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He had the capacity and the resources and the henchmen, if you will, to construct the kind of bomb that blew up Gary Triano.
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I mean, anytime you have a crime scene this large and this many witnesses, you have to follow every possible lead.
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And this, of course, sent Detective Gamber down another path of like, OK, is it somebody else who might have wanted, you know, Gary dead?
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Even though she was angry at Gary, it was sort of an anger that had dissipated. There wasn't really a reason to investigate her further.
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And so Neil McNeese did not want to be taken as a fool. And so it was said that he had put Gary on a kill list.
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And it's an unlocked van. And so when police do come and they open the van, they discover some very unusual things inside.
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and they discover something else that's sort of unusual. It's a sawed-off shotgun. I mean, fraud suspects, they're not usually violent.
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Kamala Phillips was a socialite, a beautiful blonde bombshell. She was the quintessential trophy wife.
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Pamela began to realize maybe Gary wasn't all that he was cracked up to be. Like maybe there were little cracks in this armor here. Because Gary started to let her in on some things, like he's indebted to multiple people.
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Pam's chief complaint during this entire relationship is she's not receiving enough child support from Gary and he must be hiding assets. But Ron is still really pissed off that he's not being paid for his services.
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Ron was not her type. She was used to handsome, charismatic, wealthy men, and Ron was nothing like that.
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Pamela Phillips became hysterical. Not hysterical over Gary's death, but hysterical over the fact that the premium had not been paid for the month of November.
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Pam Phillips wastes no time. As soon as she gets this $2 million life insurance proceeds, she goes out and she buys her dream mansion. And it's this home in Meadowood. It has its own ski lift. It's buttressed against the mountains. It's got these massive wooden doors. It has marble all over the floor.
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Right after the America's Most Wanted episode airs, it happens to catch the eye of a chiropractor in Florida whose patient is none other than Ron Young.
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And that's a huge break in the case because now law enforcement, America's Most Wanted, they can all descend on Florida and make the capture.
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He gives them kind of an extraordinary gift. And it's like he's opening up his treasure trove of evidence for law enforcement. And what they discover, like, is a major break in the case.
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In September of 2006, Pima County Sheriff's Department joined forces with the Aspen Police Department and surround her house and they knock on the door and they say, we have a search warrant.
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Pamela Phillips is completely surprised by this. She tells the police, yeah, my lawyer's on the way, and the detective says, you know, I have a search warrant, so they come in, and the way she describes it is like they're scattering across her marble floors like rats.
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She has just picked up where she left off. She's recreated her world over there. She's hobnobbing with the elite. She's off hunting again for a rich, eligible bachelor. In fact, has been spotted with several.
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Some of the challenges that the prosecution faced in Ron's trial was that it was a circumstantial evidence case. They didn't have any direct evidence that linked Ron Young to the bomb.
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For the prosecution, Ron Young's one statement to Andre Mims, how he blew Gary Triano up, might as well have been a confession.
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And Gary, who is so smitten, the story goes that he calls his wife up, who's on vacation in Europe with their two children, and he just announces, you know, I'm leaving you.
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Gary bought Pam a beautiful diamond ring, which he claimed was worth $250,000. They had twin jaguars. They had this beautiful home at the base of the Catalina Mountains.
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Gary is walking towards his Lincoln Town car and he's sliding into the seat and he sees a blue canvas bag on the passenger seat.
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the impact of the explosion was incredible the front windshield flew 200 feet into the air and landed in the swimming pool I'm at home it's after-hours and I get a call from my sergeant and basically he says there's been a car explosion at the La Paloma Country Club Detective James Gamber was a newly minted detective with the Tucson Sheriff's Department, and he was brand new to homicide.
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A bombing sort of has mafia written all over it. Who would want to detonate a bomb at a posh country club in broad daylight with, you know, over 100 witnesses watching?
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It was a house of cards that was crumbling fast. He was promising investors, you know, collateral on property that he didn't own. He was promising Mexican investors money that he didn't have.
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And at one point, Pam got a phone call and picked up the phone and heard on the other line a threat from one of the investors saying, you know, If we don't get paid, we're going to kill you. Gary became extremely paranoid and he starts to sleep with a loaded gun in his bed.
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So Pam's done, and she files for divorce, and she flees, and she heads off to Aspen with her children.
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So what happens is that he wheels together this baffling coalition of like student Red Guards and some like loyal like rebel workers factions along with a bunch of like the remaining party bureaucracy and the military. which is a coalition comprised of everyone on every side of the Cultural Revolution, right?
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Like, normally the Cultural Revolution is broken down into very roughly there are rebel factions and there are, like, government factions, right? And he's pulled together a coalition of a bunch of elements of both of them with the explicit thing of we are going to end the revolution.
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And in the short run, what this does is it leads to the back half of the Cultural Revolution that people don't talk about very much, which is... Instead of, like, everyone dying because there are rebels running around, everyone's dying because the state is killing everyone to, like, bring everyone back under control.
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And that's what, like, most of the people who die in the Cultural Revolution are killed putting the whole thing down. If you want to try to understand, like, what Peronism is, right? It's this ideology of bringing together all of the different sort of disparate political factions in a moment, right?
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You're bringing together everyone from, like, the fascists on the right to, like, the socialists on the left. And you're bringing them into the banner of this one guy. And the reason Mao is able to do this is because... Like, he's Mao, right?
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Every single, like, faction on every side of the Cultural Revolution, whatever they're trying to do is justifying it in the name of, like, oh, this is what Mao wants. This is what Peron is doing, right? He's drawing together the entire political spectrum in a way that he can sort of stabilize power, take it away from, like, the junta, and forge this permanent political coalition.
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And this results in, like, the sort of total dominance that this ideology has over Argentinian politics means that, like, basically every election in Argentina... until, like, Malai takes power, is an election between the left and the right Peronists. And, okay, okay, I am so sorry. This, finally, is the end of my attempt to explain Peronism, and we're gonna go to ads.
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When we come back, I'm gonna, uh, actually do this interview that I've been promising. I am so sorry.
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This sort of brings us to like how he kind of takes power and how, you know, there's an economic crisis. There's like all this inflation. And so he comes in on, like, I don't know, we were talking about this beforehand, and we want to talk to you about this.
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Like, there's all these really weird parallels between this and the American election, where it's like, except the inflation in Argentina is, like, real.
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Yeah, yeah. Hold on. Let me check the current inflation rate. Yeah, I think, I mean, it's like several hundred percent right now. I think it's like 300-something percent, which is actually, Malay's entire thing was that he was going to stop inflation. It's actually, it's way worse under him than it was under the previous, like, Peronist administration.
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Oh, there's one last thing I forgot to mention, which is like, you know, why, if you're on the left, would you take this deal? And this also ties into, like, how this politics, how his politics took over the state, which is that, like, you know, there were people in Argentina, like, under these Peronist governments, got things that are, like, unimaginable here, right?
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There's one that's important to me, and obviously you're still living under capitalism, a lot of it still sucks, but one of the things that people won under these governments was this mandate that 1% of all government employees had to be trans, which is unimaginable here. Even at the height of trans acceptance or whatever, that's
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There's what like that's that's not that's not a thing that's even like no one even like thinks to ask about that. And like, yeah, like, I don't know. Like, yeah, like I might sell my soul to Juan Peron if it meant that like none of my trans friends ever had to sleep in an alley again.
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Like I, you know, but the wheels fall off of this and they put the self-described anarcho-capitalist in power, which is this is great. And oh, God. Okay, this finally gets us to the fun part of this. I said at the top of this episode that, like, he did a meme coin, right? Can you explain what that is? Because... Oh, God.
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I mean, I think this is interesting thing here, too, where it's like our government is just like a fucking meme coin now. Like the thing that is in control of the American state is Doge, the Department of Government Efficiency, which is just the Dogecoin meme.
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Yeah. And like, and that's this interesting thing about it, which is like, okay, this is just a pump and dump scheme. Yes. Like it's just securities fraud. Like I, we have an entire economy based on security. Everyone doing securities fraud and everyone knows that securities fraud.
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Yeah, I remember you talked about this on Jamie's show, about, like, how just deeply nihilistic it all is.
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And I think, you know, I mean, it's not even... It used to be you had to do metaphors to draw a direct line between this sort of, like, the nihilism of this shit and, like, the nihilism of putting, like, Malai or, like, putting Trump and Elon, like, in office. But now it's just... I mean, they just do the meme coin, right? Like, there's no...
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Yeah. You know, and that is also like what Malai has been doing to everyone in Argentina, right? Like his thing that came in is he, I mean, one of the things I remember from like the very first days he was in office is he was talking about all this stuff about how they were going to take away welfare benefits from anyone who was arrested at a protest.
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And, like, that didn't stop. There's been massive protests, like, basically, since the moment he took power. But...
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you know like it's just this really deeply cynical very explicit thing of like pitting like everyone in society against each other like you know like making this argument to there's like a crime thick article about this where it's like they you know like he's very explicitly making this argument to like well okay if you're if you're like a private sector worker and you're making no money the reason you're making no money is because wages are too high in the public sector it's because taxes are too high and if taxes and corporations were lower they would pay you more it's like
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No, but it fits into this sort of like pure nihilism of like, yeah, everyone trying to grift each other.
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The problem that we have is, like, I think people do broadly recognize that, like, everyone who is rich got rich by fucking robbing people. But instead of trying to do anything about that, the solution that's being posited by these people is, like, well, instead of you just being scammed all the time, like, you could be the scam artist.
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Yeah, like, that's, like, the new scam. Instead of, like, you know, because, like, organizing is fucking hard, right? And, like, attempting to fight these people is really hard. They have all the money. They have all the power. They have the police. They have the military. Yeah. And so you get like this shit.
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On the other hand, sometimes it backfires because these people like are like all in enough on on this fucking meme coin shit to like run it. So, yeah, let's let's let's talk about this specific meme coin Libra.
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It almost feels like an older kind of scam. It reminds me of an NFT scam where they'll be like, ah, somewhere in the future we're going to make a game and you're all going to vote. It's like that thing, but they brought it back for one last ride.
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But I actually I actually can't believe I'm blanking on his name. The guy in El Salvador hadn't pulled one yet. Oh, yeah. But Kelly, I'm like stunned. He hadn't done it yet.
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Oh, also, okay, there's another unhinged angle here, which I want to briefly mention because it's extremely funny. One of my good friends, Julie, pointed me to, which is part of the thing that originally made me want to do this, is that one of the people who was involved in this hookup process with the crypto people...
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was this guy named Augustine Lahaye, who's, like, this very, very famous conservative writer. And he's the guy who, like, introduced the concept of gender ideology to Argentina. So he's, you know, like, one of Malay's, like, big things is, like, being a TERF all the time, right?
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And the guy who, like, got all of these people into TERF shit is, like, the guy who introduced him to this fucking crypto scam. And he might have to sell him out in order to get out of the crypto scam bullshit.
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Trans people getting our revenge. You love to see it. Speaking of crypto scams, we should take one more ad break before we get into all of the rest of this bullshit. We are back to the main story of the really unprecedented access this administration has given the crypto people. Can you talk a bit about who the people involved in this are?
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Because it's a lot of very, very large players in this world.
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Jesus Christ. Like, oh no, they're making these guys in a lab.
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Can you explain like what a liquidity platform is for listeners?
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Yeah, so there have to be actual tokens that you can sell to people.
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Welcome to It Could Happen Here, a podcast that has been really, really fucking bleak basically since Trump took office. So instead of doing another episode about how doomed the US is, we are taking a, I don't know, a field trip to Argentina to talk about something extremely funny.
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But it's also so funny that like the terms that have taken hold for these things like are financial terms. And it's like, yeah, it's like like This is not liquidity in the sense of like, does the U.S. government have cash on hand to pay something? This is like, are there these like stupid little weird program things to like move other programs around?
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And that extremely funny thing is the Argentinian president, Javier Malay, promoting a meme coin and maybe going down for it. And with me to talk about this is really the only person I could have on to talk about a crypto thing, who is Molly White. And I'm trying to explain who Molly White is, but my explanation of this is, in the same way that the great 20th century Marxist theorist C.L.R.
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Yeah, so let's get into Millay's involvement in this. Can you lay out the timeline of this? Because it's so funny.
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Those are all, by the way, a bunch of very, very, like Binance and Coinbase are the biggest players in the regular crypto market.
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Yeah. Well, and also the actual guy running the government right now is Elon Musk, who is, you know, like... One of their fucking boys.
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James' book Beyond a Boundary is both universally considered to be the best book ever written about cricket... And also literally calling it the thing that it is, the best book ever written about cricket, is like a damning insult to how good the actual book is.
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Yeah, it's the thing that like fucking ticket scalpers do or like the reason why you can't buy a PS5 is that all these trading bots get in like immediately.
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It's pump and dump. It's literally just a pump and dump. It's just fraud. Right. I don't know. This is my old 2010 sense of ethics emerging here, which apparently doesn't exist in this sort of bold new world of nihilism. But like, This is just fraud.
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This entire thing when everyone was doing this on Wall Street, it like crashed the economy a bunch of times. We were like, holy shit, maybe you shouldn't be allowed to do this. But I don't know. Capitalism is such that you could just buy the government and now all your fraud schemes are legal.
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Molly is like probably the world's best crypto journalist and writes the newsletter Citation Needed, also does Web3 is Going Great, which is amazing. Everyone should go listen to it. Molly, welcome to the show.
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Well, it also like these are professional liars, like their job is to lie to people for a living.
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Like, we did it. No, no, you don't understand. We had to do the scam to save you from the other people who were trying to do the same scam.
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I've been waiting for an opportunity to use that one for such a long time. Great book, by the way, which everyone should both go subscribe to Citation Needed and also go read Beyond the Boundary because it's great. So we were talking about this before the show. I had planned this episode out before Elon Musk showed up at CPAC with Javier Millay, like with Millay's signature chainsaw doing it.
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Oh, my God. Yeah. By the way, use the N-word, by the way, in these two. Like, who these people are? Like, this is a white guy using the N-word.
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God, it really would be so incredibly funny if this is the thing that brings him down. I don't know if it will, but also, like, I don't know. This is one of these, like, in an even bigger way than, like, the Trump plane crashes or, like, a political fucking godsend, like, handed down to the opposition. And the Democrats just aren't—don't use it, right?
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Because, you know, they're the Democrats, right? Instead of just, like— Instead of doing a thing I would do, which is starting literally every speech with fucking no cops, no kings, no crashes, they're like, no, we're not doing anything.
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But this is like, if you were a Catholic opponent of this administration, this is like fucking God reaching a giant hand down and going, hey, have this stick to beat him over the head with.
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Doing an even weirder version of the latest thing about cutting regulation with a chainsaw. But Jesus Christ. Yeah, what a spectacle that was. Oh, my God. Like, Steve Bannon doing the Nazi salute wasn't even the weirdest thing that happened there. That was only, like, day one.
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And, you know, I'll say this about Peronism, right? Like, the thing about Peronism is that it's, like, the engine that devours social movements, right? Like, anytime a social movement comes in, the Peronists sort of, like, consume it from the inside.
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But the thing about the way that, like, Peronism functions is, like, okay, so they've eaten all these social movements, but it's not quite like the U.S., where you can just, like, disband it and make it go away. Like, you actually have to still have the thing the social movement does. And that means that these motherfuckers can throw a protest.
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Like whatever else you say about the Perotas, they aren't capable of putting an unbelievable number of people into the streets. And I'm really interested to see what's going to happen like this weekend and over the coming weeks to see if we see another 17th giant round of protests like also specifically about this.
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I think part of the reason this is, like, a real issue for him is that, like, he really, truly, you know, and this is something that, like, Trump is also doing this. But he, like, really, truly went out to, like, his main base of supporters. Yeah. And was like, I was going to take you up behind a wood set and shoot you and, like, take the money out of your pocket.
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And, like, the way he's, like, systematically fucking all of the people who are supposed to be his political base. And, like, Trump was also doing this, but, like, people sort of, like, haven't set in that this is what's happening. Whereas, like, this rug pull thing, it's, like, this is, like, the only thing that the fucking unhinged right-wing crypto bro people care about.
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Like, this is, like, the one thing you could possibly do. to like, it's the wall.
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Yeah, you have to wander around the stage with a chainsaw. Like, he didn't even do the Malay thing, which is you have, like, a book of regulations or whatever, and you cut it with a chainsaw.
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Yeah, I wonder, I don't know, I'm interested in your take on this. How much of that is people who are in less meme coin-y things who are worried about their assets because they at some point have to be able to cash out?
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Oh, God. Yeah. So I am very excited to talk about the crypto scandal that might finally bring this administration down. However, and I am deeply sorry. I already I apologize before this recording started. I am deeply sorry. In order to explain who Javier Millay is, I have to do... The single most difficult thing I've ever attempted in my... Like, not just in my history as a podcaster.
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Yeah, and this gets me to, I think, the thing I want to close on, which is You know, like we actually did successfully as a society kill the NFT.
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Like we took that motherfucker out back and stabbed it to death. And I'm wondering whether you think that like this is this is a moment where we can like use this as a wedge thing to try to like fucking kill this entire industry and how vulnerable they are to like the negative PR rattlings from all of this.
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Like, that's obviously trivially true. But, like, my entire history doing theoretical work in general. Which is, I'm about to attempt to explain Peronism in under 10 minutes on 4 hours of sleep. Let's see it. So... Here we fucking go. Because, to take a sense of why we have to do this, right? Like, Malay is able to take power...
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Yeah, and I think it's this interesting thing of, like... Sorry, I know I said we were going to close out, but, like, no, this is fun. There's this interesting way in which, like, this seems like the endgame for the entire, like, tech bubble economy is, like, you know, like, none of these fucking companies have ever been able to make money, right? None of these fucking companies.
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Like, they all... Like, fucking, like, everything from, like, fucking Uber to, like...
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fucking like google and amazon like hemorrhaged money uber will hemorrhage money until it eventually the bubble pops and it dies right but like amazon only really started making money you know google was kind of making money but like amazon only started making money when they started getting government contracts for like their cloud computing shit yeah and like that like looks like the end game like you know this is this is the thing with like elon's like fucking electric armored vehicle contract is like the only thing that can keep the bubble going is just pure state intervention
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But that also gives me a little bit of hope because I think the thing that's kept this giant bubble economy going for like over like a decade and a half now has been really, really, even under the original Trump administration. I mean, the original Trump administration kind of got bailed out by COVID to some extent.
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Like, you know, I mean, like the original Argentinian economic crisis was there was this huge wave of currency collapses in 2018 where it was sort of contained. Like the IMF did a bailout in, well, it was trying to do a bailout in Argentina and it like it kind of got contained, but it set off a black wave of uprisings. But like,
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There's been this like really it's taken this really careful financial management and like all of these like like a trillion dollars of like overnight repo purchases like every day from the treasury to like make sure there's enough liquidity in the banking industry to prevent like the kind of like 2008 style collapses. And I think it's taken a really delicate hand.
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And, you know, like, I don't think it's a good thing. But on the other hand, like these guys just fire the nuke police like while they were moving a nuke. And I wonder if they can actually keep the dance going or if they're just going to or if they're going to fuck up their bubble economy, just blow it all up, which might maybe nuke all of these people in the process.
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like, basically because he's, like, one of the first candidates in a long time to, in Argentina, to run as an anti-peronist. And that may seem weird because, hold on, wait, shouldn't there always be, like, okay, if you have an ideology, shouldn't the person from, like, either the left or right side of the political spectrum, you know, be running against an ideology?
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well my line on this is that like accelerationism as an ideology doesn't exist anymore because there's not there's nothing you can do to do the acceleration yeah right like or something like left accelerationism like trump and elon musk like just have their fucking foot hammering the pedal all the way down we are accelerating as fast as we could possibly go and all we have left is to like make sure that the fucking acceleration goes our way and not theirs yeah yeah
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Yeah. Well, look, they might bring down the first anarcho-capitalist president. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I don't know. Today, Argentina, tomorrow, the world.
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Yeah. And I think this is interesting kind of like bounce back thing, too, because he's like, you know, he's somebody that he's modeling himself on Trump one, like the first Trump administration. But he got even weirder with it than like Trump one did. And now Trump two is like modeling itself back. Yeah. They're like slingshotting.
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Yeah. And I don't know. Hopefully the fucking rebound hits them, too. And they also get the backlash to it. And we. Yeah. I don't know. We don't all die when they actually set a nuke off because we've driven them out of power already.
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Yeah. Well, Molly, thank you so much for coming on the show and for talking with us about this unhinged bullshit. And also just genuinely thank you. Thank you for reporting on all of this shit because, oh my God, it is not easy. I don't know how you stay sane.
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And no, no, up until basically now, both the left and the right in Argentina were both peronists. So to get an understanding of what Peronism is, we need to go back not just to who Juan Peron is. And we'll we'll get to who Juan Peron, who's like the guy this ideology is named after. And, you know, the ideology is based on like this guy returning from exile from the military coups.
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But we have to go back to one of the sort of foundational parts of the modern Argentinian state. And that element is the fact that Argentina has one of those militant workers movements in the entire world and has had it for about a century. I was on Margaret's show, It Could Happen Here. Jesus Christ, not It Could Happen Here. Good Lord. You tell them I'm four hours asleep. You're doing great.
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Thank you. Thank you. I haven't even gotten... We have not gotten to my final analysis of Peronism where the closest thing I can compare it to is post-short cultural revolution 1970s era China. So this is about to get so much more unhitched.
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But a while back, I was on Margaret's show, Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff, to talk about the second Argentinian giant anarcho-syndicalist uprising in about a span of four years, which was the giant anarchist rebellion in Patagonia in 1921, 1922.
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This is the second one because the first one was the 1919 general strike, which ends in an event called the Tragic Week, where everyone sort of gets killed by the military and
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But, you know, the fact that there's two in different parts of the country, enormous anarcho-syndicalist uprisings in a span of about four years, is a demonstration of the fact that this is one of the most militant working classes in the world.
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And any political movement that is trying to hold power in this country is going to have to deal with the fact that the Argentinian working class at any moment can, you know, if you're a factory owner, you can wake up one day and there's a black flag flying over your factories because your workers have seized it.
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And the sort of culmination of this and the reason this is even still relevant today is that like the last of what you would I guess you could call like the classical 20th century revolution. So a line of uprising started with like the original formation of the workers councils in Russia in 1905. Yeah.
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you know, and that continues to like the occupation of the factories in Italy through the two red years, like 1918, 1919, like the anarchist parts of the Spanish revolution, like the revolutions in Hungary and Algeria, like, you know, all like through 68, like the factory occupations in France and Italy and like all this whole, this whole lineage of like the thing that happens when you do a revolution is workers occupy the factories and try to seize control of the country.
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The last one of those ever was in Argentina in 2001. Like, everywhere else in the world, this shit was gone. And then randomly in Argentina in 2001, like, there's a giant one of these uprisings that is, you know, only really put down by a sort of left Peronist government agreeing to, like, tell the IMF to fuck off. which was like, you know, a sort of seismic change in the political landscape.
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But all of this is to say that, okay, if you were a capitalist in Argentina and you have to deal with this, like, what do you do?
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And the answer is to create the most unhinged ideology the world has ever seen by uniting socialism and fascism under the single banner of Argentinian nationalist class collaboration, which is the thing that makes no sense, but you have to understand, like, Peronism is... Oh, God. Protism is simply the weirdest ideology ever.
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I promise we're going to get to the fun crypto stuff, but we have to unfortunately do this. We have to do our homework first. And part of this is so Juan Peron, the actual guy who his ideology is based off of, is an enormously popular president in like the late 40s and 50s until he gets overthrown by a military coup.
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And to get a sense of, again, like how weird this guy is, like this is a guy who when he comes into power, a bunch of the most famous Nazi war criminals and like not just, you know, obviously like like the famous Nazis fleet Argentina. There's a whole meme about that. Right. But I mean, we're talking like guys from the Ustazi, like guys, guys who literally did the Holocaust by hand.
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Like, flee to Argentina during his administration. And when a military coup overthrows him, they flee the country. So, again, like, the U.S.-backed military junta is less pro-Nazi than this guy is. He is also personal friends with Che Guevara and considers, like, the Cuban Revolution to be, like, part of his, like, revolutionary project. So a deeply, deeply weird, deeply weird guy.
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And the result of this is that, okay, so you have a military dictatorship through like the 50s and the 60s, right? And like the entire time this dictatorship, not the entire time, but most of the time this dictatorship is happening, right? The entire political spectrum sort of projects all of their...
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political energy onto, we want Peron back because Peron is remembered as like the guy who like brought workers rights to the country and also like gave women the right to vote. And also as you remember, it is like a stable nationalist right-wing government by the right.
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So like everyone on like both sides of the political spectrum project all of their political aspirations into the single figure of Peron, which works because he's not in the country. He's not, not there. So, you know, and because he's gone, you can project anything you want onto him. Yeah. And this is, to a large extent, the origin of modern populism, right?
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Like, you know, modern populism is the projection of all grievances onto one guy, and then having that guy come in, take power, do constant sort of semi-political mobilization to, like, fix your issues.
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And one of the interesting threads here is that, like, the theoretical origin of left populism is very specifically Peronism because one of the theoreticians of, like, modern left populism, one of the most famous ones, is my old nemesis, the Argentinian political philosopher Ernesto Laclau.
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And his wife, Chantal Mouffe, who were like, you know, these people were like the theoretical forces behind a bunch of like the European left in this sort of Euro-communism era. And even up until like Podemos in Spain, 2011, like these are the people who are the theoretical force behind so much like left electoral stuff in the last like 50 years. And it's all from LeClau, who was a left Peronist.
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So all of all the dots are going on the pinboard. And while he's gone, he's this guy that like, from an American perspective, it's like, imagine that like Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump from 2016 were both the same guy. And both sides were just trying to get this one guy to come back to Argentina and like fix everything. So, this creates, like, the left and right Peronists.
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And when Peron comes back in the 70s and, like, immediately gets elected president again, the right Peronists just, I mean, just literally starts slaughtering the left Peronists in the streets. And Peron, like, backs the right Peronists against the left. And you would think this would destroy left Peronism.
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But no, no, left Peronism was in power in Argentina until, like, Malay's election, like, a few years ago. It's... Ugh. So, okay, so, like, why would you still be a left Peronist after Peron, like, had all your boys' machine guns in the 70s? Part of the reason this works also is that he dies and his wife takes power and there's, like, another military coup.
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So, you know, he's not, like, in power long enough, kind of, for, like, the disenchantment to really set in. He's in power just long enough for people to remember it as, like, the break between the dictatorships. And at this point, I can finally attempt to go, what is Peronism? After, like, how many minutes of, like... Oh, God, I think I've gone over my 10-minute limit of what is Peronism.
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But, okay, Peron's deal is this, right? Like, so, okay, like, if you're a Peronist, right, in a Peronist state, everyone is supposed to be equal before the power of the Argentinian state. And so if you're a leftist, you focus on the everyone is going to be equal part. And this means, on the one hand, you know, there are real substantive gains for...
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the Argentinian working class that they didn't get under the, you know, the sort of previous administrations and under the Junta, right? You know, you have like massive expansions of workers' rights, like nationalizations of a bunch of sectors of the economy. You have this like strategy of national development through like import substitution.
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There's like a long strain of like feminist Peronism from, you know, his like, like him being the administration where women got the right to vote, right? On the other hand, if you're a fascist, you focus on the like before the power of the Argentinian state part, which means like permanent class collaboration.
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And this is the part of the deal that brings the right in is like the deal is that, OK, so you give the workers all of this stuff and you set up these really complicated patronage networks. And, you know, people have jobs and like they have a social safety net, at least in theory.
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And the tradeoff is you will never, ever again attempt to like occupy a factory or like drive these parasites who run your entire life out of power. And the second part of that is just like this hard line, unhinged right wing, like Argentinian nationalism, which is wielded against, for example, like Argentinian indigenous groups. And so I promised a comparison to the 70s long cultural revolution.
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We've reached that point of it. So to understand really what this is, it's an active counterinsurgency that is waged by the state and waged by a bunch of parts of the social sector to enfold this really dynamic and militant workers movement into the state in such a way that there can still be politics, kind of, but it won't actually be a threat to the ruling class.
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And my sort of like closest thing to this is this very, very weird period in Chinese history between like the end of the short culture revolution in like 1969 and the death of Mao in 76. where the most unhinged parts of the Cultural Revolution are sort of over because Mao has set off... So 1967, Mao sets off this uprising in Shanghai.
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He does this deliberately as part of his strategy to gain power of the party. The problem is that control of Shanghai is no longer in the hands of the Chinese Communist Party. The workers take the city. And this is a disaster because they've all been reading about the Paris Commie. I think of the Paris Commie is that they had like direct elections of people.
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And there's a moment I actually like I found this this moment of this transcript where Mao was talking to Zhou Enlai. And Zhou Enlai is like, if we let these people do direct elections, like it's going to lead to anarchism. And Mao is like, oh, shit, we have to stop this.
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Let's get to the second day on your note card so we can get to some of that other stuff because we'd like to pay for that.
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What do you say, Jack? Give it another shot.
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You barely cried once during this entire call. That must mean it was a positive experience.
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You know, we've talked about people getting back into the dating game after being out of it for a while. But we don't normally speak to people on this segment who are using dating apps for the very first time.
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It's like a time warp. If you haven't dated since 2010 and you met somebody at a grocery store. Nowadays, you're getting an eggplant. All right. But it's a digital one. And I don't know if you even wanted it in the first place. But that's what happened with Rachel recently. She emailed us saying this is her very first time being on a dating app.
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And she actually met a great guy who's somehow not calling her back. So, Rachel, welcome.
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I think single people think anytime is a good time. Marry people like my weekend is my only time. So what did you guys end up doing, Rachel?
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An Uber ride? You've never been in an Uber before? It's done nothing. Technology is amazing. They can deliver food now?
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Oh, this is like immediately after the handshake. When is this?
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Brooke's only saying that because she never would have said that to a guy.
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What was his reaction? Were you able to gauge it?
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I hear Rachel crying right now, even just mentioning him.
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Yeah. We're used to side tongue on this, so we're just... We've heard a lot of dating stories, but yours sounds very nice, especially for your first time back into the dating pool, first time on a dating app. So let's play a song. We'll give, not Dylan. Jack. Jack.
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Excuse me. I am so sorry. I promise you, Rachel, I will not call him Dylan.
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In fact, this is going to be the last time I ever say Dylan on this show.
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We'll play a song, we'll come back, and we'll call Jack for you, not Dylan. Right after this.
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If you're just joining us for the second date, we're talking to Rachel, who went on her first first date in a very long time.
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She said it's been more than a decade since she's gone on one, and she's never been on a dating app before. This was her first time on a dating app, and that was a little bit overwhelming, which is understandable. Totally. In fact, I'm going to do an impression right now of a guy seeing fresh meat on a dating app. Let's take the music down. Oh, no.
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oh yeah oh a newbie we're gonna stay at applebee's for 20 minutes and then go back to my mom's house and she's gonna watch me play mario kart oh man so it's like she was dating in college all over again jack who she met wasn't like that he was different he was a gentleman and how do i know that they were a good match because rachel said she didn't cry once during their entire
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Well, cry in general.
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No tears, that's love. So, Rachel, we're about to give Jack a call. How are you feeling?
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Here's Brooke's pep talk to go out on the town and sleep around.
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You know what? We're just going to stop projecting our feelings and our failed relationships onto you. We're just going to dial Jack and see what he has to say, OK?
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Yeah, no, I'm sure you're very confused. This lady is talking at you and kind of hitting on you at the same time. No, we're a morning radio show, and we're doing a segment called The Second Date Update where we're trying to help one of our listeners get in touch with you after you went out.
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Sounds like fun, right?
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And we heard them from one of our listeners named Rachel. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. So tell us what you thought about Rachel.
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She said a lot of really nice things about you, about how you're a great guy.
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From what we heard, it sounded like you did that side hug on the first date.
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Oh, yeah, yeah. We definitely, we did. Actually, we did do the side hug.
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Like what's more organic than having her be on the radio with you and tell her her boundaries right now because she's been on the other line listening, Jack, and she wants to talk to you.
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Jack, feel free to respond.
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note card thing was was brought up it just kind of killed the vibe and i know maybe dude do you know how many times a note card would have saved me on one of my craigslist meetups whether or not like you think it's if it's going too far or it's like taking the spontaneity out of it she's just trying to show you what she's comfortable with doing before things get awkward it's her first day in a really really long time so she's just trying to get her feet back under her
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Maybe we'll see you two on small claims court on Judge Judy, all right? Good luck. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.
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You know, in all the years that we've done this segment, we've had a few listeners call up saying, I know that we only hung out once, but I'm pretty sure they're the one.
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We've had other people say, I am ready to marry this person right now.
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On the phone.
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But rarely do we have people email and tell us, I want a date, even though I'm not 100% sure I really want to go out with them again.
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You know? Sure, but it's a little bit confusing to me. So we're just going to get the listener on the phone who said that to us today. Her name is Ari. Welcome to the show. You do realize this is second date update, not second date maybe. I don't know. We'll see how I feel by the end of the call, right?
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Okay. Well, tell us a little bit about him. What's his name? How'd you meet?
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I know. Of course she brought it up because I'm in here.
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That's when I met Jeff.
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I know the winks were a little bit aggressive, but that's okay.
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Clearly, you're not alone, Ari. So, good beard stuck out to you.
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Okay, so you basically went on the same date twice.
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Unless you guys decided to wear the exact same one for date number two again, because the first one went so well.
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Okay, so how did date three go once you got to this nice restaurant?
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Uh-oh. That's nice. Well, that's not nice that he's late. That's a bad move.
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Four hours later when he finally showed up, how did it go?
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He does know. He's defaulting to you, I guess, to be like, it's your card. You get to make the decision.
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So what happened?
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Yeah. So going back to the beginning of this call, is that why you were saying because of the whole bill situation, maybe you're not 100% sure you really want to see him again for another date?
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She just doesn't have it in her. But if he says yes, then you don't care about the bill situation.
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All right. Well, we're going to see how this goes when we call Victor to get you your second date update and maybe half of your money back.
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We're in the middle of a second date update, and if this doesn't go well with Victor, we may need to go full Godfather on him.
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We can't really threaten Ari's date here. But if he says he does not want to see her again, Ari wants to ask him to pay her back for half of the bill from their final date. Because it was at this nice upscale restaurant. He kind of stuck her with it.
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We're going to call Victor here. Hopefully, we can avoid all of that, and he just says, yes, he would love to see you again. It's all a big misunderstanding, but I'm going to dial his number right now. Here we go. Hello? Hey, is this Victor? This is Victor. How you doing? Oh, you're so polite.
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Sorry to confuse you, but you're on a radio show right now. Okay. About what?
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It's about comedy and fun. Good question. How do you feel about us setting you up on a hot date with a sexy woman that you've already been out with multiple times?
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Because I wanted it to sound enticing.
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Because there is a woman who has gone through us to reach you, and her name is Ari. Oh, yeah, I remember her, yeah.
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We're trying to help Ari feel this out and get a vibe of where your relationship with her is at. Not that it's a relationship, but just she wants to see more of you, and it hasn't happened, and she's not sure why.
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And of course you're not going to tell her that, like, hey, sorry I'm not hitting you up, I'm going on a lot of dates. Yeah. Yeah, of course not. I mean, you're allowed to do, how many women are in your fold? Um, I've been on maybe two other dates, probably.
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So you're not completely cutting her out. It's just you're also opening yourself up to other possibilities.
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Got it. Maybe it gives a little bit of clarity.
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Yeah, because we do have to deliver it.
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Yeah, Victor, the part that you might not know about this is that Ari is actually already on this phone call listening, waiting to talk to you.
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That's what I meant when I said this call. Okay. So, yeah.
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I think you're okay. Let's ask Ari. Are you there? Yeah, I'm here.
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I mean, how many dates does it take for you, Victor, to decide whether or not it's the real deal with somebody?
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I mean, the amount of time it takes me to fill a person out, so I don't have to answer that. I'm trying to help Ari. She just feels like she's waiting forever.
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Maybe just addresses or something.
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We're really nice here, I promise.
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And that's a classy drink, too.
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You probably have the sugar on the rim, too.
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It's okay if you're asking, but not okay if he's asking.
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A kiss is a thank you, isn't it? No.
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She's pretty strict. She wants the money back. So do you want to give your Venmo out right now? No. No, I'm not giving my Venmo. Oh, you sure? Okay. Well, I guess you do.
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One other time. So the last time it worked to get a long-term relationship is what you're saying. Actually, she was trying to break up with me last time, so it was sort of a different situation. Okay. You only pull this move out when you're really, really desperate.
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Tracy, you've heard his explanation, which was he felt like it was the best date of his life and he just didn't want it to end. Is there any part of you that feels compassion for him? No. Clearly, they need to mark the area better that says this area is under surveillance.
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That'd be a nice warning.
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Well, that's fair. Let's give him credit for not murdering on the first date, okay? He deserves credit for that.
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Tracy, he's not a murderer. So maybe that's enough to give him another chance.
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I'm sure it's in his car.
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You could build your IKEA furniture for you. Come on now.
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Justin, man, look, I'm sorry.
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Well, Tracy doesn't want to go out with you. Clearly, this isn't going to work.
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And if you aren't happy with our services to you today, just remember, Brooke's car is the EV Subaru that's parked underneath our building. Okay, so go to that one. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Man, we got to write a book on unique ways to woo a woman.
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Chapter 5, gaining sympathy by slashing your own car tires and blaming her crappy neighborhood for it.
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We'll do the sequel. That's the sequel to this one.
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We're going to have so many bestsellers when we're done writing all this stuff up. But, yeah, it didn't work out today. The good news is we do have hundreds of successful phone calls that we have done for other couples.
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Absolutely. And you can find all of our second date updates wherever you get your podcasts on Spotify, Apple, wherever. Type in Brooke and Jeffrey's second date update.
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You guys know the term double date, where you go out on a date along with maybe a friend of yours who also has a date with them.
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So explanatory. I'm glad that everybody's on the same page because one of our listeners, Justin, went on a different kind of double date where he saw the same girl twice in one night.
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Yeah, a double date. Exactly.
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Yeah, it's a different twist on the term. And I'm just curious.
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There you go. Justin, what did she say when you snuck up behind her as she was trying to get into her car?
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Okay, you double date differently than I do, so I guess start from the beginning of your first part of the date. What's this girl's name?
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I apologize for my female host. She's not really a fan of fun.
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Justin, would you like to apologize for the way that you worded that to us?
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Yeah, we're just going to make this as difficult as possible. So keep going. We'll keep roasting you.
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Like this has happened to her before?
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Yeah, now you actually have to leave.
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Well, she must have felt really relieved to find out that she wasn't actually getting ditched, so the only place for this date to go is up from here.
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Wait, she was crying?
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Oh, your sense of humor is even darker than mine. Yeah, he's a prankster. All right.
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Maybe she was pranking you back.
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Okay. So does that mean that you ended up staying the night at her place? Yeah. Oh, silver lining.
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Okay. Was everything okay the next morning between you two?
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Yeah, I think him going back into her apartment in the same night, that would be the double version of the date.
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Okay, it was a mouth kiss then.
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Well, it could be like a, oh, I feel bad for you forehead sort of kiss.
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What were you guys thinking?
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In fact, I need to go, like, wash my brain out of whatever thoughts you were having.
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Yeah, you're poisoning me. And once we're all fresh and clean, we'll come back and do a very clean version of a second date update. I mean, I can't promise that, but fingers crossed, I'm hoping. Keep it clean right after this.
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If you're just joining us, our listener Justin had his first date end with his car tire randomly getting slashed. So we know he lives in Alexis's neighborhood. She's not arguing against that. No, no, no.
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This specific incident happened outside of his date's apartment. So he kind of turned it into, hey, it's kind of late for me to get a tow right now. So is it cool if I stayed the night? And he did. Even got a kiss the next morning. But ever since then, his date Tracy seems to be avoiding him.
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Justin, we don't know. Is there anything that's going through your mind for why Tracy's avoiding you?
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Because you tried to prank her at the mini golf course by hiding behind a mountain for a second?
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Just long enough for her to shed tears. Okay.
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Yeah, hopefully. Yeah, I mean, on this show, it's always like a simple reason, an easy misunderstanding. It never gets weird.
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Hey, is this Tracy? Yeah, this is Tracy. Hey.
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And who is this?
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I was going to let you guess a few times. Don't let her guess.
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Yeah. If you don't want to play the game, I guess we're a radio show. We're called Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.
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Well, I'm Jeffrey.
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Brooke, do you want to say who you are?
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Okay, we're not doing the fun version of this segment today. We're doing the straight down to business version where we ask you, why aren't you calling back our friend Justin after you went on a date with him?
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You didn't want to have fun with it.
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Okay, put the Band-Aid back on. We're doing a segment. It's a fun one called Second Date Update.
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I probably shouldn't be asking any more questions. Brooke, ask her something.
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I mean, we don't condone people hiding behind mountains and acting like they ditched you mid-date, if that's what you're talking about.
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We got a much different version. Well, not a much different, but a slightly different version of that story when we talked to Justin about it.
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Although you can Photoshop and video edit a lot of weird stuff.
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Some apartment managers are sketchy, and we should probably at least hear what Justin has to say about it because he is on the other line right now waiting to talk to you.
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Well, we need to at least hear what he has to say about this if he's still there. Justin, are you there?
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Justin, I'm going to step away and give you the floor here so you can explain yourself. I'm sure there's probably a very good reason for why you did that. A very noble reason.
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Weil er jede Nacht aufwacht und sich fragt, wer Castro wirklich war. Und was war er überhaupt? Und 2006 lernte Goodwin über einen anderen Tod. Und dieser war Brian Hughes, Patricia Hughes' Mann, der unter dem Auto in South Dakota verletzt wurde. Und er hat darüber gehört, weil es um den Hughes' Tochter ging.
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Und an diesem Punkt gab es fünf Töte aus drei fadalen Verletzungen in fünf Jahren, alle zusammen mit der gleichen Kommune. So in late 2006 and early 2007, Goodwin requested for the US Attorney's Office to open a case to review the commune's finances. Now we're getting somewhere. And around the same time, Goodwin was assigned to a task force to go after the Crips, a street gang located in Wichita.
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Wichita. Crips, Wichita. Das sind zwei lustige Wörter zu sagen. Und es ist hier, dass er mit Clint Snyder begann zu arbeiten. Cooler Name. Und er würde ihm alles über Castro erzählen. Und Snyder wurde sehr interessiert, aber sie waren zu beschäftigt mit den Crips an diesem Punkt.
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Und dann, 2008, wie wir wissen, Jennifer Hudson, nein, nicht das eine, würde in einem offiziellen Verkehrsangriff sterben, bringing the total commun deaths to six. And in response, strategies to trick Castro to giving prints were thrown around. Goodwin went with another detective to Angel's Landing under the guise of looking into the area for home break-ins.
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So they gave Castro glossy images of suspects, quote unquote suspects, asking if he knew any of them. And Castro would only touch the images with the palms of his hands, bastard, and would move them on a table using his fingernails. The guy... He was a shifty fucker. And Castro would give his name, but claimed that he didn't have an ID around, so he couldn't give one to them.
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And he also provided a false social security number on top of that. So in late 2009, the Cripps case cools off a bit now. And Goodwin and Snyder are assigned to the US Attorney's Office with the focus on the financial investigation. Und Goodwin bekam einen Anruf von Sullivan, dem FBI-Agent von vorher, um zu fragen, ob es eine Fax-Maschine nebenan gibt.
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Weil er wollte eine E-Mail von der Freundin eines jungen Mannes übergeben, der Teil der Kommune war. Und er war sehr bescheuert von Castro. Und an diesem Punkt hat Castro in 2010 in Columbia, Tennessee geflogen. Also nachdem die FBI diese E-Mail erhielt, begannen die Agenten, Castro Haus zu schauen. Und er lebt momentan mit fünf Leuten an diesem Punkt.
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And Castro at this point had also changed his name again to Joe Venegas upon moving to Tennessee. And he would be caught on camera showing his new ID to open a bank account. And that is when he would be charged with aggravated identity theft and fraudulent use of a social security number. We got him! Und am 21.
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April 2010 würde Goodwin, Snyder und Sullivan nach Tennessee gehen, mit einer Suchwahrnehmung von Castros Heimat. Also wurde er verhaftet und wurde endlich verhandelt. Aber kein Spiel würde in der föderalen Datenbank gefunden werden. And other investigators were interviewing witnesses through all of this time. But the members of the community weren't really giving up much info.
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They were all pretty loyal to Castro at this point. So Goodwin and Snyder just talked to basically anyone who would talk to them about this commune and everything that was going on. And they would interview about 85 people. And Castro, during this whole thing, would just stay completely silent, giving them the complete silent treatment.
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But he would plead guilty to one of the two charges brought against him in the federal case. And he would just go to federal prison as John Doe, because they still didn't know who this guy was. So during his sentence, Goodwin and Snyder worked to build the best case they had against him.
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And they discovered from Patricia Hughes' mother in Beeville, Texas, that Patricia had dated a man named Daniel Perez. Ding, ding. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. And the case, as we know, was dismissed because Perez was presumed dead. And as Perez was away in prison, his commune began to open up more and more.
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They began to be sick and tired of Perez's bullshit. And one young woman would recount an incident in which Perez made her break a computer hard drive with a hammer and toss it into the lagoon in Angels Landing. And the hard drive would actually be recovered after Cedric County firefighters drained the entire body of water to find it.
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Und schlussendlich wurde einer seiner Follower der große Verlust. Sie erklärte, dass Perez als jemand war, der die Zukunft sehen konnte und eine junge Frau nötig war, um zu leben. Und sie würde all seine Sexkriege beschreiben, die er durch die ganzen Jahre gemacht hat.
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It should be called The Devil's Landing. It's probably my worst joke. The jokes will get up from here. Go up from here for sure. And the first joke I will mention is the man named Daniel Perez, the cult leader, if you will. And he was born in Aransas Pass, Texas in 1959. And he was somewhat of an enigmatic figure with early info on his life largely undisclosed.
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Und sie würde auch beweisen, dass Perez sie gezwungen hat, eine falsche Geschichte über Patricia Hughes zu geben, als die Behörden kamen. Patricia Hughes als diejenige, die in der Kamean Pool verletzt wurde. Und diese Frau sollte sagen, dass Hughes verletzt wurde und in der Pool verletzt wurde.
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Aber was sie tatsächlich erlebt hat, waren Schreie und Schreie, die Perez aus dem Atem und komplett nackt fühlten. Er hat sie verletzt. Und mit der Testimonie hatten sie endlich genug für einen Mörderverfahren. Danke Gott! Und im Januar 2012 haben Sedgwick-Käupte Mörder und mehrere andere Angelegenheiten gegen Pérez verurteilt, während er noch im Gefängnis war.
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Und im Februar 2015 wurde Daniel Pérez von 28 Angelegenheiten verurteilt. One count of first degree murder. Eight counts of grape. Seven counts of aggravated criminal sodomy. Three counts of aggravated assault. One count of sexual exploitation of a child. Eight counts making false information.
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And he received two life sentences plus 406 months on lesser charges with no possibility for parole for at least 80 years. So the guy's gonna fucking die in a rotting jail hole. Dank dem Herrn. Aber mein Herr, also dieser Kerl, ich meine, ich kann es nicht. Ich weiß nicht, wie viele Male ich es gesagt habe. Er ist der Schicksal der Erde.
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Ich bin so froh, dass er getroffen wurde und diese Offiziere nur auf ihn waren, für so lange wie sie waren. Und ich hoffe, dass alle Verletzten viel bessere Leben leben. Aber einfach unglaublich traurig. Unglaublich traurig. Aber das bringt uns zu unserem nächsten Kult, welches ist... Liebe hat gewonnen. To born on November 30th, 1975 in McPherson, Kansas. Amy Carlson was unfortunately born.
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Subject of HBO miniseries, Love Has Won, The Cult of Mother God. Carlson's early life appeared... ziemlich konventionell. Sie wurde in einer mittleren Familie geboren, hat am meisten in der Schule überlebt und hat sogar in der Kirche teilgenommen. Aber ihre Eltern verabschiedeten sich während ihres Kindes.
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Und das führte sie und ihre Schwester Tara, um ihre Zeit zwischen ihrer Mothers Zuhause in Kansas und ihrem Vaters Zuhause in Oklahoma City zu dividieren. Danach folgten die Angelegenheiten des Verbrechens von ihrer Großmutter. Die Schwestern bewegten sich permanent mit ihrer Mutter und Großvater. The family would later relocate to Dallas, Texas, when Carlson continued her education.
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In the mid-2000s, Carlson became deeply involved in New Age philosophies and would frequently post on a forum called lightworkers.org. I went on that site, it's gone now. Ich glaube, wir werden es nie wissen. Aber dort hat sie mit einem Anwesenden namens Amrith White Eagle verbunden. Der ursprüngliche Vatergott, der sie von ihrer eigenen Gnade überzeugte. Oh nein. Oder soll ich sagen, oh Gott.
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Und als Kind arbeitete sie als Manager bei McDonald's. Weißt du... The Galactic Federation. Ich meine, das ist ein ziemlich cooler Name. Das ist ein ziemlich cooler Name. Ich gebe ihnen das. Das ist Star Wars-Schiss. Aber das wird später in Love Has Won. Und Carlson wird ein 19-Jähriger-Jähriger-Dein sein, der 534 vorherige Leben gelebt hat.
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Sie hat ein paar von Perez, dem tausendjährigen Engel, auf. Sie sagt, ich nehme deinen tausendjährigen Engel und erinnere dich an einen 19-Jährigen, der 534 Leben gelebt hat. Andere Leben. Was zur Hölle? Und diese Leben, wenn Sie sich fragten, enthaltenen die Leben von Jesus Christus, Joan of Arc und Marilyn Monroe. Einfach wie...
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all the coolest people ever basically i wish she did like elvis presley too but she that would mess up her timelines that wouldn't be legit you know and she asserted that she could heal ailments such as cancer with the powers of love the powers of love so similar to perez saying he could heal all this it's just the same with all of them at least be original like jim jones did the same he said he could see into the future he could cure cancer yeah yeah yeah i would like them to be original at some point i'm just kidding i don't want to see any more cult leaders i'll tell you what
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I love spiritual livestreams where you can... Donate bits to cult leaders. They're my favorite. But love has one operated under unique spiritual framework that combined various religions and mystical elements. Amy Carlson being the mother of God. She was basically seen as the only conduit for spiritual enlightenment and ascension.
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It was difficult to find information. auf was er als Kleines war und was er als junger Junge war, welchen Job er hatte, hat er bei McDonalds gearbeitet? Ich weiß es nicht. Der Typ ist ein bisschen... Er ist ein bisschen ein Geheimnis, aber ich kümmere mich nicht wirklich um ihn, weil er ein riesiger Scheiß ist.
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And the father of God was basically just a Rolodex of male figures in her life. Throughout her leadership, Carlson took on multiple fathers of God. Male consorts, who she claimed were incarnations of divine masculinity. And these individuals often became key enforcers of her control over her followers. So then there was the Galactic Federation and Ascension beliefs.
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Which was that the cult believed that the world was in the process of a great transformation. And Carlson was the only entity capable of leading humanity into the fifth dimension. Fifth dimension, okay. Okay, nicht ganz so, wie, du weißt, da war Space mit Applewhite oder was auch immer sein Name war. Und Scientology hat sein eigenes Ding, aber Fünfte Dimension, muss ich sagen, es ist original.
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Es ist mehr original. Aber die Follower mussten ihr Ego verlängern und vollständig zu Carlson's Teachings verabschieden. Und jede Deviation von ihrer Doctrin wurde als eine Resistenz zu spirituellem Wachstum gesehen. And the love has one integrated elements of various conspiracy theories, as I was saying. Including ideas of extraterrestrials, 5D consciousness and global government corruption.
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Which like, she's got some points. She's got some points there. But most of it's ridiculous. And the cult used several methods to attract and retain members. Because you're like, how does a woman just walk up to you on the street and say... I'm a 19 billion year old deity that's lived 534 other lives, including of which is Jesus Christ.
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Joan of Arc and Marilyn Monroe, would you like to join my little cult? People are just like... All right, I just don't see that happening. So how did they do it? They did it with social media and daily live streams. This is not looking good for social media right now. Love Has Won gained traction through frequent online broadcasts.
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And Carlson and her followers discussed their beliefs, solicited donations and recruited new members that way. And recruits were often those experiencing hardships, which we find with pretty much every cult I've ever covered and just every cult in history. Just vulnerable people. Beziehungsweise auch diejenigen, die finanzielle Unstabilität oder Gesundheitskrisen haben.
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Aber in seiner Jugend arbeitete er in Texas-Prisen, Aviation und behandelte Flugzeuge in der Navy. Und von 1996 bis 1997 wurde er auch von sessuellen Verbrechen gegen zwei junge Mädchen verurteilt. Yeah, it gets bad right out the gate with this guy. This guy is like mega POS. And these girls were only 11 and 14. But these specific cases would be dismissed. Why? You ask?
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Und der Kult hat ihnen einfach eine Art Gemeinschaft und Zweifel und Heilung gegeben. Und viele Mitglieder wurden von Carlsons Versprechen der spirituellen Erleichterung und physischen Heilung aus Krankheiten wie dem Kanzer durch ätherische Surgerien geführt. Was? Und diese werden auch manchmal als psychische Surgerien genannt.
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In anderen Worten, eine Surgery, die psychische oder spirituelle Mittel benutzt, um physische Kontakt zu vermeiden. Also es gibt diese Leute, die ihre Hände über den Körper der Menschen bewegen und dann sind die Leute unter ihnen, die sich bewegen und Scheiße. Und es ist einfach alles wie ein Placebo-Effekt. Das ist das, worüber sie sprechen.
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But again, living in this cult required complete devotion to the Mother of God and a very strict adherence to her rules. And living in this cult was not that glamorous. Members would live in very cramped quarters and they often did not have adequate food or heating. And they shared a communal space in Colorado, where they expected to serve Carlson without any questions.
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So in their daily life, the followers would participate in online broadcasts to spread the group's message and solicit donations. And this would be their main source of income. And the members would have to refer to Carlson as mom and constantly praise her. Bitch had a praise kink. Let's just be real. Believing that she was working to save humanity.
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And those who deviated and displayed ego or disobeyed orders were humiliated on live streams or subjected to verbal and physical abuse.
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Sie würde Fasten forcieren, die Mitglieder oft von irgendwelchen Füßen ausgeliefert haben, als Mittel für spirituelle Reinigung und Kontrolle, im Grunde genommen. Und Carlsson selbst ging beruflich ohne zu essen für längere Zeit, ermutigte andere, das Gleiche zu tun, was, wie, ich glaube nicht, sie ist Pop-Tarts schmutzig, wie spät abends, ich weiß es.
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Sie würde sie auch schlaflos verletzen, ähnlich wie Jim Jones. Sei original, Carlson. Aber die Follower wurden in einem Zustand von Entzündung gehalten, die Möglichkeit zu denken kritisch zu sein oder die Praktiken des Gruppes zu beantworten. Denn Schlafverletzung, ich meine, es ist real, es ist eine Torture-Taktik. Wenn du schlaflos bist, bist du ein Zombie an diesem Punkt.
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Du bist ein gebrauchtes Zombie oder hast das Potenzial, es zu sein. Und dann einfach vollständige Isolation von der Außenwelt. And then of course we had threats of punishment. One man Oh mein Gott! Was? Und natürlich, wie viele Kulte es tun, mussten Mitglieder ihre finanziellen Aspekte dem Gruppe zurückgeben, weil es kommunal ist. Jeder ist gleich hier.
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Jeder kann sein Geld reinlegen und es nie wieder sehen. Und keine Sorge, ich kaufe nicht Pop-Tarts mit ihnen. I swear. So there was the financial manipulation, isolation from families, abusive practices, claims of divine healing, miraculous transformations, literal torture tactics. It was just hell on earth for these people, but they felt like this is where they needed to be.
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Das ist nicht ein Kult. Das ist nur Spaß. Wir haben einfach einen guten Zeitraum. Ich war Jesus Christus in der Vergangenheit. Verstehe mich nicht. Es würde sogar auf Dr. Phil gedreht werden.
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Because he was reported dead. But he actually wasn't. In reality, he just changed his name to Lou Castro and moved out of state. You can't do that shit now. You can't do that shit. That's crazy. I wonder how many people did that. Just to like wipe their slate completely clean. It's just sick.
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Sie adherierte natürlich zu sehr ungewöhnlichen Gesundheitspräzisen, z.B. der Ingestion von kolloidales Silber, das die Gruppe als Kür-All-Remedy unterstützte. Es war sogar auf ihrem Website verkaufebar, was natürlich jetzt nicht mehr vorhanden ist. And in the months leading up to her death, Carlson appeared very weak, with thinning hair and discolored skin, indicative of severe health decline.
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And prolonged consumption of colloidal silver can lead to argyria, a condition causing blue-gray discoloration of skin and may result in seizures and organ failure. Maybe don't eat silver. Just a thought. I actually don't care. You're kind of a piece of shit.
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Die Kombination von schweren Schmerzen, Nahrung, intensiveren Fasten und der gläubigen Silber, die den Körper verursacht hat, war nur eine Rezeption für die Todesgeschichte. Und das wäre das, was passieren würde. Sie würde sterben. Und im April 2021 wurde Carlsons mummeltes Körper in der Gruppe Colorado-Headquarters entdeckt. Und nur ein bisschen Triggerwarnung. Das ist... Very strange.
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Her body was found in a sleeping bag wrapped in Christmas lights with her face covered in glitter and her eyes missing, suggesting a makeshift shrine. I have no words. I have no words for that. And the seven members of the Love Has Won were obviously arrested and charged with abuse of a corpse and also child abuse.
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Because two children were present in the home where Carlson's body was found, which is horrifying. Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Untertitelung. BR 2018 Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Untertitelung. BR 2018 Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Untertitelung. BR 2018 Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Untertitelung. BR 2018 Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Das war's für heute.
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But this is when he would start to build somewhat of a following, not necessarily a cult at this point, but a bit of a following, a commune, if you will. So he allegedly traveled with members of his commune for several years across multiple states before finally settling into their home of Angel's Landing, Devil's Landing.
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Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 41 | DISTURBING Cults You've Never Heard Of
And the states they would move to was Texas, the Dakotas, Missouri, Kansas, and eventually Tennessee, but that was after Angel's Landing. So Perez, or Lou Castro, at this time claimed to be a seer, with the ability to see the future, you know, like That's So Raven. Und das ist ziemlich normal als Kultführer. Sie glauben alle, dass der Tod kommt. Sie wissen den Zukunft, weil sie Profit sind.
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Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit. Aber er würde auch sagen, dass er junge Mädchen benötigen würde, um sein Leben zu bewältigen und regelmäßige Zugang zu seinen Followern wollte. Seine Follower seien viele junge Mädchen. Und durch Zugang kann man diese Schlussfolgerung ziehen. Einfach verrückt. Er ist einfach ein großer Verrückter.
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Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
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And key figures in the commune, including Sheila, were convicted on charges of immigration fraud, wiretapping and conspiracy to tamper with consumer products. And Sheila's conviction for her role in the Salmonella bioterror attack led to her imprisonment and eventual collapse of Rajneesh Param. Though Rajneesh was very quick to point the finger, it would not prevent him from his own arrest.
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Am 28. Oktober 1985 wurde Rajneesh auf einem verkauften Flugzeug in North Carolina verhaftet. Er und seine Gruppe gingen vermutlich nach Bermuda, um die Befugnisse zu vermeiden. Er kämpfte für 34-Jahre-Entschuldigungen, die zumeist auf Migrationsverletzungen konzentrierten. Beziehungsweise die Verabschiedung der schämen Beziehungen, die ich vorhin erwähnt habe.
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Und um die extremen legalen Kriege zu vermeiden, hat Rajneesh eine Alford-Pflege eingeführt, die bemerkt hat, dass genügend Beweise für eine Vergewaltigung existierten, ohne Schuld zu verurteilen.
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Also resultierte der Pflegedealte in einer zehnjährigen verabschiedeten Entschuldigung, fünf Jahren Verabschiedung, einem 400.000-Dollar-Fonds, der Penalitäten und Verhandlungen betrifft, und einem Vertrag, die USA zu verlassen, und nicht für fünf Jahre ohne explizite Verabschiedung von den US-Betreibern zurückzukommen. So following the plea agreement, Rajneesh would leave the United States.
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And he then faced entry refusal from 21 countries before eventually returning to India, where he resumed his spiritual teachings at the Pune Ashram. And after the collapse of Rajneesh Param, many followers just dispersed globally. Some distanced themselves from the movement, while others continued to practice and promote Rajneesh's teachings independently.
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And there are some just heartbreaking quotes from some of the girls that endured this fucking asshole after the fact, like after he got caught. And they were quoted saying, while other 10-year-old girls were riding bikes or playing with dolls, I was laying naked in bed with a pillow over my head, just waiting for it to be over.
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Was motiviert Menschen, ihre Leben, ihre Werte und sogar ihre Identitäten zu einem charismatischen Führer zu geben? Wie werden ordentliche, tägliche Individuen in manipulierbare, oft gefährliche, Glaubenssysteme eingeschränkt? When the illusion of a perfect world begins to break. What then?
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And Rajneesh rebranded himself to Osho upon his return to India. He's pulling a Daniel Perez. And he would continue to attract followers until his death in January 19th of 1990. And the movement adapted accordingly, with the main ashram in Pune transforming into the Osho International Meditation Resort, attracting visitors worldwide.
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And Osho's teachings have influenced various New Age practices and continue to attract a global audience. Und die Bewegung empfiehlt spezifisch Meditation, Geistigkeit und persönliche Transformation. Trotzdem, trotz ihres aufwändigen Abtreibens, hat die Bewegung Angelegenheiten von Verbrechen gefasst.
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Vorherige Mitglieder sind mit Erkenntnissen von Verbrechen in den Kommunen während der 1970er und 1980er Jahre vorgekommen. leading to renewed scrutiny and discussions about the movement's legacy altogether. And this was all including the account of sexual abuse from a woman whose mother brought her into Rajneesh's community at the age of nine.
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And she describes life as a very young girl navigating a free love community and dealing with the advances of... viel älteren Männern. Sie schreibt, um zu sagen, and took my bad feelings to mean I was flawed. We were to be positive, not negative, so I didn't speak of my pain and confusion. When the commune collapsed in 1985, we were all flung back into the world unprepared.
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I was 16, disoriented, broke, and unsure of who I was. The trauma of my upbringing haunted me, but I couldn't yet name it. As the years passed, I came to see it for what it was, and came to see how Osha's teachings tilled the soil for abuse. Unter dem Hinblick auf die göttliche Freiheit, die mich beobachtet hat.
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Ich habe mich von der Bewegung, von den Übungen entfernt und habe ein Leben meines eigenen vergessen. Also alles, was wir darüber gesprochen haben, war nur mit diesem verbunden. All der Verbrechen und Bioterrorismus, es war alles ein Mittel, um diese Gruppe von Leuten zu haben, die Rajneesh einfach kontrollieren und alles tun, was er wollte.
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wir sehen mit all diesen Kultführern, über die wir sprechen und vielen anderen, über die ich gesprochen habe. Und es ist einfach schrecklich und so schrecklich, besonders mit Kindern. Ich meine, sie wissen es nicht besser. Sie wissen nicht, wie sie sich schützen, wie sie über das Leben gehen. Wenn ein Alter ihnen sagt, etwas zu tun, werden sie es tun.
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Also es ist einfach schrecklich, schrecklich und ich bin froh, dass er tot ist. Aber das war es für die three cults that we discussed today i know it was a lot but a lot of you guys asked for a cult video so i gave it to you but if you have any other video ideas let me know down in the comments below and i hope you stay very very safe and i will see a beautiful face in the next video okay bye
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And she would go on to say, while other 13 year old girls were getting boyfriends and holding hands, I was holding on to my secret and losing the people I loved one by one. When other 16 year olds were experiencing their freedom of learning how to drive and planning parties with their friends, I was planning my own death every day when I drove to school. Just heartbreaking, heartbreaking stuff.
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Like, this guy is just a waste of oxygen. And on top of being able to see the future or claiming to be able to see the future and taking advantage of young girls, he also claimed to be a thousand-year-old angel himself.
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Was? Wer? Hör auf. Ich weiß, dass jeder, nicht jeder, aber viele Leute, die in Kulte einsteigen, oft sehr verloren sind. Sie haben nirgendwo zu gehen. Sie haben keinen Sinn für sich selbst, keinen Sinn für den Wert. Aber wenn ein fucking... You know, little prick came up to me saying he could see the future, takes advantage of young girls and says he's a thousand year old angel.
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I would punch him in the throat. So for future reference, do that, do that. If some guy comes up to you and says all this stuff, this is but it's like crazy. Just another prophet. He is a prophet of some sort. He is the middleman from whoever's up there to whoever's on Earth.
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And on top of all that, he said he could make it rain and not money, which he could do money too, we'll get into that, but literally make it rain. He could heal people and he could use his future seeing powers to tell you, you are going to die. But because of him, you would come back after death.
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So basically he was like, oh yeah, yeah, you guys are gonna die like on Tuesday at 3 o'clock by getting hit by a bus, but don't worry, 16 years after that I'll bring you back. It's gonna be some crazy zombie apocalyptic shit, it's crazy. Don't worry, I'm a thousand year old angel, okay, I can see the future. Alright.
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But he basically made death feel like a very normal thing, regularly telling his followers that the goal in life was to be on the other side, and the other side being the afterlife.
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Und diese Gemeinde wurde von einer kleinen Gruppe von Menschen mit sehr diversen Hintergründen hergestellt. Alle vulnerable in irgendeiner Art und Weise, die Perez oder Lou Castro kümmern würde.
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He would actually make sure that everyone on the compound's needs were met. And not just met, because they would live very extravagantly. And this is not like a lot of other cults. I mean, usually you find that the cult leader is the only one living extravagantly. But he made sure that everybody was kind of even keel, like everybody had stuff.
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Throughout history, cults have risen and fallen, leaving behind dark stories of control, deception and tragedy. But some of the most disturbing cases remain largely unknown to the public. So we're going to dive deep into the rise and collapse of three such cults. Each led by figures who promised enlightenment, but delivered something far, far more sinister.
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But there's a reason for that, and it's really fucked up. So the compound itself was located at North Oliver near the town of Ketchy, Kansas. What a fun name. And they would have two fairly large houses and a swimming pool. And all the members, like I said, and all the members had pretty expensive vehicles. And Perez himself reportedly drove a lot of Corvettes.
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And Perez would make use of his different personas of angels inhabiting his body to control his followers. Those angels being Daniel, Arthur and Amber. And he would open life insurance policies for commune members and set up other commune members as the beneficiaries of Those policies. See where the money's coming from. You'll see. It gets bad.
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So we would basically direct how the policies were to be written. He had a very specific way of writing these policies. And then he would convince his followers that those who died would come back. As we know, zombie apocalypse shit. Manipulieren sie, um seine Verletzungen rauszuholen. Weil er die Namen anderer Leute auf die Polizisten stellt.
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Leute, die nicht zu diesen Leuten oder selbst seine Namen auf diese Polizisten gehören. Nur um das Geld zu bekommen, nachdem diese Leute sterben. Aber Chris, wie würde er das Geld bekommen? Er müsste warten, bis die Leute sterben. Er müsste 50, 60, 70 Jahre warten. Nein. Wenn Geld in der Gemeinde festgehalten wurde, würde einer seiner Follower mysteriös sterben.
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Wenn die Rente bezahlt werden musste, würde er jemanden abwerfen, was so verrückt ist. Und wenn diese Person dann stirbt, würde ein sehr großer Lebensversicherungszettel der Gemeinde zu Millionen von Dollar bieten. So on top of his insurance death scheme, he was obviously exploiting these young girls as well. Like he's just bad at every angle, just a scum of the earth at every angle.
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And he would tell the girls in order to keep them quiet by him doing what he was doing, it would fix them because he is who he is. He's a thousand year old angel. He has all these powers. So he said all this stuff to basically just keep them quiet. In 2001 würde Mona Griffith, ein Mitglied der Kommune, mit ihrem Freund und ihrer 12-jährigen Tochter in einem Flughafen in Süddakota sterben.
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Dieser wurde nicht von Perez verkauft, er hat natürlich keinen Flughafen gemacht. Es war nur eine verdammte Verrücktheit. So, Perez, oder Lou Castro, war der, der als Bruder auf dem Obituarium und auf der Lebensversicherungspolizei listet wurde, was 700.000 Dollar war. Und er würde diese 700.000 Dollar über ihr anderes Kind bekommen.
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Er hatte ein Kind, das im Flugzeug-Kreis gestorben war, aber sie hatte ein anderes Kind, das nicht im Flugzeug-Kreis gestorben war. Also würde er all das Geld nehmen und nichts dem Kind geben. Und dann, im Juni 2003, würde Patricia Hughes, auch ein Mitglied der Kommune, von dem, was geblieben wurde, ein furchtbares Zerstören im Kommune-Pool sterben.
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Also, ein Feierabend würde in Südtexas stattfinden, und es wurde berichtet, dass Perez den Kommune-Mitgliedern erzählt hat, die das Feierabend beantragt haben, niemandem in Texas zu erzählen, dass er in Kansas war, weil er nicht existiert, er ist tot.
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And then in March 2006, Brian Hughes, Patricia's husband, and also a member of the commune, would die in South Dakota while working underneath a vehicle.
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Very suspicious. And then in 2008, Jennifer Hudson, not that Jennifer Hudson, different Jennifer Hudson, a real estate agent and a member of the commune would die when her vehicle crossed into oncoming traffic and would hit a truck head on. Again, very suspicious. Sarah Mcgarth, ihre Tochter und auch ein ehemaliger Teil der Kommune, würde 2008 über ihre Moms Tod erläutern.
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Verbrechen, Verbrechen, Verbrechen, Serialkiller und Mörder. Alle Dinge, die ich genießen liebe. Und ich weiß, dass du das auch tust, du krank, verdammt, wunderschöne, wunderschöne, intellektuell geistige Freak. Also heute sprechen wir über nur das. Verbrechen! Drei von ihnen. Drei von denen, die ich nicht denke, dass du gehört hast. Und wenn du es hast, dann, ich weiß nicht, hör nicht.
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Sie würde beurteilen, dass ihre Mutter an der Arbeit ging und sie versuchte, sie zu beurteilen, aber ihre Mutter antwortete nie.
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Aber Perez würde ihr nicht wirklich eine rechte Antwort geben und das machte die Tochter wirklich, wirklich wütend.
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They know that, you know, these events that are happening might be caused by Perez because they're going to come back later. It doesn't matter if they die and we collect money because they're going to come back. Remember? Remember? But this started to lose its luster after so many people were dying. Because Trish and Brian had died.
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They were other people in the commune and they hadn't come back yet. So the daughter obviously believed that her mother wasn't going to come back at least anytime soon either. So investigators would start to catch on to this scheme. A lot of life insurance policies were being paid out to like one specific person or these specific People in this commune and people were dying left and right.
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And who was this guy? Who was Lou Castro? They didn't know. So Sedgwick County Sheriff's Detective Ron Goodwin, along with other investigators, compiled 500,000 pages worth of documentation of what Perez was up to, which spanned over 20 years in multiple states, as we know. Und Goodwin hat sich neun Jahre gedauert, um herauszufinden, wer Perez war und wo er alle seine Geld bekommen hat.
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Weil Perez lebte wie ein fucking König. Und er hatte keinen Job. Er hatte keinen Job die ganze Zeit, aber er fährt ein paar Corvettes, er hat Häuser, er hat einen Pool, er hat all diese Dinge. Also hat es einfach nicht weitergegeben. So he became suspicious of Perez, at this point still known as Lucastro. In April 2003, when he noticed Perez's group had multiple 40 to $50,000 vehicles.
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Very suspicious. And their compound had the two houses and a very nice swimming pool as well. So all of this unexplained wealth was starting to look pretty nefarious. A lot of nefarious activities looked like they were happening. So Goodwin was on the case. So if you remember, June 2003, a member of the group Patricia Hughes would die in the commune swimming pool. Accidentally.
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For those of you listening, I'm making very obvious, you know, quotes, winking. Und das war einer der Fälle, die Goodwin bemerkte, um weiter zu schauen und herauszufinden, dass Castro nicht der ist, der er sagt. Und Castro hatte keine offenen Rekorde und war nicht einfach identifizierbar. Und er hatte im Grunde auch keinen identifizierbaren Vergangenheit. Weil der Kerl existierte nicht.
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So he would do a little song and dance and claim that he came from oil wealth and he was an inventor or that he was a cattle seller, just spewing bullshit to investigators. And none of which could be verified, so it didn't hold up very long. But all of the members in the commune were identifiable through databases, but Lou Castro was not. So that was looking suspicious, suspicious even more.
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But Goodwin did find that Castro had a South Dakota ID card. And this would lead to the discovery of Mona Griffiths death in 2001. On top of her boyfriends and her daughters, where Castro was listed as the brother of Griffiths. So he was just raking in the dough after all three of these people died.
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Ja, du sollst trotzdem hören. But without further ado, let's unbuckle our seatbelts, go Mach 5 down the highway, slam on the brakes and bust through this windshield into these three disturbing cults together. So, the first cult we're going to be talking about today is Angels Landing. Sounds nice, right? It's fucking not. It's not. It's the furthest thing from nice.
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In 2004 hat Goodwin den Hilfe von FBI-Agent John Sullivan verabschiedet, um Castro zu identifizieren. Sie hatten schon vorher zusammengearbeitet bei anderen Drogenfällen und Sullivan konnte keine Foto oder Beschreibung finden, die mit Lou Castro zusammenhängt. Nicht mal die FBI konnte herausfinden, wer dieser Kerl war. Und Goodwin machte alles, was er konnte, um Fingerprint zu bekommen.
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Er folgte Castro herum und sammelte Trash aus dem Komponenten. Er bekam sogar die Möglichkeit von einem Manager, Glasses und Silberware zu sammeln. Das ist wie Filmmusik. Aber kein Fingerprint, um Castro zu identifizieren, wurde jemals gefunden. So wurde der Fall langsam kalt. So führte Goodwin nach Angels Landing, über die nächsten paar Jahre, jedes Mal ein bisschen.
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what was like the civilians like appetite when you guys were there were they like angry with you guys or were they like happy you guys were there like because i know at some points they were saying like you guys were just being policemen there at a certain point right i don't know if that was when you were there but now we were never policemen but um i mean look i guess the way you can kind of look at it is america right you got super blue states and super red states and
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You put your life on the line there and like you serve there looking back now, do you think that's a war that should have happened or?
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But Afghanistan, that's a different story. You think that one was justified?
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Because there's so much weird shit with that, like all the Bin Ladens flying out.
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That is so interesting. So it's these private companies that are getting paid by multiple different agencies to go and fight?
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So, and the CIA is funded by taxpayer dollars or is it privately funded too?
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He has a ton of experience and he designed my workout program from scratch. And that was me being on the road, drinking every week, not access to good food. So I basically told him, Todd, we got to make this program available to everybody. I've partnered with him on TNMLifestyle.com. Fill out a quick quiz. It's totally free.
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We're accepting a very limited amount of clients because this is one-on-one coaching. If you're chosen, you're going to get a call from a trainer. and create a completely custom workout and diet plan for you. Diet's the most important part. You look good. You feel good. I feel like that translates to everything else in life.
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So also guys, while I was in India, I ran a fucking marathon too, which my trainer Todd actually helped me train for as well. We also have marathon programs available now on TNM. So if you want to run a marathon like I did, you can get a completely custom tailored plan depending on what level you're at to train for a marathon as well, which is pretty cool.
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You know what I mean? That's like the main, the main thing, right?
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Did you see what we did with him when we gave him the big Zin container? Did you ever see that? So we surprised Tucker with, uh, like the world's biggest Zin container. I'll show it to you after. Nice. Yeah. We like flew it in on a helicopter. I don't think he's a big fan of Zen anymore.
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Does it stop you from like thinking certain things are important in society or like? Cause maybe they're not like, it may, it just, um, yeah. Like money's not important or like, cause at the end of the day, it's kind of not right now.
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So you're really struggling with like addiction before that and right after that.
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You're just completely drug free. Yeah. That's fucking like a miracle.
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Now that you've done it a few times, what do you think, what's happening when you do it? Like you're opening up another sense or you're like...
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I wonder, we should do it for a video. I just, it's scary, right? If you've never done it, like you said, I have those same assumptions. Like, is it, am I going to come out the same?
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And you do other psychedelics. You do you like fuck with mushrooms, right?
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Yeah. Group of Australian girls. They just love them. You ever been to Disneyland on shroom chocolates? No. You got to try it out. No. It's a good time.
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How do you think we solve some of these problems with vets? Because it's such a big issue, right? And they're putting their lives on the line to protect freedom, protect the country and stuff. Is there any solutions to fixing this adrenaline problem or just the way that they're treated?
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You don't want to go full gambit. That's good. You've had Trump on. How do you think he's doing so far? I know I saw you said on Joe Rogan's that America maybe aren't the good guys anymore when you were on there. Do you think that now Trump is in office? Has that changed at all? Or what's your outlook on that?
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That's crazy. I got to look into that. We might have to do that for a video if we can handle it. What's next for Sean Ryan and the business and the podcast?
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Yeah. Congrats, man. I mean, your story is very inspiring. This, this combo is awesome. And yeah, you have one of the biggest podcasts in the world, so wish you nothing but great success.
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And yeah, maybe I was thinking we got to do a, if Sean could get us into some Navy training or something, I think it'd be cool to show our audience, like, yeah, man, just put us through the ringer or something like that. I'll tell you what, we should do something for our next channel, like something lifestyle.
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This was like a year and a half ago. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. But no, dude, I'm pumped to have you here. Sean Ryan, this guy's become like an absolute inspiration to like millions of people. I know you're in the Navy, you're in the CIA, so much military, you know, experience and stuff like that.
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all these wars but i mean you know we're going for for your increments geopolitically i was saying too because like i saw recently i guess we struck the like iranian is it the houthis and yeah yemen and then you got the gaza and israel thing going on in ukraine russia what do you make of like the geopolitical like wars going on right now
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I think he can too. I think he's a really good negotiator and he seems like he's just a people pleaser, right? Too. So I think you never see him insulting someone like he doesn't insult. I guess he insulted Zelensky, but maybe he knows that you got to insult Zelensky to kind of get to him too.
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But I think if you insult Putin, you kind of, you piss him off and then he's never going to make a deal with you. Right. So what do you think was like the most nonsense war that America has ever been involved with?
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And now you started a podcast and I think you've just obviously become like a help to so many people and inspired so many people. Did you ever think that like back then, did you ever think you'd be doing like a podcast now that's so successful?
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Yeah, you have an incredible story. I know you joined the Navy when you were 18. Yeah. And did you do eight years in the Navy?
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What made you want to, like, enlist originally, like, all those years back then?
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You're considered a legend too. So you always want to do a good job, right? Yeah. If you guys have not tried out the prize picks app, you got to download it right now. You guys know me. I've tried every single app when it comes to firing on sports and prize picks is by far my favorite. What I love about PrizePix is instead of choosing teams, you're choosing individual players.
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What was that like? It was somber, man. Getting deployed into Afghanistan.
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And pro-Putin. Yeah. Okay. Next up in Trump's America, we have the new Transportation Secretary, who we did an expose on a couple weeks ago of him running around in his panties. Anyway, here he is speaking, I believe, to the FAA. Anyway, it's a room full of federal employees. And here's how well Trump's America is being received right now. The people that Trump puts in charge. Please play the clip.
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He is just getting relentlessly booed and trolled. And here's the fact of the matter. We had Pete Buttigieg. Every president gets to put their own cabinet. I don't have issue with that. Pete Buttigieg, Rhodes Scholar, was an incredible transportation secretary. And they all know it.
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They all know that this guy, Duffy, who runs around in his panties, making a bunch of sexist jokes, getting hammered, all that video evidence exists. He doesn't know shit from Shinola. And he's standing up there because they're firing FAA agents because Elon Musk wants to control all of this stuff.
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They are doing Elon Musk, who in the previous video I just showed is an untreated drug addict, tripping balls, running around with sunglasses on inside and, um, Chainsaw. Chainsaw and ignoring tweets from his baby mamas when his kids need medical care. They are booing this guy because he's firing qualified people and planes are falling out of the sky. They are making us less safe.
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And at the end of the day, this is the stuff Americans want to pay taxes for. We want to make sure that planes don't collide in air. We want to make sure our water isn't contaminated. We want to make sure shit is secure. We don't want to have to think about it. And don't fall for this trap, listener. Do not fall for... Oh, we want it to be privatized.
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That is a road to everybody getting screwed over because all corporations want to do is cut costs, which harms you and benefits the shareholder.
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Well, and I just want to remind everybody, we did an episode about this, but what happened is Elon Musk rocketed. It exploded and it caused a bunch of debris. And this was during Biden's time period. And Secretary Buttigieg was like, because they had to reroute all these planes because debris was about to hit passenger jets.
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Passenger jets that you take your darlings on to go to Disney World and to the Caribbean, etc. And so it was a huge catastrophe. So the head of the FAA ordered an investigation in this and also grounded all of Elon Musk's rockets. That's why he has come at lightning speed and fired anybody who interferes with him profiting or conducting his experiments. And Duffy's job is to make sure we're safe.
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Elon Musk doesn't give a fuck if we're safe or not. He doesn't give a fuck about his kids as evidenced by the fact that he uses little X as a human shield, number one. And number two, two out of five of his baby mamas can't get a hold of him. And they're having to communicate with him via Twitter because they all know that's where he is all the time.
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Because aside from being an untreated drug addict, he's an untreated Twitter addict. Okay, next up, here we have Laura Ingraham over at Fox News. And this is a trend that is very dangerous and is going to take a long time to unravel. This is the stuff that wants Trump and Musk are out of here. This is the stuff that lives on for a long time.
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She's talking about planes crashing, and let's hear who she blames.
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All right, what they're doing is now for a portion of the MAGA loyalists, whenever they see a female in a position of power, And especially, this will especially be harmful for Black people that get into positions of success or just any sort of job. They are going to think and diminish every time they see a person of color or a woman in these jobs that they aren't able to do them.
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It appears that the man who is running the United States of America, who was just at CPAC, is so under the influence of drugs that he could barely compose a sentence. I want you guys and Pumps to take a look at this clip.
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I want to detract. If I ever said, I don't think I've ever said this, but if I've ever said Elon Musk is clearly intelligent or clearly smart, I want it in the permanent record that I do not believe that he is. I think he is an opportunist and he is clearly an untreated drug addict. He could not put a sentence together as he's sitting there inside with sunglasses on.
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And I would argue that most of the time they're probably more capable. But this is an upholding and a cling on to the patriarchy. But as they keep injecting, this into the popular culture and injecting it. Social media, news, propaganda network is what that is. And it keeps going and going. The damage to this, to the generation coming up, is horrific.
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It is horrific because I would argue that women... And particularly people of color have it much more difficult to get to these positions than the white man, than Duffy did or Elon Musk did or Donald Trump did. And so this is just such a dangerous, overtly racist practice that is diminishing hardworking people. And I just fucking hate it.
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racism never went anywhere no but we were making some progress right but i i remember a conversation where we had on this podcast with the sports journalist el uh el duncan el duncan she's a black um espn journalist we talked about obama with her and she said that after he won her dad
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said we're really going to pay for this in black culture and in black communities they knew that there would be a white lash to him being elected and him being so good at his job but i also want to ask you this what would fox news do if a black man was running on stage at a convention
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who runs around in the Oval Office, rides on Air Force One, appears to be running a department of the United States of America, if not the entire country, with sunglasses on inside and a chainsaw. How could... I don't know that they could prevent themselves from not dropping the N-word on live TV. Oh, I think they would.
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Yes. Well, a lot of the conversations about George Soros feed the anti-Semitic base. That's what that's about. And that always has been. George Soros stands up for human rights and has always fought the good fight. But because he is Jewish, that's where a lot of anti-Semitism has been fueled over the last – 10 to 15 years.
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So the takeaway message, listener and pumps, is this, is this DEI talk and this administration does nothing but prop up white supremacy and the patriarchy, and they are lying liars. Elon Musk is a direct threat to democracy. And that's all we have to say. And you can stick with us for more information. Please subscribe to our channel. We're trying to get to half a million subs.
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And of note of the CPAC, I just want you to know, I saw this online. They kicked out the January Sixers. What? Yes. And one of them was filming it and he was all mad. Like, I'm a January Sixer. I can't believe you're kicking me out. Blah, blah, blah. All that's just for show. Nobody wants to hang out with the January Sixers. Nobody wants to hang out with them at CPAC.
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They are props for the oligarch.
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how much they play defense on their masculinity is really hilarious.
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Senator Klobuchar, I appreciate that you think that a portion of the American public can identify lies, but I want to share something devastating with you. I was playing pickleball on Sunday. And at the end of the match, we were kind of hanging out. And this woman who's 10, 15 years older than me, politics come up. Elon Musk comes up. Ukraine comes up.
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She starts spouting Putin propaganda, defending Putin. bashing. This is in Oklahoma City. She starts bashing Vladimir Zelensky. And I asked her, I'm like, where did you get all this information from? Like, this is completely pro-Kremlin information. She says, well, you're not going to like it, but I got it from Tucker Carlson.
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And I'm like, well, you're not going to like this, but Tucker Carlson is on Vladimir Putin's payroll. And there is just a portion of the population that we're all going to have to deal with. They like the lies. And it's a bigger, bigger, bigger portion.
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Before you came on, I showed a clip of Donald Trump just yesterday taking a victory lap because he believes, Senator Klobuchar, that his approval rating is 71% or 69%. He gave, he quoted two things, which this tells me in our listener that he still has the people that run around with him that making picture books like he did when he was on his felony trial.
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So you can sift through those because they have to limit his screen time, much like people have to limit their children's screen time. So if they're trying to limit reality from him, then we have to ask ourselves, Senator, who is in charge? And we all know, and you have access to a lot more tea than we do that. Musk was having chit-chats with Putin over the last couple of years.
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We know that Peter Thiel has completely fully indoctrinated the Vice President of the United States, J.D. Vance, who's been nothing short of an abject disappointment. And it feels like to everybody that now Donald Trump is the puppet and these oligarchs are in charge. So my question to you, and teeing that up, is number one, How do we address?
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And as a politician, you're going to have to address that a lot of your constituents like trafficking in misinformation and disinformation. They like it. They have an appetite for it because it feeds something in them that we need to deal with as a country. And number two, what the hell are we going to do about Elon Musk?
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Yesterday's running around with a chainsaw, clearly tripping on something with sunglasses on, acting like a nut at CPAC, a total And we remember what happened when Obama wore a tan suit. I'm surprised Fox News lived through that.
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Senator Klobuchar, I like your optimism. I have a feeling that we need to be a kryptonite wall against them, that the days of bipartisanship are over. We are in a very dark era and just are kind of, we're on the ground all the time with your base and we want to see you guys F them up. We have had it up to our eyeballs. This is humiliating. It is dangerous.
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People are going to suffer and are already suffering this USAID and all of these things.
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And I mean, for me, like for them, whether they're alpha, beta, you know, Zeta, nobody ever really thinks about this except for them because they're constantly on defense. And I think that there is an argument to be made that they're suppressing something more. And it's not that there's some attack on white men, but they live in this really delusional world.
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Senator Klobuchar, keep fighting the good fight. And remember when they are trying to do, want something out of you, remember all of these people surrounding the President of the United States are doing Heil Hitler salutes. And we have to stand firm against this. This is a big moment in history. We're here for you. You're welcome to come on our podcast. Anytime. Great.
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And I want to play for you this clip of the, uh, President of the United States, convicted felon Donald Trump. This is just yesterday.
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We particularly would love to do a little gossip about your coworkers. If you want to do that as therapy, if you don't want to go to the container store, we have a lot of questions about like Ted Cruz and some of the others, but that would just be a girl talk gossip hour. So just let us know.
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That's what, okay. Listen up, you guys. When we interviewed Barack Obama, I'm so nervous. This was at the DNC when we had Hope.
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When Hope was still alive. And so we're sitting there and I'm like freaking out. I'm like looking at him going, that's Barack Obama. And we're like, I mean, he's like closer to me than Pump says right now. And I go, so Barack Obama. I mean, you wanted to die. I was just like, I still think about it from time to time.
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Yeah. So, you know, I think we, let's just do a quick post show. You know, I, I hear her say, cause what she has to do is go to the Senate and do things and she has to go there and in her mind, like I'll work with them where we can. This is the part where maybe it's because I'm not a Senator or maybe I'm just a cynical twat. Both are possible.
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But my thing is when you see people doing Heil Hitler salutes, we saw Steve Bannon do one yesterday. We saw Musk do it at the inauguration. The president, Donald Trump, has never come out and said, we don't have space for this. I'm not going to allow this. We see the White House doing ASMR videos about capturing illegal immigrants. It's relaxing watching them get shipped off.
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And we see the cruelty. My stance is, fuck you. I'm not working with you on jack shit until you get Elon Musk the fuck out of here and and reconcile all this Nazism. Fuck you, I'm not doing one thing with you. But that's probably why I'm not a senator. That's what I was going to say.
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Well, I think in many ways what they did last night was they put these people on record for their votes, and This is a fact. Donald Trump has created more national debt than any other president ever. 25% of the national debt was incurred by his first term. Everything else that he's wanting to do is only going to add more debt.
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Okay. So I think that you remember when he was during his felony trial, he had somebody just print out positive news articles for him because he wasn't allowed screen time like a toddler. And he would go through his notebook and just read positive articles about himself. I think that they just make stuff now. They probably have, the White House has a Photoshopper that says, approval rating 71.
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One of the things that Elon Musk hasn't slashed at all is the interest payments on all of this debt. And yeah, he's cut this, he's cut that, he's barely cut anything. Right. all he's done is harm people, but they will be adding trillions more dollars in debt so that all of the wealthiest of the wealthy in the United States of America can get more of a tax break.
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And meanwhile, fleecing, fleecing working class Americans who in large numbers voted for Trump, which is just horrible and embarrassing and just.
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Another poll is 69 because he's all about metrics. Right. And they put it in his notebook to keep screen time away from him. Because I think what's so scary right now is I think he's the puppet. I think we, Donald Trump, we were all so fearful of him. I'm now more fearful of the force behind him.
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I think he's a Trojan horse because the fact that he's getting up there and saying that tells me that he's surrounded by people that are just feeding him bullshit. Right.
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because you know what i think about like what what is the essence of masculinity you could answer this in so many different ways but when i think about me and my guy friends we really like to tell jokes to one another okay so here's what i have to say about this i've never seen such a defensive group of people about something they're constantly having to defend their masculinity and he talks about men feeling like they have to suppress
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Wait, Elon Musk yesterday at CPAC. To say he's organized and on task, we're watching like somebody completely spiral with a chainsaw and sunglasses, and he's barely able to put together sentences. Maybe like a year ago or two years ago, he was more together presenting.
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But what I'm seeing lately out of him is he's basically gaslighting the American public, picking fights with astronauts that are far more educated and smart than he is.
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running around inside with sunglasses on, tripping balls on ketamine with a chainsaw to try to detract from the fact that he is robbing the United States of America and trying to get the people whom he's robbing to be mad at the very agencies that help them or keep them safe. So I don't know that Elon Musk can be in the organized position anymore, but I do think he's surrounded by
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scarily, and we'll ask Senator Klobuchar when she gets on here, Putin, which I think he's organized. I think he's played a couple decades long game to the United States. I think Peter Thiel controls J.D. Vance in the exact same manner that Elon Musk controls Donald Trump.
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Every morning, the happiest person in Trump's America is Vladimir Putin. Absolutely. And the fact that all of these national security Republicans like Marco Rubio, now I understand why Trump called him little Marco. I get it. I totally get it because he knew that he could own him. He knew that he could control him.
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I remember when Marco Rubio first took the national stage, he offered the speech after one of Obama's State of the Union. And all of the conservatives were like, oh, my God, this is our guy. He's going to be the next big Republican candidate. And as he's given this speech, he has like really bad dry mouth. And he keeps reaching over for this Poland Springs water and like downing it.
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Welcome to IHIP News. We are live today. Pumps and I are in studio. There's a lot, a lot to cover. Later on in a few minutes, we are going to have Senator Amy Klobuchar join us. Cory Booker had a scheduling conflict. Obviously, there's a lot going on at his job. But I want to show you all and Pumps a clip from J.D. Vance yesterday, and then I want us to dissect it. Play the clip.
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But he's trying to keep his face on the camera. This guy has been face planning for decades. And it's no surprise that he ended up with the most incompetent, dangerous people on the planet. I could tell from that water speech that it wasn't going to end well for little Marco. Kylie, is Senator Klobuchar here yet? Not yet. She'll be here shortly. Okay. Let us know when she gets in. All right.
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Let's look at some comments from some YouTube lives. Seth, can you pop any comments up? Rubio says, Is a wet disgrace. He totally is storm rising. Marco Rubio is a total disgrace. Lil Marco. Let's see. Rubio is going to crack. He's in way too deep, Caroline. I completely agree. I agree too. He looks like a little hostage trotting around. And you know he thought State Department diplomat. Right.
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I'm going to be doing cool stuff with cool people. I'm going to be respected. And then he walks into this meeting in Saudi Arabia and gets hustled by these former KGB agents that own him before he even took his first breath of oxygen in that room.
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Yeah. So somebody asked me in here if I'm still sick. I'm finally feeling better. There's no question in Trump's America, I've been unable to kick this. My voice is still hoarse, but it's because I'm just here fighting for democracy with you all every day. Let's see what else we have here. MAGA is uneducated. Nancy says that. Yeah, totally. I completely agree with that.
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their masculinity. And I want to make the argument that J.D. Vance is a failed drag queen. Put up the image. Okay. I think what he's suppressing are his feminine instincts. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. You know, we know that he is dying to pop a smoky eye. And so show the eyeliner. So I think the only thing this man is suppressing is his inner drag queen.
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MultiStacker says changing shopping habits is effective money talks. I completely agree with her on that. And I saw that Target's most recent sales report has dramatically decreased since they stopped their DEI. And I've seen a lot of stuff on social media about people boycotting Target. And so I agree with this commenter. Joanne says, what happens to Musk if Trump is gone?
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This is a great question. And I think about this all the time, Joanne, because I feel like then they put J.D. Vance, and I feel like J.D. Vance would still be owned by the same oligarchy that is owning Trump right now.
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Let me tell you this. So when I'm not a podcaster, I have been an interior designer for over 25 years. I get about four to five emails per day from vendors that are doing a pre-price hike that will be effective March 15th. And it says, due to the potential impact tariffs. And basically, the business is not being on stable footing economically because of the potential of tariffs.
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Because even American-made furniture, some of the parts, if the furniture is made in America, come from Mexico, come from Canada, come from overseas. A lot of parts come from China. So there's already a 20% price hike in the interior design world, which affects home building. We have a housing crisis. I think we're going to see inflation through the roof.
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So just his talk about tariffs, having them taking him away, tweeting about him, talking about him, press conference, it is going to completely, any sort of inflation mitigation that Biden was doing, which was effective, which was the best in the world post-COVID, it's gone now. We have the senator. Oh, my gosh. Right. Hey, hello, Senator Klobuchar. How are you?
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It looks good. I think you did a great job stacking the books with the bowl. Senator Klobuchar, we're all freaking out. Let's really have a talk about this. We're all watching this. We're watching Marco Rubio, your former Senate colleague, looks like a hostage. He looks like he was completely hustled by these two former KGB agents in Saudi Arabia.
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Trump is out there lying left and right, spouting Putin propaganda, pro-Kremlin talking points. It feels like we are going to be allies with Russia and China and that we're going to abandon NATO. What do you think about that?
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and his strong desire to go from eyeliner to a full-blown sexy smoky eye. Because the amount of energy that the right wing and that MAGA men have to spend on defense, they don't play offense. They're constantly having to defend their masculinity. When they are, you know, I look at JD Vance, I can see that he's a man. It doesn't enter my mind if he's super manly or not manly enough. It's just,
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I didn't even know that Victoria was lit on fire in the apartment. He claims all he knew was he went to sleep, woke up, and Jessica, his cousin, is freaking attacking him. He said this was a completely normal night. They came home. They made tacos for dinner. Well, Michelle made tacos. Everybody else ate the tacos, minus Victoria. They thought she was sleeping. That's what he claims.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And then eventually, Michelle and Fabian, the couple, they go into the bedroom and they fall asleep. Around 140 a.m., they wake up to a pair of eyeballs staring at them, just staring into the depths of their soul. Do you believe in Jesus? He's like, Jessica, what are you doing? Why are you talking about Jesus at 140 in the morning? You don't even go to church. You just got out of prison.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Jessica's standing, I have your phones, by the way. She's holding her hands behind her back, but it looks like she's got more than just their phones. I said, do you believe in Jesus? Michelle wakes up and she says, yeah, I do, which I don't know why you're responding.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Some people say those two things are almost similar. They work in different ways for different purposes, obviously. But hypnotism, being open to suggestion, and false confessions leading someone to believe that something has happened that has not happened are kind of in the same vein. confess to something that you've never done? A false confession?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Jessica smiles and says, okay, then you first, bitch, and slams a metal iron over her head, then goes to Fabian and starts slamming the metal pipe, if you will, down on his head. And Fabian's like, I don't know. I just ran out of the apartment because my cousin is trying to murder me. And then you guys showed up. Then you're telling me that Victoria's dead, dismembered in the apartment.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I didn't know that.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And they see Michelle and Fabian just wounded everywhere. Oh, because they just got attacked by... Yeah, and then they're like, hey, my daughter's still in the unit. Michelle is like, my daughter's still in the unit, can you go get my daughter?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
They run up to the unit, Jessica slams the door, she breaks her ankle, they go in, they search the entire place for the 10-year-old, and she was found in the bathtub.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Fabian went to a neighbor who called the police. Michelle also escaped and went to a different neighbor to call the police.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Fabian denies knowing anything that has been happening to Victoria. He said he came home and Jessica was like, Victoria went to sleep because she had a rough day and I was babysitting all day. And he also says, by the way, I would never do anything to Victoria. He says, I love her and she loves me. Now, to be clear, Victoria knew Fabian for approximately 24 minutes. I mean, maybe a few months.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
That's being a little dramatic. And most of the time that she knew him, he was likely high out of his mind on meth. I think even saying... that she liked him would be a tad bit too generous. But to say that she loved him, I mean, it's kind of unclear what deluded planet Fabian lives on. Maybe the same one as Stefan Stearns from the Maddie Soto case.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
But Fabian continues, because how do you know Victoria loved you after living with her mother for, I don't know, two business days? He says, she loved me, you know? She would always, you know what I mean? She would always be like, hey, Fabian. And we'd always smile. But to make matters more alarming, he continues, that's how I am with kids, you know? Victoria's real active.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She's real cool, you know what I mean? She's all grown up, you know, for her age, you know? No, we don't know. And that's very alarming. She's 10. How can she be all grown up? We don't know. But he further continues that he absolutely was not involved. He says again, she loved me. I loved her. I showed up at the apartment after running errands with Michelle. We ate tacos.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I went to sleep and then I got attacked. That's pretty much it. Eventually, the police cracked down and they said they're... There's no way that's what happened because you at least you're telling me someone right there. And this is not like the most soundproof apartment building. You're hearing things. You can hear your neighbor from the next unit over.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Somebody is severing the limbs off of another person and you don't hear anything. You don't hear a ruckus, nothing. Someone's going around getting a ladder, standing up on chairs, taking off the smoke detectors. You don't hear a beep, a single sound. He says, you know what? I did see some dismembering. He says, I seen Jessica cut her up. But Jessica was threatening me.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Now he's saying, I don't know how Victoria died. I just saw my cousin dismembering her. He says, she just kept threatening me that I'm going to get killed, just like she's going to kill Michelle. So I seen Jessica do it, okay? I was scared for retaliation, okay? She just got out of prison. I didn't want her to come for me and threaten my family. But I did not help her dismember the body. I did not.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Usually these people have poor memory, high levels of anxiety, low self-esteem, low assertiveness, conflict avoidance, and the eagerness to please people. People with these traits combined They are more easily influenced by authority figures. They're more vulnerable to interrogation pressure. Now you add in the situational factors. They've been left in this interrogation room for many two hours.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I just saw her stabbing at her, cutting her like...
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
weird like crazy she was like going crazy like jesus told me to do this like saying weird things like that me and michelle were stopping jessica no no no stop but we didn't stop it because we were scared the authorities say i mean it needs to be explained because she couldn't be doing all of that by herself she the strength that he says no no no she was doing all that fucking shit by herself her strength he said that he came home and he saw his cousin you know dismembering
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
yes the daughter and and then they went to sleep yes yeah okay yeah yeah that makes so much sense yeah exactly and he says no no her strength is real crazy okay but that still doesn't make sense why would jessica even attack you that night then none of this is making any sense authorities go back to jessica and they say so why did you attack your cousin and michelle
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And she says, well, they were all going to blame it on me. I knew they were plotting it. See, this man came in, this well-dressed man came in, essayed and killed Victoria and then left and then was like, I'm going to kill you if you do anything. I'm going to kill you. So you got to dispose of Victoria's body. And then, you know, Michelle and Fabian come home.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I tell them what happened and they say, OK, well, we just have to dispose of her body. But I felt like they were going to pin it on me. So I just had to get rid of them, too. So I was going to try to kill them.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
So she attacks them in the middle of the night and then the police are called. These are Jessica and Fabian's stories. For Michelle, the police have a little bit more hope because this is still her daughter at the end of the day. So if anybody has any incentive to come clean just to get some sort of justice and let Victoria rest in peace, it might be Michelle.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
In front of Michelle, there's a female officer wearing a plaid shirt sitting across from her. Another male officer is sitting a little bit off in the corner. He looks distant, but he's fully engaged. The officer in front of Michelle, she reaches her hand out and they're holding it across the table. Her voice is kind of nurturing.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
michelle what did you guys decide to do with your daughter with victoria your baby girl this is your 10 year old daughter victoria what did you guys decide to do they put her in the bathtub okay what happened then you were there you saw and you watched is that right yeah they said if i said anything they kept threatening me that if i said anything that i'll be the next one jessica stabbed her in the stomach
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Michelle starts crying. She explains that she doesn't really know what was going on. All she knew was that when she got home, she thought Victoria had gone into her room to sleep. She ate dinner with her boyfriend, Fabian, and Fabian's cousin, Jessica, who she barely knows, who just was staying with her.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And afterwards, she was heading to bed when she sees Jessica stabbing Michelle's little daughter, Victoria. Michelle is like, I saw Jessica stabbing my kid in the stomach. Then Jessica holds down Victoria's arms and Fabian walks over with a knife and starts cutting off Victoria's arms. By this point, Victoria is already deceased. You're saying Jessica was stabbing her in the stomach? Why?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I don't know. It's just like they were taking turns. So you guys, or you watch, but Jessica and Fabian cut your daughter up. Victoria, they cut her arms off. They cut her leg off. They cut her from her collarbone to her belly button, just down the middle. Victoria, your daughter, they cut her from here to here and you just watch, right?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And when you saw this, you didn't call the cops because you were afraid because you had drugs in the house. That and that they were going to kill me right there on the spot. And what did Jessica tell you about how Victoria died? She told me she didn't know how she died. Michelle goes through multiple variations of events that night.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Too many two hours. Sleep deprivation, fatigue, drug, alcohol withdrawal, extreme stress. They could easily give a false confession. They could be nudged, pushed, led. It's a very real thing that will mess up so many trials because someone is victimized. Obviously, they need to get justice.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
At first, she says she has no clue how Victoria, her 10 year old daughter, ends up dead. She states that when she got home, she saw Victoria alive and well and thought she went to her room to sleep. Then she changes the story and says, I actually never saw her alive and well. I thought she was just asleep in her room.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Then she states that Victoria took meth that was left out on the coffee table and then died of an overdose and then they were all freaking out. So she changes it multiple times. Her first few variations of the story include Victoria dying and being dismembered by Jessica and Fabian.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
she doesn't do anything because she's terrified to call the police they're threatening her she can't do anything she just goes to sleep until she wakes up with jessica in her face asking her if she believes in god and then slamming a tire iron between her eyes that's what she says but what's unsettling is that in these variations she says that after she watches these two her boyfriend fabian and fabian's cousin jessica dismember little victoria
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
The police ask her, what did you do right after you saw that? I went to the kitchen and I was getting ready to make dinner. So I made the tacos. And then Fabian took over after he was finished with Victoria. The police have to get this straight. After you guys cut the arms off of Victoria, cut her leg off and wrapped her in a blanket and put her in the bathtub, right?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Then you went and made dinner. What did Fabian and Jessica do? I don't know, they were acting like nothing ever happened. She said, Fabian and Jessica just start cleaning up blood while she makes dinner. Okay, so you go and make dinner and they are cleaning. What happens after that? Once I did the dinner, I go in my room and I eat. Okay, so you eat and I only ate like one taco.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Well, because you were probably sick to your stomach. Yeah, so then I put the other one in the fridge. The police are not happy with Michelle's version of events. There's just too much missing. Like even you look confused and the police are looking confused. Like none of this even makes sense. Like what you're saying, this train of thought, these trains of actions, these don't feel normal.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Too many things are missing. What do you mean you're making dinner for everyone? I'm sorry, you only had one taco. How did you go to sleep after this? How do you fall asleep? To her defense, she says, we had tacos with beef and potatoes and sour cream.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
okay she's like now stating all of this but they don't even just go to sleep according to michelle per this specific interview she states that after dinner after watching her daughter get dismembered she and fabian have intimate relations the authorities come in and out of this interrogation room because they keep going back they keep getting more intel they go to fabian they come in
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
and out of Michelle's interrogation room and when they come back the second time, they're angry. The female officer sits down. By the way, I'm saying female officer because there happens to be one female officer and one male officer in the room. It's not because I think I have to put a woman's gender.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Anyway, I saw some people getting upset about some of that discourse, but it just makes it easier to differentiate.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
But if someone claims that they falsely confessed or they actually did falsely confess, that makes it trickier to get justice. And that is exactly what Michelle Martins is saying happened to her. She's like, that was a false confession. She claims that she did not mean a single thing that she said. She takes it all back.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Michelle, I'm going to ask you one question, and it's a very serious question. Who was R-wording your daughter? Who was S-saying your daughter? Who was it, Michelle? Because you knew about it. Michelle looks confused. Her eyebrows are raised. That was my ex-boyfriend. That's why I got rid of him. Your ex-boyfriend was assaulting your eight-year-old son as well?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Not that I know of because my son is barely with me. He's mostly with his dad. The officer looks her straight in the eye. When did you find out that Fabian and Jessica were being, quote, sexually active with your daughter? When did you find out? And be honest. Not too long ago. So how much meth were they giving her so that they would essay her?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
So now they're saying, we know that Fabian and Jessica were giving Victoria methamphetamines to calm her down so that they could assay her. Michelle says quite a few times they would just sprinkle it in her mouth. How did she die last night while she was being assaulted? How did she die? The meth. No, meth is not what killed her. The meth probably contributed to it.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
We know for a fact the meth is not what killed her. How did she die, Michelle? Okay, you know what? Let's go back. When did you find out that Fabian was having intimate relations with your daughter, Victoria? How long ago? Just recently? Maybe a couple days ago? Two days ago? And when did you find out that Jessica was also sexually abusing your daughter? Were they doing this together? No. Yes.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
How did you find out about it? Did you walk in on it? It's okay. I need to know. Michelle starts crying. Yeah, they were both on top of her. They were both on your daughter. So two days ago, you find out that there are wording your daughter. Am I right? Okay. So how would they do it? When I'm out at work. But how? Was last night the first time that she had meth?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
As far as I know, as far as I've seen. So you watch them give her meth. How did they give her the meth? When she is sitting on the couch watching TV. And does it make it easier for her or does it make it easier for them so she doesn't fight back? What does the meth do to your daughter? It calms her down. It calms her down so that they can have intimate relations with her. Yeah.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Okay, so while they're having intimate relations with her, how do they kill her? And I don't want to hear because of the meth again. How do they kill her, Michelle? How do they kill Victoria? Yeah. By stabbing her. Are you guessing? Are you telling me that? Because you were in the room while she was being sexually assaulted. You were there. Did you participate? No.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
You just watched because you were there. You were there when your daughter was being sexually assaulted. You were there. Where were you? In my bedroom. And where were Fabian and Jessica? I thought they were out on the balcony having a cigarette, but they weren't. How did you participate? I don't think that you assaulted your daughter. Did you help hold her down?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
No, you and I appreciate you being honest about Jessica and Fabian and what they've done. The only thing you're not being honest about is your involvement. So when Jessica and Fabian were in the room sexually assaulting your daughter, what part did you take in the act? I let them do it, which I shouldn't have.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Were you having intimate relations with Fabian or Jessica while they were having intimate relations with your daughter? No. Did you have intimate relations with Fabian after he had intimate relations with your daughter? Yeah.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Yeah, she said that her boyfriend, Fabian, was essaying her 10-year-old daughter, Victoria. So Michelle's 10-year-old daughter is Victoria and Michelle's boyfriend is Fabian. She's saying this adult man was essaying my 10-year-old daughter. She says she let it happen because... She did derive a sick and twisted pleasure of viewing the heinous acts. She got off on observing, okay?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She also confesses that during the past year alone, she's had multiple men come over to force feed her nine-year-old daughter methamphetamines, Z-Quil to calm her down so that they could essay her while she watches, she facilitates and watches all the assaults. Many times these men would essay her children and then immediately have intimate relations with her afterwards.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I mean, to fulfill some sort of depraved, only existing in the deep, dark pits of hell type of fantasy. And she says Fabian was one of those depraved humans that moved in solely for Victoria. And he and his cousin Jessica were both essaying Victoria that night. They fed her meth to keep her more compliant because it, quote, calms her down.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And then as Fabian was assaulting Victoria, Jessica was watching on the side and holding Victoria down. Fabian covers Victoria's mouth and neck and manually strangles her until she dies. during the assault. Afterwards, they dismember Victoria and threaten Michelle. That is what Michelle is saying.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
But that still doesn't explain why she's cooking dinner, why she's having intimate relations with Fabian, why she only eats one taco, why she goes to sleep. What does she have to say about that? She just says, I should have stopped it. That's her response. But so much of this story doesn't even make sense. The police keep pushing.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And they're able to elicit all of these very specific details from Michelle. They ask her, where did Fabian reach the destination, if you will, on her stomach? Was your daughter saying anything during all of this? She's saying, stop, stop. What was Jessica saying? Just shut up. What was Fabian saying? He wasn't really saying much. He was just doing that. And you just stood there and you watched.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
You just let them do this to your daughter. I should have stopped it. How long after he did this to your daughter did he have intimate relations with you? 15 to 20 minutes. How long was Victoria alive after she was R-worded? Or was she dead after she was R-worded? Did they kill her then during the R-wording? I need to know. Yes, when they R-worded her. Were you clothed? I was clothed.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Was Jessica clothed or was she naked? She had her top off. But Fabian, you said, had his shorts on with his private parts exposed. Yeah, he had his pants pulled down but no shirt on. Was Victoria naked? Yeah, Fabian took off her pants and Jessica took off her shirt.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
The police ask where Victoria's underwear went, which side note, the search of the house does show that her underwear was found inside of a laundry basket with blood on them. And she says that it's because Fabian fully essayed her daughter and that's why they had blood. They keep questioning her. How long have you been essaying your daughter? I never essayed my daughter.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
How long have you been inviting men into your house to essay your daughter? The only two that I know of is David and these two. Okay, but you allowed it. I kicked David out when I found out. And then these two. What did David do to your daughter? He was like trying to kiss her on the lips and stuff like that. He tried to put his fingers down there. Did he R word your daughter?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
No, I took her and got her tested and all came out negative. And did you report it to the police? Yes, I did. Michelle, you have been bringing men to your apartment to use your daughter and sexually assault your daughter. This is not the first time that this has happened. This is not the first time your daughter has been R worded.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
You were allowing men to have intimate relations with your daughter and then in turn having intimate relations with you. Help me understand that. What did you get out of that? Is this a turn on for you? The reason we're sitting here today, Michelle, is that it went a little bit further than it has ever gone before. This time she died.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
You weren't ready for these types of animals that these people were, and it went further than you anticipated. So how many times did what happened last night, minus her dying, how many times have you watched that you know that Fabian and Jessica had intimate relations with your daughter? Like three times. They go on to keep pressing her.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
But that specific night, things were a little bit different. Michelle says her boyfriend Fabian was on top of Victoria as saying her. And Fabian's female cousin was also present in the room. And she was joining in on the assault.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And she mentions that they had it almost every single night since Fabian moved in, he was essaying Victoria. Then every single night that Jessica moved in, both of them were essaying Victoria. Prior to that, her ex-boyfriend, David, was essaying Victoria.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Her story keeps on changing, yes, but it's very interesting because a lot of netizens are conflicted on how they feel about this false confession. Some people believe that it's a completely false confession, but most netizens believe that the essay part might be true.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
oh like all these specific yes like there's maybe some truths in some of these lies yeah yeah and then even with um but what is a lie right now we don't know right we don't know we do know that she was essayed at least once prior to prior to her death and likely the day of her death but we don't know how many times by how many people
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
For example, the autopsy for Victoria was rough considering she's been so badly dismembered after her passing. Both of her arms had been cut off and severed. Her leg was partially severed. Her torso had been cut from the collarbone down towards her belly button.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Her heart, parts of her liver were removed and they were all placed in separate plastic bags and some of them are placed inside of a laundry basket. In a separate plastic container, they find Victoria's arms and her heart, and for her cause of death, the autopsy reads, Miss Victoria Martens died as a result of manual strangulation. The manner of her death is best classified as homicide.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
There's a few other things in the autopsy that we'll bring up, but it's not definitive that she was assayed, but there are a few things. Like she had blood in her private regions. There was slight tearing of her rectum. There were all these things that made it seem like, okay, perhaps she was assayed. Maybe it wasn't a...
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
The way a lot of people describe it in like the, even if you go into the police reports, which we FOIA'd for this, it's not, they say maybe it was perhaps not full penetration, but there was SA involved. Because there wasn't as much tearing to indicate. So it's just, it's very difficult to say. So with this confession, immediately, right off the bat, all three of them are thrown in prison.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Naturally. They're thrown in jail. They're charged with Victoria's murder. Which, side note, Michelle is so shocked when she's charged with her own daughter's murder. It's kind of crazy.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Yeah, the boyfriend's cousin. So Fabian is the boyfriend.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Yes, because also, I mean, she's found in the bathtub. It just doesn't make sense that they don't know what's going on.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Yeah. Michelle is looking at one of the detectives like he just betrayed her. And he straight up tells her, I mean, the fact that you're shocked that you're going to jail means that I can't even have a conversation with you about these charges. Like it's, you are not comprehending anything. Somehow, Fabian remains confident that he will be getting out.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Jessica, on the other hand, is getting pissed off by all of this. In one recorded jailhouse phone call, Jessica tells her friend, I wish I knew what the fuck I was getting myself into, dog. She claims she was not on meth that night. She says, I wish I would have been fucked up. I wasn't even like, I was like, fucking no, I'm not doing no shots. And then, you know, this happened.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Oh, they're both like in their 30s. So not only are we talking child predators, child assault, but incest. The cousin's name is Jessica. And instead of being disgusted by what's going on, Michelle is just watching. She's watching all of this happen to her little 10-year-old daughter. And she's asked, okay, but how did they kill her after that assault?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
The friend is like, and then your cousin, bro. What the fuck was he thinking? Shit, I don't know, dude. I don't get high to go fuck, dude. I get high to tweak. To which Jessica is also on the phone with her mom and her mom is clearly also unhinged. She tells Jessica on the phone, maybe God had you there to expose Fabian. I think that's what it is.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Fabian, on the other hand, is talking on the phone with a girlfriend of his. I don't know how he has a girlfriend, but he has a girlfriend. He's on the phone with his girlfriend. I thought Fabian's girlfriend is... I mean, after that confession, I think they broke up and he made a new girlfriend whilst behind bars. He says, I know I'm going home. I'm not even worried.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Just lift your eyesight up as if someone is dangling a little mistletoe on top of your head and you need to look up at it without moving your entire skull. Just look as high as you can. Now, once your eyes are in that position, close your eyes. Did your eyelids, as they're coming down, did you feel any sort of fluttering in your eyelids? Or did they come down as smooth as garage doors?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Sometimes I just get discouraged because I'm still here. I already knew I was going to be able to go home. I just didn't think it was going to take this long.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
fabian and his mom also just like jessica and her mom they blame the other cousins fabian's mom says about jessica it's awful that you can't trust everybody but you can't son you can't he agrees you can't i know you know especially if that someone is from your family you know what i mean you would think that you could you know what i mean that is wild they're all related yeah and their moms all behave in this way and the moms are probably what siblings
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
They're either like in, it could be, you know, the dad. But still, they're all related. Fabian tells his mom that regardless, when he gets out, he's going to take her to the salon so that she could get a massage. And he even tells his girlfriend, soon I'll be home, guys. Soon. I love you guys. So why the hell do both of them think that they're going to be home anytime soon? June 29th, 2018.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
This is two years after Victoria's murder. The new DA, Raul Torres, he takes office and he holds a press conference. So by this point, since 2016, this was one of the more high profile cases in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Everyone and their entire genetic lineage at this point believed that Fabian and Jessica had essayed Victoria while Michelle was watching, then dismembered her and then lit her on fire. But the DA says the authorities fumbled the ball. They say, first, we found no meth in Victoria's system. Part of the story was that they force-fed Victoria meth to calm her down so that they could essay her.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
There was no meth.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She claims Michelle is lying. It was a man that did this. An unknown man that did this. That that that that essayed and killed Victoria. And then the dismembering. Yeah. It seems like Jessica and Fabian did that.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Because she felt like her cousin was not going to believe the other man's story and just blame it all on Jessica. Because she was technically the only one home with Victoria.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
okay so she's trying to kill them yeah she's like i know it's very hard i think like the more you try to reason with their logic the more you're going to be confused because there is no reasoning with their logic so she's like oh i didn't kill her i would never kill someone this random man came in and killed her but because now everyone's gonna think i killed her i have to kill two more people to make sure that they don't think that i killed her that's her logic
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
It's like the most crazy logic. But the authorities say, first of all, there is no meth in Victoria's system. Second of all, Fabian and Michelle were not home during Victoria's time of death. They might have been home during the dismemberment. It's very hard to say because it's a very closed window. But they were not home when Victoria was killed. Third of all, they found partial DNA...
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Michelle, how did they kill your daughter that night? You were there. You watched it. Michelle is sitting there in front of these two people and she's got tears just streaming down her cheeks. You saw it. How did they kill your daughter? A little sob escapes her mouth by essaying her. Explain that to me because I don't understand. He essayed her so hard that she died?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
a unknown male DNA on the back of Victoria. This could be saliva. It could be sweat. It doesn't seem to be any sort of male fluids. It seems like saliva or sweat, but it's a partial DNA and they ran it through the system. They can't find a match.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And Fabian's DNA was not on Victoria that day. So they say this version of events that Michelle gave cannot be true. It cannot be true.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
He says, I recognize that these revelations are not consistent with the public's perception of what happened to Victoria Martens, but I want to share this information with you to help the community understand where this case is going and ultimately assist in the apprehension of everyone involved in this horrific crime. Right now, the only suspect to Victoria's murder is the unknown male DNA.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
All three of them, their charges get decreased from murder to child abuse. And like tampering with evidence. And Jessica, obviously assault, aggravated assault.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And everyone freaks out. Now, Michelle's attorney jumps on this and states, the interrogation, the confession was false. It was a false confession. Michelle's attorney states, Michelle does not function at the same level most of us do. These are his quotes. She spent most of her life saying things to people, please.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
So if you ask her something, she's going to respond in a way that she thinks that you like. He states that she confessed due to her people-pleasing, pushover personality traits and the fact that she has a lower than normal IQ. She has a hard time saying no or asserting herself.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
One person that allegedly used to work with Michelle wrote online, As someone who worked in retail with Michelle 11 years ago, I can vouch that she has a pretty low IQ. I would estimate it's around 90. Very simple-minded. To which some netizens, they watch the interrogation footage and they believe, yeah, this seems like a false confession. Everything is kind of being spoon-fed to her.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
So they'll insinuate, no, there's no way that happened because you were in the room. And then her story evolves from there. It seems like she's taking whatever they're saying and then adding upon it or saying, yes, you're actually right. Or let me change that. You're right. This was what happened, right? They're saying it feels like she's leading all the questions, the female detective.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She's holding her hand, guiding her to say all of these things. Some people say that they're almost following an instruction manual to the T on how to elicit a false confession. They're holding her hand. They're comforting her. They're putting her guard down, mother to mother. They're firmly re-guiding her to new answers when they don't accept the ones that she's given.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
They consistently say, why are you lying? No, I don't want to hear it. You're lying to us. No, you're lying. Which I will say watching it, it is not the most aggressive interrogation I've seen. I would like to say that Maddie Soto's, the Jennifer Soto interrogation is more aggressive than this one. This is not that aggressive at all.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
In fact, it's pretty soft, but I can see how people are pointing out these leading questions. The level of, it wasn't particularly shocking in the aggression, but maybe the words that they were using. were a little more leading.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I think the general sentiment is that she is a heinous mother. She is likely doing meth. She's bringing in all these strange men into her house because she does seem to be obsessed with boyfriends when they talk to neighbors. She's obsessed with boyfriends, does not put her kids first, does not value the safety of her kids. I mean, you don't bring in a man.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Again, these are direct quotes. He covered her mouth with tape. This is your baby girl, 10-year-old Victoria, who is being held down on the bed so that an adult man can R-word her. You are the only one that is going to be able to tell us how she died because you were there. You were there watching it. How did she die? She sits in silence, thinking, crying, trying to catch her breath.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Fabian, she met on plentyoffish.com, a dating website, moved him in after a month of talking to him online with her two kids. Eight-year-old Matthew was not in the house. He was at his dad's house when all this happened, thankfully. But... She's a very bad mom. At one point, Victoria was sexually assaulted. She does have HPV. She does seem like she had gone through a lot of trauma.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
However, there's no proof that she was online trying to look for men to assault her kids. In fact, every time someone assaulted her kids, she would call the police.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
That's where a lot of conspiracies happen. So her ex-boyfriend had tried to kiss Victoria and tried to touch her private parts. She kicked him out of the house and called the police. The police came and told her straight up he tried to kiss her is not a crime because he's just trying. Like attempting to kiss a child is not a crime. And the police did nothing.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
So now a lot of people believe that the police are almost covering up for themselves because they think that if this goes into discovery and the attorney, Michelle's defense attorney, comes out and is like, look at everything Michelle did and then look at this interrogation. They're leading her to all this. They could be in a lot of big trouble.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
So they're getting ahead of it and saying, this was a false confession. Those two officers are crazy for that. But the system is not broken. Don't look at the system. These two officers are just the bad ones. They led her to a false confession. Don't look at us. Because prior to this, in the past year, she had called CPS like six times to report.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
We don't know the exact reports because those are all closed investigations. And she didn't go through a trial where that was put into evidence. However, it just seems like she was calling CPS. She does keep putting her children in dangerous situations, but she also then will call CPS and the police when something happens. So it's very confusing.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And I do think that if it had been anyone not Michelle, like look at Fabian and Jessica, they don't succumb to the interrogation tactics. I didn't see it as like so alarming, but that's also what's so insidious about false confessions.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Most people, when they look at it, they're like, well, I would never say anything, but it takes a very specific person in a very specific environment for them to falsely confess to something. It was pretty insidious. Like if there are so many people who only saw the interrogation tape, did not do any research into the case, they don't think that that was a false confession.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
They just think like she's the world's worst mom. And she might as well be. She could be. I'm not debating that. I think she's, honestly, I think she could stand to be in jail for the rest of her life. I think that would be great because she still let this happen to her daughter. Mm-hmm. I think that makes her despicable. I think she's bringing men around. She's doing meth.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Don't do this if you're driving or operating any sort of heavy machinery. If you are in a safe place, preferably not in motion, do this. Keep your head as if you're staring at something in front of you at eye level. So straight ahead. Do not move your head at any point until I tell you to. Keep your chin down. Do not physically lift your head up.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She's exposing her children to this. She's putting her own frivolous, shitty dating life above her own kids. And I think that's really gross and vile. And I think that she could be in jail for a very long time. But I do think that the police were asking very leading questions.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And it's just led to a lot of debates online. So the debates go something along the lines of, one comment will read, major props to the detectives. Some of the questions asked were so depraved and crazy. There's no way I could listen to her without choking the life from her. What an absolute monster. The officer showed great restraint.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Fabian's hands were around Victoria's mouth and neck because he was on top of Victoria.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
To which someone comments back, they actually fucked the whole thing up and this was considered a false confession. The evidence did not match the story either. I don't know if it was the meth use or what, but she just like agreed to all their suggestions. To which another person responds, how is that their fault though? She chose to go along with the story that made her look even worse.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She's a monster either way, but how is it their fault that she wasn't being honest that she wasn't there? Which others agree. And someone else even says, I don't think this was a completely false confession. Saying like maybe she wasn't there the day that Victoria died. She probably saw Victoria get dismembered, but maybe the assaults were taking place.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Because the amount of detail she was giving... Now, others would argue that in false confessions, you could give a lot of details. So it's very tricky. And I think the fact that this is being called a false confession... You know how we want the world to be very black and white?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
okay when he was done essaying her was she dead or alive she wasn't moving what did they do when they were done essaying her daughter and holding her by the neck they stabbed her she grabs a tissue almost like this realization dawns on her and she starts crying harder but the questions don't stop and then 20 minutes later you had intimate relations with your boyfriend did you not i did
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
So when we think of false confessions, we think of innocent people who say things that they never did and they're actually innocent. And that makes us want to raise awareness for false confessions. But what happens, because I'm sure these are most of the false confessions, when it's a very gray area, she is a shit person. And I think she's horrible. But also, maybe this is a false confession.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Like, how does that make people feel?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
So they think that morally, this was not a false confession. They think that morally, she is as corrupt as she is in the interrogation. Maybe those exact things did not happen the way that she's saying, but there must be some truth to her lies is what netizens believe. Morally, she's horrendous.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Legally, the officers did say some things and do some things that could lead to a jury questioning if the confession could be valid or not. And with the evidence not matching up.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Well, her murder, no one has been charged with her murder yet. So someone could be charged with her murder. But what are the odds that they're going to find a match to the DNA?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Yes. But that doesn't make sense either. That doesn't make sense either. That's why people think a lot of netizens think the authorities are trying to cover up all their shit. A lot of netizens think. The authorities were called consistently to check on Victoria. They don't protect Victoria. They don't do anything about it. They say, hey, this grown man tried to kiss your kid.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Sorry, that's not a crime. They do nothing. Then Victoria ends up getting murdered. They feel like they could also be on the line for it. So they just spend this, maybe there's a lot of heightened emotions. They go in, they see the crime scene. They need a story as crazy as the crime scene. They elicit this crazy story from Michelle. And it's like, hey, don't look at anything we've done.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Look at what Michelle did, which is exactly what all of New Mexico does for two years. And then a new DA comes in. And around that time, Albuquerque Police Department was going through some stuff where there were multiple cases of eliciting false confessions. So they thought, let's get ahead of this because if this goes to trial, it's probably not going to work in our favor.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
A lot of shit is going to get dug up and talked about and debated by Michelle's attorneys, by Fabian's attorneys, by everybody's attorneys. So let's just get ahead of this and say this was a false confession. We're going to charge them with this and then give Michelle and Jessica plea deals. That is the conspiracy that a lot of netizens have.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I'm not saying that the Albuquerque Police Department did anything. I'm just saying it is a little alarming when CPS does nothing to these types of phone calls. One of the reasons that netizens don't believe that Fabian and Michelle had anything to do with the deaths, which by the way, again, me saying that Michelle had nothing to do with Victoria's death, like...
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I will never in my life defend a woman like Michelle Martins. Like, never in my life. I think it would be best for society if she is locked away for a very long time. I don't even know if you can rehabilitate someone that does that to their own children, that puts them in such dangerous situations. What kind of rehabilitation can you do? That's your own offspring.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Like, you don't even care about them. How can you care about anything? So a lot of netizens believe Michelle and Fabian were not involved in Victoria's death because they were the ones calling the police. Like they went to the neighbors when they were attacked by Jessica to have the police called. Sure, Michelle, maybe the elevator does not go all the way up is what some netizens are saying.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
However, Fabian, he has been in prison like five bajillion times. Would he really risk it? Usually people that are in and out of prison to that level, they avoid law enforcement like it is the next tsunami that's going to hit. They don't call law enforcement ever. They never get them involved because with their record, law enforcement is never going to see them as a victim.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She admits that she not only watched her daughter get held down and essayed, but 20 minutes later, she had intimate relations with the man that essayed her daughter. Furthermore, she does this thing. She says she seeks out men on plentyoffish.com, on these dating websites, that'll come to her house to essay her kids so that she can watch.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
They're never going to say, oh, I'm so sorry you were attacked. They're going to be like, you probably did something and we're going to search your entire house for drugs. So we're going to lock you up again. He would not call unless he genuinely felt like he was just being attacked out of nowhere and he had nothing to do with Victoria's death. Didn't even know she was dead.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Exactly. So netizens are just going back and forth. I'm just repeating netizen sentiments. Now, the neighbors are the ones that called the police. And again, they did not call because they saw smoke billowing out of the unit, even though Victoria had just recently been lit on fire in the bathtub. They don't see any smoke yet. They call because Fabian is like slamming on their doors.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And authorities do note, netizens who also believe, again, Fabian and Michelle are not involved. This is just a netizen theory. This is not my personal belief. They believe that Michelle and Fabian are not involved. And authorities even do note that Fabian was involved in a gang-related fight two days prior. I just want to say, I think gangs, it has like the cartel effect.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
In the sense of like, I think gangs are really dangerous. Same with any sort of organized crime anywhere. They take lives. They're very dangerous. But this doesn't really seem like you can't just say gangs and then put this kind of crazy crime on them. A lot of netizens are like, yeah, gangs are really bad. Gangs do some crazy stuff. I've never heard of a gang go into the apartment and
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
s a and kill a 10 year old girl that has no biological relation to the person that they're upset with and then leave like it just they're like i don't know in what world a gang does this yeah so the connection is loose yeah and then jessica saying like he was a well-dressed mexican man Then everyone's like, like, it just feels very fictional. Like, even the act itself is fictional.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And then she's describing him as, like, organized crime mafia gang leader. Yeah. So it's like, none of this is adding up.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
now one comment reads yeah mom and boyfriend weren't home i don't think they were involved in the assault and murder honestly still not the greatest people should not have left her with jessica but yeah i think it was jessica and some unknown man another netizen brings up what is the likelihood that an unidentified male comes into the house essays and murders a 10 year old girl on her birthday which by the way the next day was victoria's birthday 10th birthday
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
All the while an adult is present who is too high on meth to properly recognize and identify the perpetrator or stop the crime from happening. It doesn't make any sense. Which is the next theory. There is an unknown man. that essayed and killed Victoria, but he was not some elusive mafia member in a well-dressed suit that came in looking for Fabian. He was invited in by Jessica.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Netizens speculate that Jessica might have sold Victoria for drugs, that she asked her drug dealer to come over and he was willing to participate in some grotesque acts against humanity. in exchange for drugs. He will give her the drugs and he will do what he wants with Victoria.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And then immediately after, she'll have intimate relations with these men.
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This seems like the more plausible theory because there have been cases where mothers themselves have sold their children in exchange for drugs. So it seems like the only difference in this theory versus the story that Jessica gave is that Jessica invites this man in and he is not an unknown aggressor. With that, people start branching off in that theory.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Maybe he gave her the drugs and then left and then Jessica realizes Victoria is going to tell someone about it. So she kills Victoria and then dismembers her. Or maybe in the process of essaying Victoria, he kills Victoria and then leaves. And now Jessica is left to panic and clean up after him, I guess. So there are two branches of that theory.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She's asked, how are these conversations starting online? How does it start and end with somebody having intimate relations with your child in your apartment? Which, by the way, they use the term intimate relations. And just so you know, anytime someone is being questioned, these types of word usage is very deliberate.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And a lot of people think this makes more sense because consider this. Knowing Fabian, I don't think that he would care at all if Victoria was essayed or killed. I don't think he cares. She was essayed and killed, likely essayed.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
killed he doesn't seem to care like it doesn't really face him if a gang member wants to come in and hurt fabian this is not the way to do it fabian also has kids of his own that stay with the children's mother this just doesn't make sense and if the point would be to frame fabian for victoria's murder and essay that wouldn't make sense because if he owes the gang money which is what jessica's story is him being in jail does not help the gang
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Others believe there is no unknown man. And if there is an unknown man, like that partial DNA, it could have just been from something else. It doesn't mean that whoever did this had anything to do with actually essaying and killing Victoria. Some netizens, a lot of netizens, think that this was solely on Jessica. Clearly, Jessica was saying some crazy things. She was like, do you believe in God?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She was talking about Jesus. She's high on meth. She's taking out the smoke detectors. She's unhinged. She kills Victoria, then dismembers her. I think the part that some netizens feel wary about this conspiracy is the essay part. However, you have to remember, Jessica was charged with abetting, like helping someone essay someone in prison. So it's not far-fetched.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
One comment writes, Jessica Kelly scares me, dude. She is legitimately fucked in the head. I think she is solely responsible. She's a fucking pedo.
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Another comment reads, I always thought it was a little weird that Jessica attacked the other two while they were in bed and by then the apartment was already on fire and after that Jessica ran away from the police while the other two voluntarily went to the police. I think it was just Jessica.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Now, if you go through the initial reports, incident reports along with the autopsy, there's a few things that stand out. Victoria does have an STD, which the authorities have stated she likely contracted it a year prior to her death because she was SAD a year prior. She has been essayed.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And I think this is why I personally believe that regardless of the false confession, Michelle deserves to burn in the depths of hell because after her daughter is essayed, she just still lets these random men move in to her home and then leaves them behind. like gives them free access to her children. And a lot of netizens believe the time of her death, Victoria was likely essayed.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
The initial incident report states that there was bruising around the child's neck, possible signs of strangulation. The child's undergarments were locked inside the residence in a garbage can. Her private parts were soiled with dark blood. And one part of her autopsy reads, there was evidence of perimortem penetrating trauma to the rectum, including a posterior tear and abrasion.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Perimortem means at or near the time of death. Trauma there does not automatically indicate SA has taken place, but given everything else, it's definitely unwise to rule it out completely. Additionally, I looked into it. I thought maybe the way that they were trying to manipulate her body to dismember and sever her limbs, it doesn't seem like that would cause that type of terror.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
You say intimate relations versus our word because it might alienate the person into retrieving and realizing how bad it sounds so they won't say anything more.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Additionally, she has, quote, several blunt injuries that involve both the private area and the rectum. And she may not have had meth in her system. Michelle said this during her false confession, but she did have high levels of ethanol in her system, alcohol. Now, this is where things get a little bit tricky. The body can create ethanol in the liver post-mortem, after death.
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But the level of ethanol in Victoria is quite significant. And if she had consumed that level, she would have been pretty intensely cognitively and physically impaired. But the fact that she has ethanol in her system does not mean that she consumed it prior to death.
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She could have produced it post-mortem, but the autopsy does state, in an alcohol-naive person, this level of alcohol could cause cognitive and physical impairment. So perhaps they believe it was enough to raise alarm. Again, there's no pure evidence that she was essayed the night of her death, but that doesn't mean that she wasn't.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
and it's just caused a lot of fights on reddit one discussion on reddit goes like this victoria could have easily been attacked by a previous male her mother trafficked her to someone responds that never happened another response then how did victoria end up with an std Another response. She was sexually abused, but her mother had nothing to do with it.
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In fact, she went to the police to report it. Others feel like it's still not good enough. If your child has been essayed, you got to be hypervigilant. With one netizen writing, even if the mother wasn't there when Victoria was killed, she damn well put her in that situation. She's the one who started this terrible chain of events.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I hope she suffers every second for the rest of her life, along with the rest of them. Everyone else who have hurt Victoria. So with this new investigation, no one is being charged with Victoria's murder. Michelle gets charged with child abuse resulting in death. Fabian with reckless child abuse resulting in death, conspiracy to tamper with evidence, and seven counts of tampering with evidence.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
it sounds too harsh of a word even though that is the exact crime she says she knows the signs that men are interested in her kids rather than her she says they ask me if i have any kids i say i have two and then they when they meet with me for the first time they want to meet my kids too And Michelle, how did you discover that this was something that you wanted to do? How did you get into it?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Jessica with child abuse resulting in death, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, conspiracy to commit tampering, and three counts of tampering with evidence. Infuriatingly, Fabian was even released in 2019, awaiting his new trial because his charges were decreased from essay and murder to reckless child abuse charges.
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He was under house arrest, which for some insane reason, while he's out on house arrest, he gets married. Yeah, someone was willing to marry him. Michelle and Jessica got less time because they decide that they're gonna work with the police and testify against Fabian. And during the trial, Jessica's sister, so Fabian's other cousin, she shows up, she's blowing kisses at court reporters.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And at one point she's escorted out of the courtroom because she says, she's screaming, you guys are pieces of shit talking to Michelle and Fabian, not her sister, Jessica. She says, I'm gonna get you, Michelle. Fabian, you're still family though. In prison, Fabian does indeed get beat up, but it doesn't appear that it was for his charges.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Now, I'm not here to neither confirm nor deny any appreciation for certain social systems put in place in prison where child predators are treated like walking punching bags. I think that's not a conversation for today. But I regret to inform you that he did not get beaten up for what he did to Victoria.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
It seems like he was just in a heated argument with another prisoner because the guy who beat him up is also a pedophile. Ultimately, Michelle gets 12 years. Fabian gets 37 and a half years. Jessica gets 44 years. Michelle's parents, Victoria's grandparents are suing the state with the argument that the state did not do enough to protect Victoria after all of those CPS calls.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
A lot of netizens hate this. They feel like the grandparents also did not do enough to protect Victoria. And if anything, they were at least more involved and more incentivized to help Victoria. The grandparents, they live very close by and they did nothing. That's what netizens think.
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So they also, furthermore, netizens are upset that if the grandparents win the lawsuit, they are awarded taxpayer funds. And they also stand by Michelle. They're like, we don't think that Michelle did any of this. That was a false confession. She's a very nice girl.
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And the community has come together to purchase a gravestone for Victoria because it really seems like nobody's in Victoria's life that cared for her. One netizen who claims to know Michelle, they say, Michelle was always pretty quiet at work. She was really reserved and I remember the rough time frame of when she met up with Fabian on some dating app. After that, her work went to shit.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Side note, she worked at the deli section in Kroger, so like Ralph's. She would show up late or call out. She would never help customers or she would just disappear on her phone. I will never forget her breath when she got close. It was like a tar type of smell. I'm guessing it was the meth?
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and then okay so her ex-boyfriend side note this is completely side note the ex-boyfriend that tried to kiss victoria remember he was an ex-co-worker of michelle's they met working at the store bye-bye baby they sell like baby strollers he worked in the stroller department which is incredibly alarming yeah
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Others feel like, other netizens feel like the interrogation was all sorts of messed up, writing, I saw the interrogation of Michelle. She confirmed anything the police said. She would have admitted that the mailman murdered her daughter if prompted to. But most netizen sentiments just want all of them to burn in the deepest depths of hell.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Was it just something that you wanted to try? Just to see? I guess I was curious. Was this something that ever happened to you during your childhood? Not to my knowledge.
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Writing, stuff like this makes me really think, like I wouldn't feel bad. I would actually be excited to see these types of people get brutally murdered. Fuck them. Another one reads, even if her mom and the boyfriend weren't home, I'm sure they were both complicit in it somehow and they don't ever deserve to be free.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Another one reads, as much as I hope this dude dies a slow, painful death alone on a cement floor, he wasn't there at the time. Talking about Fabian. Albuquerque police spectacularly fucked this up from the get-go, still has been unable to account for another male DNA or even release a timeline of events that makes sense.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
The DA and the APD seem to be content in walking away from this and hoping everyone forgets how badly they messed this one up once the cells slam shut.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
other netizens are just really upset because there's no justice and one comment reads i really hope the police look into the other men michelle met not that i have any faith in law enforcement since they clearly don't be don't seem to be doing much here but they should just in case others are just focused on the words that were spoken during the interrogation writing quote after you guys cut the arms off victoria cut her leg off then you went and made dinner
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Might be one of the most insane things I've ever heard. Who could ever participate in dismembering their own child and still want to eat? I cannot fathom. And every time I think this story can't possibly get worse, it does. And those are the netizen theories and sentiments. What are your thoughts on this case?
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I mean, it's just so bizarre from every angle and I feel like every single person failed Victoria. What are your thoughts? Let me know in the comments and please be safe and I will see you in the next one.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Within a few hours, sitting in an interrogation room, almost like she's being hypnotized, Michelle Martens tells the authorities that she gets off on inviting men over after meeting them on websites to watch them essay her eight-year-old son and her 10-year-old daughter, Victoria.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She says she only recently stopped because her new boyfriend Fabian moved in and he was doing all the assaulting himself. He even let his female cousin Jessica move in so she could partake in all of this. All the while, Michelle is watching. That's what she gets off on. But last night, things don't go as planned.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
As the assault is taking place, Fabian kills Victoria, Jessica holds her down, and Fabian starts dismembering Victoria, severing off her limbs. Then they wrap her in a blanket, throw her in the bathtub, and light her on fire. That is exactly how the police find Victoria in the bathtub, in flames. Like, that's the exact, they find her, then they question Michelle, but that's exactly, it matches up.
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Or is there some sort of resistance like a twitch?
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Victoria was found missing her arms and her internal organs, her heart and liver were gone.
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After the severing of her limbs, yes, it seems to be. It is probably one of the craziest interrogations I've ever seen. But then they find evidence that some of the interrogation clips of what Michelle is saying are not true. So how could Michelle see all of this happening to her daughter when she's not even home at the time that this happens?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Her cell data shows that she's been out of the house at the time that this takes place. Which means if that's not true, why did she say that it was? And how much of her statement is a lie? Was she coerced into saying everything? Or is it a half truth, half lie?
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Okay, interesting. Mine fluttered quite a bit. And they say that it means if your eyelids flutter when doing this, you might be more available to suggestion, more open to hypnosis. This is not a given. There's not many scientific studies done on this. So take it with a grain of salt. But it is fascinating.
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This episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support Rotten Mango's growing team and would also like to thank you guys for your continued support as we work on our mission to be worthy advocates. As always, full show notes are available at rottenmangopodcast.com. Today's case has quite a few mentions of SA, CSA, and potentially CSAM,
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And the trafficking of children, it's definitely a bit more graphic and detailed than some of our recent cases. So please, if it's too heavy, too intense, take care of yourself. I will see you in the next one. With that being said, let's get started. The police have a 10-year-old that's been murdered. and they have three people that they need to talk to, two women and one man.
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The woman named Michelle, she's got this nasty cut between her eyes, like blood was dripping down in the middle of her face, straight down the top of her nose. It is her daughter, Victoria, that's been killed. Then you have the man, Fabian. He's got a black eye. He's got a deep gash on his eyebrow. He's Michelle's live-in boyfriend. And then we have another woman named Jessica.
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All of them are injured in some way, shape or form, and they don't want to talk about why Victoria was found killed and dismembered in the apartment that they all share. What the hell happened to Victoria? Jessica goes first. She was the one that was left babysitting for most of the day. But before they can even ask questions, Jessica's pissed off. She's pissed off at the cops.
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I want to know why you're treating me like this. You're being arrested, all right? For murder. Why am I being arrested for murder? There's three other people in that house and you're gonna get me for murder? Like, fuck being treated like shit like this whole fucking time for something else. This is bullshit. This is bullshit. You're fucking violating my whole fucking rights, dude. For what?
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For what? Seriously, go find a motherfucking killer, dude. Go find a motherfucking killer. Ugh. They tell her that they're going to take her DNA because they have a warrant. So this is not up for negotiation. And she says, well, the thing is, I live at the house. You know what I mean? My DNA is going to be all over the house. Earlier that day, officers had been called to Unit 808.
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The situation was pretty chaotic. They had two people outside that claimed to have been attacked, Michelle and Fabian. Both of them had bloody faces. They tell officers, Michelle's daughter, 10-year-old Victoria, is inside the unit still. They run up to Unit 808. A woman with blonde hair opens the door, sees the cop uniforms, slams the door shut. They're like, what the hell is that?
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And just like there are things that make someone more easily, more likely to be hypnotized, that a lot of hypnotists, when they do those onstage performances, they will look for certain cues in the audience. They will actively pick out someone that they believe is more open to suggestion.
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They try slamming the door open. It won't open. They're like, maybe we should kick it down. And as they're contemplating all of this, they hear a scream from the other side of the apartment. The other officers are screaming and more or less they're shouting that the crazy lady that just slammed the door in the other officer's face, she jumped off the balcony. This is like three stories high.
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It's not the eighth floor, but it's still pretty high.
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I mean, fate works in very mysterious ways. And the officer is almost to their diabolical amusement. She's not all right. She completely shattered her entire ankle and now she can no longer run. Oh, yeah, it works to their benefit. The officers place the woman in handcuffs. They force her to walk herself to the police car. She's screaming. Every step feels like someone is shooting her ankle.
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And she's like, my ankle, my ankle. You shattered it. You shattered it. You guys threw me off the balcony. They're like, don't be dramatic. You jumped off the balcony because you're trying to escape. And second of all, we don't care. This is on the body cam. They force her to walk. They say, I don't care. Keep walking. Walk.
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It's pretty easy to see from her criminal record that she is not unfamiliar with the police, both her and her cousin Fabian. You know those pictures where people are like, I take a picture every day and they make a video and it's just them moving because you could do that with their mugshots. They have so many mugshots. They have been arrested so many times.
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Probably more mugshots than you have pictures on your Instagram. One of her most recent charges while she was in prison, her cellmate had decided that I'm going to wake up and be the most heinous person ever. Her cellmate decides that she's going to essay another inmate.
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Jessica helps her by locking the cell door behind them and keeping a lookout while her cellmate has her way and onwards another female inmate. So not the most spectacular person that the police are dealing with right now. And she's only been released from prison for about a week. And here she is right back in their presence. She explains to them, you guys have the wrong person.
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You don't even know what you're talking about. You're violating my rights, dude. She explains, yes, okay, she was babysitting Victoria. She couldn't really say no because she was staying at Michelle's house for $50 a month. That's how much she was paying in rent. Although Michelle didn't know that. Fabian was taking the $50 a month. And Michelle thought that she was just living there for free.
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Because when you're being hypnotized, they try to tell you that you feel certain ways, that you feel like you're floating, that you feel like your two fingers are magnetized and they're pulling towards each other and you can't let them separate. They convince you of these things. And just like that, there are personality traits that make it easier for someone to give a false confession.
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She was babysitting Victoria that day. Fabian and Michelle go out. And yeah, she was a little bit out of it. Jessica's sitting there, maybe doing some recreational drugs. And she sees this man walk into the apartment. And she's only been there for like a week. She doesn't know what kind of people are in and out of this apartment. So she's like, huh, there's a man in here.
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And he looks at her and he tells her, hey, do you know where? And then insert Fabian's street name. Because I guess Fabian's part of a gang. That's what they say. And she's like, no, he's not home right now. He's like, okay. Walks into Victoria's room, violently essays her, kills her, and then tells Jessica, get rid of her body. And if you tell anyone, you're next. Your cousin owes me money.
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She said it was a well-dressed Mexican man. And then the police show up. She's terrified. She had nothing to do with the murder. She just had to dispose of Victoria's body because what was she going to do? They're going to get her next. I mean, she was terrified and now she's in the back of the squad car with a broken ankle and all and it's just, it's terrifying.
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She says, you guys need to go catch the real killer. Side note, the apartment was in shambles and it's very interesting. So she's claiming that a man walks in, essays and kills Victoria. But when you go in, everything is just hectic. There's blood everywhere. There's blood seeping into the carpet. There's evidence that someone tried to clean up the blood.
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Inside the bathroom, they find Victoria, her torso, her head, they're all connected. Her arms have been severed. They were found in a separate plastic bag. Her liver and her heart were taken out, also found in a separate plastic bag. Her left leg was almost completely severed off. The rest of her body that's in the bathtub was wrapped in a blanket and lit on fire.
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Every single smoke detector in the house was also conveniently taken down. So Jessica's story, it doesn't really add up. Also, what are all these wounds? Sure, Jessica's fractured ankle makes sense. She jumped off the balcony. But why are Michelle and Fabian wounded? They go into Fabian's interrogation room. He says, I did nothing.
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Juju seemed very proud of his rating. I'm proud of my rating. You should be. Juju, why do you think it's important to have a high Uber rating? Because I know why I think it's important.
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You serious? And that's so... I am conscious of that, and I also believe that it's a reflection on my character, so I'm extra nice. Juju is not even conscious of it. He's just so nice, generally, that he ends up. So I'm extra nice because I want my rating to be good because I do believe it's a reflection on the type of person I am.
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Oh, it's cool to say I don't give a damn.
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Okay, I'm not going to put you in that spot. You're out here being defensive. You care.
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I don't care. I promise.
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All right, time to close out this show. I feel good about it. I'm not going to be the one to make the verdict, but it's not completely over yet. But just in case the game is closer than I think it was, we got the closer in here. Juju Gotti with that fly-ass jersey on. What's up, big dawg?
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That's definitely a black five.
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5.97 with tattoos, sunglasses, and dreads? Are you serious? They are automatically docking you. You work your way up from that three. You sit down with a three. You sit down with a three, and you leave with a five. Man, Juju. They almost gave that man his car.
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They love Juju so damn much. That's nuts.
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Way to expand the league.
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He's everyone.
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Let's do awards for the show. But first of all, we're looking at that picture of Taylor. He looks like we are the world. Like, I feel like... Every time you put that picture up, I hear this song in my head.
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Taylor, UN Taylor. Oh, my gosh. All right, let's do some show awards. I want to kick off the first one. You know, Hawk, when you have a real big good game by the team, everybody gets a game ball. So I want to give a game ball to the entire team in here, out there, ship container. Everyone in the video room, congratulations, Juju. Game ball for everybody. Way to go, y'all.
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You was on top of it in the video room. Every time I called for some video, boom, popped up. No hesitation.
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Oh, yeah. Way to go. Nah, we're not doing that. Way to go.
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Oh! Charlie and the vanilla snack.
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It sounds pretty good. It's not tight enough. Jerry Rice had it things. Skin tight.
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Way to show up. Way to show up. He was there. I would like to give an award to the man behind Taylor, who somehow vision is so bad that that man got to wear glasses to run track. Jason is his name, I believe. Shout out to Jason. Jason. I can't see them lines.
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He's still in the throwback era. Yeah, I love it. I like that. That's what's up, man.
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He said... Hey, I'm Jason. I'm going to run this 800-meter relay behind. Look at Taylor. Look at Taylor. In the nose, out the mouth.
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I want to give an award to Hawk. He was quarterback friendly today. Every time I needed it, Hawk was open. Anytime I got tripped up, drop it to Hawk. He's going to get us four or five yards off that thing, keep the sticks rolling.
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Somebody called me Michael Jordan on the street yesterday anyway.
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That's exactly what happened. I don't know. I was tired yesterday, so maybe my eyes were like Hennessy Brown, so they was conned. They were cognac-tinted. I had cognac-tinted eye whites, and they were like, oh.
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You don't got to defend yourself if you got a 9-7. There's a lot of people around here putting together arguments to defend themselves, and 9-7 is great. I was just excited because I got a .9. .9-0 I thought was great. I thought I was crushing everybody in here, but we got like four people that are higher than me, right? Four or five people? Yeah. We got a nice crew, man.
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Oh, give me. Ringo. Where's Fat Rob? Hit us with a little Ringo.
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We had a day to prepare.
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This is a tough rubber match. My number two not going to show up. But we're going to get it done. I got to figure some things out. Charlie, we'll figure some things out. Call in some reinforcements.
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I'm going to prepare better for the interviews. I'm going to write the whole damn interviews out. You guys don't know how crazy I am. I was sick last night for how bad we lost.
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I'm going to get drunk tonight. We out.
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Like, there's a lot of nice guys around here.
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That's right. It's Thursday Thunder, and it's brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. Juju, what do we got today?
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But the show started yesterday, apparently, with a scene with two actors I hold in very high regard. I love Walton Goggins. But another actor, an Academy Award winning actor, shared a scene with him. And he appears to be a full-fledged member of the cast now. And this was not announced. This was a surprise. And there was like 20 minutes of shared time to lead off this episode.
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I guess when American football ends, everyone just assumes the sporting calendar slows down. This is a niche sport lollapalooza. I mean, I was locked in. I had to have four screens yesterday. There's so many things going on, so many events I want to be at. Say you're watching the NBA and you see Larry David and Stephen A. Smith touching wood and you're like, I want to touch some wood.
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And I think I may be in. How do you feel about surprise cast members?
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Is Jason Isaacs a good guy or a bad guy in this show? He's a pill popper. But is he a good guy or a bad guy?
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I can never root for Jason Isaacs. There are certain roles that actors play that they are never gonna break the stigma associated with that character. Patriot. I mean, dude is a metal stand scumbag. Just pure evil. Do you know how hard it is for me to watch a movie and you're sharing scenes with Mel Gibson and I'm like, you're the asshole.
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Well, let me tell you somebody that can help you touch that wood. GameTime. The GameTime app. Yeah, you could see what the courtside seats would look like. I'm sure it's not too hard to imagine, but you could also see what your seats look like from the 400 level or 300 level. Any seat in the house. You have panoramic seat views thanks to the GameTime app. Create an account. Use code DAN.
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You're worried about Walton, right? You don't want to call him Walter? Is that what it is? I can't just use his last name?
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Get $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Download GameTime today. You get last-minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed, and I swear by this app, this is what I use. One of my favorite bands is in town this weekend. I'm going to be using GameTime to get some pit tickets and watch Deftones. College tournaments going. So many things going on. Homestead's in town.
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Miami people, if you haven't used the promo code DAN to save yourself some cash, go ahead and do it. One of the things that didn't make my screen last night was White Lotus. I've kind of checked out on this. Whoa, that's it? No, I haven't watched a single one, nor have I shown any interest in watching it because everybody told me that the season started a little slower.
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I did watch last season, but I also joined In Progress, and I was kind of waiting for word of mouth to get to a point where I wanted to take part in the social commentary and not miss out. And a lot of people feel strongly about White Lotus. I know we got a lot of fans here, so I'm not going to give anything away.
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Yeah. That was... That was disrespectful. That is very regretful. Well, the good news is coming up next on our show, we have Fatou Baf and the Black Girls Hockey Club, and we are going to celebrate the end of Black History Month with her. Coming up next.
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This is the last day of Black History Month. And to celebrate, we're going to talk about black girls in hockey. All right. Yes, we have the board. We have a member of the board of directors of the Black Girl Hockey Club for two bar. And I just want to go over what you guys do to expand the sport of hockey and especially the black community and especially for black women.
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I have a daughter. Her name is Claire.
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Princess Claire. She is a black girl and she tried hockey for free last week. Can you convince me that her future is bright as a hockey fan and even potentially a future hockey player?
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You got to stay safe, man. Wouldn't you? I would. I would be throwing out F-bombs, too.
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Why exactly are you a Capitals fan?
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I mean, what are we doing with Jordan Bennington here?
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This week is the 130th anniversary of the creation of the Colored Hockey League of the Maritimes, which is based out of Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island. This league was created 14 years prior to the National Hockey Association and 22 years prior to the National Hockey League. Wow. And 60 years prior to Willie O'Ree's first game with the Boston Bruins.
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Now, a lot has changed since then, obviously. We've got a women's league now, as we mentioned. Yeah. But as far as demographics are concerned for players and for front office, which skews heavily white, do you think there is any progression or regression or stagnation in diversity and inclusion in the National Hockey League right now?
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Yeah, that's going to make Rose happy.
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So no more banana throwing then?
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Thank you. Go ahead and play it again. Yeah, play it again. One more time. Yeah, one more time.
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We're going to talk about the Penguins here.
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all right let's go sorry for all the editing roses i'm saying though man she's got roses over there like ah shut up guys now you did it again you know what you're gonna edit this video i'm gonna give it to you and this is gonna be your first i'm gonna have work to do too guys because i have to believe it out in okay uh let's go to my uh my hot take new york islanders You reap what you sow.
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I got one more question here, and we can end it here. You see stories like Akeem Aliou, who was called a racial slur by Peter.
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He's Malcolm X. Well, as we know, he was called a racial slur by Bill Peters when he was in Calgary. And Bill Peters made a concerted effort to basically push his career down from getting a true shot in the league. And then you see stories like Tony D'Angelo, who used a racial slur in the minors, who had an incident with K. Andre Miller in the finals. his own teammate with the Rangers.
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Yeah. And he got chance after chance. And now being signed with the Islanders at picking up, picking them up from the strip of the scrap heap in Russia with the KHL. You see guys like this getting chance at the chance. What goes through your head?
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But too bad. You're doing great work with Black Girl Hockey Club, and I really appreciate you coming on. Continue all your successes with the club.
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You know why you reap what you sow? Because you brought back Anthony D'Angelo back into this league. Now, I mean, seriously, like, they should be embarrassed. And they get embarrassed. You know why? Because he lost 5-1 to the Rangers and allowed this goal to Matt freaking Rimpey.
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Damn, that's cold. And remember to check Jagermeister out at DraftKingsXJagermeister.com.
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Shepardance! All right, it's time for the weekend review for the Florida Panthers. Before we get into the games, however, Matthew Kachuk, who was fresh off of Four Nations and very much injured, was on the Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon, and Jimmy Fallon talked to him about the Four Nations tournament. The Four Nations face-off, everyone was talking about this. Everyone watched.
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Yeah, so Matthew Kachuk is getting his shine nationwide as the face of USA Hockey. So good for him.
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Florida Panther on the Tonight Show.
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You didn't see that shit on Carson, I'll tell you that. Couldn't believe it.
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I mean, whatever his producers.
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Yeah, so that's what happened. So good for him wearing that Perry Ellis wardrobe that he's sponsored by now.
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Scott Perunovich and Ryan Pelak did not escape this game without a bad set line, respectively. Minus four. Both of them.
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Yeah, that's great. But how about come on our show? You know, we're down the street. You know, you can drive down here if you feel like it, you know, from Fort Lauderdale. I mean, you have to break the traffic on I-95 and everything. But, you know, come in the studio.
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All Florida Panthers have an open invite. All Florida Panthers, yeah. Open invite. Yeah, how about the entire roster? Just come on in. Hang out in the studio over there. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure there's a lot of room. You know, I'll just hand off a mic and whatever. All right, let's get to the games.
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The Panthers started off the second half of the season against the Seattle Kraken, and there's something... about the Seattle Kraken, that the Panthers just can't crack the 3-5-0 against Seattle. What the hell is going on here?
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Yeah, the Panthers led in all the counting stats, the shots, in fact, expect the goals they were leaning in, except this was a TJ Luxmore night. So he was one of the refs in this game. And when TJ Luxmore is refereeing a Florida Panthers game, shit happens. You know why? Because he adversely affected this game for the Florida Panthers. And you can see on the video here that Evan Rodriguez was...
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was called for goaltender interference as he skated in and affected what would have been a goal for Mackie Samuskevich. Rodriguez was pushed into the crease. He was pushed into the crease. Drakord tried to make a save there, and apparently... That was goaltender interference. Rodriguez getting pushed into the crease.
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Rodriguez unable to exit the crease because Josh Mahura would not let him get out and then affect the save. So he didn't touch the goalie.
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Yeah. Or Matt Barzell. I mean, all this bat juju that the Islanders have brought upon themselves. Yeah, it's been bad. In fact, they've lost five of their last six, so good for them. Good for them. Not good hockey in New York right now. Bad, bad hockey on that side of the island, yeah. Devils are okay. Wait, I have a hot take. The Rangers are actually doing better. Ethan, you have a hot take.
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You are a minute 12 late on that, by the way.
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I want to spend more time on goalie interference because I'm pissed off about this.
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The National Hockey League came back on the video review explanation. They said that video review determined Evan Rodriguez's presence in the crease and his contact on Joey DeCord's stick impaired his ability to play his position prior to Mackie Samuskiewicz's goal. Right. That's them defending the referee. Yes. That's bullshit.
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Panthers lost 2-1 in that game. On Tuesday, they went to Nashville, and they played the Predators, and that was a much better effort right there. That was a much, much better game. Most teams have been enjoying their trips to Nashville this season. Yeah, honky-tonk up there. Sam Bennett, goal, assist, and a fight. I think there's a name for that. Yeah, I think, yeah, yeah. We won't go into that.
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No. No. Another pet adoption for Benny's buddies. By the way, I really want... And Jordan McPherson's trying to get to him, but... It hasn't been available in practice, but I want to know if that goal in Four Nations by Sam Bennett helped another pet get adopted.
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Bruno. Poor Bruno. Andrew Burnett's probably not going to survive... Cats might have dodged a bull a day. This season.
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Rose is doing Instagram stories. Just ignore her. Justin Sudeikis scored his first career NHL goal as I'm trying to do this show. What the hell is going on?
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Oh. So you're affecting the show. Justice O'Dea scored his first NHL goal. He was in the lineup because E2 Lucerino was on paternity leave. Congratulations, E2. Baby girl. Baby girl. Dad bump incoming. Yes, sir.
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Yeah. He's going to be fine off boys with his hockey stick, man. You know. Yeah. Spent tonight 18 shots faced, 17 shots stopped. 40 attempts. Good defense. Yes. Well, again, Nashville.
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This is back-to-back weeks, by the way. I've ignored your hot takes.
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God forbid anything happens. Man, it's about time. They need the pipeline.
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Black Aces this playoff season, right? No. Yeah. Let's close it. Yeah, let's close it. We got one game to review and one game to preview, so... Let's do that. Edmonton, last night, big game. The game that got flipped for Flyers-Penguins on ESPN+, which obviously worked out for them. Unfortunately, it didn't work out for me because the Penguins won in overtime. They ain't going nowhere.
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Neither one of them are going anywhere. They flipped that game for two teams that are not making the playoffs. I don't care how that game resulted. For a potential finals rematch, matchup, whatever.
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No. No. No. No, I don't believe so. I'm starting to think so.
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Yeah. Why? This goes back to 1992. This is always going to be a Penguins. The Blackhawks lost to the Penguins in the Stanley Cup final. So whoever the next Penguins great star is, you're going to hate him too. Oh, they'll figure out a way for them to fudge the draft lottery again and get another superstar.
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We like to have fun here. I know. I'm bringing that up because they flipped. That was a national game. That was going to be a national game, and they flipped it for Flyers-Penguins. What the hell are we doing here? Rose just throws a little grenade into the middle of the room. I'm trying to do the damn show. What the hell are we doing here? Go, finish it. All right, fine. We're not even close.
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Pampers beat the Oilers 4-3. There was another overturned goal, another review.
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Yeah, Alexander Barkov went offside on what would have been a power play goal for Carter Bragey. That one was pretty offside. Yeah, that was way, way offside.
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Yeah, Carter Bragey would end up scoring in that game anyway, so it doesn't even matter. But Anton Lindell, a goal and two assists, and a nickname that Rose would absolutely love, Baby Barky.
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You realize how hard it was for them to scratch and claw their way back up the division? Because they were out of it.
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Yeah, the Panthers won 4-3. That was... You know what? Paul Maurice did not like a lot of what happened with that game with the Panthers because... Too much transition. Yeah.
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Tomorrow, the Florida Panthers play the Calgary Flames. And the Flames coming off a loss to the Lightning. That didn't stop pregame Ryan Lomberg giving his feelings about returning to Tampa.
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Yeah, yeah, that's the silence. Yeah, that is Mike. I think the people in the control truck kind of, they saw what was going on. You know, that's not going to stop me from talking, right? Like, I'm doing a show here. What are you doing? All right. All right. The Flames have lost seven of the last 11. They are still looking at a wild card spot.
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They are still close to getting it, but still losing seven out of the last 11.
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Yeah. So they better straighten up and fly right because you don't want to lose out on that. You can lose the playoff spot the way they're going. And right now going into the Stanley Cup, defending Stanley Cup champions house. Oh, boy, it's going to be tough for them. It is.
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Can I end the show? Can I end the show? I already ended it, so. No, you didn't already end it because I'm trying to end the show.
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They haven't even had a band of cane for a year and a half.
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Yeah, you're right. This is a learning situation for all the GMs in the National Hockey League as far as how to handle players when it comes to stuff like Olympics and Four Nations and World Cup of Hockey and how to handle their injuries and how to handle what to do with them coming back from these tournaments because... As Ethan said, they look exhausted.
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And what you have with the injuries, because Vegas, Florida, and Boston has to deal with that now. Yeah, we're not even talking about Martinez. The first casualty. You're complaining about the... Okay. Yo no sé.
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Welcome to the hockey show. Roy, Dave, Rose, Ethan. Let's start with our Slapshots hot takes. Go ahead, Dave. Okay. Welcome to the show, everybody. Hey, man. I don't have time for this. Let's go.
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We have more that we have to do, so let's move on to win of the week, Dave.
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That's very nice. He even got the pronunciations correct. That's very good. And dad. And dad. And dad comes over and gives the big hug.
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Yeah, it does. Especially considering my win of the week. Because last week, Saturday, at the Baptist Iceplex, which houses the Panthers practice, Claire... had try hockey for free. She had a session there and it was dedicated to the girls. And we have some pictures and a video here. I signed her up for the session and she was scared. You know, she's skated maybe twice in her life, right?
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And she's watched a lot of hockey, a lot of hockey with dad. And before she came out, she said to me, I don't skate as fast. Maybe I'm going to do bad. I said, hey, listen, it's not about you going out there and skating fast as she goes out there and tiptoes on video. If you can see it on YouTube, it's about trying. And she went out there and she tried and.
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Me and Aneed, my wife, we led her out to the edge of the ice we put out there, and she did very well. She only fell twice, which was definitely the under, because I expected her to fall a lot more, but she only fell twice, and she did very well. She had zip on her passes and shots. Big ups to the trainers out there. They really did well with her on the ice. I was definitely a proud dad.
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I said your name, then. I said your name. Did I say your name? I said your name. You did say everybody's name, Roy. Yeah, I did.
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Yeah, yeah, and as you can tell from the video, Like, she's staying up right.
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Well, it's me. Because I can actually push.
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Yeah, all right. Get that produced next week.
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Our kids are playing hockey now. No, next week. Our kids are playing hockey now. Our kids are playing hockey. Like, God, we're old. Yeah, we are old. Ethan, it'll happen to you, too. Slow your roll. Slow your roll. Slow your roll.
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You don't believe in, okay, you don't believe in charms. Fails of the week, Dave.
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Slow your roll, guys. Jeez. Damn. All right. My Failure of the Week is an anniversary of probably the worst night in Mike McDonald's career. 31 years ago, it was Rangers versus Stars, and Mike McDonald was elbowed in the head by Mark Messier. Oh, God. Yeah, that was bad. The game was so different back then, man. Yeah. Look at the position Madonna's in. Those skates. Look at those skates.
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He was prone. He was basically unconscious from the elbow and then fell to the ice. He's just like, what happened? His head hit the ice. There's going to end up being a replay here. Yeah, there's a replay.
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Yeah. There was a streak of blood going across the ice as he slid towards the boards. Oof.
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Elbow to the head now is probably how many games? If that happened today, I mean, 10 games. Easy. 10 games. If that. At least 10 games. Now, this is the fail right here. Because Mike Modano was on a gurney. They were trying to put him in the ambulance. Oh, for fuck's sake. They dropped him. They dropped Mike Modano, who was on the gurney as they were trying to put him in the ambulance.
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Hey, everybody, and welcome back to The Messy Podcast. If you want to skip the ads and get right into the good stuff, you can sign up to be a premium member on Apple Podcasts. Or you can also head over to our website at themessypodcast.com. So excited to kick off season one.
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Oh, for sure.
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It's like our brains are saying, nope, too scary. Let's just stay under the covers.
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And that's exactly where Mel found herself. Hitting the snooze button became her go-to move.
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Thanks for listening to that. Let's jump back into it. Maybe relying a bit too much on those, let's say, stress relievers.
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And even blaming others for her situation.
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This whole season is about understanding the power of letting go.
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But as Mel's story shows, facing those fears head on is often the only way to break free.
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Okay. So we've got Mel stuck in this cycle of avoidance, feeling completely hopeless. But here's where it gets really interesting.
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Picture this.
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It's another morning. Mel is lying in bed, completely paralyzed by the weight of her situation. And she happens to see a rocket launch on TV.
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And that seemingly random image becomes the catalyst for a life changing breakthrough. It's crazy, right?
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She starts visualizing that countdown. Five, four, three, two, one.
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And something clicks.
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She uses that countdown to force herself out of bed, almost like a rocket launching herself into action.
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Letting go of control.
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Okay.
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So it's not just some motivational gimmick.
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Letting go of expectations. And sometimes letting go of what we think our lives should look like.
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There's actual science behind it.
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So she's basically hacking her brain to overcome fear and take action.
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That's incredible.
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And you know what's even cooler?
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This is something anyone can do.
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Right now, think of one tiny task you've been putting off. Something small, but, you know, you should just do it.
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Got it.
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Now, on the count of five, we're going to launch ourselves into action.
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Five, four, three, two, one, go.
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It's like that first step out of bed in the morning.
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Once you're up, you're up, you're ready to take on the day.
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For sure.
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Hang tight. We'll be back right after this short break.
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Thanks for waiting. Let's pick up where we left off.
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It's like our brains are wired to respond to that sense of urgency.
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It's almost like we trick ourselves into taking action before those doubts and fears have a chance to kick in.
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Oh, I know where you're going with this.
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Her infamous TEDx talk. I read about this.
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She was terrified beforehand.
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Blanked on stage.
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And basically blurted out the five second rule in a moment of pure desperation.
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It's like when we see someone else embrace their imperfections.
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It gives us permission to do the same.
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So the universe has a plan.
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So she shares this failed talk with a friend thinking it's going to disappear to the Internet abyss. Right. And boom, it goes viral.
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Over 60 million views.
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Right.
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Even when we feel totally lost.
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There's something so empowering about realizing that we're not alone in our struggles.
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And that even small actions taken consistently can create massive change over time.
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Like she says, action is the answer.
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And that's exactly what today's deep dive is all about.
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Thinking about your problems will never solve them.
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But I think what's often overlooked is that behind all the viral success, behind those millions of lives touched, there's a whole lot of hard work and hustle.
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And let's not forget, she self-published The 5 Second Rule, which has now been translated into over 40 languages. That's a testament to her dedication and the power of believing in your message, even when you're starting from scratch.
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We're diving deep into the story of Mel Robbins, the creator of the famous five second rule.
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All right. We're back. Let's continue. And sometimes it's about trusting that even those messy, seemingly insignificant moments can lead us to something truly extraordinary.
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Mill's journey from a moment of despair in her bedroom to becoming a global phenomenon is a testament to that.
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Absolutely.
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And her journey from rock bottom to a lifeline that's now touched millions of lives.
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So if you're listening to this and feeling stuck, overwhelmed, or like you're just going through the motions, remember Mel's story. Remember that you have the power to create change. You do. Even if it starts with something as small as a five-second countdown?
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What's one thing you've been putting off that you can commit to doing this week?
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Okay.
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And, you know, Mel has this amazing quote that I think sums up this whole idea of self-reliance and taking action perfectly.
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It says, no one's coming to save you. You save yourself.
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One small move at a time.
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Yeah, it's so easy to get caught up in waiting for the perfect moment or for someone else to give us permission to go after what we want.
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Yeah.
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Love that, you know, Mel's story really highlights how important it is to embrace the messy, unpredictable nature of life.
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It's not always going to be pretty. And there will be setbacks along the way.
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But those challenges are often what shape us and make us stronger.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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It's like that voice in our head saying, you got this.
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Just take that next step.
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We'll be right back after this quick break. All right, we're back. Let's continue. And before we wrap up today's deep dive, I have to mention that Mel's story is just one example of how the let them theory plays out in real life.
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We'll be exploring this concept in more depth throughout the season, looking at how letting go is can transform not just our personal lives, but also our relationships, our careers, and even our impact on the world.
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Absolutely. So for everyone listening, I encourage you to try the five-second rule this week. Pick one thing you've been putting off, something you know you should do, but keep finding excuses for.
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Visualize their rocket launch. Countdown from five and then just do it.
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So if you've ever felt stuck, overwhelmed, or like you're just going through the motions, this one's for you.
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You might be surprised by the momentum it creates in other areas of your life.
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And if you want to dive deeper into Mel Robbins' work, you can find a link to her book, The Five Second Rule, on our website, DaveBessiePodcast.com.
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Right.
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That's it for today's episode of The Messy Podcast.
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Until next time, stay messy and keep those five-second decisions coming.
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Let's rewind a bit.
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And paint a picture of where Mel was before the five second rule took the world by storm.
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Oh, yeah.
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Absolutely.
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We're talking major financial struggles.
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$800,000 debt. Wow. Her husband's restaurant failing.
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Everything was crumbling around her. And as she describes in her audio book, she knew what she needed to do to get back on track. But she just couldn't seem to move.
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Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at greenlight.com slash the Y-files. That's greenlight.com slash the Y-files to get started. greenlight.com slash the Y-files. The Jones team was ordered to secure a facility deep in the no-go zone. They loaded up for war. Heavy weapons, body armor, an M134 minigun that could fire 4,000 rounds per minute. They weren't taking any chances.
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The entrance looked normal, just another research building in the middle of nowhere. That was the point. What was underneath wasn't normal at all. The first body they found was face down in a hallway. These weren't slash marks. These were surgical cuts, clean and deliberate. Then they heard skittering. Something moved in the shadows.
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A massive spider-like creature clearly visible against the ice and snow. Nothing could survive there, not for millions of years. But something does.
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Before anyone could react, it lunged, a strider the size of a large dog. The soldiers opened fire, but it was already on Henderson. The thing didn't just attack. It dissected with perfect cuts. Henderson was still conscious and screaming when the Strider peeled his face off. Eleven men became ten. Large Striders were dangerous, but at least you can see them coming. The small ones were the problem.
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Not much bigger than house cats, they moved in packs through the vents. They could climb, they could jump. The team learned to watch the ceiling after finding Mitchell. He'd been dragged out a hallway and into an office. His legs were still twitching while the Striders went to work. Ten men became nine. It took 18 hours to clear the facility.
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In the basement, they found a lab the size of an airplane hangar. There were cages of all sizes. Most were broken open and empty. Bodies were everywhere. Blood trails led to the vents. The largest cage held a strider nearly 40 feet tall. Then they realized this was a breeding facility, and something went very, very wrong. But what they found in the next room is what broke them.
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Two medium-sized striders in a cage feeding on something. Joan's team moved closer. The air smelled sweet and tasted metallic. This cage wasn't broken. It was fully intact with a chute for dropping in food. The striders were loud and violent as they tore through their meal. Then they saw small shoes, a tiny backpack. One of the men vomited. The Striders were eating children.
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Then, son of Ant Anon logged on. Everyone called him Anton. His father, Joe, was a Navy lieutenant and a doctor. He served at McMurdo Station in the 1990s, and Joe knew exactly what that creature was. People were skeptical until Anton posted photos. His father's patches from Antarctic Development Squadron 6. Military commendations on an Antarctica-shaped plaque. Everything checked out.
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Documents scattered across the facility told a dark story. This was a joint operation between America, Chile, and China. They were breeding striders, trying to control them. They spliced genes to make the creatures more aggressive. They were also trying to make them more obedient. Eh, sounds like they got it half right.
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These were apex predators millions of years ago, frozen in the ice until scientists woke them up. But it gets worse.
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Tunnels stretched beneath the ocean floor to cities all over the world. Hong Kong, New York, Melbourne, London. The trains used magnetic levitation technology decades ahead of its time. Lab notes mentioned delivery schedules, regular shipments from major cities. The Striders were being conditioned to hunt specific targets. The shipments were people, mostly children.
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This was the largest human trafficking operation in the world. After his father died, Anton found his old computer, an Apple IIe from McMurdo. The hard drives contained everything. DNA sequences, facility layouts, shipping manifests. All the evidence was there, but he needed help recovering the data. Users warned him to leave the drives alone.
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Some gave advice on not how to recover the drives, on how to destroy them. Others just said, run. Anton never posted again. The Google Earth image that started it all has been scrubbed. The coordinates show only ice and snow. But beneath the surface, the network still operates. What was once confined to Antarctica now has access to every continent on Earth.
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Antarctica is Earth's true last frontier. No country owns it.
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In 1947, Admiral Richard E. Byrd led Operation High Jump, one of the largest Antarctic expeditions in history. They loaded up with enough firepower to start a war.
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The expedition ended early. Very early. During World War II, the Nazis launched Operation Neuschwabenland. Rumors spread about discoveries beneath the ice, underground caverns, ancient ruins, evidence of something that predates humanity. We know high-ranking German officials fled to South America after the war.
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Kextosa? Double. Most Nazis fled to Argentina. Others, according to theories, escaped to a hidden base beneath Antarctica. The US government took this theory seriously. In 1959, they locked down the entire continent. The Antarctic Treaty banned military presence, private exploration, unauthorized access. And it's true that some coordinates are censored.
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That's what allowed the Strider legend to start. Google does scrub images. I had to clean up Anton's posts to make them coherent. I tried not to add too much, but Anton typed like a typical 4chan user. All lowercase, no punctuation. Random slurs for some reason. Anton's military patches and documents seem compelling, but those are easy to fake.
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But the underground bullet train network stretching across continents? That's impossible. Subs can't go that deep. No hollow tunnel could survive that pressure. I couldn't help but notice a lot of his story mirrors The Thing.
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I agree. I can't say for sure that Anton's story is fake, but he was probably riffing on The Thing. He got some things right, though. McMurdo Station has restricted areas. Military personnel conduct classified operations there. The no-go zones are real. The Ninian is another fun story. A massive humanoid creature with pale skin and human features lurking in Antarctic waters.
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But like most cryptid stories, the evidence doesn't hold up. The photos show exactly what you'd expect. Blurry white shapes in dark water, and most are icebergs. Some are photoshopped. Others are beluga whales, which have smooth white skin and round humanoid faces. But the ninian is supposed to be 60 feet long. Beluga whales aren't that big. But sperm whales are. Yes, babe. Stop it.
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Joe was the type who asked questions. At McMurdo, they showed him the no-go zones. Most of Antarctica is restricted by international treaties, but there is one zone about 30 miles east of the base that even military expeditions avoided. When Joe asked about it, they said it was classified. Anton posted the coordinates. When you check them on Google Earth today, the entire area is blurred.
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They sometimes hunt vertically floating upright. Maybe that's what they saw. There's no mention of the Ninyon before the early 2000s, but there is Japanese folklore about creatures called Ninyon, which means human fish. Again, I can't prove it's fake, but it's probably fake. Now, organism 46B, the psychic shape-shifting cephalopod.
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That one is pure fiction. The story comes from a post on a tabloid site in 2013. Dr. Anton Padalka doesn't exist. In 2012, Russian scientists did drill into Lake Vostok. And it's true that an actual freshwater lake two miles under the ice that hasn't been exposed for about 20 million years is there. That's fertile ground for an urban legend to be born. So one was.
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These three stories don't hold up. But Antarctica's mysteries, those are real. UFO sightings, strange lights in the sky, unexplained crashes. Satellite images showed massive structures with entrances under the ice. Once the coordinates got out, the images were blurred.
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Antarctica is bigger than Europe and Australia. It's much bigger than the United States, yet only a tiny fraction is open to the public. You can visit if you're from a signatory country and can get a permit. Good luck with that. Most of the continent is specially protected or specially managed. You need another permit for those areas. You won't get one.
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Antarctica is one of Earth's most restricted places. Maybe that's for a reason. We're told the rules are there to protect the environment, but until we can see for ourselves, we'll always wonder if they're protecting something else. I don't believe in these cryptids, but doing this show has made me believe other things.
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Crop circles are real, the moon is weird, and there's something under the ice at the bottom of the world. I don't know why, but I have a very strong feeling that whatever it is, we should probably leave it alone. Thank you so much for hanging out today. My name is AJ. There's Hecklefish.
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Another user found something else in the area, a gray monolith. Soon, that image was censored. On Joe's first night at McMurdo, there was an incident. Seven soldiers burst through the infirmary's door. They wore snow camo, but no insignia, no unit patches. SFODA, he figured. There were lots of special forces at McMurdo. The soldier they carried in was a mess.
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His white Gore-Tex parka was shredded. Steam rose from cuts too precise for any animal. Razor thin lines that went straight to the bone. The bleeding wouldn't stop. The injured soldier was screaming. We let them loose. They were frozen and we let them loose. Joe needed to know what caused these injuries. He scanned each soldier's face looking for the leader. He asked, what did you let loose?
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He heard a familiar click behind him. He turned around. A gun was in his face. In the early 2000s, a Japanese vessel patrolling Antarctic waters spotted something unusual. At first, they thought it was an iceberg, a featureless white mass floating on the surface. Then it moved. As the ship approached, they realized it was alive. It was 60 feet long with smooth white skin.
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Some crew members saw limbs, arms, hands, even fingers. Others reported a tail like a mermaid.
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Uh, you didn't.
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Can I get back to work here?
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The Russian team at Lake Vostok in Antarctica drilled through two miles of ice. They were inches away from hitting water that hadn't seen sunlight in 20 million years. Then communications went dark. Five days later, two scientists were dead. The official report said hypothermia. A witness statement tells a different story. No country owns Antarctica, but you need permission to visit.
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Was it a soft 18? Don't you dare. All reports agreed on one detail. Its eyes were large, round, and black, and they looked almost human. They weren't the first to see it, or the last. They have a name for it, Ninyon, the Japanese word for human. The crews who encountered the Ninyon never felt threatened. It just watched them floating silently in the darkness.
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These veteran sailors knew every whale, seal, and fish species in the area. This was something new. The pattern was always the same. First, a disturbance in the water, then a pale form rises to the surface, almost invisible against the ice. The creature observes the ships for a few minutes, then disappears silently underwater. In 2007, a Japanese magazine brought the Ninyon to the mainstream.
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It published a blurry satellite image showing something enormous moving in Antarctic waters. People began searching Google Earth for evidence. They found coordinates showing shadowy white figures beneath the surface near the Antarctic coast. The shapes were too large to be whales, too defined to be icebergs. A few days later, the images vanished.
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Cryptozoologists believe the Ninian represents evidence of intelligent life in Earth's oceans, a species that evolved alongside us but remained hidden in the deep cold water. Others have a more disturbing theory. Its humanoid features are proof of genetic experimentation. Secret research facilities in Antarctica spliced whale DNA with humans and created the Ninian.
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Luckily, whales are peaceful, but what would happen if scientists altered the DNA of something more dangerous? The injured soldier wouldn't stop screaming, so the others gagged him. Joe stared down the barrel of a .45 caliber M1911. The man holding it said, treat him, no questions. Joe got to work. The kid was losing blood fast.
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The soldier kept the gun trained on him for a few seconds, making a point. Joe grabbed a trauma kit and asked, Army? The guy nodded. Captain Jones, 10th SFG. Joe knew the 10th Special Forces Group. Green Berets trained for cold weather combat. Jones holstered his weapon. Joe glanced at it and said, no Beretta? Jones shook his head. Not enough stopping power.
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Joe wanted to ask, but anger flashed across Jones' face. Joe just said, I'll take care of your boy, Captain. Jones relaxed, then nodded toward the door. His men filed out. Jones said, thanks, Doc. You'll be seeing a lot of me. And he was right. Day after day, bodies arrived with devastating injuries. These weren't tears or gashes. They were incisions, perfectly straight lines that went bone deep.
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Joe had seen bear attacks, shark bites, industrial accidents, but this was different. This was butchery. In every case, the base commander ordered the same cause of death, hypothermia, even when the body was still warm. But Joe's most disturbing experience happened during a storm. He was driving with another officer when they hit something big and heavy.
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Joe hopped out to check the damage, but his partner started screaming for him to get back in the truck. Joe ignored him and looked under the mangled front end. At that moment, the no-go zones, the secrecy, the injuries, everything made sense. If you've got cats, you know they run the house. And having three Maine Coons like me makes you more than a cat owner. You're staffed.
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You're restricted to designated areas, and you must have a government-approved escort. They say these rules are to protect the environment, but people who've been there know better. These rules are there to protect something else, something dangerous. At the bottom of the world, there are monsters, and we created them. A single image appeared on 4chan's paranormal board in February 2021.
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The leg alone stretched seven or eight feet and was strong enough to crush the steel of the truck. It twitched once, then disappeared into the storm. A few days later, he learned what was filling his infirmary with bodies. Joe found a journal hidden in one victim's coat. It had descriptions of large white predators that could cross Antarctica's terrain in massive 50 to 60-foot leaps.
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The researchers called them striders. Joe became obsessed and started breaking into offices at night. He found classified files about winter operations at a facility in the no-go zone east of the base. An expense report listed research equipment, but it was really a requisition for ammunition. Thousands of rounds of tungsten core penetrators, not exactly standard issue.
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Whenever a soldier showed up with an injury, Joe would ask what happened, but nobody would talk. It was always a training accident. The base commander realized Joe was a security risk. He was notified he'd be shipping out within the week. Three days before leaving McMurdo, in the middle of the night, Joe was shaken awake. It was Captain Jones. He said, Doc, we need to talk.
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Joe started to tell him to sleep it off. Then he felt something heavy land on his chest. It was a piece of a Strider's leg. Joe immediately started to panic. Jones put his hand over Joe's mouth. As Joe's eyes adjusted to the darkness, he saw Jones was covered in blood. He couldn't tell whose. Jones said he'd just returned from a mission. He needed to tell him about it.
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After months of trying to find the truth, Joe wasn't sure he wanted to know anymore. But Captain Jones was going to tell him anyway. Lake Vostok lies two miles beneath Antarctic ice. It hasn't seen sunlight in 20 million years. The Russians spent decades drilling toward it. In 2012, they broke through. Then everything went dark.
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Not now.
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For five days, nothing. No radio contact, no signals, just silence. When communications returned, two scientists were dead. The official cause? Hypothermia. But Dr. Anton Padalka's classified report tells a different story. The team found something in Lake Vostok that evolved in complete isolation for millions of years. They called it Organism 46B.
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The creature stretched over 30 feet long and looked like a giant octopus.
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Tentacles.
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Yes, it had tentacles. But instead of eight, it had 14.
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Its skin was almost transparent, perfect camouflage in the darkness, but its most terrifying feature wasn't its size, it was its intelligence. The first diver was 10 feet from the creature when it released a toxin into the water. It was instantly paralyzed.
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The second death was worse. The creature could shapeshift.
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The research team captured it temporarily. But like everything else connected to Lake Vostok, organism 46B vanished. Russia's official statement mentioned only bacteria. Then they restricted all access to the lake. The original drilling site was abandoned. Armed guards now patrol the area. In 2017, genetic researchers analyzed water samples from Lake Vostok.
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They found DNA sequences suggesting intelligence far beyond any known cephalopod. Then everything disappeared. The samples, the data, the reports. According to official records, the research never happened. What made Organism 46B so important that it had to be kept secret? Dr. Padalka's final report gives a clue. During its brief captivity, Organism 46B figured out how to disable security systems.
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It understood cameras and lights.
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The lake remains under constant surveillance. Military vessels patrol its perimeter. Satellite images are scrubbed. For a lake with nothing but bacteria, there's a lot of effort being made to keep people out or keep something in. This message is sponsored by Greenlight. Back in the 80s, money management was simple. You got your allowance, grab some quarters, and hit the arcade. The goal?
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