Patti Smith

It was the Joey Lewis story.

And Joey Lewis was a singer that got in trouble with the mob and got his throat cut and he wound up a comedian.

I don't know if you remember that.

Yeah, it's the movie that All the Way comes from.

Yeah, that's right.

The last scene of it, Frank Sinatra's walking alone down a dark street with a lantern.

There's a lantern-lit street and he's sort of philosophically talking to himself in a pane of glass and he slings his coat

over his shoulder and, you know, philosophically walks into the city sunset.

But I always thought it was cool the way he slung his coat over his shoulder.

So that was the only, there was only a couple of photographs in that particular shooting like that, but that was the one Robert picked, the Frank Sinatra shot.

The Joker is Wild, I think is what it's called.

Yeah, that's it.

The Joker is Wild.

Appropriate title.

You met Robert Mapplethorpe in 1967 when you were 20.

Do I have that right?

Yes.

How did you meet?

Well, we met in Brooklyn.

I was around Pratt Institute of Art where he went to school.