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The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Introducing “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace”
Hi there, it's Nicole Wallace from MSNBC, the host of Deadline White House. I'm excited to tell you about my new podcast adventure, The Best People with Nicole Wallace. Now, what is The Best People? Well, it's an invitation inside my shortlist of some of the smartest, funniest, wisest, and most creative people I've encountered.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Introducing “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace”
The Best People with Nicole Wallace, a new original podcast from MSNBC. The first two episodes drop Monday, June 2nd. Subscribe to MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts for early access and ad-free listening to each episode, plus bonus content.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Introducing “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace”
personally, professionally, as a journalist, as a mom, as an American, and sometimes just as a super fan. The best people help me understand what's actually happening in this crazy world. They inspire me. They make me laugh. They tell the truth. They give the best advice. Now I'm sharing the power of those conversations with all of you. So who are the best people?
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Introducing “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace”
Well, the best people are some of the most accomplished, influential people out there. From Kara Swisher. Are they the best people? Well, you are. Okay, all right.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Introducing “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace”
Sarah Jessica Parker. They'll often say, hey, Carrie. You know, they'll call me Carrie, and that's all right, too.
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Introducing “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace”
And Jeff Daniels. What was the most out-of-body role for you?
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Introducing “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace”
This podcast is a chance to hear them and see them the way I do. And what you hear just might surprise you. So gather up some of the very best people in your own life and listen to the best people in mine.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
And I feel like for me, you're the person that got my head back in the game and reminded me not just why we're doing this, but that we're not doing it alone. We have you.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Mm-hmm.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
I miss you on every night. And like a lot of people, I love your coverage of the protests. And I mean, I think I said this to you privately. We'll never know who watched your show and saw people in the next town doing it and so went out and did it in her town and brought her kids, right? I mean, it's the whole reason to be, you know, Y2 Podcast.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Like, people need to feel connected to you and to hear... the longer thoughts, I think, without the commercial breaks. And I wonder how you feel your coverage of the protests is part of that circuit of people feeling like they're doing something that they're doing in the next town and the next town and the next town and the next.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
So I think, right, like Insanity's doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. So I tried to really critically examine what I'd been doing and think about what I could do differently. I really, really did. I also thought, I mean, I'm very inspired by... You're looking at the country.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Like, I think that as an ex-Republican who wanted to sort of mollusk myself onto a different party to solve all the problems like that's like, I think we're in almost a post-political party moment. It is the people are going to decide. We're going to have to decide what world we want for our kids and for the next generation. And so I know a lot of Trump voters.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
You had me at dilly-dally. Hi, everyone. It's Nicole Wallace. You may know me from Deadline White House. This is our new podcast called The Best People. Rachel Maddow is our North Star here at MSNBC. She also happens to be as funny and smart and supportive off camera as she is on. So for this episode of The Best People, we dig into the news, shirtless Vladimir Putin, and all sorts of other things.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
I live – I have a politically divided family. And I never really bought that it was the price of eggs. Like I really – you know, me thinks it's more than the price of eggs. But let's see. But I – was fixated ahead of the election on the public ambivalence of the titans of business, the kinds of people that our colleague Steph Rule, you know, can get on the phone easily.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
I don't know those people, but I brushed up against some of them when I was in politics, and I was... I was disgusted and fixated on their sort of sitting it out. And I felt angry at people with all this power and people who Trump still cared about, right? Like Trump revealed himself to really not give a shit about the press this time, which is kind of fascinating.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
You know, in terms of a funnel, the thing that affects everyone is I think it's sort of the state of the federal government. And I've done a ton on Doge, on USAID. I mean, I know having worked for a Republican president that the people inside the federal government are desperate for the federal government to be more efficient. You want to find the efficiency hawks? You know where they are?
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
They're the goddamn federal workers themselves. They hate that they have to, like, put everything in writing because their computers aren't up to it. I mean, the people who most want the federal government to be more efficient are the federal workers.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
So I always knew that, like, that was bullshit and that that was like a pretext for doing something sinister because there's no friction between the federal workforce and efficiency. They want it to. Right. But the other thing is the economy. And so I have always looked at economic journalism as like this thing so exotic to me. I don't understand it. I don't know who the people are.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
I would be embarrassed. You know, I'd be more comfortable like interviewing LeBron James and Steve Leisman. Like I know more about what LeBron does than Steve. But I decided like I am going to have to do this thing because the economy, I am told – by, you know, our colleague Steve Kornacki and others, like this is what decided the election.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
And it turns out the people who are going to be the most humiliated by Donald Trump 2.0 are the people who voted for him for the price of eggs. The people he is screwing over the most royally are the men in the manosphere who associated their buying power with our politics.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
The people who are going to be most emasculated are the men in the manosphere who felt like Joe Biden's economy didn't make them feel big enough or good enough. Because they're the people who aren't going to be able to pick up the tab at their kids' baseball tournament weekend. And that makes men and women feel like shit.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
And the fact that he's lied to a new segment of civic society, the economy, he lied to the markets, he lied to the businesses, he lied to the economy voters, is to me tragic. And so on brand and just brings more people into the boat rowing toward truth and democracy.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
So I've covered how Trump's lies and his tariff war have impacted business and the economy and prices in a way that I was really never that interested in the first term. I think part of why he got reelected is people were like, well, I may not like anything he does, but man, my savings will go up or my salary will go up. And it's sad to see all those voters humiliated and harmed.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
But it to me does feel like a new part of the Trump story.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
LESLIE KENDRICK And I think we are where you think we are, right? I think we went over the cliff. And I actually think the worst brand in three years for a law firm trying to recruit – I mean, all the law firms are going to want the smartest law students, right? Like, that's not going to change. Where are the smartest law students going to want to go? Are they going to want to go to a firm that –
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
did a bullshit deal on Truth Social with an autocratic leader. A handshake deal with nothing. Not even a handshake. Like a truth, like a post on a medium that may not even exist. Like there might not even, where would you even search the archives in 15 years?
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Like, I know Boris, like, he's got to be like, how'd this happen to me? Like, I'm the guy doing the deals on True Social that brought America's legal profession to its knees.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Like, it's so bananas. So, like, I don't think that we're going to be saved by Brad Karp. But I do think that the freshman law students at Columbia and Harvard, I mean, whatever the best laws, I think they're going to solve it for us when they graduate and Brad Karp's like, come work for us. And they're like, hell no. Yeah. I'm going to go work for Perkins Coie who didn't fold like a cheap tent.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
And I think that the brands that survive and the brands that thrive being associated with democracy has to become part of it.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
I don't know. I mean, I think I think that's up to them. I think if their bet is that capitalism thrives in an autocracy, like we should go on a field trip. Like where? Yeah. Where does that happen? And like, here's the other thing that I feel like you had to be a political reporter to explain to a business leader. Like, so you do everything. It's like the law firms.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
You do everything Trump wants and you think you're safe. When does appeasement work? Point to a time in human history when appeasement has worked for a country, for a political party, for a person, for an institution. And if you can, then knock yourself out. Appease Boris all you want. But there's no example of it working.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
And the reason it doesn't work is because I don't even think Trump likes the appeasers. I think he thinks they're weak.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Oh, Marco Rubio is unbelievable.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
And the fact that he's up there fighting for things that he's championed against is so – I mean, and look, he's almost a character from Ultra, right? I mean, like he's almost like a character from like how fascism happens, right? It's not just – The wannabe strong space man, or strong man, one word, it's the Marco Rubio's.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
And like, I wonder how you see him with all of your sort of study of history.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
You liked the COVID lockdowns. I'm the only person who was like, it's over? You were happy when you got it again. You're like, I'll see you guys in 10 days.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
I feel like the work you did of showing the country in this moment was so, it's just so awesome to see that like we're all in the canyon together. Like because Trump did all the things he said he was going to do and because, you know, for the record, like he's not mad when you describe him as autocratic. I mean, it's not a, there have been friction points, right?
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
To keep J.D. Vance on his toes, yeah. Oh, God.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
I mean, I would add Ukraine to it, like that he sat in there while Trump ambushed and humiliated President Zelensky. When Rubio wasn't just someone who McConnell had to bring along on like Ukraine aid, he was a champion for Zelensky. I mean, what they did to Zelensky is, you know, literally switch sides in the middle of a war. I don't know that the country...
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
ever recovers from that damage that they've done.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Like he didn't like media coverage of the investigations into his campaign's ties to Russia. But I, I'm not aware of him calling to complain about describing his policies, tactics, and temperament as autocratic. There's something more out in the open this time.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Next up for us, we'll have much more of my conversation with my dear friend and colleague, Rachel Maddow. Stay right here. I mean, so I've watched Trump sort of break up with Netanyahu, and it's just put a question mark over the Trump-Putin relationship, which seems different and deeper and so reflexive.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Like, it's clear that the Netanyahu relationship was good for Trump when he thought Netanyahu was more Trumpy. And I wonder about the Putin-Trump relationship. One, if Trump knows... that the world is laughing at Trump, that Putin isn't even trying. Like, Putin used to flatter him. He's now publicly humiliating him, as you said. I wonder, I mean, like, who's going to tell Trump? Like, Rubio won't.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Maybe Vance would to weaken Rubio to say the word. I mean, I don't know how Trump finds out that on Russian state TV they're laughing at Trump. And that in the American media.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Correct. And I wonder, like, one, how hermetically sealed is Trump's information flow? Like the PDB has been moved over to Tulsi Gabbard's office. They're trying to fire the people who work for Trump and Ratcliffe and Tulsi Gabbard and wrote The Real Intelligence about Venezuela's tide to trend. Right. Like, I wonder if Trump knows that Putin's laughing at him is what I'm trying to say.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
I mean, it's like so cartoonish.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
And politically unsustainable. Like it fuels the people protesting. It fuels the opposition politicians. I mean, I think one of the things from Ultra and from Prequel is that when the judiciary ends up with too much in its... It's not made to hold up a democracy, right? Like the judiciary isn't there to fight fascism. The judiciary is there to enforce the rule of law.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
But fascistic movements also try to annihilate fascism. the rule of law. And I wonder, you know, I've covered the judges and I've always been careful to say they're not pushing back against Trump. They're simply articulating that which is illegal.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
But I think he thinks it means like strong space man. I don't think like I think in the beginning when he was calling Orbot a strong man, he meant like he's a man with, you know, muscles. Like I don't think I think if he understands that word now in the context of like autocracy, it's been explained to him.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
And so in a court of law, when they have done something of questionable legality, they are pressing the government to answer the questions about that which may or may not be legal. That's it. And it feels like pushback because for a while in terms of sort of
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
He heard us talking about his favorite gals in the U.S. Vladimir, stop that. Take your shirt off, Vlad. We've both broadcast that shirtless picture on the horse.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
My fave.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
I'm just saying, like, Jesus. He'd have it no other way, right?
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no one who thinks he should ignore the Supreme Court.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
No one. Like maybe Stephen Miller and his family.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
How much of your day can you spend thinking about all that? Like, do you have to say, like, you've seen around the corners of this. I mean, you were nominated for an Emmy for the Lev doc, right? Like, you know the Trump story inside and out. You know the history of fascistic movements in our country inside and out.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
He likes it either way.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Like, there's just stuff that you see coming that you know what's going to happen next. Like, is there a point in your day where you're like, OK, I can't look back and I can't look at right now. I have to go fishing.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Yeah.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
I like everything about that.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
I've had to do my own makeup. And it's like I remember my son and my husband were like, is the beige stuff supposed to show? And I was like, no, no. Can you see the beige stuff? My son and my husband were like, maybe go rub in the beige. We're not good at that.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Yes.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Data, right. You change the statistics, you change the numbers and people don't. It's happening. Vin Gupta, who we get to work with, sent me a note today about how people are threatened by diseases and dying of diseases. And because of the changes in the numbers at CDC, we won't know. Mm-hmm.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
And you did that story very early in the 100 days. Yeah.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
This is not contested ground. That's what I meant. I found the first term, and a lot of what he was doing was unearthed by investigative journalists who usually did their first TV interviews on your show and on our shows. And that felt... Not subversive, but it felt sort of illicit and like the information was being unearthed. Teased out, yeah. Correct.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Right.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
I mean, you and I talked a lot, right? You went out and did 100 days and I was like, what should I do? Right. So this is sort of hatched in those conversations that we had. And no one is cynical and no one is checked out. And I think that the right does a number on people with disabilities. platforms feeling like, well, no one wants to hear from me. And it's no one wants to be told what to do.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
But I think everyone wants to be connected to other people who see the survival of our democracy as the vital first, second and third mission of our time. Right. Like, what do we want to leave behind? And I keep thinking of your interview with Liz Cheney, where she's like, I want to come back. Right. We don't fight with you about taxes. But right now we have to save our economy.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
And I think about that interview and I think about this moment and I think about the first time I met you was after I'd written my first novel. And it was after Sarah Palin had thrown me under the bus and I sort of realized that everything I'd been a part of – Not everything, but a lot of what I've been a part of wasn't what I thought it was.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
And this thing that you're describing about Trump voters, like people say, how does it end? It ends when there's space given for people to say, yeah, I thought I liked what he was doing, but it was a lie. And I decided at the end of the day, I want to pass a democracy on because in an autocracy, you know, children that are sick don't have the benefit of science.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
I mean, pediatric cancer research is what they cut. And I feel like I haven't even started to figure out how to tell those stories. But your sort of curiosity and faith in what you're seeing in the country, I think, has totally infected the whole network and all of your peers. And it's so important.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
I mean, I've said this to you, you know, without a camera on, but at a time when everyone was sort of looking to who's going to sort of hold the flashlight. Like, I don't even know that we're going to get out of this moment, right? We're over the cliff and we'll see what happens. This is where we are. who's going to hold the flashlight?
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
And so the way, not just holding the flashlight, but like everyone you shine it on, it's everything. Well, you too, my dear.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Really? You had me at Dilly Dally and then you sort of woke me back up with the fashion. Like I'm born to Dilly.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Everything is out in the open, like including what they were trying to do to their own intelligence agencies to fabricate a legal rationale for mass deportations without due process. And I mean, the grifting ahead of... You know, I did a lot of foreign trips with Bush, and, like, the advance trips never included, like, hotel deals on the 1,000th floor of hotels in Abu Dhabi.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
I said that to one of our bosses. She called to check in, and I said, I'm just going to wring the heck out of the First Amendment as long as we have it. I'm good. I'm good. I'm going to rock this free press as long as we've got one. Like, yeah, let's do this. But it does feel more precious when threatened.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Like, they were like, where's a nice venue to go visit some kids for Mrs. Bush? Like, it's all out in the open.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
This is The Best People with Nicole Wallace. And this is my dear friend, Rachel Maddow. So, Rachel, thank you for doing this. I know you're more than very, very, very busy, but you are truly, I don't know why I feel I'm about to get weepy, but you're not just one of the best people in my life. You're one of my closest friends in this world.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Like, even if it's wildly successful, it's not a billionaire truck dealership.
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Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Well, I also think if you go to the most fundamental thing that they're doing, they're moving human beings.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Yeah.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
And I think if you pump the brakes right there, what the public thinks it's for is deporting back to home countries people who are adjudicated criminals. New York Times-Siena's got like 87% of people that are for that. That's largely what Obama did. That is not where any of the time and energy has been spent.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
And so all of the movement of human beings to countries from which they are not, for crimes that they can't prove were committed, for people that it's not even clear they presented evidence to anyone. I mean, I just find it all so surreal. I find the fact that everyone seems... It doesn't feel like a partisan statement to say due process is a thing we're still for.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
And I, like you, have driven by some of the protests on some of the big weekend protest days. And to see people holding up the signs for due process, like, made my, you know, democracy-worried heart sing. But the other piece of it is the movement of humans. Like, I'm not sure that we should be moving humans anywhere.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
I'm not sure that any part of our politics ever contemplated anything other than deporting adjudicated criminals back to their home countries.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
You are everyone's TV friend, but I feel like you get to be my real world friend. And I have to say, the last six months, I know where I was when I called you in all my scary moments. There's a part on my run where I run with the baby, and I would have to run far enough that she'd be asleep, but I would pull off in this spot.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Well, I think, I mean, to the people enjoying the other things they're doing, I think the people that voted for him because they thought they would understand the other things that he was doing made a bad bet on the economy. And I mean, I'm I'm so, you know, like a moth to the flame. to the extraordinary abuse of power of moving humans around.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
I mean, I really, the first story I read about the group of young men sent to Venezuela has just stuck in my gut and not in an everyday sense. I mean, the idea that an innocent, you know, gay hairdresser is sitting there still, it's been two months. I mean, how is he? You know, is he okay? Is he alive? Has he had a phone call? Did he do anything wrong? No one's ever... So to me, those stories...
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
just sort of wrought my faith in humanity. That he did this and that people are okay with it, I mean, just makes me... Question everything.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Yeah.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Who knew him? Who knew Chuck? I mean, so he's like not some, you know, Democratic activist.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Who's his constituent? He's his constituent. You got to get that guy back from El Salvador. Chuck, what are you doing? Chuck, I'm pissed. Bring him back.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
And as the election was coming to an end, and the stories that we covered became so real, and in my scary moments, you were my lifeline and the person that I've always called. And I feel now like we're doing the actual work and I feel a little less scared. Yeah. But I wonder how you're feeling.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
Yeah.
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
I feel like you had the most clarity of our table family, you know, Chris, me, you know, our group of where the country was, sort of the foul mood democracies were in post-COVID. And so in a lot of ways, you saw this coming. Maybe you and Chris, I feel like, maybe saw this as a really distinct possibility. So in terms of what you were sort of prepared for going into November this
The Best People with Nicolle Wallace
Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
what you covered, sort of the body of work of 100 days. You've done, what, five live events. What do you hear in what's happening right now that makes you feel good?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
It was a genuinely beautiful moment. The beauty of that child is the tragedy of the Trump presidency. Because we don't know how he survived pediatric cancer, but it is likely he benefited from some sort of cancer research. And it is a fact that Trump has slashed cancer research. I hope he lives. the life he wants to live. He wants to be a cop. He knows what he wants to do.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And maybe when you have childhood cancer, that crystallizes for you. And I hope he has a long life as a law enforcement officer. But I hope he never has to defend the United States Capitol against Donald Trump's supporters. And if he does, I hope he isn't one of the six who loses his life to suicide.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui | Ep. 1019
And I hope he isn't one who has to testify against the people who carried out acts of seditious conspiracy and then live to see Donald Trump pardon those people.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Introducing “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace”
Hi there, it's Nicole Wallace from MSNBC, the host of Deadline White House. I'm excited to tell you about my new podcast adventure, The Best People with Nicole Wallace. Now, what is The Best People? Well, it's an invitation inside my shortlist of some of the smartest, funniest, wisest, and most creative people I've encountered.
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Introducing “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace”
personally, professionally, as a journalist, as a mom, as an American, and sometimes just as a super fan. The best people help me understand what's actually happening in this crazy world. They inspire me. They make me laugh. They tell the truth. They give the best advice. Now I'm sharing the power of those conversations with all of you. So who are the best people?
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Introducing “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace”
Well, the best people are some of the most accomplished, influential people out there. From Kara Swisher. Are they the best people? Well, you are. Okay, all right.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Introducing “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace”
Sarah Jessica Parker. They'll often say, hey, Carrie. You know, they'll call me Carrie, and that's all right, too.
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Introducing “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace”
And Jeff Daniels. What was the most out-of-body role for you?
The Rachel Maddow Show
Introducing “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace”
This podcast is a chance to hear them and see them the way I do. And what you hear just might surprise you. So gather up some of the very best people in your own life and listen to the best people in mine.
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Special Preview of “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace”
Does it change your industry at all when like the real world is so batshit crazy? Does it make people think like, I mean, you know, like, oh, this couldn't happen when the real world keeps defying that frame of this couldn't happen? Yeah.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Special Preview of “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace”
Hi everybody, it's Nicole Wallace. I'm excited to tell you about my new podcast, The Best People with Nicole Wallace. What is The Best People? Well, it's an invitation inside my shortlist of the smartest, funniest, wisest, most creative people I've been blessed to encounter. either personally or professionally, as a journalist, as a mom, sometimes just as a fan. The best people inspire me.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Special Preview of “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace”
They make me laugh. They tell the truth. They give the best advice. Now I'm sharing the power of those conversations with all of you. The best people are some of the most accomplished and accessible people out there. From Jason Bateman to Kara Swisher, Rachel Maddow to Sarah Jessica Parker, Doc Rivers and Jeff Daniels. This podcast is a chance for you to hear them and see them the way I do.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Special Preview of “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace”
And what you hear might surprise you. So follow the best people with Nicole Wallace. The first two episodes are available right now and new episodes drop on Mondays. Stay here to listen to a special preview of the first episode with Jason Bateman. where we talk about how he got into podcasting with his show Smartless, his latest projects, and his take on the current political mayhem.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Special Preview of “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace”
You can also subscribe to MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts for early access, ad-free listening, and bonus content. I think that what makes the Trump story so amazing is nobody knows what's going to happen next. You know, I mean, the people in his cabinet don't seem to know what's happening next. You know, it's crazy.