Matthew McConaughey

It was not.

And I just remember thinking, there's an example, not an ideal, but if you were for gay marriage, that's not an ideal example, but there's an example of talk about

An evolution or adaptability to.

What do you think about that?

Because we're always talking and thinking about how you make the world a better place.

Talk about leadership.

Talk about our CEOs.

You talk about politicians.

But if you go back to the root, the beginning seems to me to be parenting.

Secondly, what if – what could be done –

To get more fathers to stay around.

More mothers do than the fathers.

A lot of fathers are out early.

And what could be done if more marriages, if we took another step to salvage our marriage instead of, ah, smell the heat, getting out.

Yeah, there's a lot of that.

What could that do?

Do you think that would be a way forward?

I have a hunch that it is.

I don't know what to do about it except –

prop up the reverence for parenthood, prop up the reverence for marriage to where it's more important to us than it is.