Margaret Kiljoy

Yeah, fair enough. There's other versions that are... Yeah, okay.

Yeah, fair enough. There's other versions that are... Yeah, okay.

Yeah, fair enough. There's other versions that are... Yeah, okay.

No, no, but you're right. And it's like, it's funny. Cause it's like, in my mind, it's so hard to ring the alarm bells when all of the alarm bells are ringing and everyone's kind of ignoring alarm bells right now. I mean, I guess the answer is that we talk about it like this, but like, how do we make sure that people actually listen to the alarm bells that are happening right now?

No, no, but you're right. And it's like, it's funny. Cause it's like, in my mind, it's so hard to ring the alarm bells when all of the alarm bells are ringing and everyone's kind of ignoring alarm bells right now. I mean, I guess the answer is that we talk about it like this, but like, how do we make sure that people actually listen to the alarm bells that are happening right now?

No, no, but you're right. And it's like, it's funny. Cause it's like, in my mind, it's so hard to ring the alarm bells when all of the alarm bells are ringing and everyone's kind of ignoring alarm bells right now. I mean, I guess the answer is that we talk about it like this, but like, how do we make sure that people actually listen to the alarm bells that are happening right now?

And I think part of it is being really, unfortunately, brutally honest about what it's like to be a woman in men's prison.

And I think part of it is being really, unfortunately, brutally honest about what it's like to be a woman in men's prison.

And I think part of it is being really, unfortunately, brutally honest about what it's like to be a woman in men's prison.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, as a not-currently-in-prison trans woman, one of the reasons I think this almost happens, I mean, it happens because of cruelty is the point, but it's terrifying. You've actually experienced the thing that's terrifying. It is terrifying, the idea of going into...

I mean, as a not-currently-in-prison trans woman, one of the reasons I think this almost happens, I mean, it happens because of cruelty is the point, but it's terrifying. You've actually experienced the thing that's terrifying. It is terrifying, the idea of going into...

I mean, as a not-currently-in-prison trans woman, one of the reasons I think this almost happens, I mean, it happens because of cruelty is the point, but it's terrifying. You've actually experienced the thing that's terrifying. It is terrifying, the idea of going into...

prison in the United States, especially maximum security prison, potentially, especially men's prison, both as a man or a trans woman, I wouldn't want to be in men's prison.

prison in the United States, especially maximum security prison, potentially, especially men's prison, both as a man or a trans woman, I wouldn't want to be in men's prison.

prison in the United States, especially maximum security prison, potentially, especially men's prison, both as a man or a trans woman, I wouldn't want to be in men's prison.

Okay. It's not comparable. Okay.

Okay. It's not comparable. Okay.