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The Joe Budden Podcast

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Magazine Dreams?

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Because of the movie that he's in and his career is kind of being revived?

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Yeah, I agree with you. Who's rumor to have anonymously just put out there?

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So do you think that it's part of the rumor that he was extraordinarily difficult to work with? Like that was a pervasive, pervasive, pervasive rumor. But I'm always, you know, kind of like skeptical about that, oh, difficulty to work with kind of thing because... There's other factors that play into it as to why somebody might want to carry on with that narrative.

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And people process that as audacity.

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They get the worst angle.

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But I mean, we went through the entire trial process, and he was found guilty. Yeah. Like on a couple of the charges. So like related to being the aggressor. So it's kind of like, well, what?

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Yeah, well, then the timing is suspicious based on the fact that this movie, Machine Dreams, was everybody. It was like a really big deal at Sundance like a couple of years ago. And then everybody like Sony dropped it and it was like, OK, it's never going to fucking come out. And now he's had like this resurgence and they're like, OK, we're going to put the movie out.

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And now here we are again discussing. We'll see what happens.

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Okay, let's see.

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What the aggressed action was.

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Because language matters.

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And he used those words specifically.

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Mel, what's up?

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I'm ready.

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I really like that track that you just played, by the way. Mine is called Obsessed. Zandros and Lemmy.

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Like, literally, when I say you're so repugnant, the word repugnant finds you repugnant kind of thing. Like, that's my intention.

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That's fucking insane.

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Can I be mad for you?

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How much would it cost to pay for a doctorate?

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She actually went to school.

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Certificates.

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You could probably get an honorary degree. They probably would.

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Your intent is to... Sometimes I feel it necessary to do so, yes.

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I'm fantastic.

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Did you ask a little bit?

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Okay, all right, all right.

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St. Patrick's Day weekend.

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Good for her. Well, yeah. Forgiveness.

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And so one of the good examples was Dionne Warwick and Luther Banders. I brought that up, yeah.

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What have you been listening to?

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Because she seemed to be very moved by it.

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Oh, no, then we went off the reservation.

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Rumored to be dating.

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I mean, it might not be appropriate now.

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No, because who would? Right?

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Okay, so wait. One of them shits. Why do you say that she threw shade? Did she sing?

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Luther bodied it, bro.

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He did, but they also had a very strong personal relationship. Right. Like they did. So this was like seeing her like little mentee. Rise to fame.

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No, he didn't say doctorate.

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Yeah, I know. It's okay, though.

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Yeah, she's got the register and the range.

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Yeah, that's where the conversation went.

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Good choice. Good choice. You know that there was a study done that black female, black women doctors.

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No, but you never know.

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Yes, exactly. A peer-reviewed study might I add. Ma'am, please, ma'am. Sorry. Ma'am, please.

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Oh, okay.

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Well, wait, what?

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But wait, is Janet.

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Is Janet considered higher by your standards because of the family that she's attached to?

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But not only that, you don't know what kind of impact that person's legacy in music had on you. Like, it it may not have the same impact on you that it would have on Mark. That's where the conversation was.

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But then we also morphed.

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But then the conversation morphed into who had an effect on you.

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Go ahead, Mel.

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Then the conversation morphed into whose death would or has had an effect on you that may not have had the same effect on other people.

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For me, I'll give you two of mine. Anthony Bourdain and Philip Seymour Hoffman. When I saw that they passed away, I felt like, really?

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That's why I'm talking about impact. It may not have had the same impact on you that him and his career had on me.

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To me, he's like upper echelon of like storytelling and just presence and intellect and all the things. Philip Seymour Hoffman was one of my like top three actors of all time. So I was very sad that I was never- Is he black?

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Why you gotta be, why you gotta be so racist?

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Okay, let me ask, okay, okay, all right, wait. How many of us, how many of us were devastated?

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How many of us were devastated when we heard Robin Williams died? Okay, thank you.

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Thank you.

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Okay, maybe I'm putting... That's what I'm saying.

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It's the tragedy.

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He died of a drug overdose because he had the same issues that Robin Williams had and the same issues that Anthony Bourdain had. So he didn't self-transition. Accidentally. It's all tragic. That's the point is it's all tragic. These are people that you- Did you cry?

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It bothered me. It was really like... Like, were you in the bed like... No, I could move on with my fucking life.

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Okay, yo, you guys know how I feel about actors. Y'all know how I feel about actors. Shut the fuck up, okay? You know... You guys keep that shit up, okay?

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And when Prince and Michael Jackson passed away, I was like, I had a very inconsolable day.

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But sometimes it's a circumstance.

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In the will. That's what he's working towards.

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I'm in my job top. Cruising the streets. I get it, but maybe we did have it wrong.

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So wait, what was it? What do you say it was?

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Working out at Bally's.

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Drop the meat?

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I am a product of my environment.

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He is because you're not hearing the .

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But hard C, hard R, it's not really there. He'd have to be like, who's in the streets?

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When you're getting a camera shoved up your ass, I feel like you might not want her to be fine, right?

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Because look at the next lyrics right after that. Well, if you don't sing along with it...

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I mean, he's collecting.

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Thank you.

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All right, there we go. We heard it.

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How do you mix up and then with oo-wee?

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Sorry, I think that's why I got fucking hired. But anyways, go off.

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I definitely don't have a penis.

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Getting beat up?

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Or the aggressor?

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I thought he was talking about the outcome. The outcome of the entire situation.

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The girl that got beat up is the one who ransacked the house.

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It makes sense now.

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Do a box press.

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No, I was like, do a box breath. You'll be fine. A who now? A what? A box breath, like Navy SEALs.

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In the right circumstances, yep. Absolutely. Look at Flip.

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I've never met anybody else that's watched that movie.

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Before the devil knows you're dead. Always some sick shit.

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Nelson Mandela is good.

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The daily obituaries.

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Who was responsible for putting together the montage?

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Why'd you have your hand up?

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I feel like you might know the history of why we have open cast.

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I mean, I'm just saying, like, in order to, like, okay, fine, fine, fine. I'll back away. Fine. I'll back away.

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I've always thought that open caskets were really fucking creepy.

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It's creepy for everybody.

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medical assistance in dying.

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It's only... No, it's... I know it's Sophie.

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It's only for terminal patients.

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If you have like two to three weeks left and the quality of your life is so, you know, is just, it's non-existent, then that's a choice.

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You never really know. I'm going to back out of this conversation.

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You should respect that person's wishes.

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What's that face for, Flip?

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Keeping them alive when they want to go.

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So why can't you just go now?

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Now you got another room to do.

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With my fucking aunt-in-law passing away? Go now. Then go. Go now.

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Go now. Get up and go now.

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Since it's so important to you, drop everything and go now.

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You're always a team player.

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And also MAID is a very, it's a lengthy process. You have to get asked a lot of questions online. They really do like a cognitive and psychological testing to make sure that you are of sound mind making this decision. They ask you in front of people. They ask you alone. Are you being coerced into this decision?

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Whoever is the executor of your will cannot be a witness because that's a conflict of interest. It's a lengthy process.

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No DNR.

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I got it.

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Plaintiff, one of the most successful recording artists of all time, lost a rap battle that he provoked and in which he willingly participated, UMG argued in a motion to dismiss. Instead of accepting the loss like the unbothered rap artist he often claims to be... He has sued his own record label in a misguided attempt to salve his wounds. Who wrote this?

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The label said, Not Like Us cannot form the bias of a defamation claim because Lamar's lyrics are protected as non-actionable opinion. and rhetoric hyperbole. This is especially true in the context of a rap battle, UMG added, where diss tracks are often built around outrageous insults.

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UMG noted that this type of hyperbole was present in the nine diss tracks Drake and Lamar collectively released during their 2024 rap battle, and that Drake encouraged the feud by taunting Lamar to respond to his songs and lodge damning insults of his own, including accusing Lamar of domestic abuse on the track Family Matters. So that's... He told them.

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Why'd you have your hand up?

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Hey, listen.

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Sometimes you become a product of your environment. So, you know.

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That was a little complimentary. I don't know if it was.

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But give me a hug has Drake on it.

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Like if he loses?

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Is there a countersuit?

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I've heard the same.

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No. We talked about that.

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Well, we talked about jury selection and just juries being committed to finding reasonable doubt.

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Patsy? Like he didn't do it.

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So he was on his way to do that actual thing, but somebody beat him to it and knew he was going to do it kind of thing?

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A cog in the wheel. Got it. Mm-hmm.

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I don't know about that.

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Well, it was a 3D gun, so it's not a traceable weapon. It has no serial number or anything. So what would be the harm? It's like the gun doesn't really exist. All right.

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But actually, it's not oxymoronic.

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So they said.

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I would love to be there for like the voir dire process of Luigi's trial.

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Yes. Yes, I would love to be a juror.

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What's his name? Isn't that funny that we don't know the name of the guy who tried to... Thomas Matthew Crooks.

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There was snipers everywhere, but yet they didn't see this kid with a shotgun.

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What would I juror?

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I would be there to listen to all of the evidence to make my decision objectively.

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Not motherfucking guilty.

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All right. Free him.

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Yeah. It has nothing to do with the way he looks.

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Huh? Yes.

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Canada, don't y'all get health care?

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I haven't lived in Canada for almost 25 years. So I'm not a taxpaying citizen, so therefore I do not get the universal health care that the citizens of Canada get.

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Who's Jody Meeks?

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I wasn't invested in that shit. I didn't give a fuck.

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Wait, hold on. Is it children or students? Students of any age? So what if I make less than $200,000 a year? Can I go to Harvard for free?

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That's one night? No, no, two nights.

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All right, cool. Handsomely.

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On her part?

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Meaning she signed the contract, didn't read it through, and this is the outcome.

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But doesn't almost every single artist say that?

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Mm-hmm.

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And them selling you a lemon.

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That's yours.

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And they were just on tour together? No, they were hanging out. Oh, they were hanging out. Okay.

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What's the plan? To bring visibility where?

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What's he saying in defense? Oh, God. Okay, all right, never mind. All right, all right, fine, fine, fine, fine.

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Thank you for summing it up.

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But wait, what kind of phone was he talking to him on?

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The one where they say, this call is being recorded.

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How do we hear any kind of calls? The calls on fucking Dateline, the calls on whatever blog. We hear them because they're recorded. So him thinking that this isn't going to go anywhere, him ditty talking to Kanye seems a little preposterous to me.

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It could be taken a couple of different ways.

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No, we're talking about now.

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No, he wasn't.

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Go ahead.

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Go ahead.

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I didn't even say nothing to Mel just now. You didn't.

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Go ahead.

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You guys just really, really, it's tasteless as fuck. Stop talking about that shit. It is not a light matter. Don't do it. What? Step the fuck away from it. What are you talking about? The maid shit. Don't mention it. Don't talk about it. If you cannot be respectful about it, leave it alone.

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Okay, okay, yeah, you're right. But when it comes to something like that.

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You're still optimistic. Yes, for so many things.

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I wouldn't necessarily say that you're depressed. Oh, no, wait, wait. Oh, sorry, go ahead.

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I feel like what you're describing now in present terms is more... melancholy and nostalgia. Like kind of like a blend of the two, especially the nostalgic part.

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That's just, that's regret.

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And this is around the age that nostalgia really kind of like starts to set in.

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Like really starts to set in.

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You see the worst of us. That's not the depressing part. That's not it. Because that's... I don't know if I'm speaking for you.

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Right. Okay.

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No, I was just going to say, like, the Dateline stuff is more outlier stuff. You know what I'm saying? Whereas the news, like... That's just the barrage of bad news and catastrophic news. Every fucking day we've got like breaking news and just like, oh God, what the fuck else is going to happen? Like we're all being kind of like worn down.

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A thousand percent.

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Yo, I'm reading the lyrics.

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Read the book.

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People have definitely thought about that.

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Why didn't you?

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That's unfortunate.

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Why is it a great place?

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Oh, okay.

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Maybe not courtside.

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I absolutely did. Because sometimes you got to double up on it. Sometimes you got to double up on redundancy.

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Yeah, I'm thinking to myself right now, every time I've thrown up, I'm like, I know it's coming, so I would've ran.

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When I was like 11 or 12. Not that.

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No, stop.

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You're talking about bulimia.

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No, I personally do not know bulimics. I personally do not know bulimics. But it's something that people hide, so maybe I do, and I just don't know, and they've never told me.

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I am not bulimic.

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I'm about sick of y'all motherfuckers and your stupid fucking dad.

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I'm so glad I never fucking threw up here.

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Just look at the light.

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Yeah, with the squatty potty.

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I told Ice who the person was. I was like, he can't. Nobody in here would be like that.

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He said, yo, I know how you met the girl through Michael Paul. It had to be you.

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What? That was crazy. What?

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I'm going to be replaying this shit in my mind. I need to figure out how he did it. I'm going to watch and analyze this video like I'm an NFL quarterback.

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You New York niggas don't know nothing about that. We got backyards up here. Sorry, Freeze.

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I ain't gonna lie. You ain't lying. I can't get eight. Oh, fuck. That's too much for you?

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You seen the whole thing? Okay, all right.

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Dead or alive. Dead or alive. Anybody dead or alive. At the top of that nigga's mind was Chris.

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Phenomenal. Yo, y'all hold it down, man.

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What you talking about, nigga? Hands. I was trying to learn that dance. That little shit they was doing.

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Let's do a word count with Mouse Jones. Yeah, if I can't talk about it, I can talk about it.

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I'm going to let them have it.

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You already hot? I ain't.

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And what? I'm here. Walked in there and what? I'm here.

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Power to comments. Cool. We Ice friends. We love Ice. Ice don't take jokes well from us.

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But you get my point. Yo, Ice knows that we love Ice. I've been laying it on him. We'll go to war with Ice. So now, if he can't take a joke good from us, imagine what strangers might do, in theory, to Ice when he re-initiates. You know what I'm saying? Now, let me give you the opposite side of that.

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You get to that level of thicker skin that she may not have right now at this point in her career.

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Y'all still telling me X. If things have changed, let me know things have changed. So now that I can move around, y'all telling me X and I see Y. But moving Y. I see Y. That's the point I was making with the topics.

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I'ma do what you say. If you don't want Shorty in here, she don't have to be in here. Your answer.

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So that's what they said.

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Because now Shorty's greatness going to be here with you now.

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So why we ain't get our days off, Akeem?

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Y'all come back in shape.

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And I don't want to keep breaking the pit wall, but I did not think that Mark was going to be- What do that got to do with everybody in here getting their respective day off per week?

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Try to turn everything to a joke. Charlamagne kept trying to joke them out. That's producing.

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I ain't gonna hold you. It did make me understand you a little bit more. No, that's some shit Joe would've did. Without being in the situation? Yes. It made me understand you a little bit more.

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Lace them up, nigga. We can prove this. I'm going to crack your fucking head.

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Not at the niggas you want to shoot at.

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You said you, they not your peer. So come in here and go on a crusade against, call her daddy.

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You got no choice, my nigga. For what? Dog, I came in this bitch today with four waters. That shit almost killed me outside. Now I'm going to put them in my bag.

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That nigga said, yo, I want to do what Brandon did. If you want to do what Brandon did, nigga, pick up a ball. No, pick up a gun.

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We talking about content space.

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They probably laugh over this shit. They gonna laugh, nigga.

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Put some clothes on, you freaky ass boy.

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And you elected to handle it like X. Now you can't come and complain about how we handle it like X because that was a decision that you said.

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You made this scenario up.

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Yeah, you didn't do it right.

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Us. Yeah, you're right, y'all. You're right. Niggas turn everything into some bullshit. I heard the clip. Yo, yeah, word. You went to LA? Oh, word. Oh, you went for the surgery, huh? We looked up.

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She's like, look, it's right there. You're like, where? I know the name of it. The gestation sack. The gestation sack.

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Oh, that was an interview that you did in 2019. Let me put that with the interview you did in 2022. Let me put this with a different nigga's interview in 2023.

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I want to hear this. Please. I bought the mullein leaf for Joe. For Joe. And only Joe. Yeah. Okay.

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Wouldn't it be some more fire from that dude? Nothing.

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Mom's spaghetti. My baby ain't got no spaghetti, nigga. Let this shit go. Fuck you.

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Yo, I ain't spoke to dude. But that was an easy one. I don't think it was that hard neither. If he picked mine. Well, you was wrong. How much history you got with Joe?

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No. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

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I know that much. Joe, how about this?

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I ain't fucking with them.

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Oh, yeah. She kicking him out. You get quick. You get him and have a worship.