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He had the capacity and the resources and the henchmen, if you will, to construct the kind of bomb that blew up Gary Triano.
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I mean, anytime you have a crime scene this large and this many witnesses, you have to follow every possible lead.
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And this, of course, sent Detective Gamber down another path of like, OK, is it somebody else who might have wanted, you know, Gary dead?
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Even though she was angry at Gary, it was sort of an anger that had dissipated. There wasn't really a reason to investigate her further.
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And so Neil McNeese did not want to be taken as a fool. And so it was said that he had put Gary on a kill list.
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And it's an unlocked van. And so when police do come and they open the van, they discover some very unusual things inside.
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and they discover something else that's sort of unusual. It's a sawed-off shotgun. I mean, fraud suspects, they're not usually violent.
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Kamala Phillips was a socialite, a beautiful blonde bombshell. She was the quintessential trophy wife.
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Pamela began to realize maybe Gary wasn't all that he was cracked up to be. Like maybe there were little cracks in this armor here. Because Gary started to let her in on some things, like he's indebted to multiple people.
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Pam's chief complaint during this entire relationship is she's not receiving enough child support from Gary and he must be hiding assets. But Ron is still really pissed off that he's not being paid for his services.
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Ron was not her type. She was used to handsome, charismatic, wealthy men, and Ron was nothing like that.
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Pamela Phillips became hysterical. Not hysterical over Gary's death, but hysterical over the fact that the premium had not been paid for the month of November.
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Pam Phillips wastes no time. As soon as she gets this $2 million life insurance proceeds, she goes out and she buys her dream mansion. And it's this home in Meadowood. It has its own ski lift. It's buttressed against the mountains. It's got these massive wooden doors. It has marble all over the floor.
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Right after the America's Most Wanted episode airs, it happens to catch the eye of a chiropractor in Florida whose patient is none other than Ron Young.
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And that's a huge break in the case because now law enforcement, America's Most Wanted, they can all descend on Florida and make the capture.
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He gives them kind of an extraordinary gift. And it's like he's opening up his treasure trove of evidence for law enforcement. And what they discover, like, is a major break in the case.
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In September of 2006, Pima County Sheriff's Department joined forces with the Aspen Police Department and surround her house and they knock on the door and they say, we have a search warrant.
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Pamela Phillips is completely surprised by this. She tells the police, yeah, my lawyer's on the way, and the detective says, you know, I have a search warrant, so they come in, and the way she describes it is like they're scattering across her marble floors like rats.
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She has just picked up where she left off. She's recreated her world over there. She's hobnobbing with the elite. She's off hunting again for a rich, eligible bachelor. In fact, has been spotted with several.
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Some of the challenges that the prosecution faced in Ron's trial was that it was a circumstantial evidence case. They didn't have any direct evidence that linked Ron Young to the bomb.
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For the prosecution, Ron Young's one statement to Andre Mims, how he blew Gary Triano up, might as well have been a confession.
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And Gary, who is so smitten, the story goes that he calls his wife up, who's on vacation in Europe with their two children, and he just announces, you know, I'm leaving you.
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Gary bought Pam a beautiful diamond ring, which he claimed was worth $250,000. They had twin jaguars. They had this beautiful home at the base of the Catalina Mountains.
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Gary is walking towards his Lincoln Town car and he's sliding into the seat and he sees a blue canvas bag on the passenger seat.
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the impact of the explosion was incredible the front windshield flew 200 feet into the air and landed in the swimming pool I'm at home it's after-hours and I get a call from my sergeant and basically he says there's been a car explosion at the La Paloma Country Club Detective James Gamber was a newly minted detective with the Tucson Sheriff's Department, and he was brand new to homicide.
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A bombing sort of has mafia written all over it. Who would want to detonate a bomb at a posh country club in broad daylight with, you know, over 100 witnesses watching?
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It was a house of cards that was crumbling fast. He was promising investors, you know, collateral on property that he didn't own. He was promising Mexican investors money that he didn't have.
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And at one point, Pam got a phone call and picked up the phone and heard on the other line a threat from one of the investors saying, you know, If we don't get paid, we're going to kill you. Gary became extremely paranoid and he starts to sleep with a loaded gun in his bed.
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So Pam's done, and she files for divorce, and she flees, and she heads off to Aspen with her children.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
This was something like men who were like the Earl of such and such and my hobby is figuring out how heredity works or whatever. Like that's kind of how things had worked not all that long ago. And obviously things have professionalized a lot prior to World War II.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
But the field is still really new and people are still figuring out stuff like how are we going to disseminate and spread new discoveries around the world? What is that goal? Right. Right. V.a. der britische Regierung wird ein bisschen von dem Erfolg der USA mit dem Manhattan-Projekt und der Höhe des Erfolgs ausgewiesen.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Und auch wenn sie an unserer Seite sind, sagen sie, wir haben keine wissenschaftliche Industrie, die mit den Amerikanern kompetieren kann, wie wir es brauchen.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Oh, fuck, wir sollten wahrscheinlich stoppen, ja? Stoppen, unsere klugen Leute zu verbreiten. Wie The Guardian schreibt, Top britische Wissenschaftler, von Alexander Fleming, der Penicillin entdeckte, zu der Physikerin Charles Galton Darwin, dem Sohn von Charles Darwin, waren besorgt, dass, obwohl britische Wissenschaft weltklasse war, ihre Publizierung dismal war.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Wissenschaftspublisierende waren vor allem bekannt für ihre ineffiziente und ständig gebrochene Arbeit. So there is no money in scientific publishing. It's like, they barely even consider. It's like, oh yeah, you figured out how nuclear energy works. We should probably write about that at some point in a place other people can read it. But not a priority, you know?
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
We'll just let that happen whenever.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Ja, ja, so by late summer of 1946, Robert Maxwell has talked himself into maybe the sweetest gig anyone gets during the Allied occupation of Germany, which is he starts running the press section of the public relations and information services control organization.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
So obviously, right after we occupy Germany, we're not letting the Germans have newspapers of their own again, not that they're running, right? Because that didn't go well last time. Yeah. Ja, die deutsche Medien sind ein wenig aus der Hand. Er ist im Grunde genommen der Anwalt aller deutschen Printmedien, richtig? Wow.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Also, sobald die Journalisten wieder aufstehen, ist er sowohl der Sensor, also er verabschiedet alles, was rauskommt, als auch er überlegt, wie man diese profitieren kann. Und er ist einfach wirklich gut daran. Er ist schockierend gut daran, wie man einen Journalisten finanziell umsetzen kann.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
He probably got the, because he has no experience in this, he probably got the job because he was trusted by the intelligence services. You know, he's in with MI6 and they're like, probably good to have a guy who is with us running the papers in post-war Germany. But he launches, his first big paper is a social democratic paper that like becomes wildly successful and makes a huge amount of money.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
And it's like, it's really hard in Germany, which is devastated, to get enough like ink and paper and And somehow he manages to. And no one really knows how. The assumption is a mix of bribery and his connections with organized crime. People will say he was scary. He'd killed dozens of men and he was huge.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
So if he needed something and he couldn't get it for other reasons, he would just threaten to beat the shit out of you. Wow. And yeah, I probably wouldn't have wanted to fight 1946 Robert Maxwell.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
I wrote a poem about it. This paper, the first paper, the social democratic paper that he starts, is owned by a company, a publisher called Springer Verlag. You've heard of Springer. If you've ever read an academic publication, or like, I think they do textbooks too, you have seen Springer on a publication. I can picture the logo. Yeah, yeah. And this is that company, right?
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
And he gets to know the owner of the company, an elderly man named Ferdinand Springer, quite well. Now, pre-war, Springer had been the world's largest publisher of scientific literature, because Germany had been the scientific center of the planet in many ways prior to Hitler's rise to power.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Aber sobald der Krieg begann, ging die Wissenschaft weiter, weil die Nazis natürlich noch die Wissenschaft finanzierten, aber Deutschland war ein Pariastate. Und sie haben also nichts für den Rest der Welt veröffentlicht. Und so werden Bücher immer noch geschrieben, die ganze Geschichte von all diesen wissenschaftlichen Erfolgen, die während der Nazi-Periode gemacht wurden.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
And they were just building up in a warehouse that Springer had, that he was trying to keep, you know, far enough away that it didn't get blown up by Allied bombs. So at the end of the war, Ferdinand Springer is broke, but he has 63,000 books filled with like... The science of rocketry, which the Nazis had developed to a massive extent.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
And like advanced metallurgy and medical, like all of this really important, crucial science that's going to be a big part of the space race. It's just sitting in Springer's warehouse, unpublished, right? And Maxwell becomes this guy's friend. Und während sie darüber sprechen, erklärt Ferdinand ihm, wie wissenschaftliches Publizieren funktioniert.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Und er sagt, die Regierungen fundieren wissenschaftliche Forschung, so wie Universitäten. Und es gibt Gründe, und diese Gründe kommen manchmal aus Regierungen, aus verschiedenen Gründen, aus reichen Philanthropen. Und sie bezahlen für die Wissenschaft. Und dann produzieren die Wissenschaftler diese Bücher über ihre Erfindungen. Und dann bekommen die Publizisten sie im Grunde für gratis.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Und Maxwell ist so, warte einen Moment. Gratis? The most like important valuable resource in the world. People aren't even really charging for it. I got a motherfucking idea. And yeah, part of his idea is that Springer can't do anything with all these papers because German nationals are not allowed to ship things overseas right now.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Ah, we're back. This is Behind the Bastards, a podcast about terrible people. And in part one of the story of Robert Maxwell killing Maxwell's dad, he was pretty fucking rad. And unfortunately, we're now going into part two, where it's wild that this is like an episode where our bastard commits several war crimes, and we're not angry about the war crimes, really.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Like there's a limited quantity that you can mail outside of Germany as a German for obvious reasons. But Robert Maxwell can mail whatever the fuck he wants. Wow. Wow. All of German science, right? As long as he can find a way to move it. Now, Maxwell is comfortable at this point, but he's not rich. And 63,000 books worth of stuff, you have to be rich to ship that somewhere.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
We don't actually know how he pays for this. Because it's expensive, he has no real customers initially. For years, he'll have kind of claimed that like, oh, my wife's family has some money, so I use my savings and theirs, and that funded this. But his family is like, no, we didn't really give him, we didn't like him.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Like, we didn't give him anything, because his wife comes from like kind of a bougie family, and they do know that Maxwell's like a poor Jewish kid from nowhere. They don't care that he's like a war hero now. So...
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
We find out years later, we don't learn this until after Maxwell dies in the year 2000, a former MI6 officer claims that British intelligence, literally the James Bond agency, funds Maxwell's startup because he had been working undercover for them and they considered it a potentially valuable venture. MI6 is intelligently like, probably good to have a hand in all of scientific publishing.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
That might work out for us actually. Here's some money. And the MI6 officer who reveals this says it's the only time MI6 ever completely funded a startup. Maybe that's true, maybe that's not. I don't credit a literal MI6 officer with necessarily being honest about everything.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Right, right, right. Yeah, there's gotta be a couple of those, right? Q's gotta have some companies he's working with. Yeah.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
So, as noted earlier, Maxwell starts shipping this stuff to the UK and while he's doing this, his plan right now, his business is just, I want to get this over to the UK and I'll figure out a way to make it work financially because there's obviously a hunger for this material.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
But the UK, this just adds to the problem the country has, which is the scientific publishing in the UK can't handle the UK's backlog of unpublished science. 63.000 Bücher von zusätzlichen Sachen. Es hat die Systeme massiv überladen, richtig?
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Per The Guardian, Quote, The British government's solution was to pair the venerable British publishing house Butterworths with the renowned German publisher Springer to draw on the latter's expertise. Butterworths would learn to turn a profit on journals, and British science would get its work out at a faster pace.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
The Butterworths' directors, being ex-British intelligence themselves, hired the young Maxwell to help manage the company, and another ex-spook, Paul Roseboud, einer Metallurgistin, die den Krieg durch französische und deutschsprachige Regierungen mit den Briten durch französische und deutschsprachige Regierungen übernommen hat, als wissenschaftlicher Editor.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Als Butterworths das Fledgling-Projekt 1951 verlassen wollte, hat Maxwell heute 13.000 Pfund, also ca. 420.000 Euro, für Both Butterworths und Springers Steuern bestellt, mit dem er die Firma kontrolliert hat. Roseboud hat sich als wissenschaftlicher Direktor gehalten und die neue Veranstaltung Pergamon Press genannt, nach einer Karte aus der ältesten griechischen Stadt Pergamon.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Like, it's the other stuff he's gonna do that sucks. Um... Und mit uns ist wieder einmal der großartige Adam Conover. Adam, willkommen zurück auf dem Show. Wie geht es dir?
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Featuring Athena, Goddess of Wisdom, which they adapted for the company logo. A simple line drawing appropriately representing both knowledge and money. So, what starts as a British program to, like, get scientific publishing up, winds up entirely in Maxwell and Roosevelt's hands.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Because the company that the British government contracts with is like, ah, there's probably not a lot of money in this. Yeah, we'll take 13,000 pounds. For now, being in control of all of scientific publishing for Germany and the United Kingdom. That's where Maxwell's made himself. He's not 30. Like, like... He's not 30 years old yet?
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
No, no, he would have been, so he's 23 when the war ends, he would have been like 28 or 29 right now, I think. Wow.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Right, yeah.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
I'm sorry, yeah, the energy this guy had.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
That's why I haven't murdered any Germans yet. It's the cell phone. I had a Robert Maxwell secretly invented Adderall. He was just keeping it from everybody for a while. Injecting it into his leg. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's his only food. So while this business was starting off with a bang, Maxwell is still a serial entrepreneur.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
And most of his attempts at business don't work quite as well as Pergamon does. A great example of this would be a business deal he sets up in the early 50s. So he gets in bed with this German chemist. And this chemist has set up a deal to exchange chemicals shipped from Germany for glass, china and goods manufactured elsewhere, right?
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Because Germany doesn't have a lot of stuff at the end of the war, except for some raw materials. A decision is made midway through the process that we should probably send all of the stuff through Argentina, because Argentina can pay with pork bellies. Now look, I'm not an economic expert.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
I don't know why this made sense to them, but they decide like, oh yeah, pork bellies, that's better than cash, that'll really work out.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Yes. And I know someone might be saying, well, pork belly futures is probably what they were talking about. No, no. Literal pork bellies. And this becomes obvious because when they try to exchange these pork bellies to the British government for cash, the British government's like, well, these have gone rancid. These are all rancid pork bellies. We don't really want these.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
So Maxwell, they keep going. He keeps trying to sell these rancid pork bellies to different countries. And he finally finds a country that's like starving to death, Austria. And Austria is like, yeah, we will literally take anything. It's rancid, fine. We'll make it into sausage. We're doing so badly right now. Toxic pork is the best Austria can do. Thanks, Hitler. Wow.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Again, there's like a, if you've been to Berlin, you've had like currywurst, right? Which is like a Berlin dish and it's like curry on a sausage or a hot dog. It got started because in this period of time, they're like sausages were like more than at 50% sawdust. And they had curry powder because the British were there. So it was like, people won't notice the sawdust as much if we put curry on it.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Wow. So, in 1955, back doing their Pergamon business, we're out of the pork belly thing, Maxwell and his partner Rose bowed. I also just have to say, the fact that, like, this scientific publishing starts with, like, the guy who murdered a significant portion of the SS and the guy who smuggled nuclear secrets to the French Resistance, you'd think this would have ended cooler than it does.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Yeah, that can't have been like a great profit margin, right? Yeah. So in 1955, Maxwell and his partner, Roosevelt, show up at the Geneva Conference on Peaceful Uses of Nuclear Power.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
And this is kind of, we've talked about this before, one of like the inciting events to what becomes the Plowshare Program, where the US is like, we should be using nukes to dig big holes and hydraulically frack, you know? So they show up at this big conference because there's all these scientists who are presenting papers on like cutting-edge nuclear research.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
So they rent an office nearby and Maxwell spends the whole trip. He's just like crashing seminars and luncheons and dinners and finding every scientist he can who's got a paper out and is like, hey man, sign an exclusive contract with me. I will give you money in exchange for the rights to everything you publish, right? And This isn't a lot of money for him.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
I think he's giving these people like hundreds to thousands of dollars. But these are like, scientists aren't like rich men, traditionally, especially in this period. And paper publishing had never really been worth money before. So they're like, this is a great deal, right? You know, suddenly, finally, someone values my work.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
So Maxwell is just like, he's like, he's basically just going door to door, finding every scientist and being like, what will it take to sign you right now, right? Like, he's like a Hollywood agent, but for nuclear physicists.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
That's forgivable, yes. And understandable. Part 2 is going to be less so. Although, don't worry, he still does get to kill one more Nazi. So we've got that going for us. So, the immediate aftermath of the big dub-dub-dose was a busy time for Robert Maxwell. He taught himself Russian, assuming spycraft would be a lucrative part of his future.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Right, exactly, yes. And no one had ever done this in the field of science, right? This is still a gentleman's endeavor. And journals tended to be focused on what they were interested in publishing, right? So they didn't like seek people out, you know?
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
If you were a nuclear physicist and you had a paper, you'd go to the journal that did that and you would send them the paper and maybe they'd get to it eventually, right? So Maxwell's coming up with a fucking check, that's shocking to people, right? Don Frank, a competing publisher, considered this dishonest. But it worked.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
What made Pergamon so profitable was the fact that, and this is something that he realizes as a result of his conversations with Ferdinand, every university... Every government scientific organization in the entire Western world needs access to all of the relevant research in their field as it's being published. This means subscriptions to every relevant journal are a necessity.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
If you're a college and you have a bunch of different scientific programs, you're going to be subscribed to basically every journal there is. The first thing Maxwell realizes is like, well, they'll pay whatever I charge. Right? If I have exclusive rights, no one else can publish these things. I can charge as much as I want. And obviously, once he makes money, competition enters.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Other companies start figuring this out. But he makes another prediction, which is that this will work the opposite of the way most things work. The more publishers there are putting out more journals, the more money we will make. Right? Because they can't not subscribe to everything. Because all of the research is unique. Und um auf der Zeit zu bleiben, müssen sie alles kaufen.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Und an diesem Punkt in der Zeit sind all diese Universitäten, all diese Regierungen, sie werden nur von diesen riesigen Mengen von Koldauer-Era-Defenskassen finanziert. Also ist das Geld unbegrenzt, richtig? Und das ist wirklich, was er realisiert, dass ich was ich will, ich kann so viele Journalisten wie ich will, und es wird eine unendliche Menge von Geld für mich sein.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
It's $100 instead of $10. Per The Guardian, quote, As science expanded, he realized that it would need new journals to cover new areas of study. The scientific societies that had traditionally created journals were unwieldy institutions that tended to move slowly, hampered by internal debates between members about the boundaries of their field. Rosebud had none of those constraints.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
All he needed to do was convince a prominent academic that their particular field required a new journal to showcase it properly and install that person at the helm of it. Pergamon would then begin selling subscriptions to university libraries, which suddenly had a lot of government money to spend.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
So you're literally walking up to guys and saying, hey, what you do seems new, you should have a journal. And suddenly every college in the western world subscribes. Immediate profits. Ein wirklich guter Magazin arbeitet auf einem Profitverlust von 10-15%. Und das ist ein Magazin, das sehr gut funktioniert. Seine Profitverluste auf diesen Journalen sind über 50%. Wow.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Es ist verrückt, wie viel Geld sie davon machen. Sprechend von verrückten Geld. Hilf uns, das zu bekommen. So können wir uns zu wissenschaftlichen Journalen abonnieren. No, we use Sci-Hub. Everyone use Sci-Hub. Fuck these people. Fuck scientific publishing as an industry. Steal it. Not legal advice.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
He's like, number one, I'm pretty good with languages, number two, I bet living in Berlin, knowing Russian is gonna be lucrative very soon. And he is correct about that. And then he kind of goes, he takes like a break from his, like a leave of absence and travels alone to war-torn Prague to try and track down the survivors of his family. And he gets nothing but bad news, really.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
And we're back. I'm pretty sure that's not illegal for me to say. I mean, I think pretty much every grad student in the world is using it. Right, right, right. And they should be. All of this should be free.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
He is particularly scarred to hear that his 19-year-old sister Shinya had been arrested in Budapest and likely shot and then tossed into the river. One older and one younger sister survived. His younger sister was actually rescued directly by Raoul Wallenberg, who we've covered in one of our Reverse Bastards episodes.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
Should probably be everyone's property. The collective genius of mankind. I don't know. Anyway, so Roosevelt, he has this idea, which is very mercenary, but he also has like a conscience. He is a scientist and he starts to feel ashamed as Maxwell runs with it and is like, oh man, I really don't, I don't feel good being in business with you and doing this.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
I may be contributed terribly to a great evil. And he leaves. And so Maxwell's in sole charge of Pergamon now. And once he grasps Roosevelt's idea, he runs with it like fucking Usain Bolt. He's launching new journals off the strength of like somebody, he's having like drinks and some guy mentions a new idea and he's like, bam, journal, motherfucker.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
You know, if a researcher, yeah, like that, like that's literally how it's happening. By the late 50s, he brought a sort of sleazy, he's like the first 80s guy. Like he's amazing. And he brings this energy to scientific publishing. And the fact that he is this way is so out of time that it's shocking to his new peers.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
So he'll show up at these scientific conferences in like these fine tailored Italian suits. He's got his hair slicked back like a gangster. He described the journals that he owned as you lambs and himself as King David, like cutting them up for parts. Basically. That's such a, again, this is why Roosevelt quits in 56. He's like, I don't know, maybe this feels gross.
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Yes, and Maxwell invents it. Now, obviously, would something similar maybe, but like, it's him. He's the one who starts this.
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Ja, ja, ja. Und du weißt es einfach nicht. Und du weißt, ich denke, wir sind wahrscheinlich besser mit Wikipedia als die meisten Dinge auf der Internetseite.
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Ja, ja, ja.
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Yeah, Wallenberg in Budapest was like writing, I think it was Swedish, Swedish visas for every Jewish person under 15 and just like lying and saying, they're all citizens. Like every one of them. Oh my God, there's so many Swedish people here. Wow, a lot of Swedes in Budapest right now. And he saved, I mean, again, we've talked about this. He saves like 100,000 people.
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Ja, ja. Kostet 100 Dollar pro Monat oder so ein Scheiß oder was auch immer. Ja. Und es sagt dir, dass Elon Musk, du wirst bald einen Hyperloop in deiner Stadt bekommen oder was auch immer. Ja. Ja. So the next Geneva conference, now working alone, Robert Maxwell rents a mansion on the lake and he starts wining and dining the best minds of the scientific world.
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Again, he's taking these guys and ladies who have spent their whole careers with their nose in a book, generally don't have much money, begging for grants, and he is treating them like movie stars or pop musicians. An einem Punkt kriegt er ein paar von diesen Leuten zusammen, um einen Journal zu starten.
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Und er setzt sie auf eine geplante Boat-Tour der griechischen Eilen, um herauszufinden, wie sie den Journal machen. Es ist wie klassische Hollywood-Era-Scheit, wo du sagst, geh in Italien für drei Monate und schreibe diesen Film zusammen oder so etwas. Das ist, was er mit diesen Wissenschaftlern tut. Und ja, sie sind so, dass es viel besser ist, als ein armer Wissenschaftler zu sein.
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This would work on me.
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And one thing people say, to be fair to Maxwell, he introduces the mercenary capitalism to this, but he's always centered on the science. And one thing the scientists he works with will say is, whenever we had a disagreement, he would always ultimately side with the scientists, right? So it's after him that things do get much more evil.
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And it's with another company, El Selvier, where things get a lot worse. But he makes that process inevitable, even though he is really dedicated to the scientists in this period of time. Ähm, und auch, ich möchte nur noch etwas dazu hinzufügen, was Adam gesagt hat. Wenn jemand mich auf eine Charter-Boot-Tour der griechischen Eilen aufbauen möchte, um einen Journal zu starten, bin ich da.
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Du hast mich. Du hast mich gekauft, ich werde bezahlt. Ja, so he told his deputy director at Pergamon, we don't compete on sales, we compete on authors, right? So this is a talent-driven business and that's what, again, it feels very similar to like Hollywood, at least at this time. I don't know how much that's an influence to him, but he is kind of working that way.
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His attitude is that like drawing in more authors exclusively means like more journals that he owns and thus more sales. In 1959, Pergamon had 40 journals. By the mid 60s, it would publish more than 150, which is like almost like 10 times as many as El Selvier, which is again the most evil of these companies today. But at this point is just barely keeping up as like a competitor to Pergamon.
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Maxwell ist nicht ein besonders patriotischer Geschäftsmann. Er sieht keine nationalen Grenzen. Er hat wirklich gute Verbindungen mit der USSR. Es ist immer seltsam, und das ist Teil dessen, warum Leute über seine Spionage-Kredenzen wundern. Wann er Moskau besucht, setzt die sowjetische Regierung ihn in eine Mansion. Sie lieben ihn wirklich. I think, I mean, he definitely is doing some spying.
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And I'm sure they're also putting him up in the mansion because it's like wired and they want to spy on him. But he has really good connections too. He speaks really good Russian. He knows a lot of prominent people in the Soviet Union. And the evidence for that is that when like the USSR launches Sputnik,
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He negotiates within days an English language deal with the Russian Academy of Sciences to become the exclusive English language publisher of like Russian science. Whoa.
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And one of them is Robert Maxwell's younger sister. So this is obviously about as devastating a road trip as you can go on, traveling through like the battle scars of Eastern Europe to find out basically no one lived. In your family. And this is kind of the last time that he directly acknowledges his Jewish roots for decades.
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All of like these. Yeah. So he is connected. He sounds like a blast to spend a weekend with. He sounds like a shitload of fun. Yeah. Right? And there's so many quotes about this guy. Like all of the scientists who work with him are like, he was a piece of shit. A lot of fun though. Yeah, he was an asshole. Through great parties. Yeah, like I really enjoyed spending time with this guy who sucked.
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Yeah. Now, obviously, Maxwell does not make this, as I said, as evil as it becomes. But the downsides of what he starts are very obvious today. The modern field of scientific literature is crazy. krippelig teuer für Institutionen wie Bibliotheken und Universitäten, die dergleichen ihre Kosten an die Studenten übergeben.
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Und während Maxwell zu Beginn Wissenschaftler mit Vermögen von Ausgaben beobachtete, hat er in den Mitte der 60er-Jahre geholfen, ein System zu normalisieren, in dem individuelle Forscher mehr auf Journalisten verlangten als auf sie, laut The Guardian.
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It is as if the New Yorker or the Economist demanded that journalists write and edit each other's work for free and ask the government to foot the bill. And like nothing works like this industry does. And that is, by the way, a description of how it is now.
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Yeah, well, I mean, they do. There are some cases of that, but like you also, I mean, it's just how kind of everything works in capitalism. There are economies of scale. By the time this gets underway, the big companies are so big that Du und dein Dinky Journal, die werden dich wahrscheinlich nur kaufen, richtig? Und wenn die Universität Geld für unseren Journal erholt, dann ist es Geld, richtig?
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Jeder denkt kurzfristig über so eine Sache, nicht, wie es dich im Laufe der Zeit f***t, weißt du? Und wiederum, keine Industrie funktioniert so, wie wissenschaftliche Publizierung es macht. Es ist so ein f***ing Grift. Es ist alles ein Grift. Es ist ein riesiger f***ing ewiger Grift.
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Du hast mich verrückt darüber. You can find very good quotes in articles about this, including some that we'll have linked in the show notes, where there are prominent scientists being like, the primary barrier to scientific progress is the way scientific publishing works, right? Like, it's, I mean, maybe not right now, given things the administration's doing, yeah.
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These are a little older articles, but it's a massive problem. Now, the ultimate result of the system that Robert Maxwell built is one in which as long as the government maintains a priority in funding sciences, the industry is super profitable, right? The US or whoever pays for research, yada, yada, yada. And so we'll see what happens to publishing now that some of that's starting to change.
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Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science
When he returns to occupied Berlin to work as an interrogator, he fully inhabits Robert Maxwell, British officer. He's been promoted to a captain at this point. Und es ist nicht versteckt. Er versucht nicht, seine Ursprünge zu öffnen, aber er erzählt nicht den Leuten, mit denen er jetzt startet, über sie.
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Um... But yeah, it's interesting.
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Yeah. Yeah, why would they do that? Why would they give any money to anybody? That's not what they're going to do. They're going to take it to, as Maxwell's about to do, buy a palace. And again, he's not as bad as the guys who replace him, right? Because he does, ultimately, he makes a lot of times, he will make decisions that cost him money because a scientist says it's the right thing to do.
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And he does ultimately side with his scientists. Yeah. Und er kann das tun, weil es so viel Flex gibt. Es gibt so viel Extra-Profit. Er kann es erlauben, aber die Leute, die ihn ersetzen, werden nicht mehr so wenig Schmerzen haben. Sie werden sich einfach nicht mehr aufhören. Und das wird die Zeitlinie dieser Episoden ein bisschen zerstören.
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Aber um zu sprechen, wo es heute mit wissenschaftlichem Publizieren ist, möchte ich einmal mehr von einem anderen Guardian-Artikel zitieren. The publishing business is perverse and needless, the Berkeley biologist Michael Eisen wrote in a 2003 article for The Guardian, declaring that it should be a public scandal.
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Adrian Sutton, a physicist at Imperial College, told me that scientists are all slaves to publishers. What other industry receives its raw materials from its customers, gets those same customers to carry out the quality control on those materials, and then sells the same materials back to the customers at a vastly inflated price?
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Today every scientist knows that their career depends on being published and professional success is especially determined by getting work into the most prestigious journals. The long, slow, nearly directionless work pursued by some of the most influential scientists of the 20th century is no longer a viable career option.
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Under today's system, the father of genetic sequencing, Fred Sanger, who published very little in the two decades between his 1958 and 1980 Nobel Prizes, may well have found himself out of a job.
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That's actually, I think, a really important point, is that so many of the foundational discoveries of modernity as we know it, were not the result of like a team of people working in, you know, for profit for a company in order to make a thing. It was the result of a scientist who had an interest and kind of in a meandering way pursued it for decades until he changed life for every human being.
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Und die größte Mehrheit der Leute, die ihn kennen und mit ihm arbeiten, haben keine Ahnung, dass er jüdisch ist, dass er in der österreichischen Tschechoslowakei geboren ist. Und er ist einer dieser Dinge. Ich glaube nicht, dass er jemals religiös war. Also glaube ich, dass Judäa nie seine Glauben in einer bedeutenden Weise war, weil ich glaube, dass er einfach ein natürlicher Atheist ist.
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Yeah. Right? Jonas Salk had a personal crusade against polio. You know? Like... Das kann nicht passieren. Und das ist Teil des Wesens. Und das ist wirklich schlecht für uns alle.
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Richtig, genau. Maxwell, wir sind wieder bei ihm. Ich dachte wirklich, wir sollten sagen, ja, das ist so, wie schlechte Dinge enden. Aber das ist nach seinem Tod. Die Nobelfamilie, die dort gelebt hat, hat es im Jahr 1953 verkauft. Und Maxwell kauft es, weil er nicht Englisch ist, er ist nicht natürlich Teil der High Society. Aber indem er dieses Palast kauft, kann er sich ein bisschen verletzen.
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Jetzt kann er diese Art von Partys machen, die alle in der High Society zeigen werden. Und er macht das in seiner Heimat und in der Hauptstadt von Pergamon Press. Und das ist die Art und Weise, wie es in den USA funktioniert. Ich denke, bis heute kann man ein paar Ebenen der sozialen Hierarchie überschreiten, wenn man das richtige Haus kauft. Er und Betty hatten im Endeffekt neun Kinder.
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Und das ist, sein Leben ist nie, sein persönlicher Leben ist nie einfach. Für alles, dass er ein reiches Monster ist, hat er wirklich eine schwierige Lebensweise. In 1957, he and Betty lose their three-year-old daughter to leukemia. In 1961, their oldest son Michael is in a car crash that leaves him coma-bound for seven years. He dies finally in 1968.
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And that nearly a decade, and this is during his most productive period as a businessman, his son is just in a fucking coma dying. It just, it kind of... breaks everyone. Like, his family is sort of ruined as a result of this. He and Betty stop talking, really. Like, they don't... Their relationship is never the same.
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And normally when we say that for a man this rich, it's because... And he does cheat on her a bunch. But, like, in this case, it's because, you know, this just breaks their relationship. Yeah. And it breaks their ability to kind of care for their other kids. Like, he stops talking to his surviving children until...
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And I hate to make anyone sympathetic to Gillen Maxwell, but in 1961, his youngest daughter, Gillen, at age three, tells her mother, Mommy, I exist, in an attempt to get attention. Because, like, after this accident, they're just ignoring their kids so much. Like, she has to, like, state to her parents, I am a person at age three. So reported this. This is was in his biography by Preston.
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And I believe this was reported by one of the Maxwell brothers. And again, this is this is well before the scandal.
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So they probably wouldn't remember it. His brothers are old.
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Und ich denke, nach diesem Erkennung, dass das sein Heimatland ist, ist es einfach zu schmerzhaft, weil seine Familie verletzt wurde, richtig? Und so hat er es wirklich nicht für Jahrzehnte. Er kümmert sich um seine Schwestern. Er schickt sie beide in die Vereinigten Staaten. Er schickt seine Jüngeren. Er zahlt für seine jüngere Schwester, um zur Schule zu gehen.
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Yeah, that really fucked us all up, actually. I still don't feel bad for her. I'm not saying you should feel bad for her, but this should tell you how bad things are in his personal life.
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Still don't feel bad for her. Yeah, yeah. He does start to smother her with affection from this point forward, right? Partly as a result of this. And she's kind of the only one in his immediate family that he acts with love towards after this. He will lash out at his sons and at his wife for the rest of his days. But he never really does it.
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Gillen, she becomes coddled and is obviously his favorite. So again, there we go. There we go. Sympathy ended. We're good now. Don't have to think about that sad three-year-old anymore. Now, if you recall, Maxwell had promised his future wife Betty that during the war he would one day be rich and become the Prime Minister.
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He had obviously already become rich and in the mid-1960s he starts to work towards political power. In 1964 he runs for Parliament in the constituency of Buckingham and he wins as a member of the Labour Party. And this is a weird aside, he identifies as a socialist his entire life.
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Yep, he strongly identifies as a socialist.
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Yeah, here's the thing. But not scientific research. Not scientific research. That doesn't count. And also unions don't count. Okay. I think he identifies as a socialist because his mom did. And he isn't one. He never acts as one. But I think that's just a part of his ego. He probably knows his mom would not like what he's done with his life at this point. Aber ja, er ist Teil der Labour Party.
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Und er spielt eine Rolle in der Veränderung von Labour zu Neu-Labour, richtig? Das ist, als die britische Labour Party die Unionen zerstört, richtig? Robert Maxwell ist Teil dieser Prozesse. Wie? Was tut er? Wir sprechen darüber. Wir sprechen darüber. Sprechend von Dingen, über die wir sprechen, hier sind die Ads.
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Also er bleibt seine Familie kümmern. Er hat einfach, ich denke, es ist zu schmerzhaft für ihn, um seine Hintergrund in irgendeiner Weise zu erinnern.
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Yes, but he is lucky. For a lot of people, there aren't, right? Because of how many states are destroyed and how chaotic the movement is. But he... Okay. And he does take care of his family, though what little is left of it.
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So, Robert is now gotten himself into Parliament, is part of Labour. And you have to remember, again, he's a socialist and he's also a business owner though. And so he hates unions because they compete with his power. And so when interviewed after the election, he tells everybody, I come from a very humble farm laboring family and would rather cut off my arm than betray my class.
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And it's true that he does come from a humble farm laboring family, but there is no bigger class traitor than this fucking guy.
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His political peers who knew him claimed that he also told them he wanted to become prime minister, and one colleague cited in the book Fall later quoted him as having admitted, well, of course I'm conservative, but I'm not a member of the establishment, so I've got to become labor. Which is a very Trumpian comment, right? That like... I'm not a member of the establishment. I'm a billionaire.
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I own all of science, but I'm not part of the establishment fundamentally. So I'm a conservative, but I'm with labor, right? I'm actually a progressive somehow. It's like an Elon Musk statement.
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Yeah, yeah. And he also considers, so a big thing once he gets into labor is he starts telling everyone else we have to modernize the labor party. And what he means by that is our pro-union attitudes are outdated. We have to stop being pro-union, right? Um, now this is not initially super popular. A lot of unions voting in this period of time still.
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They have not been crushed by Thatcher entirely. Um, eventually he switched out his chauffeured Rolls Royce for an old Land Rover to try to portray himself as a man of the people. And like, buddy, a Land Rover is still an expensive car. Like, that's like, no, I'm going to trade my Maserati for a Lambo. So people know I'm a working man, right? I don't know, man.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this did not have the intended effect. And although he was reelected in 1966, he ultimately lost his seat in 1970 and failed to win it back during the next cycle. Still, Adam, you'll be happy to hear this. He achieved the goal of every politician in the 60s and 70s, having an awkward photo taken with Henry Kissinger. Just look at the two of them. Und Maxwell ist da drüben.
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Er lacht in der Runde, als wäre er ein Mob-Boss neben Kissinger. Ich liebe dieses Bild.
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Ja, und vielleicht auch ein bisschen Aqua-Velvet. Oh, ja. Yeah, he smells like the back room of an Italian deli that's actually a mob front.
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It's shocking to me, again, that he's like a Czech-Ruthenian-Jewish guy. Because if you had told me this man was the most Italian fellow ever, I'd be like, yeah, that guy is Italian as shit. Look at him. Like, he has the face of a mob boss. Like, you could have put him in The Soprano.
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Yeah, he does it all. And he is like, again, a monster. But the only guy I've ever heard of who you can really say like, yeah, he is kind of less a self-made billionaire. Yeah. Ja. Ja. Denk daran, Maxwell und Kissinger starten beide ihre Leben wie Schrapnel aus diesem horrifizierten Konflikt, der von den Nazis besiegt wurde.
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Und dann die Welt der Möglichkeiten, die sich im Zweiten Weltkrieg eröffnet, erlaubt ihnen beide, diese unglaublich hohen Werte zu erreichen. Ich denke, du hast einen wirklich guten Punkt da, dass die Art und Weise, wie die Welt sich eröffnet, nach der Zweiten Weltkrieg, viele dieser Jungs' unmögliche Leben ermöglichen. I can't wait for World War III.
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Yes, yes. But maybe we'll get a chance to fight some SS guys on a farm, you know? At least there's that, Adam. It could happen. Es könnte hier passieren. Ja, aber sie haben herausgefunden, dass er von Jan geboren wurde. Er war nicht von Jan geboren, aber das ist, was sie dachten. Dieser Typ ist ein Ruthenian. Er ist ein Ruthenian, ja. So his political career is uneven at best.
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Business seemed to be a welcoming place for him, at least until late 1969, after he negotiated what should have been a great deal to sell Pergamon Press to a wealthy American investor, Saul Steinberg.
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Now, he is an interrogator now in Berlin, and that is, it is unlikely that his job as an interrogator always stuck to the letter of international law, by which I mean, he probably tortured people, right? This is the start of the Cold War, he is in Berlin interrogating people, and initially a lot of former Nazis, but like, one has to assume there's some ugliness to this job.
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Unfortunately for our boy, Maxwell illegally concealed the true value of the company, basically pretending it was a lot worth more than it was, via what writer Robert Philpott calls smoke and mirrors accounting practices. He gets removed from the board of directors and the UK starts an investigation in his activities that concludes in 71.
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After finding huge amounts of fraudulent payments moved from one department to another to hide the cost of other investments that went bad and prop up segments of his business that were struggling, the report concluded, Robert Maxwell is not, in our opinion, a person who can be relied on to exercise proper stewardship of a public company. And that's the end of the story, right? Obviously. Yeah.
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Yeah. Now, five years later, he takes control of Pergamon again. He's running it all. And his southern rise and fall earns him the nickname The Bouncing Czech, like C-Z-E-H, which is not bad. It's not bad. Great work. The bouncing check. Look, the British press. Good at some things. Yeah, I love that shit.
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And for the next 10 years after this improbable rise back, he goes from strength to strength. He buys Europe's largest printing company. He becomes owner of The Mirror, Britain's largest left-leaning paper. And now that he finally owns a paper, this is how he really plays a major role in the shift to new labor.
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weil er es beginnt, das größte linksflächendeckende Papier in den USA, um Unionorganisatoren zu attackieren. Er läuft das, was der sozialistische Arbeiter beschrieben hat, als eine Schmierkampagne gegen Arthur Scargill, Chef der Mineworkers Union. Das ist während eines großen Kampfes zwischen den Mineworkers und Thatcher, glaube ich.
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Quote, Scargill and the socialist values he represented were seen as a barrier to the modernization of the Labour Party. The vile attacks, which lasted for the better part of a year, were baseless, yet they did terrible damage. And he does this over and over again, right? He has like a one man war against the unions in the UK, wielding the left wing paper to execute it.
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I think the way the wind is blowing doesn't hurt. I think he is a personal, I should be able to, I know what's best, I should be able to make all the decisions. And if you got a union, the boss doesn't make all the decisions, right? They're restricted to some extent.
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Right, exactly. And Maxwell, the socialist, uses this big left-leaning paper as an engine to push labor against unions. And unfortunately, while he does this, the paper grows in circulation and becomes more profitable than ever. Because again, he's really good at the nuts and bolts of running a newspaper. Like, he's just, he's like, he's like almost like LeBron, right?
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Like, he's just got this built-in skill he was born with for knowing how to make a paper profitable. I don't know why. Like,
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Yeah, we need another one of those who's not evil. Yeah.
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Yeah, right. Wow. Wow. And Murdoch is obviously his rival at this time, but this is kind of before Murdoch has done most of what he's going to get famous for, like Fox News isn't really a thing yet. And Murdoch, to a degree, cribs a little bit from this guy's notes, in terms of like, oh... He's taking some notes.
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Not that he's not doing any of this before, but he's influenced a little bit by the degree to which Maxwell is able to turn these publications he owns to push his own agendas. And he is a famously terrible guy to work for. Per a biography in the Times of Israel, he bullied and humiliated staff relentlessly, calling his ludicrously titled chief of staff at 4 a.m.
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Das ist auch ein Zeitpunkt, 1946, in dem ein offizieller Occupier mehr oder weniger jeder Art und Weise reagieren konnte, wie sie es wollten, unter der kapitänischen deutschen Bevölkerung. Und Maxwell hat es sicherlich gemacht, weil jeder in Deutschland starb. Und auch die meisten von ihnen waren Nazis. Also, zum Beispiel, mein Großvater ist im gleichen Zeitraum und im gleichen Bereich. Wow.
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one Sunday morning to ask him the time and instilled a culture of distrust and rivalry. He bugged his staff. By which I mean, he bugged them with surveillance devices, spending hours alone listening to the recordings for evidence of disloyalty, and even had them followed.
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We missed a flashback scene if you've machine gunning the SS. Alas. So this is, again, to kind of play on the succession vibes. His sons are, he puts in his business, right? And he fires them. He fires his son, Ian Maxwell, because like he doesn't have, he's not like waiting for him when he lands on a plane one day. He instead like sends a chauffeured vehicle. And so Maxwell fires his kid.
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And Ian's first words when he gets fired are, thank Christ, I'm finally out of the madhouse. Ja, ja, definitiv werden wir nie frei sein. Nun, dieser Quote kommt aus einem riesigen Teil von Maxwell in den Zeiten von Israel.
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Und die Zeiten von Israel betrifft ihn besonders, weil er in den Mitte der 80er-Jahre, nach Jahrzehnten, der seine jüdische Herkunft wirklich ignoriert hat, einen Mann trifft, der sagt, du sollst nach Israel gehen, und er wird all-in und beginnt, massiv investieren. in the Israeli economy.
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His wealth gives him instant access to the Prime Minister, Yitzhak Schmir, and he announces his intention, I'm going to put a quarter of a billion dollars into Israel, and he normally lies when he says stuff like this, but he does this. And he uses his profits from the mirror in order to do this. And I'm going to quote from his biography. And boy is he useful to the Mossad. In 1986...
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Also gibt es einen Wissenschaftler, einen israelischen Wissenschaftler, Mordecai Venunu, der Teil des israelischen Nuklearprogramms ist, aber Israel erkennt trotzdem nicht, dass sie Nukes haben, richtig? Wir wissen sie, jeder weiß, aber es ist wie... Sie erkennt nicht, dass sie sie jetzt haben? I still don't believe they've officially acknowledged their nuclear capacity.
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I should actually double check on that. I know it took a long time. But they have not at this point, right? It is not officially stated. It's just kind of a thing everyone knows. And Mordecai goes to the British press with inside info about Israel's nuclear program. And one of the papers he goes to is the Mirror. And so he leaks...
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zu Maxwells Papier und Maxwell gibt ihn auf den Mossad und er wird für 18 Jahre verhaftet. Was in Journalismus-Terminen schlecht ist.
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Ja, schlechtes Publisher-Movement. Hey, Robert hier. Und ich wollte nur aufmerksam machen, dass die Geschichte von Mordecai Vanunu viel komplizierter ist als nur Robert Maxwell oder The Mirror. The Mirror ist nicht die erste Publikation, die er verlinkt hat. Ich glaube, er ging erst nach The Sunday Times. Aber Robert Maxwell ist involviert. Es ist ein bisschen unklar.
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Es scheint, dass es eine Situation war, wo mehr als eine Person zu den Mossad ging, über das, was er sagte. Aber ja, Maxwell war definitiv involviert, als jemand anderes die Geschichte an die Sunday Mirror verkaufte. Und er ging zu den Mossad über es. Anyway, Mordecai is a very interesting guy, obviously a very courageous guy. The story is really worth looking into.
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I also did want to note, because we had a question about this earlier, Israel still does not officially admit that they have nuclear weapons, although they're believed to have somewhere between like 1 and 400 warheads. Es ist, dass ihre offizielle Verteidigungstrategie ist, weder zu bestätigen noch zu negieren, dass sie das tun.
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Es wurde in den letzten 70er Jahren klar, dass sie das tun, aber das ist nicht etwas, das offiziell verabschiedet wird. Also, ich wollte nur diese Verkürzung hinzufügen. Now, there are allegations, unfortunately, because he's involved in the Mossad, and he definitely is, there's also insane allegations, right?
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Like, you can find every conspiracy connected to this guy, and he's basically framed as having been a major Mossad agent, and that's just really not accurate. One of the big things you'll hear is that, and this comes from the book Robert Maxwell, Israel's Super Spy, which is... Let's say somewhat exaggerated.
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And they allege that he stole a piece of surveillance software called Promise without an E, which was programmed to let law enforcement agencies track criminals and having a backdoor installed in it. And the Baltimore Sun sums up their argument.
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They report that Maxwell sold the program to most of the important government intelligence services in the world at a personal profit of more than half a billion dollars.
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Into the program, they write, Israeli technicians collaborating with Maxwell implanted an electric trap door that allowed Israeli intelligence to tap many of the highest state secrets of the Soviet Union, Britain, the US and other nations. And this is not true. And it's also not true in a way that is blaming, is denying what the US government did, because promise is a real thing.
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And it really was used to tap a bunch of governments. But the US government was the inciting agent here. Right? This is one of ours. Now Maxwell is involved. I'm going to explain what happened. So this software was designed by a software developer in Washington called Inslaw so prosecutors could monitor case records and keep track of different people in the system, right? Like that is the purpose.
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So prosecutors can monitor the progression of cases against different accused criminals. It was developed under a Department of Justice grant. So the DOJ was licensed to use it, but the license said the government cannot modify, create derivative versions of it or sell it. Und die Reagan-Administration ist so wie, fuck it, was haben wir einfach nur so gemacht, oder?
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Hard to blame anybody for that. I consider them war booty. Maxwell does the same thing, but with so much more panache. Because he's got this job where he's interrogating old Nazis, he meets Hitler's former dentist? Das ist die erste sehr seltsame Verbindung. Hitler's old dentist sagt Robert Maxwell, du weißt, ich kenne den Mann, der Hitler's geliebten deutschen Schöpfer, Blondie, geboren hat.
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Laut einem Artikel in der Neue Staatsbank, unter der Ronald Reagan-Administrationen, die Kovid-Intelligenz-Initiative, die sogenannte Follow-the-Money, die NSA-Misappropriation von Vermögen für Banken in 1982. Die Version von Vermögen, die von der NSA verkauft wurde, wurde durch ein Backdoor in das Programm ermöglicht.
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allowing the agency to covertly conduct real-time electronic surveillance of the flow of money to suspected terrorists and other perceived threats to US national interests. A letter from the US Department of Justice in 1985, later obtained by Inslaw because the company sues the shit out of the government for this, So number one, this is on us.
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The Mossad does not start this program and they don't put the back. It's not Israeli technicians who put the back door in. Reagan's guys do, right? A bunch of the shadiest, now Israel does get involved in this and they do profit from this, but it starts with us. A bunch of the shadiest operators in the 1980s are allowed to sell pirated versions of promise.
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The Attorney General under Reagan, Ed Meese, will basically license you to sell pirated, compromised versions of promise to foreign governments if you're his friend. Wow. That's part of how this works. It's like a way the Reagan administration is rewarding loyal people. It's like, hey, you did us good and you've got a good connection over in... You know, Ecuador or whatever.
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Why don't we let you sell this to their government? And then we get a backdoor into the government and this guy gets to make some money, right? Wow. And one of the people who gets tapped as a result of this program, because they want to sell promise to Iraq, Libya and several other Middle Eastern countries. And this is hard. So they enlist the help of a Mossad guy named Rafi Aytan.
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And that guy in the Mossad is like, maybe a guy at the Mossad isn't the best dude to sell to Iraq. But you know who can sell shit to anybody? Yeah. Bobby Maxwell, Baby. Und das ist, wo er in das kommt, richtig? Gordon Thomas, der Autor dieses Israel-Super-Spy-Buches, er ist der Grund, warum Maxwell eine halbe Billion in Lizenzen macht. Ich weiß nicht, wie viel Maxwell wirklich macht.
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But he doesn't start like he is. He's kind of a middleman in the process. And Thomas portrays him as like at the core of the process. But this is like fucked up. And he does sell. He sells, I think, to the Soviet Union. He sells to a shitload of governments that allows the US to spy on them. And he profits personally from this. So this is like a lot of skullduggery it's involved in.
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It's just a lot more centered on Ed Meese and the Reagan administration than some of these other claims. Make. And obviously Israel profits from this too, because they are using Maxwell to sell it to countries that they want Intel on, right? So that is happening, that is a part of this story. It's just not the start of it.
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Now, there are numerous allegations of Maxwell's fingers in arms dealers that the Israeli government found useful too, and some of these are true, but it's not, it's often portrayed as he is an arms dealer. He's not. He is a guy who knows logistics, and so When a friend is like, hey, we need the shipment to get through this port, he's like, I know guys there. I'll make sure it moves, right?
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He's a, you know, that's the kind of thing he's useful for. And so he is connected to the Mossad because he's a powerful, rich businessman who desperately wants to prove his loyalty to the country, like to Israel, and has connections everywhere. And that's kind of his use.
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And there's a much more accurate look at his spying and his involvement in intelligence agencies in the book Foreign Body, The Secret Life of Robert Maxwell by Russell Davies. And Davies outlines the dimensions of these shady dealings in a way that I think is a lot more accurate. Because he argues, it's hard to imagine Maxwell himself doing an arms deal directly, right?
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Quote, Quote, Quote, Quote, Wow. Wow. Wow.
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Das ist der Hund, den er mit Cyanide in den Bunker gefüttert hat. Das ist sein Kind. Und da ist dieser Junge, der den Hund, den Kinnel-Operator, geboren hat, der die Hunde von Hitler geboren hat. Und so sagt Robert Maxwell, ich muss diesen Scheiß treffen. Also besucht er diesen Mann.
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The parties sound great. The arms dealing, the spying on every foreign government in the world for the CIA and the Mossad. I don't love that, but the parties. Mm-hmm. Da gibt es einen, wie Margaret Thatcher eine Rede an seinem Geburtstag dieses Jahres, wo sie darüber spricht, wie großartig sie ist, weil er sie nicht mag. Sie sind wie Feinde im Publikum.
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Aber sie ist so, ich denke, er mag mich geheimlich und dann erklärt sie alle Wege, wie sie denkt, sie ist cool. Es ist so ein fucking Thatcher-Moment.
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It is sick. I want to read a quote from John Preston's book that sort of gives you a description of the vibe of this party. Unbewusst, wie viel es kostete, tippte Maxwell-Chef es später in einen Beef-Stew. Als die Gäste ihre Trinken trinken, marschierte die Band der Coldstream-Guarden zurück und forth über den Lahn.
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Bevor das Abendessen begann, machten Robert und Betty ihre formalen Eingriff in den Marquis zu einem Anruf vom Meister der Zeremonien. Meine Damen und Herren, bitte begrüßen Sie Ihren Host und Hostess, Robert und Elisabeth Maxwell. So like parties parties. Like real rich people parties.
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Yeah, kind of. We'll sing her own praises at your birthday. Yeah, classic Thatcher. Make it all about her. The greatest generation, though. Yeah, definitely the greatest generation.
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There's like a really funny moment from this where like one of his friends goes like during this party, kind of like finds his way walking around like the back of the house outside of like the areas they're supposed to be partying in. And notices that like, well, all the furniture outside of like the big public areas kind of looks like shit. And all of the books on his bookshelf are fake.
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Like they're made out of cardboard. They're like fake books. Now Preston says only the books concealing his stereo system were fake. I don't know. But this is kind of evidence that as rich as he was on paper and this is the thing he's worth 4.4 billion on paper or something like that. He's not actually doing as well as it seems, right?
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And 1998 is nearer to the end of his time in the limelight than the beginning. That year, the same year as this fucking party, he spends 2.6 billion dollars buying US publisher Macmillan. And that's a billion dollars more than its own shareholders valued it at? Like, he kind of does a musk, where he's like, I'll offer you 2.6 billion.
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And they're like, we were not going to ask for that much, but oh, fucking K, right? Yeah. He had to borrow from 44 banks to afford it. And he does this, not because, again, he's... Wow. Wow.
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Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about. Anyway, back to being evil. In March of 1991, he started making a series of ill-advised acquisitions in New York media. He purchased the New York Daily News, which was like the oldest daily paper in New York at the time, but also in disastrous financial condition. There's like a horrible strike going on. It is not a good buy. It's such a bad buy. Wow.
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Ja, viele Leute, die mit Hitler zusammenarbeiten.
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Yes. Yes, please take this shit and all of its debts off of our fucking hands. Wow. And again, his assumption is, because in the past, every time he's got a paper, he's been able to turn it around, right? And make it super. He's got this skill. So he sails his yacht, the Lady Gillen, named after his daughter, into the city harbor to take control of the paper.
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He gives this like grand speech on the street. And like there's all these articles in New York papers being like the savior of New York. Und es gibt auch ein paar Leute, die für ihn gearbeitet haben, in verschiedenen Papieren in der UK, die sagten, er ist eigentlich ein großer Arschloch. Niemand kann für ihn arbeiten. Das wird nicht gut für euch enden. Und es ist sicher nicht.
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Also kommt die 80er-Jahre zu einem Ende. Leider. Ich weiß, dass wir alle das immer noch weinen. Und plötzlich kommt ein großer ökonomischer Popp. Right. And interest rates skyrocket. And all of this debt that he had taken on to keep building this. He's always robbing Peter to pay Paul like a certain guy that we all know about right now.
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Like he's always in debt to a lot of banks for all this stuff. And suddenly it gets a lot more expensive to service that debt. And so in 1991, he has to sell Pergamon Press. And that's his like baby in order to keep everything else afloat. And that's also the profitable part of his empire.
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So he has now sold the golden goose to pay for the shit that's horribly in debt that he can't make a profit on. Not a great move. So, what do you do? If you're a guy who sucks ass and hates unions and hates your employees and suddenly you're out of money and you need to keep funding all of this debt.
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My aunt, when she was hitchhiking through Germany in the 50s, got picked up by a guy she later found out was Hitler's photographer. We have a bunch of photos he gave her. He just picked her up on the road. Photos of Hitler? Yes, we have a lot of weird Hitler photos in my family. dass sie einfach so war, dass sie nicht wusste, was mit ihnen zu tun hat.
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Where do you go when interest rates are fucked and you simply can't take any more loans from banks?
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Where do you go? Well, you know where there's a lot of money in any given company that's been around this long with a large workforce? The pension plan. He raids the pension plan. He raids the pension. He steals nearly half a billion dollars from the pension plan.
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This is kind of his mental state. He's in this period of collapse. And also right around this time, it becomes known that he is being investigated for war crimes in World War II. Because he like wrote letters to his wife and talked about them, like to journalists about like, again, I machined gun prisoners. And again, it's the least bad thing he ever did. But so he's got that.
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Zweitens, er hat all diese Schulden, sein ganzes Empire ist in der Lage zu zerstören, als er auf seinem Fahrrad, Lady Gillan, am 1. November 1991 verkauft hat. Er bekommt ständig Nachrichten von verschiedenen Banken, die sagen, hey, das ist überdurchschnittlich. Kannst du sogar beweisen, dass du nicht mehr in Solvent bist?
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Swissbank ist versichert, öffentlich zu gehen und hat den London-Polizei gesagt, dass er eine Menge Regeln gebrochen hat. Also ist er in viel Trouble. And around 5 a.m. on November 1st, I think it's November 1st, 1991, he falls overboard off the stem of his yacht as it passes towards Tenerife.
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And his body is fished out of the ocean about 12 hours later by the Spanish National Rescue Service helicopter. Niemand weiß genau, was passiert ist. Das, was man am meisten oft findet, ist, dass der Mossad ihn getötet hat. Und ich sehe keinen Grund dafür, das zu glauben.
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Zum einen erhält er ein Feierabend in Israel, das von dem Bundespräsidenten und dem israelischen Präsidenten, Shimon Peres, besucht wird. Okay, das ist das, was der israelische Präsident an seinem Feierabend sagt. Kings and Barons besieged his doorstep. He was a figure of almost mythological stature.
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But there are like allegations that basically he tried to blackmail the Mossad to get them to pay him 400 million dollars. And it, I don't know, doesn't seem like the kind of move he'd have made. Again, he's a steal the pension plan guy.
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What does that explain? You know? Again, he was the number one investor over there. He was extremely popular there. He had destroyed the pensions of huge numbers of people in the UK. Like, if anyone wanted to kill him, it's a bunch of them. Yeah. And he was about to fuck up a lot of US publishing. But like...
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Yeah, it's just one of those things where there are three different coroner reports and they don't agree. And so that'll often get like, and none of the coroners could agree. But what the coroners can't agree on is, did he have a heart attack or did he jump in? And both are, he's 68, he was in bad health.
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Mit meinen Hitler-Picks? Oh mein Gott.
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It's also, it's perfectly possible either he knew that he was fucked and he wanted to die, right? Or that he had a heart attack because he was super stressed out and 68 and not in good health and he fell off his boat. Ja. Wow. Yeah, maybe. He's one of them. Yeah.
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Ja, ja. Ich preferiere die Großvater-Klocken zu den Hitler-Picks. So, but Maxwell's story is so much cooler. So he finds Hitler's dog breeder. And this guy is like on the edge of destitution. Obviously the war was not good for Hitler's dog guy. And he has one breeding male left, right? This like one German. And his hope is that like I can rebuild my business with this male, right?
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It is one of his worst things.
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Now I'm pissed off. Yeah, of course not. Ja, genau.
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Yeah, I also didn't really call her dad being so cool up until age 23, because he's really knocking it out of the park up until age 23. Great first act. Oh my god. Yeah, it's like one of those movies that really falls apart in the second half. Like, ah, you could have used more editing.
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No, no, no, no, yeah, it is like, and again, he did lie about a lot of it. Unnötig. Ja, also, das ist, das ist, das ist, wo wir sind. Du weißt, das ist, das ist dieses Mannes Leben. Danke, dass du sitzen und lernen hast. Unglaublich. Er ist, er ist, was ein Bastard. Ich bin jetzt hinter ihm. Ja, ja, wir sind jetzt hinter ihm. Na, hast du noch Pluggables zu pluggen?
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Wir haben dich hier lange genug gehalten.
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Awesome. Well, awesome. Check out that. Check out Dropout. And, you know, if you're going to machine gun the SS, don't go on to destroy scientific publishing and then hundreds of millions of dollars in pension funds. That's my advice to our listeners.
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It is, I don't want to ever give it to Rupert, but there's some of the great hater moments are just Rupert being like, who are you talking about? All right. Well, that's the episode, everybody. Good night and good luck. Thank you so much for having me. This is awesome. Thank you, Adam. Really appreciate you. Can't wait to get these episodes out. Und wir sind fertig.
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You know, and maybe get my feet back on.
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Yeah, horrible for guys who sell German Shepherds.
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Yeah, fucking Eisenhower kept awake at night. We never thought of the dog breeders. So Maxwell, his biographers always say that he buys the dog off this guy. And reading between the lines, I don't think he gave the breeder a choice. Right. I think he was like, I'm a British officer. I have a weapon. I'm taking the dog.
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And I believe this because within days of him taking this guy's last dog, Hitler's dog breeder commits suicide. And the story is so bizarre. Maxwell sagt seinen Freunden, seinen Soldaten, das und er sagt, haha, ist das nicht lustig? Und sie sind überrascht. That he kind of killed Hitler's dog breeder?
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The morality of this is, I don't know.
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Right, you gotta kill Hitler's dog breeder? He's got four arms and like a Cerberus, yeah? You need the minigun for that level. So is it Hitler's dog? Is that what you're saying? No, no, no. This would, but I think it was like the sire of Hitler's dog, maybe, or at least related to the sire of Hitler's dog.
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Yeah, yeah. It's so funny that he's like, this is a bragging point for him that I destroyed this man and his colleagues are like, that's kind of fucked up.
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Es gibt keine von diesen, wirklich, von einem Tierarzt.
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Du weißt, was ich meine? Also ja, er konnte Hitler nicht töten, aber er hat den Mann bekommen, der Hitler's Hund gemacht hat, glaube ich. Wildlife. And he owned the dog. What did he do with the dog? By all accounts, he cared about, he liked the dog. Obviously not the dog's fault.
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Yeah, yeah. Ja. Und wegen einiger anderen Dinge, die er macht, weil er immer ein bisschen involviert ist in diesem Weltraum der Spionage, wird das mythologisiert. Aber was wir bemerken können, ist wirklich cool, dass er einen sowjetischen Colonel befreit, weil er Russisch wirklich gut spricht. Und du musst dir vorstellen, dass sie sehr trank sind.
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Er überzeugt den sowjetischen Colonel, Georgi Zukovs Büro zu brechen, damit sie seine Bücher fotografieren können. So much vodka has to have been part of this story to get this Colonel to be like, yeah, fuck Zhukov! Insane. Ja, es ist verrückt.
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Er trägt auch klandestinische Beobachtungen seiner alten Heimat, Tschechoslowakei, wo er bemerkt wird, dass die tschechische Außenverwaltung wie ein heißer Clark Gable aussieht. Er wird auch von vielen, die ihn kennen, als ein bisschen ein Dick beschrieben. Ein Artikel in The Guardian beschreibt ihn damals als tall, brach und nicht ganz zufrieden mit seinem bereits bemerkenswerten Erfolg.
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Eine Freundin erinnerte ihn damals, dass er seinen größten Wunsch, Millionär zu sein, So, you know, what else is there after killing every Nazi? Literally getting down to the fact that you're down to Hitler's dog breeder, so you got no more Nazis to kill.
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Take a break, go to the sea. Aber die Ambition, Mann. Ja, diese Ambition ist, und vielleicht, er hätte es nie erwähnt, vielleicht ist es so, dass er, je nachdem, was er erlebt hat, er muss nur weiter gehen, richtig? Du kannst nicht einfach sitzen mit dem, was dir passiert ist und was du gemacht hast. Und das ist sicherlich das, was man von dem, wo sein Leben nachgeht, ausinterpretieren muss.
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So he talks a lot at the time about how he's going to become a millionaire. And he talks about specifically, I'm going to find a great unexploited resource and find a way to put myself in the middle of the distribution chain, right?
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So again, he has this kind of eye for business and he doesn't know what, he doesn't want to do anything in particular other than find the next great resource and make himself key to it, right? He's probably thinking this way because both oil and uranium have gotten way more valuable very recently as a result of some things.
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But the resource that Maxwell is going to lasso and use to make his fortune is more dangerous and more valuable than either of those. Raw knowledge. So, Science is a Discipline. Given how crucial it is to World War II, by the time that war starts, like the concept of science as like a professional field that like people go into is still pretty new.
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And in fact, even in like 45, 46, some of the senior scientific minds in the world had grown up and started their careers at a time when science was something gentlemen hobbyists did. Right? It wasn't like the product of a national educational and industrial apparatus. Right?
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So what happens is that he wheels together this baffling coalition of like student Red Guards and some like loyal like rebel workers factions along with a bunch of like the remaining party bureaucracy and the military. which is a coalition comprised of everyone on every side of the Cultural Revolution, right?
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Like, normally the Cultural Revolution is broken down into very roughly there are rebel factions and there are, like, government factions, right? And he's pulled together a coalition of a bunch of elements of both of them with the explicit thing of we are going to end the revolution.
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And in the short run, what this does is it leads to the back half of the Cultural Revolution that people don't talk about very much, which is... Instead of, like, everyone dying because there are rebels running around, everyone's dying because the state is killing everyone to, like, bring everyone back under control.
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And that's what, like, most of the people who die in the Cultural Revolution are killed putting the whole thing down. If you want to try to understand, like, what Peronism is, right? It's this ideology of bringing together all of the different sort of disparate political factions in a moment, right?
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You're bringing together everyone from, like, the fascists on the right to, like, the socialists on the left. And you're bringing them into the banner of this one guy. And the reason Mao is able to do this is because... Like, he's Mao, right?
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Every single, like, faction on every side of the Cultural Revolution, whatever they're trying to do is justifying it in the name of, like, oh, this is what Mao wants. This is what Peron is doing, right? He's drawing together the entire political spectrum in a way that he can sort of stabilize power, take it away from, like, the junta, and forge this permanent political coalition.
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And this results in, like, the sort of total dominance that this ideology has over Argentinian politics means that, like, basically every election in Argentina... until, like, Malai takes power, is an election between the left and the right Peronists. And, okay, okay, I am so sorry. This, finally, is the end of my attempt to explain Peronism, and we're gonna go to ads.
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When we come back, I'm gonna, uh, actually do this interview that I've been promising. I am so sorry.
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This sort of brings us to like how he kind of takes power and how, you know, there's an economic crisis. There's like all this inflation. And so he comes in on, like, I don't know, we were talking about this beforehand, and we want to talk to you about this.
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Like, there's all these really weird parallels between this and the American election, where it's like, except the inflation in Argentina is, like, real.
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Yeah, yeah. Hold on. Let me check the current inflation rate. Yeah, I think, I mean, it's like several hundred percent right now. I think it's like 300-something percent, which is actually, Malay's entire thing was that he was going to stop inflation. It's actually, it's way worse under him than it was under the previous, like, Peronist administration.
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Oh, there's one last thing I forgot to mention, which is like, you know, why, if you're on the left, would you take this deal? And this also ties into, like, how this politics, how his politics took over the state, which is that, like, you know, there were people in Argentina, like, under these Peronist governments, got things that are, like, unimaginable here, right?
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There's one that's important to me, and obviously you're still living under capitalism, a lot of it still sucks, but one of the things that people won under these governments was this mandate that 1% of all government employees had to be trans, which is unimaginable here. Even at the height of trans acceptance or whatever, that's
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There's what like that's that's not that's not a thing that's even like no one even like thinks to ask about that. And like, yeah, like, I don't know. Like, yeah, like I might sell my soul to Juan Peron if it meant that like none of my trans friends ever had to sleep in an alley again.
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Like I, you know, but the wheels fall off of this and they put the self-described anarcho-capitalist in power, which is this is great. And oh, God. Okay, this finally gets us to the fun part of this. I said at the top of this episode that, like, he did a meme coin, right? Can you explain what that is? Because... Oh, God.
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I mean, I think this is interesting thing here, too, where it's like our government is just like a fucking meme coin now. Like the thing that is in control of the American state is Doge, the Department of Government Efficiency, which is just the Dogecoin meme.
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Yeah. And like, and that's this interesting thing about it, which is like, okay, this is just a pump and dump scheme. Yes. Like it's just securities fraud. Like I, we have an entire economy based on security. Everyone doing securities fraud and everyone knows that securities fraud.
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Yeah, I remember you talked about this on Jamie's show, about, like, how just deeply nihilistic it all is.
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And I think, you know, I mean, it's not even... It used to be you had to do metaphors to draw a direct line between this sort of, like, the nihilism of this shit and, like, the nihilism of putting, like, Malai or, like, putting Trump and Elon, like, in office. But now it's just... I mean, they just do the meme coin, right? Like, there's no...
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Yeah. You know, and that is also like what Malai has been doing to everyone in Argentina, right? Like his thing that came in is he, I mean, one of the things I remember from like the very first days he was in office is he was talking about all this stuff about how they were going to take away welfare benefits from anyone who was arrested at a protest.
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And, like, that didn't stop. There's been massive protests, like, basically, since the moment he took power. But...
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you know like it's just this really deeply cynical very explicit thing of like pitting like everyone in society against each other like you know like making this argument to there's like a crime thick article about this where it's like they you know like he's very explicitly making this argument to like well okay if you're if you're like a private sector worker and you're making no money the reason you're making no money is because wages are too high in the public sector it's because taxes are too high and if taxes and corporations were lower they would pay you more it's like
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No, but it fits into this sort of like pure nihilism of like, yeah, everyone trying to grift each other.
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The problem that we have is, like, I think people do broadly recognize that, like, everyone who is rich got rich by fucking robbing people. But instead of trying to do anything about that, the solution that's being posited by these people is, like, well, instead of you just being scammed all the time, like, you could be the scam artist.
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Yeah, like, that's, like, the new scam. Instead of, like, you know, because, like, organizing is fucking hard, right? And, like, attempting to fight these people is really hard. They have all the money. They have all the power. They have the police. They have the military. Yeah. And so you get like this shit.
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On the other hand, sometimes it backfires because these people like are like all in enough on on this fucking meme coin shit to like run it. So, yeah, let's let's let's talk about this specific meme coin Libra.
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It almost feels like an older kind of scam. It reminds me of an NFT scam where they'll be like, ah, somewhere in the future we're going to make a game and you're all going to vote. It's like that thing, but they brought it back for one last ride.
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But I actually I actually can't believe I'm blanking on his name. The guy in El Salvador hadn't pulled one yet. Oh, yeah. But Kelly, I'm like stunned. He hadn't done it yet.
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Oh, also, okay, there's another unhinged angle here, which I want to briefly mention because it's extremely funny. One of my good friends, Julie, pointed me to, which is part of the thing that originally made me want to do this, is that one of the people who was involved in this hookup process with the crypto people...
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was this guy named Augustine Lahaye, who's, like, this very, very famous conservative writer. And he's the guy who, like, introduced the concept of gender ideology to Argentina. So he's, you know, like, one of Malay's, like, big things is, like, being a TERF all the time, right?
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And the guy who, like, got all of these people into TERF shit is, like, the guy who introduced him to this fucking crypto scam. And he might have to sell him out in order to get out of the crypto scam bullshit.
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Trans people getting our revenge. You love to see it. Speaking of crypto scams, we should take one more ad break before we get into all of the rest of this bullshit. We are back to the main story of the really unprecedented access this administration has given the crypto people. Can you talk a bit about who the people involved in this are?
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Because it's a lot of very, very large players in this world.
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Jesus Christ. Like, oh no, they're making these guys in a lab.
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Can you explain like what a liquidity platform is for listeners?
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Yeah, so there have to be actual tokens that you can sell to people.
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Welcome to It Could Happen Here, a podcast that has been really, really fucking bleak basically since Trump took office. So instead of doing another episode about how doomed the US is, we are taking a, I don't know, a field trip to Argentina to talk about something extremely funny.
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But it's also so funny that like the terms that have taken hold for these things like are financial terms. And it's like, yeah, it's like like This is not liquidity in the sense of like, does the U.S. government have cash on hand to pay something? This is like, are there these like stupid little weird program things to like move other programs around?
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And that extremely funny thing is the Argentinian president, Javier Malay, promoting a meme coin and maybe going down for it. And with me to talk about this is really the only person I could have on to talk about a crypto thing, who is Molly White. And I'm trying to explain who Molly White is, but my explanation of this is, in the same way that the great 20th century Marxist theorist C.L.R.
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Yeah, so let's get into Millay's involvement in this. Can you lay out the timeline of this? Because it's so funny.
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Those are all, by the way, a bunch of very, very, like Binance and Coinbase are the biggest players in the regular crypto market.
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Yeah. Well, and also the actual guy running the government right now is Elon Musk, who is, you know, like... One of their fucking boys.
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James' book Beyond a Boundary is both universally considered to be the best book ever written about cricket... And also literally calling it the thing that it is, the best book ever written about cricket, is like a damning insult to how good the actual book is.
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Yeah, it's the thing that like fucking ticket scalpers do or like the reason why you can't buy a PS5 is that all these trading bots get in like immediately.
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It's pump and dump. It's literally just a pump and dump. It's just fraud. Right. I don't know. This is my old 2010 sense of ethics emerging here, which apparently doesn't exist in this sort of bold new world of nihilism. But like, This is just fraud.
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This entire thing when everyone was doing this on Wall Street, it like crashed the economy a bunch of times. We were like, holy shit, maybe you shouldn't be allowed to do this. But I don't know. Capitalism is such that you could just buy the government and now all your fraud schemes are legal.
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Molly is like probably the world's best crypto journalist and writes the newsletter Citation Needed, also does Web3 is Going Great, which is amazing. Everyone should go listen to it. Molly, welcome to the show.
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Well, it also like these are professional liars, like their job is to lie to people for a living.
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Like, we did it. No, no, you don't understand. We had to do the scam to save you from the other people who were trying to do the same scam.
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I've been waiting for an opportunity to use that one for such a long time. Great book, by the way, which everyone should both go subscribe to Citation Needed and also go read Beyond the Boundary because it's great. So we were talking about this before the show. I had planned this episode out before Elon Musk showed up at CPAC with Javier Millay, like with Millay's signature chainsaw doing it.
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Oh, my God. Yeah. By the way, use the N-word, by the way, in these two. Like, who these people are? Like, this is a white guy using the N-word.
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God, it really would be so incredibly funny if this is the thing that brings him down. I don't know if it will, but also, like, I don't know. This is one of these, like, in an even bigger way than, like, the Trump plane crashes or, like, a political fucking godsend, like, handed down to the opposition. And the Democrats just aren't—don't use it, right?
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Because, you know, they're the Democrats, right? Instead of just, like— Instead of doing a thing I would do, which is starting literally every speech with fucking no cops, no kings, no crashes, they're like, no, we're not doing anything.
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But this is like, if you were a Catholic opponent of this administration, this is like fucking God reaching a giant hand down and going, hey, have this stick to beat him over the head with.
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Doing an even weirder version of the latest thing about cutting regulation with a chainsaw. But Jesus Christ. Yeah, what a spectacle that was. Oh, my God. Like, Steve Bannon doing the Nazi salute wasn't even the weirdest thing that happened there. That was only, like, day one.
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And, you know, I'll say this about Peronism, right? Like, the thing about Peronism is that it's, like, the engine that devours social movements, right? Like, anytime a social movement comes in, the Peronists sort of, like, consume it from the inside.
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But the thing about the way that, like, Peronism functions is, like, okay, so they've eaten all these social movements, but it's not quite like the U.S., where you can just, like, disband it and make it go away. Like, you actually have to still have the thing the social movement does. And that means that these motherfuckers can throw a protest.
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Like whatever else you say about the Perotas, they aren't capable of putting an unbelievable number of people into the streets. And I'm really interested to see what's going to happen like this weekend and over the coming weeks to see if we see another 17th giant round of protests like also specifically about this.
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I think part of the reason this is, like, a real issue for him is that, like, he really, truly, you know, and this is something that, like, Trump is also doing this. But he, like, really, truly went out to, like, his main base of supporters. Yeah. And was like, I was going to take you up behind a wood set and shoot you and, like, take the money out of your pocket.
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And, like, the way he's, like, systematically fucking all of the people who are supposed to be his political base. And, like, Trump was also doing this, but, like, people sort of, like, haven't set in that this is what's happening. Whereas, like, this rug pull thing, it's, like, this is, like, the only thing that the fucking unhinged right-wing crypto bro people care about.
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Like, this is, like, the one thing you could possibly do. to like, it's the wall.
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Yeah, you have to wander around the stage with a chainsaw. Like, he didn't even do the Malay thing, which is you have, like, a book of regulations or whatever, and you cut it with a chainsaw.
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Yeah, I wonder, I don't know, I'm interested in your take on this. How much of that is people who are in less meme coin-y things who are worried about their assets because they at some point have to be able to cash out?
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Oh, God. Yeah. So I am very excited to talk about the crypto scandal that might finally bring this administration down. However, and I am deeply sorry. I already I apologize before this recording started. I am deeply sorry. In order to explain who Javier Millay is, I have to do... The single most difficult thing I've ever attempted in my... Like, not just in my history as a podcaster.
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Yeah, and this gets me to, I think, the thing I want to close on, which is You know, like we actually did successfully as a society kill the NFT.
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Like we took that motherfucker out back and stabbed it to death. And I'm wondering whether you think that like this is this is a moment where we can like use this as a wedge thing to try to like fucking kill this entire industry and how vulnerable they are to like the negative PR rattlings from all of this.
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Like, that's obviously trivially true. But, like, my entire history doing theoretical work in general. Which is, I'm about to attempt to explain Peronism in under 10 minutes on 4 hours of sleep. Let's see it. So... Here we fucking go. Because, to take a sense of why we have to do this, right? Like, Malay is able to take power...
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Yeah, and I think it's this interesting thing of, like... Sorry, I know I said we were going to close out, but, like, no, this is fun. There's this interesting way in which, like, this seems like the endgame for the entire, like, tech bubble economy is, like, you know, like, none of these fucking companies have ever been able to make money, right? None of these fucking companies.
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Like, they all... Like, fucking, like, everything from, like, fucking Uber to, like...
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fucking like google and amazon like hemorrhaged money uber will hemorrhage money until it eventually the bubble pops and it dies right but like amazon only really started making money you know google was kind of making money but like amazon only started making money when they started getting government contracts for like their cloud computing shit yeah and like that like looks like the end game like you know this is this is the thing with like elon's like fucking electric armored vehicle contract is like the only thing that can keep the bubble going is just pure state intervention
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But that also gives me a little bit of hope because I think the thing that's kept this giant bubble economy going for like over like a decade and a half now has been really, really, even under the original Trump administration. I mean, the original Trump administration kind of got bailed out by COVID to some extent.
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Like, you know, I mean, like the original Argentinian economic crisis was there was this huge wave of currency collapses in 2018 where it was sort of contained. Like the IMF did a bailout in, well, it was trying to do a bailout in Argentina and it like it kind of got contained, but it set off a black wave of uprisings. But like,
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There's been this like really it's taken this really careful financial management and like all of these like like a trillion dollars of like overnight repo purchases like every day from the treasury to like make sure there's enough liquidity in the banking industry to prevent like the kind of like 2008 style collapses. And I think it's taken a really delicate hand.
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And, you know, like, I don't think it's a good thing. But on the other hand, like these guys just fire the nuke police like while they were moving a nuke. And I wonder if they can actually keep the dance going or if they're just going to or if they're going to fuck up their bubble economy, just blow it all up, which might maybe nuke all of these people in the process.
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like, basically because he's, like, one of the first candidates in a long time to, in Argentina, to run as an anti-peronist. And that may seem weird because, hold on, wait, shouldn't there always be, like, okay, if you have an ideology, shouldn't the person from, like, either the left or right side of the political spectrum, you know, be running against an ideology?
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well my line on this is that like accelerationism as an ideology doesn't exist anymore because there's not there's nothing you can do to do the acceleration yeah right like or something like left accelerationism like trump and elon musk like just have their fucking foot hammering the pedal all the way down we are accelerating as fast as we could possibly go and all we have left is to like make sure that the fucking acceleration goes our way and not theirs yeah yeah
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Yeah. Well, look, they might bring down the first anarcho-capitalist president. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I don't know. Today, Argentina, tomorrow, the world.
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Yeah. And I think this is interesting kind of like bounce back thing, too, because he's like, you know, he's somebody that he's modeling himself on Trump one, like the first Trump administration. But he got even weirder with it than like Trump one did. And now Trump two is like modeling itself back. Yeah. They're like slingshotting.
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Yeah. And I don't know. Hopefully the fucking rebound hits them, too. And they also get the backlash to it. And we. Yeah. I don't know. We don't all die when they actually set a nuke off because we've driven them out of power already.
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Yeah. Well, Molly, thank you so much for coming on the show and for talking with us about this unhinged bullshit. And also just genuinely thank you. Thank you for reporting on all of this shit because, oh my God, it is not easy. I don't know how you stay sane.
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And no, no, up until basically now, both the left and the right in Argentina were both peronists. So to get an understanding of what Peronism is, we need to go back not just to who Juan Peron is. And we'll we'll get to who Juan Peron, who's like the guy this ideology is named after. And, you know, the ideology is based on like this guy returning from exile from the military coups.
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But we have to go back to one of the sort of foundational parts of the modern Argentinian state. And that element is the fact that Argentina has one of those militant workers movements in the entire world and has had it for about a century. I was on Margaret's show, It Could Happen Here. Jesus Christ, not It Could Happen Here. Good Lord. You tell them I'm four hours asleep. You're doing great.
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Thank you. Thank you. I haven't even gotten... We have not gotten to my final analysis of Peronism where the closest thing I can compare it to is post-short cultural revolution 1970s era China. So this is about to get so much more unhitched.
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But a while back, I was on Margaret's show, Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff, to talk about the second Argentinian giant anarcho-syndicalist uprising in about a span of four years, which was the giant anarchist rebellion in Patagonia in 1921, 1922.
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This is the second one because the first one was the 1919 general strike, which ends in an event called the Tragic Week, where everyone sort of gets killed by the military and
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But, you know, the fact that there's two in different parts of the country, enormous anarcho-syndicalist uprisings in a span of about four years, is a demonstration of the fact that this is one of the most militant working classes in the world.
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And any political movement that is trying to hold power in this country is going to have to deal with the fact that the Argentinian working class at any moment can, you know, if you're a factory owner, you can wake up one day and there's a black flag flying over your factories because your workers have seized it.
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And the sort of culmination of this and the reason this is even still relevant today is that like the last of what you would I guess you could call like the classical 20th century revolution. So a line of uprising started with like the original formation of the workers councils in Russia in 1905. Yeah.
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you know, and that continues to like the occupation of the factories in Italy through the two red years, like 1918, 1919, like the anarchist parts of the Spanish revolution, like the revolutions in Hungary and Algeria, like, you know, all like through 68, like the factory occupations in France and Italy and like all this whole, this whole lineage of like the thing that happens when you do a revolution is workers occupy the factories and try to seize control of the country.
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The last one of those ever was in Argentina in 2001. Like, everywhere else in the world, this shit was gone. And then randomly in Argentina in 2001, like, there's a giant one of these uprisings that is, you know, only really put down by a sort of left Peronist government agreeing to, like, tell the IMF to fuck off. which was like, you know, a sort of seismic change in the political landscape.
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But all of this is to say that, okay, if you were a capitalist in Argentina and you have to deal with this, like, what do you do?
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And the answer is to create the most unhinged ideology the world has ever seen by uniting socialism and fascism under the single banner of Argentinian nationalist class collaboration, which is the thing that makes no sense, but you have to understand, like, Peronism is... Oh, God. Protism is simply the weirdest ideology ever.
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I promise we're going to get to the fun crypto stuff, but we have to unfortunately do this. We have to do our homework first. And part of this is so Juan Peron, the actual guy who his ideology is based off of, is an enormously popular president in like the late 40s and 50s until he gets overthrown by a military coup.
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And to get a sense of, again, like how weird this guy is, like this is a guy who when he comes into power, a bunch of the most famous Nazi war criminals and like not just, you know, obviously like like the famous Nazis fleet Argentina. There's a whole meme about that. Right. But I mean, we're talking like guys from the Ustazi, like guys, guys who literally did the Holocaust by hand.
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Like, flee to Argentina during his administration. And when a military coup overthrows him, they flee the country. So, again, like, the U.S.-backed military junta is less pro-Nazi than this guy is. He is also personal friends with Che Guevara and considers, like, the Cuban Revolution to be, like, part of his, like, revolutionary project. So a deeply, deeply weird, deeply weird guy.
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And the result of this is that, okay, so you have a military dictatorship through like the 50s and the 60s, right? And like the entire time this dictatorship, not the entire time, but most of the time this dictatorship is happening, right? The entire political spectrum sort of projects all of their...
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political energy onto, we want Peron back because Peron is remembered as like the guy who like brought workers rights to the country and also like gave women the right to vote. And also as you remember, it is like a stable nationalist right-wing government by the right.
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So like everyone on like both sides of the political spectrum project all of their political aspirations into the single figure of Peron, which works because he's not in the country. He's not, not there. So, you know, and because he's gone, you can project anything you want onto him. Yeah. And this is, to a large extent, the origin of modern populism, right?
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Like, you know, modern populism is the projection of all grievances onto one guy, and then having that guy come in, take power, do constant sort of semi-political mobilization to, like, fix your issues.
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And one of the interesting threads here is that, like, the theoretical origin of left populism is very specifically Peronism because one of the theoreticians of, like, modern left populism, one of the most famous ones, is my old nemesis, the Argentinian political philosopher Ernesto Laclau.
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And his wife, Chantal Mouffe, who were like, you know, these people were like the theoretical forces behind a bunch of like the European left in this sort of Euro-communism era. And even up until like Podemos in Spain, 2011, like these are the people who are the theoretical force behind so much like left electoral stuff in the last like 50 years. And it's all from LeClau, who was a left Peronist.
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So all of all the dots are going on the pinboard. And while he's gone, he's this guy that like, from an American perspective, it's like, imagine that like Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump from 2016 were both the same guy. And both sides were just trying to get this one guy to come back to Argentina and like fix everything. So, this creates, like, the left and right Peronists.
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And when Peron comes back in the 70s and, like, immediately gets elected president again, the right Peronists just, I mean, just literally starts slaughtering the left Peronists in the streets. And Peron, like, backs the right Peronists against the left. And you would think this would destroy left Peronism.
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But no, no, left Peronism was in power in Argentina until, like, Malay's election, like, a few years ago. It's... Ugh. So, okay, so, like, why would you still be a left Peronist after Peron, like, had all your boys' machine guns in the 70s? Part of the reason this works also is that he dies and his wife takes power and there's, like, another military coup.
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So, you know, he's not, like, in power long enough, kind of, for, like, the disenchantment to really set in. He's in power just long enough for people to remember it as, like, the break between the dictatorships. And at this point, I can finally attempt to go, what is Peronism? After, like, how many minutes of, like... Oh, God, I think I've gone over my 10-minute limit of what is Peronism.
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But, okay, Peron's deal is this, right? Like, so, okay, like, if you're a Peronist, right, in a Peronist state, everyone is supposed to be equal before the power of the Argentinian state. And so if you're a leftist, you focus on the everyone is going to be equal part. And this means, on the one hand, you know, there are real substantive gains for...
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the Argentinian working class that they didn't get under the, you know, the sort of previous administrations and under the Junta, right? You know, you have like massive expansions of workers' rights, like nationalizations of a bunch of sectors of the economy. You have this like strategy of national development through like import substitution.
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There's like a long strain of like feminist Peronism from, you know, his like, like him being the administration where women got the right to vote, right? On the other hand, if you're a fascist, you focus on the like before the power of the Argentinian state part, which means like permanent class collaboration.
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And this is the part of the deal that brings the right in is like the deal is that, OK, so you give the workers all of this stuff and you set up these really complicated patronage networks. And, you know, people have jobs and like they have a social safety net, at least in theory.
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And the tradeoff is you will never, ever again attempt to like occupy a factory or like drive these parasites who run your entire life out of power. And the second part of that is just like this hard line, unhinged right wing, like Argentinian nationalism, which is wielded against, for example, like Argentinian indigenous groups. And so I promised a comparison to the 70s long cultural revolution.
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We've reached that point of it. So to understand really what this is, it's an active counterinsurgency that is waged by the state and waged by a bunch of parts of the social sector to enfold this really dynamic and militant workers movement into the state in such a way that there can still be politics, kind of, but it won't actually be a threat to the ruling class.
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And my sort of like closest thing to this is this very, very weird period in Chinese history between like the end of the short culture revolution in like 1969 and the death of Mao in 76. where the most unhinged parts of the Cultural Revolution are sort of over because Mao has set off... So 1967, Mao sets off this uprising in Shanghai.
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He does this deliberately as part of his strategy to gain power of the party. The problem is that control of Shanghai is no longer in the hands of the Chinese Communist Party. The workers take the city. And this is a disaster because they've all been reading about the Paris Commie. I think of the Paris Commie is that they had like direct elections of people.
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And there's a moment I actually like I found this this moment of this transcript where Mao was talking to Zhou Enlai. And Zhou Enlai is like, if we let these people do direct elections, like it's going to lead to anarchism. And Mao is like, oh, shit, we have to stop this.
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Let's get to the second day on your note card so we can get to some of that other stuff because we'd like to pay for that.
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What do you say, Jack? Give it another shot.
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You barely cried once during this entire call. That must mean it was a positive experience.
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You know, we've talked about people getting back into the dating game after being out of it for a while. But we don't normally speak to people on this segment who are using dating apps for the very first time.
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It's like a time warp. If you haven't dated since 2010 and you met somebody at a grocery store. Nowadays, you're getting an eggplant. All right. But it's a digital one. And I don't know if you even wanted it in the first place. But that's what happened with Rachel recently. She emailed us saying this is her very first time being on a dating app.
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And she actually met a great guy who's somehow not calling her back. So, Rachel, welcome.
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I think single people think anytime is a good time. Marry people like my weekend is my only time. So what did you guys end up doing, Rachel?
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An Uber ride? You've never been in an Uber before? It's done nothing. Technology is amazing. They can deliver food now?
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Oh, this is like immediately after the handshake. When is this?
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Brooke's only saying that because she never would have said that to a guy.
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What was his reaction? Were you able to gauge it?
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I hear Rachel crying right now, even just mentioning him.
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Yeah. We're used to side tongue on this, so we're just... We've heard a lot of dating stories, but yours sounds very nice, especially for your first time back into the dating pool, first time on a dating app. So let's play a song. We'll give, not Dylan. Jack. Jack.
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Excuse me. I am so sorry. I promise you, Rachel, I will not call him Dylan.
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In fact, this is going to be the last time I ever say Dylan on this show.
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We'll play a song, we'll come back, and we'll call Jack for you, not Dylan. Right after this.
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If you're just joining us for the second date, we're talking to Rachel, who went on her first first date in a very long time.
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She said it's been more than a decade since she's gone on one, and she's never been on a dating app before. This was her first time on a dating app, and that was a little bit overwhelming, which is understandable. Totally. In fact, I'm going to do an impression right now of a guy seeing fresh meat on a dating app. Let's take the music down. Oh, no.
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oh yeah oh a newbie we're gonna stay at applebee's for 20 minutes and then go back to my mom's house and she's gonna watch me play mario kart oh man so it's like she was dating in college all over again jack who she met wasn't like that he was different he was a gentleman and how do i know that they were a good match because rachel said she didn't cry once during their entire
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Well, cry in general.
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No tears, that's love. So, Rachel, we're about to give Jack a call. How are you feeling?
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Here's Brooke's pep talk to go out on the town and sleep around.
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You know what? We're just going to stop projecting our feelings and our failed relationships onto you. We're just going to dial Jack and see what he has to say, OK?
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Yeah, no, I'm sure you're very confused. This lady is talking at you and kind of hitting on you at the same time. No, we're a morning radio show, and we're doing a segment called The Second Date Update where we're trying to help one of our listeners get in touch with you after you went out.
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Sounds like fun, right?
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And we heard them from one of our listeners named Rachel. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. So tell us what you thought about Rachel.
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She said a lot of really nice things about you, about how you're a great guy.
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From what we heard, it sounded like you did that side hug on the first date.
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Oh, yeah, yeah. We definitely, we did. Actually, we did do the side hug.
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Like what's more organic than having her be on the radio with you and tell her her boundaries right now because she's been on the other line listening, Jack, and she wants to talk to you.
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Jack, feel free to respond.
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note card thing was was brought up it just kind of killed the vibe and i know maybe dude do you know how many times a note card would have saved me on one of my craigslist meetups whether or not like you think it's if it's going too far or it's like taking the spontaneity out of it she's just trying to show you what she's comfortable with doing before things get awkward it's her first day in a really really long time so she's just trying to get her feet back under her
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Maybe we'll see you two on small claims court on Judge Judy, all right? Good luck. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.
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You know, in all the years that we've done this segment, we've had a few listeners call up saying, I know that we only hung out once, but I'm pretty sure they're the one.
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We've had other people say, I am ready to marry this person right now.
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On the phone.
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But rarely do we have people email and tell us, I want a date, even though I'm not 100% sure I really want to go out with them again.
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You know? Sure, but it's a little bit confusing to me. So we're just going to get the listener on the phone who said that to us today. Her name is Ari. Welcome to the show. You do realize this is second date update, not second date maybe. I don't know. We'll see how I feel by the end of the call, right?
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Okay. Well, tell us a little bit about him. What's his name? How'd you meet?
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I know. Of course she brought it up because I'm in here.
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That's when I met Jeff.
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I know the winks were a little bit aggressive, but that's okay.
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Clearly, you're not alone, Ari. So, good beard stuck out to you.
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Okay, so you basically went on the same date twice.
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Unless you guys decided to wear the exact same one for date number two again, because the first one went so well.
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Okay, so how did date three go once you got to this nice restaurant?
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Uh-oh. That's nice. Well, that's not nice that he's late. That's a bad move.
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Four hours later when he finally showed up, how did it go?
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He does know. He's defaulting to you, I guess, to be like, it's your card. You get to make the decision.
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So what happened?
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Yeah. So going back to the beginning of this call, is that why you were saying because of the whole bill situation, maybe you're not 100% sure you really want to see him again for another date?
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She just doesn't have it in her. But if he says yes, then you don't care about the bill situation.
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All right. Well, we're going to see how this goes when we call Victor to get you your second date update and maybe half of your money back.
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We're in the middle of a second date update, and if this doesn't go well with Victor, we may need to go full Godfather on him.
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We can't really threaten Ari's date here. But if he says he does not want to see her again, Ari wants to ask him to pay her back for half of the bill from their final date. Because it was at this nice upscale restaurant. He kind of stuck her with it.
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We're going to call Victor here. Hopefully, we can avoid all of that, and he just says, yes, he would love to see you again. It's all a big misunderstanding, but I'm going to dial his number right now. Here we go. Hello? Hey, is this Victor? This is Victor. How you doing? Oh, you're so polite.
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Sorry to confuse you, but you're on a radio show right now. Okay. About what?
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It's about comedy and fun. Good question. How do you feel about us setting you up on a hot date with a sexy woman that you've already been out with multiple times?
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Because I wanted it to sound enticing.
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Because there is a woman who has gone through us to reach you, and her name is Ari. Oh, yeah, I remember her, yeah.
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We're trying to help Ari feel this out and get a vibe of where your relationship with her is at. Not that it's a relationship, but just she wants to see more of you, and it hasn't happened, and she's not sure why.
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And of course you're not going to tell her that, like, hey, sorry I'm not hitting you up, I'm going on a lot of dates. Yeah. Yeah, of course not. I mean, you're allowed to do, how many women are in your fold? Um, I've been on maybe two other dates, probably.
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So you're not completely cutting her out. It's just you're also opening yourself up to other possibilities.
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Got it. Maybe it gives a little bit of clarity.
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Yeah, because we do have to deliver it.
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Yeah, Victor, the part that you might not know about this is that Ari is actually already on this phone call listening, waiting to talk to you.
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That's what I meant when I said this call. Okay. So, yeah.
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I think you're okay. Let's ask Ari. Are you there? Yeah, I'm here.
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I mean, how many dates does it take for you, Victor, to decide whether or not it's the real deal with somebody?
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I mean, the amount of time it takes me to fill a person out, so I don't have to answer that. I'm trying to help Ari. She just feels like she's waiting forever.
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Maybe just addresses or something.
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We're really nice here, I promise.
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And that's a classy drink, too.
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You probably have the sugar on the rim, too.
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It's okay if you're asking, but not okay if he's asking.
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A kiss is a thank you, isn't it? No.
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She's pretty strict. She wants the money back. So do you want to give your Venmo out right now? No. No, I'm not giving my Venmo. Oh, you sure? Okay. Well, I guess you do.
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One other time. So the last time it worked to get a long-term relationship is what you're saying. Actually, she was trying to break up with me last time, so it was sort of a different situation. Okay. You only pull this move out when you're really, really desperate.
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Tracy, you've heard his explanation, which was he felt like it was the best date of his life and he just didn't want it to end. Is there any part of you that feels compassion for him? No. Clearly, they need to mark the area better that says this area is under surveillance.
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That'd be a nice warning.
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Well, that's fair. Let's give him credit for not murdering on the first date, okay? He deserves credit for that.
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Tracy, he's not a murderer. So maybe that's enough to give him another chance.
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I'm sure it's in his car.
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You could build your IKEA furniture for you. Come on now.
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Justin, man, look, I'm sorry.
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Well, Tracy doesn't want to go out with you. Clearly, this isn't going to work.
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And if you aren't happy with our services to you today, just remember, Brooke's car is the EV Subaru that's parked underneath our building. Okay, so go to that one. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Man, we got to write a book on unique ways to woo a woman.
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Chapter 5, gaining sympathy by slashing your own car tires and blaming her crappy neighborhood for it.
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We'll do the sequel. That's the sequel to this one.
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We're going to have so many bestsellers when we're done writing all this stuff up. But, yeah, it didn't work out today. The good news is we do have hundreds of successful phone calls that we have done for other couples.
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Absolutely. And you can find all of our second date updates wherever you get your podcasts on Spotify, Apple, wherever. Type in Brooke and Jeffrey's second date update.
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You guys know the term double date, where you go out on a date along with maybe a friend of yours who also has a date with them.
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So explanatory. I'm glad that everybody's on the same page because one of our listeners, Justin, went on a different kind of double date where he saw the same girl twice in one night.
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Yeah, a double date. Exactly.
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Yeah, it's a different twist on the term. And I'm just curious.
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There you go. Justin, what did she say when you snuck up behind her as she was trying to get into her car?
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Okay, you double date differently than I do, so I guess start from the beginning of your first part of the date. What's this girl's name?
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I apologize for my female host. She's not really a fan of fun.
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Justin, would you like to apologize for the way that you worded that to us?
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Yeah, we're just going to make this as difficult as possible. So keep going. We'll keep roasting you.
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Like this has happened to her before?
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Yeah, now you actually have to leave.
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Well, she must have felt really relieved to find out that she wasn't actually getting ditched, so the only place for this date to go is up from here.
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Wait, she was crying?
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Oh, your sense of humor is even darker than mine. Yeah, he's a prankster. All right.
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Maybe she was pranking you back.
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Okay. So does that mean that you ended up staying the night at her place? Yeah. Oh, silver lining.
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Okay. Was everything okay the next morning between you two?
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Yeah, I think him going back into her apartment in the same night, that would be the double version of the date.
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Okay, it was a mouth kiss then.
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Well, it could be like a, oh, I feel bad for you forehead sort of kiss.
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What were you guys thinking?
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In fact, I need to go, like, wash my brain out of whatever thoughts you were having.
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Yeah, you're poisoning me. And once we're all fresh and clean, we'll come back and do a very clean version of a second date update. I mean, I can't promise that, but fingers crossed, I'm hoping. Keep it clean right after this.
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If you're just joining us, our listener Justin had his first date end with his car tire randomly getting slashed. So we know he lives in Alexis's neighborhood. She's not arguing against that. No, no, no.
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This specific incident happened outside of his date's apartment. So he kind of turned it into, hey, it's kind of late for me to get a tow right now. So is it cool if I stayed the night? And he did. Even got a kiss the next morning. But ever since then, his date Tracy seems to be avoiding him.
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Justin, we don't know. Is there anything that's going through your mind for why Tracy's avoiding you?
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Because you tried to prank her at the mini golf course by hiding behind a mountain for a second?
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Just long enough for her to shed tears. Okay.
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Yeah, hopefully. Yeah, I mean, on this show, it's always like a simple reason, an easy misunderstanding. It never gets weird.
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Hey, is this Tracy? Yeah, this is Tracy. Hey.
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And who is this?
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I was going to let you guess a few times. Don't let her guess.
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Yeah. If you don't want to play the game, I guess we're a radio show. We're called Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.
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Well, I'm Jeffrey.
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Brooke, do you want to say who you are?
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Okay, we're not doing the fun version of this segment today. We're doing the straight down to business version where we ask you, why aren't you calling back our friend Justin after you went on a date with him?
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You didn't want to have fun with it.
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Okay, put the Band-Aid back on. We're doing a segment. It's a fun one called Second Date Update.
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I probably shouldn't be asking any more questions. Brooke, ask her something.
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I mean, we don't condone people hiding behind mountains and acting like they ditched you mid-date, if that's what you're talking about.
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We got a much different version. Well, not a much different, but a slightly different version of that story when we talked to Justin about it.
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Although you can Photoshop and video edit a lot of weird stuff.
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Some apartment managers are sketchy, and we should probably at least hear what Justin has to say about it because he is on the other line right now waiting to talk to you.
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Well, we need to at least hear what he has to say about this if he's still there. Justin, are you there?
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Justin, I'm going to step away and give you the floor here so you can explain yourself. I'm sure there's probably a very good reason for why you did that. A very noble reason.
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Weil er jede Nacht aufwacht und sich fragt, wer Castro wirklich war. Und was war er überhaupt? Und 2006 lernte Goodwin über einen anderen Tod. Und dieser war Brian Hughes, Patricia Hughes' Mann, der unter dem Auto in South Dakota verletzt wurde. Und er hat darüber gehört, weil es um den Hughes' Tochter ging.
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Und an diesem Punkt gab es fünf Töte aus drei fadalen Verletzungen in fünf Jahren, alle zusammen mit der gleichen Kommune. So in late 2006 and early 2007, Goodwin requested for the US Attorney's Office to open a case to review the commune's finances. Now we're getting somewhere. And around the same time, Goodwin was assigned to a task force to go after the Crips, a street gang located in Wichita.
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Wichita. Crips, Wichita. Das sind zwei lustige Wörter zu sagen. Und es ist hier, dass er mit Clint Snyder begann zu arbeiten. Cooler Name. Und er würde ihm alles über Castro erzählen. Und Snyder wurde sehr interessiert, aber sie waren zu beschäftigt mit den Crips an diesem Punkt.
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Und dann, 2008, wie wir wissen, Jennifer Hudson, nein, nicht das eine, würde in einem offiziellen Verkehrsangriff sterben, bringing the total commun deaths to six. And in response, strategies to trick Castro to giving prints were thrown around. Goodwin went with another detective to Angel's Landing under the guise of looking into the area for home break-ins.
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So they gave Castro glossy images of suspects, quote unquote suspects, asking if he knew any of them. And Castro would only touch the images with the palms of his hands, bastard, and would move them on a table using his fingernails. The guy... He was a shifty fucker. And Castro would give his name, but claimed that he didn't have an ID around, so he couldn't give one to them.
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And he also provided a false social security number on top of that. So in late 2009, the Cripps case cools off a bit now. And Goodwin and Snyder are assigned to the US Attorney's Office with the focus on the financial investigation. Und Goodwin bekam einen Anruf von Sullivan, dem FBI-Agent von vorher, um zu fragen, ob es eine Fax-Maschine nebenan gibt.
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Weil er wollte eine E-Mail von der Freundin eines jungen Mannes übergeben, der Teil der Kommune war. Und er war sehr bescheuert von Castro. Und an diesem Punkt hat Castro in 2010 in Columbia, Tennessee geflogen. Also nachdem die FBI diese E-Mail erhielt, begannen die Agenten, Castro Haus zu schauen. Und er lebt momentan mit fünf Leuten an diesem Punkt.
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And Castro at this point had also changed his name again to Joe Venegas upon moving to Tennessee. And he would be caught on camera showing his new ID to open a bank account. And that is when he would be charged with aggravated identity theft and fraudulent use of a social security number. We got him! Und am 21.
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April 2010 würde Goodwin, Snyder und Sullivan nach Tennessee gehen, mit einer Suchwahrnehmung von Castros Heimat. Also wurde er verhaftet und wurde endlich verhandelt. Aber kein Spiel würde in der föderalen Datenbank gefunden werden. And other investigators were interviewing witnesses through all of this time. But the members of the community weren't really giving up much info.
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They were all pretty loyal to Castro at this point. So Goodwin and Snyder just talked to basically anyone who would talk to them about this commune and everything that was going on. And they would interview about 85 people. And Castro, during this whole thing, would just stay completely silent, giving them the complete silent treatment.
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But he would plead guilty to one of the two charges brought against him in the federal case. And he would just go to federal prison as John Doe, because they still didn't know who this guy was. So during his sentence, Goodwin and Snyder worked to build the best case they had against him.
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And they discovered from Patricia Hughes' mother in Beeville, Texas, that Patricia had dated a man named Daniel Perez. Ding, ding. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. And the case, as we know, was dismissed because Perez was presumed dead. And as Perez was away in prison, his commune began to open up more and more.
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They began to be sick and tired of Perez's bullshit. And one young woman would recount an incident in which Perez made her break a computer hard drive with a hammer and toss it into the lagoon in Angels Landing. And the hard drive would actually be recovered after Cedric County firefighters drained the entire body of water to find it.
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Und schlussendlich wurde einer seiner Follower der große Verlust. Sie erklärte, dass Perez als jemand war, der die Zukunft sehen konnte und eine junge Frau nötig war, um zu leben. Und sie würde all seine Sexkriege beschreiben, die er durch die ganzen Jahre gemacht hat.
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It should be called The Devil's Landing. It's probably my worst joke. The jokes will get up from here. Go up from here for sure. And the first joke I will mention is the man named Daniel Perez, the cult leader, if you will. And he was born in Aransas Pass, Texas in 1959. And he was somewhat of an enigmatic figure with early info on his life largely undisclosed.
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Und sie würde auch beweisen, dass Perez sie gezwungen hat, eine falsche Geschichte über Patricia Hughes zu geben, als die Behörden kamen. Patricia Hughes als diejenige, die in der Kamean Pool verletzt wurde. Und diese Frau sollte sagen, dass Hughes verletzt wurde und in der Pool verletzt wurde.
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Aber was sie tatsächlich erlebt hat, waren Schreie und Schreie, die Perez aus dem Atem und komplett nackt fühlten. Er hat sie verletzt. Und mit der Testimonie hatten sie endlich genug für einen Mörderverfahren. Danke Gott! Und im Januar 2012 haben Sedgwick-Käupte Mörder und mehrere andere Angelegenheiten gegen Pérez verurteilt, während er noch im Gefängnis war.
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Und im Februar 2015 wurde Daniel Pérez von 28 Angelegenheiten verurteilt. One count of first degree murder. Eight counts of grape. Seven counts of aggravated criminal sodomy. Three counts of aggravated assault. One count of sexual exploitation of a child. Eight counts making false information.
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And he received two life sentences plus 406 months on lesser charges with no possibility for parole for at least 80 years. So the guy's gonna fucking die in a rotting jail hole. Dank dem Herrn. Aber mein Herr, also dieser Kerl, ich meine, ich kann es nicht. Ich weiß nicht, wie viele Male ich es gesagt habe. Er ist der Schicksal der Erde.
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Ich bin so froh, dass er getroffen wurde und diese Offiziere nur auf ihn waren, für so lange wie sie waren. Und ich hoffe, dass alle Verletzten viel bessere Leben leben. Aber einfach unglaublich traurig. Unglaublich traurig. Aber das bringt uns zu unserem nächsten Kult, welches ist... Liebe hat gewonnen. To born on November 30th, 1975 in McPherson, Kansas. Amy Carlson was unfortunately born.
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Subject of HBO miniseries, Love Has Won, The Cult of Mother God. Carlson's early life appeared... ziemlich konventionell. Sie wurde in einer mittleren Familie geboren, hat am meisten in der Schule überlebt und hat sogar in der Kirche teilgenommen. Aber ihre Eltern verabschiedeten sich während ihres Kindes.
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Und das führte sie und ihre Schwester Tara, um ihre Zeit zwischen ihrer Mothers Zuhause in Kansas und ihrem Vaters Zuhause in Oklahoma City zu dividieren. Danach folgten die Angelegenheiten des Verbrechens von ihrer Großmutter. Die Schwestern bewegten sich permanent mit ihrer Mutter und Großvater. The family would later relocate to Dallas, Texas, when Carlson continued her education.
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In the mid-2000s, Carlson became deeply involved in New Age philosophies and would frequently post on a forum called lightworkers.org. I went on that site, it's gone now. Ich glaube, wir werden es nie wissen. Aber dort hat sie mit einem Anwesenden namens Amrith White Eagle verbunden. Der ursprüngliche Vatergott, der sie von ihrer eigenen Gnade überzeugte. Oh nein. Oder soll ich sagen, oh Gott.
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Und als Kind arbeitete sie als Manager bei McDonald's. Weißt du... The Galactic Federation. Ich meine, das ist ein ziemlich cooler Name. Das ist ein ziemlich cooler Name. Ich gebe ihnen das. Das ist Star Wars-Schiss. Aber das wird später in Love Has Won. Und Carlson wird ein 19-Jähriger-Jähriger-Dein sein, der 534 vorherige Leben gelebt hat.
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Sie hat ein paar von Perez, dem tausendjährigen Engel, auf. Sie sagt, ich nehme deinen tausendjährigen Engel und erinnere dich an einen 19-Jährigen, der 534 Leben gelebt hat. Andere Leben. Was zur Hölle? Und diese Leben, wenn Sie sich fragten, enthaltenen die Leben von Jesus Christus, Joan of Arc und Marilyn Monroe. Einfach wie...
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all the coolest people ever basically i wish she did like elvis presley too but she that would mess up her timelines that wouldn't be legit you know and she asserted that she could heal ailments such as cancer with the powers of love the powers of love so similar to perez saying he could heal all this it's just the same with all of them at least be original like jim jones did the same he said he could see into the future he could cure cancer yeah yeah yeah i would like them to be original at some point i'm just kidding i don't want to see any more cult leaders i'll tell you what
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I love spiritual livestreams where you can... Donate bits to cult leaders. They're my favorite. But love has one operated under unique spiritual framework that combined various religions and mystical elements. Amy Carlson being the mother of God. She was basically seen as the only conduit for spiritual enlightenment and ascension.
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It was difficult to find information. auf was er als Kleines war und was er als junger Junge war, welchen Job er hatte, hat er bei McDonalds gearbeitet? Ich weiß es nicht. Der Typ ist ein bisschen... Er ist ein bisschen ein Geheimnis, aber ich kümmere mich nicht wirklich um ihn, weil er ein riesiger Scheiß ist.
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And the father of God was basically just a Rolodex of male figures in her life. Throughout her leadership, Carlson took on multiple fathers of God. Male consorts, who she claimed were incarnations of divine masculinity. And these individuals often became key enforcers of her control over her followers. So then there was the Galactic Federation and Ascension beliefs.
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Which was that the cult believed that the world was in the process of a great transformation. And Carlson was the only entity capable of leading humanity into the fifth dimension. Fifth dimension, okay. Okay, nicht ganz so, wie, du weißt, da war Space mit Applewhite oder was auch immer sein Name war. Und Scientology hat sein eigenes Ding, aber Fünfte Dimension, muss ich sagen, es ist original.
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Es ist mehr original. Aber die Follower mussten ihr Ego verlängern und vollständig zu Carlson's Teachings verabschieden. Und jede Deviation von ihrer Doctrin wurde als eine Resistenz zu spirituellem Wachstum gesehen. And the love has one integrated elements of various conspiracy theories, as I was saying. Including ideas of extraterrestrials, 5D consciousness and global government corruption.
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Which like, she's got some points. She's got some points there. But most of it's ridiculous. And the cult used several methods to attract and retain members. Because you're like, how does a woman just walk up to you on the street and say... I'm a 19 billion year old deity that's lived 534 other lives, including of which is Jesus Christ.
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Joan of Arc and Marilyn Monroe, would you like to join my little cult? People are just like... All right, I just don't see that happening. So how did they do it? They did it with social media and daily live streams. This is not looking good for social media right now. Love Has Won gained traction through frequent online broadcasts.
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And Carlson and her followers discussed their beliefs, solicited donations and recruited new members that way. And recruits were often those experiencing hardships, which we find with pretty much every cult I've ever covered and just every cult in history. Just vulnerable people. Beziehungsweise auch diejenigen, die finanzielle Unstabilität oder Gesundheitskrisen haben.
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Aber in seiner Jugend arbeitete er in Texas-Prisen, Aviation und behandelte Flugzeuge in der Navy. Und von 1996 bis 1997 wurde er auch von sessuellen Verbrechen gegen zwei junge Mädchen verurteilt. Yeah, it gets bad right out the gate with this guy. This guy is like mega POS. And these girls were only 11 and 14. But these specific cases would be dismissed. Why? You ask?
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Und der Kult hat ihnen einfach eine Art Gemeinschaft und Zweifel und Heilung gegeben. Und viele Mitglieder wurden von Carlsons Versprechen der spirituellen Erleichterung und physischen Heilung aus Krankheiten wie dem Kanzer durch ätherische Surgerien geführt. Was? Und diese werden auch manchmal als psychische Surgerien genannt.
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In anderen Worten, eine Surgery, die psychische oder spirituelle Mittel benutzt, um physische Kontakt zu vermeiden. Also es gibt diese Leute, die ihre Hände über den Körper der Menschen bewegen und dann sind die Leute unter ihnen, die sich bewegen und Scheiße. Und es ist einfach alles wie ein Placebo-Effekt. Das ist das, worüber sie sprechen.
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But again, living in this cult required complete devotion to the Mother of God and a very strict adherence to her rules. And living in this cult was not that glamorous. Members would live in very cramped quarters and they often did not have adequate food or heating. And they shared a communal space in Colorado, where they expected to serve Carlson without any questions.
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So in their daily life, the followers would participate in online broadcasts to spread the group's message and solicit donations. And this would be their main source of income. And the members would have to refer to Carlson as mom and constantly praise her. Bitch had a praise kink. Let's just be real. Believing that she was working to save humanity.
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And those who deviated and displayed ego or disobeyed orders were humiliated on live streams or subjected to verbal and physical abuse.
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Sie würde Fasten forcieren, die Mitglieder oft von irgendwelchen Füßen ausgeliefert haben, als Mittel für spirituelle Reinigung und Kontrolle, im Grunde genommen. Und Carlsson selbst ging beruflich ohne zu essen für längere Zeit, ermutigte andere, das Gleiche zu tun, was, wie, ich glaube nicht, sie ist Pop-Tarts schmutzig, wie spät abends, ich weiß es.
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Sie würde sie auch schlaflos verletzen, ähnlich wie Jim Jones. Sei original, Carlson. Aber die Follower wurden in einem Zustand von Entzündung gehalten, die Möglichkeit zu denken kritisch zu sein oder die Praktiken des Gruppes zu beantworten. Denn Schlafverletzung, ich meine, es ist real, es ist eine Torture-Taktik. Wenn du schlaflos bist, bist du ein Zombie an diesem Punkt.
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Du bist ein gebrauchtes Zombie oder hast das Potenzial, es zu sein. Und dann einfach vollständige Isolation von der Außenwelt. And then of course we had threats of punishment. One man Oh mein Gott! Was? Und natürlich, wie viele Kulte es tun, mussten Mitglieder ihre finanziellen Aspekte dem Gruppe zurückgeben, weil es kommunal ist. Jeder ist gleich hier.
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Jeder kann sein Geld reinlegen und es nie wieder sehen. Und keine Sorge, ich kaufe nicht Pop-Tarts mit ihnen. I swear. So there was the financial manipulation, isolation from families, abusive practices, claims of divine healing, miraculous transformations, literal torture tactics. It was just hell on earth for these people, but they felt like this is where they needed to be.
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Das ist nicht ein Kult. Das ist nur Spaß. Wir haben einfach einen guten Zeitraum. Ich war Jesus Christus in der Vergangenheit. Verstehe mich nicht. Es würde sogar auf Dr. Phil gedreht werden.
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Because he was reported dead. But he actually wasn't. In reality, he just changed his name to Lou Castro and moved out of state. You can't do that shit now. You can't do that shit. That's crazy. I wonder how many people did that. Just to like wipe their slate completely clean. It's just sick.
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Sie adherierte natürlich zu sehr ungewöhnlichen Gesundheitspräzisen, z.B. der Ingestion von kolloidales Silber, das die Gruppe als Kür-All-Remedy unterstützte. Es war sogar auf ihrem Website verkaufebar, was natürlich jetzt nicht mehr vorhanden ist. And in the months leading up to her death, Carlson appeared very weak, with thinning hair and discolored skin, indicative of severe health decline.
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And prolonged consumption of colloidal silver can lead to argyria, a condition causing blue-gray discoloration of skin and may result in seizures and organ failure. Maybe don't eat silver. Just a thought. I actually don't care. You're kind of a piece of shit.
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Die Kombination von schweren Schmerzen, Nahrung, intensiveren Fasten und der gläubigen Silber, die den Körper verursacht hat, war nur eine Rezeption für die Todesgeschichte. Und das wäre das, was passieren würde. Sie würde sterben. Und im April 2021 wurde Carlsons mummeltes Körper in der Gruppe Colorado-Headquarters entdeckt. Und nur ein bisschen Triggerwarnung. Das ist... Very strange.
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Her body was found in a sleeping bag wrapped in Christmas lights with her face covered in glitter and her eyes missing, suggesting a makeshift shrine. I have no words. I have no words for that. And the seven members of the Love Has Won were obviously arrested and charged with abuse of a corpse and also child abuse.
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Because two children were present in the home where Carlson's body was found, which is horrifying. Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Untertitelung. BR 2018 Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Untertitelung. BR 2018 Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Untertitelung. BR 2018 Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Untertitelung. BR 2018 Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Das war's für heute.
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But this is when he would start to build somewhat of a following, not necessarily a cult at this point, but a bit of a following, a commune, if you will. So he allegedly traveled with members of his commune for several years across multiple states before finally settling into their home of Angel's Landing, Devil's Landing.
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And the states they would move to was Texas, the Dakotas, Missouri, Kansas, and eventually Tennessee, but that was after Angel's Landing. So Perez, or Lou Castro, at this time claimed to be a seer, with the ability to see the future, you know, like That's So Raven. Und das ist ziemlich normal als Kultführer. Sie glauben alle, dass der Tod kommt. Sie wissen den Zukunft, weil sie Profit sind.
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Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 41 | DISTURBING Cults You've Never Heard Of
And key figures in the commune, including Sheila, were convicted on charges of immigration fraud, wiretapping and conspiracy to tamper with consumer products. And Sheila's conviction for her role in the Salmonella bioterror attack led to her imprisonment and eventual collapse of Rajneesh Param. Though Rajneesh was very quick to point the finger, it would not prevent him from his own arrest.
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Am 28. Oktober 1985 wurde Rajneesh auf einem verkauften Flugzeug in North Carolina verhaftet. Er und seine Gruppe gingen vermutlich nach Bermuda, um die Befugnisse zu vermeiden. Er kämpfte für 34-Jahre-Entschuldigungen, die zumeist auf Migrationsverletzungen konzentrierten. Beziehungsweise die Verabschiedung der schämen Beziehungen, die ich vorhin erwähnt habe.
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Und um die extremen legalen Kriege zu vermeiden, hat Rajneesh eine Alford-Pflege eingeführt, die bemerkt hat, dass genügend Beweise für eine Vergewaltigung existierten, ohne Schuld zu verurteilen.
Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
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Also resultierte der Pflegedealte in einer zehnjährigen verabschiedeten Entschuldigung, fünf Jahren Verabschiedung, einem 400.000-Dollar-Fonds, der Penalitäten und Verhandlungen betrifft, und einem Vertrag, die USA zu verlassen, und nicht für fünf Jahre ohne explizite Verabschiedung von den US-Betreibern zurückzukommen. So following the plea agreement, Rajneesh would leave the United States.
Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 41 | DISTURBING Cults You've Never Heard Of
And he then faced entry refusal from 21 countries before eventually returning to India, where he resumed his spiritual teachings at the Pune Ashram. And after the collapse of Rajneesh Param, many followers just dispersed globally. Some distanced themselves from the movement, while others continued to practice and promote Rajneesh's teachings independently.
Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
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And there are some just heartbreaking quotes from some of the girls that endured this fucking asshole after the fact, like after he got caught. And they were quoted saying, while other 10-year-old girls were riding bikes or playing with dolls, I was laying naked in bed with a pillow over my head, just waiting for it to be over.
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Was motiviert Menschen, ihre Leben, ihre Werte und sogar ihre Identitäten zu einem charismatischen Führer zu geben? Wie werden ordentliche, tägliche Individuen in manipulierbare, oft gefährliche, Glaubenssysteme eingeschränkt? When the illusion of a perfect world begins to break. What then?
Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
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And Rajneesh rebranded himself to Osho upon his return to India. He's pulling a Daniel Perez. And he would continue to attract followers until his death in January 19th of 1990. And the movement adapted accordingly, with the main ashram in Pune transforming into the Osho International Meditation Resort, attracting visitors worldwide.
Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
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And Osho's teachings have influenced various New Age practices and continue to attract a global audience. Und die Bewegung empfiehlt spezifisch Meditation, Geistigkeit und persönliche Transformation. Trotzdem, trotz ihres aufwändigen Abtreibens, hat die Bewegung Angelegenheiten von Verbrechen gefasst.
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Vorherige Mitglieder sind mit Erkenntnissen von Verbrechen in den Kommunen während der 1970er und 1980er Jahre vorgekommen. leading to renewed scrutiny and discussions about the movement's legacy altogether. And this was all including the account of sexual abuse from a woman whose mother brought her into Rajneesh's community at the age of nine.
Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
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And she describes life as a very young girl navigating a free love community and dealing with the advances of... viel älteren Männern. Sie schreibt, um zu sagen, and took my bad feelings to mean I was flawed. We were to be positive, not negative, so I didn't speak of my pain and confusion. When the commune collapsed in 1985, we were all flung back into the world unprepared.
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I was 16, disoriented, broke, and unsure of who I was. The trauma of my upbringing haunted me, but I couldn't yet name it. As the years passed, I came to see it for what it was, and came to see how Osha's teachings tilled the soil for abuse. Unter dem Hinblick auf die göttliche Freiheit, die mich beobachtet hat.
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Ich habe mich von der Bewegung, von den Übungen entfernt und habe ein Leben meines eigenen vergessen. Also alles, was wir darüber gesprochen haben, war nur mit diesem verbunden. All der Verbrechen und Bioterrorismus, es war alles ein Mittel, um diese Gruppe von Leuten zu haben, die Rajneesh einfach kontrollieren und alles tun, was er wollte.
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wir sehen mit all diesen Kultführern, über die wir sprechen und vielen anderen, über die ich gesprochen habe. Und es ist einfach schrecklich und so schrecklich, besonders mit Kindern. Ich meine, sie wissen es nicht besser. Sie wissen nicht, wie sie sich schützen, wie sie über das Leben gehen. Wenn ein Alter ihnen sagt, etwas zu tun, werden sie es tun.
Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
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Also es ist einfach schrecklich, schrecklich und ich bin froh, dass er tot ist. Aber das war es für die three cults that we discussed today i know it was a lot but a lot of you guys asked for a cult video so i gave it to you but if you have any other video ideas let me know down in the comments below and i hope you stay very very safe and i will see a beautiful face in the next video okay bye
Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
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And she would go on to say, while other 13 year old girls were getting boyfriends and holding hands, I was holding on to my secret and losing the people I loved one by one. When other 16 year olds were experiencing their freedom of learning how to drive and planning parties with their friends, I was planning my own death every day when I drove to school. Just heartbreaking, heartbreaking stuff.
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Like, this guy is just a waste of oxygen. And on top of being able to see the future or claiming to be able to see the future and taking advantage of young girls, he also claimed to be a thousand-year-old angel himself.
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Was? Wer? Hör auf. Ich weiß, dass jeder, nicht jeder, aber viele Leute, die in Kulte einsteigen, oft sehr verloren sind. Sie haben nirgendwo zu gehen. Sie haben keinen Sinn für sich selbst, keinen Sinn für den Wert. Aber wenn ein fucking... You know, little prick came up to me saying he could see the future, takes advantage of young girls and says he's a thousand year old angel.
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I would punch him in the throat. So for future reference, do that, do that. If some guy comes up to you and says all this stuff, this is but it's like crazy. Just another prophet. He is a prophet of some sort. He is the middleman from whoever's up there to whoever's on Earth.
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And on top of all that, he said he could make it rain and not money, which he could do money too, we'll get into that, but literally make it rain. He could heal people and he could use his future seeing powers to tell you, you are going to die. But because of him, you would come back after death.
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So basically he was like, oh yeah, yeah, you guys are gonna die like on Tuesday at 3 o'clock by getting hit by a bus, but don't worry, 16 years after that I'll bring you back. It's gonna be some crazy zombie apocalyptic shit, it's crazy. Don't worry, I'm a thousand year old angel, okay, I can see the future. Alright.
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But he basically made death feel like a very normal thing, regularly telling his followers that the goal in life was to be on the other side, and the other side being the afterlife.
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Und diese Gemeinde wurde von einer kleinen Gruppe von Menschen mit sehr diversen Hintergründen hergestellt. Alle vulnerable in irgendeiner Art und Weise, die Perez oder Lou Castro kümmern würde.
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He would actually make sure that everyone on the compound's needs were met. And not just met, because they would live very extravagantly. And this is not like a lot of other cults. I mean, usually you find that the cult leader is the only one living extravagantly. But he made sure that everybody was kind of even keel, like everybody had stuff.
Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 41 | DISTURBING Cults You've Never Heard Of
Throughout history, cults have risen and fallen, leaving behind dark stories of control, deception and tragedy. But some of the most disturbing cases remain largely unknown to the public. So we're going to dive deep into the rise and collapse of three such cults. Each led by figures who promised enlightenment, but delivered something far, far more sinister.
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But there's a reason for that, and it's really fucked up. So the compound itself was located at North Oliver near the town of Ketchy, Kansas. What a fun name. And they would have two fairly large houses and a swimming pool. And all the members, like I said, and all the members had pretty expensive vehicles. And Perez himself reportedly drove a lot of Corvettes.
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And Perez would make use of his different personas of angels inhabiting his body to control his followers. Those angels being Daniel, Arthur and Amber. And he would open life insurance policies for commune members and set up other commune members as the beneficiaries of Those policies. See where the money's coming from. You'll see. It gets bad.
Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
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So we would basically direct how the policies were to be written. He had a very specific way of writing these policies. And then he would convince his followers that those who died would come back. As we know, zombie apocalypse shit. Manipulieren sie, um seine Verletzungen rauszuholen. Weil er die Namen anderer Leute auf die Polizisten stellt.
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Leute, die nicht zu diesen Leuten oder selbst seine Namen auf diese Polizisten gehören. Nur um das Geld zu bekommen, nachdem diese Leute sterben. Aber Chris, wie würde er das Geld bekommen? Er müsste warten, bis die Leute sterben. Er müsste 50, 60, 70 Jahre warten. Nein. Wenn Geld in der Gemeinde festgehalten wurde, würde einer seiner Follower mysteriös sterben.
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Wenn die Rente bezahlt werden musste, würde er jemanden abwerfen, was so verrückt ist. Und wenn diese Person dann stirbt, würde ein sehr großer Lebensversicherungszettel der Gemeinde zu Millionen von Dollar bieten. So on top of his insurance death scheme, he was obviously exploiting these young girls as well. Like he's just bad at every angle, just a scum of the earth at every angle.
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And he would tell the girls in order to keep them quiet by him doing what he was doing, it would fix them because he is who he is. He's a thousand year old angel. He has all these powers. So he said all this stuff to basically just keep them quiet. In 2001 würde Mona Griffith, ein Mitglied der Kommune, mit ihrem Freund und ihrer 12-jährigen Tochter in einem Flughafen in Süddakota sterben.
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Dieser wurde nicht von Perez verkauft, er hat natürlich keinen Flughafen gemacht. Es war nur eine verdammte Verrücktheit. So, Perez, oder Lou Castro, war der, der als Bruder auf dem Obituarium und auf der Lebensversicherungspolizei listet wurde, was 700.000 Dollar war. Und er würde diese 700.000 Dollar über ihr anderes Kind bekommen.
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Er hatte ein Kind, das im Flugzeug-Kreis gestorben war, aber sie hatte ein anderes Kind, das nicht im Flugzeug-Kreis gestorben war. Also würde er all das Geld nehmen und nichts dem Kind geben. Und dann, im Juni 2003, würde Patricia Hughes, auch ein Mitglied der Kommune, von dem, was geblieben wurde, ein furchtbares Zerstören im Kommune-Pool sterben.
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Also, ein Feierabend würde in Südtexas stattfinden, und es wurde berichtet, dass Perez den Kommune-Mitgliedern erzählt hat, die das Feierabend beantragt haben, niemandem in Texas zu erzählen, dass er in Kansas war, weil er nicht existiert, er ist tot.
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And then in March 2006, Brian Hughes, Patricia's husband, and also a member of the commune, would die in South Dakota while working underneath a vehicle.
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Very suspicious. And then in 2008, Jennifer Hudson, not that Jennifer Hudson, different Jennifer Hudson, a real estate agent and a member of the commune would die when her vehicle crossed into oncoming traffic and would hit a truck head on. Again, very suspicious. Sarah Mcgarth, ihre Tochter und auch ein ehemaliger Teil der Kommune, würde 2008 über ihre Moms Tod erläutern.
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Verbrechen, Verbrechen, Verbrechen, Serialkiller und Mörder. Alle Dinge, die ich genießen liebe. Und ich weiß, dass du das auch tust, du krank, verdammt, wunderschöne, wunderschöne, intellektuell geistige Freak. Also heute sprechen wir über nur das. Verbrechen! Drei von ihnen. Drei von denen, die ich nicht denke, dass du gehört hast. Und wenn du es hast, dann, ich weiß nicht, hör nicht.
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Sie würde beurteilen, dass ihre Mutter an der Arbeit ging und sie versuchte, sie zu beurteilen, aber ihre Mutter antwortete nie.
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Aber Perez würde ihr nicht wirklich eine rechte Antwort geben und das machte die Tochter wirklich, wirklich wütend.
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They know that, you know, these events that are happening might be caused by Perez because they're going to come back later. It doesn't matter if they die and we collect money because they're going to come back. Remember? Remember? But this started to lose its luster after so many people were dying. Because Trish and Brian had died.
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They were other people in the commune and they hadn't come back yet. So the daughter obviously believed that her mother wasn't going to come back at least anytime soon either. So investigators would start to catch on to this scheme. A lot of life insurance policies were being paid out to like one specific person or these specific People in this commune and people were dying left and right.
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And who was this guy? Who was Lou Castro? They didn't know. So Sedgwick County Sheriff's Detective Ron Goodwin, along with other investigators, compiled 500,000 pages worth of documentation of what Perez was up to, which spanned over 20 years in multiple states, as we know. Und Goodwin hat sich neun Jahre gedauert, um herauszufinden, wer Perez war und wo er alle seine Geld bekommen hat.
Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
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Weil Perez lebte wie ein fucking König. Und er hatte keinen Job. Er hatte keinen Job die ganze Zeit, aber er fährt ein paar Corvettes, er hat Häuser, er hat einen Pool, er hat all diese Dinge. Also hat es einfach nicht weitergegeben. So he became suspicious of Perez, at this point still known as Lucastro. In April 2003, when he noticed Perez's group had multiple 40 to $50,000 vehicles.
Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 41 | DISTURBING Cults You've Never Heard Of
Very suspicious. And their compound had the two houses and a very nice swimming pool as well. So all of this unexplained wealth was starting to look pretty nefarious. A lot of nefarious activities looked like they were happening. So Goodwin was on the case. So if you remember, June 2003, a member of the group Patricia Hughes would die in the commune swimming pool. Accidentally.
Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
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For those of you listening, I'm making very obvious, you know, quotes, winking. Und das war einer der Fälle, die Goodwin bemerkte, um weiter zu schauen und herauszufinden, dass Castro nicht der ist, der er sagt. Und Castro hatte keine offenen Rekorde und war nicht einfach identifizierbar. Und er hatte im Grunde auch keinen identifizierbaren Vergangenheit. Weil der Kerl existierte nicht.
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So he would do a little song and dance and claim that he came from oil wealth and he was an inventor or that he was a cattle seller, just spewing bullshit to investigators. And none of which could be verified, so it didn't hold up very long. But all of the members in the commune were identifiable through databases, but Lou Castro was not. So that was looking suspicious, suspicious even more.
Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
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But Goodwin did find that Castro had a South Dakota ID card. And this would lead to the discovery of Mona Griffiths death in 2001. On top of her boyfriends and her daughters, where Castro was listed as the brother of Griffiths. So he was just raking in the dough after all three of these people died.
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Ja, du sollst trotzdem hören. But without further ado, let's unbuckle our seatbelts, go Mach 5 down the highway, slam on the brakes and bust through this windshield into these three disturbing cults together. So, the first cult we're going to be talking about today is Angels Landing. Sounds nice, right? It's fucking not. It's not. It's the furthest thing from nice.
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In 2004 hat Goodwin den Hilfe von FBI-Agent John Sullivan verabschiedet, um Castro zu identifizieren. Sie hatten schon vorher zusammengearbeitet bei anderen Drogenfällen und Sullivan konnte keine Foto oder Beschreibung finden, die mit Lou Castro zusammenhängt. Nicht mal die FBI konnte herausfinden, wer dieser Kerl war. Und Goodwin machte alles, was er konnte, um Fingerprint zu bekommen.
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Er folgte Castro herum und sammelte Trash aus dem Komponenten. Er bekam sogar die Möglichkeit von einem Manager, Glasses und Silberware zu sammeln. Das ist wie Filmmusik. Aber kein Fingerprint, um Castro zu identifizieren, wurde jemals gefunden. So wurde der Fall langsam kalt. So führte Goodwin nach Angels Landing, über die nächsten paar Jahre, jedes Mal ein bisschen.
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Alright, me and Sean are starting out the pod. We're tossing in a little Alp. Shout out to Tucker. You were on Tucker's too? No, I've been on Tucker.
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what was like the civilians like appetite when you guys were there were they like angry with you guys or were they like happy you guys were there like because i know at some points they were saying like you guys were just being policemen there at a certain point right i don't know if that was when you were there but now we were never policemen but um i mean look i guess the way you can kind of look at it is america right you got super blue states and super red states and
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College basketball is going insane right now. There's never been a better time to fire on PrizePix. I'm going to be firing pretty much every day. So download the PrizePix app, the best app in the game to fire on sports. Take advantage of code NELK. Let's get into the pod. Who's the craziest person that you've had on the craziest person? Obviously you've had Trump.
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You put your life on the line there and like you serve there looking back now, do you think that's a war that should have happened or?
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But Afghanistan, that's a different story. You think that one was justified?
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Because there's so much weird shit with that, like all the Bin Ladens flying out.
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That is so interesting. So it's these private companies that are getting paid by multiple different agencies to go and fight?
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So, and the CIA is funded by taxpayer dollars or is it privately funded too?
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You know, even when you employ someone, it's easier to make them a contractor.
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You know what I mean? That's like the main, the main thing, right?
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Did you see what we did with him when we gave him the big Zin container? Did you ever see that? So we surprised Tucker with, uh, like the world's biggest Zin container. I'll show it to you after. Nice. Yeah. We like flew it in on a helicopter. I don't think he's a big fan of Zen anymore.
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Does it stop you from like thinking certain things are important in society or like? Cause maybe they're not like, it may, it just, um, yeah. Like money's not important or like, cause at the end of the day, it's kind of not right now.
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So you're really struggling with like addiction before that and right after that.
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You're just completely drug free. Yeah. That's fucking like a miracle.
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Now that you've done it a few times, what do you think, what's happening when you do it? Like you're opening up another sense or you're like...
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I wonder, we should do it for a video. I just, it's scary, right? If you've never done it, like you said, I have those same assumptions. Like, is it, am I going to come out the same?
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And you do other psychedelics. You do you like fuck with mushrooms, right?
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Yeah. Group of Australian girls. They just love them. You ever been to Disneyland on shroom chocolates? No. You got to try it out. No. It's a good time.
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How do you think we solve some of these problems with vets? Because it's such a big issue, right? And they're putting their lives on the line to protect freedom, protect the country and stuff. Is there any solutions to fixing this adrenaline problem or just the way that they're treated?
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You don't want to go full gambit. That's good. You've had Trump on. How do you think he's doing so far? I know I saw you said on Joe Rogan's that America maybe aren't the good guys anymore when you were on there. Do you think that now Trump is in office? Has that changed at all? Or what's your outlook on that?
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That's crazy. I got to look into that. We might have to do that for a video if we can handle it. What's next for Sean Ryan and the business and the podcast?
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Yeah. Congrats, man. I mean, your story is very inspiring. This, this combo is awesome. And yeah, you have one of the biggest podcasts in the world, so wish you nothing but great success.
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And yeah, maybe I was thinking we got to do a, if Sean could get us into some Navy training or something, I think it'd be cool to show our audience, like, yeah, man, just put us through the ringer or something like that. I'll tell you what, we should do something for our next channel, like something lifestyle.
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This was like a year and a half ago. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. But no, dude, I'm pumped to have you here. Sean Ryan, this guy's become like an absolute inspiration to like millions of people. I know you're in the Navy, you're in the CIA, so much military, you know, experience and stuff like that.
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all these wars but i mean you know we're going for for your increments geopolitically i was saying too because like i saw recently i guess we struck the like iranian is it the houthis and yeah yemen and then you got the gaza and israel thing going on in ukraine russia what do you make of like the geopolitical like wars going on right now
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I think he can too. I think he's a really good negotiator and he seems like he's just a people pleaser, right? Too. So I think you never see him insulting someone like he doesn't insult. I guess he insulted Zelensky, but maybe he knows that you got to insult Zelensky to kind of get to him too.
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But I think if you insult Putin, you kind of, you piss him off and then he's never going to make a deal with you. Right. So what do you think was like the most nonsense war that America has ever been involved with?
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And now you started a podcast and I think you've just obviously become like a help to so many people and inspired so many people. Did you ever think that like back then, did you ever think you'd be doing like a podcast now that's so successful?
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Yeah, you have an incredible story. I know you joined the Navy when you were 18. Yeah. And did you do eight years in the Navy?
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What made you want to, like, enlist originally, like, all those years back then?
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You're considered a legend too. So you always want to do a good job, right? Yeah. If you guys have not tried out the prize picks app, you got to download it right now. You guys know me. I've tried every single app when it comes to firing on sports and prize picks is by far my favorite. What I love about PrizePix is instead of choosing teams, you're choosing individual players.
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What was that like? It was somber, man. Getting deployed into Afghanistan.
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And pro-Putin. Yeah. Okay. Next up in Trump's America, we have the new Transportation Secretary, who we did an expose on a couple weeks ago of him running around in his panties. Anyway, here he is speaking, I believe, to the FAA. Anyway, it's a room full of federal employees. And here's how well Trump's America is being received right now. The people that Trump puts in charge. Please play the clip.
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He is just getting relentlessly booed and trolled. And here's the fact of the matter. We had Pete Buttigieg. Every president gets to put their own cabinet. I don't have issue with that. Pete Buttigieg, Rhodes Scholar, was an incredible transportation secretary. And they all know it.
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They all know that this guy, Duffy, who runs around in his panties, making a bunch of sexist jokes, getting hammered, all that video evidence exists. He doesn't know shit from Shinola. And he's standing up there because they're firing FAA agents because Elon Musk wants to control all of this stuff.
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They are doing Elon Musk, who in the previous video I just showed is an untreated drug addict, tripping balls, running around with sunglasses on inside and, um, Chainsaw. Chainsaw and ignoring tweets from his baby mamas when his kids need medical care. They are booing this guy because he's firing qualified people and planes are falling out of the sky. They are making us less safe.
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And at the end of the day, this is the stuff Americans want to pay taxes for. We want to make sure that planes don't collide in air. We want to make sure our water isn't contaminated. We want to make sure shit is secure. We don't want to have to think about it. And don't fall for this trap, listener. Do not fall for... Oh, we want it to be privatized.
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That is a road to everybody getting screwed over because all corporations want to do is cut costs, which harms you and benefits the shareholder.
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Well, and I just want to remind everybody, we did an episode about this, but what happened is Elon Musk rocketed. It exploded and it caused a bunch of debris. And this was during Biden's time period. And Secretary Buttigieg was like, because they had to reroute all these planes because debris was about to hit passenger jets.
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Passenger jets that you take your darlings on to go to Disney World and to the Caribbean, etc. And so it was a huge catastrophe. So the head of the FAA ordered an investigation in this and also grounded all of Elon Musk's rockets. That's why he has come at lightning speed and fired anybody who interferes with him profiting or conducting his experiments. And Duffy's job is to make sure we're safe.
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Elon Musk doesn't give a fuck if we're safe or not. He doesn't give a fuck about his kids as evidenced by the fact that he uses little X as a human shield, number one. And number two, two out of five of his baby mamas can't get a hold of him. And they're having to communicate with him via Twitter because they all know that's where he is all the time.
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Because aside from being an untreated drug addict, he's an untreated Twitter addict. Okay, next up, here we have Laura Ingraham over at Fox News. And this is a trend that is very dangerous and is going to take a long time to unravel. This is the stuff that wants Trump and Musk are out of here. This is the stuff that lives on for a long time.
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She's talking about planes crashing, and let's hear who she blames.
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All right, what they're doing is now for a portion of the MAGA loyalists, whenever they see a female in a position of power, And especially, this will especially be harmful for Black people that get into positions of success or just any sort of job. They are going to think and diminish every time they see a person of color or a woman in these jobs that they aren't able to do them.
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It appears that the man who is running the United States of America, who was just at CPAC, is so under the influence of drugs that he could barely compose a sentence. I want you guys and Pumps to take a look at this clip.
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I want to detract. If I ever said, I don't think I've ever said this, but if I've ever said Elon Musk is clearly intelligent or clearly smart, I want it in the permanent record that I do not believe that he is. I think he is an opportunist and he is clearly an untreated drug addict. He could not put a sentence together as he's sitting there inside with sunglasses on.
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And I would argue that most of the time they're probably more capable. But this is an upholding and a cling on to the patriarchy. But as they keep injecting, this into the popular culture and injecting it. Social media, news, propaganda network is what that is. And it keeps going and going. The damage to this, to the generation coming up, is horrific.
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It is horrific because I would argue that women... And particularly people of color have it much more difficult to get to these positions than the white man, than Duffy did or Elon Musk did or Donald Trump did. And so this is just such a dangerous, overtly racist practice that is diminishing hardworking people. And I just fucking hate it.
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racism never went anywhere no but we were making some progress right but i i remember a conversation where we had on this podcast with the sports journalist el uh el duncan el duncan she's a black um espn journalist we talked about obama with her and she said that after he won her dad
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said we're really going to pay for this in black culture and in black communities they knew that there would be a white lash to him being elected and him being so good at his job but i also want to ask you this what would fox news do if a black man was running on stage at a convention
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who runs around in the Oval Office, rides on Air Force One, appears to be running a department of the United States of America, if not the entire country, with sunglasses on inside and a chainsaw. How could... I don't know that they could prevent themselves from not dropping the N-word on live TV. Oh, I think they would.
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Yes. Well, a lot of the conversations about George Soros feed the anti-Semitic base. That's what that's about. And that always has been. George Soros stands up for human rights and has always fought the good fight. But because he is Jewish, that's where a lot of anti-Semitism has been fueled over the last – 10 to 15 years.
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So the takeaway message, listener and pumps, is this, is this DEI talk and this administration does nothing but prop up white supremacy and the patriarchy, and they are lying liars. Elon Musk is a direct threat to democracy. And that's all we have to say. And you can stick with us for more information. Please subscribe to our channel. We're trying to get to half a million subs.
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And of note of the CPAC, I just want you to know, I saw this online. They kicked out the January Sixers. What? Yes. And one of them was filming it and he was all mad. Like, I'm a January Sixer. I can't believe you're kicking me out. Blah, blah, blah. All that's just for show. Nobody wants to hang out with the January Sixers. Nobody wants to hang out with them at CPAC.
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They are props for the oligarch.
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how much they play defense on their masculinity is really hilarious.
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Senator Klobuchar, I appreciate that you think that a portion of the American public can identify lies, but I want to share something devastating with you. I was playing pickleball on Sunday. And at the end of the match, we were kind of hanging out. And this woman who's 10, 15 years older than me, politics come up. Elon Musk comes up. Ukraine comes up.
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She starts spouting Putin propaganda, defending Putin. bashing. This is in Oklahoma City. She starts bashing Vladimir Zelensky. And I asked her, I'm like, where did you get all this information from? Like, this is completely pro-Kremlin information. She says, well, you're not going to like it, but I got it from Tucker Carlson.
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And I'm like, well, you're not going to like this, but Tucker Carlson is on Vladimir Putin's payroll. And there is just a portion of the population that we're all going to have to deal with. They like the lies. And it's a bigger, bigger, bigger portion.
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Before you came on, I showed a clip of Donald Trump just yesterday taking a victory lap because he believes, Senator Klobuchar, that his approval rating is 71% or 69%. He gave, he quoted two things, which this tells me in our listener that he still has the people that run around with him that making picture books like he did when he was on his felony trial.
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So you can sift through those because they have to limit his screen time, much like people have to limit their children's screen time. So if they're trying to limit reality from him, then we have to ask ourselves, Senator, who is in charge? And we all know, and you have access to a lot more tea than we do that. Musk was having chit-chats with Putin over the last couple of years.
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We know that Peter Thiel has completely fully indoctrinated the Vice President of the United States, J.D. Vance, who's been nothing short of an abject disappointment. And it feels like to everybody that now Donald Trump is the puppet and these oligarchs are in charge. So my question to you, and teeing that up, is number one, How do we address?
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And as a politician, you're going to have to address that a lot of your constituents like trafficking in misinformation and disinformation. They like it. They have an appetite for it because it feeds something in them that we need to deal with as a country. And number two, what the hell are we going to do about Elon Musk?
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Yesterday's running around with a chainsaw, clearly tripping on something with sunglasses on, acting like a nut at CPAC, a total And we remember what happened when Obama wore a tan suit. I'm surprised Fox News lived through that.
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Senator Klobuchar, I like your optimism. I have a feeling that we need to be a kryptonite wall against them, that the days of bipartisanship are over. We are in a very dark era and just are kind of, we're on the ground all the time with your base and we want to see you guys F them up. We have had it up to our eyeballs. This is humiliating. It is dangerous.
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People are going to suffer and are already suffering this USAID and all of these things.
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And I mean, for me, like for them, whether they're alpha, beta, you know, Zeta, nobody ever really thinks about this except for them because they're constantly on defense. And I think that there is an argument to be made that they're suppressing something more. And it's not that there's some attack on white men, but they live in this really delusional world.
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Senator Klobuchar, keep fighting the good fight. And remember when they are trying to do, want something out of you, remember all of these people surrounding the President of the United States are doing Heil Hitler salutes. And we have to stand firm against this. This is a big moment in history. We're here for you. You're welcome to come on our podcast. Anytime. Great.
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And I want to play for you this clip of the, uh, President of the United States, convicted felon Donald Trump. This is just yesterday.
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We particularly would love to do a little gossip about your coworkers. If you want to do that as therapy, if you don't want to go to the container store, we have a lot of questions about like Ted Cruz and some of the others, but that would just be a girl talk gossip hour. So just let us know.
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That's what, okay. Listen up, you guys. When we interviewed Barack Obama, I'm so nervous. This was at the DNC when we had Hope.
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When Hope was still alive. And so we're sitting there and I'm like freaking out. I'm like looking at him going, that's Barack Obama. And we're like, I mean, he's like closer to me than Pump says right now. And I go, so Barack Obama. I mean, you wanted to die. I was just like, I still think about it from time to time.
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Yeah. So, you know, I think we, let's just do a quick post show. You know, I, I hear her say, cause what she has to do is go to the Senate and do things and she has to go there and in her mind, like I'll work with them where we can. This is the part where maybe it's because I'm not a Senator or maybe I'm just a cynical twat. Both are possible.
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But my thing is when you see people doing Heil Hitler salutes, we saw Steve Bannon do one yesterday. We saw Musk do it at the inauguration. The president, Donald Trump, has never come out and said, we don't have space for this. I'm not going to allow this. We see the White House doing ASMR videos about capturing illegal immigrants. It's relaxing watching them get shipped off.
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And we see the cruelty. My stance is, fuck you. I'm not working with you on jack shit until you get Elon Musk the fuck out of here and and reconcile all this Nazism. Fuck you, I'm not doing one thing with you. But that's probably why I'm not a senator. That's what I was going to say.
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Well, I think in many ways what they did last night was they put these people on record for their votes, and This is a fact. Donald Trump has created more national debt than any other president ever. 25% of the national debt was incurred by his first term. Everything else that he's wanting to do is only going to add more debt.
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Okay. So I think that you remember when he was during his felony trial, he had somebody just print out positive news articles for him because he wasn't allowed screen time like a toddler. And he would go through his notebook and just read positive articles about himself. I think that they just make stuff now. They probably have, the White House has a Photoshopper that says, approval rating 71.
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One of the things that Elon Musk hasn't slashed at all is the interest payments on all of this debt. And yeah, he's cut this, he's cut that, he's barely cut anything. Right. all he's done is harm people, but they will be adding trillions more dollars in debt so that all of the wealthiest of the wealthy in the United States of America can get more of a tax break.
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And meanwhile, fleecing, fleecing working class Americans who in large numbers voted for Trump, which is just horrible and embarrassing and just.
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Another poll is 69 because he's all about metrics. Right. And they put it in his notebook to keep screen time away from him. Because I think what's so scary right now is I think he's the puppet. I think we, Donald Trump, we were all so fearful of him. I'm now more fearful of the force behind him.
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I think he's a Trojan horse because the fact that he's getting up there and saying that tells me that he's surrounded by people that are just feeding him bullshit. Right.
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because you know what i think about like what what is the essence of masculinity you could answer this in so many different ways but when i think about me and my guy friends we really like to tell jokes to one another okay so here's what i have to say about this i've never seen such a defensive group of people about something they're constantly having to defend their masculinity and he talks about men feeling like they have to suppress
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Wait, Elon Musk yesterday at CPAC. To say he's organized and on task, we're watching like somebody completely spiral with a chainsaw and sunglasses, and he's barely able to put together sentences. Maybe like a year ago or two years ago, he was more together presenting.
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But what I'm seeing lately out of him is he's basically gaslighting the American public, picking fights with astronauts that are far more educated and smart than he is.
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running around inside with sunglasses on, tripping balls on ketamine with a chainsaw to try to detract from the fact that he is robbing the United States of America and trying to get the people whom he's robbing to be mad at the very agencies that help them or keep them safe. So I don't know that Elon Musk can be in the organized position anymore, but I do think he's surrounded by
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scarily, and we'll ask Senator Klobuchar when she gets on here, Putin, which I think he's organized. I think he's played a couple decades long game to the United States. I think Peter Thiel controls J.D. Vance in the exact same manner that Elon Musk controls Donald Trump.
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Every morning, the happiest person in Trump's America is Vladimir Putin. Absolutely. And the fact that all of these national security Republicans like Marco Rubio, now I understand why Trump called him little Marco. I get it. I totally get it because he knew that he could own him. He knew that he could control him.
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I remember when Marco Rubio first took the national stage, he offered the speech after one of Obama's State of the Union. And all of the conservatives were like, oh, my God, this is our guy. He's going to be the next big Republican candidate. And as he's given this speech, he has like really bad dry mouth. And he keeps reaching over for this Poland Springs water and like downing it.
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Welcome to IHIP News. We are live today. Pumps and I are in studio. There's a lot, a lot to cover. Later on in a few minutes, we are going to have Senator Amy Klobuchar join us. Cory Booker had a scheduling conflict. Obviously, there's a lot going on at his job. But I want to show you all and Pumps a clip from J.D. Vance yesterday, and then I want us to dissect it. Play the clip.
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But he's trying to keep his face on the camera. This guy has been face planning for decades. And it's no surprise that he ended up with the most incompetent, dangerous people on the planet. I could tell from that water speech that it wasn't going to end well for little Marco. Kylie, is Senator Klobuchar here yet? Not yet. She'll be here shortly. Okay. Let us know when she gets in. All right.
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Let's look at some comments from some YouTube lives. Seth, can you pop any comments up? Rubio says, Is a wet disgrace. He totally is storm rising. Marco Rubio is a total disgrace. Lil Marco. Let's see. Rubio is going to crack. He's in way too deep, Caroline. I completely agree. I agree too. He looks like a little hostage trotting around. And you know he thought State Department diplomat. Right.
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I'm going to be doing cool stuff with cool people. I'm going to be respected. And then he walks into this meeting in Saudi Arabia and gets hustled by these former KGB agents that own him before he even took his first breath of oxygen in that room.
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Yeah. So somebody asked me in here if I'm still sick. I'm finally feeling better. There's no question in Trump's America, I've been unable to kick this. My voice is still hoarse, but it's because I'm just here fighting for democracy with you all every day. Let's see what else we have here. MAGA is uneducated. Nancy says that. Yeah, totally. I completely agree with that.
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their masculinity. And I want to make the argument that J.D. Vance is a failed drag queen. Put up the image. Okay. I think what he's suppressing are his feminine instincts. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. You know, we know that he is dying to pop a smoky eye. And so show the eyeliner. So I think the only thing this man is suppressing is his inner drag queen.
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MultiStacker says changing shopping habits is effective money talks. I completely agree with her on that. And I saw that Target's most recent sales report has dramatically decreased since they stopped their DEI. And I've seen a lot of stuff on social media about people boycotting Target. And so I agree with this commenter. Joanne says, what happens to Musk if Trump is gone?
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This is a great question. And I think about this all the time, Joanne, because I feel like then they put J.D. Vance, and I feel like J.D. Vance would still be owned by the same oligarchy that is owning Trump right now.
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Let me tell you this. So when I'm not a podcaster, I have been an interior designer for over 25 years. I get about four to five emails per day from vendors that are doing a pre-price hike that will be effective March 15th. And it says, due to the potential impact tariffs. And basically, the business is not being on stable footing economically because of the potential of tariffs.
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Because even American-made furniture, some of the parts, if the furniture is made in America, come from Mexico, come from Canada, come from overseas. A lot of parts come from China. So there's already a 20% price hike in the interior design world, which affects home building. We have a housing crisis. I think we're going to see inflation through the roof.
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So just his talk about tariffs, having them taking him away, tweeting about him, talking about him, press conference, it is going to completely, any sort of inflation mitigation that Biden was doing, which was effective, which was the best in the world post-COVID, it's gone now. We have the senator. Oh, my gosh. Right. Hey, hello, Senator Klobuchar. How are you?
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It looks good. I think you did a great job stacking the books with the bowl. Senator Klobuchar, we're all freaking out. Let's really have a talk about this. We're all watching this. We're watching Marco Rubio, your former Senate colleague, looks like a hostage. He looks like he was completely hustled by these two former KGB agents in Saudi Arabia.
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Trump is out there lying left and right, spouting Putin propaganda, pro-Kremlin talking points. It feels like we are going to be allies with Russia and China and that we're going to abandon NATO. What do you think about that?
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and his strong desire to go from eyeliner to a full-blown sexy smoky eye. Because the amount of energy that the right wing and that MAGA men have to spend on defense, they don't play offense. They're constantly having to defend their masculinity. When they are, you know, I look at JD Vance, I can see that he's a man. It doesn't enter my mind if he's super manly or not manly enough. It's just,
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This is the third time they've done this thing. This was the most extreme one. But the third time they've done this in these playoffs, in the Bucs series, they were down 7 with 40 seconds left. In the Cavs series, they were down 5 with 30 seconds left. In this game, they were down 8 with 40 seconds left. They were down 14 with...
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They don't run out of gas.
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So the discussion that I think was thrown out there. Did they have like six points in the last two minutes? Yeah, and the discussion that was thrown out there because obviously Tyrese Halliburton hits that shot. Incredible shot. Toe on the line, but still like such an insane shot for it to bounce that high.
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And he does the Reggie Miller choke, which was a ballsy move because he, well, he didn't know at the time. He thought he had won the game. I'm okay with it. Yeah. No, I'm fine with it too. Aura. You agree? Yeah. What about the laced up Tims? Yeah.
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Yeah. But I don't think the Knicks choked as much as they choked a little bit. They were making shots. Yeah. And they missed some free throws. And obviously there was the goaltending that everyone's going to talk about. And over time, I get it. Like to say the Knicks choke, though, does a disservice to Aaron Neesmith going into God mode. That was God mode.
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What he did in those three minutes or whatever it was, maybe a little more, was insane. Five for five from three.
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Insane.
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Did he play for the Celtics? Yeah. Oh, no. That's wild. Oh, no. That was so impressive. God mode. Yeah. Like, I don't really know what else. I don't think you can say in the zone because it was more of a crunched time frame, and it was perfect. He was above the zone.
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Well, I think – I don't know about the – because what did he end up scoring, 42? Yeah, he had a great game. He had a great game. I think the crazier part for the Knicks is that when it was 10 minutes left in the game and it was 94-92 – and Jalen Brunson gets his fifth foul, you're saying to yourself, oh, fuck, the Knicks are going to be in trouble here.
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And then the Knicks ripped off a 14-0 run, and you're like, oh, my God, Jalen Brunson's sitting on the bench, and we just went on a 14-0 run? And... Like you said, you back it up. It's just like looking at all of the scores at different times is just insane. They were up 119-105 with 250 left. They were up 7 points with a minute and 20 left. They were up 8 points with 40 seconds left. It just...
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It was an impossible comeback, and they did it because Aaron Neesmith was insane.
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Yeah, he did. That was his last tweet. His last tweet. I did an Ursae legacy game. And we'll talk about him in a second. But that was, I just, the Pacers are so much fun. They're so much fun to watch because they have just guys with big balls who make big shots. And Hal Burton, Hal Burton is so good. And I know that like he got voted overrated. He now is the most underrated.
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And we dove into that stat.
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It was Rachel. No, it was 13 people. She said 13 total players.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I was watching a clip. There was someone posted it. It was like, I've loved Halliburton from this moment. And he was doing like a watch along for a, I don't know if it was a playoff game or a NBA League Cup game. And it was a highlight of Jordan Poole with like 10 seconds left chucking a three from like 35 feet.
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And the other two people on the panel, I think it was Taylor Rooks and someone else. They're like, what? How do you take that shot? And Halliburton's like, I love that shot. He's like, that was a great shot. He's wide open. He's like, I'm taking that shot in the playoffs next year. Yeah. That's just what he is. He's just unafraid.
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Like the move to go into the paint like that and then come out and you knew he was going to take it. It was a stupid fucking shot, but it was crazy.
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Yeah. He got, he got his, the hands were put on there. What were you going to do? What are you doing?
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Yeah, so memes, let's talk about this.
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Memes, we did a review of your tweets last night. Good job. There was one that we noted, though. Where did you guys review this? We were sitting in here. Yeah, we did an internal review.
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Nice. It's part of our evaluation.
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We do it every Friday. We look through all your tweets. But you had it all. You had the choke. You had everything. You were doing all caps. But the one that made us laugh was the choke picture was not all caps, and it just said, Hal Burton hit the choke on the tying basket. Yeah, I did. Yeah.
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Yeah. So how are you? I mean, it's one game. That's the thing is there was a lot of it was a shocking game. Knicks fans were commiserating, which I understand. But it was just one game. You win on Friday night, and it's like, all right, let's go.
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Yeah, and the Knicks, like, if you want to go positive spin zone, the Knicks were the better basketball team for 56 minutes, 57 minutes. Yeah.
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I was doing NFL time. Wow, wow. We just did American Rejects. They played a private concert for us. It was sick. We're going to have the lead singer on the show on Tuesday. They played the better game for 45 minutes.
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Yeah.
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He's like, I want to get this over with and get the fuck out of here. Yeah.
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By the way, no Knick fan should be judged for how they handled that loss because that loss was as gut-punching as you get. Anything you said, did, acted in the two hours after that game should be legally wiped from the record.
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Can you read some of them? No. Max is shaking his head no. It was that hard of a crash out?
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Did you apologize? Did you go after anyone? No, no, no.
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Oh, did you quit last night?
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All right. And then what else was said in the...
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Damn. That is Shane's fault. I was like, I don't want to be thinking about this. It's just one game. But the Pacers are so much fun. And they're a scary, scary team. Because they don't. You just can't.
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Yeah. And also, the Knicks still... Cat was very good, and he's going to be a mismatch problem for the Pacers. OG's been good. Yeah. I think this will still be a series. Jalen Brunson's still incredible. That was a tough, tough loss. Did you see the new cat sound dropped? Let me get it to Max so he can play it for you guys. I fucking love cat. I need him mic'd up for every single game.
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He's so fucking funny. But you got to keep your head up. It's one game. Win Friday night. And you're good to go. Yeah, you can't win a six if you don't lose two. That's true. You did predict it. Ready for this? This is Mitchell Robinson talking to Cap before the game.
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Okay. I'm here.
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SEC. Are you in the halibut? I am. I've been riding with the Pacers. Like I said, I had a money line on Wednesday night, which was the craziest win possible. I might be in Al Qaeda. I've been in the halibut and Pacers. This whole run, they're just fun.
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And also, you don't have the best Tyrese in the NBA. Oh, no.
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No, no, no. No, no, no. It's also crazy because did you guys see there was a – someone did all the draft picks for each team in the conference finals, and it's like the Pacers have built a team of not top three guys, and it's pretty damn impressive.
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Yeah.
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Win-win. Yeah. But, I mean, you didn't know he had Godmode.
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Did you... The Halliburton choke, it could have been a bad one. If they had lost in overtime, that would have been as bad as you get in terms of memes and everything going after them.
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Since 1997 and 98, teams are 4-1,640 when trailing by 7-plus in the final minute of the fourth quarter or OT in the playoffs. The Pacers account for three of those four wins. That is nuts. In these playoffs. That is nuts. That's fucking insane. Yep. 4-1,640, and they have three out of four in these playoffs.
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It was cold. Do I still have that ticket? I can't wait. I cannot wait for this concert.
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crazy how many points would you need to be up by memes in the final minute of the fourth quarter to feel comfortable 15 15 15 that sounds like that sounds like a challenge that feels like a new pacer stat that's gonna drop yeah you should have gone like 25 yeah dude you don't like the stats that came out after this game i know we're all so shocking you don't want to make a new one and i loved looking at all of them they're they're mind-boggling 41640 crazy numbers
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Yeah, last thing on this game. I saw that Charles Barkley actually said this to Adam Silver, and we agree. It's time to get Tyrese Halliburton's dad back in the States.
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Yeah.
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I don't think he'd win the fight. I don't think he wants to fight after he has to fight. Yeah. All right. Talking about this game on Friday night, let's do first basket scores brought to you by our friends at DraftKings.
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Oh, hell yes. Whenever you get both Donnies involved, it's a great time. It's rare. Yeah. The Thunder are really fucking good.
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Pacers, Knicks, I need to catch up with Max, so I'll just go Halbert. All right. 11 to 1. 11 to 1. What are you guys going to do?
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Plus 475. And Max, you're in the lead for our competition? I am. What are you up?
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So you better not have Halliburton hit one. I know.
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Oh, I see. All right. Plus 950. I was reading Josh Hart. Plus 950. My bad. Plus 950. Good catch, Max. That is a good catch.
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That's a big difference. That's a big difference. They're at the bottom. I saw. Plus, I was reading it and didn't link the names.
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Yeah. Real fast. Plus 950. You know what? Maybe I'll parlay Halliburton and Josh Hart. They'll share a first basket. That's cute. I don't even know what that means. That's adorable. I can't do that. Okay. Other things we got to talk about. Jim Irsay passed away. Very sad. I was thinking about a PFT. I think Jim Irsay is... The closest to how I would want to live my life if I was a billionaire.
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And he was the coolest for that. He had a football team. I know his dad bought the team, but he owned a football team. He collected sick guitars. By all accounts, he would just hand people money and do really awesome things for people without having anyone say anything, like being like, hey, I don't want the publicity. He partied.
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He was a billionaire NFL owner who has many pictures of him shirtless or has stains on his shirt. He lived how you should live if you are a billionaire.
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That happened thanks to Shams for spoiling it.
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Yeah, some complicated things.
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He's saying they should have done it during that. Yeah, I think there was a famous one. I think it might have been. Dirk Nowitzki. No, that was after he got bounced. Dirk got it in the second round after they got bounced by the Warriors. I want to say it was like a David Robinson Hakeem. They announced it during the actual series. But yeah, I agree with you.
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Yeah, and I think he obviously battled some addictions. He was a complicated guy, but guess what? Complicated people are more interesting in life. There's good and bad, but that's kind of why I looked at him and he felt like one of the more human owners that we had in sports because he did have demons and things that happened, but he wore them all. And it was like, this is who he is.
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He's not perfect, which I'd much rather that than someone be like, oh, yeah, I'm perfect. Everything's perfect.
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Yeah.
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I saw Eric Burkhart had a thread today that I feel like summed up Jim Irsay. He told the story. He said a brief Jim Irsay story that I believe is important to share. Years ago, I had a Colts client player who unexpectedly lost a beloved family member. Mr. Irsay personally called me with the sincerest condolences for the entire family.
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Further, he offered to pay for the funeral, which we graciously dismissed. Days later, Jim's right-hand man called me, insisted that Mr. Ursae pay for the funeral. His one condition was that it wasn't made public that he did this.
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And upon following through and assisting them in executing his amazing gesture, his guy told me in confidence, Jim Ursae does so many incredible things like this on his own and without credit. And last year alone, he paid for hundreds of funerals. And that's like, that's the coolest thing. People...
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We'll make the argument about like, hey, charity, you got to talk about your charity so then you get more charity. Like Jim Irsay probably touched so many people's lives and did so many things for so many people that we have no idea about because he did not want credit and he did not want people to be like, oh, wow, Jim Irsay is the best. He just did it because he was a good guy.
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Yeah.
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They should have done it before game seven. Yeah, they should have. Yeah.
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Yeah. So yeah, and he was one of the more interesting guys in the NFL world. So RIP Jim Irsay. Also speaking of the NFL world, Max, congratulations. Tush Push stays.
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Yeah. Jeffrey Lurie, the owner of the Eagles, said... It is like a wet dream for a teenage boy to create a play that is so successful, the only way for it to be stopped is for it to be banned. You can't ban wet dreams. No.
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Do you think Jeffrey Lurie has come to the tush bush? He's not a teenage boy.
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They fucking... Post-teen? The fact that you just stop having wet dreams sucks. They rock. Yeah. It's VR. Better than VR. It is, dude. I love that. He's like, this is sick.
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Yeah, we snuffed that out. We snuffed that out. They were not like the Packers. They were like, oh, yeah, they can't blame one of the Packers owners.
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PFTG, you kind of wish that the commanders had not voted to ban it because the Bears voted to ban it. I kind of wish they hadn't.
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Yeah, there was a little bit of that tonight, for sure.
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What did he say? He said that the tush push has never led to an explosive play. I like explosive plays. First downs are explosive plays. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I looked at it really quickly because I was like, well, let's see. I think in this room were the two teams that voted to ban it. Well, Kraft changed his mind.
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No, Vrabel's a football guy. Also, there's a chance that when Jeffrey Lurie started talking about coming, Kraft was like, yeah, I'm in.
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Wet dreams. What, dreams? Say less. You're speaking my language. Say less, amigo. Yeah, no. Listen, Max, if I could have had the vote for the Bears, I would have voted for it to not be banned. I've been consistent. I don't think it should be banned. People should just get a push-push.
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Yeah, no, he's awesome. He had 38 points. He was dominant in, I mean, the first half, he missed like two or three shots. He's really goddamn good. And I wonder, the question that I have for you guys, is Paul George an all-time Oklahoma City Thunder player? Because, of course, Paul George got them SGA and 1,000 picks. I would say yes. Which I...
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The Pacers and Knicks played one of the most exciting playoff games maybe ever. We'll talk to memes about that. RIP Jim Irsay. We're going to talk about that. The Tush Push doesn't get banned. And then we are going to finish up with Firefest with our good friend Oldie who is back in the booth smelling bad. So great Friday show going for you to get into the long weekend.
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Yeah. This one was wrong. This one was wrong. The good news for all of this, I cannot wait till we get to do this all again next year. It's going to be great. Mm-hmm. We're going to do the whole discussion.
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Because it's coming. We're going to do it again.
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Yeah. Who's the owner? Sheila Ford, I think, I believe now. Probably was like, hey, how we want to vote on this, Dan? And he's just like, we're not pussies. Yeah. We're not fucking pussies. That probably happened. He probably said it like, he's like, Ms. Ford, respectfully, we're not fucking pussies.
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I don't know. Maybe he hasn't.
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Yeah, I know. It was so long ago, I forgot. Yeah, we totally missed it. I was like, what? Okay. Yeah, I mean, we should have brought it up at the time. You know what it was? I think it happened on a Friday night. Actually, I know it did. It happened on a Friday at 4.04 p.m. That's not on us. Definitively not on us.
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Yep. Look at that. Friday. We got the Friday news dump. And it also was that Monday was that guy. What guy?
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This is a meme. You could do this one where it's just Pacer's logo on that guy's head in Walmart. You're not that guy, pal. Pacers. I mean, the Pacers. That's the Pacers thing.
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I was about to say Lester. Okay. Talk a little puck. That was brutal for the Oilers. They gave up five goals in the third. It felt like the Stars just hung around, hung around, get power plays, then just bury them.
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I will say in defense of Clippers fans, they probably don't need defense. A lot of people are doing the like, can you believe this trade? SGA was not. No one thought he was going to be an MVP when they got traded for. And Paul George was very, very good at the time. Right. Still a crazy trade looking back at it. But yeah, Paul George got them SGA and a lot of picks.
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I also got from that take respect to the Stars fans and crowd. That crowd was awesome. They were standing so much during that game, and it just looked like an awesome, awesome time. So I think that Oilers got to win game two. They got to win game two. It's a must win. And then the Panthers are going to win the cup. I put the Panthers in the Thunder category.
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Good job, Leafs. You were very close. Until the finals. Maybe not. Maybe they're just that good.
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And Bob is locked in. locked it i just love goalie bob that's your goalie bob bob bob uh do we have anything else before we get to our great interview with duane wade oh college football playoff changes their seating uh i think we expected that right expected that makes sense it was it's funny because i think that that wouldn't have happened if it weren't for boise
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Yeah, Boise kind of just did that on their own right away. So because Boise, you know, the fact that there weren't four higher ranked power five programs last year and then Boise was like, oh, I guess we get to buy and we're just like. This can't happen. Yep. They just, like, it was going to happen eventually. Boise just expedited the process of being like, hey, we're going to buy.
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Yeah, right.
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I actually... Is this going to sound crazy? A buy is always more important. But... And Arizona State was the other team. A bye is always more important, but losing a home playoff game, those did rock, and he's probably a pretty big moneymaker.
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Yeah, right. They should just do the second round at home as well. That would be awesome. That would be so sick.
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Yeah, they do. I know they do.
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I think that was pretty much everything.
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Have to respect the troops.
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Have to do it. We are going to be working on Monday. Yeah, we'll be here Monday night recording a show. Yeah. Recapping everything. Oh, I had one other thing. It was a shout out to SMU. They posted. I don't know if you guys saw this. They posted a bragging tweet about their team GPA being the highest ever been. Hell yeah. What do you guys think it was? This is a tweet.
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And now the Thunder look like the far and away best team in the NBA. They suffocate you on defense. Anthony Edwards had a pretty nice night and it still didn't matter. They're just that much better. And they, I don't know what to say. Like they're just so much better than everyone.
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Okay. That's what I got in college. Yeah. But I feel like you can't brag if you're not over 3.
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Yeah.
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They killed our team because we were so dumb. They were in the playoff last year, remember, for like Three minutes? I don't even know. That game was over. So remember the SMU flight?
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No, no, it was Penn State. Remember there was the famous viral flight where they got delayed, like big-time SMU donors, and they didn't get there until halftime? It's like, why would you even just turn the fucking plate around? What are you looking at, memes?
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College, it's not like a test of intelligence. It's just whether you went to the class or not. Yeah, that's true.
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respect yeah hank out of two three in high school fuck you nice good work get into smu i feel like smu is a pretty hard school to get into well yeah if you're it's less about your test scores and more about your credit scores ah yeah one of those uh-huh one of those uh okay let's get to our interview with duane wade and then uh fire fest we have our guy oldie back in studio
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In studio, it is Basketball Hall of Famer, three-time NBA champion, Dwayne Wade. In studio, I think you might be one of the most accomplished people that's ever sat on that couch. So I just want to say that to start. Thank you for coming in. We also have the Larry O'Brien trophy sitting in between us. When you see this trophy, do you feel like maybe you got another year left?
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Like, hey, I want another one of those. Maybe join a playoff team late.
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It's crazy. And all they do is turn you over. This was another game where I think the Timberwolves had 14 turnovers. The Thunder had six. Got to win the turnover battle. Got to do it. And it doesn't matter because they're just that good. And, yeah, I don't really – you can't even – We can't even be like, hey, t-shirt guy, put your t-shirt on.
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Wait, do you have a favorite kid? A trophy I'm talking about? Yeah, I do. Which one? My first born, 2006.
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The refs really got involved in that series. I mean, that's what they're supposed to do.
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You need another one.
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Was that the year that Shaq gave you the nickname Flash?
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They just keep winning when he doesn't have his t-shirt on.
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So when he gave that to you, though, were you like, hey, wait a second, you're Superman? Can I be Superman?
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Okay.
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I know he is. But there's always the debate, who's taking last shot? Who's Batman? Who's Robin? You're like, I'll be Flash. I'm fine with that.
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Not at all? No. Well, I mean, yeah, you're taking the last shot. Yeah. You didn't have that problem. Other people might have had that problem.
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Yes, Thundor is awesome, but also Brick Guy is awesome.
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Yeah, you're too chiseled. All right, so the story you told maybe a couple months ago, which we laughed about, we thought it was incredible, LeBron and the cookies. So do you really think that it was the cookies that was the...
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That's what we took from it.
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You can't steal another man's cookies. And for the record, we're on LeBron's side. Oh, yeah.
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Okay, so the story goes LeBron brings cookies with him every single time he gets on the plane.
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Okay, so he's double cooking.
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Right. And was it confirmed it was Pat Riley that took the cookies?
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The cookies don't get touched if Pat Riley doesn't say anything.
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We got to get him on. Big boy.
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Yeah. Was there a moment though after that where you're like, all right, I think he's definitely leaving? Like, could you feel it?
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Yeah. So on the other side, the, the team up, how, when did you know that was going to happen? Because there were certain teams I, you know, I'm Bulls fan. I was like, Oh, I think they might come to the Bulls. I think the Knicks felt the same way. Was it always the heat? Was it, you were just leading everyone else on?
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But before free agency, there was at least a little wink and a nod like, hey, it'd be cool to play together. Was there a third option if Chris Bosh didn't come to Miami that you guys had talked to or explored?
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I would have loved to hear Boozer's pitch. Was he like, it's OK, I got this. Don't worry, I'm not going to take any shots.
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Well, no, he insisted that he was invited. We were telling him when he came on the show, we're like, dude, you didn't get invited. He's like, I was invited. I just didn't really want to do it.
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I'd be so mad if we never got documentation.
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Yeah, so would he have been invited? Would he have been invited? No, he was on his way.
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Seems like a little mean girl thing, not letting Carmelo on the banana boat. You guys didn't wait for him? I would have waited for my guy.
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the edge wait so if you could if you could go back and delete sorry cpu if you could delete one thing from the internet would it be the banana boat or would it be the introductory press conference for the heat where the not one but two but three before you guys i don't care about that well it was kind of funny yeah but it's just jokes yeah well no you guys are serious no i know you guys
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What point were you like, oh, shit, this is too many?
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It was a packed audience.
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Oh, yeah, we all, I mean, everyone made fun of him. Yeah, but it's cool.
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Because if he had said instead, like, hey, we might win a championship, then you win two, everyone's like, holy shit, they did even better. But when you say you're going to win seven, and then you only win two.
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No, but he did say he was like, the pressure of, like, he's like, I was a really good player, and then I come to the Heat, and it's like, I have six shots a game, and I have to make...
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three or four of them like that kind of pressure did you feel that for your the role players where it's like hey these guys even though they don't aren't asked to do as much what they're asked to do they have to be perfect when they're asked to do listen we don't you don't LeBron Dwayne and Chris Bosh don't get together in their prime to not have pressure
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And it, yeah, I don't even know. I mean, we'll see what happens when they, so we're, obviously it's Memorial Day weekend. So next we will talk to people. There'll be two more games that go on because we'll be back on. We're going to do Tuesday, Friday next week. Hopefully there's still a series.
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JJ Redick showed you go podcasting to being a coach. We could be coaches.
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Hang out.
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I'll go find my – yeah. And I'll just go be like an offensive analyst for one of my friends.
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You think so? If you care. When did you know – speaking of coaches, when did you know Spoh was special? Because I think that was an interesting dynamic of you guys having that team and like – Spolstra's a younger coach and there was definitely the murmur of like, is Pat Riley going to do it again?
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Yeah. But was there a moment where you're like, OK, I feel like he's got this. I know he's got this.
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They've got to win game three. It's a must win. I don't know how, but I don't see the Wolves getting swept. Yeah, I mean, you would hope that Nas Reid's got to hit a three eventually. I think he's 0 for 12 in the series. He's got to hit a three. And Julius Randle didn't play in the fourth quarter. He had a bad game, which that is...
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Because he has been incredible all playoffs, even last game when he started, I think he had 20 points in the first half. Him having only six points and not playing in the fourth quarter, I don't know if he was injured or anything, but that's bad. That's a bad sign.
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Yeah. Speaking of LeBron, let's just say sometimes he looks like he's injured. Maybe I'm not going to say flopping. Was there ever a time where you're like, Oh shit, he's actually injured. And then he pops up and he's fine.
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Okay. But there was never a time like, Oh no, this actually might be the end here. He might actually be hurt.
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Okay.
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But what about when you're in Cleveland? Uh,
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Okay. Not in Miami. That's a good answer.
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By the way, you still, even though you weren't prime D. Wade, you still are the best D. Wade in Cleveland Cavaliers history because I think I looked it up and Dean Wade had like five points per game. You averaged 11 points per game for the Cavs.
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A little flashback?
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Yeah, shout out Scott Foster. Playing banged up. Got hit in the nose. Did he have a tampon in his nose? Yeah, he did. He put a tampon in his nose. Love that. Yeah, it was a big one. Did you guys also see... In the second period, right? Yeah, it was the second period. Did you see that Perk was there? Perk's going through some stuff right now.
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It's multiple whatever.
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Never lost a final.
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And he was the best player on those teams. He's got six of them.
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I played the game of basketball because of Michael Jordan. What about how deep have you seen LeBron get into a book?
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How deep, though? Listen, I'm not even judging because I buy books and I read the first five pages and I just don't read anymore.
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The picture of Kendrick Perkins standing next to Stephen A. Smith that went viral. Parallax angle. That was tough. Also, Perk is doing some weird stuff where he... It's like Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook never got out of the second round until I showed up. Fact. And Kevin Durant quoted and said, you the real MVP. Yeah, I love that. And he also had...
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I got some dumb questions for you.
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That question that you just asked me wasn't dumb?
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I know you've spoken on it, but the fake quote in 2017 that you had, Dwayne Wade on Cavs early season struggles, it stinks, but at least I get to go home every night and have my wife eat my butt. Not true, right?
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That was a fake one.
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So fake, the quote's fake, but your wife does eat your butt. My wife don't eat my butt. That was just a podcaster trick right there. Get you in the corner.
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All right. So I have a private question that hopefully you can give us a little answer on. You went to the Met Gala. What the hell happens inside? Nothing. Nothing. Oh, see, he's not going to answer. You'll talk about eating butt, but you won't talk about the Met Gala. It's crazy what happens inside there.
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But what is that? Are you bidding on stuff? Is there live music? What is going on?
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Okay.
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And I read a story, you didn't try fish until you were 32 years old. Is that right?
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I think it was last week he said he would have locked down Jokic and then they just played footage of like baby Jokic just like fucking him up.
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You're having lunch fish now. A whole fish.
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Oh yeah, because you weren't a salad guy either.
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Was there a moment when you were like, oh, shit, I got a Father Time's coming?
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It's one of our favorite things to do, like a guy who looks like me be like, you know, Luka's kind of out of shape.
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But he did lose weight.
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Well, but when you lose, then it's about how you look. That's how the media works.
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It is messed up how we do it. It's like winner, winner, winner. And then the minute you lose, you're like fat. That's just how it goes.
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Really?
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I'd cross him off with an ice cream cone.
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We've talked about it when the whole debate happened, the NFL versus NBA. I'm like, I don't think people fully understand. We've been lucky enough to have some of the NBA combine guys come here and work out. If you watch a guy who's going to be in the NBA work out, they do not miss. They literally do not miss. And it's like you think that they're shooting 50% from the field in a game.
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When they're in practice, they are not missing.
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Why would you say that about Mario Chalmers?
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But what happened was he was at the game and they announced him.
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Okay, so who's your favorite teammate? You can't name, like, Bosh, LeBron, UD.
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All right, favorite teammate to play with, favorite teammate to hang out with in your entire career.
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Is that what you're telling me? No, no, you can't pick the usual suspects. Because what we're going to do is just a podcasting trick. I'm going to say favorite teammate to play with. And then you're going to say someone other than LeBron. Then we're going to put the clip out.
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Yeah. Well, he did get a standing ovation tonight.
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Okay.
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I don't know. I think he's suffering from the fact that all of the games and box scores that he played in are readily available. Yeah, that is true. You know what I mean? He would do a lot better... It's giving off big, like, oh, yeah, my summer camp girlfriend, she's actually from Canada.
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Well, at least in the 75.
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Can we talk about the statue?
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It's hard to do. I feel like the statues fail like the Ronaldo statue.
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Big Perk, yeah.
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Yeah, if he was a boxer from, like, 1915. Yeah. We would be, oh, my God, the best ever. But so, back to the standing ovation. You got a standing ovation. Now, I don't know what the timing was with this. But it was a little weird because they only showed one highlight, and it was just a repeat highlight of different angles of a single donkey hat. That's awesome. I don't know what happened there.
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What did he say when he saw you? That's such a funny thing for the guy to be like, wait, does Dwayne Wade just stand in a statue all day telling people to look at it closer?
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It's all love. So we mentioned offhand there, but 75, when they did the 75th anniversary and the top 75 players of all time, you were named on that list. Incredible accomplishment.
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How did it feel to be named on that list? And then when you get everyone together, what was that room like? And was MJ talking shit?
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But here, I'll send it to you, Max.
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Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah, Perk, he's going through it right now. But the Thunder, they're better than everyone. I don't really know what to say.
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Incredible. Yeah. All right, so you are going to be on Prime Video. So Amazon Prime, you're doing the NBA show next year. Give us some analyst talk. Who's going to win the title?
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We can't.
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Yeah, give it to us.
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Yeah, really explain it to us like we're five years old. Who's going to win the finals? I don't know.
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Oh, that's a bad start.
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And what's crazy about the Thunder, and I know that this is getting ahead of ourselves because they haven't won the title. Here's the highlight if you guys want to see it. It's pretty sick. This is Kendrick Perkins and his career at OKC, and that's a dunk. Yeah, hell yeah it is. And then there's the same dunk from a different angle. Uh-huh. That was a good dunk. That was a great dunk.
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Was that your favorite? Because we always talk about this, like best sports sounds. And one of the best sports sounds is when a road player, like you can feel them take the soul of the fans. You know what I mean? Where that like hitting a big shot on the road and that like scream gasp is so it's something about it.
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The whole stadium knows like this guy just beat us.
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I don't want to get ahead of ourselves. There's still some basketball we played. Anything could happen. The craziest thing about the Thunder is they're so young, and they have so many draft picks. Like I was saying the other night, Chet Holmgren is just going to get better. He's already very good. He was good again tonight, and he's going to keep getting better.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's got the best pump fake all time?
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Sam Young is actually the answer. Do you remember his pump fake? Pittsburgh. Do you remember him? Do you know who I'm talking about?
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What makes you say him? Because he got the most free throws of us? No, he just... It looked the best? He would go all the way up on his tippy toes. He'd have guys running through the crowd.
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Yeah, I'll show you some highlights of him. You'll see.
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Yours was very nice, but Sam Young, he had people jumping past him. He would go all the way up on his tippy toes.
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You're a recurring guest now, so when we ask you to come on, you have to come on, just so you know.
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That you signed something when you walked in the door. I don't know if you read it, but it's basically whenever we want you on, you have to come on our show. Sound like my wife. Yeah. Well, I'm not going to eat your butt. No, my last question is, we were talking about it before we started taping. We have a mutual friend, Tom Crean.
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Obviously, you're closer to him than we are, but we're fairly close with him. We've had him on many times. Really love him. Was there a moment when Tom Crean at Marquette uh, like instilled, you talked about the shack confidence. Like was, did Tom Crean have a moment where he was like, Hey, you're going to be special. And like this, you have an opportunity now.
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I like that. I like that. Yeah. You could make that case. If the Thunder can win with this roster. Yeah.
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Do you remember that moment or that like sequence where he kind of gave you that confidence of like, Oh, this is different. It's not just college basketball. It's going to be something more.
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Yeah. It's a good case to make. Should we start that discussion? Yeah. Will this be the worst Thunder championship in their dynasty era? No, this is an off year for the Thunder. Thunder fans are going to be so mad about this.
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Yeah.
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We're going to look back and be like, dude, they fucking, they won with this team?
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Great guy. Well, Dwayne, thank you so much for stopping by. This has been awesome. We also will promise I had someone looking up like doing a prep sheet for me. And I guess our social team has spelled your name wrong every single time they've posted anything on our Twitter. So we're going to make sure we get it right this time.
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Every single time. Every single time.
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I don't know.
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Yeah. I mean, I've screwed it up too. Memes, you We got this.
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Right. So you want to make sure that the SEO. We got them both. So we're actually helping you. We're doing the work. I got two brands. Yeah. Just don't call you Dean Wade. Yeah. No.
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All right. Well, thanks so much. We really appreciate it, man.
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Yeah.
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I like this one. Oh, Max, you got 20 men's summer jerseys. Truly hooked us all up with custom jerseys. We'll be rocking them all summer and we'll be drinking truly all summer. All right, Firefest. We got our guy Oldie in the booth. So Oldie's here. We got something that we taped this week that's going to be out in a couple weeks. Oldie, you smell so bad. I almost threw up smelling your armpit.
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Max, take a whiff of it. Take a whiff of it for the people on YouTube. Oldie, also slide this way.
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He's been walking around and putting his arm over his head and then blowing the scent at people.
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Max, give it one big whiff. Just one big whiff. Stay strong. Come on, you got this, Max.
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Yeah, Hank has to do it after. You know what?
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All right, give him a good whiff. Give him a good whiff. Hank, you have to do a good whiff. You got to really take it in. Hit him. Yeah, hit him. Hit him with it. Hold on. Okay. You ready? Yeah. Smell it. Get yourself in there.
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I got to try. This is some good podcasting. Oh, my God. Everyone, go watch the YouTube. Subscribe to the YouTube.
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I have tears in my eyes. Three, two, one. It's so bad, dude. I'll take another hit. I'll take one more.
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All right, get back in the booth. That was awesome. I can't believe it.
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How does that smell happen?
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How does that happen in real life?
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It's B.O. Plus.
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Max.
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Yeah.
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How do you use it? Your puke breath is kind of cute. My puke voice? Yeah, it's kind of cute.
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You're just throwing up back here.
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Yeah. I agree with that, and they're a really good team. You can't take anything like what they've done in the playoffs so far. Because I know, obviously, they went to seven with the Nuggets. That's credit to the Nuggets. But even in that series, they had a couple blowouts. It just feels like when they beat these teams, they're just killing them. Yeah. Killing them.
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Yeah, he actually blames part of the smell on the hot yoga.
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And you think it's the hot yoga has unearthed something in you?
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Where would you find a science building? Dove's probably got something.
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This game was a close game again. And then it was just, oh, the Thunder are going to do their thing. Like, they're... Their defense is just so good, and their offense can go through a little bit of lulls every now and then, but it doesn't matter because their defense is that good.
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Yeah, but we should get you, like, Dove doing an ad where they're like, we have got the smelliest guy in the world, and we made him smell fresh.
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you get prescription deodorant back right max max you said no hamas oh max what are you doing i i needed a face covering you guys got like one whiff of it we're just living in it back here okay pft so your your fire fest is you are done with ai and then i made it worse
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Oh, I'm sorry. It's all right. I apologize. You know you can mute the conversation. I did. Oh, yeah, that's the best feature on Twitter.
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I mute conversations. I'll mute a conversation the second I throw out a take. I'll just be like, here's a take. Mute.
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Dude, Caleb Williams wore a different style of shorts today, and I just all of a sudden have all these mentions from ML football, and I was like, Oh, no. Did something big happen? So I unmuted.
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Did you see the video, Oldie? Max, show them the video.
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It could be. Are we going to have to make a Sam Presti rule? He's built such a great team. Sam Presti, the asset king. Yeah. He's just swimming in assets. Eating assets. Should we talk about the other game? I think we should. Which one? Quick break for game time. Okay, before we talk Knicks Pacers, game time. Football is back. The 2025 NFL schedule is out.
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Oh, no.
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
You could tell the stream. When I was watching your videos.
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Oh, no.
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I know you can. Yeah.
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Yeah, you could. You can help him out. Put the Lisa in the cup. He should have to do that.
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All right, my Fyre Fest. I talked about it last week, and you should watch the Viva TV that is out now. Dwayne Wade behind the scenes. Also my cream team, which I, uh, is, is Jacob and Zach in the office who I hired to be my cream team. Ben Mintz. Uh, Ben Mintz is a, is a, uh, advisor. He's an advisor to the cream team. He's not officially, he's the advisor on free stuff. Got it.
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He was tasked with doing what he does best. Yeah. Yeah. Letting someone DM him and then him being like, yeah, I can get you a meeting with Dave Portnoy. Just give me like a free. He's very good.
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Very good. Uh, I've made the purchase. Oh. And it's coming tomorrow. Whoa. So it's not going to be fully operational tomorrow because we need to get the actual manufacturer out to put it all back to get, like, there's a couple pieces that need to be put back in. But the soft serve ice cream machine will be in the office tomorrow.
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And it's probably going to be an expensive mistake, but I don't care because we got it. Well, it's never going to make any money. Well, no, it pays for itself if it works. And, like, not actually.
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Ice cream.
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But we might not have.
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
It's probably going to break down, but it's going to pay for itself.
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I mean, my cream team is not the smartest guys. How do you clean that thing? It's probably going to need your power washer. That's what I was thinking. No, there's a whole thing. We also struck a deal with the people we're buying it from who have a whole warehouse of different parts and all this stuff.
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
They're going to do a deep clean once a week because I also learned about Listeria this week, which we don't want that. You can die from it, yeah. So the only thing standing between us and Listeria is the cream team.
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All right, good. That makes me feel better. We sure do. Once a week. What do you mean? I found out that's a thing you have to do. Oh, no, you run it. Are you talking about running it? Not like taking it out?
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
It's like a time capsule.
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
But either way, we got ice cream on the way. I'm saying we're going to have soft serve ice cream in this office within the next 10 days. And boys, I've done the math. The only thing that we have to and I talked to Max about this. The only issue is it's a big industrial machine, so everyone's going to have to pull their part. I'm going to have to do ice cream checks.
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
Have you had your ice cream today? If you haven't, got to go. Hank? Hank's banned. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, I unbanned him.
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
Okay, that's fine.
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
You're going to have to eat about seven cones a week. That's easy. Me? I'm going to be around the 12 to 14.
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
So let's hope it works because the only fear I have about the ice cream machine is once we introduce ice cream into the office, you can't then take it away. If you take it away, we'll die. Yeah. Like if you just have everyday soft serve ice cream and they're like, oh, today you don't have it anymore. That's that.
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
Yeah, I found this out from my cream team. So they had a bad deal with a manufacturer that the deal was only they could fix, like the McDonald's staff couldn't fix their machines. Right, right. So they had to call in someone.
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
But the update is the cream team told me that deal actually ended about six months ago.
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
So they're back. So they no longer have to go through that.
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
Big time cream team update.
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
Very excited.
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
I love ice cream in the winter. Yeah, especially because you get to wear a sweatshirt. Yeah. So you don't have to feel fat after. Old, do you want to wrap us up? You got a Fyre Fest?
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
Do you think there's ever been someone on their deathbed who has said to themselves, man, I wish I hadn't eaten all that ice cream? Actually, I may be like someone who like dies of heart failure. All right. But do you think that's a bad question?
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
Yeah. Right. But do you think has anyone ever been like, oh, I you know what I need to do is eat less ice cream.
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
Okay, these are bad questions. Help me out, PFT. Well, no, it was a bad answer.
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
All right, here's a question. Easy question. Ice cream, first word that comes to your mind.
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
No. That's two words. I was hoping you were going to say like good, awesome, love it.
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
Ice cream, good, right? Yeah. Do you want more good things or less good things?
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There it is. No, I know.
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Dwyane Wade In Studio, Pacers Insane Comeback At MSG, The Thunder Are A Wagon, Remembering Jim Irsay + Fyre Fest With Oldie
We could absolutely do that. Some cherry salsa. Oldie, you got a Firefest?
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And he was an oldie fan.
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Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
Der andere Kugel schießt den Offizier in den Körper und der Offizier geht runter. Aber glücklicherweise überlebt er, weil er einen kugelhaften Stift trägt. Aber gleich dann zieht sich noch ein Polizist in sein Auto. Und so blam, schießt Germaine an ihn. Und der Kugel geht durch den Windschutz und gräbt den Schulter seiner Uniform. Aber glücklicherweise schießt es ihn nicht.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
Und natürlich weiß Jermaine, dass er jetzt Probleme hat. Und so, boom, fängt er an zu rennen. Und er rennt zu einem nahen Apartment-Komplex. Und da, glaube ich, findet er ein randomes Apartment. Und kapow, er fordert seinen Weg rein. Und da, da sind zwei Tenanten, die einfach chillen. Und sie sind so, oh Scheiße, wer ist dieser Kerl?
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
Und Jermaine zeigt die Piu-Piu an und er sagt... Eigentlich weiß ich nicht, was er sagt. Ich konnte keine Informationen finden, was er genau sagt. Aber er weiß, dass die Polizisten nach ihm sind. Also nimmt er diese zwei Männer hostage. Und er barricadet die vordere Tür mit einer Menge Furniture, damit niemand rein kann. And pretty quickly, police figure out where he is.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
And they send in a SWAT team. And so now they've got the place surrounded. And it's a whole scene. And police, they go around beating on every door, telling everyone to get out. Because they've got to evacuate the whole building until they can apprehend this crazy man. So about an hour goes by and Jermaine is still in the apartment. He's still holding these guys hostage.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
And at some point, I guess he gets thirsty and he leaves the hostages to go in the other room and get a glass of water. And I guess the two men, they see this as their opportunity and boom, they raise up a nearby window and they each jump out of it and they run to safety.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
Now, since the hostages are now clear, police really want to go busting into this apartment so that they can grab Jermaine and arrest him. But not only is the door still barricaded, but Jermaine is in there firing shots off. So to avoid any casualties, police are holding back, thinking that they can talk him into surrendering. They got a police negotiator there and everything.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
But despite that, it's just not working. Jermaine is just not listening. Nun, hier ist es, wo es wirklich seltsam wird. Irgendwann während dieses Stand-Offs bekommt Germain eine Telefonnummer im Wohnzimmer und er ruft mehrere News-Stationen in diesem Bereich. Ich weiß nicht, warum er sie spezifisch ruft oder was sein Ziel ist, aber er ruft sie.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
Und er informiert sie, dass er einen berühmten Bruder hat, mit dem er sprechen möchte. Dieser Bruder? Der DOGG Snoop Doggy Dogg. Offenbar ist Germains Schwester tatsächlich mit Snoop verheiratet. Also will Jermaine mit ihm sprechen. Ich glaube, er denkt, Snoop kann ihm daraus helfen. Also kontaktieren die neuen Stationen die Vegas Polizei.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
Die Vegas Polizei trifft die Los Angeles Polizei auf, um sie zu helfen, da Snoop in Los Angeles lebt. Und dann kommen die Los Angeles Polizei zu Snoop Doggs Haus. Wie in der Mitte der Nacht. Und ich schätze, dass sie auf seine Tür schießen. Und Bro ist wahrscheinlich drinnen, chillen, ein bisschen Zaza trinken. Und er antwortet die Tür, er ist wahrscheinlich alle müde.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
Snoop Dogg war in einer Hostage-Situation involviert und es verbirgt sich irgendwie mit der Song, ist es Peanut Butter Jelly-Zeit?
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
Und die Polizei sagt, äh, Mr. Dog, dein Bruder-in-Law hat einen Polizisten getötet, in ein randomes Wohnzimmer getötet und hat einige Anwälte getötet. Und er will spezifisch mit dir sprechen. Und ich glaube, Snoop hört all das und er ist so... Faux-Shizzle. Und so hat die Polizei Snoop in Kontakt mit dem Polizei-Negotiator in Vegas.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
Der Polizei-Negotiator ist so wie, Mr. Dog, könntest du mit Jermaine sprechen und ihn vielleicht ermutigen, sich aufzuhalten? Und so entscheidet Snoop, eine Botschaft für ihn zu schicken. Nun, das ist 2002, also sind es nicht überall Kamera-Kameras. Also macht Snoop ein Audio-Rekord. Und in diesem Recording sagt er Jermaine, um sich zu kooperieren und sich aufzunehmen.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
Und seine exakten Worte sind, mach, was sie sagen. Wir haben Lehrer, um das zu tun. Wir werden es tun. Und dann senden sie das Tape an die Polizei in Vegas. Und irgendwie, glaube ich, spielen die Vegas-Polizei es, damit Jermaine es hören kann. Aber Jermaine respondiert nicht. And now at this point, hours have gone by. It's 10 a.m. So this standoff has been going on for around 11 hours.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
And Jermaine is still in there. So finally, police are like, f*** this, we gotta go in. And so they gather the SWAT team and boom, they bust into that apartment and they swarm the place. But now Jermaine is hiding in the bathroom and he's barricaded himself in there somehow. And police, they can't see him in there, but they can hear shots going off of Blam, blam, blam, blam.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
Und es beginnt alles mit diesem Mann, Jermaine. Jermaine ist 29 Jahre alt, lebt in Las Vegas und wir wissen nicht viel über ihn, außer was ihm an dieser Nacht passiert. Also an dieser Nacht im Jahr 2002, für irgendeinen Grund geht er absolut verrückt. Weil er in der Stadt was macht, und er konfrontiert diesen randomen Anwalt für irgendeinen Grund. Und Jermaine ist alle verdammt.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
Und irgendwie findet das SWAT-Team eine Öffnung in der Wälder. Vielleicht durch ein Fenster, ich weiß es nicht. Aber sie finden eine Öffnung und sie fangen an, Tiergas und Konkussionsgrenaden in dort zu werfen. Okay, also ich werde die Geschichte für einen Moment pausen, weil das ist, wo die Peanut Butter und Jelly-Song kommt.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
Und so kommt die Song, Peanut Butter and Jelly, Peanut Butter, Jelly Time, das ist es. You know it, it's a viral song. It was a meme song before meme songs were even a thing. This song is a huge hit during this time. It's been used in commercials. They even made fun of it on Family Guy.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
Well, right after this song dropped and started blowing up on the internet, some internet lore started to emerge, because the internet is just a weird place full of misinformation and bullshit. But the lore says that the guy who sang the song, the guy who sang the vocals that you hear on the Peanut Butter and Jelly Time song, is Snoop Dogg's brother-in-law.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
und dass er eine Nacht lang verrückt war, die Polizei erschossen hat, sich in ein Wohnzimmer gebrochen hat und ein paar Jungs verhaftet hat und dann Snoop Dogg selbst genannt hat, um ihm helfen zu können. Und bis heute kann man diese Geschichte auf Blogs und lokalen News-Websiten finden. Und an diesem Punkt, das ist wie Internet-Lore-Canon. Aber hier ist die Sache. Es ist überhaupt nicht wahr.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
Ja, Snoop Doggs Bruder-in-Law Jermaine hat eine Nacht lang verrückt und eine Husten-Situation geschaffen und Snoop geholfen hat. All das ist wahr. Aber was nicht wahr ist, ist, dass Jermaine den Peanut Butter & Jelly Song nicht gesungen hat. Er war nicht mit dem Song oder der Gruppe, die es gemacht hat, involviert. In Wahrheit, soweit ich weiß, ist Jermaine überhaupt nicht mit Musik verbunden.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
Ich weiß nicht, wie dieser Witz begonnen wurde, aber es gibt keine Wahrheit dazu. Anyway, back to the real Jermaine. So I guess at this point in the story, Jermaine is still barricaded in the bathroom, which is now slowly filling up with tear gas. And I guess he finally realizes that Snoop can't really do much for him and that there's no way he's getting out of this.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
And that is when he turns the pew-pew on himself and blam, he unalives himself. That is wild.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
Und plötzlich zieht er ein Piu-Piu raus. Und blam, er schießt es. Und der Anwalt ist natürlich erschrocken. Und er fliegt weg. Momente später sieht er einen Polizisten, und er schlägt ihn runter. Und er ist so, dieser verrückte Kerl ist auf der Straße, und er schießt ein Piu-Piu. So the officer gets in his car and he goes looking for Jermaine. And after a bit, he spots him near a bus stop.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The Snoop Dogg / Peanut Butter Jelly Time Hostage Situation
So he gets out and he approaches him and he knows he's armed. And so he's like, you're being detained. And the officer grabs him and they get into some kind of fight and they struggle. Und dann, boom, zieht Germaine den Piu-Piu raus und blam, blam, er schießt ihn. Und ein Kugel fliegt durch die Luft und es gräbt den Offiziers Kopf.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I didn't even know that Victoria was lit on fire in the apartment. He claims all he knew was he went to sleep, woke up, and Jessica, his cousin, is freaking attacking him. He said this was a completely normal night. They came home. They made tacos for dinner. Well, Michelle made tacos. Everybody else ate the tacos, minus Victoria. They thought she was sleeping. That's what he claims.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And then eventually, Michelle and Fabian, the couple, they go into the bedroom and they fall asleep. Around 140 a.m., they wake up to a pair of eyeballs staring at them, just staring into the depths of their soul. Do you believe in Jesus? He's like, Jessica, what are you doing? Why are you talking about Jesus at 140 in the morning? You don't even go to church. You just got out of prison.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Jessica's standing, I have your phones, by the way. She's holding her hands behind her back, but it looks like she's got more than just their phones. I said, do you believe in Jesus? Michelle wakes up and she says, yeah, I do, which I don't know why you're responding.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Some people say those two things are almost similar. They work in different ways for different purposes, obviously. But hypnotism, being open to suggestion, and false confessions leading someone to believe that something has happened that has not happened are kind of in the same vein. confess to something that you've never done? A false confession?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Jessica smiles and says, okay, then you first, bitch, and slams a metal iron over her head, then goes to Fabian and starts slamming the metal pipe, if you will, down on his head. And Fabian's like, I don't know. I just ran out of the apartment because my cousin is trying to murder me. And then you guys showed up. Then you're telling me that Victoria's dead, dismembered in the apartment.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I didn't know that.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And they see Michelle and Fabian just wounded everywhere. Oh, because they just got attacked by... Yeah, and then they're like, hey, my daughter's still in the unit. Michelle is like, my daughter's still in the unit, can you go get my daughter?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
They run up to the unit, Jessica slams the door, she breaks her ankle, they go in, they search the entire place for the 10-year-old, and she was found in the bathtub.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Fabian went to a neighbor who called the police. Michelle also escaped and went to a different neighbor to call the police.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Fabian denies knowing anything that has been happening to Victoria. He said he came home and Jessica was like, Victoria went to sleep because she had a rough day and I was babysitting all day. And he also says, by the way, I would never do anything to Victoria. He says, I love her and she loves me. Now, to be clear, Victoria knew Fabian for approximately 24 minutes. I mean, maybe a few months.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
That's being a little dramatic. And most of the time that she knew him, he was likely high out of his mind on meth. I think even saying... that she liked him would be a tad bit too generous. But to say that she loved him, I mean, it's kind of unclear what deluded planet Fabian lives on. Maybe the same one as Stefan Stearns from the Maddie Soto case.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
But Fabian continues, because how do you know Victoria loved you after living with her mother for, I don't know, two business days? He says, she loved me, you know? She would always, you know what I mean? She would always be like, hey, Fabian. And we'd always smile. But to make matters more alarming, he continues, that's how I am with kids, you know? Victoria's real active.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She's real cool, you know what I mean? She's all grown up, you know, for her age, you know? No, we don't know. And that's very alarming. She's 10. How can she be all grown up? We don't know. But he further continues that he absolutely was not involved. He says again, she loved me. I loved her. I showed up at the apartment after running errands with Michelle. We ate tacos.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I went to sleep and then I got attacked. That's pretty much it. Eventually, the police cracked down and they said they're... There's no way that's what happened because you at least you're telling me someone right there. And this is not like the most soundproof apartment building. You're hearing things. You can hear your neighbor from the next unit over.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Somebody is severing the limbs off of another person and you don't hear anything. You don't hear a ruckus, nothing. Someone's going around getting a ladder, standing up on chairs, taking off the smoke detectors. You don't hear a beep, a single sound. He says, you know what? I did see some dismembering. He says, I seen Jessica cut her up. But Jessica was threatening me.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Now he's saying, I don't know how Victoria died. I just saw my cousin dismembering her. He says, she just kept threatening me that I'm going to get killed, just like she's going to kill Michelle. So I seen Jessica do it, okay? I was scared for retaliation, okay? She just got out of prison. I didn't want her to come for me and threaten my family. But I did not help her dismember the body. I did not.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Usually these people have poor memory, high levels of anxiety, low self-esteem, low assertiveness, conflict avoidance, and the eagerness to please people. People with these traits combined They are more easily influenced by authority figures. They're more vulnerable to interrogation pressure. Now you add in the situational factors. They've been left in this interrogation room for many two hours.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I just saw her stabbing at her, cutting her like...
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
weird like crazy she was like going crazy like jesus told me to do this like saying weird things like that me and michelle were stopping jessica no no no stop but we didn't stop it because we were scared the authorities say i mean it needs to be explained because she couldn't be doing all of that by herself she the strength that he says no no no she was doing all that fucking shit by herself her strength he said that he came home and he saw his cousin you know dismembering
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
yes the daughter and and then they went to sleep yes yeah okay yeah yeah that makes so much sense yeah exactly and he says no no her strength is real crazy okay but that still doesn't make sense why would jessica even attack you that night then none of this is making any sense authorities go back to jessica and they say so why did you attack your cousin and michelle
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And she says, well, they were all going to blame it on me. I knew they were plotting it. See, this man came in, this well-dressed man came in, essayed and killed Victoria and then left and then was like, I'm going to kill you if you do anything. I'm going to kill you. So you got to dispose of Victoria's body. And then, you know, Michelle and Fabian come home.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I tell them what happened and they say, OK, well, we just have to dispose of her body. But I felt like they were going to pin it on me. So I just had to get rid of them, too. So I was going to try to kill them.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
So she attacks them in the middle of the night and then the police are called. These are Jessica and Fabian's stories. For Michelle, the police have a little bit more hope because this is still her daughter at the end of the day. So if anybody has any incentive to come clean just to get some sort of justice and let Victoria rest in peace, it might be Michelle.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
In front of Michelle, there's a female officer wearing a plaid shirt sitting across from her. Another male officer is sitting a little bit off in the corner. He looks distant, but he's fully engaged. The officer in front of Michelle, she reaches her hand out and they're holding it across the table. Her voice is kind of nurturing.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
michelle what did you guys decide to do with your daughter with victoria your baby girl this is your 10 year old daughter victoria what did you guys decide to do they put her in the bathtub okay what happened then you were there you saw and you watched is that right yeah they said if i said anything they kept threatening me that if i said anything that i'll be the next one jessica stabbed her in the stomach
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Michelle starts crying. She explains that she doesn't really know what was going on. All she knew was that when she got home, she thought Victoria had gone into her room to sleep. She ate dinner with her boyfriend, Fabian, and Fabian's cousin, Jessica, who she barely knows, who just was staying with her.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And afterwards, she was heading to bed when she sees Jessica stabbing Michelle's little daughter, Victoria. Michelle is like, I saw Jessica stabbing my kid in the stomach. Then Jessica holds down Victoria's arms and Fabian walks over with a knife and starts cutting off Victoria's arms. By this point, Victoria is already deceased. You're saying Jessica was stabbing her in the stomach? Why?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I don't know. It's just like they were taking turns. So you guys, or you watch, but Jessica and Fabian cut your daughter up. Victoria, they cut her arms off. They cut her leg off. They cut her from her collarbone to her belly button, just down the middle. Victoria, your daughter, they cut her from here to here and you just watch, right?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And when you saw this, you didn't call the cops because you were afraid because you had drugs in the house. That and that they were going to kill me right there on the spot. And what did Jessica tell you about how Victoria died? She told me she didn't know how she died. Michelle goes through multiple variations of events that night.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Too many two hours. Sleep deprivation, fatigue, drug, alcohol withdrawal, extreme stress. They could easily give a false confession. They could be nudged, pushed, led. It's a very real thing that will mess up so many trials because someone is victimized. Obviously, they need to get justice.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
At first, she says she has no clue how Victoria, her 10 year old daughter, ends up dead. She states that when she got home, she saw Victoria alive and well and thought she went to her room to sleep. Then she changes the story and says, I actually never saw her alive and well. I thought she was just asleep in her room.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Then she states that Victoria took meth that was left out on the coffee table and then died of an overdose and then they were all freaking out. So she changes it multiple times. Her first few variations of the story include Victoria dying and being dismembered by Jessica and Fabian.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
she doesn't do anything because she's terrified to call the police they're threatening her she can't do anything she just goes to sleep until she wakes up with jessica in her face asking her if she believes in god and then slamming a tire iron between her eyes that's what she says but what's unsettling is that in these variations she says that after she watches these two her boyfriend fabian and fabian's cousin jessica dismember little victoria
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
The police ask her, what did you do right after you saw that? I went to the kitchen and I was getting ready to make dinner. So I made the tacos. And then Fabian took over after he was finished with Victoria. The police have to get this straight. After you guys cut the arms off of Victoria, cut her leg off and wrapped her in a blanket and put her in the bathtub, right?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Then you went and made dinner. What did Fabian and Jessica do? I don't know, they were acting like nothing ever happened. She said, Fabian and Jessica just start cleaning up blood while she makes dinner. Okay, so you go and make dinner and they are cleaning. What happens after that? Once I did the dinner, I go in my room and I eat. Okay, so you eat and I only ate like one taco.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Well, because you were probably sick to your stomach. Yeah, so then I put the other one in the fridge. The police are not happy with Michelle's version of events. There's just too much missing. Like even you look confused and the police are looking confused. Like none of this even makes sense. Like what you're saying, this train of thought, these trains of actions, these don't feel normal.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Too many things are missing. What do you mean you're making dinner for everyone? I'm sorry, you only had one taco. How did you go to sleep after this? How do you fall asleep? To her defense, she says, we had tacos with beef and potatoes and sour cream.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
okay she's like now stating all of this but they don't even just go to sleep according to michelle per this specific interview she states that after dinner after watching her daughter get dismembered she and fabian have intimate relations the authorities come in and out of this interrogation room because they keep going back they keep getting more intel they go to fabian they come in
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
and out of Michelle's interrogation room and when they come back the second time, they're angry. The female officer sits down. By the way, I'm saying female officer because there happens to be one female officer and one male officer in the room. It's not because I think I have to put a woman's gender.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Anyway, I saw some people getting upset about some of that discourse, but it just makes it easier to differentiate.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
But if someone claims that they falsely confessed or they actually did falsely confess, that makes it trickier to get justice. And that is exactly what Michelle Martins is saying happened to her. She's like, that was a false confession. She claims that she did not mean a single thing that she said. She takes it all back.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Michelle, I'm going to ask you one question, and it's a very serious question. Who was R-wording your daughter? Who was S-saying your daughter? Who was it, Michelle? Because you knew about it. Michelle looks confused. Her eyebrows are raised. That was my ex-boyfriend. That's why I got rid of him. Your ex-boyfriend was assaulting your eight-year-old son as well?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Not that I know of because my son is barely with me. He's mostly with his dad. The officer looks her straight in the eye. When did you find out that Fabian and Jessica were being, quote, sexually active with your daughter? When did you find out? And be honest. Not too long ago. So how much meth were they giving her so that they would essay her?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
So now they're saying, we know that Fabian and Jessica were giving Victoria methamphetamines to calm her down so that they could assay her. Michelle says quite a few times they would just sprinkle it in her mouth. How did she die last night while she was being assaulted? How did she die? The meth. No, meth is not what killed her. The meth probably contributed to it.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
We know for a fact the meth is not what killed her. How did she die, Michelle? Okay, you know what? Let's go back. When did you find out that Fabian was having intimate relations with your daughter, Victoria? How long ago? Just recently? Maybe a couple days ago? Two days ago? And when did you find out that Jessica was also sexually abusing your daughter? Were they doing this together? No. Yes.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
How did you find out about it? Did you walk in on it? It's okay. I need to know. Michelle starts crying. Yeah, they were both on top of her. They were both on your daughter. So two days ago, you find out that there are wording your daughter. Am I right? Okay. So how would they do it? When I'm out at work. But how? Was last night the first time that she had meth?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
As far as I know, as far as I've seen. So you watch them give her meth. How did they give her the meth? When she is sitting on the couch watching TV. And does it make it easier for her or does it make it easier for them so she doesn't fight back? What does the meth do to your daughter? It calms her down. It calms her down so that they can have intimate relations with her. Yeah.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Okay, so while they're having intimate relations with her, how do they kill her? And I don't want to hear because of the meth again. How do they kill her, Michelle? How do they kill Victoria? Yeah. By stabbing her. Are you guessing? Are you telling me that? Because you were in the room while she was being sexually assaulted. You were there. Did you participate? No.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
You just watched because you were there. You were there when your daughter was being sexually assaulted. You were there. Where were you? In my bedroom. And where were Fabian and Jessica? I thought they were out on the balcony having a cigarette, but they weren't. How did you participate? I don't think that you assaulted your daughter. Did you help hold her down?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
No, you and I appreciate you being honest about Jessica and Fabian and what they've done. The only thing you're not being honest about is your involvement. So when Jessica and Fabian were in the room sexually assaulting your daughter, what part did you take in the act? I let them do it, which I shouldn't have.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Were you having intimate relations with Fabian or Jessica while they were having intimate relations with your daughter? No. Did you have intimate relations with Fabian after he had intimate relations with your daughter? Yeah.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Yeah, she said that her boyfriend, Fabian, was essaying her 10-year-old daughter, Victoria. So Michelle's 10-year-old daughter is Victoria and Michelle's boyfriend is Fabian. She's saying this adult man was essaying my 10-year-old daughter. She says she let it happen because... She did derive a sick and twisted pleasure of viewing the heinous acts. She got off on observing, okay?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She also confesses that during the past year alone, she's had multiple men come over to force feed her nine-year-old daughter methamphetamines, Z-Quil to calm her down so that they could essay her while she watches, she facilitates and watches all the assaults. Many times these men would essay her children and then immediately have intimate relations with her afterwards.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I mean, to fulfill some sort of depraved, only existing in the deep, dark pits of hell type of fantasy. And she says Fabian was one of those depraved humans that moved in solely for Victoria. And he and his cousin Jessica were both essaying Victoria that night. They fed her meth to keep her more compliant because it, quote, calms her down.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And then as Fabian was assaulting Victoria, Jessica was watching on the side and holding Victoria down. Fabian covers Victoria's mouth and neck and manually strangles her until she dies. during the assault. Afterwards, they dismember Victoria and threaten Michelle. That is what Michelle is saying.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
But that still doesn't explain why she's cooking dinner, why she's having intimate relations with Fabian, why she only eats one taco, why she goes to sleep. What does she have to say about that? She just says, I should have stopped it. That's her response. But so much of this story doesn't even make sense. The police keep pushing.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And they're able to elicit all of these very specific details from Michelle. They ask her, where did Fabian reach the destination, if you will, on her stomach? Was your daughter saying anything during all of this? She's saying, stop, stop. What was Jessica saying? Just shut up. What was Fabian saying? He wasn't really saying much. He was just doing that. And you just stood there and you watched.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
You just let them do this to your daughter. I should have stopped it. How long after he did this to your daughter did he have intimate relations with you? 15 to 20 minutes. How long was Victoria alive after she was R-worded? Or was she dead after she was R-worded? Did they kill her then during the R-wording? I need to know. Yes, when they R-worded her. Were you clothed? I was clothed.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Was Jessica clothed or was she naked? She had her top off. But Fabian, you said, had his shorts on with his private parts exposed. Yeah, he had his pants pulled down but no shirt on. Was Victoria naked? Yeah, Fabian took off her pants and Jessica took off her shirt.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
The police ask where Victoria's underwear went, which side note, the search of the house does show that her underwear was found inside of a laundry basket with blood on them. And she says that it's because Fabian fully essayed her daughter and that's why they had blood. They keep questioning her. How long have you been essaying your daughter? I never essayed my daughter.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
How long have you been inviting men into your house to essay your daughter? The only two that I know of is David and these two. Okay, but you allowed it. I kicked David out when I found out. And then these two. What did David do to your daughter? He was like trying to kiss her on the lips and stuff like that. He tried to put his fingers down there. Did he R word your daughter?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
No, I took her and got her tested and all came out negative. And did you report it to the police? Yes, I did. Michelle, you have been bringing men to your apartment to use your daughter and sexually assault your daughter. This is not the first time that this has happened. This is not the first time your daughter has been R worded.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
You were allowing men to have intimate relations with your daughter and then in turn having intimate relations with you. Help me understand that. What did you get out of that? Is this a turn on for you? The reason we're sitting here today, Michelle, is that it went a little bit further than it has ever gone before. This time she died.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
You weren't ready for these types of animals that these people were, and it went further than you anticipated. So how many times did what happened last night, minus her dying, how many times have you watched that you know that Fabian and Jessica had intimate relations with your daughter? Like three times. They go on to keep pressing her.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
But that specific night, things were a little bit different. Michelle says her boyfriend Fabian was on top of Victoria as saying her. And Fabian's female cousin was also present in the room. And she was joining in on the assault.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And she mentions that they had it almost every single night since Fabian moved in, he was essaying Victoria. Then every single night that Jessica moved in, both of them were essaying Victoria. Prior to that, her ex-boyfriend, David, was essaying Victoria.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Her story keeps on changing, yes, but it's very interesting because a lot of netizens are conflicted on how they feel about this false confession. Some people believe that it's a completely false confession, but most netizens believe that the essay part might be true.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
oh like all these specific yes like there's maybe some truths in some of these lies yeah yeah and then even with um but what is a lie right now we don't know right we don't know we do know that she was essayed at least once prior to prior to her death and likely the day of her death but we don't know how many times by how many people
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
For example, the autopsy for Victoria was rough considering she's been so badly dismembered after her passing. Both of her arms had been cut off and severed. Her leg was partially severed. Her torso had been cut from the collarbone down towards her belly button.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Her heart, parts of her liver were removed and they were all placed in separate plastic bags and some of them are placed inside of a laundry basket. In a separate plastic container, they find Victoria's arms and her heart, and for her cause of death, the autopsy reads, Miss Victoria Martens died as a result of manual strangulation. The manner of her death is best classified as homicide.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
There's a few other things in the autopsy that we'll bring up, but it's not definitive that she was assayed, but there are a few things. Like she had blood in her private regions. There was slight tearing of her rectum. There were all these things that made it seem like, okay, perhaps she was assayed. Maybe it wasn't a...
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
The way a lot of people describe it in like the, even if you go into the police reports, which we FOIA'd for this, it's not, they say maybe it was perhaps not full penetration, but there was SA involved. Because there wasn't as much tearing to indicate. So it's just, it's very difficult to say. So with this confession, immediately, right off the bat, all three of them are thrown in prison.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Naturally. They're thrown in jail. They're charged with Victoria's murder. Which, side note, Michelle is so shocked when she's charged with her own daughter's murder. It's kind of crazy.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Yeah, the boyfriend's cousin. So Fabian is the boyfriend.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Yes, because also, I mean, she's found in the bathtub. It just doesn't make sense that they don't know what's going on.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Yeah. Michelle is looking at one of the detectives like he just betrayed her. And he straight up tells her, I mean, the fact that you're shocked that you're going to jail means that I can't even have a conversation with you about these charges. Like it's, you are not comprehending anything. Somehow, Fabian remains confident that he will be getting out.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Jessica, on the other hand, is getting pissed off by all of this. In one recorded jailhouse phone call, Jessica tells her friend, I wish I knew what the fuck I was getting myself into, dog. She claims she was not on meth that night. She says, I wish I would have been fucked up. I wasn't even like, I was like, fucking no, I'm not doing no shots. And then, you know, this happened.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Oh, they're both like in their 30s. So not only are we talking child predators, child assault, but incest. The cousin's name is Jessica. And instead of being disgusted by what's going on, Michelle is just watching. She's watching all of this happen to her little 10-year-old daughter. And she's asked, okay, but how did they kill her after that assault?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
The friend is like, and then your cousin, bro. What the fuck was he thinking? Shit, I don't know, dude. I don't get high to go fuck, dude. I get high to tweak. To which Jessica is also on the phone with her mom and her mom is clearly also unhinged. She tells Jessica on the phone, maybe God had you there to expose Fabian. I think that's what it is.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Fabian, on the other hand, is talking on the phone with a girlfriend of his. I don't know how he has a girlfriend, but he has a girlfriend. He's on the phone with his girlfriend. I thought Fabian's girlfriend is... I mean, after that confession, I think they broke up and he made a new girlfriend whilst behind bars. He says, I know I'm going home. I'm not even worried.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Just lift your eyesight up as if someone is dangling a little mistletoe on top of your head and you need to look up at it without moving your entire skull. Just look as high as you can. Now, once your eyes are in that position, close your eyes. Did your eyelids, as they're coming down, did you feel any sort of fluttering in your eyelids? Or did they come down as smooth as garage doors?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Sometimes I just get discouraged because I'm still here. I already knew I was going to be able to go home. I just didn't think it was going to take this long.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
fabian and his mom also just like jessica and her mom they blame the other cousins fabian's mom says about jessica it's awful that you can't trust everybody but you can't son you can't he agrees you can't i know you know especially if that someone is from your family you know what i mean you would think that you could you know what i mean that is wild they're all related yeah and their moms all behave in this way and the moms are probably what siblings
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
They're either like in, it could be, you know, the dad. But still, they're all related. Fabian tells his mom that regardless, when he gets out, he's going to take her to the salon so that she could get a massage. And he even tells his girlfriend, soon I'll be home, guys. Soon. I love you guys. So why the hell do both of them think that they're going to be home anytime soon? June 29th, 2018.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
This is two years after Victoria's murder. The new DA, Raul Torres, he takes office and he holds a press conference. So by this point, since 2016, this was one of the more high profile cases in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Everyone and their entire genetic lineage at this point believed that Fabian and Jessica had essayed Victoria while Michelle was watching, then dismembered her and then lit her on fire. But the DA says the authorities fumbled the ball. They say, first, we found no meth in Victoria's system. Part of the story was that they force-fed Victoria meth to calm her down so that they could essay her.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
There was no meth.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She claims Michelle is lying. It was a man that did this. An unknown man that did this. That that that that essayed and killed Victoria. And then the dismembering. Yeah. It seems like Jessica and Fabian did that.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Because she felt like her cousin was not going to believe the other man's story and just blame it all on Jessica. Because she was technically the only one home with Victoria.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
okay so she's trying to kill them yeah she's like i know it's very hard i think like the more you try to reason with their logic the more you're going to be confused because there is no reasoning with their logic so she's like oh i didn't kill her i would never kill someone this random man came in and killed her but because now everyone's gonna think i killed her i have to kill two more people to make sure that they don't think that i killed her that's her logic
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
It's like the most crazy logic. But the authorities say, first of all, there is no meth in Victoria's system. Second of all, Fabian and Michelle were not home during Victoria's time of death. They might have been home during the dismemberment. It's very hard to say because it's a very closed window. But they were not home when Victoria was killed. Third of all, they found partial DNA...
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Michelle, how did they kill your daughter that night? You were there. You watched it. Michelle is sitting there in front of these two people and she's got tears just streaming down her cheeks. You saw it. How did they kill your daughter? A little sob escapes her mouth by essaying her. Explain that to me because I don't understand. He essayed her so hard that she died?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
a unknown male DNA on the back of Victoria. This could be saliva. It could be sweat. It doesn't seem to be any sort of male fluids. It seems like saliva or sweat, but it's a partial DNA and they ran it through the system. They can't find a match.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And Fabian's DNA was not on Victoria that day. So they say this version of events that Michelle gave cannot be true. It cannot be true.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
He says, I recognize that these revelations are not consistent with the public's perception of what happened to Victoria Martens, but I want to share this information with you to help the community understand where this case is going and ultimately assist in the apprehension of everyone involved in this horrific crime. Right now, the only suspect to Victoria's murder is the unknown male DNA.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
All three of them, their charges get decreased from murder to child abuse. And like tampering with evidence. And Jessica, obviously assault, aggravated assault.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And everyone freaks out. Now, Michelle's attorney jumps on this and states, the interrogation, the confession was false. It was a false confession. Michelle's attorney states, Michelle does not function at the same level most of us do. These are his quotes. She spent most of her life saying things to people, please.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
So if you ask her something, she's going to respond in a way that she thinks that you like. He states that she confessed due to her people-pleasing, pushover personality traits and the fact that she has a lower than normal IQ. She has a hard time saying no or asserting herself.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
One person that allegedly used to work with Michelle wrote online, As someone who worked in retail with Michelle 11 years ago, I can vouch that she has a pretty low IQ. I would estimate it's around 90. Very simple-minded. To which some netizens, they watch the interrogation footage and they believe, yeah, this seems like a false confession. Everything is kind of being spoon-fed to her.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
So they'll insinuate, no, there's no way that happened because you were in the room. And then her story evolves from there. It seems like she's taking whatever they're saying and then adding upon it or saying, yes, you're actually right. Or let me change that. You're right. This was what happened, right? They're saying it feels like she's leading all the questions, the female detective.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She's holding her hand, guiding her to say all of these things. Some people say that they're almost following an instruction manual to the T on how to elicit a false confession. They're holding her hand. They're comforting her. They're putting her guard down, mother to mother. They're firmly re-guiding her to new answers when they don't accept the ones that she's given.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
They consistently say, why are you lying? No, I don't want to hear it. You're lying to us. No, you're lying. Which I will say watching it, it is not the most aggressive interrogation I've seen. I would like to say that Maddie Soto's, the Jennifer Soto interrogation is more aggressive than this one. This is not that aggressive at all.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
In fact, it's pretty soft, but I can see how people are pointing out these leading questions. The level of, it wasn't particularly shocking in the aggression, but maybe the words that they were using. were a little more leading.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I think the general sentiment is that she is a heinous mother. She is likely doing meth. She's bringing in all these strange men into her house because she does seem to be obsessed with boyfriends when they talk to neighbors. She's obsessed with boyfriends, does not put her kids first, does not value the safety of her kids. I mean, you don't bring in a man.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Again, these are direct quotes. He covered her mouth with tape. This is your baby girl, 10-year-old Victoria, who is being held down on the bed so that an adult man can R-word her. You are the only one that is going to be able to tell us how she died because you were there. You were there watching it. How did she die? She sits in silence, thinking, crying, trying to catch her breath.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Fabian, she met on plentyoffish.com, a dating website, moved him in after a month of talking to him online with her two kids. Eight-year-old Matthew was not in the house. He was at his dad's house when all this happened, thankfully. But... She's a very bad mom. At one point, Victoria was sexually assaulted. She does have HPV. She does seem like she had gone through a lot of trauma.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
However, there's no proof that she was online trying to look for men to assault her kids. In fact, every time someone assaulted her kids, she would call the police.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
That's where a lot of conspiracies happen. So her ex-boyfriend had tried to kiss Victoria and tried to touch her private parts. She kicked him out of the house and called the police. The police came and told her straight up he tried to kiss her is not a crime because he's just trying. Like attempting to kiss a child is not a crime. And the police did nothing.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
So now a lot of people believe that the police are almost covering up for themselves because they think that if this goes into discovery and the attorney, Michelle's defense attorney, comes out and is like, look at everything Michelle did and then look at this interrogation. They're leading her to all this. They could be in a lot of big trouble.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
So they're getting ahead of it and saying, this was a false confession. Those two officers are crazy for that. But the system is not broken. Don't look at the system. These two officers are just the bad ones. They led her to a false confession. Don't look at us. Because prior to this, in the past year, she had called CPS like six times to report.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
We don't know the exact reports because those are all closed investigations. And she didn't go through a trial where that was put into evidence. However, it just seems like she was calling CPS. She does keep putting her children in dangerous situations, but she also then will call CPS and the police when something happens. So it's very confusing.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And I do think that if it had been anyone not Michelle, like look at Fabian and Jessica, they don't succumb to the interrogation tactics. I didn't see it as like so alarming, but that's also what's so insidious about false confessions.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Most people, when they look at it, they're like, well, I would never say anything, but it takes a very specific person in a very specific environment for them to falsely confess to something. It was pretty insidious. Like if there are so many people who only saw the interrogation tape, did not do any research into the case, they don't think that that was a false confession.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
They just think like she's the world's worst mom. And she might as well be. She could be. I'm not debating that. I think she's, honestly, I think she could stand to be in jail for the rest of her life. I think that would be great because she still let this happen to her daughter. Mm-hmm. I think that makes her despicable. I think she's bringing men around. She's doing meth.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Don't do this if you're driving or operating any sort of heavy machinery. If you are in a safe place, preferably not in motion, do this. Keep your head as if you're staring at something in front of you at eye level. So straight ahead. Do not move your head at any point until I tell you to. Keep your chin down. Do not physically lift your head up.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She's exposing her children to this. She's putting her own frivolous, shitty dating life above her own kids. And I think that's really gross and vile. And I think that she could be in jail for a very long time. But I do think that the police were asking very leading questions.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And it's just led to a lot of debates online. So the debates go something along the lines of, one comment will read, major props to the detectives. Some of the questions asked were so depraved and crazy. There's no way I could listen to her without choking the life from her. What an absolute monster. The officer showed great restraint.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Fabian's hands were around Victoria's mouth and neck because he was on top of Victoria.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
To which someone comments back, they actually fucked the whole thing up and this was considered a false confession. The evidence did not match the story either. I don't know if it was the meth use or what, but she just like agreed to all their suggestions. To which another person responds, how is that their fault though? She chose to go along with the story that made her look even worse.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She's a monster either way, but how is it their fault that she wasn't being honest that she wasn't there? Which others agree. And someone else even says, I don't think this was a completely false confession. Saying like maybe she wasn't there the day that Victoria died. She probably saw Victoria get dismembered, but maybe the assaults were taking place.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Because the amount of detail she was giving... Now, others would argue that in false confessions, you could give a lot of details. So it's very tricky. And I think the fact that this is being called a false confession... You know how we want the world to be very black and white?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
okay when he was done essaying her was she dead or alive she wasn't moving what did they do when they were done essaying her daughter and holding her by the neck they stabbed her she grabs a tissue almost like this realization dawns on her and she starts crying harder but the questions don't stop and then 20 minutes later you had intimate relations with your boyfriend did you not i did
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
So when we think of false confessions, we think of innocent people who say things that they never did and they're actually innocent. And that makes us want to raise awareness for false confessions. But what happens, because I'm sure these are most of the false confessions, when it's a very gray area, she is a shit person. And I think she's horrible. But also, maybe this is a false confession.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Like, how does that make people feel?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
So they think that morally, this was not a false confession. They think that morally, she is as corrupt as she is in the interrogation. Maybe those exact things did not happen the way that she's saying, but there must be some truth to her lies is what netizens believe. Morally, she's horrendous.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Legally, the officers did say some things and do some things that could lead to a jury questioning if the confession could be valid or not. And with the evidence not matching up.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Well, her murder, no one has been charged with her murder yet. So someone could be charged with her murder. But what are the odds that they're going to find a match to the DNA?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Yes. But that doesn't make sense either. That doesn't make sense either. That's why people think a lot of netizens think the authorities are trying to cover up all their shit. A lot of netizens think. The authorities were called consistently to check on Victoria. They don't protect Victoria. They don't do anything about it. They say, hey, this grown man tried to kiss your kid.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Sorry, that's not a crime. They do nothing. Then Victoria ends up getting murdered. They feel like they could also be on the line for it. So they just spend this, maybe there's a lot of heightened emotions. They go in, they see the crime scene. They need a story as crazy as the crime scene. They elicit this crazy story from Michelle. And it's like, hey, don't look at anything we've done.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Look at what Michelle did, which is exactly what all of New Mexico does for two years. And then a new DA comes in. And around that time, Albuquerque Police Department was going through some stuff where there were multiple cases of eliciting false confessions. So they thought, let's get ahead of this because if this goes to trial, it's probably not going to work in our favor.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
A lot of shit is going to get dug up and talked about and debated by Michelle's attorneys, by Fabian's attorneys, by everybody's attorneys. So let's just get ahead of this and say this was a false confession. We're going to charge them with this and then give Michelle and Jessica plea deals. That is the conspiracy that a lot of netizens have.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I'm not saying that the Albuquerque Police Department did anything. I'm just saying it is a little alarming when CPS does nothing to these types of phone calls. One of the reasons that netizens don't believe that Fabian and Michelle had anything to do with the deaths, which by the way, again, me saying that Michelle had nothing to do with Victoria's death, like...
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I will never in my life defend a woman like Michelle Martins. Like, never in my life. I think it would be best for society if she is locked away for a very long time. I don't even know if you can rehabilitate someone that does that to their own children, that puts them in such dangerous situations. What kind of rehabilitation can you do? That's your own offspring.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Like, you don't even care about them. How can you care about anything? So a lot of netizens believe Michelle and Fabian were not involved in Victoria's death because they were the ones calling the police. Like they went to the neighbors when they were attacked by Jessica to have the police called. Sure, Michelle, maybe the elevator does not go all the way up is what some netizens are saying.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
However, Fabian, he has been in prison like five bajillion times. Would he really risk it? Usually people that are in and out of prison to that level, they avoid law enforcement like it is the next tsunami that's going to hit. They don't call law enforcement ever. They never get them involved because with their record, law enforcement is never going to see them as a victim.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She admits that she not only watched her daughter get held down and essayed, but 20 minutes later, she had intimate relations with the man that essayed her daughter. Furthermore, she does this thing. She says she seeks out men on plentyoffish.com, on these dating websites, that'll come to her house to essay her kids so that she can watch.
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They're never going to say, oh, I'm so sorry you were attacked. They're going to be like, you probably did something and we're going to search your entire house for drugs. So we're going to lock you up again. He would not call unless he genuinely felt like he was just being attacked out of nowhere and he had nothing to do with Victoria's death. Didn't even know she was dead.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Exactly. So netizens are just going back and forth. I'm just repeating netizen sentiments. Now, the neighbors are the ones that called the police. And again, they did not call because they saw smoke billowing out of the unit, even though Victoria had just recently been lit on fire in the bathtub. They don't see any smoke yet. They call because Fabian is like slamming on their doors.
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And authorities do note, netizens who also believe, again, Fabian and Michelle are not involved. This is just a netizen theory. This is not my personal belief. They believe that Michelle and Fabian are not involved. And authorities even do note that Fabian was involved in a gang-related fight two days prior. I just want to say, I think gangs, it has like the cartel effect.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
In the sense of like, I think gangs are really dangerous. Same with any sort of organized crime anywhere. They take lives. They're very dangerous. But this doesn't really seem like you can't just say gangs and then put this kind of crazy crime on them. A lot of netizens are like, yeah, gangs are really bad. Gangs do some crazy stuff. I've never heard of a gang go into the apartment and
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
s a and kill a 10 year old girl that has no biological relation to the person that they're upset with and then leave like it just they're like i don't know in what world a gang does this yeah so the connection is loose yeah and then jessica saying like he was a well-dressed mexican man Then everyone's like, like, it just feels very fictional. Like, even the act itself is fictional.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And then she's describing him as, like, organized crime mafia gang leader. Yeah. So it's like, none of this is adding up.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
now one comment reads yeah mom and boyfriend weren't home i don't think they were involved in the assault and murder honestly still not the greatest people should not have left her with jessica but yeah i think it was jessica and some unknown man another netizen brings up what is the likelihood that an unidentified male comes into the house essays and murders a 10 year old girl on her birthday which by the way the next day was victoria's birthday 10th birthday
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
All the while an adult is present who is too high on meth to properly recognize and identify the perpetrator or stop the crime from happening. It doesn't make any sense. Which is the next theory. There is an unknown man. that essayed and killed Victoria, but he was not some elusive mafia member in a well-dressed suit that came in looking for Fabian. He was invited in by Jessica.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Netizens speculate that Jessica might have sold Victoria for drugs, that she asked her drug dealer to come over and he was willing to participate in some grotesque acts against humanity. in exchange for drugs. He will give her the drugs and he will do what he wants with Victoria.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And then immediately after, she'll have intimate relations with these men.
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This seems like the more plausible theory because there have been cases where mothers themselves have sold their children in exchange for drugs. So it seems like the only difference in this theory versus the story that Jessica gave is that Jessica invites this man in and he is not an unknown aggressor. With that, people start branching off in that theory.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Maybe he gave her the drugs and then left and then Jessica realizes Victoria is going to tell someone about it. So she kills Victoria and then dismembers her. Or maybe in the process of essaying Victoria, he kills Victoria and then leaves. And now Jessica is left to panic and clean up after him, I guess. So there are two branches of that theory.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She's asked, how are these conversations starting online? How does it start and end with somebody having intimate relations with your child in your apartment? Which, by the way, they use the term intimate relations. And just so you know, anytime someone is being questioned, these types of word usage is very deliberate.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And a lot of people think this makes more sense because consider this. Knowing Fabian, I don't think that he would care at all if Victoria was essayed or killed. I don't think he cares. She was essayed and killed, likely essayed.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
killed he doesn't seem to care like it doesn't really face him if a gang member wants to come in and hurt fabian this is not the way to do it fabian also has kids of his own that stay with the children's mother this just doesn't make sense and if the point would be to frame fabian for victoria's murder and essay that wouldn't make sense because if he owes the gang money which is what jessica's story is him being in jail does not help the gang
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Others believe there is no unknown man. And if there is an unknown man, like that partial DNA, it could have just been from something else. It doesn't mean that whoever did this had anything to do with actually essaying and killing Victoria. Some netizens, a lot of netizens, think that this was solely on Jessica. Clearly, Jessica was saying some crazy things. She was like, do you believe in God?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She was talking about Jesus. She's high on meth. She's taking out the smoke detectors. She's unhinged. She kills Victoria, then dismembers her. I think the part that some netizens feel wary about this conspiracy is the essay part. However, you have to remember, Jessica was charged with abetting, like helping someone essay someone in prison. So it's not far-fetched.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
One comment writes, Jessica Kelly scares me, dude. She is legitimately fucked in the head. I think she is solely responsible. She's a fucking pedo.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Another comment reads, I always thought it was a little weird that Jessica attacked the other two while they were in bed and by then the apartment was already on fire and after that Jessica ran away from the police while the other two voluntarily went to the police. I think it was just Jessica.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Now, if you go through the initial reports, incident reports along with the autopsy, there's a few things that stand out. Victoria does have an STD, which the authorities have stated she likely contracted it a year prior to her death because she was SAD a year prior. She has been essayed.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And I think this is why I personally believe that regardless of the false confession, Michelle deserves to burn in the depths of hell because after her daughter is essayed, she just still lets these random men move in to her home and then leaves them behind. like gives them free access to her children. And a lot of netizens believe the time of her death, Victoria was likely essayed.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
The initial incident report states that there was bruising around the child's neck, possible signs of strangulation. The child's undergarments were locked inside the residence in a garbage can. Her private parts were soiled with dark blood. And one part of her autopsy reads, there was evidence of perimortem penetrating trauma to the rectum, including a posterior tear and abrasion.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Perimortem means at or near the time of death. Trauma there does not automatically indicate SA has taken place, but given everything else, it's definitely unwise to rule it out completely. Additionally, I looked into it. I thought maybe the way that they were trying to manipulate her body to dismember and sever her limbs, it doesn't seem like that would cause that type of terror.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
You say intimate relations versus our word because it might alienate the person into retrieving and realizing how bad it sounds so they won't say anything more.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Additionally, she has, quote, several blunt injuries that involve both the private area and the rectum. And she may not have had meth in her system. Michelle said this during her false confession, but she did have high levels of ethanol in her system, alcohol. Now, this is where things get a little bit tricky. The body can create ethanol in the liver post-mortem, after death.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
But the level of ethanol in Victoria is quite significant. And if she had consumed that level, she would have been pretty intensely cognitively and physically impaired. But the fact that she has ethanol in her system does not mean that she consumed it prior to death.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She could have produced it post-mortem, but the autopsy does state, in an alcohol-naive person, this level of alcohol could cause cognitive and physical impairment. So perhaps they believe it was enough to raise alarm. Again, there's no pure evidence that she was essayed the night of her death, but that doesn't mean that she wasn't.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
and it's just caused a lot of fights on reddit one discussion on reddit goes like this victoria could have easily been attacked by a previous male her mother trafficked her to someone responds that never happened another response then how did victoria end up with an std Another response. She was sexually abused, but her mother had nothing to do with it.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
In fact, she went to the police to report it. Others feel like it's still not good enough. If your child has been essayed, you got to be hypervigilant. With one netizen writing, even if the mother wasn't there when Victoria was killed, she damn well put her in that situation. She's the one who started this terrible chain of events.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I hope she suffers every second for the rest of her life, along with the rest of them. Everyone else who have hurt Victoria. So with this new investigation, no one is being charged with Victoria's murder. Michelle gets charged with child abuse resulting in death. Fabian with reckless child abuse resulting in death, conspiracy to tamper with evidence, and seven counts of tampering with evidence.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
it sounds too harsh of a word even though that is the exact crime she says she knows the signs that men are interested in her kids rather than her she says they ask me if i have any kids i say i have two and then they when they meet with me for the first time they want to meet my kids too And Michelle, how did you discover that this was something that you wanted to do? How did you get into it?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Jessica with child abuse resulting in death, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, conspiracy to commit tampering, and three counts of tampering with evidence. Infuriatingly, Fabian was even released in 2019, awaiting his new trial because his charges were decreased from essay and murder to reckless child abuse charges.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
He was under house arrest, which for some insane reason, while he's out on house arrest, he gets married. Yeah, someone was willing to marry him. Michelle and Jessica got less time because they decide that they're gonna work with the police and testify against Fabian. And during the trial, Jessica's sister, so Fabian's other cousin, she shows up, she's blowing kisses at court reporters.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And at one point she's escorted out of the courtroom because she says, she's screaming, you guys are pieces of shit talking to Michelle and Fabian, not her sister, Jessica. She says, I'm gonna get you, Michelle. Fabian, you're still family though. In prison, Fabian does indeed get beat up, but it doesn't appear that it was for his charges.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Now, I'm not here to neither confirm nor deny any appreciation for certain social systems put in place in prison where child predators are treated like walking punching bags. I think that's not a conversation for today. But I regret to inform you that he did not get beaten up for what he did to Victoria.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
It seems like he was just in a heated argument with another prisoner because the guy who beat him up is also a pedophile. Ultimately, Michelle gets 12 years. Fabian gets 37 and a half years. Jessica gets 44 years. Michelle's parents, Victoria's grandparents are suing the state with the argument that the state did not do enough to protect Victoria after all of those CPS calls.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
A lot of netizens hate this. They feel like the grandparents also did not do enough to protect Victoria. And if anything, they were at least more involved and more incentivized to help Victoria. The grandparents, they live very close by and they did nothing. That's what netizens think.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
So they also, furthermore, netizens are upset that if the grandparents win the lawsuit, they are awarded taxpayer funds. And they also stand by Michelle. They're like, we don't think that Michelle did any of this. That was a false confession. She's a very nice girl.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
And the community has come together to purchase a gravestone for Victoria because it really seems like nobody's in Victoria's life that cared for her. One netizen who claims to know Michelle, they say, Michelle was always pretty quiet at work. She was really reserved and I remember the rough time frame of when she met up with Fabian on some dating app. After that, her work went to shit.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Side note, she worked at the deli section in Kroger, so like Ralph's. She would show up late or call out. She would never help customers or she would just disappear on her phone. I will never forget her breath when she got close. It was like a tar type of smell. I'm guessing it was the meth?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
and then okay so her ex-boyfriend side note this is completely side note the ex-boyfriend that tried to kiss victoria remember he was an ex-co-worker of michelle's they met working at the store bye-bye baby they sell like baby strollers he worked in the stroller department which is incredibly alarming yeah
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Others feel like, other netizens feel like the interrogation was all sorts of messed up, writing, I saw the interrogation of Michelle. She confirmed anything the police said. She would have admitted that the mailman murdered her daughter if prompted to. But most netizen sentiments just want all of them to burn in the deepest depths of hell.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Was it just something that you wanted to try? Just to see? I guess I was curious. Was this something that ever happened to you during your childhood? Not to my knowledge.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Writing, stuff like this makes me really think, like I wouldn't feel bad. I would actually be excited to see these types of people get brutally murdered. Fuck them. Another one reads, even if her mom and the boyfriend weren't home, I'm sure they were both complicit in it somehow and they don't ever deserve to be free.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Another one reads, as much as I hope this dude dies a slow, painful death alone on a cement floor, he wasn't there at the time. Talking about Fabian. Albuquerque police spectacularly fucked this up from the get-go, still has been unable to account for another male DNA or even release a timeline of events that makes sense.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
The DA and the APD seem to be content in walking away from this and hoping everyone forgets how badly they messed this one up once the cells slam shut.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
other netizens are just really upset because there's no justice and one comment reads i really hope the police look into the other men michelle met not that i have any faith in law enforcement since they clearly don't be don't seem to be doing much here but they should just in case others are just focused on the words that were spoken during the interrogation writing quote after you guys cut the arms off victoria cut her leg off then you went and made dinner
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Might be one of the most insane things I've ever heard. Who could ever participate in dismembering their own child and still want to eat? I cannot fathom. And every time I think this story can't possibly get worse, it does. And those are the netizen theories and sentiments. What are your thoughts on this case?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I mean, it's just so bizarre from every angle and I feel like every single person failed Victoria. What are your thoughts? Let me know in the comments and please be safe and I will see you in the next one.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Within a few hours, sitting in an interrogation room, almost like she's being hypnotized, Michelle Martens tells the authorities that she gets off on inviting men over after meeting them on websites to watch them essay her eight-year-old son and her 10-year-old daughter, Victoria.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She says she only recently stopped because her new boyfriend Fabian moved in and he was doing all the assaulting himself. He even let his female cousin Jessica move in so she could partake in all of this. All the while, Michelle is watching. That's what she gets off on. But last night, things don't go as planned.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
As the assault is taking place, Fabian kills Victoria, Jessica holds her down, and Fabian starts dismembering Victoria, severing off her limbs. Then they wrap her in a blanket, throw her in the bathtub, and light her on fire. That is exactly how the police find Victoria in the bathtub, in flames. Like, that's the exact, they find her, then they question Michelle, but that's exactly, it matches up.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Or is there some sort of resistance like a twitch?
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Victoria was found missing her arms and her internal organs, her heart and liver were gone.
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After the severing of her limbs, yes, it seems to be. It is probably one of the craziest interrogations I've ever seen. But then they find evidence that some of the interrogation clips of what Michelle is saying are not true. So how could Michelle see all of this happening to her daughter when she's not even home at the time that this happens?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Her cell data shows that she's been out of the house at the time that this takes place. Which means if that's not true, why did she say that it was? And how much of her statement is a lie? Was she coerced into saying everything? Or is it a half truth, half lie?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Okay, interesting. Mine fluttered quite a bit. And they say that it means if your eyelids flutter when doing this, you might be more available to suggestion, more open to hypnosis. This is not a given. There's not many scientific studies done on this. So take it with a grain of salt. But it is fascinating.
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This episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support Rotten Mango's growing team and would also like to thank you guys for your continued support as we work on our mission to be worthy advocates. As always, full show notes are available at rottenmangopodcast.com. Today's case has quite a few mentions of SA, CSA, and potentially CSAM,
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And the trafficking of children, it's definitely a bit more graphic and detailed than some of our recent cases. So please, if it's too heavy, too intense, take care of yourself. I will see you in the next one. With that being said, let's get started. The police have a 10-year-old that's been murdered. and they have three people that they need to talk to, two women and one man.
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The woman named Michelle, she's got this nasty cut between her eyes, like blood was dripping down in the middle of her face, straight down the top of her nose. It is her daughter, Victoria, that's been killed. Then you have the man, Fabian. He's got a black eye. He's got a deep gash on his eyebrow. He's Michelle's live-in boyfriend. And then we have another woman named Jessica.
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All of them are injured in some way, shape or form, and they don't want to talk about why Victoria was found killed and dismembered in the apartment that they all share. What the hell happened to Victoria? Jessica goes first. She was the one that was left babysitting for most of the day. But before they can even ask questions, Jessica's pissed off. She's pissed off at the cops.
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I want to know why you're treating me like this. You're being arrested, all right? For murder. Why am I being arrested for murder? There's three other people in that house and you're gonna get me for murder? Like, fuck being treated like shit like this whole fucking time for something else. This is bullshit. This is bullshit. You're fucking violating my whole fucking rights, dude. For what?
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For what? Seriously, go find a motherfucking killer, dude. Go find a motherfucking killer. Ugh. They tell her that they're going to take her DNA because they have a warrant. So this is not up for negotiation. And she says, well, the thing is, I live at the house. You know what I mean? My DNA is going to be all over the house. Earlier that day, officers had been called to Unit 808.
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The situation was pretty chaotic. They had two people outside that claimed to have been attacked, Michelle and Fabian. Both of them had bloody faces. They tell officers, Michelle's daughter, 10-year-old Victoria, is inside the unit still. They run up to Unit 808. A woman with blonde hair opens the door, sees the cop uniforms, slams the door shut. They're like, what the hell is that?
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And just like there are things that make someone more easily, more likely to be hypnotized, that a lot of hypnotists, when they do those onstage performances, they will look for certain cues in the audience. They will actively pick out someone that they believe is more open to suggestion.
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They try slamming the door open. It won't open. They're like, maybe we should kick it down. And as they're contemplating all of this, they hear a scream from the other side of the apartment. The other officers are screaming and more or less they're shouting that the crazy lady that just slammed the door in the other officer's face, she jumped off the balcony. This is like three stories high.
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It's not the eighth floor, but it's still pretty high.
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I mean, fate works in very mysterious ways. And the officer is almost to their diabolical amusement. She's not all right. She completely shattered her entire ankle and now she can no longer run. Oh, yeah, it works to their benefit. The officers place the woman in handcuffs. They force her to walk herself to the police car. She's screaming. Every step feels like someone is shooting her ankle.
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And she's like, my ankle, my ankle. You shattered it. You shattered it. You guys threw me off the balcony. They're like, don't be dramatic. You jumped off the balcony because you're trying to escape. And second of all, we don't care. This is on the body cam. They force her to walk. They say, I don't care. Keep walking. Walk.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
It's pretty easy to see from her criminal record that she is not unfamiliar with the police, both her and her cousin Fabian. You know those pictures where people are like, I take a picture every day and they make a video and it's just them moving because you could do that with their mugshots. They have so many mugshots. They have been arrested so many times.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Probably more mugshots than you have pictures on your Instagram. One of her most recent charges while she was in prison, her cellmate had decided that I'm going to wake up and be the most heinous person ever. Her cellmate decides that she's going to essay another inmate.
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Jessica helps her by locking the cell door behind them and keeping a lookout while her cellmate has her way and onwards another female inmate. So not the most spectacular person that the police are dealing with right now. And she's only been released from prison for about a week. And here she is right back in their presence. She explains to them, you guys have the wrong person.
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You don't even know what you're talking about. You're violating my rights, dude. She explains, yes, okay, she was babysitting Victoria. She couldn't really say no because she was staying at Michelle's house for $50 a month. That's how much she was paying in rent. Although Michelle didn't know that. Fabian was taking the $50 a month. And Michelle thought that she was just living there for free.
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Because when you're being hypnotized, they try to tell you that you feel certain ways, that you feel like you're floating, that you feel like your two fingers are magnetized and they're pulling towards each other and you can't let them separate. They convince you of these things. And just like that, there are personality traits that make it easier for someone to give a false confession.
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She was babysitting Victoria that day. Fabian and Michelle go out. And yeah, she was a little bit out of it. Jessica's sitting there, maybe doing some recreational drugs. And she sees this man walk into the apartment. And she's only been there for like a week. She doesn't know what kind of people are in and out of this apartment. So she's like, huh, there's a man in here.
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And he looks at her and he tells her, hey, do you know where? And then insert Fabian's street name. Because I guess Fabian's part of a gang. That's what they say. And she's like, no, he's not home right now. He's like, okay. Walks into Victoria's room, violently essays her, kills her, and then tells Jessica, get rid of her body. And if you tell anyone, you're next. Your cousin owes me money.
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She said it was a well-dressed Mexican man. And then the police show up. She's terrified. She had nothing to do with the murder. She just had to dispose of Victoria's body because what was she going to do? They're going to get her next. I mean, she was terrified and now she's in the back of the squad car with a broken ankle and all and it's just, it's terrifying.
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She says, you guys need to go catch the real killer. Side note, the apartment was in shambles and it's very interesting. So she's claiming that a man walks in, essays and kills Victoria. But when you go in, everything is just hectic. There's blood everywhere. There's blood seeping into the carpet. There's evidence that someone tried to clean up the blood.
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Inside the bathroom, they find Victoria, her torso, her head, they're all connected. Her arms have been severed. They were found in a separate plastic bag. Her liver and her heart were taken out, also found in a separate plastic bag. Her left leg was almost completely severed off. The rest of her body that's in the bathtub was wrapped in a blanket and lit on fire.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Every single smoke detector in the house was also conveniently taken down. So Jessica's story, it doesn't really add up. Also, what are all these wounds? Sure, Jessica's fractured ankle makes sense. She jumped off the balcony. But why are Michelle and Fabian wounded? They go into Fabian's interrogation room. He says, I did nothing.
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yeah you think you think i'm looking to to make my code eight zero zero so what you just like did it on accident i did it on accident i don't know how to undo it but now we have to we have to live with it it's just like i don't i they're very confusing so how did you set it you put eight eight eight zero zero and you just clicked it i like i like clicked it over there like do a 45 degree turn and then i'm like but what 45 degrees you could probably turn or change it yeah i probably can i just i'm not going to figure out how to do it but if anybody wants to break in
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
And you could probably figure out where Zach lives. What's in there? Just soccer balls? You're going to be the owner of about eight soccer balls.
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And just start living in there.
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Can you fit in there like that?
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Do you have one or no?
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I don't know what, we would have to maybe take a break. We would have to move. We'd have to take a break. Yeah. That'd be a devastating blow. What a devastating loss for the company. If we lost, we would lose everything. I mean, yeah.
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You don't have anything. No.
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So we're not going to talk about it. Okay, you probably have one then. That's great. Also, you don't have to play every pot. You don't have to do one every pot.
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We'd lose it all. We'd lose our balls. We'd lose it all. All of it.
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And so, and we want to protect it. So 800 is his code and you could get in there. Protection with our life. My confession is more of an accusation.
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Yeah, I knew that.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
How did it work for them?
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So maybe they needed breaks.
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They're not hurt.
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They're still going to play the next game.
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Yeah.
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That's pretty crazy. How many times has that happened? Zero. Ever? I don't know. I think in the playoffs it's never happened. Oh, that all five starters play the whole half? Yeah, because normally all your starters aren't that good. I think I watched that game and didn't realize they did that.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Honestly, I didn't either. That's pretty awesome. I kind of respect that.
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If somebody's going to do it, JJ's allowed to do it. Because he's like, he gets it.
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100%, yeah. And that's the time to do it. You're down 2-1 in that game. Right. It was the most recent game he did that? Yes. What are you pulling LeBron for six minutes? I'm just saying, the Nuggets have the best starting five in the league. Adelman? Do it if you have to do it. Adelman, if we're like down six in the third quarter tonight. Do it. Please.
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Right, I just wanted to tell the sticks what we're doing, though, with that. So Zach might be like, he has to say, like, butt 10 times without me noticing or something. The competition is... If I guess it, I win. But if I guess and it's wrong, he wins. Or if I just don't guess the whole time, he wins. So I can't just throw guesses out because I lose on a misguess. Yes. I – yeah.
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Honestly, our bench is insane. Who even? Peyton Watson, I guess? Russell Westbrook.
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We don't want to do Russell Westbrook. Pickett, I think. Do you want to Russell Westbrook? Do you know him? I know of him. Yeah, he's a guy on our team. I'm just saying. Danny, all I'm saying is... No, I think if we're down tonight, it's like we can't lose this. This is the most important game ever. It's revolutionary. Yeah, I think that's a great point. Don't take the starters out.
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And it's like, hey, maybe we lose, but it's like we tried really hard because we kept them in and we gave it our best shot.
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We played our best guys. Gave it our best shot.
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You know it won't even be. Yeah. He's probably going to hear us. Yeah, he can hear us right now.
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They can all hear at all times. I don't have a confession. Let's go. We'll go stat, and then we can try these things here. I also have a letter.
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Yeah. But when it's a letter, we can't entertain. Should we read it? Let's read it. Let's read it. Are you going to be able to long form read or do you want me to read it? Depends, man. Depends. I don't know. I think just look at how long it is. Let's see how this letter is. Let me know. Normally I get nauseous if it's too long. So yeah, let's give it a look. I'll have an idea.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Cause I'm not, I don't mind reading. And if you, you said like you like ad libbing sometimes.
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So he did a letter within a letter. That's dope. So he has a letter. And then a letter. I think this is, he wants this. It seems like he wants it.
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I don't, I haven't read the letters yet, but he's going to say like, please respond with answer.
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I think sign them. Are those fucking cards?
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Are they like playing cards?
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Really sick.
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So we each sign them.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Holy shit. Look at the back. Oh, I want to keep one. Is he saying we can keep one?
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
And he wants us to sign some of them?
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Bro, this look. Oh my God. This is amazing. Now I do wish we opened it on. How did he make it look so much like us? This is incredible, man. This is awesome, man. These are playing cards for those of you that are audio only. Holy shit, dude. That looks like us. I'm a huge fan of yours and love watching. He said, Hey, Zach and Danny. What's up?
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I'm a huge fan of yours and love watching your videos. As I'm writing this, I'm listening to Pod 122, so I am somebody who likes to send sports cards to players through the mail. Yeah, you're ad-libbing. To get signed. I was wondering if you could both sign this custom card and send it back.
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Please take it out of the case before you sign and make sure to wait for it to dry before putting it back in. Thanks so much, Joey. P.S. I have here some of the prototype cards for you guys to keep. Check back for something. Question. Oh, question. Here we go. And a blind rank and a game of tic-tac-toe.
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You can kick it off. So it seems like you're going to have one. It's a whole element to the pod that's happening. I love it.
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How is it determined who plays in the plate division versus the cup division? Versus the bowl division versus the washing machine division? Basically, it's if it's a plate, plate division, bowl, bowl division. I understand what he's saying with plate and bowl. Because bowl, it's like sometimes if you go to a fancy restaurant, the bowl is... Yeah, a bowl that goes up a little bit. Right?
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I'd say that's a plate. But I don't know.
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And then washing machine, it's probably just like if it's a washing machine.
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uh i'm gonna do mve or it could have been mvt um it's most valuable trophy most valuable trophy experience um i just thought like we parted ways with larry we've obviously posted some of the content we hit him we're like are you good with it he's like yeah no problem um but he was like i do want a pod mention larry said larry and he earned it and he earned it yeah for sure um so yeah we filmed with the larry oh
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If I could do Joey one better, how do we distinguish between plates and Frisbees?
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yeah because well yeah because because like you can serve food on a frisbee you can serve fruit on a frisbee but you can't but you can't throw a plate how do we yeah that's true what do you want me to do i guess frisbee it's got to be throwable i guess if you could put a pbj on it it's a what's a plate is the real like can you put a pbj on it yes then it's a plate but like but then can you throw it i could put a pbj on a table true but can you i don't know is it handheld maybe his plate yeah yeah yeah yeah true
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then he said blind rank BB moments this is going to be tough because it seems like we have like okay a pain incident is the first one it's a taboo subject but but it's like does that go one or five that goes one that goes one first I mean first try bullseye I mean that one it was it was impressive I'll say that it was the most impressive thing I think we've ever done and I don't think it gets the credit that it deserves it gets credit right
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In terms of things we've actually done athletically, that one was f***ing crazy. Even the other day when we were doing the Guinness thing, we were playing darts. We didn't f***ing hit a bullseye first try. That was genuine too. And before we filmed, I hit it for some reason. I don't know what was going on with that. That is crazy. Yeah, that was crazy. Two carrots incident.
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And then it says in parentheses, holding guy on the phone.
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which one was that that one was great i think you just put it in the three probably i think we put it in five okay because it's not as well known not like when he said carrot incident we had to get refreshed true yeah it doesn't it doesn't have uh as iconic of a name you know what's funny that video was great though i would love to watch was that the one with like the student and you yes that was a
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That's crazy. So he just popped up on his app? Just populated.
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So you put that in the five?
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Danny winning Cup Series. Probably four. Four. I mean, what a... The Cup Series... That cold, though, could be one. In terms of biggest TikTok moments, that's number one. Yeah. Not even close. And then microphone incident, that's got to go three. That one was good, too. Some good moments here. And then he just gave us some tic-tac-toe. Looks like he won. So... Congrats on the one.
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He beat us three X's down the diagonal. Should we sign this with like a pen? Should we just sign this? Yeah. He said make sure we let them dry. So these are the ones we can keep.
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Do you want to sign it right now, or should we just wait until after to make sure we sign it?
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By the way, this video is brought to you by Underdog.
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Uh, no, no, not even, not even a little bit.
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Well, that has nothing. We're not biased. Exactly. Like going over on Denver nuggets. We have nothing to do with that.
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yeah that we're just being we're just trying to be removed and just fair here i would say probably less on clipper stuff more on nugget stuff um we i feel like we've talked about it the past couple times we've talked about it uh i talked about underdog i like you can adjust the scores and stuff so you can you can go yokich over like 16 right you could drop away down or yokich under 40 or something which never go under on yoke but uh you can adjust them to make them more favorable which is a really fun thing to
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And like more on like a, like a, maybe like Jamal Murray.
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stat of the day we got oh this is fun i mean you can maybe get this just which 10 fast food restaurants have the best chicken sandwiches chick and yeah and like some of these like chicken popeyes had like two different ones in the top 10 i just took the first 10 restaurants okay chick is in the uh they have in the one And then Popeye's is in the two. In the two. To each their own.
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Uh, just like really cool. I don't even think like in the moment I was like, I think like, it's really cool that, that like Peyton Watson is going to hold that Russell Westbrook is going to hold that this year.
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Something happened to me when I ate a bunch of different chicken sandwiches. I don't know.
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I like it more. I'm telling you, dude. I don't know why. Can I ask you something? Yeah.
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Do we think that maybe a Chick-fil-A worker snuck, like, they swapped him? They got swapped at birth? No. No, dude. It just doesn't make sense to me. I get what you're saying, but it's like, I like it more how it tastes. Does that make sense? It doesn't make sense. I like how the Popeye's one tastes more. Yeah, but it doesn't make sense. Yeah, I don't know. Let's use logic here. Yeah, yeah.
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After that, who even has them? Wendy's? Yeah, Wendy's in the three. There's a couple niche places you won't guess, probably. I think BK has like a... BK's in the six. They got something going.
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Yeah. What, for a BK?
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Yeah. Because we can't escape this in the commercials. And it was ass? Why are you just ass? A chicken sandwich is a chicken sandwich. If you're a fast food restaurant, why don't they sit down and say like, why are we ass? Our food's ass, right?
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It was good, because it was still good. It was good fast food.
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But it just wasn't as good as a chick.
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Gotcha. Yeah, I mean, just run your sex. Yeah, McDonald's in the five. I mean, if they're talking McChicken, it deserves to be in there. Sonic wasn't on there. That's one life. Sonic. Oh. Just try and think of- Yeah, Arby's in the seven. They got one, huh? Theirs is actually good. Really? Yeah, I remember having that one. I got to get out to try that. That one is good. They are underrated.
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He's going to hoist that thing up.
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They got some good stuff going on there. Interesting. Yeah. Am I forgetting about any- There's one big fast food restaurant that you're forgetting. Yes. Big fast food restaurant, huh?
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Yeah, you're forgetting it. Wendy's. Worldwide. Some of the most locations. Wow. Might be like top five in locations. What? What?
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And we're going to say, Hey man, I'm not doing like, I'm saying what you're saying. No, well, I was just saying Russ is going to win the title and lift it up. Or spike it or some shit. He's going to do something. So I think we're saying different things, right? He's going to get that trophy and turn it over. No. But it was cool that we made videos with it. We'll throw some of the Kobe flicks.
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Wendy's, McDonald's, BK. I mean, this will just give it to you, but think like Popeye's vibes.
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KFC, yes. They got a good chicken savvy. And then, yeah, just take a knee or something. Oh, I don't want to. You can guess like Chipotle. White Castle.
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What a burgers in the nine. I think they, they clearly do burgers as their thing, but then they, they got a chicken sandwich. So you have the four and the 10.
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In the four. And just like that, you're in this thing, man. I mean, and this is not unguessable. If you just dig, dig into your bag.
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It's up to you, man.
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I can't tell you, man. I don't even know if they have one. Why don't they have a chicken sandwich? They should. I don't know if they do. It was Carl's Jr. Just kind of stuck on in there. I could have gotten there. Good run.
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Makes no sense. Or just throw tenders. Do tenders in there if you want.
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They should be dominating the chicken sandwich place. You got the chicken. You have the chicken. Oh, they got great chicken. Dude, it does depend, though, on where you are. Yep. Certain states have better canes.
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Yeah, and it's a real thing. When I did a tour, I remember having canes. I was like, this is the best thing ever. And then I remember in Colorado, I'm like, this is not as good.
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It might just be like how much—
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the people care it might be how well they're making it which I think if I'm like 17 and I'm working at Cane's don't care I don't care don't give a fuck why do I care about random guys chicken if I'm 17 you know I just don't I don't yeah we're gonna try this is Saf we're almost through his package this might be our like do we have any left we got maybe a couple left two left but let's just get through the couple that we taste and then we're doing the we're doing the jelly beans where like some of them are puke really not looking forward to that
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9.1. The sour is very poignant. Is that the word? Okay, so we're doing one.
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Poignant? Poignant. Poignant. It's Greek mythology. Moving on. I'm going to call it. Yes. Is that what it was? Damn it, dude. Shit. So were you 1-0 or were you 2-0? Well, so what happened? I'm just saying I got a win there, right? Yeah. So I guess 1-1. So we're 1-1. Yes, dude. So this comes from Sam Meyer. So he gave me three levels. So easier was PBJ.
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Oh, that's too easy. Put a PBJ on a plate. Yeah, that's easy.
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Yeah, I remember that.
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That's pretty easy, too. But very good. Very nice.
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Damn it. I could have been more patient with it. Yeah, I don't know where you're going to work it in, though. I could have. Damn it. All right, so keep those going to Zach. I have to guess him. I love that thing we're doing. I got a blue. I got a blue. What do you want? Whatever. I don't think it's gone. All right, here, I'll give you the pink one.
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I don't like, usually it's like, stop, we're wrapped up, why are you wrapping again?
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Danny, but that looks like a Haichu to me. That looks like a Haichu to me. And do you like Haichu? Yeah, do you not? I don't really eat Haichu. Wow, you've got to try a pink one. Yeah, I didn't get that from mine.
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Oh, that's good, man. Frutella. Yeah, get pink frutellas if you want something really good. It's kind of like a Laffy Taffy vibe, but good as fuck. Whatever was going on in there. I'm going to give that an 8.3. Let's do the bamboozled jelly beans. Let's just do it until somebody gets bamboozled. So yeah, we're doing, these are called Bean Boozled.
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So there's good flavors of jelly beans here, and then somebody's going to get hit with liver and onions or old bandage. Old bandage is so disgusting. I don't want to eat that at all. But you might get hit with toasted marshmallow. Stinky socks.
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So we're playing bean roulette. So we'll eat the bean, and you tell me if you got Bean Boozled. And let's do it where you don't even look at it.
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So I'm going to go. So don't even look at it. Close your eyes. I mean, it doesn't matter. I guess I'll look the same, too. All right. So Zach's going to go first. We're going to see if he gets Bean Boozled. That feels like I'm going to get Bean Boozled right now, dude. Oh, these. Ew. Smell in there. It's not like too much of it.
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Well, yeah. Yours was like you were like... I don't know what you were, like, it was like Calvin Klein.
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I've been Beanboozled. I've been Beanboozled. Okay, I'm not even going to have to play.
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I didn't get Beanboozled.
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What did it taste like? Smell that. Smell it in there. Smell it in there for a second.
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I didn't even have to compete.
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They're all bad?
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It was either birthday cake or dirty dish water. You got dirty dish, huh? But if it was birthday cake, I would have been ecstatic. Oh, that's crazy, too.
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This is for if you're like 10 years old. You play this with your friends. Yeah, but when somebody gets bean boozled, it's no fun. I'll tell you that. So I didn't even compete. I'm sorry they got bean boozled. Can you finish without the pot or no? That was no fun, man. I'm sorry about that, man.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
So you didn't like that Saff Santos? You didn't like that? No.
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Okay. Because why? Because you didn't like it? Because I got bean boozled. Okay, yeah.
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I was in a crazy bag.
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Nah.
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I'm digging way in. Grab your random one. Go to the back and see what it could be. Dude, this box smells. Booger or Juicy Pear? Oh, my God, dude. Booger is terrible, bro. If you get Bean Boozled, can you swallow it real quick? Yeah, you can. Did you spit it out? I'll just spit it out. I'm scared. Did you get Bean Boozled? You would know if you got Bean Boozled. I got Juicy Pear. Wow.
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And it's good. Tastes like a juicy pear. That's good.
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Yeah, it's like you're too dialed.
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I don't. We went through a really bad experience.
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Let's just move on.
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Yeah, we've heard from Tom. Tom Donahue, this has to be Tom Donahue's third, fourth appearance here. Yeah, we've heard from Tom many a time. Yes.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we'll throw a couple of them up. But it was crazy, man.
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So wait, we're keeping two scores? We just get one score? We're super scoring, though. Okay, so it's like we each do frame one, frame one. And then, so bowl one, bowl one. It's like I hit eight, you hit six. We use mine with eight? Yes. Okay, and then we both try to hit the two. Yes.
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I think, you know the thing with bowling too, though, is like a six-year-old could do damage if he's got the talent. Like it's like, he could just use a lighter.
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Lighter ball and then just kind of stripe it down the middle. I think it's a close game.
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Because they're putting up like the best ball in the world is like nine strikes a game, maybe ten.
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And I got starstruck. Did you?
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You just don't think it has the pop?
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Oh, no bumpers. But they have the skill of a pro bowler. So if you lighten the ball, they're going down the gut. And they're like this tall and they're going like this. I think they're winning. I do. I don't think so. You just don't think they have the pace. But you don't need that much pace to strike. You've seen like Liv gets a strike.
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A little bit. Like when I first saw it. I was kind of like... Just because of like where I've seen the Larry. Like I've seen the Larry in Steph's hands, LeBron's hands. What you've seen Larry do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, that...
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That's true. The ball weighs 10 pounds. That's 25% of them. Yeah, you're right. I just don't think they have the... They have the prestige. The question is, do they have the force? You think no. I think they could do enough. Really?
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I think the better question is, can they get it to the pins? Oh, come on. Oh, come on now. I'm just saying, Danny. The ball weighs... That would be like if the ball... No, but they're going to go down and ball. They're going to use like a seven-pounder or something.
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They have the skill to fucking whip it in.
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I'm going to go on the six-year-old.
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one comes from taryn gale what's up taryn gale would it really though let's get again would it really though i'd like to think so yeah because i believe in the world yeah like in a perfect world i like to think so but he's taking more of a like analytical like read it again would it would it really though so he's just taking emotion out of it and just saying let's look at this
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He's saying thoughts don't care about your feelings. Right. And people will. Who is this? This is this is Terran Gale. Yeah. And people are like, he's like he's like heartless. No, he's just looking at the facts. He's saying what. And with the facts here, I know we all want it to. Would it really, though? And look, we were talking with our hearts. We think, yes, think about it. Do the math.
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You have a pen and paper. Yeah, just calculator? Yeah. So he said, would it really though? Do the math on that. Don't think emotionally.
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Right, but then yeah, that's where the blind faith comes in, right?
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That's what this comes down to. And I'm going to believe in love and say it would. But I can understand...
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Yes.
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This is like... I can't believe we haven't talked about this yet. Yeah. We've done shit like this too, like just before this was a big thing.
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Yeah, I was in a gorilla fight. We did win. We did win. But the thing is, I think the biggest factor is like... Nobody wants to get fucking hit by this gorilla. If we're asking this, if it's not a hypothetical and it's real, the gorilla wins. Because who is going to be the guy that goes and just... Because in order to do it, you all got to charge maybe. And then like 20 people are getting flung.
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I've seen it. And I've seen the clips and the leaks. But I haven't seen it. I haven't met him in person, though. Right. And I'm like, oh, whoa. Yeah. Yeah. That's the Larry. Yeah. That has all the leaks. Yeah. Huge. In person. Huge. I'm going to be honest. Because people are like, his face, I don't get it. He's not even that good looking in the face. Girls like tall. He's tall and strong.
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And then maybe... But I think in any case, you probably lose. Maybe... So how about it's 100 people and you either beat the gorilla or the gorilla beats you and you all die. I guess that's kind of what it is.
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But it's life or death. Yeah, yeah. So then maybe... Yeah, but nobody wants to be the first guy to just go up to the gorilla.
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Yes.
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Correct.
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So maybe everybody comes... You do a circle of 100 and everybody runs at him? At once? But I don't think... I'm, I've, I've been team gorilla the whole time. I want to believe in the humans, but I know I'm team gorilla too. I'm just trying to think of like how it could work for me.
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I know. I know.
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Yeah.
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He doesn't have the strength.
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The punches just aren't going to cut through.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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What about 100 UFC fighters?
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Because they're the most dangerous men on the planet.
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I don't know. But they know how to hurt people. So maybe it's like you have Jon Jones, Ilya, Volk. Dude, that's the question. Fucking... And they know how to dodge. I think in 100 UFC fighters, I'm taking them. And they're not afraid of shit. They are willing to die for that shit. Yes, I think that's the better... And you think they win it? I do. I want to see it, man.
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You think they would sanction it? Probably not, right? What do you think? Dana would do any... I probably, probably not like now, but I think, I mean, give it a couple of years. Maybe the laws loosen up a little bit. Maybe, maybe do it in Saudi Arabia. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're getting a million each or something.
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A million each. Yeah. I'd do that. I mean, that, that's, that's the real fight, I think.
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It's like us with like, like mice. Yes. You just fucking do that and they're gone. But, but a hundred mice all coming at us. I beat 100 mice. Right, but if they're all on you, like, you never know. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. Like, if you had 100... If you had 100 mice all in a circle... But no, but mice are tiny. Yeah, so what would it have to be? Like, little cats. Cats get you.
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Cats would get you. Cats would get me. 100 house cats that are all fucking clawing at you, I think they get you. Yeah, they do.
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Crucial game five, yes. We're going to punch after that game. Probably punch tomorrow.
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That's a good fight. Yes.
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I'm excited.
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Are you overhyping it? I'm excited. Let's hear it.
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Yeah, thanks, Max.
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No, there's actually been, Zach, like an outpouring, like Spotify too.
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Mater.
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Thank you so much. That stuff, seriously, like, yeah, thank you so much for writing in. Yeah, just the outpouring of love, Zach, has been cool. Because I was scared, right? I thought we were going to lose a lot of audience. For sure. I'm just trying to see if there's anybody else. There were a couple.
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I will say, you forget that the people that are holding it are giants. Yes. It is true. They make it look smaller. Sarah holding it, it looks like it's her size.
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Yeah, thank you.
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Right, 100%. And I just want it to be like a ripple. Right, a ripple for other people. Like we have C. Peterson, he said, so brave of Danny to talk about SES in the open like that. Many of us fellow sticks with SES live in the shadows with this condition. I feel rebirthed by Danny's braveness. Rebirth. Rebirth. I mean, listen to what these sticks are saying.
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I actually think Van Vliet said something about it, too. Incredible.
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But, yeah, thank you guys. Thank you guys for being so cool about it. It was scary. I called Zach after the pod. I was like, we shouldn't air it. I said we should leave that out. And I said, no, this is your moment. Yep, you said that. Dalton was really cool about it. Sarah told me to leave it in. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
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dad i know dad yeah i called him too he said he said we leave it in yeah um brett van vliet i have ses and i'm just like anyone else in fact i'm stronger because of it yes and he is and he is man he is and he is we love van vliet man um so yeah thank you guys this one comes from jack brally he says when do you guys think when do you boys think i should break the news to my boy that i think his shoes are stupid
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Sounds like he has a theater fish. Yeah, which, you know, it's fine. He's a dude that wants his fish to play sports.
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Right here, right here.
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Cookies. Two cookie fans right here. Cookies. It sounds like he's like a nerd fish. That's fine.
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He's got a lame son. I know. That's not why he's here. He was kind of just trying to like relate and be like. Right, but isn't that pathetic? Really, man? Back me up. Back me up.
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What was the question?
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I don't know. That's a tough spot. I like those shoes. Those are loud shoes, right? If I hated those, what would I do? I don't know, dude. Like, if you were wearing those...
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like that uh type of shoe but it was like pink and had polka dots on it like do i say something to you well we were in a spot where i think if i was wearing a a pink polka dotted shoe you would think that like somebody some stick put me up to it it's like funny yeah and you would be like this is something for the pod which our brains are kind of broken in that sense dude everything that happens now it's just like funny
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No, it's tall. Yeah. So it's half of her. And it's around 30 LBs. So it's half of Sarah's height. But then when Nicola Jokic holds it, you're like, that just looks like a trophy.
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Yeah.
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So we're in a different spot. And then you'd be like, no. And then that's when you'd be like, oh, that hurts my feelings.
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F*** you. Why do you think they're stupid? You know, it's like.
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Right. And then you tell them.
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If it's like Healy's, though, and people say, fuck them, then fuck them. Because Healy's are sweet.
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So it's really a judgment call, Jack. It really is. For sure. Just feel it out. It looks like we have a coach reaching out. He just wants to, I think he's networking. Maybe he wants to work with Scott. Oh, interesting. He said, hello, BB pod. I am Blair Beller for an agent at BB agency. We help young fish much like Scott.
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Make it to the league. He said, we have helped Dan Marlino, Nicola Joe fish, Mike trout. and other developing a brand if you're interested. Oh, so it's NIL stuff. Oh, so you want to... We got the NIL stuff. If you're interested in partnership, we've heard Scott struggle and would love to help. Thank you for your time.
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Jokic holding that is us holding a normal trophy. Exactly. It's a perfect. So maybe that's why they make it so big. Yeah. I mean, that actually would make sense. Like these guys are big. Let's make them a normal size trophy. I actually can't wait to see that in, in Nicole. I know it is going to be really, we're going to be like, we held that first and I'm going to be like, that feels right.
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Thanks, but no thanks. We don't need help on that side. No, we're good. Get your fucking... Get your grimy... Yeah, your slimy, money-hungry shit. You're trying to steal from me?
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yeah you know what no and f**k you yeah and get lost yeah get lost bozo get lost okay yeah hit the road hit the road man not our fish scott we got you man we got you all right we can finish with this here we got jack uh he said this is interesting he said how many overtimes would an nba game have to go into for you to a so we'll start with a here turn the tv off
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So let's say it's the Nuggets Clippers tonight. Like, it's a big game that is important, right? Like, this is the biggest game of the year.
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Yeah, let's say. Nuggets Clippers game five. Yeah, like, it's not just, like, Kings, Celtics, 20th game of the regular season. Nuggets Clips, game five. How many overtimes for you to turn the TV off? Turn this TV off. Turn this TV off.
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Yeah, it's got to go, like, into the morning, I think. Yeah. Like, I think we're pulling an all-nighter. It would be like at a point where I just, I like literally, it's like, like, like we keep going up by three and Jim just like keeps tying it up.
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And like, it's just, it's just not. Yeah. So 30 overtimes for, yeah. For me to turn the TV off. I would say, yeah. Like when, so a game starts at seven, like I'd be done by seven. So like 10 hours worth of overtimes. But at what point do like 12 hours worth of overtimes? I mean, that's such a stupid, why don't we go by tens with time? Whatever. But at what point,
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like at what overtime are you starting to be like i can't turn the tv off because i want to like tell my kids i watch this game so it might be more like 80 overtime i think you probably turn it off at 30 turn it back on at like 50 but i don't think you really ever turn it up like i'm saying do you watch for a year no do you watch for a month dude i think i might watch forever
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But we have shit to do. I know, but I'm like, I think the world would stop. And the world would be like, dude, they're on overtime 180. Yeah. So you would watch until you die? I think maybe, let's say 100. Let's say 100 overtimes. Okay. And then the next one is to be convinced it will never end. The thing is, every time you're reset and it's five minutes, you're never going to think it's now.
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You're always like, this is the one. Every single time I would say this is the one. For my whole life.
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I don't think I would ever be convinced. Yes. And then he said, go Clippers. Bad way to end that. Go Nuggets. Go Nuggets. Big game five. We'll punch the news on that. But, yeah. Go Nuggets. All right. Great win, man. Fantastic win. He's not in for this portion, unfortunately. He didn't do anything? Well, no. That didn't do anything.
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It feels like I honestly, I mean, we're one of those since, since we held the trophy.
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He's naked right now.
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I know. But, yeah. Great win, man. And it was just like a... It's just like a smooth, like we just like we're winning the whole game and won and held off the runs and won the basketball game. And Danny, it's been all year.
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Yeah, dude, if Jamal does that, that's what I just said to you at the court. I think, how many times does he have to do it a series? A couple times a series, he drops a 37-bomb. That was his highest playoff total, wasn't it?
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No, I think he's had a fifth. No, he has one bubble score. Other than that, that's it. I mean, listen, so that was his second highest playoff performance ever. I don't know, but it wasn't anything out of the ordinary for a playoff Jamal Murray.
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We are. Yeah.
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Looks great. I'm just going to always just stay on his train. He's going to do that sometimes. Sometimes he's going to lose us games. I'm just going to stay on the train.
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Yeah, but he's on our team. So it's like, I'm just going to be like, this is our guy. This is our guy this year.
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There's no way Adam is like, that's what we want today. I mean, it worked. He was shooting the ball. If he shoots a couple threes and makes them, keep doing it.
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I'm just saying if you take two threes and you're 0 for 2, just only shoot three shots at him if you're Russ.
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But if you make two, like the right play was for us to take 14 yesterday.
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But I think he is also a key to the title, really.
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It's like if we can click all— We just had like a third fucking almost like an all-star candidate.
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He was like the best player on the court kind of.
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Just really confusing stuff. But it's like— Draining threes.
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Yeah. No. Yeah. Cause he even did a mini version of that in the game where I think he was like doing well offensively. And then he had the play where he just like, Oh, when he, when he, uh, the last shot of the game. Yeah.
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Well, cause for a second, he's like, I'm our best option. So he like was like doing this and then he just lost it. Yeah.
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Yeah. I'm excited to talk to them. Same. I'm excited to talk like tomorrow. They'll be like, these guys are so dumb. We're saying shit about the game and we don't know. And they're like,
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I think it's just, Whoa. If you're Adelman, you got to just go like short leash policy because like it, like Russ needed to play that game.
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needed to but also like if we played him zero like who like the game wouldn't have gone that way but if he if he's playing for five minutes and he's 0 for 4 and turns it over three times maybe just like pull him but then maybe the next play he's like really good it's so confusing it's so it is like it's honestly like as a coach I think this is the hardest it's the hardest guy to coach because sometimes he's quite literally the best player on the court yesterday he was he was like he we don't we and like it's like probably still win the game but like we don't
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Like, I wonder what, like, his plus minus was. Probably, like, so high yesterday.
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Yeah, that's crazy.
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Yoke didn't even play that good.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
13-10-12. But, like, four for 13 is not Yoke. Four for 13 is not Yoke.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Yeah, Russ just played 25 really efficient minutes. Incredible game. Eight for 15, 21 points, three for six, didn't miss a free throw. Oh, so he's just a scorer. He only had one board, one dime. And his plus minus was great. That was a great find. And his plus minus was up at minus four.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Yeah, so it was up.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
I think he just played a lot of non-yoke minutes maybe.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Because in all the starters, like plus 18, 17, 18, 34, 13. Yeah, it's just Danny. MPJ plus 34. Wow. Whoa. So that means that he played the Yoke minutes, and then he played in the shifts where they played well in the second unit.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
uh i don't think like i really feel like after we won game four we're kind of in the mindset you're like we're gonna beat them in six or maybe seven like we're kind of like we got this i don't think uh we're at home i think the clips are gonna go up a little bit in the first quarter um i know but i think it's just gonna be like weird like james hardens is hot or something or fucking jim it's jim
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
You don't want to... Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying. I'm just like... I'm just going to be like, Russ is our guy and that's it.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
But you can't... It's like... Yeah, you don't... I get why you don't want to get too high because it's like he might like literally force a game seven.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Yeah, and then maybe he does that again next round, and then against the Seas, he goes for 28 in the final for some reason.
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
If he can just do that 13 more times, that could be the answer to an NBA championship.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
I'm going to watch those games. Dude, the Lakers are just... The Lakers win and then lose. They win and then Twitter's like, if LeBron comes back here, where does this put him? In all-time playoff guys. And then they just lose game six. I think they just kind of win tonight for some reason.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Yeah, and they're the type of guys that just kind of make it seem like they're coming back, and then they just kind of lose.
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
They were just kind of hanging out.
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
So who do you think wins? Do you think Lakers get one? I hope so. Yeah.
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
I will say, like— Gentlemen's sweep would be tough. I would be really, really... I wouldn't like that.
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
And Luka didn't look good at the end of the last game. He did not. He looked bad defensively and just not... He looked like what Nico was saying.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Nico's got to be rooting so hard against Luka.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
And by the way, your team sucks now.
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Yeah. Um, I got the warriors closing.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
That's a great series, by the way. For some reason, I watched all of game five.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Or was it game four? Game four. I've fallen in love with that team again. I've fallen in love with Draymond. So hilarious to watch.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Kicking guys again. How many times have guys had five fouls, a flagrant, and a tech in a game standing there? Probably not a lot of times.
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Like Dennis Rodman. Yeah. Jimmy and Dylan was awesome. I love – I just – I like – that team's awesome. I do think – like, I want – I need them to beat the Wolves. I don't know if we can handle the Wolves in the conference finals. Oh, yeah. I don't know if they can beat the Wolves. Listen, we're still not even out of the woods. No, we're not. We're not at all. Clips are really good at basketball.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Do you think the Warriors close it, or do you think – The Rockets are really good. That's a great – I like that series, man.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
It makes me so encouraged about us beating the Thunder because the Rockets are better than the Warriors. Then the playoffs come, they're just worse than the Warriors now. Yeah, the Warriors added Jimmy, so they're better than they were.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
It's Jim Harden. I think they kind of get hot, and then I think we kind of just weather the storm. And then I think in the second half, we pull away. We win by 13. I mean, that would be the best way to win, honestly.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
And then the Rockets just are really good in the regular season. Everyone's like, they're going to lose because they're young and don't know. And then they just lose because they're young and don't know how to win. Exactly. It is very encouraging.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Oh, and then imagine we beat the Thunder and then Warriors beat Wolves and we just play the Warriors, just beat them in five. But then even then I'm like, okay, now I'm scared of the Warriors because they have all that experience. They have Jimmy, Steph, and Dre. It's a lot of experience.
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They're so wise. They're so locked. Dre is so funny, dude. I love him. He is so hilarious. Dude, I would love if he was a Denver Nugget next year. Oh, dude, he's a great piece. He's like a way better version of Russell Westbrook. Yeah, because he doesn't ever try to do too much. But he also shoots and air balls. Yeah, but that one year he scored a little more because he knew they needed scoring.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
But yeah, he kind of has a bag a little bit. That one year, I don't know what year that was, but he had a really nice bat. He did. I think it went for 25. I think game seven he scored like 30 or something. Maybe not 30. He had a legit offensive bat. Maybe he was good. Yeah. Yeah, that's it for Nuggets Punch. Great win. We'll probably go to six at this point.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
So six will be tonight, then, when it comes out. Yeah, so let's hope we take care of it. I don't want to go to seven. Not in round one. Let's just not do that.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
What, time off? Do they give us time off? But the Thunder are already through. I guess, yeah, how does it work if, like, do they have a set date? I feel like they should.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Like, sometimes it might get physical. Well, I guess it depends on the result. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, we might throw – if we lose, like, somebody's getting punched. Somebody may be on the Nuggets. One of us might get into a fight. A wall, a Scott. Right. Yes, Scott.
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
If we win in six, you should give us what game seven would have been. Yeah, I don't know, though. Yeah, I'd assume you have to, right? Oh, also, the Giannis with Halliburton's dad. That was out of control.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Imagine, like, we're in the NBA and Pops is, like, doing that to Steph. Dude. It's like, dude, don't do that. Also, like... how is he just allowed to be on the court? And he was just like holding the jersey. Is that what he was doing?
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Really? It's like an unfair spot for Giannis to be in. Dude, I think he should have just choked him or something. Yeah, yeah. Physically asserted dominance over him. Yeah, the guy's just in your grill. Who do you think you are? What the f**k? I think everybody would have respected it. Do you think Halliburton saying, like, my dad was wrong, would you have done that?
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
We could just no-catch, beat them by 20. What do you think? I think we weather an early storm, and then we beat them by 13.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
It's a tough spot to not back your pops there. But it's kind of like in a footy game, if our dad started fighting with another parent, it's like, what the f**k are you doing? Yeah, I wouldn't have backed Pops. Yeah, you can't. I would have thrown him right under the bus.
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
He said my dad was wrong.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Dad, stop. After your moment, your big moment, too. Dad, you're embarrassing me.
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
It's crazy. Crazy at the NBA level that happened. The pop. The dad. The player's dad.
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
It is. Mayhem after the game. Yeah. Pathetic. That's all we got. That's it.
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
So it's like, I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be that surprised if we lose game five, win game six, win game seven. Yeah.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
But I think that's why I'm almost doing a mini version of that where mini version of like lose first quarter.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
You know what I mean?
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
I think, I think we win. Nuggets win by 13, but it's kind of close. And then we like pull away late. I would love that. I think we just win by one.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Yeah, it's... Yes, I agree. Several finals may be good. But it's like we're even basketball teams, but we have the best player in the league. So then you kind of bet on that team. Yes, we got the edge there. The Clips were the favorites. That's crazy. Probably still are. That is crazy. Yeah, they probably are.
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Most Valuable Feature is going to be the Autodrive on the Tesla. No, it's just Garages. Uh, like parking garages. Yeah.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
It's really awesome to have that. Yeah.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Yeah, dude.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
No, it doesn't.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
I've had it. I'll have it once in a while when I'm getting into here, when I'm getting into my garage, I'm like, Oh man. But if, but then you just tell him to move this move. But if nobody's in the car, then what do you do? You just, you just, you just get f***ing, you just fume. You get, you fume. You have to fume. You fume, but you're not even... Like, who were you fuming at?
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Fictional or, like, imaginary image of the guy. Exactly. And then he pulls up and then you're like, I'm not mad.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
So you didn't... So did you, like, just, like, go back inside or something until...
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
And it was.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
That would have sucked if it wasn't.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Yeah, dude, garages are dope. The orange stereo garage, I love. I've talked to Sarah about this. I don't know if I've talked to you, but I love empty. It's the mall garage. Yes. And I love empty garages where there's usually a million people. So I go in that garage. It's the mall garage where like if it's 2 p.m., you can't find a spot. If it's 7 a.m., there's every spot and you just park in there.
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Never. Right, Scott? We would never do that, right, Scott?
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
No, I go, I park and I go up an escalator. Kind of, actually. Yeah, I mean, I walk straight up. It is just, it just feels, it's just the best.
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
LV, we already touched on this actually last episode. Just a least valuable arena. Least valuable arena. Yeah. Crypto? Or whatever it's called. Intuit? Intuit.
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
We haven't awarded the LV yet.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Scott. You were asking him for it, Scott.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
You know what? We're going to rip on it. I got my qualms off. A couple of good things. Nice arena. I like your buttons on the chairs. I like your buttons on the chairs. And I love your club section. Now let's talk about all the fucking stupid stuff going on.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
His thing is not qualm.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Yes, it should be like maybe if you're a season ticket holder, you have to get it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Or you don't have to get it. You can get it if you want for purpose.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Dude, being a f***ing mandatory thing. It's so ridiculous. So if, yeah, if you're not like registered and have like face ID and shit, you have to wait in a long line. Nobody's registered. It takes like, you get there and you're like waiting for like 30 minutes to enter the arena.
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Scott's like, he hasn't stopped moving all day. Which is awesome. I think he's just getting a lot of calories and he's just like, I'm going to burn these bitches. Yeah, because we've been feeding him twice. We're trying to put him on a bulk. But yeah, he looks good. I think he looks a little bit bigger. He's just eating the vent right now.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
dude i'm gonna what was the i'm gonna flip my lid yeah i'm gonna but then but and so that and then you get in and i i can't just buy this oh i can't just buy this beer oh my god are you like my cards here they're like no but it's also like i don't think like anybody really i don't i don't know i just don't know who that benefits maybe maybe like they're trying to get you if they're like you don't even know you're paying for that you feel like it's free that might be the strategy
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
I think once you have it and you don't have to do anything, it's, that's their idea. They're like this guy, you can literally go and grab a beer and walk out and you bought it. Like, that's cool.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
You know what? This is a great system. The, the fucking walk through with your card or whatever. Cool system. Cool system.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
And that's not annoying. Everybody has a card. You just do it and you walk through. Don't understand how it works. Don't care. That actually is crazy though. How does that work? Don't know. Like, if I walk behind you and I'm like, I'm with him, it, like, works somehow. But I have my card in my pocket. And then the other thing we didn't touch on with that Intuit dome, it is...
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
extremely loud very loud but it's not real yeah they pump noise or did that or is it the acoustics like project it more i don't know what i don't really understand how it works but it's not real i know that like they say that they pump noise but i'm listening when you say it's not real are you saying like they're pumping audio or they're like they're like turning up like they could be bringing it into speakers and turning it up
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
I don't know how it's working.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Yeah, that's sad for real.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Yeah, I would just want to know what they mean by pumping noise. Are they fucking going YouTube to MP3, like downloading and playing crowd noise?
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Or is it their acoustics? I don't know what that means.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
You can make it where it's more echoey and it's going to be louder.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
yes like you can or you can make it where like like the sound is like more like i don't know like studios and shit do like stuff where it can be louder or quieter or whatever it could be that i i just don't know um but with that being said i do think we just go to game six oh yeah if we if we're gonna if we can win because the argument is even if we lose we have it could be our last time seeing this this core yeah for sure
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Definitely. MPJ is so the guy. And then it could even be Jamal Murray, which I would probably shed tears if Jamal left. Oh my God. That would be awesome. Oh my God. And he's just like on like the fucking... He's like playing for the Mavericks.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
I can't do that. That's disgusting. He's just playing for a different team. Yeah. So that was your LV. Yes. LV, I'm going to go to least valuable smell I've ever smelled. And we're talking to you, Scott. I don't know what you're doing in there. I don't know what you're smoking. I know you're hitting like some sort of pen all the time. I know you swim.
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
We've told you to go to your taco to go to the bathroom. You swim with turds coming out of you. But when we cleaned his tank, there was like five seconds where I almost vomited. It's the worst thing I've ever smelled in my entire life by far. And you said you caught a small whiff of it.
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Scott's in the bowl, fish in the dish. We'll send Dalton a little content. And there was five seconds where Danny was not laughing. I was like... He was like, that was so disgusting. So f***ing disgusting. Borderline. We're borderline actually like angry at Scott. Yes, dude. It's the worst thing I had ever smelled. And you can't describe it. What is it? Why did it smell like that? So bad.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
I don't know. It's like fish. I guess the mixture of the food and the shit, maybe? Yeah, and fish I don't think smell good by nature. Well, fish smelled like fish, though. That didn't smell like fish. No, it smelled like you're in a sewer. It smelled like something I've never smelled before, really. Like maybe what a dead animal would smell like.
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
But I'm just saying the shock factor of that smell.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Regardless? Regardless love? Unconditional. Unconditional love, yeah. We love him unconditionally unless he doesn't go to college for football. So it's pretty much no matter what. So there's no conditions here. Other than football, so unconditional. Yeah. And then we got, so what we got? MVLV, Rook, Confesh, Stat, Q, Standard. Yes, very standard. Are we competing?
The Bread Basket Podcast
We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
He's in his taco.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
Yeah, he's trying to eat his taco. He's probably high. He's trying to eat the taco.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
He does drugs in the taco?
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
He can't get in there. Yeah. He rips bong in there.
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We Hang Out With Larry O, Sign Our First Trading Cards, And Q’s From The Sticks
We're getting so many fucking messages, too, about, like, Scott beat the shit out of me, Scott bit me, Scott kicked me. Liv, I was actually just on the phone with Liv, our sister. Liv comments on Flippant's content. Did you see that? Well, she said... She commented nice digs on his video. Or on his picture, I mean.
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Oh yeah. Go to his Insta.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Postgame Show: 4.97 Is a Black 5 (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Juju seemed very proud of his rating. I'm proud of my rating. You should be. Juju, why do you think it's important to have a high Uber rating? Because I know why I think it's important.
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You serious? And that's so... I am conscious of that, and I also believe that it's a reflection on my character, so I'm extra nice. Juju is not even conscious of it. He's just so nice, generally, that he ends up. So I'm extra nice because I want my rating to be good because I do believe it's a reflection on the type of person I am.
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Oh, it's cool to say I don't give a damn.
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Postgame Show: 4.97 Is a Black 5 (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Okay, I'm not going to put you in that spot. You're out here being defensive. You care.
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Postgame Show: 4.97 Is a Black 5 (feat. JuJu Gotti)
I don't care. I promise.
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Postgame Show: 4.97 Is a Black 5 (feat. JuJu Gotti)
All right, time to close out this show. I feel good about it. I'm not going to be the one to make the verdict, but it's not completely over yet. But just in case the game is closer than I think it was, we got the closer in here. Juju Gotti with that fly-ass jersey on. What's up, big dawg?
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That's definitely a black five.
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Postgame Show: 4.97 Is a Black 5 (feat. JuJu Gotti)
5.97 with tattoos, sunglasses, and dreads? Are you serious? They are automatically docking you. You work your way up from that three. You sit down with a three. You sit down with a three, and you leave with a five. Man, Juju. They almost gave that man his car.
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Postgame Show: 4.97 Is a Black 5 (feat. JuJu Gotti)
They love Juju so damn much. That's nuts.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Postgame Show: 4.97 Is a Black 5 (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Way to expand the league.
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Postgame Show: 4.97 Is a Black 5 (feat. JuJu Gotti)
He's everyone.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Postgame Show: 4.97 Is a Black 5 (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Let's do awards for the show. But first of all, we're looking at that picture of Taylor. He looks like we are the world. Like, I feel like... Every time you put that picture up, I hear this song in my head.
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Taylor, UN Taylor. Oh, my gosh. All right, let's do some show awards. I want to kick off the first one. You know, Hawk, when you have a real big good game by the team, everybody gets a game ball. So I want to give a game ball to the entire team in here, out there, ship container. Everyone in the video room, congratulations, Juju. Game ball for everybody. Way to go, y'all.
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You was on top of it in the video room. Every time I called for some video, boom, popped up. No hesitation.
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Oh, yeah. Way to go. Nah, we're not doing that. Way to go.
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Oh! Charlie and the vanilla snack.
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It sounds pretty good. It's not tight enough. Jerry Rice had it things. Skin tight.
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Way to show up. Way to show up. He was there. I would like to give an award to the man behind Taylor, who somehow vision is so bad that that man got to wear glasses to run track. Jason is his name, I believe. Shout out to Jason. Jason. I can't see them lines.
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He's still in the throwback era. Yeah, I love it. I like that. That's what's up, man.
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He said... Hey, I'm Jason. I'm going to run this 800-meter relay behind. Look at Taylor. Look at Taylor. In the nose, out the mouth.
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I want to give an award to Hawk. He was quarterback friendly today. Every time I needed it, Hawk was open. Anytime I got tripped up, drop it to Hawk. He's going to get us four or five yards off that thing, keep the sticks rolling.
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Somebody called me Michael Jordan on the street yesterday anyway.
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That's exactly what happened. I don't know. I was tired yesterday, so maybe my eyes were like Hennessy Brown, so they was conned. They were cognac-tinted. I had cognac-tinted eye whites, and they were like, oh.
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You don't got to defend yourself if you got a 9-7. There's a lot of people around here putting together arguments to defend themselves, and 9-7 is great. I was just excited because I got a .9. .9-0 I thought was great. I thought I was crushing everybody in here, but we got like four people that are higher than me, right? Four or five people? Yeah. We got a nice crew, man.
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Oh, give me. Ringo. Where's Fat Rob? Hit us with a little Ringo.
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We had a day to prepare.
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This is a tough rubber match. My number two not going to show up. But we're going to get it done. I got to figure some things out. Charlie, we'll figure some things out. Call in some reinforcements.
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I'm going to prepare better for the interviews. I'm going to write the whole damn interviews out. You guys don't know how crazy I am. I was sick last night for how bad we lost.
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I'm going to get drunk tonight. We out.
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Like, there's a lot of nice guys around here.
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That's right. It's Thursday Thunder, and it's brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. Juju, what do we got today?
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Postgame Show: The Double Standard For Men?
But the show started yesterday, apparently, with a scene with two actors I hold in very high regard. I love Walton Goggins. But another actor, an Academy Award winning actor, shared a scene with him. And he appears to be a full-fledged member of the cast now. And this was not announced. This was a surprise. And there was like 20 minutes of shared time to lead off this episode.
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I guess when American football ends, everyone just assumes the sporting calendar slows down. This is a niche sport lollapalooza. I mean, I was locked in. I had to have four screens yesterday. There's so many things going on, so many events I want to be at. Say you're watching the NBA and you see Larry David and Stephen A. Smith touching wood and you're like, I want to touch some wood.
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And I think I may be in. How do you feel about surprise cast members?
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Is Jason Isaacs a good guy or a bad guy in this show? He's a pill popper. But is he a good guy or a bad guy?
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I can never root for Jason Isaacs. There are certain roles that actors play that they are never gonna break the stigma associated with that character. Patriot. I mean, dude is a metal stand scumbag. Just pure evil. Do you know how hard it is for me to watch a movie and you're sharing scenes with Mel Gibson and I'm like, you're the asshole.
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Well, let me tell you somebody that can help you touch that wood. GameTime. The GameTime app. Yeah, you could see what the courtside seats would look like. I'm sure it's not too hard to imagine, but you could also see what your seats look like from the 400 level or 300 level. Any seat in the house. You have panoramic seat views thanks to the GameTime app. Create an account. Use code DAN.
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You're worried about Walton, right? You don't want to call him Walter? Is that what it is? I can't just use his last name?
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Get $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Download GameTime today. You get last-minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed, and I swear by this app, this is what I use. One of my favorite bands is in town this weekend. I'm going to be using GameTime to get some pit tickets and watch Deftones. College tournaments going. So many things going on. Homestead's in town.
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Miami people, if you haven't used the promo code DAN to save yourself some cash, go ahead and do it. One of the things that didn't make my screen last night was White Lotus. I've kind of checked out on this. Whoa, that's it? No, I haven't watched a single one, nor have I shown any interest in watching it because everybody told me that the season started a little slower.
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I did watch last season, but I also joined In Progress, and I was kind of waiting for word of mouth to get to a point where I wanted to take part in the social commentary and not miss out. And a lot of people feel strongly about White Lotus. I know we got a lot of fans here, so I'm not going to give anything away.
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Yeah. That was... That was disrespectful. That is very regretful. Well, the good news is coming up next on our show, we have Fatou Baf and the Black Girls Hockey Club, and we are going to celebrate the end of Black History Month with her. Coming up next.
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This is the last day of Black History Month. And to celebrate, we're going to talk about black girls in hockey. All right. Yes, we have the board. We have a member of the board of directors of the Black Girl Hockey Club for two bar. And I just want to go over what you guys do to expand the sport of hockey and especially the black community and especially for black women.
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I have a daughter. Her name is Claire.
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Princess Claire. She is a black girl and she tried hockey for free last week. Can you convince me that her future is bright as a hockey fan and even potentially a future hockey player?
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You got to stay safe, man. Wouldn't you? I would. I would be throwing out F-bombs, too.
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Why exactly are you a Capitals fan?
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I mean, what are we doing with Jordan Bennington here?
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This week is the 130th anniversary of the creation of the Colored Hockey League of the Maritimes, which is based out of Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island. This league was created 14 years prior to the National Hockey Association and 22 years prior to the National Hockey League. Wow. And 60 years prior to Willie O'Ree's first game with the Boston Bruins.
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Now, a lot has changed since then, obviously. We've got a women's league now, as we mentioned. Yeah. But as far as demographics are concerned for players and for front office, which skews heavily white, do you think there is any progression or regression or stagnation in diversity and inclusion in the National Hockey League right now?
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Yeah, that's going to make Rose happy.
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So no more banana throwing then?
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Thank you. Go ahead and play it again. Yeah, play it again. One more time. Yeah, one more time.
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We're going to talk about the Penguins here.
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all right let's go sorry for all the editing roses i'm saying though man she's got roses over there like ah shut up guys now you did it again you know what you're gonna edit this video i'm gonna give it to you and this is gonna be your first i'm gonna have work to do too guys because i have to believe it out in okay uh let's go to my uh my hot take new york islanders You reap what you sow.
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I got one more question here, and we can end it here. You see stories like Akeem Aliou, who was called a racial slur by Peter.
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He's Malcolm X. Well, as we know, he was called a racial slur by Bill Peters when he was in Calgary. And Bill Peters made a concerted effort to basically push his career down from getting a true shot in the league. And then you see stories like Tony D'Angelo, who used a racial slur in the minors, who had an incident with K. Andre Miller in the finals. his own teammate with the Rangers.
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Yeah. And he got chance after chance. And now being signed with the Islanders at picking up, picking them up from the strip of the scrap heap in Russia with the KHL. You see guys like this getting chance at the chance. What goes through your head?
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But too bad. You're doing great work with Black Girl Hockey Club, and I really appreciate you coming on. Continue all your successes with the club.
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You know why you reap what you sow? Because you brought back Anthony D'Angelo back into this league. Now, I mean, seriously, like, they should be embarrassed. And they get embarrassed. You know why? Because he lost 5-1 to the Rangers and allowed this goal to Matt freaking Rimpey.
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Damn, that's cold. And remember to check Jagermeister out at DraftKingsXJagermeister.com.
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Shepardance! All right, it's time for the weekend review for the Florida Panthers. Before we get into the games, however, Matthew Kachuk, who was fresh off of Four Nations and very much injured, was on the Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon, and Jimmy Fallon talked to him about the Four Nations tournament. The Four Nations face-off, everyone was talking about this. Everyone watched.
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Yeah, so Matthew Kachuk is getting his shine nationwide as the face of USA Hockey. So good for him.
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Florida Panther on the Tonight Show.
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You didn't see that shit on Carson, I'll tell you that. Couldn't believe it.
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I mean, whatever his producers.
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Yeah, so that's what happened. So good for him wearing that Perry Ellis wardrobe that he's sponsored by now.
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Scott Perunovich and Ryan Pelak did not escape this game without a bad set line, respectively. Minus four. Both of them.
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Yeah, that's great. But how about come on our show? You know, we're down the street. You know, you can drive down here if you feel like it, you know, from Fort Lauderdale. I mean, you have to break the traffic on I-95 and everything. But, you know, come in the studio.
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All Florida Panthers have an open invite. All Florida Panthers, yeah. Open invite. Yeah, how about the entire roster? Just come on in. Hang out in the studio over there. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure there's a lot of room. You know, I'll just hand off a mic and whatever. All right, let's get to the games.
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The Panthers started off the second half of the season against the Seattle Kraken, and there's something... about the Seattle Kraken, that the Panthers just can't crack the 3-5-0 against Seattle. What the hell is going on here?
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Yeah, the Panthers led in all the counting stats, the shots, in fact, expect the goals they were leaning in, except this was a TJ Luxmore night. So he was one of the refs in this game. And when TJ Luxmore is refereeing a Florida Panthers game, shit happens. You know why? Because he adversely affected this game for the Florida Panthers. And you can see on the video here that Evan Rodriguez was...
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was called for goaltender interference as he skated in and affected what would have been a goal for Mackie Samuskevich. Rodriguez was pushed into the crease. He was pushed into the crease. Drakord tried to make a save there, and apparently... That was goaltender interference. Rodriguez getting pushed into the crease.
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Rodriguez unable to exit the crease because Josh Mahura would not let him get out and then affect the save. So he didn't touch the goalie.
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Yeah. Or Matt Barzell. I mean, all this bat juju that the Islanders have brought upon themselves. Yeah, it's been bad. In fact, they've lost five of their last six, so good for them. Good for them. Not good hockey in New York right now. Bad, bad hockey on that side of the island, yeah. Devils are okay. Wait, I have a hot take. The Rangers are actually doing better. Ethan, you have a hot take.
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You are a minute 12 late on that, by the way.
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I want to spend more time on goalie interference because I'm pissed off about this.
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The National Hockey League came back on the video review explanation. They said that video review determined Evan Rodriguez's presence in the crease and his contact on Joey DeCord's stick impaired his ability to play his position prior to Mackie Samuskiewicz's goal. Right. That's them defending the referee. Yes. That's bullshit.
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Panthers lost 2-1 in that game. On Tuesday, they went to Nashville, and they played the Predators, and that was a much better effort right there. That was a much, much better game. Most teams have been enjoying their trips to Nashville this season. Yeah, honky-tonk up there. Sam Bennett, goal, assist, and a fight. I think there's a name for that. Yeah, I think, yeah, yeah. We won't go into that.
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No. No. Another pet adoption for Benny's buddies. By the way, I really want... And Jordan McPherson's trying to get to him, but... It hasn't been available in practice, but I want to know if that goal in Four Nations by Sam Bennett helped another pet get adopted.
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Bruno. Poor Bruno. Andrew Burnett's probably not going to survive... Cats might have dodged a bull a day. This season.
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Rose is doing Instagram stories. Just ignore her. Justin Sudeikis scored his first career NHL goal as I'm trying to do this show. What the hell is going on?
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Oh. So you're affecting the show. Justice O'Dea scored his first NHL goal. He was in the lineup because E2 Lucerino was on paternity leave. Congratulations, E2. Baby girl. Baby girl. Dad bump incoming. Yes, sir.
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Yeah. He's going to be fine off boys with his hockey stick, man. You know. Yeah. Spent tonight 18 shots faced, 17 shots stopped. 40 attempts. Good defense. Yes. Well, again, Nashville.
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This is back-to-back weeks, by the way. I've ignored your hot takes.
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God forbid anything happens. Man, it's about time. They need the pipeline.
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Black Aces this playoff season, right? No. Yeah. Let's close it. Yeah, let's close it. We got one game to review and one game to preview, so... Let's do that. Edmonton, last night, big game. The game that got flipped for Flyers-Penguins on ESPN+, which obviously worked out for them. Unfortunately, it didn't work out for me because the Penguins won in overtime. They ain't going nowhere.
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Neither one of them are going anywhere. They flipped that game for two teams that are not making the playoffs. I don't care how that game resulted. For a potential finals rematch, matchup, whatever.
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No. No. No. No, I don't believe so. I'm starting to think so.
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Yeah. Why? This goes back to 1992. This is always going to be a Penguins. The Blackhawks lost to the Penguins in the Stanley Cup final. So whoever the next Penguins great star is, you're going to hate him too. Oh, they'll figure out a way for them to fudge the draft lottery again and get another superstar.
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We like to have fun here. I know. I'm bringing that up because they flipped. That was a national game. That was going to be a national game, and they flipped it for Flyers-Penguins. What the hell are we doing here? Rose just throws a little grenade into the middle of the room. I'm trying to do the damn show. What the hell are we doing here? Go, finish it. All right, fine. We're not even close.
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Pampers beat the Oilers 4-3. There was another overturned goal, another review.
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Yeah, Alexander Barkov went offside on what would have been a power play goal for Carter Bragey. That one was pretty offside. Yeah, that was way, way offside.
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Yeah, Carter Bragey would end up scoring in that game anyway, so it doesn't even matter. But Anton Lindell, a goal and two assists, and a nickname that Rose would absolutely love, Baby Barky.
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You realize how hard it was for them to scratch and claw their way back up the division? Because they were out of it.
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Yeah, the Panthers won 4-3. That was... You know what? Paul Maurice did not like a lot of what happened with that game with the Panthers because... Too much transition. Yeah.
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Tomorrow, the Florida Panthers play the Calgary Flames. And the Flames coming off a loss to the Lightning. That didn't stop pregame Ryan Lomberg giving his feelings about returning to Tampa.
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Yeah, yeah, that's the silence. Yeah, that is Mike. I think the people in the control truck kind of, they saw what was going on. You know, that's not going to stop me from talking, right? Like, I'm doing a show here. What are you doing? All right. All right. The Flames have lost seven of the last 11. They are still looking at a wild card spot.
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They are still close to getting it, but still losing seven out of the last 11.
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Yeah. So they better straighten up and fly right because you don't want to lose out on that. You can lose the playoff spot the way they're going. And right now going into the Stanley Cup, defending Stanley Cup champions house. Oh, boy, it's going to be tough for them. It is.
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Can I end the show? Can I end the show? I already ended it, so. No, you didn't already end it because I'm trying to end the show.
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They haven't even had a band of cane for a year and a half.
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Yeah, you're right. This is a learning situation for all the GMs in the National Hockey League as far as how to handle players when it comes to stuff like Olympics and Four Nations and World Cup of Hockey and how to handle their injuries and how to handle what to do with them coming back from these tournaments because... As Ethan said, they look exhausted.
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And what you have with the injuries, because Vegas, Florida, and Boston has to deal with that now. Yeah, we're not even talking about Martinez. The first casualty. You're complaining about the... Okay. Yo no sé.
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Welcome to the hockey show. Roy, Dave, Rose, Ethan. Let's start with our Slapshots hot takes. Go ahead, Dave. Okay. Welcome to the show, everybody. Hey, man. I don't have time for this. Let's go.
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We have more that we have to do, so let's move on to win of the week, Dave.
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That's very nice. He even got the pronunciations correct. That's very good. And dad. And dad. And dad comes over and gives the big hug.
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Yeah, it does. Especially considering my win of the week. Because last week, Saturday, at the Baptist Iceplex, which houses the Panthers practice, Claire... had try hockey for free. She had a session there and it was dedicated to the girls. And we have some pictures and a video here. I signed her up for the session and she was scared. You know, she's skated maybe twice in her life, right?
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And she's watched a lot of hockey, a lot of hockey with dad. And before she came out, she said to me, I don't skate as fast. Maybe I'm going to do bad. I said, hey, listen, it's not about you going out there and skating fast as she goes out there and tiptoes on video. If you can see it on YouTube, it's about trying. And she went out there and she tried and.
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Me and Aneed, my wife, we led her out to the edge of the ice we put out there, and she did very well. She only fell twice, which was definitely the under, because I expected her to fall a lot more, but she only fell twice, and she did very well. She had zip on her passes and shots. Big ups to the trainers out there. They really did well with her on the ice. I was definitely a proud dad.
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I said your name, then. I said your name. Did I say your name? I said your name. You did say everybody's name, Roy. Yeah, I did.
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Yeah, yeah, and as you can tell from the video, Like, she's staying up right.
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Well, it's me. Because I can actually push.
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Yeah, all right. Get that produced next week.
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Our kids are playing hockey now. No, next week. Our kids are playing hockey now. Our kids are playing hockey. Like, God, we're old. Yeah, we are old. Ethan, it'll happen to you, too. Slow your roll. Slow your roll. Slow your roll.
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You don't believe in, okay, you don't believe in charms. Fails of the week, Dave.
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Slow your roll, guys. Jeez. Damn. All right. My Failure of the Week is an anniversary of probably the worst night in Mike McDonald's career. 31 years ago, it was Rangers versus Stars, and Mike McDonald was elbowed in the head by Mark Messier. Oh, God. Yeah, that was bad. The game was so different back then, man. Yeah. Look at the position Madonna's in. Those skates. Look at those skates.
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He was prone. He was basically unconscious from the elbow and then fell to the ice. He's just like, what happened? His head hit the ice. There's going to end up being a replay here. Yeah, there's a replay.
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Yeah. There was a streak of blood going across the ice as he slid towards the boards. Oof.
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Elbow to the head now is probably how many games? If that happened today, I mean, 10 games. Easy. 10 games. If that. At least 10 games. Now, this is the fail right here. Because Mike Modano was on a gurney. They were trying to put him in the ambulance. Oh, for fuck's sake. They dropped him. They dropped Mike Modano, who was on the gurney as they were trying to put him in the ambulance.
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Oh, for sure.
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It's like our brains are saying, nope, too scary. Let's just stay under the covers.
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And that's exactly where Mel found herself. Hitting the snooze button became her go-to move.
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Thanks for listening to that. Let's jump back into it. Maybe relying a bit too much on those, let's say, stress relievers.
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And even blaming others for her situation.
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This whole season is about understanding the power of letting go.
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But as Mel's story shows, facing those fears head on is often the only way to break free.
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Okay. So we've got Mel stuck in this cycle of avoidance, feeling completely hopeless. But here's where it gets really interesting.
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Picture this.
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It's another morning. Mel is lying in bed, completely paralyzed by the weight of her situation. And she happens to see a rocket launch on TV.
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And that seemingly random image becomes the catalyst for a life changing breakthrough. It's crazy, right?
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She starts visualizing that countdown. Five, four, three, two, one.
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And something clicks.
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She uses that countdown to force herself out of bed, almost like a rocket launching herself into action.
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Letting go of control.
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Okay.
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So it's not just some motivational gimmick.
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Letting go of expectations. And sometimes letting go of what we think our lives should look like.
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There's actual science behind it.
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So she's basically hacking her brain to overcome fear and take action.
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That's incredible.
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And you know what's even cooler?
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This is something anyone can do.
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Right now, think of one tiny task you've been putting off. Something small, but, you know, you should just do it.
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Got it.
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Now, on the count of five, we're going to launch ourselves into action.
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Five, four, three, two, one, go.
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It's like that first step out of bed in the morning.
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Once you're up, you're up, you're ready to take on the day.
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For sure.
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It's like our brains are wired to respond to that sense of urgency.
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It's almost like we trick ourselves into taking action before those doubts and fears have a chance to kick in.
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Oh, I know where you're going with this.
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Her infamous TEDx talk. I read about this.
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She was terrified beforehand.
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Blanked on stage.
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And basically blurted out the five second rule in a moment of pure desperation.
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It's like when we see someone else embrace their imperfections.
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It gives us permission to do the same.
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So the universe has a plan.
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So she shares this failed talk with a friend thinking it's going to disappear to the Internet abyss. Right. And boom, it goes viral.
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Over 60 million views.
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Right.
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Even when we feel totally lost.
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There's something so empowering about realizing that we're not alone in our struggles.
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And that even small actions taken consistently can create massive change over time.
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Like she says, action is the answer.
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And that's exactly what today's deep dive is all about.
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Thinking about your problems will never solve them.
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But I think what's often overlooked is that behind all the viral success, behind those millions of lives touched, there's a whole lot of hard work and hustle.
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And let's not forget, she self-published The 5 Second Rule, which has now been translated into over 40 languages. That's a testament to her dedication and the power of believing in your message, even when you're starting from scratch.
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We're diving deep into the story of Mel Robbins, the creator of the famous five second rule.
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All right. We're back. Let's continue. And sometimes it's about trusting that even those messy, seemingly insignificant moments can lead us to something truly extraordinary.
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Mill's journey from a moment of despair in her bedroom to becoming a global phenomenon is a testament to that.
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Absolutely.
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And her journey from rock bottom to a lifeline that's now touched millions of lives.
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So if you're listening to this and feeling stuck, overwhelmed, or like you're just going through the motions, remember Mel's story. Remember that you have the power to create change. You do. Even if it starts with something as small as a five-second countdown?
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What's one thing you've been putting off that you can commit to doing this week?
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Okay.
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And, you know, Mel has this amazing quote that I think sums up this whole idea of self-reliance and taking action perfectly.
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It says, no one's coming to save you. You save yourself.
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One small move at a time.
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Yeah, it's so easy to get caught up in waiting for the perfect moment or for someone else to give us permission to go after what we want.
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Yeah.
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Love that, you know, Mel's story really highlights how important it is to embrace the messy, unpredictable nature of life.
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It's not always going to be pretty. And there will be setbacks along the way.
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But those challenges are often what shape us and make us stronger.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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It's like that voice in our head saying, you got this.
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Just take that next step.
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We'll be right back after this quick break. All right, we're back. Let's continue. And before we wrap up today's deep dive, I have to mention that Mel's story is just one example of how the let them theory plays out in real life.
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We'll be exploring this concept in more depth throughout the season, looking at how letting go is can transform not just our personal lives, but also our relationships, our careers, and even our impact on the world.
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Absolutely. So for everyone listening, I encourage you to try the five-second rule this week. Pick one thing you've been putting off, something you know you should do, but keep finding excuses for.
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Visualize their rocket launch. Countdown from five and then just do it.
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So if you've ever felt stuck, overwhelmed, or like you're just going through the motions, this one's for you.
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You might be surprised by the momentum it creates in other areas of your life.
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And if you want to dive deeper into Mel Robbins' work, you can find a link to her book, The Five Second Rule, on our website, DaveBessiePodcast.com.
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Right.
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That's it for today's episode of The Messy Podcast.
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Until next time, stay messy and keep those five-second decisions coming.
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Let's rewind a bit.
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And paint a picture of where Mel was before the five second rule took the world by storm.
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Oh, yeah.
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Absolutely.
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We're talking major financial struggles.
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$800,000 debt. Wow. Her husband's restaurant failing.
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Everything was crumbling around her. And as she describes in her audio book, she knew what she needed to do to get back on track. But she just couldn't seem to move.
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Exactly. Germany wasn't at war yet, but Hitler was planning it. A lot of oil and fat-based products were imported. Hitler wanted to make sure that these industries could continue and his army could be fed in case foreign supplies were cut off.
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Then they cut the tumor open. No! Inside the tumor is what Mel describes as a fetal seal.
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The Nazi mission did claim some land for Germany, and it's widely thought that they did look for a location for a base and maybe even tried to build one, but no evidence of a base has been found. However, Nazi artifacts have been found in the Arctic, in the north, which could be why this story continues to circulate. But so far, nothing in the south.
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It could be. I'm not saying nothing's there. I'm just saying we haven't found it yet.
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Well, that's always a possibility. The U.S. government did lie about the real purpose of Operation High Jump. And it's true Admiral Byrd never spoke about it publicly, except for those cryptic comments in the Chilean newspaper El Mercurio. El Mercurio is a real paper, and Admiral Byrd did give them an interview. Obviously, the article was released in Spanish.
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But when it was translated back to English, his words were twisted around to make the story sound more dramatic.
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Right. Byrd never said there are ships that can fly pole to pole at tremendous speeds. He said the United States could be attacked by planes coming from the poles, and it should be ready for that. And Operation High Jump had a press contingent, about a dozen reporters giving daily reports.
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There really wasn't much going on, so rather than send back a three-word story, lots of ice, the reporters added their own flair. For example, Bird did find a small lake that had uniquely warm temperatures with algae growing in it. But it was reported as a land of blue and green lakes and brown hills in an otherwise limitless expanse of ice.
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Right. In 1991, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, millions of secret documents were released. And one of those, written in 1947, was a description of Operation High Jump. And in 2006, a Russian documentary was released based on that secret intelligence report. The Soviets did believe that Operation High Jump was a mission to find and destroy a Nazi base.
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Yeah, like a baby seal. It was attached to the tumor by an umbilical cord, but this seal-like creature had the eyes of a human. They watched the creature for a while as it crawled to the end of the table. and Mel felt like it wanted to get back to the hole, so he picked it up and set it near the edge. Of course, the creature was slimy, and Mel said that the fluid had the smell of ozone.
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And look, with all that firepower, I don't think that's a stretch. The reports of the battle with UFOs comes from the Soviet documents, but it's iffy on the facts and they got some of the names of the ships wrong, but they did get some right. And the US military has a history of changing a ship's name and rewriting the ship's story if it serves Navy policy. Always.
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The Soviet report said that UFOs weren't trying to destroy the American ships, which they easily could have done. They just wanted the ships to turn back. The mission was cut way short. The official reason for that is weather. But that's a lot of resources wasted because of weather. Were there really UFOs protecting something down there?
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Or is this disinformation deliberately leaked to the Soviets by U.S. intelligence? I don't know. I've debunked as much as I can for you. Even though a lot of the story is false, not all of it is. And it seems as the only way we'll get answers is to go to Antarctica. But if there's one thing that every government in the world agrees on, it's that whatever is down there needs to stay there.
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But I'll leave you with these final thoughts. Just a few months after Operation High Jump, a UFO allegedly crashed in Roswell, New Mexico. The location of the crash is only a few miles from the world's first nuclear explosion. And Admiral Byrd did go missing for three hours and arrived back at camp three hours late. He was in a small short range airplane. So why didn't he run out of fuel?
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So the men studied the creature, and it seemed to study the men for about two hours. Then the seal creature gave them a final look, and jumped in the hole. Now, before Mel went to Nevada, he was diagnosed with advanced esophageal cancer. He had only six months to live. But after this experience, Mel was cancer-free. He thinks he was cured by the magic seal. Yep.
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Access to members-only merch, access to videos early without commercials. You get two private live streams every week that are just for members, and those are super fun because there's not a lot of people in there. You know, when I do a live stream, like, on a Thursday night, we might have 15,000 people in the chat. Like, I can't really read everything or keep up with it.
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But on Discord, it's me and the whole team And there's only a few people hanging out. So you put your camera on, jump up on stage and talk to all of us, you know, suggest something, tell a joke, tell a story, you know, whatever you want to do. I think it's the best perk there is, you know, for as little money, as money as it costs.
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Mel felt like he had a transcendent experience. He was completely changed after this. And just then, the radio show runs out of time. No!
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few months later mel returned to coast to coast something crazy happened with that bucket of ice remember one of the basks took the burning ice to his cabin to keep warm he had it in a stove it burned for months and it was pulling all the moisture out of the air the air in the cabin was always dry the owner's skin was always dry he was constantly thirsty when boiling water the steam would be pulled into the stove one day the stove crashed through the floor and into the ground under the cabin
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But it was still warm, so he patched up the floor and used the hole for warmth. A couple of weeks later, he's returning home and his entire cabin has collapsed and turned to dust. He moves in with his brother for a while. A month later, he comes back to the cabin and sees that the stove is now five feet underground and the hole made by the stove was perfectly smooth.
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It was. And they couldn't get the stove back up. It took a giant crane to finally get the stove out of the hole. And at this point, the Basque said they were sometimes visited by the entity that they discovered in the hole.
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Yes, the magic seal. They felt it was a benevolent presence and considered the whole experience to be very spiritual. There are now brightly colored birds circling the hole. Birds that seem to be immune to bullets.
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I guess. Freaking Basque. The Basque even believe the magic seal is communicating with them over the radio using a system of beeps and clicks as language which they can understand. The creature warns the Basque that the ice is dangerous and can't fall into the wrong hands and would lead to the destruction of the planet. Art asks if there's a recording of this language. There is.
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The Basque recorded everything. For the next hour, a few more theories are considered and Art finally gets Mel to agree to come back on the show. But this time he would bring the recording, photos, video and everything he can get his hands on. Mel agrees to go back to Nevada and gather all the evidence. He hangs up and the show ends. Mel is never heard from again.
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He doesn't respond to Art's calls, and eventually the line is disconnected. So after five years, the story of Mel's hole finally comes to an end. But it left so many questions. There are a lot of Art Bell highlights, and Mel's hole is right near the top. So how much of the story can we confirm? First, the location of the hole.
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TerraServer did black out that part of Washington, but on Google Earth, it showed back up. But if the military really had taken over the property, they would have covered up the hole. People have been searching for it for years, and of the many locations I found, there was one that was really compelling. This is the Google map. someone actually went to the location to see what was there.
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These are the pictures. During one of his phone calls, Mel said there were two old buildings on the property and one of them eventually collapsed under snow. This fits the description pretty well. And also on the property is this. Yup, a hole about nine feet wide with a stone retaining wall, exactly how Mel described.
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On Mel Waters property in the Manassas Ridge west of Ellensburg, Washington, there's a hole in the ground that looks like a well, but it's not a well like the owners of the property before him. Mel used the hole as a trash dump. His neighbors used it to garbage, broken appliances, old tires. Everything went into the hole. After a while, Mel started to wonder, why doesn't it fill up?
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Now, this caused quite a stir online, but the hole turned out to be an old well and definitely had a bottom. If you search the internet, you'll find a lot of people claiming they found Mel's hole. They haven't. It's never been found. At least, not yet. As for Mel, he's a complicated character. There's no record of a Mel or Melvin Waters living in the area, but...
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Some have claimed he was using a pseudonym to protect his identity. That makes sense. Now, something that really hurts the credibility of the story is the lack of pictures. In every call, Art asks for photographs, but sometimes Mel just doesn't think to take a picture. He forgets, which is ridiculous. Another time, he says cameras don't work near the hole because of interference.
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Or he does have pictures and recordings, but they're not handy, so he'll send them when he can. But in Mel's defense, he never plugs anything. Even if this is a hoax, he could have made a fortune selling t-shirts, books, phony photographs, anything. People would buy that stuff just because it's cool. I would buy a Mel's whole t-shirt.
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Yeah, that part of the story was pretty wild. And that's a common argument that Mel's story got crazier and crazier. And eventually he just couldn't keep up with it. So he bailed on the hoax. But he was pretty consistent with the facts over five years. And Art Bell tried many, many times to trip him up, but he couldn't do it. Now, the hole itself just isn't geologically possible.
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A hole many miles deep would be unstable and collapse in on itself. Unless it was a bottomless hole to another dimension. Right. Unless it's that. But I don't think we'll ever know. Mel's hole has many believers, but I don't think Art Bell was one of them. But Art was an entertainer. And this is the type of story that his listeners loved. It's a legend that people still talk about 30 years later.
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But for me in this channel, this was a masterclass on how to present an urban legend. Let the story breathe, but still challenge the specifics. Explore the mystery, but keep it grounded. Be critical, but compassionate. I try to approach topics this way, but very few others do.
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A channel that tells mysterious stories without giving all the facts will get more clicks and it will get more subscribers. But that's a shame because it's dishonest and you deserve better. We all do. I think that episode still holds up. And they don't all hold up. That was episode 73. And... What year? Oh, yeah. That was a time where at this... In this history of the channel.
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I think that episode still holds up. And they don't all hold up. That was number 73. That was a point in the channel where I was really frustrated. I was two years into this, 73 episodes, and nobody was watching. It was like 2,500 people, subscribers, and they weren't watching. It would get like 500 views.
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And so I still get annoyed when I see comments online about how the Wi-Fi has just turned on a channel and just exploded out of nowhere. That's not what happened. I made videos for two years that nobody watched, unless you're one of those 50 people, and I appreciate it. 2022, that was... That was when Mel's Hole came out, and that was like our breakout year. 2022 was our breakout year.
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23 was a growth year. And 2024 was a lessons learned year. I called it a setback year, and Jen didn't like that. She said, oh, you learned some lessons. Maybe I'll do a backstage about that when we get into the next year. Anyway, next up on our whole compilation is episode 122, Finding Agartha, The Search for the Hidden City in the Center of the Earth. This is a long episode.
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And then he started to notice other strange things about the hole. His dogs wouldn't go near it. It caused his radio to pick up strange signals, and it didn't seem to have a bottom. Mel's curiosity became an obsession. Let's see if we can get to the bottom of Mel's hole. Mel's hole is a round pit 9 feet 9 inches in diameter.
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Cultures around the world have myths that speak of a mysterious underground kingdom that exists deep within the earth, hidden away from the primitive and violent surface dwellers, which is us. Picture a society untouched by time, unscathed by war, and unaffected by natural disasters. A culture thriving in the vast open spaces inside the Earth.
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Throughout history, many have looked for physical evidence of its existence, tempted by stories of a peaceful but powerful subterranean civilization with advanced technology and ancient knowledge long forgotten by modern man. This is the story of the underground kingdom of Agartha and the explorers who've said that not only is it a real place, but they know where it is.
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Stories of a hollow earth have existed in cultures for thousands of years. Nearly every ancient society has stories about an underground realm, often inhabited by superior beings. Buddhists firmly believe in the subterranean kingdom of Agartha, ruled by the mysterious king of the world.
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Agartha is said to be home to millions and connected to the surface by a vast tunnel network within the planet's crust. Indian religions speak of a place called Patala, which translates to that which is below the feet. Patala is described as a beautiful land full of rolling green hills and crystal clear lakes. Agartha is described the same way.
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Some believe this is the real Garden of Eden, that when God cast Adam and Eve out of the garden, he actually sent them to the surface. In an ancient Mayan text called the Popol Vuh, there is the story of Shabalba, an underworld civilization. And from Shabalba, twin brothers emerge, and like Adam and Eve, they became the first people above ground.
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Chico Maztok is the place where the Aztecs emerged to live on the surface of the Earth. It translates to seven caves, and researchers are actually looking for it, and some think they found it. African and other Native American legends also mention subterranean realms and cavern spirits. The most consistent story is that of an advanced inner-earth civilization isolated from surface humanity.
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The Sumerians knew it as Kur, a void space or home of the dead. The Babylonians called it Urcala, another world ruled by gods. The Chinese call this underworld Diyu, and the Japanese call it Yomi. Ancient Egypt, Islam, Greek, Rome, even Celtic Irish, they all have myths of an underground world.
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There's a stone retaining wall built around it that goes down about 15 feet. After that, the hole extends down into darkness. Not only did Mel Waters and his wife dump everything in the hole, but so did his neighbors. And this has been going on for a long time, for years before Mel even moved in. Mel's neighbors said they couldn't remember a time when the hole wasn't there.
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More modern myths may call this place hell, but it could be argued that hell is a relatively new concept, that it's a construct designed to create fear and inspire good behavior. But before the concept of hell, the underworld was inhabited by advanced godlike people who came to the surface of the earth. Once on the surface, they either created humanity or taught civilization to primitive humans.
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It's easy enough to interpret those as the same thing. And like the flood myth, which is present in every ancient culture, the inner earth story also appears over and over again. Recent discoveries are starting to point to the fact that a great flood did really happen.
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So when cultures from all over the world share the same myth, we have to start looking at all those myths as maybe more than just a story. Those myths may be referring to actual history. But to prove the existence of Agartha, an underground civilization, and the Hollow Earth, we'll need more than stories. We need scientific evidence and eyewitness testimony. Fortunately, we have both.
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The hollow Earth theory proposes that our planet is not a solid sphere, but a hollow one, with vast unexplored spaces within. In 1692, astronomer Edmund Halley proposed a hollow Earth consisting of a shell about 500 miles thick. Within that shell are two concentric spheres and a central core about the diameter of Venus.
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Haley said the spaces in between the shells could support life with light provided by a luminous atmosphere. In the late 18th century, mathematician Leonard Euler used physics calculations to hypothesize a hollow Earth with a central sun. Euler's calculations suggested that gravity would propel matter equally in all directions, forming spheres with hollow interiors.
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Well, the Earth isn't flat.
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Yeah, that's not how that works.
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Yeah, the atmosphere spins too.
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Well, that depends on the latitude.
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Between 300 and 1,000 miles an hour.
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But what does modern science have to say about the hollow Earth? On the surface, the hollow Earth theory seems to defy basic geological understanding. Seismic data and the study of Earth's gravitational field suggest that our planet is composed of several layers, the crust, the mantle, and the core. However, proponents of the Hollow Earth theory argue that the data are open to interpretation.
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They point to anomalies in seismic readings, which they claim could be indicative of large empty spaces within the Earth. They also cite the existence of vast underground caves as evidence of the Earth's hollowness. And if the Earth is hollow, it could support the large population of Agartha.
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So why can't you hear objects hitting the bottom? Why can't you hear your own echo? Mel set out to determine exactly how far down this hole goes. An avid fisherman, Mel had spools of fishing line on hand. So he attached a one pound weight to the line and sent it down the hole. It went 4,500 feet, the full length of the reel, and didn't hit bottom.
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Even if the Earth isn't completely hollow, if there are vast hollow areas within the Earth, why couldn't they house a hidden civilization? Some trace the story of Agartha back to ancient Buddhist texts, where it's described as a paradise, a place of pure harmony and advanced knowledge. In the Western world, what we know about Agartha mostly comes from Alexandre Sainte-Yves d'Alvedre.
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He was a French intellectual and occultist. He spoke of Agartha as a secret civilization, its people possessing wisdom and technology far beyond our understanding. Sainte-Yves learned of Agartha through his Sanskrit teacher, who insisted it was a real geographic place. Saint-Yves' descriptions of Agartha were vivid and detailed.
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He spoke of grand palaces illuminated by magical light and of advanced technologies that harnessed the Earth's magnetic field. In the 19th century, Agarthans already had city-wide lighting, railways, and even air travel. Saint-Yves believed that the Agarthans were the guardians of sacred knowledge, a knowledge that can bring about a golden age of peace and enlightenment on the surface world.
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Others would continue the search for Agartha. Occultist Elena Blavatsky searched for evidence of a hollow Earth and the secret tunnels that Agarthans use to travel all over the planet. But as far as we know, Sontiv and Madame Blavatsky didn't find Agartha. But not because it doesn't exist, because they didn't know where to look. But we do.
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The reason Edmund Halley started exploring the idea that the Earth was hollow was because of strange compass readings in the Atlantic. He believed that the aurora borealis resulted from gases escaping from the inner spheres inside the Earth. This suggested there were entrances at the North and South Pole, and once inside, you can navigate the inner shells through vast cave and tunnel systems.
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The hollow Earth theory fell out of favor for a while, but gained new life in 1818. American John Sims launched the notorious Sims Hole theory. He declared that the Earth was hollow and habitable. He said the inner Earth is comprised of four nested shells with openings at the poles.
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And Sims dedicated much of his life to promoting this theory by trying to put together a polar expedition, though that never happened. In 1829, Norwegian fisherman Olaf Janssen claimed that he and his father sailed through a polar opening and into the planet's interior. There they spent two years among a race of giants before exiting through the South Pole.
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His story is documented in the book The Smoky God by Willis George Emerson, which is a fun read. But probably the most famous and detailed account of the world inside the Earth comes from Admiral Richard E. Byrd. Admiral Byrd was an aviation pioneer, polar explorer, and one of the most decorated and celebrated officers in the history of the American military. So a serious guy.
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Byrd took his plane out on a quick survey mission of the North Pole. As he was flying over ice and snow, he noticed the sunlight changed. Then it got warmer. A few minutes later, he was flying over fields of green grass and forests and rivers. He even saw a woolly mammoth grazing in one of those fields. Then he no longer had control of his plane, and suddenly two craft came up beside him.
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He reeled the line up, attached a roll of Lifesavers, and sent it all the way down again. Mel wanted to see if there was water at the bottom. And if there was, the Lifesavers would come up dissolved. But they came up dry. and Mel had more spools of fishing line, each one 5,000 feet. He attached another spool, now down almost 10,000 feet, and still no bottom.
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Admiral Byrd lands and is escorted by tall blonde men to an underground city. There, the Admiral meets someone called the Master. Now, I link to an episode where I go into a lot of detail about what Admiral Byrd found, so check that out if you want to learn more. I'll try not to spoil too much here. So Admiral Byrd found a way to the Hollow Earth in the North Pole.
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Others have found their way in through the South Pole. The South Pole is often connected to Nazi Germany. Hitler was an occultist and was famously fascinated by the possibility that the Hollow Earth could be accessed through Antarctica. Germany did make an expedition to Antarctica in 1938.
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I theorized in the Operation High Jump episode that this was the reason the United States sent such a large, well-armed task force down there in 1946. The Germans had maps of the area, including a cave system underneath the surface. They even had step-by-step directions on how to get into the Hollow Earth. The directions are very specific. Distances right down to the meter.
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After you follow the first eight steps, the ninth step is interesting.
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German U-boat 209, commanded by Heinrich Brode, said he reached the interior of the Earth and found a vast network of tunnels. There are rumors that, after Germany surrendered, some Nazis fled to Antarctica and hid in these tunnels. And other rumors say they're still there. But the poles aren't the only way to get into the cave system that leads to Agartha. There are entrances all over the world.
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And chances are, there's one near you. The planetary grid system is a network of energy lines criss-crossing the planet. These lines are said to influence everything from ancient monument placement to the patterns of animal migration. The idea of a planetary grid goes back to the ancient Greeks, who believed in a concept called Amphalos, the Earth's central point.
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And you can see this concept expressed in places like the Oracle at Delphi, said to be the center of the ancient world. A few centuries later, in the 1920s, Alfred Watkins noticed that ancient sites seemed to line up along straight paths. He termed these ley lines. And while some considered his theory a coincidence, others saw a pattern connected to the Earth's geography.
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More recently, the unified vector geometry theory was proposed by Buckminster Fuller and later developed by scientists like William Becker and Beth Hagens. According to this theory, the Earth is covered by an invisible grid formed by 120 identical triangles. This grid supposedly aligns with significant geographical and historical points across the globe. Take the Great Pyramid of Giza.
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Spool after spool of fishing line went down the hole. He could not reach the bottom. By the time Mel ran out of line, he was 80,000 feet down, over 15 miles, and still no bottom. While experimenting, Mel noticed that his dogs wouldn't come anywhere near the hole. Even when forced, the dogs would dig their feet in. There were no animals of any kind near the hole. No wildlife, no insects.
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According to the Unified Vector Geometry theory, it isn't randomly placed, but occupies a crucial point on this global energy grid. The same applies to other ancient landmarks like Stonehenge and Machu Picchu, the Nazca Lines, and even the Bermuda Triangle. In addition to the North and South Poles, entrances to the Kingdom of Agartha are also found on some of these planetary grid points.
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Let's take a quick trip around the world and look for a way in. The first way into the Hollow Earth is in the Caves of Deiros in Greece. This entrance is closely connected to Plato and the story of Atlantis. From Greece across the Mediterranean to Mount Epimeo in Italy, For centuries, this has been called a portal to the inner Earth. Now going south across the Mediterranean is the Pyramid of Giza.
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Giza doesn't seem like it would have access to the Hollow Earth, but we now know that underneath the pyramids is a vast cave system, underground rivers, reservoirs, and tunnels. With modern technology like ground-penetrating radar, new caverns and chambers are discovered all the time. Another entrance to the Earth is said to be within King Solomon's Mines.
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Solomon, a king of Israel and son of King David, was known for his wisdom, power, and his personal fortune, described as one of the largest on Earth. King Solomon's Mines became known to the world because of the famous novel featuring the character Alan Quartermain, an adventurer you might remember from the movie The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Quartermain was played by Sean Connery.
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Yeah, I think so too. Wealth is usually associated with gold, but King Solomon's wealth is thought to have come from the mining of copper. And these mines would have been operating around the 13th century BC. Even though the legend of King Solomon's mines comes from a fictional novel, treasure hunters believe this is a real place and have been searching for it for a long time.
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In 2008, there might've been a breakthrough. An ancient mining city was discovered in Kirbat el-Nahas in Jordan. There, archeologists discovered a copper mine and a copper smelting camp, which seemed to be operational in the 13th century BC.
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The team also found a lot of personal items, including clothing, ceramics, fabric, even tools, all indicating a highly developed long-term settlement at the site. And these objects have been dated to the same period as King Solomon's mines. The next entrance is said to be in Rama, India, where an ancient subterranean city was recently discovered.
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Tibet is home to many stories about hollow Earth, so it's not surprising that there are entrances underneath the Himalayas. One of these is in the underground city of Shonshe, which, according to legend, has been guarded by monks for thousands of years. But there are entrances to the inner Earth in the West, too.
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Iguazu in Argentina allegedly has an entrance hidden somewhere underneath the famous waterfalls. Underneath Mato Grosso in Brazil is said to be the city of Poce, which was built by Atlanteans after the destruction of Atlantis. Even the United States has gateways to the Hollow Earth.
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Mammoth Cave in Kentucky has been known as an entrance since the first native tribes arrived there thousands of years ago. The most famous entrance to the Hollow Earth in the United States is probably Mount Shasta. It's here where the city of Telos is said to have been built and is still occupied. And there is a lot of evidence that something is happening there.
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Birds even flew around it. And since the hole was known to his neighbors, Mel asked around if anyone noticed their dogs feeling uneasy by the hole. And they all said yes. Then one of his neighbors said, speaking of dogs, not too long ago, his dog died. So he threw its body into the hole. A few days later, that dog came back. After Mel's neighbor threw his dead dog into the hole.
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I linked to an episode we did where we called Mount Shasta the most paranormal place on earth. And it absolutely is. And these are just a few entrances to the kingdom of Gartha in North America. There are others in Arkansas, California, and other states, and several locations in Canada.
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Even the site of the secret underground base in Dulce, New Mexico was said to be chosen because of its proximity to an entrance to the inner earth. And we did an episode on Dulce base as well. And you might have noticed that a lot of alleged entrances to the hollow earth coincide with locations famous for UFO sightings. And this might not be a coincidence.
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Whenever someone mentions a UFO, our instinct is to look up toward the sky, to space. Turns out, we might be looking in the wrong direction. When we think of UFOs, we think of extraterrestrials from a distant star. And that could be true. But there's also the theory that UFOs aren't coming from a different planet, but from inside our planet.
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Scientifically speaking, it makes more sense that there's a race of humanoid beings living within the Earth, as opposed to a race of humanoid beings who have somehow figured out how to cross the vast distances of space. And isn't it strange that the aliens we talk about are all humanoid?
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Whether they're the small greys, the tall whites, or even the goblin-type aliens, they all kind of look like us. Two eyes, nose, mouth, two legs with feet and toes, two arms with hands and fingers. Even the size of the beings is close to the size of humans.
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Now maybe all intelligent life in the universe evolves this way, but I would expect life in different biomes, in different ecosystems, on different planets, light years away, to look radically different than humans. But they don't. So it's possible that they're from here, just in places we can't normally see.
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We see a lot of UFOs coming out of the ocean, but we haven't found any type of base, at least not a confirmed sighting. So what if the base is inside the hollow Earth, under the ocean? I can think of no better hiding place. Far-sighted among... Yeah, that would be a good hiding place. And there are crazy things happening on the far side of the moon, and an episode on that is coming up.
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There have been many UFO sightings around Mount Shasta where the object flies into the mountain and then disappears. Now, assuming the witnesses are telling the truth, and I believe they are, the objects are going somewhere. In the Arctic near the North Pole, the earliest reported UFO sightings go back to the year 1850.
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Captain DeHaven and his medical officer saw what they thought was a balloon, but then a second object appeared, and suddenly both objects vanished. Around midnight on January 22, 1952, a strange object was tracked on radar at a military outpost in northern Alaska. It was moving at 1,500 miles per hour, which no aircraft on Earth could do.
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Three jets were sent to investigate, and as the jets approached, the radar blip slowed down and just hovered. A few seconds later, it streaked out of sight, heading to the North Pole, moving even faster than before. On October 5, 1960, the Ballistic Missile Early Warning Station at Thule, Greenland, thought World War III had started.
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Radar was tracking multiple objects moving at speeds too fast to be anything except a Soviet missile attack. Within minutes, US bases in England and Canada were mobilized, and NORAD and the Strategic Air Command were alerted. A few minutes later, the radar signals changed course and disappeared somewhere near the North Pole. The military has been dealing with Arctic UFOs since 1945.
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The first UFO in Alaska emerged from the sea in March of that year. 14 crew members on an Army transport ship witnessed the object. It approached the ship, circled it, and then flew away. and there are many more sightings in the Arctic during this time. Inuits in the Arctic regions have encountered UFOs in the past and included them in their myths.
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Once a man from the Buckland River tribe discovered what appeared to be a UFO landing site. Two strips of land approximately two feet wide had been burned all the way down to the ground. On Sledge Island, Inuits have a legend of a massive ball of fire resembling the moon that descended from the sky.
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Shortly after the object was spotted, a creature described as a human skeleton appeared in the village. According to the legend, this visitor was not friendly and killed most of the people it encountered. These are just a small fraction of the stories about UFOs and visitors coming from the ocean, from the poles, or the middle of the Earth. So we've covered the eyewitness accounts.
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I don't know.
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The next piece of the Hollow Earth puzzle is scientific evidence. We have that too. The Cola Superdeep Borehole was just nine inches in diameter, and at 40,230 feet, it's the deepest hole on Earth. It took almost 20 years to reach its depth of seven and a half miles.
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I really don't know.
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Well, that's true, but that's another episode. They pulled some crazy stuff out of Mel's hole. The Kola Superdeep was abandoned in 1992 when the drillers encountered higher-than-expected temperatures. Over 350 degrees Fahrenheit, the drill just couldn't handle the heat. Seven and a half miles is a deep hole, but it's 4,000 miles to the Earth's core, so the Kola Superdeep is nothing.
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Hey, thanks for clicking. Today we're doing a whole compilation. Someone mentioned it on the live stream a couple of weeks ago that we've done so many stories about holes, we should do a compilation of them. And I was like, we have? And then I went back and looked at the catalog, and we've got something like 10 or 11 stories about holes and underground mysteries and all that stuff.
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And since grade school, we've been taught that the Earth is made up of the crust, the mantle, and the core. And the core is two layers. The outer core is almost 1400 miles thick and mostly made of liquid iron and nickel. The inner core is a solid sphere with a radius of about 750 miles. And the inner core is thought to be comprised mostly of iron and some nickel.
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They certainly can be. Anyway, a couple of days after disposing of his dog's body down the hole, he saw it running through a wooded area near the property. He knew it was his dog because it was wearing the same collar. But for some reason, the dog didn't come when he called. The dog acted like he didn't know his owner at all.
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But if we've only dug seven and a half miles down, how do we know for sure what's down there? Well, we don't. But by using different methods, scientists can take a guess. The primary way we've learned about the Earth's core is through the study of seismic waves. These are waves of energy that travel through the Earth's layers.
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They move at different speeds depending on the density and the composition of the layer they're passing through. Further evidence comes from the Earth's magnetic field, which is best explained by a dynamo effect. This is the spinning motion of the liquid iron and nickel which generates the field. But something strange happened at the beginning of this year. The Earth's inner core stopped spinning.
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Now, it's believed that the core started spinning again, but in a different direction. And nobody really knows what caused this. We can only guess. A few months later, it was determined that the Earth has an inner core of solid iron about 400 miles wide. So new discoveries are always being made, and everything we know about the inner Earth is just educated guesses.
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Why couldn't the Earth be hollow, or at least have enormous hollowed-out spaces that could support life? Now, skeptics have argued that you can't have life inside the Earth. The main reason, there's no water. Well, when the Kola Superdeep borehole was being drilled, fossilized plankton were found miles below the surface. Still, those are fossils, maybe millions of years old. What about now?
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Well, in 2014, scientists discovered water hundreds of miles below the Earth's surface. Not just a little water. They found so much water, you can fill all the Earth's oceans with it. three times. Most of the Earth's water is not on the surface, it's inside.
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This water exists between 250 and 410 miles under the surface in an area called a transition zone, a buffer layer that separates the upper from the lower mantle. Now, if there's water down there, I wonder what else could be down there. Well, in 2019, geologists from Princeton University published a study that surprised everyone.
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They used supercomputers to analyze seismic data from some of the largest earthquakes ever recorded, including the 8.2 magnitude quake that hit Bolivia in 1994. Earthquakes that big reverberate through the entire planet. We may not feel them, but seismographs can detect them.
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Analysis showed that beneath the surface of the Earth are vast plains and mountains taller than the Himalayas, all deep within the Earth. How deep? 410 miles, the same depth as where the water is found, the transition zone. So what about the entrances at the poles? Well, pictures are hard to find, and they're allegedly all altered by NASA, which we know they do.
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But there are a few photos and videos out there of the poles that show something strange. These photos were taken by the S-7 satellite in 1968. In one photograph, the North Pole was covered by clouds. In another photograph, the same area had no clouds, revealing a massive hole where the pole would be. This was taken from the ISS in March of 2015. NASA says that's a typhoon. Fair enough.
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Well, that's definitely a theory. And as the weird stories piled up and the fishing line kept going down, Mel was at a loss.
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But in 1987, the Russian space station Mir recorded something at the North Pole that is definitely not a typhoon. What is this? The hollow Earth theory has been around for centuries. At one point in history, it was the mainstream scientific view. But is there really evidence to support the hollow Earth theory? Well, yes and no. Modern Hollow Earth theory always starts with Edmund Halley.
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He's a famous astronomer, which gives the theory some legitimacy. Halley put forth the idea because he couldn't explain why magnetic poles were moving. He figured there were shells inside the Earth that moved independently of each other. And he was almost right. During Halley's time, it wasn't yet known that the Earth's core spins, which creates the magnetic field.
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But he was correct that sections of the inner Earth can move independently of each other, including the core, as we only recently discovered. Mathematician Leonard Euler gets credit for pushing the hollow Earth theory in the 18th century. Now, I'm not sure how he became attached to the theory. There's no evidence he ever said anything about it.
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And the concept of Agartha as a legendary subterranean world was first mentioned in the late 19th century. French occultist and esoteric writer Alexandre Sainte-Yves introduced the idea in a book he published in 1885. And according to his writing, Agartha was a place of ancient wisdom and spiritual enlightenment, but he never found actual hard evidence that it was a real place.
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He actually never looked. The idea caught on with other occultists and theosophists like Madame Blavatsky, but the only evidence they provide of the Hollow Earth comes from visions and telepathic communication. And I'll leave it to you to determine if that's proof enough. Most modern Hollow Earth myths come from the Jules Verne novel, Journey to the Center of the Earth.
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Right. Mel needed help figuring out exactly what this hole was. And in 1997, there's only one place to discuss the strange and mysterious and be taken seriously. Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
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When this story was published in 1864, it was a phenomenon and made Jules Verne one of the most famous authors in the world. Before there were blockbuster films, there was Jules Verne. Now, Admiral Byrd's diary describes how he flew into the Hollow Earth and had a meeting with an advanced race of beings who warned him about war and nuclear weapons.
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And this is a common theme in science fiction in the 1950s and 1960s. Admiral Byrd's story is basically the same plot as The Day the Earth Stood Still. It just takes place in Agartha. I covered Admiral Byrd's diary in the other episode. I also explain whether the diary is real or not. Spoiler alert, it's not. Now, the water found inside the Earth is real.
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And when the discovery was made, we were click baited into thinking there are these vast oceans inside the Earth. And there may be, but that's not what this discovery showed. There is a massive amount of water in the Earth's mantle, but it's trapped inside rocks and minerals.
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Yep, lots of it. It's a process called mineral hydration. It's a good way to lock water in in a dry environment. For example, the surface of the moon is covered in water. The water is just embedded in the lunar soil. So the water inside the Earth is real, just not in a way that's obvious. And the mountains inside the Earth are also real, but also not how we might think.
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Again, we were clickbaited into thinking there are huge open spaces underground with mountain ranges, and you can't help but picture scenes from Godzilla vs. Kong. but that's not what they found. There are mountains of material that are denser than the material around them. It's still solid-ish material, just of different densities.
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The NASA video is a typhoon, and the video taken from here was a hoax, but you probably knew that. Now, it's true there aren't a lot of satellite pictures of the poles, and there is a lot of speculation about this. The truth is, there aren't a lot of satellites there.
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It's not worth taking a lot of photographs of the poles because not much changes, and photos that are almost pure white are hard to analyze. Now, there are a couple of satellites in polar orbit that measure how much the ice caps are melting. They're not. Well... A few years ago, you can maybe make that argument, but NASA reports that Antarctica is losing around 150 billion tons of ice per year.
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Now, that's a fair point. But just last week, it was reported that Antarctica is experiencing a Six Sigma event, which happens every seven and a half million years. Oh, this sounds bad. Well, it ain't good. But assuming we're not all underwater, I'll get into that in a future episode. As for things I can explain, there are witness reports of UFOs flying into Mount Shasta.
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No video that I can find, but multiple witnesses have seen this, and I think they're probably telling the truth. UFOs are coming out of the ocean. We've all seen video of that. And if the aliens landed tomorrow and held a press conference where they said, we're not from another planet, but we're from inside this planet, well, that would make sense to me.
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Coast to Coast was on hundreds of stations around the world and had 10 million listeners. If anyone could help Mel, it was Art Bell and his audience. Mel sent Art a message on February 21st, 1997. Art called him and Mel's hole became known to the world. Over the course of several shows, Mel Waters would reveal more and more details about the mysterious hole.
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Scientifically speaking, that's more plausible than creating wormholes and bending space-time to travel through space. But until the aliens announce themselves, or until our government starts telling the truth, we're just not going to know for sure. And there are many, many interesting stories about the hollow Earth.
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And there's no way to cover them in one episode, so keep an eye out for more on this topic. Now, it's true we can't prove the Earth is hollow. It's also true we can't prove it's not. If you follow this channel, you know I try to find as much truth in these mysteries as I can. But the real truth is, some mysteries just can't be solved. And those are my favorites. I say it over and over.
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I try to be very honest because I get lots of things wrong. So someone sent in a Gartha. That was the request. And I had no idea what it was. But this was a week where I didn't have any topics and it was getting kind of down to the wire. And when that happens, I just go back to the tips line and I just look through like, what do we have that could possibly work? And I came across a Gartha.
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I'm like, what is this? And it's like, okay, it's a hollow earth. That could be fun. And then I start researching it, and it's super fun. You can tell in the episode that I'm really excited about it. And that's just, that's gold. When I go into a topic and I have no idea what it is, and then I start researching, I'm like, this is perfect. So that's what happened with Agartha.
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That was a lot of fun. Next up is 62, episode 62, the borehole drilling project that went very wrong. I should go and update some of these titles. Little click baby. Alright, so before you say it, I am aware that I have put on a weight in this video. Okay, that is my COVID weight. And I don't know. It's hard to watch my big round face, but I'm aware of it and I fixed it.
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So go easy on me in the comments. But if you can get past the fat guy, it's another Art Bell story. At least that's where I learned about it. It was someone had discovered like the deepest hole in the world and they put a microphone down there and they heard the sounds of hell. It's only 11 minutes. I'll see you after this.
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When the drill reached 14.4 kilometers, it had broken through solid rock and into a large cavern. That wasn't supposed to be there. From the surface, scientists could hear something coming from the hole. They lowered down an instrument array, including a microphone.
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There was air in the cavern nine miles beneath the surface, but it was mostly toxic gas and the air temperature was over a thousand degrees. None of this made sense. They turned on the microphone. What they heard caused most of the crew to quit on the spot. For the few that remained, it only got worse. They called it the well to hell.
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When the Allies won the Second World War, they quickly scrambled to claim their share of the Nazi resources. Gold, weapons, and oil were highly prized, but no resource was as valuable as the Nazi scientific community. The United States launched Operation Paperclip, which brought over 1,600 Nazi scientists, engineers, and technicians to the U.S. for government employment.
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The good news is Mel was getting really good advice from people all around the world, like use a laser to measure or use radar to check the distance. The bad news is now millions of people knew about this hole. And from clues given by Mel on the radio, you can get a pretty good idea of where it was. The day after the first broadcast, Mel was returning to his property, but the entrance was blocked.
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The Soviets had Operation Oseviakim, where over 2,500 scientists were recruited by the Soviet Union. but abducted. Thank you. This influx of talent kicked off a scientific rivalry that would last the next half century. Nuclear technology was, of course, a priority for weapons and for energy. The most high-profile competition was the space race.
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The Soviets were the first to launch a satellite into orbit, the first to land an object on the moon, the first to put a human in orbit, and the first spacewalk. The United States had its own list of firsts, the big one being the first man on the moon.
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Not this again.
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I can't do this today.
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Okay, whether the moon landing was real or fake... Fake. These achievements pushed both countries to explore further and higher than ever before. It also pushed them to explore deeper, a new competition, the race to the center of the Earth. The American program was called Project Moho. The first borehole was drilled in the Pacific Ocean off the coast of Mexico in 1961.
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But the program suffered from poor management and lack of funding. The Russian drilling program was more focused. They chose a location on the Kola Peninsula for their hole. The Kola Superdeep borehole penetrated one-third of the way through the Earth's crust, over 12 kilometers down. And these are the public projects. The Soviets also had a secret drilling project.
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The world finally learned about it when a whistleblower came forward in 1989. He claimed that buried deep beneath the Earth, was hell.
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Actual hell. He said the Russians accidentally discovered it deep beneath Siberia. And he said there was proof.
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To those who discounted the Siberia sounds from Hell's Story, it is true, and I, for one, wish it wasn't.
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In 1989, Dr. Dmitry Azakov and a group of scientists were working on a borehole drilling project in Siberia. When the drill reached 14.4 kilometers or nine miles deep, the drill bit started rotating wildly. It had somehow broken through solid rock and into a hollow area under the Earth's crust. This cavity wasn't supposed to be there.
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When the drill returned to the surface, it was literally glowing red hot. This also was unexpected. The temperatures at these depths should be about 100 degrees, 150 degrees at most. Instruments were reading temperatures of over 1100 degrees. Dr. Asikoff said it seems like an inferno is in the center of the earth.
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The next discovery, according to Dr. Asikoff, was the most shocking and caused some people to leave the project. At the surface, they heard strange sounds coming from the hole. At first, the engineers thought it was their equipment, so they shut down all the machinery, but the sound was still there.
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Part of the research done at the site was recording the sound of the movement of the Earth using specialized microphones. So they lowered one of these microphones into the hole. Even though it was designed to operate at high temperatures, it overheated in just a few seconds. But a few seconds was enough to prove the sound was definitely coming from the Earth's interior. And it was unsettling.
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Nine miles below the surface, in a superheated cavern, they heard humans screaming in pain. Dr. Asikoff is quoted as saying,
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Yep. The U.S. military was now aware of the hole and they wanted it all to themselves.
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Asikoff believed they drilled into hell itself. Half of the scientists immediately quit. Those who stayed at the job site were in for more of a shock. Later that night, a plume of gas burst out of the borehole and took the shape of a large bat or winged demon. And in the gas, three words were written, I have conquered. The whole job site erupted into pandemonium.
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Then the medical staff received a call from someone, we really don't know who.
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Probably. The medics were told to give everyone a type of sedative which would erase their short-term memories. The Soviets used drugs like this for victims in shock. This account comes from one of those medics who blew the whistle on the operation.
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I feel a but coming.
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Well, what kind of proof would make you happy?
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We don't have that.
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Yep. A 17-second recording has been found.
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I'm not going to read the full article about the Nine Mile Hole. I'm not going to do it. I'm just going to read the... that I got last night, along with what I received, this horrendous sound. Now I've got a clean copy of it now, and I warn you, this could scare you.
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The story of the Russian well to hell circulated for years. And even though it was reported by a few major news sources who claimed it was real, nobody had actually heard the audio. Without evidence, it's pretty easy to dismiss the story as nothing more than an urban legend. But in 1998, Art Bell, host of the Coast to Coast AM radio show, received an email.
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The email said that there is an effort to discredit the story, but it's definitely true. His uncle had a friend at the BBC who had a copy of the recording. He attached the audio to the email. After giving his listeners fair warning, he played the infamous audio that was allegedly recorded from the hole to hell.
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I warn you, what you are about to hear is very disturbing indeed.
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The Well to Hell is one of my all-time favorite urban legends. I first heard it on Art Bell's show. But how much of it is true and where did it come from? The story was first released by the Trinity Broadcasting Network. And TBN is a Christian network that operates television stations and publishes newsletters. In 1989, TBN ran the story Scientists Discover Hell in both print and on television.
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The story was a hit. Rich Buehler, a radio host for Christianity Today, was getting so many calls about the story, he decided to track down the origin. When he contacted Trinity, they said the story was absolutely true. They doubled down. They did. TBN said their source was the Finnish publication Amenusastia, which was, they said, a widely respected scientific journal. Was it? No.
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It was a small evangelical Lutheran magazine. So Rich Buehler contacted them. They said a staff member wrote the story from memory.
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And that person remembered seeing it in a magazine where readers could submit any stories they wanted without sources or fact-checking. No, this was another Finnish paper. The reader who submitted it read it in a Finnish newsletter that covered paranormal stories. Before that, the story was in another religious newsletter out of California, and on and on and on.
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The story was just hearsay and exaggeration, but the companies who published the story kept defending it.
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I'm sure. To make matters worse, a Norwegian teacher named Agen Rendauen heard the original TBN story when he was visiting California. He was so amazed that Americans were gullible enough to believe it, he conducted an experiment. He got back to Norway and found some boring newspaper article and sent it to TBN. But he included a fake translation.
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This is how the whole to hell story picked up the details about the demon. It was a prank made up by someone just to see if TGN would fall for it. And they did. TGN didn't fact check, didn't do their own translation. They just saw a great story and ran with it.
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If they get clicks, they sure do. Anyway, the story has been resurfacing every few years ever since. Sometimes the hole is in Alaska. Sometimes it's in Norway. Sometimes the demon is just a big bat. But that audio clip is always included, which adds a little extra eeriness to it. And no, those aren't the screams of millions of souls in hell.
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It's actually a layered and looped audio section from a horror movie. No, most people think it's from the 1972 B-horror movie Barren Blood. barren blood. As much as I love the whole to hell story, I think we can call this one debunked. These days, there aren't too many deep drilling projects still operating. As of now, the Kola Superdeep borehole in Russia is still the deepest at 12 kilometers.
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Kola Superdeep has made some interesting discoveries, like fossilized plankton and huge amounts of mineralized water buried deep beneath the surface.
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No demons. At least, not yet. But if they keep drilling, who knows what they'll find. Yeah, yeah, I was chubby. You know, they say during COVID, you either got fit or you got fat. I opted for the latter. Look, I knew I was, like, not staying in shape, but it wasn't until I stepped on the scale and saw the numbers, which I won't tell you about, that I went, oh, we gotta fix that.
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Mel said that the hole could affect things in the environment around it. Animals avoided it, but plants seemed to grow extremely well. Radios acted weird. If Mel brought a radio near the hole, the signal would get very staticky and then start picking up broadcasts from somewhere else. One day, his radio started picking up what he describes as old time music.
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So the weight came off fast. So how did I do that? I did 30 days where I only ate... canned tuna fish that's it that was my meals for 30 days and then the next 30 days i had tuna with celery and onion for the next 30 and i dusted i think that maybe 30 days after that it was tuna with maybe i'll add myself some mayo but that's yeah so That's how I lose weight.
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I take all the pleasure out of food so that just eating a meal is just energy to keep going. Because I was just getting excited for meals. That's dangerous, especially when you're not allowed out. I mean, they let you out, but I'm not going anywhere. I've got to put a mask on. Anyway, let's not get into that. Next up, we've got Operation Sunray.
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This is the story of a classified Soviet mission in Zarychnia, I think is how you say it. They were looking, the Soviet military was looking for a powerful ancient artifact they called Object Number One. Now, they found the object, and it was ancient and powerful, but they didn't make it out with the object. Most people didn't make it out at all. This is a wild story, but it's a fun one.
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Check it out. In early December, 1990, military vehicles and heavy machinery flooded Tsrichnya, a small village in Bulgaria. Soldiers set up a perimeter as workers started digging. This was Operation Sunray. In the 11th century, Tsar Samuel of Bulgaria buried huge amounts of gold and treasure somewhere under the village.
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The goal of Operation Sunray was to find the treasure and return the struggling nation to glory. But that was just the cover story. Colonel Peter Kanev and a few officers knew the truth. There was no treasure. They were after something far more valuable. Object number one. Some said it was the lost Ark of the Covenant. Others said it was advanced alien technology that could bend space-time.
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Whatever it was, it was buried deep underground near the village. Canov thought the mission was a long shot. How was he supposed to find some object underground when nobody knew exactly what it was or where to find it? He had no idea that object number one knew they were coming. And it wanted to be found.
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As Operation Sunray began, Zhirichnya's quiet nights were shattered by round-the-clock digging. It was December in Bulgaria, and the soil was like cement. The treasure story didn't add up. Why so many soldiers? What's with the hazmat suits? Locals were told there was nothing to be afraid of, but something felt off.
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Colonel Kanev led the project and brought in a few other officers, but one stood out, Colonel Delcho Napolitanov, a scientist specializing in advanced technology and paranormal research. Whenever the military faced something unexplainable, they called him.
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From which movie?
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Fine. Anyway, Napolitanov was in charge of all scientific aspects of the project, and it was a good thing he was a paranormal investigator. As soon as the digging began, strange things started happening. Equipment that had worked fine suddenly behaved erratically. As the weeks passed, soldiers grew more anxious. They felt a presence that grew stronger the deeper they went.
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So he goes to change the channel and tunes into a baseball game. This is fine until he learns the game was played in 1967, 30 years ago. Art's first call with Mel goes on for about an hour and then they wrap up. Mel was staying in Ellensburg for a couple of days and had made the call from there.
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They sensed that someone or something didn't want them there. Colonel Kanev dismissed their fears as superstition, too many Bulgarian folk tales growing up. Though he didn't admit it, he couldn't deny there were things happening that he couldn't explain. The villagers also experienced strange phenomena. Glowing spheres hovered above the dig site, moving in formation as if guided by intelligence.
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The air around Terechnya crackled with a static electricity, and then the humming started. At first, it was a faint vibration, barely noticeable, but every day it got stronger. It was a very low frequency, not quite audible, but it caused headaches, nausea, insomnia, and a general feeling of dread.
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People heard whispering, and they started seeing things, shadows in the corner of their eyes, but when they turned to look, nothing was there. Nothing except that feeling. They weren't welcome in this place. The mood darkened further when a young lieutenant disappeared. He went to check the perimeter and never returned. A search party scoured the area, but he was gone. No body was found.
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Discreetly, Colonel Napolitanov told Kenev, there were dark forces at work. If they were going to locate object number one, they had to take this seriously. Napolitanov was a paranormal researcher, but he was also a serious scientist and a colonel. Kenev trusted him. The situation with the soldiers, villagers, and workers was getting out of hand. Conventional methods failed.
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Kanov turned to an unconventional solution. He brought in psychics. One was world famous for accurate predictions. She was called the modern-day Nostradamus. When the Bulgarian military runs out of options, who are you going to call? They called Baba Vanga.
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You just stepped on my cliffhanger.
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No, they called John Wick Baba Yaga. Baba Vanga was a famous Bulgarian psychic.
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Operation Sunray was unraveling. Equipment malfunctions, shadowy figures, voices, and a missing soldier left Colonel Canev grasping at straws. But calling in psychics just made his men more anxious. Marina Napolitanov, the colonel's daughter, and a well-known psychic arrived first.
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No, she really was a well-known psychic.
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You want to know what's in the hole or not? Her reputation was built on a series of accurate predictions about political events, including the fall of the Berlin Wall.
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As a child, Marina's visions were dismissed as an overactive imagination until they started coming true. Now her memories came flooding back. As a girl, she had visions of this place and this very moment. She made telepathic contact with ancient entities called the Guardians. They warned her that something dangerous was buried here that should never be disturbed.
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When Mel Waters returned from town, the access road to his property was blocked by armed military personnel. And there was evidence that heavy machinery had been brought in. Mel was told there was a plane crash on the property, but there was no report of a crash. No fire, no smoke. Still, Mel was told he couldn't access the property until the crash was completely investigated.
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Then Marina felt another presence, older, darker. It wanted something from her. Ellie Luganova arrived next. She was in contact with an ancient being, one of the first humans on Earth.
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Nope. They were told that humans were created by ultra-terrestrials.
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Ultra-terrestrials.
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ETs are aliens. UTs exist in a dimension we can't perceive. They genetically engineered early humans.
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Yeah, it kind of lines up with that story. Ellie was shown visions of ancient humans with advanced technology fighting an entity of darkness.
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Don't get ahead of me.
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Ellie saw a massive underground structure, a portal under Tarichnya linking our world to others, and powerful beings were warning her, stop digging. But like Marina, Ellie felt pulled in two directions. One entity begged her to turn back, another promised ancient knowledge if she would just go forward. But it was the words of Baba Vanga who shook the team.
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Drawing Baba Vanga's attention made the soldiers feel even worse. They knew her predictions came true.
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Several psychics, including one of the most famous in the world, was warning the team to turn back. But the colonel had a mission to accomplish. He wasn't going anywhere, but he should have listened to her because Baba Vanga was right again. Marina directed the excavation, having workers dig a long spiral tunnel deeper into the earth.
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The ground seemed alive, responding to them, helping them even. Their equipment now worked perfectly. They didn't realize they were no longer in control. Marina and Ellie's visions began to synchronize. The guardians Marina saw were protecting the portal that Ellie saw, and behind it was an ancient evil presence, imprisoned for thousands of years. They were getting closer and they could feel it.
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Conflicted by warnings to stop and entities urging them forward with promises of truth, they shared their thoughts with Colonel Canev. He didn't care about portals or aliens or interdimensional beings. He just wanted to find object number one. The soldiers were tired. They felt like Marina had them digging a giant circle until Marina said, Here. Ellie heard a voice say, Do not continue.
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When Mel asked to speak to the person in charge, a man in civilian clothes told him that the land was not necessarily his anymore and it would be very easy to find a drug lab on the property if he didn't leave. Mel threatened to go to the press. The man in charge, the man in black, told him, go ahead and talk. Nobody would believe it. But Art Bell and his audience would believe it.
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What lies beyond is not your kind. Then she had a vision of a large rectangular stone emitting a soft blue light. Find the stone. Find the truth. They dug. Five feet down, nothing. Ten feet down, still nothing. The soldiers were exhausted and skeptical, but the women insisted something was there. Fifteen feet, nothing. Twenty feet, they hit something solid.
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They cleared the soil and saw a stone barrier carved perfectly smooth and was gently vibrating. Marina knew the guardians put this barrier here for a reason, but she couldn't resist. She had to know what was behind it. But their tools were useless. They couldn't even chip the thing. And going around it wasn't an option. It seemed to cover the entire area, like a shell.
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Right. Colonel Caniff said the mission had to continue. He ordered explosives.
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The detonation shook the Earth. Dust hung in the air for what felt like forever. But when it finally cleared, they saw they had broken through the barrier. But this only created another unsettling mystery. They'd uncovered an entrance to a dark spiral tunnel descending deep into the earth. This was not a natural formation. Its walls were smooth and polished.
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Steps were carved into the tunnel floor. Soldiers, workers, and officers stared in awe and terror. Marina was quiet and still. Her eyes followed the steps down, down, till they disappeared into the darkness. Without looking up, she said, It's awake. The End Marina Napolitanova stood at the top of the staircase, staring into the void. The whispers in her mind became screams.
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Her childhood visions had come true, leading her to this moment. The guardians were terrified, begging her to stay away, but she felt compelled to go, as if she were being dragged there. Ellie Laganova felt the same pressure from the ultra-terrestrial beings. Then she remembered something Baba Vanga said about what she would find.
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She had seen the chamber in a vision, a shell made of rounded metal with markings on it. Inside was something extremely powerful and important. The beings begged her to turn back, but Elia had no choice. Ancient knowledge was down there. She took the first step. Marina followed. The footsteps echoed as they descended. The uneasy soldiers looked at each other. Every instinct told them to stay put.
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This wasn't what they signed up for, but orders are orders. So down they went. A few more soldiers followed. They walked cautiously down the steps into the darkness. They didn't know it at the time, but they weren't coming back. The smooth walls of the tunnel were covered in symbols they didn't recognize. They weren't sloppy scratches in stone, but deliberate and precise, as if carved with a tool.
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So we're not going to do all of them, but I picked seven, six or seven of my favorites. And really the only way to kick off a good hole compilation is with a classic, Mel's Hole.
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Scientists later said they resembled ancient cuneiform, but they were much older than anything ever found on Earth. The soldiers crept down the spiral staircase, weapons raised. The air got heavier and colder. Their flashlights were flickering candles. They couldn't penetrate the darkness. They didn't feel like they were being watched. They knew it.
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And a few days later, Art called Mel for an update. Mel said that a neighbor saw a dark beam coming out of the hole and up through the clouds, darker than anything he'd ever seen. Now, Mel admitted he didn't see this himself, but Art Bell and several callers said that this part of Washington has a lot of UFO sightings, disappearances and other paranormal activity. Callers had their own theories.
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Marina was bombarded with chaotic commands from the entity, growing stronger with each step. She tried to resist, but was powerless. Ellie was also struggling. She saw ancient people performing rituals here to seal the portal. The symbols on the walls were changing, and she wondered if she was the only one who could see it. The rest of the team was on edge.
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Shadows flickered at the edges of their vision, never quite in focus. The walls seemed to shift. They were disoriented, unsure if they were going straight or in circles. Colonel Kanev, the skeptic, was experiencing something he hadn't felt in a long time. Fear. Halfway down, the staircase opened into a chamber. The air had the sickening sweet smell of death and decay.
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One of the soldiers swung his flashlight and caught a reflection. Set in the wall was a large rectangular slab of stone glowing with bluish light. The stone was an intentional barrier. They all felt it. But as they got closer, the light revealed something more disturbing. The stone was alive. The Stone The group cautiously approached the glowing stone, covered in thick, slimy, pulsing organisms.
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Marina reached out, but Ellie held her back. This was the stone from her vision. The organisms were aware of them. They reacted to them. They warned them to turn back. Then Marina felt eyes on her and turned. In the far wall was a thin humanoid figure, bigger than any man, with long limbs and sharp alien features. Its red skin emitted a faint glow. The Guardians had warned her.
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It was the Sentinel. Though fused with the wall, it was alive and watching. Nobody knew what to do. They looked at Marina, but she was lost in the Sentinel's gaze. Then came the first death. A young soldier suddenly collapsed, convulsing violently before falling still, his eyes frozen wide in a final moment of terror. The men panicked.
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They were spinning around, shouting and aiming their weapons, searching for a target. Colonel Caniff tried to calm them, and then another man fell. And then another. Ellie sensed the entity's satisfaction, feeding off their fear. Marina walked slowly toward the Sentinel, arm outstretched. Ellie called out, but Marina just kept walking.
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As she approached the sentinel, there was a rumble somewhere deep in the ground, getting louder and closer. And suddenly the entire cavern was trembling and men struggled to stay on their feet. Canna was surprised when he heard himself order a retreat. If object number one was here, he wanted no part of it. Orders be damned. He shouted to fall back, but the staircase had vanished.
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The room had shifted somehow. Nothing looked familiar, except for the glowing blue slab. That was still there. That was the only way out. He ordered his men to put charges on it.
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Nope. Ellie was screaming no, but that was just in her mind. She didn't make a sound. She sensed something behind the stone, and she had to see it. Marina touched the wall near the Sentinel. She looked into its eyes and saw them move, watching her. Then its eyes looked up, past her. Marina turned and saw the men setting up explosives. She started to call to them, to warn them.
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Maybe the hole was sitting on a ley line and there was a portal to another dimension. Or it was a portal through time, and that's why everything thrown into it disappeared. Maybe somewhere in an alternate reality, there's a big pile of garbage, old appliances, and dead animals just piling up. Who knows? One caller thought this could be a tunnel to the Hollow Earth.
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And then there was a flash of light. Marina didn't hear the blast, but she felt it. Once the dust settled, the team rushed to the stone, praying it had been destroyed. It hadn't. It was cracked, but not broken through. And it wasn't empty. They had broken the seal. The trap was set, and they walked right into it. Kaniv and the remaining men rushed toward the breach, stumbling over bodies.
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The blue stone was cracked, pulsing with blinding light. Behind it was a smooth metal chamber. Whatever was trapped inside was now awake and angry. There was an energy field humming around it. One man got too close and was thrown across the chamber and crushed against the cavern wall. Soldiers opened fire, but bullets couldn't get through.
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Then a black mist started pouring out, and there was the smell of sulfur. Men clotted their throats, grasping for air, before collapsing one by one. Marina fell to her knees, overwhelmed by chaotic visions of death. Or was it reality? She couldn't distinguish one from the other. A soldier rushed over and grabbed her arm to help, and he was dead before he hit the ground.
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Canov's mind raced, his heart pounding in his ears. He had to find a way out. Two dozen people went in, and there were now, what, six or seven left? Ellie stood over the broken stone, staring at the capsule Baba Vanga warned about. It was covered in symbols she didn't recognize. Then a flash of light transported her to a bright, quiet place.
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The symbols floated before her, and she understood everything. They told a story of creation, of beings beyond the stars who had come to Earth long ago, bringing knowledge of civilization. They designed our DNA and guided our development, a truth we were never meant to know. The capsule contained a creature that wasn't quite human and wasn't quite an animal. It wasn't male or female.
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It wasn't anything, but it was everything. The creature was the seed, the starting point. Its DNA was part of the recipe that created Homo sapiens. That's why it was hidden and protected by all these violent forces. This device could be used to create anything from a man to a monster. It could not be allowed to fall into the wrong hands. Ellie realized the blue stone was more than a barrier.
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It was a warning. A distant voice whispered, it's us. Kanev grabbed Ellie who was in a daze and mumbling, it's us, over and over again. He realized it too late. The entity wasn't protecting the capsule. It was using it as bait. The entire dig was a trap. Another man fell.
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Canav, fighting against the pulling mist, grabbed Marina and Ellie, dragging them toward what he desperately hoped was the exit. The tunnel was twisted. Everything around him was distorted and chaotic. Canav was sure he was losing his mind. Every step was agony. And then he heard it. the entity laughing in his mind, urging him to let go.
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The voice promised peace, knowledge, and truth if he just let go. And he wanted to. He almost gave in when he saw a thin strip of light, the entrance, still open, still reachable. He pushed harder. The entity's grip weakened as they neared the light. Finally, Kanev and the few survivors spilled out onto the cold ground.
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Something like that. There were a lot of theories. And since Bell couldn't access his property anymore, he talked to other locals trying to get more information. An elderly neighbor said that many years ago, there was a series of stone columns around the hole.
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The tunnel sealed itself behind them as the scream of the entity's rage slowly faded. Marina was unconscious, her mind shattered. Ellie was trembling and still muttering, it's us, it's us. Kenneth coughed and tasted sulfur as he gasped for air. He stared at the sealed entrance. The entity was still in there, waiting for the next fool to take the bait.
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Kanov gave the orders, no more digging, no more object number one, no more mission. The entity claimed 18 lives, bodies that would never come home. He called for cement mixers to fill the hole with every bit of concrete they had. The Tsaritchina Hole, once a site for discovery and hope, had become a place of horror.
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Kanov felt lucky that a few had escaped, but the entity wasn't finished with them just yet. On December 6th, 1990, the Bulgarian military launched a secret mission in Tsaritshina to hunt for alien artifacts. They dug a hole 200 feet deep and over 500 feet long. The work continued steadily for almost two years.
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Then, on November 19, 1992, the military suddenly gathered their people, tents, and equipment and poured concrete into the hole, sealing it forever. Operation Sunray was over, but its effects lingered. UFO sightings increased. Glowing spheres returned. Strange, threatening notes appeared around town. People experienced psychological trauma and physical illness.
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There were reports of poltergeists, energy fields, cryptid sightings, strange weather, time distortions, and bad luck.
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Oh, those happen too.
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It's either the most paranormal place on Earth, or it's not. Most details of the Derichina story come from Colonel Canove's book, The Derichina Phenomenon.
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There's always a book. He talked about the energy fields, the alien technology, and the metal object that blinded them with light.
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Right, but without the crossbeams, which are called lintels.
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After his book was published in 1992, the story evolved, with new details replacing the old ones. Today was a moderate version. Some people get really creative with this one. Hundreds of podcasts, videos, and articles about the Zurich Nahal incident are floating around. All tell a different story. All tell a good story. None of them are the truth. Here's what really happened.
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General Radnyu Minchev was convinced by psychics that Tsar Samuel's treasure was hidden under Zrichina. Nobody bothered to check that at the time, Zrichina was part of the Byzantine Empire, making it unlikely they'd find any treasure there. But Elia Loganova was convincing. She channeled a super-intelligent being named Roro, who confirmed the visions and promised to guide them.
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Yep, that was the name of the interdimensional being talking to Ellie. Roro.
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Someone from the audience reminded Mel that calling into the show is a big mistake because obviously the government is listening. So the show ends and Mel agrees to come back for an update. On the day Mel is scheduled to reappear, he's a no show and not picking up his phone.
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Minchev, suffering from prolonged cancer at the time, was in a weakened state and vulnerable to influence. Plus, in 1990, Bulgaria was chaos. The psychics convinced him that this operation would bring glory to Bulgaria, so he approved it and launched Operation Glory.
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Well, Canove's book calls it Sunbeam, but eventually it became Sunray, but officially it was Operation Glory. Colonel Napolitanov was put in charge, but he didn't trust the psychics. He felt that they were using the general.
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No, Kirill Kanev was just a researcher. The internet might be confusing him with General Denev, who was in charge of the logistics, but Kanev wasn't even there. Yet in his book, he claims he was and portrays himself as a hero. As soon as Colonel Napolitanov's daughter Marina was brought in, they both started having headaches and feeling sick.
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Because Colonel Napolitanov was against the operation and very vocal about it, he believed that he and his daughter were being targeted by a psychotronic weapon.
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No. Psychotronic weapons influence someone's mind and behavior. The colonel said that he and his daughter were being targeted by a weapon developed by the Soviets. They were being told to jump off a building. He suspected that General Minchev was ordering the attacks. Midway through the project, Marina left, and shortly after, she jumped off a 10-story building.
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Afterward, the colonel lost it and filed a formal complaint with the Ministry of Defense. He blamed General Minchev and then left the project. His complaint reads like a man losing his mind. The military tried to have him committed for these wild allegations. 18 months later, he jumped off a bridge.
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There's not. But those are the only juicy parts of the story. That's it. The dig didn't turn up anything, and it came under public scrutiny. A commission was sent to investigate, and they were not impressed. The geologist on the team, Dr. Jivko Ivanov, testified the only thing he found odd was the military was hiring psychics.
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What we do know is that a lot of government money disappeared during this project. Millions of dollars. Many witnesses said this project was a scam perpetrated by General Minchev. They got caught, the project was shut down in a hurry, and all documents were destroyed. When the Soviet Union collapsed, the entire Eastern Bloc fell apart.
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Bulgaria's communist government ended in November 1990, and the democratic constitution wasn't passed until July 1991. So for a year, there was essentially no government in Bulgaria. With no law, the powerful took advantage. Operation Glory was launched just a few weeks after the communist government fell. The same people who are always in charge when there's no democracy.
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Right. Military leaders with troops and weapons at their disposal, like General Minchev. Corruption was rampant in Bulgaria during this time. It still is. Bulgaria is notorious for having crooked politicians, judges, and law enforcement at the highest levels. It's still like that today.
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Are you being sarcastic?
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Now, on this channel, we have nothing but respect for the agents and officers in the field.
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That was a weird metaphor.
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I was more of an Enos fan. Ellie Loganova's still around, and she tells a version similar to the one in Canove's book. She had four notebooks that documented everything, the proof, but they were confiscated by the military. And now she's selling her own book that talks about the story.
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So, Operation Sunray, Lightbeam, Glory, people were there. Whether or not you believe these things happened to them is up to you. But before you make a decision, here's something. In 1981, the Bulgarians launched the Goliamo-Gradist expedition in the mountains near the border with Turkey.
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At Goliamo, they were searching for buried treasure, but they were really looking for ancient artifacts or alien technology. They brought psychics with them. They were told the location by Baba Vanga.
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They had an encounter with aliens and dark forces. A couple of people died. Some managed to escape. They sealed the cave and left in a hurry. And that project was also covered up. I listen to lots of podcasts about how the people in the area feel like there's a special energy there. It's a paranormal hotspot. There's a vortex. It's on a ley line. All that stuff.
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That may be what the young people say because it's fun. But the older folks who were there for the dig said nothing strange happened and they'd like to be left alone. but they never will be. Stories like this resonate because we know there's more to reality than we understand, so we keep asking questions. But it warns us we might not like the answers, and some mysteries are better left unsolved.
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This story has been told forever. Pandora's Box, the Tower of Babel, Faust, the Fisher King, the Matrix, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
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The three-body problem.
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All stories about pushing boundaries in search of hidden knowledge that lead to unintended and often disastrous consequences. This is a theme that's going to keep turning up until we finally understand the universe and our place in it. That's going to take a while. So we're going to keep seeing variations of this classic story again and again. And you know what? That's fine with me.
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Just leave Indiana Jones alone. That was a fun episode to produce. But I'm always nervous with those kinds of stories. Because they're obviously fake. And they're easily debunked. But where I get nervous is I take creative license with those. And, you know, it feels dishonest. Like when I'm covering a story, I don't want to add to the lore.
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Because I see that happening now with the channel being a little bit bigger. I'll see some details introduced to like an urban legend that I added. And I don't, I kind of don't want to do that. But there are some stories that are so fake that there's gaps in the narrative. So I just kind of fill it in to make it work. And I don't know, I'm kind of torn.
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Because I don't want to contribute to the urban legend, but at the same time, they're super fun to write and watch and produce. So you tell me. Let me know what you think. And that's not me fishing for comments. You can email me or send a chat during one of the live streams. When I say I'd like your opinion, I actually would. So, okay. Now we'll go back to episode 50, Derinkuyu.
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So that's the huge underground city in Turkey discovered by a man who was renovating his basement. He just kind of put the hammer against the wall and just opened up this cavern to an underground city. It's a fun episode. Only 11 minutes, so stick around. A man from Derinkuyu in the Nevershire province of Turkey was renovating his basement.
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Using only a sledgehammer, he broke through one of his walls. He felt cool air coming in from the other side. When the hole was large enough to squeeze through, he decided to investigate. And inside, he found a small room-sized cave. And at first, he was excited. This could save him a lot of work. This area of Turkey has a complex cave system, so he thought he accidentally stumbled into one.
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He didn't. When he turned on his flashlight, he saw writing on the walls. Roman, Greek and languages he didn't recognize. That first small room was only the beginning. Let's find out why. Flashlight in hand, he followed the narrow stone hallway. At first glance, this looked like a natural cave formation, but upon closer inspection, he wasn't so sure.
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It would be three years before Mel resurfaces. He said he was offered $3 million a year to lease his property to somebody. But the deal was sign a nondisclosure agreement, leave the country immediately, and never come back. So Mel takes the deal, and he lives in Australia for two years. But he's missing his family and decides to come back to the States for a visit. Not smart. It wasn't.
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The stone ceiling was rough, like you'd expect to see in a cave, but the walls were smooth. Over hundreds or thousands of years, an underground river could have eroded away the stone, but there was something eerie about this place. It was as if he could feel a human presence. The hallway continued for some ways, eventually spilling into a large room that could fit dozens of people.
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And from here, he found a system of passageways. And here and there were more small rooms. And some looked like storage areas with crevices that could have acted as shelves. And around every corner, he found more rooms. First, he thought this was some kind of hideout, but it was just too big. Nobody could have built this.
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So after exploring a few hours, he thought he finally reached the end of the structure. But after making a sharp turn, he saw actual carved stairs, which led down even further into the darkness. If there was any question before, now it was clear this wasn't a natural structure. It was built by people, but it was too massive for him to explore on his own.
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So when he made it back through the hole in his basement wall, he called the Turkish authorities and described to them what he'd found. They told him he was describing the myth of the hidden city of Derinkuyu. And the man knew the story well. He'd heard it since he was a boy.
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The myth of Derinkuyu talked of an ancient city which provided refuge to every citizen in the area, built thousands of years ago, hidden beneath the surface. He knew the myth of Derinkuyu very well. He then said, sir, with all due respect, it's not a myth. Derinkuyu is in the Cappadocia region of central Turkey, which has very distinct geology. Millions of years ago, volcanoes covered the area.
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When ash is ejected during a volcanic eruption, it solidifies into a type of rock called tuff. And tuff is a relatively soft and porous rock found all over the region.
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Well, it comes from the Latin word tophus, meaning sandstone.
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We're not selling the stuff.
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May I continue?
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Because tuff is so pliable, it's been used for construction since ancient times. Romans used it all over the empire, and the statues on Easter Island are also made of tuff. So it's not surprising that people in Turkey have been building with this material since prehistory. But rather than mine the stone and build up, the people in Derinkuyu built down.
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There are hundreds of subterranean houses in Cappadocia, and some even go down two stories. But there's nothing quite like Derinkuyu. The underground city of Derinkuyu goes down over 250 feet. In the first few years of exploration, experts went 18 stories down, and since then, two more levels have been discovered. It might go down even further. Archaeologists are still excavating.
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The total area of the city discovered is five square miles, or 13 square kilometers, and housed over 22,000 people. The upper floors were used as apartments, closest to the fresh air. But Derinkuyu has a complex system of over 16,000 ventilation shafts that allow air to circulate through every room in the city. It also has a fresh water supply.
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At the lowest levels of Derinkuyu is a series of underwater rivers, and wells were centrally located to bring water to the entire city. In fact, people living on the surface above Derinkuyu had been using wells originally intended for the underground city. They just didn't realize what was underneath them. Incidentally, Derinkuyu is Turkish for deep well.
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You need to get past the names, pal. The tunnels seem to go on forever. To walk from one end of Derinkuyu to the other is a seven kilometer walk, or four miles of tunnels. As you move further down the structure, you'll find areas that meet every need of a self-contained city. There are dining halls, churches, schools. There are rooms for pressing and storing olive oil.
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There are markets, bakeries, wineries, libraries, and storage for vast amounts of food. A few more levels down are areas for keeping livestock and stables for horses. There are areas for butchering, curing and storing meat. Thousands of people could survive for a very long time completely underground. But who would build a giant subterranean city and why?
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Mel was warned not to do this, but he does it anyway. And during this time, he gets in touch with Art Bell and agrees to come on the radio. But he never shows up. Mel said on the day he was supposed to come on, he was on a bus to visit his nephew. And on the bus, there was some kind of altercation and the police were called. All the passengers are questioned and put on a different bus.
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The land in the Cappadocia region of Turkey is extremely fertile, ideal for farming. So why go through the trouble of building such an elaborate underground city? Well, most archeologists agree that Derinkuyu was built for protection, but it's more than a bunker. It's an underground fortress.
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There are about 60 surface entrances to Derinkuyu, and these doors are hidden in buildings and courtyards and parks all over the town. But when the doors are closed, they're just part of the landscape, and there was only a single main entrance into the city. When under attack, residents would retreat underground using one of the many hidden doors.
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And the doorways were protected by massive circular stones that could retract and could only be opened from the inside. And these doors weighed a thousand pounds each or more. And the main gate was even heavier. The access tunnels at the surface are very narrow, requiring people to enter single file. And this was intentional.
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It would force invaders into choke points to make the city easier to defend. And most levels had armories to allow soldiers and citizens easy access to weapons. Even the local militia had dedicated stables to maintain horses for a small cavalry. They could ride out through a secret exit and take invaders by surprise. And Derinkuyu's multi-level cave system wasn't designed randomly.
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It was well thought out. All of the city's levels are interconnected, but they could individually be sealed off from one another, preventing enemies from going any further into the structure or sealing them in. Even the water supply was designed with defense in mind. It could only be controlled by the bottom up. So if invaders breached the upper levels, their water would be cut off.
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And this system helped prevent the water supply from being poisoned. And as a last resort, there were dozens of hidden passageways that led out of Derinkuyu. and a passageway that leads to Kaimakli, another underground city that is about four miles away. And you can travel there completely underground.
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Well, Kaimakli is still being excavated, but some say it may turn out to be even bigger than Derinkuyu. It's thought that there could be an entire series of interconnected cities all around this area, completely underground. So we know why this huge subterranean city was built. But who built it? Well, that's where there's some disagreement. But we do have some clues. So who built Derinkuyu?
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Well, the structure is made of stone, so carbon dating is no help. But there are a few theories. Some believe construction started with the Hittites between 3,000 and 4,000 years ago. And a few Hittite artifacts have been recovered which make this case. The Anatolia and Hittites controlled a large portion of Asia Minor, reaching all the way to Upper Mesopotamia.
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And Cappadocia and Derinkuyu were right in the middle of Hittite territory. And this region of Turkey was a main corridor for trade. So in the ancient world, whoever controlled the trade routes would be able to impose their will on the entire region.
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That's right. This was very desirable real estate. Hittite cities were under constant attack from outside forces. An underground fortress would have been very useful to protect this land and its people. The Hittites had enemies on all sides. They were constantly at war with the Assyrians, the Thracians, and of course, the Egyptians.
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And the people that gave the Hittites a lot of trouble and may even have been responsible for their eventual demise were the Phrygians. The Phrygians inhabited central western Anatolia in ancient times and were related to the Greeks. We all know the story of the Midas touch. The muffler guy? No. Midas was a Phrygian king who, according to legend, could turn anything into gold.
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He didn't. Some believe the Phrygians constructed or at least expanded and improved the city of Derinkuyu. And the Phrygian people were talented engineers and architects. They undertook large, complex building projects all over their territory. Considered some of the greatest builders of the Iron Age, the Phrygians had the skill, knowledge, and ingenuity to create an elaborate subterranean city.
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Several of the rooms in Derinkuyu have been determined to be ancient chapels. And on the chapel walls are inscriptions written in Greek. Now, the Hittites wouldn't do this. But the Virgians would, and they controlled the area until about the 6th century BC when they were conquered by the Persians. There are even written records that may support this.
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Xenophon of Athens wrote Anabasis in 370 BC, documenting a Greek army expedition to Persia. He mentions a people in Anatolia and Cappadocia who lived underground in dwellings large enough for entire families. Now, though they didn't build Derinkuyu, early Christians occupied it in the first century AD.
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And the next thing he remembers is that he's in San Francisco and 12 days have passed. Mel woke up in an alley. His wallet and keys were missing. He realizes his arm hurts. He rolls up his sleeve and there are needle holes and tape marks from an IV. And as he becomes more lucid, he tastes blood in his mouth. His back teeth are missing. Mel never makes it back to the property.
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Within the complex are several Christian churches, and there are Christian symbols and writing all over the upper floors. They also added vaulted ceilings and other structural features found in Christian architecture. And Derinkuyu was a place for Christians to hide from Roman soldiers and practice their faith in secret, avoiding persecution from the Roman Empire.
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And during the Arab Byzantine Wars from 780 to 1180, Muslim Arabs used Derinkuyu. They also expanded the structure and inscribed the walls. Now, there's no consensus on who built Derinkuyu, but its role in history is undisputed. It was a shelter from attacking armies, refuge from raiding tribes, and sanctuary to the faithful who feared religious persecution.
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I like to think that if the first builders knew how many thousands of people would use this city to protect their faith and their families, those builders would be proud. Derinkuyu is an important discovery, and I hope it inspires others to explore. Undiscovered secrets are all around us. Now, sometimes the walls that obscure the truth are miles thick, but other times they're paper thin.
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But whether by innovation, persistence or sheer luck, those walls can be breached. It's at that point that a wardrobe becomes a gateway to Narnia. Platform nine and three quarters opens up a world of magic and a few inches of stone in a humble Turkish basement reveals an ancient underground city. I encourage you to break down these walls wherever you find them.
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Whether it's a literal wall, as in this story, or a wall in your mind holding you back from an adventure. Break down that wall. You never know what hidden world you might discover. Next up is number 157 about the Hypogeum in Malta, allegedly built by giants. In 1985, Maltese pediatrician Anton Mifsud got a frantic call from his contractor. He was clearing a piece of land for a new medical clinic.
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Dr. Mifsud was hoping they didn't need more equipment. They were isolated on Gozo, one of the islands of Malta. The nearest mainland was the Italian coast, 60 miles away by boat. But Mifsud quickly realized this wasn't about equipment. The contractor sounded worried, afraid even. Mifsud wondered if someone had been hurt. He got the contractor to calm down and tell him what had happened.
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While digging, workers found human bones. The doctor said they should just call the police. But the contractor said there was more to it. The skeleton they found was 10 feet long. Dr. Mifsud said that was impossible. No human ever lived that was that enormous. Then he remembered the legend. It was a late winter night on the island of Malta many thousands of years ago.
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A farmer was awakened by a strange rumbling sound. It sounded like wind, but deeper. His family was still asleep, no need to wake them until he figured out what this was. The farmer stepped through the low entrance of his hut and stood at the edge of his wheat field. It was just a day or two after the new moon.
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It should have been pitch black, but an eerie orange light washed over the field and it was getting brighter and the sound was getting louder. It wasn't wind. He'd seen meteors before, but they were small and came in bunches. This was a single large object blazing a path through the night sky. Then he became afraid. It was getting bigger.
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There was legal action taken against him for illegal construction, power lines, septic tanks, paved roads. Of course, he didn't build these. The government had occupied the property for two years. Still, Mel lost everything. And a day or two after calling into art show, his bank account was emptied. Now, to be fair, plenty of people are calling in saying that this is all a hoax.
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This fiery object, whatever it was, was headed straight for the island. He wanted to warn his family, but there was no time. Seconds later, it roared past. It left a trail of fire in the sky above his hut, his field, and then into a valley nearby. A bright flash lit up the island and the sea beyond. Then, just as quickly, the darkness returned. The farmer's wife stepped out of the hut, afraid.
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He turned to comfort her. Whatever it was, it crashed. The danger was over. But she wasn't looking at him. She was staring at something behind him in the direction of the crash. The farmer turned around and saw a huge figure emerge from the woods, a dark silhouette that stood higher than the trees. The giant, called Sansuna, had arrived.
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When Sansuna emerged from the woods on Gozo, the locals were terrified. But despite her overwhelming size and strength, she eventually earned their trust. She claimed to be from a race of beings called the Nephilim, and she promised to protect them. The farmers in the islands were in constant danger from raiders and pirates.
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But now with the arrival of this giantess, the Maltese had a powerful guardian. Islands were abundant with huge limestones, some weighing 20 tons and stood 20 feet high. To the Maltese people, the stones were too large to be useful. This was thousands of years ago. They had no metal tools. They hadn't yet discovered the wheel.
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But Sansuna was able to pick up even the largest stones and carefully place them one by one. Soon, enormous temples were assembled. Some had walls three stories high. She built 30 different megalithic temples across the islands. The most impressive temple is on the island of Gozo. The farmers named it Gigantia, the Maltese word for giant.
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Gigantia is made of two separate buildings built using enormous limestone blocks, and it still stands to this day. But as the centuries passed, Sansuna became nothing more than a local legend, a myth. No one believed these enormous stone blocks were carried by a giant. No one believed in giants. Until they found the bones.
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The Maltese islands have been continuously occupied for thousands of years. They're strategically important. They're 60 miles from Italy and 180 miles from North Africa, right in the middle of the Mediterranean Sea. The Phoenicians were the first empire to claim Malta. Then came the Romans, then the Byzantines, the Arabs, and the Christians.
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In 1530, Malta was governed by a nobleman named John Abella. He was the first person in a long time to take interest in the temples on the islands. He collected artifacts and documented ancient buildings. Most were buried in debris from centuries of neglect, but a little digging revealed the structures were enormous.
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Abela didn't understand how these huge temples could be built by ancient farmers. One day, a worker found something wedged in a rock fissure. When Abela saw it, the answer to who built the huge structures was clear. They were built by a giant. The worker handed Abela a femur, the largest bone in the human leg. Except this femur was twice as large as a normal human's.
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A person with a femur this big would be about 10 feet tall.
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But Art Bell is the master. Hoax or not, it's a great story. So he lets Mel continue. But art does say that a TV crew was in the area looking for the hole. They didn't find it, but they did find evidence of a lot of military activity. And the no fly zone has been mysteriously expanded to cover the area.
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Soon, Abela had workers all over the island hunting. And by 1647, he had enough bones to publish a pioneering book that made him famous. He's been called the father of Maltese history.
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That's not really important to the story.
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It's Italian. I can pronounce it.
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The book documented skull fragments, giant femurs and tibias, impossibly large vertebrae, and enormous pelvic bones. Abella concluded that the Maltese temples were built by a prehistoric race of giants that lived on the islands. Abella turned his home into Malta's first museum. He put the bones on display and opened the museum to the public.
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Anatomists and naturalists who saw the large bones agreed. They must have belonged to giants. Skeptics said they were animal bones, and until the sites were fully cleared, there was no way to know for sure. Then centuries later, proper archaeological excavations were done. But what they uncovered didn't solve the mystery. It added to it.
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In 1915, a Maltese farmer kept hitting large stone blocks while plowing his field, so he contacted the Malta Museum director, Sir Temi Zamet. Expecting more temple remains, Zamet instead found something quite different, a massive statue. The top had been destroyed, but the bottom remained. Two giant legs and feet. The statue was over 10 feet tall.
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Workers kept digging, and what was a buried statue turned out to be much more. The statue was in the middle of a complex group of megalithic temples. Zamet uncovered one of the most significant and impressive archaeological sites in Malta. They're known as the Tarsian temples. Four structures in all are arranged in a cloverleaf pattern only visible from above.
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The temples were made from limestone blocks. Some are 20 feet tall and weigh over 50 tons. Walls, doorways, even floors made of enormous stones that fit together perfectly. He kept digging. Zamet oversaw the excavation of nearly 30 different sites, all megalithic, all made with enormous limestone, stacked in close-fitting slabs.
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The obvious question plaguing Zamet was, how could Stone Age farmers on a remote island build these things? The temple excavated at Amnajra is even more mysterious. It might be the world's oldest calendar. On the equinoxes, the sun hits the main axis of the temple. On the solstices, the sun hits the opposite axis. The alignment is perfect. Almost.
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In fact, Terra Server, which was a mapping site before Google Earth, showed that the whole area was blacked out. And this was confirmed. Skeptical callers said that Mel could have found the blacked out part of the map and pretended his property was there. The problem with that is TerraServer launched six months after Mel made the first phone call. He couldn't have known.
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Now, it might seem odd that a culture that could build a site with such precision would be off by a few degrees. So what went wrong? Well, nothing. As you know, the Earth slowly wobbles on its axis, and the position of the stars changes over time. This is called precession. There was a time when the Temple of Amnidra was in perfect alignment with these celestial events. 10,200 BC.
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...the Younger Dryas! 10,200 BC is just after the end of the Younger Dryas, when the ice sheets melted and a great flood rushed over the Earth. The flood was quick and it was merciless. Coastal cities were gone, shredded by a mile-high tsunami moving at the speed of sound. Their remains scattered at the bottom of the sea. The only human survivors were the ones on higher ground.
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the entire landscape of the Earth was changed. The cause of the flood is still being debated. Some say it was caused by the impact of a giant asteroid, while others believe it was a massive solar event. But Zamet was exploring Mnidra in the early 1900s. He didn't know anything about asteroids or solar storms, but he did know the story of the great flood.
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The flood was the wrath of God, meant to destroy the Nephilim. The flood was meant to kill the giants. The Nephilim are mentioned in the book of Genesis. They're described as warriors who are large and strong. The Bible doesn't go into much more detail than that. But if we look to holy texts outside the Bible, we get the full story.
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The book of Enoch is not included in the canonical Bible for most Jews and Christians, but it's an important work, especially within the Ethiopian Orthodox Church and among scholars of early Judaism and Christianity.
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The book tells a story about the origins of evil. It starts with a group of angels called the Watchers. God entrusted them with the task of overseeing mankind and they provided order and guidance. Eventually the angels rebelled. They took human wives, which was forbidden. The Watchers were cast out from heaven and forced to live in the underworld. But their evil remained on earth.
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The Watchers and their human wives had offspring. These hybrid beings were mighty giants called the Nephilim. According to the Book of Enoch, these giants wreaked havoc on Earth and are the reason God created the flood. He meant to destroy the children of the Watchers from amongst men.
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Of course, if the Nephilim were destroyed in the flood, they'd be long gone before the early Maltese farmers settled on the island. But in the Book of Numbers, there's more to the story. Moses sends spies to explore the land of Canaan. They report that some giants may have survived the flood.
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The Maltese legend of Sansuna goes back thousands of years before the Bible was written, yet that legend aligns perfectly with what's told in the Book of Enoch. Sansuna was a demigod stranded on the island, a giant who survived the flood, and she wanted to continue her species.
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Soon we learned that a Native American tribe had contacted Mel and asked him if he wanted to come to Nevada and help them research.
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But there were no other giants on the island.
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But she might have taken a human male as a mate. That would explain the skulls.
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In 1902, the British Navy expanded its base in Malta, and new housing developments started popping up all over the islands. On one job site, workers were digging out an area for a large water tank. Suddenly, the ground gave way, exposing an enormous underground chamber. Excavations revealed a subterranean maze of rooms and burial chambers.
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Zamet named the site the Hypogeum, the Greek word for underground. What Zamet found mirrored the megalithic temples above ground. There are limestone walls and doorways, the same slate floors. The stonework is precise and massive. Zamet and his team were stunned by the size of this underground world. Then they discovered this was just the first level. There were two more levels below, maybe more.
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And the Hypogeum was full of well-preserved artifacts. The most common design was the same found everywhere on the island, the figure of a giantess. Many parts of the hypogeum were used as a burial site. That meant there would be bones. Zamet recovered the remains of more than 7,000 people. Some of the bodies date back to the Neolithic period.
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Another bottomless hole.
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He documented every bone he found, until he got to a group of skulls he couldn't quite explain. 12 of them. The skulls were elongated.
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Well, they do look like that. But Samet knew many cultures around the world used head binding to stretch their skulls. So Samet had scientists examine them. And they confirmed that the long cranium was natural, not the result of bonding or boards. But it gets even stranger. Every human skull has a seam between the two parietal bones. It's called the sagittal suture.
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When we're born, our skulls are flexible. That makes it easier for our big head to, uh...
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Right. As we grow, the two halves of our skull fuse together, forming that seam. But these elongated skulls had no seam at all. That's impossible. That seam is a key part of human development.
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Nope, they didn't seem human. Well, not completely human. In 1920, National Geographic magazine reported that the first inhabitants of Malta were an alien race with elongated skulls. Now, Zamet would have called that crazy, except he couldn't explain the skulls otherwise. Then he remembered the story of Sansuna.
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Part of the Sansuna legend is that she carried stones under one arm while cradling a baby in the other. The child was a Nephilim-human hybrid. So let's go back to the skull for a second. For a child to be born with a fully formed skull, it would have to travel through a very large... Babysuit. Yes, like that of a giant. Now, maybe these skulls belong to the descendants of Sansuna.
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If they were human Nephilim hybrid children, they would have the size and strength to carve and build the hypogeum. Now, it's a fun story and adds to the legend, but still, this was conjecture. There's no proof of giants living underground in the hypogeum. Until 1940, when someone saw them.
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In August 1940, National Geographic magazine printed an interesting and disturbing story about Malta and the Hypogeum. First, the article reported that excavators discovered the bones of over 33,000 people who had been sacrificed by an ancient pagan cult. Then there was the story of the children who went to the hypogeum on a school trip.
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Well, I hope so because the children went in and never came out.
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Yep. 30 schoolchildren and their teacher went down a passage. They either got lost or stuck behind a cave-in because they were never seen again.
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To this day, the children have never been found. Which brings us to the story of Lois Jessop. She was in Malta with a few friends touring the various historical sites. It was a hot summer afternoon, so a local suggested they go see the Hypogeum. Not only was it an amazing historical location, it was underground. It would be nice to get out of the Mediterranean sun.
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When they found the entrance, they hired a guide named Joe to give them a tour. They weaved through various passageways and found the entrance to a mysterious looking cave. On the walls were ancient carvings and designs painted with red ochre. The entrance smelled damp and moldy, but once they entered, the air felt clean and dry.
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Their guide, Joe, told them there were three floors of underground rooms. Joe gave Lois and each of her friends a single lighted candle. One by one, Lois and her friends entered the cave. The passage was narrow, so they had to crouch and walk single file. They emerged into a large room with smooth limestone walls.
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The women laughed and talked, and they noticed their voices were echoing and creating a strange humming sound. Joe said the room was built thousands of years ago for a powerful oracle. The oracle would perform miracles using certain sounds. Joe said the room would still work today if anyone knew the correct sound to use. Lois and her friends followed Joe through another narrow passage.
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The ground was steep. They were going down, very far down into the deepest part of the hypogeum.
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Do you mind?
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Yeah, I was building tension on purpose.
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Lois wasn't sure how far down they went, but her senses told her it must have been 20 or 30 feet. The tunnel opened up to another large room. Cut into the walls were shelves. Lois thought they looked like beds or resting places. She got a closer look. They were shaped like coffins. Joe said they buried their dead in here.
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He gestured to a slit in the wall, and Lois realized there were slits carved all around the room, evenly spaced. She looked through one and saw skeletons. Lois asked about them and Joe said they were prisoners and their remains could not be disturbed. They looked around for a few more minutes. Then Joe said, this is the end of the tour. It's time to go back. Then Lois asked Joe, what's down there?
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She was pointing at a small square doorway, maybe three feet wide. Joe said, if you go in there, you go at your own risk and you won't go far. Now Lois felt like this was a challenge. She grabbed the length of rope and tied it around her waist. She passed the rope to another friend who did the same, and then another and another. Lois and her three friends squeezed through the small opening.
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The second hole wasn't located on the Indian reservation where they lived. It was actually on public land that was used by Basques. The Basque are an ethnic group that comes from a small region between France and Spain. The Basque settled a couple of areas in the United States, including Nevada, in the mid 1800s. And they were using this land to herd sheep.
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The four women disappeared down the dark chamber. The other two stayed behind and waited with Joe. It was dark, but the women still had their candles and they were having fun. This type of adventure was exactly what they were looking for. Finally, the passage opened up and Lois was able to stand. When she got to her feet, she felt herself leaning forward. She was starting to fall.
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A rush of cold air hit her in the face and she was yanked back. Now, it's a good thing they used the rope. Lois was on a ledge no more than two feet wide, then it was a sheer drop 50 feet down. And from behind, Lois heard a friend tell her to keep going. They were getting claustrophobic in the tunnel, but Lois was frozen. Here's what she saw in her own words.
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Another gust of wind rushed up from the cavern, this time blowing out Lois' candle, and everything went black. And then she started screaming. She was in pure panic. She heard herself yelling, go back, go back, as she shoved her friends back the way they came. The women spilled back into the room where Joe and the other two friends were waiting, and Joe said nothing, but Lois was suspicious.
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They told Mel that the hole was there for as long as their people were, so at least 200 years. And they consider the hole and the land around it sacred. This hole was just over nine feet wide, just like Mel's. But where Mel's hole had a stone retaining wall of a few feet, the second hole had a metal collar and metal lining down as far as the eye can see. And this hole was warm to the touch.
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A few months later, Lois returned to the hypogeum and found another guide. She wanted to know about the teacher and the children, but the guide shrugged and said he couldn't talk about it. Lois still wanted answers. She asked, where's Joe, the other guide? The man said, ma'am, I alone have been the guide of this catacomb for years. I don't know anyone named Joe.
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Lois went to respond, but something about this man frightened her, so she left. And though it had been her favorite place in the world to visit, she never went back to Malta. Never again. The islands of Malta are steeped in legends. Giants riding comets and building huge temples. Underground cities where the descendants of the Nephilim hide, capturing any human who wanders a bit too far.
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Elongated skulls that appear more alien than human. But how much of this is true? Quite a lot of it, actually. But not all of it. The temples on Malta and Gozo remain a mystery. No one knows for sure who built these structures or why. They remain among the earliest freestanding structures in the world.
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Mainstream archaeology debated the age of the temples for years, saying they couldn't be older than 2600 BC, the Bronze Age. But carbon dating shows they're at least a thousand years older than that. That's a proven fact. As to whether they go back to the Younger Dryas, there's no physical evidence. But the solar alignment theory at Batamnidra is true.
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It would align perfectly if it was built between 12 and 13,000 years ago. We just can't prove it. But for years, mainstream science did get the age of these sites wrong. They were built during a time before humans had the tools to work stone so precisely. They were built before the wheel. They were built before writing. But there they are.
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You couldn't build these things without very advanced engineering and logistics. Nobody has yet to explain how this could have been achieved. As for the giants... The giant bones Abela found in the 1600s turned out to be from elephants, not actual giants. So above ground, there's no evidence of giants. Below ground, things get a little more complicated. But let's clear up a few things first.
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Zamet didn't find 7,000 skeletons. He found about 7,000 bones. In all, about 120 individual skeletons have been identified. As for the 33,000 sacrifices, there's no evidence of that. 120 people, that's all we got. As for the missing children, that's an urban legend. Locals think it was a story parents told their children to keep them out of the hypogeum. In fact, in the catacombs under St.
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Paul's Basilica in Rabat, Malta, there's a wall painting that tells a story of a group of children disappearing in the caves underground as a warning. Now, Lois Jessup's story is interesting. She was a real person, and she really did write that story. I quoted some of it, but it's probably just a story. The types of rooms she describes don't exist in the lower levels of the Hypogeum.
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Now, sure, she might've stumbled into a secret level known only to giants, but you can't get much lower before you're underwater. The curators of the Hypogeum said that if she was in a flooded chamber with a candle, reflections might have disoriented her. Now, that could be true, but the fact that her story includes the missing children is what debunks it.
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If a whole group of children went missing in the 20th century, there'd be reports of it, and there aren't. In 1940, National Geographic magazine wasn't as mainstream as it is today. It often included stories of the fantastic and the bizarre.
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Me too. Now, the elongated skulls are a bit of a conundrum. Sir Temi Zamet was actually trained as a doctor, so he knew a lot about anatomy, physiology, and craniology. He documented the skulls as being of the long-headed type, and that's about all he said.
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You could feel heat all around it. and the metal wouldn't make any sound or vibrate at all. Mel accidentally dropped a tool on the metal collar, and the impact was completely silent. So Mel and the Basque begin their experiments. The first test was they lowered a bucket of ice down into the hole about a thousand feet, and they kept some ice at the surface as a control.
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The skulls were hidden from the public for years, which only fueled speculation, but they were finally put on display just a couple of years ago. They are long-headed, but at least one of them appears to have been artificially lengthened by binding, like many cultures do. But not all the skulls. Now, the skeptics will say the elongation is genetic.
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Or were the skulls elongated as a way of worshiping a prehistoric god who is actually an alien?
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Maybe. They're still being studied. Now, I didn't know much about the mysteries of Malta before researching this episode. And stories about giants, I do those because people like them, not because I believe them.
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But the Temple of Amnidra really threw me off. the Sun really would line up with the structure perfectly at the end of the Younger Dryas over 12,000 years ago. Now, I don't know how many times the Younger Dryas and the Great Flood have come up on this channel, but we're three years in and they've come up a lot. When I first started the Y-Files, I believed almost none of these stories.
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And most of them are still bunk. They're fun, but they're bunk. But there have been a few episodes that, after researching, made me a little bit of a believer. Not a full believer, but much more open-minded. I don't know, maybe I've been doing this too long and the tinfoil is seeping into my brain.
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I was once a complete non-believer. But now, after years of research, I believe the moon might be hollow. Crop circles are real. And I'm starting to believe that maybe, at one point very long ago, great megalithic structures were built by a race of giants. But if that's true, where's the evidence? Well, there wouldn't be any.
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Because when the Great Flood came, the giants boarded their chariots, took to the sky, and went back home. Now, I know the AI annoys some people, but this year, some of the tools have been really good. Like when I watched that episode, I was from seven months ago. I see some of those shots like, oh, I'd love to go back and redo some of those. I wish YouTube would let us do that.
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Did you see the sexy lizard girl that we did this week? I think one of my guys is in love with her. She came out really good. All right, we'll end the whole compilation with the first successful video on the channel that got 50,000 views in its first day. It was mind-blowing. It was episode 64, Operation High Jump. And this is the story about the U.S.
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Navy's task force that went down to Antarctica after World War II looking for Nazi UFOs. Yeah, it's a wild story. But the twist is Admiral Byrd is leading the mission, and he flies over the continent of Antarctica looking for Nazi UFOs, and he finds an entrance to the hollow Earth. And I don't want to spoil the ending, but it was mission accomplished. Operation High Jump commenced in August 1946.
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It was the largest, most heavily armed naval task force ever sent to Antarctica. Leading the mission was Admiral Richard E. Byrd, one of the most famous naval officers in history. The official purpose for the expedition was scientific research and military training. But that was just a cover story. Operation High Jump had other goals.
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When the surface ice was melted, they brought the bucket back up. That ice didn't melt at all. And even stranger, the ice was no longer cold to the touch and it wasn't wet. The ice felt like large pieces of salt. So they tried to melt the ice over an open flame.
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One was to extend American sovereignty over Antarctica, something that was denied many times by the U.S. government. Another was to locate and destroy a secret Nazi base and capture the Nazis' new secret weapon, the flying saucer. UFOs were seen all over the area, suspected to be Nazi test flights. Admiral Byrd was sent to find out.
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Oh, they found a lot more than that. In December 1938, aware that he was on the brink of war, Hitler dedicated considerable resources to searching for mysterious ancient artifacts said to have incredible power.
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The SS Schwabenland was sent on a secret mission to Antarctica. On board were scientists and engineers, but also members of the Thule Society, a German occultist group. The Thule Society believed that a highly advanced race of human-like beings called Aryans existed somewhere deep inside the Earth, and the entrance to their world was at the South Pole.
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The classified mission of the SS Schwabenland was to find a location for a secret underground base and make contact with the Aryans living in the Hollow Earth. And once contact was made, negotiate for access to their technology. The ship reached the Antarctic coast a month later. For the next three weeks, they mapped hundreds of thousands of square miles of the continent.
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About 150 miles inland, aerial reconnaissance found what is described as an Arctic oasis, an area about 300 square miles that was free of ice, filled with warm water, and even contained plant life. And the ocean beneath the oasis was a geothermal vent that kept the area relatively warm. This was the ideal place for a base, especially for U-boats.
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This is where the Nazis would establish the infamous underground facility known as Base 211. Over the course of World War II, Base 211 became a massive complex. as large as a small city. Initially, it was designed as an offensive structure where U-boats and missiles could be deployed.
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But as the tide of war turned against the Axis powers, it became clear that the base would be an ideal way to escape. In the final months of the war, huge amounts of equipment, supplies, and personnel were transported to Antarctica, At the same time, thousands of Nazis escaped justice and were smuggled to South America, with most of them hiding in Argentina.
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One of the infamous German officers to disappear was Hans Kammler. Kammler was in charge of Hitler's secret weapons program. Kammler's engineers had created a prototype long distance supply plane. with a range of over 4,000 miles called the JU-390. Only two of these were made. One of them belonged to Kammler. And as of April 1945, neither Kammler nor his plane have ever been found.
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Nope. It caught fire. Not only that, it continued to burn for months. So they continued sending different amounts of ice down the hole. About two thirds of the time it melted normally, but one third of the time it was transformed. Now, at this point, one of the braver Basque volunteer to go down the hole himself.
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And just a few months later, thousands of UFO sightings were reported all over South America. The American government feared that Kamler and his scientists had escaped to Antarctica, where they were continuing their work, operating out of a secret military base hidden deep underground. But these were just rumors. There was only one way to find out. Go to Antarctica.
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Okay, before we talk about what Admiral Byrd saw in Antarctica... No, come on, just get to the weird stuff. I will, but it's important that you understand what kind of man Richard Byrd was. He was not some pseudoscience conspiracy theorist kook. He was a legitimate badass. Here are the bullet points.
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Richard Byrd reached the rank of Rear Admiral by the age of 41, the youngest admiral in Navy history. Now, that by itself is impressive. But how about this? He was a recipient of the Medal of Honor, the Navy Cross, the Flying Cross, and the Silver Lifesaving Medal. In all, he received 22 citations and commendations, including nine for bravery and two for extraordinary heroism.
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He was, to this day, one of the most highly decorated officers in the history of the Navy. Now, his resume goes on, but I think you get the point. If Admiral Byrd says he wants to be the first man to fly over the North Pole... He doesn't.
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And if the United States sends a major expedition to the South Pole to conduct a top secret mission, well, there's no more qualified person on the face of the earth to lead it than Admiral Richard E. Byrd. Operation High Jump commenced in August 1946.
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The official purpose of the mission was to train personnel and test equipment in cold temperatures, to explore Arctic geology, study the weather, and develop techniques for establishing air bases in frigid climates. Admiral Byrd led a Navy task force of almost 5,000 men aboard 13 ships, including a brand new state-of-the-art aircraft carrier loaded with dozens of planes, bombers, and helicopters.
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This task force was armed to the teeth. There were two destroyers, tankers, supply ships, icebreakers, two heavily armed seaplanes, and an attack submarine, all fully stocked with the best weapons in the entire Navy.
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Right? That mission was the cover story. No personnel training or equipment testing ever took place. No practice maneuvers, no military exercises, no scientific study of any kind was ever done. According to eyewitness testimony, declassified records, and Byrd's own journal, Operation High Jump had other purposes.
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One goal was to extend American sovereignty over the Antarctic continent, something that was denied many times publicly by the U.S. government. Naturally. The other goal was to locate and destroy the secret Nazi military complex known as Base 211. And to capture any flying saucers they could. The armada arrived on January 15th and immediately started building a base called Little America.
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But then the Operation High Jump story takes a turn. Originally meant to be a six to eight month mission, after just 40 days, the base is evacuated and the task force withdraws. this massive, expensive, and important mission is suddenly terminated. So what happened? And this is where Admiral Byrd, a legend in his own time, becomes a legend for all time.
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Yeah, everyone agrees that that's not a good idea. So they decided to send down a sheep.
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The Navy task force retreated to Chile, and as soon as they made port, rumors spread about strange findings and disasters that forced the mission to be cut short. Admiral Byrd himself spoke to the media, and rather than deny the stories, he expressed deep concern about the real possibilities of devastating aerial attacks on the U.S.
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It sure doesn't. Byrd warned that it was imperative for the United States to take immediate defensive measures against hostile forces in the Arctic and Antarctic.
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The Admiral went on to say that he wasn't trying to alarm anyone, but the cruel reality is that in case of a new war, the United States could be attacked by flying objects that had the ability to move from pole to pole at incredible speeds. Admiral Byrd reiterated this in a few different statements.
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He warned that there was a new enemy that could attack any country at any time, anywhere, no matter the distance. When Admiral Byrd got back to Washington, he was immediately debriefed. And though he had just spent two weeks making statements in the press, after a lengthy interrogation, Admiral Byrd never uttered another word about Operation High Jump.
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The mission was immediately classified top secret, and any sailor who spoke about the mission would be arrested and imprisoned. The Navy then published a brief summary of the mission's achievements and admitted some sailors were killed, but they didn't say how many. And officially, all the deaths were accidents, and the bodies were buried there, not brought home.
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During one of his flights, Admiral Byrd was missing for three hours in an episode of Lost Time. but that was officially blamed on radio failure. The official reason for terminating the mission early was poor weather conditions, and that was that. However, you know how Admiral Byrd was missing for three hours and experienced lost time? Well, Byrd was meticulous at documenting everything.
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But when he returned to the States, his journals were confiscated and classified. But the government didn't get everything. He had a secret diary that he gave to his son right before he died. And if any of what he claims to have seen is true, well, it changes everything. According to Admiral Byrd's diary, he fuels up for a flight early in the morning.
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The weather is clear and mechanically the plane checks out. At 8.15, at an altitude of 2,300 feet, he checks in.
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Situation normal. At 10 after 9, he notices a color pattern in the snow. Nothing extreme, but he circles the area to get a closer look. He makes visual contact with camp and radios in his findings. Then his instruments start to act strange. He writes that both his compasses are gyrating so much that he can't even use them. So he uses the sun to navigate and maintains a visual of camp.
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He reports that his controls are feeling sluggish. He's concerned about the wings icing up. There's a little ice, but no indication of a problem, so he continues flying toward what he perceives as a mountain range.
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He crosses the mountain range and descends toward what he describes as a green valley with a small river running through it.
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He drops down a bit and circles back for a closer look. He reports the green as being moss or tight grass. The light seems different here. He can see the ground easily, but he can no longer see the sun. Now, this starts to worry him because he's using the sun to navigate, but he gets distracted by something he didn't expect. On the green valley below, a large animal is grazing.
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Admiral Byrd flies over green pastures that stretch for miles, and he's so amazed by what he's seeing, it takes him almost 30 minutes to realize it's not cold anymore. Frost on his forward window is gone. Same with the bits of ice that were on the wings. He removes his gloves. The window of the canopy is warm to the touch. He records an external air temperature of 74 degrees Fahrenheit.
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The sheep did not want to go in the hole. The closer it got, the more it tried to kick its way out of its crate. They lowered the crate down the hole to 1,000 feet. At that point, it stopped moving. They felt a humming sensation. They left the sheep down there for 30 minutes and then brought it back up. There was no movement. The crate was unchanged and the sheep looked fine, but it was dead.
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His instruments are now back online, but his radio is out. And remember, in the official report, Admiral Byrd was out of radio contact for three hours. So he flies for another hour over what looks to be a countryside or a pasture. On the horizon, he sees the impossible. a large, shining city. The plane shudders. Admiral Byrd grabs the controls, but they're not responding.
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He notices the plane feels light and buoyant. Then, on both sides of the plane, strange aircraft are rapidly closing in. They're disc-shaped and seem to be radiating light, and somehow they're running completely silent. Now, thinking this is now a really good time to head back, Admiral Byrd tries the controls again. No luck.
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The plane's engine suddenly cuts out, but somehow continues flying, controlled by some unseen force. The craft are right up alongside his plane now, close enough that Admiral Byrd can see markings. In that instant, his wonder turns to terror. The markings are swastikas. According to documents leaked in 1991, things back at Camp Little America take a strange turn.
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Just two days after arriving, bright lights were seen on the horizon. The sailors thought it was another ship, but they were below the Antarctic Circle in uncharted waters. The lights then ascended at a 45-degree angle into the sky very quickly. They tried to make radar contact but were out of range.
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Three hours later, five more lights appeared in the sky and began flying directly toward the ships. Anti-aircraft guns and 20-millimeter cannons were fired but had no effect. A radio operator stationed on the USS Brownson gave testimony of how strange craft suddenly appeared from the ocean.
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This is corroborated by Lieutenant John Sayerson, who said objects shot vertically out of the water at tremendous speeds. One object flew between the masts of his ship with such force that the radio antenna oscillated back and forth from the turbulence. An aircraft from the USS Kuratuk took to the sky but was immediately struck by a beam of energy and destroyed.
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About 10 miles away, the torpedo boat USS Maddox burst into flames and began to sink. According to the report, this was the first attack of several that would occur over the next few weeks. February 26 would be the last engagement with the unknown craft. the Navy Task Force ordered retreat and left the area a full six months before their mission was supposed to end.
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Although Lieutenant Sayersen couldn't identify the lights, he wondered if they were what he called German wonder weapons being operated by survivors of the recently defeated Third Reich operating out of a secret base under Antarctica. His testimony has fueled speculation that still exists. And to this day, investigators are trying to determine What really happened during Operation High Jump?
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Admiral Byrd's radio, which hadn't been working for at least an hour, suddenly comes back to life. Though the signal was distorted, a voice starts speaking English with a slightly German accent.
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The plane gently lands itself, and Admiral Byrd is met by several men, all tall with blonde hair. Arians. Sounds like it. Byrd joins the strangers on a platform that levitates and rushes them toward the city at great speed. He's directed to an elevator that takes him quickly and silently deep underground. He is to have an audience with the Master.
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The Basque, being shepherds, knew how to butcher a sheep, so they brought it to a table for a quick autopsy. Oh, for crying out loud, what are they doing? The first thing that they noticed is that the sheep looked like it was cooked from the inside. And taking up almost the entire cavity of the sheep's body was what Mel described as a giant tumor.
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Admiral Byrd is led into another room where an older man is seated at a long table. Admiral Byrd is asked to sit down. The Master says his people are called the Ariane and they've been observing humans for a long time, but only now are they choosing to interfere. The Master says that Admiral Byrd's race is too immature for atomic energy and are at risk of destroying themselves.
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The Master says every time they try to make contact, their ships are fired upon and pursued by fighter planes. So instead, they chose Admiral Byrd to carry this message. Because he's a famous and well-respected figure, the Master hopes that the world will believe him. After the meeting, the Admiral is escorted back to his plane.
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And after flying for a few minutes, a voice comes through the radio that control of the aircraft is now his. A voice says, Auf Wiedersehen, and disconnects.
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When Admiral Byrd arrives at the Pentagon in March 1947, he is debriefed and interrogated for hours. He relays the message from the master and advises the president. He's ordered to remain silent about the operation. And indeed, Admiral Richard E. Byrd never spoke a word about this mission again. The final entry in his diary is a number of years later.
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Admiral Byrd feels what he calls the long night coming, but doesn't want this knowledge to die with him.
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and Admiral Byrd passed away three months later. This secret diary was found by his son, Richard Byrd Jr., and subsequently released, as was his father's wish. And 18 months after that, the Antarctic Treaty was signed, forbidding anyone from going to Antarctica without special permission from one of 12 signatory governments.
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And even with special permission, you may only go in a few small designated areas. Antarctica is bigger than Europe, bigger than Australia. bigger than the entire United States, yet all that land is off limits. Why? Was there a secret Nazi base? Is there a civilization living underground? The UFOs described by the sailors in 1947 behave an awful lot like UFOs we're seeing right now.
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Since we can't go to their world, they could be trying to come to us with the same warning they gave Admiral Byrd. So maybe instead of trying to destroy these crafts and destroy each other, we might want to listen to what they have to say. And who knows? The entire fate of the world may depend on it. Okay, talk about a story having it all. UFOs, Nazi bases, government coverups, even Hollow Earth.
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And I've done a lot of research on Hollow Earth, so if you wanna see that video, let me know in the comments. Anyway, I'll tell you right up front. There's a lot of the story that can be debunked. But not all of it. Let's start with Admiral Byrd's secret diary. It's not real. First of all, the flight in the diary takes place in the North Pole.
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So we're already off to a rocky start since Antarctica is as far south as you can get. And some of the log entries are almost identical to actual published log entries from the Admiral. The same types of instrument failures, engine issues show up in both places for some reason.
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Then the tumor starts moving.
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Also, whole paragraphs of what the master said to Admiral Byrd seem to be plagiarized from the 1937 film Lost Horizon, where the main character is talking to the Dalai Lama who issues the same kind of warning. In 1964, a book about the Hollow Earth was released by Walter Siegmeister under the pen name Raymond Bernard. Admiral Byrd is mentioned quite a bit in the book.
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Bernard went on to write lots of books about UFOs and Hollow Earth. And later, when Byrd's secret diary appeared, Guess who wrote the foreword? Yep, Raymond Bernard. But the dead giveaway for me? The secret diary is full of exclamation points. Like, lots of them. If you read any of Bird's other logs, no matter how excited he gets, he doesn't write like he's posting on Reddit.
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He writes like a gentleman. So what about the Nazis? Here's where it gets tricky. The Schwabenland did go to Antarctica in 1938, but its mission was to secure new ports for whaling to supply Germany with its own whale oil for margarine.
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Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at greenlight.com slash the Y-files. That's greenlight.com slash the Y-files to get started. greenlight.com slash the Y-files. The Jones team was ordered to secure a facility deep in the no-go zone. They loaded up for war. Heavy weapons, body armor, an M134 minigun that could fire 4,000 rounds per minute. They weren't taking any chances.
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The entrance looked normal, just another research building in the middle of nowhere. That was the point. What was underneath wasn't normal at all. The first body they found was face down in a hallway. These weren't slash marks. These were surgical cuts, clean and deliberate. Then they heard skittering. Something moved in the shadows.
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A massive spider-like creature clearly visible against the ice and snow. Nothing could survive there, not for millions of years. But something does.
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Before anyone could react, it lunged, a strider the size of a large dog. The soldiers opened fire, but it was already on Henderson. The thing didn't just attack. It dissected with perfect cuts. Henderson was still conscious and screaming when the Strider peeled his face off. Eleven men became ten. Large Striders were dangerous, but at least you can see them coming. The small ones were the problem.
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Not much bigger than house cats, they moved in packs through the vents. They could climb, they could jump. The team learned to watch the ceiling after finding Mitchell. He'd been dragged out a hallway and into an office. His legs were still twitching while the Striders went to work. Ten men became nine. It took 18 hours to clear the facility.
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In the basement, they found a lab the size of an airplane hangar. There were cages of all sizes. Most were broken open and empty. Bodies were everywhere. Blood trails led to the vents. The largest cage held a strider nearly 40 feet tall. Then they realized this was a breeding facility, and something went very, very wrong. But what they found in the next room is what broke them.
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Two medium-sized striders in a cage feeding on something. Joan's team moved closer. The air smelled sweet and tasted metallic. This cage wasn't broken. It was fully intact with a chute for dropping in food. The striders were loud and violent as they tore through their meal. Then they saw small shoes, a tiny backpack. One of the men vomited. The Striders were eating children.
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Then, son of Ant Anon logged on. Everyone called him Anton. His father, Joe, was a Navy lieutenant and a doctor. He served at McMurdo Station in the 1990s, and Joe knew exactly what that creature was. People were skeptical until Anton posted photos. His father's patches from Antarctic Development Squadron 6. Military commendations on an Antarctica-shaped plaque. Everything checked out.
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Documents scattered across the facility told a dark story. This was a joint operation between America, Chile, and China. They were breeding striders, trying to control them. They spliced genes to make the creatures more aggressive. They were also trying to make them more obedient. Eh, sounds like they got it half right.
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These were apex predators millions of years ago, frozen in the ice until scientists woke them up. But it gets worse.
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Tunnels stretched beneath the ocean floor to cities all over the world. Hong Kong, New York, Melbourne, London. The trains used magnetic levitation technology decades ahead of its time. Lab notes mentioned delivery schedules, regular shipments from major cities. The Striders were being conditioned to hunt specific targets. The shipments were people, mostly children.
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This was the largest human trafficking operation in the world. After his father died, Anton found his old computer, an Apple IIe from McMurdo. The hard drives contained everything. DNA sequences, facility layouts, shipping manifests. All the evidence was there, but he needed help recovering the data. Users warned him to leave the drives alone.
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Some gave advice on not how to recover the drives, on how to destroy them. Others just said, run. Anton never posted again. The Google Earth image that started it all has been scrubbed. The coordinates show only ice and snow. But beneath the surface, the network still operates. What was once confined to Antarctica now has access to every continent on Earth.
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Antarctica is Earth's true last frontier. No country owns it.
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In 1947, Admiral Richard E. Byrd led Operation High Jump, one of the largest Antarctic expeditions in history. They loaded up with enough firepower to start a war.
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The expedition ended early. Very early. During World War II, the Nazis launched Operation Neuschwabenland. Rumors spread about discoveries beneath the ice, underground caverns, ancient ruins, evidence of something that predates humanity. We know high-ranking German officials fled to South America after the war.
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Kextosa? Double. Most Nazis fled to Argentina. Others, according to theories, escaped to a hidden base beneath Antarctica. The US government took this theory seriously. In 1959, they locked down the entire continent. The Antarctic Treaty banned military presence, private exploration, unauthorized access. And it's true that some coordinates are censored.
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That's what allowed the Strider legend to start. Google does scrub images. I had to clean up Anton's posts to make them coherent. I tried not to add too much, but Anton typed like a typical 4chan user. All lowercase, no punctuation. Random slurs for some reason. Anton's military patches and documents seem compelling, but those are easy to fake.
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But the underground bullet train network stretching across continents? That's impossible. Subs can't go that deep. No hollow tunnel could survive that pressure. I couldn't help but notice a lot of his story mirrors The Thing.
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I agree. I can't say for sure that Anton's story is fake, but he was probably riffing on The Thing. He got some things right, though. McMurdo Station has restricted areas. Military personnel conduct classified operations there. The no-go zones are real. The Ninian is another fun story. A massive humanoid creature with pale skin and human features lurking in Antarctic waters.
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But like most cryptid stories, the evidence doesn't hold up. The photos show exactly what you'd expect. Blurry white shapes in dark water, and most are icebergs. Some are photoshopped. Others are beluga whales, which have smooth white skin and round humanoid faces. But the ninian is supposed to be 60 feet long. Beluga whales aren't that big. But sperm whales are. Yes, babe. Stop it.
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Joe was the type who asked questions. At McMurdo, they showed him the no-go zones. Most of Antarctica is restricted by international treaties, but there is one zone about 30 miles east of the base that even military expeditions avoided. When Joe asked about it, they said it was classified. Anton posted the coordinates. When you check them on Google Earth today, the entire area is blurred.
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They sometimes hunt vertically floating upright. Maybe that's what they saw. There's no mention of the Ninyon before the early 2000s, but there is Japanese folklore about creatures called Ninyon, which means human fish. Again, I can't prove it's fake, but it's probably fake. Now, organism 46B, the psychic shape-shifting cephalopod.
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That one is pure fiction. The story comes from a post on a tabloid site in 2013. Dr. Anton Padalka doesn't exist. In 2012, Russian scientists did drill into Lake Vostok. And it's true that an actual freshwater lake two miles under the ice that hasn't been exposed for about 20 million years is there. That's fertile ground for an urban legend to be born. So one was.
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These three stories don't hold up. But Antarctica's mysteries, those are real. UFO sightings, strange lights in the sky, unexplained crashes. Satellite images showed massive structures with entrances under the ice. Once the coordinates got out, the images were blurred.
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Antarctica is bigger than Europe and Australia. It's much bigger than the United States, yet only a tiny fraction is open to the public. You can visit if you're from a signatory country and can get a permit. Good luck with that. Most of the continent is specially protected or specially managed. You need another permit for those areas. You won't get one.
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Antarctica is one of Earth's most restricted places. Maybe that's for a reason. We're told the rules are there to protect the environment, but until we can see for ourselves, we'll always wonder if they're protecting something else. I don't believe in these cryptids, but doing this show has made me believe other things.
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Crop circles are real, the moon is weird, and there's something under the ice at the bottom of the world. I don't know why, but I have a very strong feeling that whatever it is, we should probably leave it alone. Thank you so much for hanging out today. My name is AJ. There's Hecklefish.
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Another user found something else in the area, a gray monolith. Soon, that image was censored. On Joe's first night at McMurdo, there was an incident. Seven soldiers burst through the infirmary's door. They wore snow camo, but no insignia, no unit patches. SFODA, he figured. There were lots of special forces at McMurdo. The soldier they carried in was a mess.
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His white Gore-Tex parka was shredded. Steam rose from cuts too precise for any animal. Razor thin lines that went straight to the bone. The bleeding wouldn't stop. The injured soldier was screaming. We let them loose. They were frozen and we let them loose. Joe needed to know what caused these injuries. He scanned each soldier's face looking for the leader. He asked, what did you let loose?
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He heard a familiar click behind him. He turned around. A gun was in his face. In the early 2000s, a Japanese vessel patrolling Antarctic waters spotted something unusual. At first, they thought it was an iceberg, a featureless white mass floating on the surface. Then it moved. As the ship approached, they realized it was alive. It was 60 feet long with smooth white skin.
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Some crew members saw limbs, arms, hands, even fingers. Others reported a tail like a mermaid.
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Uh, you didn't.
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Can I get back to work here?
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The Russian team at Lake Vostok in Antarctica drilled through two miles of ice. They were inches away from hitting water that hadn't seen sunlight in 20 million years. Then communications went dark. Five days later, two scientists were dead. The official report said hypothermia. A witness statement tells a different story. No country owns Antarctica, but you need permission to visit.
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Was it a soft 18? Don't you dare. All reports agreed on one detail. Its eyes were large, round, and black, and they looked almost human. They weren't the first to see it, or the last. They have a name for it, Ninyon, the Japanese word for human. The crews who encountered the Ninyon never felt threatened. It just watched them floating silently in the darkness.
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These veteran sailors knew every whale, seal, and fish species in the area. This was something new. The pattern was always the same. First, a disturbance in the water, then a pale form rises to the surface, almost invisible against the ice. The creature observes the ships for a few minutes, then disappears silently underwater. In 2007, a Japanese magazine brought the Ninyon to the mainstream.
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It published a blurry satellite image showing something enormous moving in Antarctic waters. People began searching Google Earth for evidence. They found coordinates showing shadowy white figures beneath the surface near the Antarctic coast. The shapes were too large to be whales, too defined to be icebergs. A few days later, the images vanished.
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Cryptozoologists believe the Ninian represents evidence of intelligent life in Earth's oceans, a species that evolved alongside us but remained hidden in the deep cold water. Others have a more disturbing theory. Its humanoid features are proof of genetic experimentation. Secret research facilities in Antarctica spliced whale DNA with humans and created the Ninian.
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Luckily, whales are peaceful, but what would happen if scientists altered the DNA of something more dangerous? The injured soldier wouldn't stop screaming, so the others gagged him. Joe stared down the barrel of a .45 caliber M1911. The man holding it said, treat him, no questions. Joe got to work. The kid was losing blood fast.
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The soldier kept the gun trained on him for a few seconds, making a point. Joe grabbed a trauma kit and asked, Army? The guy nodded. Captain Jones, 10th SFG. Joe knew the 10th Special Forces Group. Green Berets trained for cold weather combat. Jones holstered his weapon. Joe glanced at it and said, no Beretta? Jones shook his head. Not enough stopping power.
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Joe wanted to ask, but anger flashed across Jones' face. Joe just said, I'll take care of your boy, Captain. Jones relaxed, then nodded toward the door. His men filed out. Jones said, thanks, Doc. You'll be seeing a lot of me. And he was right. Day after day, bodies arrived with devastating injuries. These weren't tears or gashes. They were incisions, perfectly straight lines that went bone deep.
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Joe had seen bear attacks, shark bites, industrial accidents, but this was different. This was butchery. In every case, the base commander ordered the same cause of death, hypothermia, even when the body was still warm. But Joe's most disturbing experience happened during a storm. He was driving with another officer when they hit something big and heavy.
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Joe hopped out to check the damage, but his partner started screaming for him to get back in the truck. Joe ignored him and looked under the mangled front end. At that moment, the no-go zones, the secrecy, the injuries, everything made sense. If you've got cats, you know they run the house. And having three Maine Coons like me makes you more than a cat owner. You're staffed.
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You're restricted to designated areas, and you must have a government-approved escort. They say these rules are to protect the environment, but people who've been there know better. These rules are there to protect something else, something dangerous. At the bottom of the world, there are monsters, and we created them. A single image appeared on 4chan's paranormal board in February 2021.
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That's prettylitter.com slash the Y-Files to save 20% on your first order and get a free cat toy. prettylitter.com slash the Y-Files. Terms and conditions apply. See site for details. The leg under the truck was bone white and spindly. Not quite flesh, but not quite exoskeleton. He couldn't see the whole creature, but it had to be enormous.
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The leg alone stretched seven or eight feet and was strong enough to crush the steel of the truck. It twitched once, then disappeared into the storm. A few days later, he learned what was filling his infirmary with bodies. Joe found a journal hidden in one victim's coat. It had descriptions of large white predators that could cross Antarctica's terrain in massive 50 to 60-foot leaps.
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The researchers called them striders. Joe became obsessed and started breaking into offices at night. He found classified files about winter operations at a facility in the no-go zone east of the base. An expense report listed research equipment, but it was really a requisition for ammunition. Thousands of rounds of tungsten core penetrators, not exactly standard issue.
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Whenever a soldier showed up with an injury, Joe would ask what happened, but nobody would talk. It was always a training accident. The base commander realized Joe was a security risk. He was notified he'd be shipping out within the week. Three days before leaving McMurdo, in the middle of the night, Joe was shaken awake. It was Captain Jones. He said, Doc, we need to talk.
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Joe started to tell him to sleep it off. Then he felt something heavy land on his chest. It was a piece of a Strider's leg. Joe immediately started to panic. Jones put his hand over Joe's mouth. As Joe's eyes adjusted to the darkness, he saw Jones was covered in blood. He couldn't tell whose. Jones said he'd just returned from a mission. He needed to tell him about it.
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After months of trying to find the truth, Joe wasn't sure he wanted to know anymore. But Captain Jones was going to tell him anyway. Lake Vostok lies two miles beneath Antarctic ice. It hasn't seen sunlight in 20 million years. The Russians spent decades drilling toward it. In 2012, they broke through. Then everything went dark.
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Not now.
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For five days, nothing. No radio contact, no signals, just silence. When communications returned, two scientists were dead. The official cause? Hypothermia. But Dr. Anton Padalka's classified report tells a different story. The team found something in Lake Vostok that evolved in complete isolation for millions of years. They called it Organism 46B.
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The creature stretched over 30 feet long and looked like a giant octopus.
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Tentacles.
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Yes, it had tentacles. But instead of eight, it had 14.
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Its skin was almost transparent, perfect camouflage in the darkness, but its most terrifying feature wasn't its size, it was its intelligence. The first diver was 10 feet from the creature when it released a toxin into the water. It was instantly paralyzed.
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The second death was worse. The creature could shapeshift.
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The research team captured it temporarily. But like everything else connected to Lake Vostok, organism 46B vanished. Russia's official statement mentioned only bacteria. Then they restricted all access to the lake. The original drilling site was abandoned. Armed guards now patrol the area. In 2017, genetic researchers analyzed water samples from Lake Vostok.
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They found DNA sequences suggesting intelligence far beyond any known cephalopod. Then everything disappeared. The samples, the data, the reports. According to official records, the research never happened. What made Organism 46B so important that it had to be kept secret? Dr. Padalka's final report gives a clue. During its brief captivity, Organism 46B figured out how to disable security systems.
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It understood cameras and lights.
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Hey, thanks for clicking on a compilation. I just learned that a lot of people watch these to help them fall asleep. So I'm going to choose to take that as a compliment. But I am working on a sleepy time compilation specifically made for those of you who can't seem to stay awake.
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There's evidence this happened at the end of the Younger Dryas, which marked the end of the last ice age in 9700 BC. Glaciers were thought to have melted rapidly. Within a few centuries, sea levels rose 500 feet. This is fast in geologic time. But as more evidence was gathered, melting appeared to happen in a matter of decades. This would cause dramatic changes in the Earth's climate.
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But when recent ice core samples were studied, things got even more dramatic. There's evidence that the last ice age didn't end over centuries or decades, but ended in one single day. Some claim that an asteroid impact caused the last ice age to end. A worldwide disaster like the Chicxulub impact that wiped out the dinosaurs. That's not what happened. An impact causes cooling.
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Recent studies show that there was a major solar event that happened around 9700 BC. basically the mother of all CMEs. A violent plasma storm hit the Earth and overwhelmed the Earth's magnetosphere, which is our defense against solar radiation.
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Well, that's a stretch, but if some kind of electromagnetic event were to occur, there are few places on Earth better suited than Mount Shasta. Now, the story of the missing boy who suddenly reappeared five hours later, that's true. The part about his grandma Cappy and the puncture in her neck, that came from someone claiming to be her posting her story on the Internet, so... I don't know.
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Without the protection of the magnetosphere, massive lightning strikes happened all over the Earth, lightning that was orders of magnitude more intense than anything we've ever seen. This lightning was hundreds or even thousands of times more powerful than anything from a thunderstorm. There's evidence in over 120 countries of rock melted and turned to glass during this event.
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This is called vitrification. There's evidence of vitrification in moon rocks. We know for a fact large mammals like saber tooth tigers and woolly mammoths were wiped out at this time. They didn't slowly go extinct. They instantly went extinct. During the four or five days of this event, the Earth was also awash in lethal radiation. Only animals that can go underground survived.
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Most of the human race died during this event. Only humans living near caves were able to find shelter and survive. If glaciers which covered 30% of the Earth's surface melted in a day or two, think of the speed, volume, and pressure of water that would rush across the Earth's surface. This water would act like a power washer on stone constructions like the Sphinx and pyramids.
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Meanwhile, a sky full of plasma and lightning and radiation would have severely damaged the Great Pyramid if it was using a volatile chemical reaction to create power. Every culture has a flood myth that served as a reset of civilization. All those stories seem to point to a cataclysm at the end of the Younger Dryas. Myths of lost continents like Atlantis also fit into this timeline.
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Now, I'm not claiming anything I've said today is what happened, but I am saying there is evidence that it was possible that an advanced civilization existed thousands of years ago. That civilization had the technology to create unlimited clean energy. Then the glaciers melted. A great flood came. Solar plasma and radiation destroyed a significant amount of life on the planet.
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The civilization then disappeared. Then thousands of years later, as the great Egyptian culture was forming, they would have utilized the pyramid not for power but for ceremonial or religious purposes. they would have altered the Sphinx, carving away the original design and replacing it with a design of their own. And we know this is what they did.
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Mainstream scientists are still not convinced, and that's okay. As time goes on and more secrets are revealed, sooner or later, we will learn the truth. And I suspect we'll learn that the pyramid power plant theory was right all along. Whoever built the pyramids created energy that wasn't harmful to the Earth, but resonated in harmony with it.
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A suspicious person might wonder why, if this theory has been around for 50 years, nobody's tried to replicate it, even on a small scale. Unlimited clean energy for everyone on Earth sounds like a way for the entire human race to take a huge step forward. Think of the technological advances that could be made if electricity was free.
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Think of the political strife, economic instability, and the endless wars that could be avoided. But maybe what's happening now is what happened to Tesla 100 years ago. In Tesla's time, nobody was interested in creating technology that would make power free for everyone. Empires owned by J.P. Morgan, the Vanderbilts, and the Rockefellers would have been devastated.
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The Carnegies, the DuPonts, and the Melons all would have seen significant losses. These families owned all the energy production and distribution in the United States. Their companies were the lifeblood of American industry. The families were American royalty. If Tesla was able to achieve his vision, not only would the wealth of these families be diminished,
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And the boy's parents conveniently want to remain anonymous. But Karl Landers really did disappear without a trace, as have many people on Mount Shasta. Now, most of the time, missing hikers are discovered not far from their last known position, usually dead from injuries from a fall. But it's worth acknowledging that there are plenty, I mean, lots of people who just vanish with no explanation.
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so would America's standing in the world as a great new industrial power. Tesla said he wanted to bring abundant electrical energy to remote, underdeveloped parts of the world to foster closer communication between nations. This couldn't be allowed to happen. America and the corporations that controlled it would never have given up their advantage. They still won't.
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When Tesla died, the FBI and agents of the OSS were, for some reason, close by. Tesla's documents were stored in 80 boxes, all organized and numbered by Tesla himself. Only 60 boxes were discovered. And since then, a few scientists have stated that Tesla's invention would have never worked. But that's what scientists said of most of his inventions.
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Viewers of this channel know that most science is bought and paid for by corporations and governments. This is especially true in the last couple of years.
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80% of the products we use today can be traced back to Tesla. But the technology that we really need now more than ever is inexpensive, clean energy. Sadly, that technology died with Tesla. Instead, the world went in the direction of coal and oil. And nations fought and continue to fight wars to control these limited resources.
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Oil, coal and war may be terrible for the planet and the people who live on it, but they're great for business and for all his genius. That's something Nikola Tesla never understood. Thanks so much for hanging out today. My name is AJ. There's Hecklefish. This has been a Y-Files compilation. If you had fun, you learned anything, do him a favor, subscribe, comment, like, share.
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What about the UFOs? Well, the UFO sightings can't really be explained. Ah-ha! Weather around Mount Shasta is highly unusual and creates what's known as lenticular cloud formations. Lenticular clouds look like giant UFOs, but they're just clouds. As for it looks like flying spacecraft hovering around and disappearing into the mountains, we'd be silly to discount those reports.
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Even our own government is finally admitting there are objects zipping around the planet that just can't be explained. So what about J.C. Brown and Lemuria? Well, the J.C. Brown story is a great one. but it might be debunked. In 2017, a researcher named Steven Sindoni tracked down a man named John Benjamin Bode, a mining engineer who retired in Mount Shasta.
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And Bode had worked for the Lord Cowdray Mining Company, which was also J.C. Brown's employer. And Bode lived right across the street from where J.C. Brown had given daily lectures on Lemuria and the lost city of Telos. This may not be definitive proof that J.C. Brown was a hoax, But it's pretty compelling research. And I should note that Sindoni is not a debunker.
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He's a hollow earth researcher who's been on countless TV and radio shows discussing how the earth is hollow and home to alien civilizations that live right under our feet. And speaking of hollow earth, what about Lemuria? Is it hiding inside Mount Shasta? I think Lemuria is the best legend about Mount Shasta. And I'm not the only one. Entire religions have been built around the Lemuria story.
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In the 1930s, Guy Ballard, a mining engineer, was exploring Mount Shasta. He said he was met by a young man named the Count of St. Germain. And Count St. Germain is a legend in paranormal history. He's supposedly immortal and shows up during all kinds of historical events.
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Aliens, ghosts, underground bases, interdimensional portals. Mount Shasta has it all. Let's find out why. As you approach Mount Shasta, the first thing you notice is how absolutely out of place it is. Though it's one of the tallest peaks in North America, it's not directly connected to any other mountains. It stands alone and seems to leap off the landscape.
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There's even an account of him being present at the signing of the Declaration of Independence, where he actually gave a speech. And we're going to do a whole video on Saint Germain. He deserves more attention. But anyway, Ballard and his wife Edna claimed to be the sole messengers of Saint Germain and other ascended masters, as they're called.
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And the Ballards began giving public lectures on Saint Germain's teachings and eventually had grown the I am activity movement to over a million followers. Oh, it's not. And after Ballard passed away in 1971, most of the I.M. members left a religion, but it's still around. You can visit the I.M. reading room right now in Mount Shasta City.
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And Lemuria and Atlantis were nothing more than stories for hundreds, even thousands of years. But with the discoveries like Bimini Road in the Bahamas and the Yanaguni Monument off the coast of Japan, we have to start wondering if these myths weren't myths at all, but actual places. Skeptics will say Bimini and Yanaguni are natural formations, but I'll put the pictures up for you to decide.
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To me, Bimini Road is iffy. I lean toward man-made, but I can see the other side of the argument. But Yanaguni? That looks 100% man-made to me, so what if? Mount Shasta has captured the imagination of people around the world for centuries, and those who visit often say the mountain called to them.
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I think it's fair to say that if you're the type of person who goes to a place expecting to have a spiritual or supernatural experience, there's a good chance you'll have one. The mind is a powerful thing. But as long as you're not starting religions based on this, I don't think there's anything wrong with believing what others say is a crazy theory.
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Our civilization's greatest leaps forward come from heretics who dare to challenge the status quo. From mavericks and dissenters have come scientific discoveries that altered the course of history and forced even the most ardent skeptics to wonder, what if? What if there was an ancient civilization that sunk beneath the ocean?
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And what if the children of those people are here now, just waiting for our own civilization to catch up, waiting for us to emerge from our selfish adolescence so we can join a larger community? one that exists only for scientific discovery, artistic expression, and spiritual enlightenment. Now, I admit it sounds like fantasy, but when we stop asking what if, civilization dies.
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But as long as there are heretics and mavericks and dissenters, we have a chance. And if you're one of those, keep asking what if. Everyone on Earth, whether they know it or not, is counting on you. So there are a few new stories since I released that episode about Mount Shasta. So if you want me to do a part two, just let me know in the comments.
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What elephant in the room?
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Yes, I recorded that episode during COVID when I gained a few pounds, but I wasn't going to mention it.
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I did not look that bad.
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Oh, this is about the CIA's Project 8200.
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Yep. This one is about a CIA remote viewer who saw underground bases beneath Mount Hayes. Mount motherfucking Hayes. Okay, enough with that.
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During the 1960s and 70s, the United States and the Soviet Union fought the Cold War on many fronts. Some of these engagements were obvious, like the Cuban Missile Crisis and the proxy wars in Asia. Other conflicts were not so obvious. In the 1970s, America and Russia engaged in a new type of warfare, psychic warfare.
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The CIA was actively recruiting and training people with a natural talent for remote viewing. Remote viewing is projecting your consciousness to anywhere on Earth and beyond. One remote viewer, entirely by accident, found himself at Mount Haze in Alaska. Mount Haze is in the middle of nowhere. There's no civilization for miles. But something was calling him to the mountain.
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At over 14,000 feet above sea level, Mount Shasta is so tall and steep that it pierces the clouds and creates its own weather. Located in Northern California, Mount Shasta is actually a semi-active volcano. Its last major eruption was in 1250, but as recently as last year, Mount Shasta was oozing lava that caused several fires in the surrounding forest.
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Then he looked inside the mountain. There was a base hidden inside Mount Haze. Then he saw this was not a base built by humans. When multiple sources confirmed the existence of the base, they soon realized this was only the beginning. The story of the psychic competition between the U.S. and the Soviet Union is like the chicken and the egg.
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Some say the CIA heard the Soviets had psychic spies, so they launched their own programs in response. Others say the U.S. was first and the Soviets were responding. Either way, both superpowers created well-funded, super-secret programs focused on ESP, or extrasensory perception. In other words, psychic espionage. A skilled remote viewer would be the perfect spy.
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They could go anywhere, see anything, completely undetected. Remote viewing means the end of state secrets. Really, the end of all secrets. But remote viewing didn't start out as a military intelligence project. It began as a research project. In 1972, two scientists, Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ, launched an ESP program at the Stanford Research Institute, or SRI.
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Then they started looking for volunteers and came across Ingo Swann.
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Ingo Swann claimed to be a great psychic. Put-Off was skeptical, so he set up a test. The team had access to a large magnetometer, which can detect slight variations in magnetic fields. Swann had no idea what the machine was. Even though it was buried under 30 feet of concrete, he could see into the device and describe it. He was able to sketch the magnetometer readings.
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Then he was able to affect the readings. This was good and bad. Good that Ingo proved his abilities, but the purpose of the magnetometer was to detect Soviet nuclear tests. Affecting the output set off alarms all over the lab. The experiment almost got them kicked out of Stanford. But the experiment caught the attention of the CIA.
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They didn't care that Ingo could move the needle, but the fact that he could see through superconducting shielding buried in 30 feet of concrete? Well, that was a problem, but also an opportunity. The CIA quietly funded SRI's research and had them focus specifically on remote viewing. And Ingo Swann became known as the father of this technique. Initial experiments were mostly successful.
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Ingo could identify images in sealed envelopes. He could project his consciousness to different places and see hidden objects. But this didn't help the CIA. They needed him to view specific locations, Soviet locations. So Ingo Swann and the SRI team created the Scan8 protocol. Project Scan8 was remote viewing by coordinates. Here's how it works.
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You give a remote viewer longitude and latitude coordinates, and you tell them nothing else. Ingo Swann could see what was at a given set of coordinates with remarkable accuracy. By the way, Ingo Swann also remote viewed the moon. I did an entire episode on it. It's linked down below. Now, I don't want to spoil it, but what he saw on the moon was pretty amazing.
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Not now. Soon, another psychic joined the project, Pat Price. Pat was a retired police commissioner. He was a good counterpart to Ingo Swann. Ingo was a painter. He was the typical free spirit artist. He was loud and confident and funny. Pat Price, on the other hand, was grounded and serious. Pat solved a few crimes using his psychic abilities.
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And just about every type of paranormal event you can think of converges at Mount Shasta. UFO sightings, mysterious disappearances, lost cities, ghosts, gods, everything. Mount Shasta legends exist in every culture that's lived in its shadow, including the first cultures. Native tribes have inhabited the area for over 10,000 years, making it one of the longest occupied areas in North America.
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Now, at the time, Pat thought it was nothing more than intuition, hunches that usually turned out to be true. After he retired from the police department and had more time to focus, he realized his talent was more than intuition. Today, Pat Price is considered one of the most gifted psychics ever. The CIA wanted to test them. Both Pat and Ingo were given coordinates to view.
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Nobody knew what was at the site except the one CIA analyst who gave them the numbers. Even though they remote-viewed separately, both Ingo and Pat sketched similar results. They saw the layout of some kind of compound. They said it looked high-tech. They described a large radar dish, a guardhouse. They saw roll-up doors in Jeeps. They said it looked like a military installation.
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Pat Price was even able to read documents on the site. Now, this is unheard of. Nobody else can do this. but Pat saw a cabinet labeled Operation Pool. Inside were green folders named QBall, 14Ball, 8Ball, and Rackup. The team showed the results to the analyst and asked how close they were. The analyst said, sorry, but these sketches are nonsense.
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I gave you the coordinates to my cabin in West Virginia. The whole team at SRI was disappointed and confused. How could both men be so wrong yet see similar things? So they sent someone to the coordinates. He found the cabin, but a few hundred feet down the road from the cabin, he found something else.
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Ingo Swann and Pat Price were given the coordinates of a CIA analyst's vacation home in Sugar Grove, West Virginia. But when they remote-viewed the location, that's not what they saw. They saw a military installation. The CIA analyst who gave the coordinates didn't realize that an NSA listing post was just over the ridge from his cabin. Pat and Ingo both assumed this was the target.
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This was the type of location they were usually asked to view. The Sugar Grove facility in West Virginia was one of the most secret NSA installations in the country. It captured information from Soviet satellites as they flew over. It served as a listening post for all kinds of transmissions. In fact, Sugar Grove is in the NRQZ, the National Radio Quiet Zone.
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The NRQZ covers about 13,000 square miles in Virginia, West Virginia and Maryland. No radio signals of any kind are permitted there. If you fire up a radio, you will get a visit, a fine and possibly jail time. A part of the zone is so locked down that microwave ovens and Wi-Fi are not permitted.
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So Pat Price and Ingo Swann got it right. They described this facility in detail from Northern California, 3000 miles away. And you'd think this would be cause for celebration. It wasn't. Every federal law enforcement agency in the country showed up at SRI. They wanted to know why some wacky CIA psychic contractors were spying on an NSA facility.
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And by the way, Project Q-Ball, Project 8-Ball, and Rack-Up, these were so highly classified that even the project names were top secret. The NSA was furious. Once all the agencies calmed down, SRI went back to work. This time, the CIA would focus on the enemy.
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And each tribe has a myth about the mountain. Some tribes say Mount Shasta is the sacred center of the universe. Others say the mountain is the birthplace of all life. And as different as these stories are, there is one theme found in every native legend. You do not go above the tree line. That area is reserved for the sky people.
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The Soviets. Ah. Pat Price was given coordinates to view. He said he saw a science fiction fantasy crane. Nobody knew what he was talking about. Pat grabbed a ruler, pen, and paper and drew a gantry crane. This type of crane is used to move shipping containers and lift ships out of the water. They're big. Pat said this was the most giant crane he'd ever seen.
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He saw someone walk by, and the wheels on the crane were 10 feet high, and the wheels were on train tracks. the CIA had a sketch based on aerial photographs of the site. There was a giant gantry crane. Inside the facility, Pat saw enormous steel spheres 60 feet across. There were no photographs of this. Nobody thought much of it.
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Pat said that whatever they were building, the Soviets couldn't get it to work. But five years later, US intelligence would discover that the spheres were there. They were nuclear containment devices, and they never worked correctly. Pat Price was right again. At this point, CIA plucked Pat out of SRI. They wanted him to work for them directly. Pat was given more coordinates for a site in Russia.
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He tried to go there, but something was pulling his focus from his target, something in Alaska. It was a mountain, Mount Haze. Now, this was unexpected. Mount Haze is desolate and remote. There are no roads and no civilization for miles. It's in the middle of a frozen wasteland. Pat said he didn't see anything. Oh, he lied? Yes, but later on his own, he projected back to the mountain.
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Then Pat projected into the mountain. Then he understood why he was drawn there. Inside Mount Hayes was a huge base. He saw advanced technology and equipment. He saw computers and consoles and machines that he didn't understand. Then he saw the operators of the machines. Pat saw beings that looked almost human, but were thin with large heads.
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And they were busy at work on something, though Pat Price didn't know what. Then Pat got scared. Inside the mountain, in the base, working alongside aliens were humans, specifically US military personnel. Two days later, Pat was in Las Vegas. As he walked through his hotel lobby, someone bumped into him. Then Pat felt a sharp pain in his leg. The next day, Pat had severe stomach cramps.
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And later that evening, he was found dead in his hotel room. His body was quickly removed. No autopsy was performed. No crime scene was designated. The official cause of death was a heart attack. He was 56 years old.
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Good question, and we'll never know. Pat's body was cremated, and then they called his wife. Oh, no. His remains are now in an unmarked grave in North Hollywood, we think.
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Not far from Mount Shasta is Petroglyph Point, which has some of the oldest stone writing ever found in North America, dating back thousands of years. And the glyphs depict the types of things you'd expect to see. Animals, rivers, the sun, stars. But there are also carvings of what some people believe are sky people.
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Pat was with the CIA for less than four months. A few years later, the CIA's remote viewing program was called Project Grill Flame. Same mission, different name. Eventually it would be called Project Stargate. In 1980, the operations and training officer for the project was Skip Atwater. Skip was a retired Army intelligence officer now recruiting and training remote viewers.
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One day, Hal Puthoff shows up at Skip's door with four files from Pat Price's remote viewing sessions, each with a different location. Pat gave the documents to Hal before going to work for the CIA full time. Hal told Skip, You might want to look at these. Skip looked at the files and couldn't believe it. One location was a secret alien base under Mount Haze, Alaska. And the three other locations?
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Three other mountains. And three more alien bases. You've heard of the Bermuda Triangle. If you follow this channel for a while, you know about the Nevada Triangle. These are places where planes, ships, and people vanish without a trace. There are mysterious triangles all over the world. There's the Dragon Triangle in Japan, the Formosa Triangle in Taiwan, and quite a few others.
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There's also the Alaska Triangle. The points are Juneau in the east, Anchorage in the west, then up to Barrow in the north. Since 1988, 16,000 people have gone missing in the Alaska Triangle. Nationwide, each state has an average of about seven people per 100,000 reported missing every year. Massachusetts has the lowest number, about two people per 100,000. Hawaii has the second most, 16 people.
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Not only does Alaska report the most missing people per year, but their number is more than 10 times higher than Hawaii, over 173 people missing per 100,000. And most of those go missing in the Alaska Triangle. The area is harsh and desolate. I'm sure many of the missing people simply succumb to the elements, but not all the people.
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There are native legends that go back thousands of years that describe creatures appearing and disappearing in thin air, sometimes taking victims with them. There's also something very strange about the geology in Alaska. It's covered with negative magnetic anomalies. This is where magnetism operates in reverse. This would be a nightmare for airplanes, GPS, or any guidance system.
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Yeah, well, that's not entirely my fault.
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Native tribes believed that the sky people were spiritual beings who existed in a different realm, a plane of existence where souls and spirits of the dead dwell. But what if the sky people aren't spirits of the dead, but are actually beings that are very much alive, just not human? There are Native American legends that describe a race of giants that live on Mount Shasta.
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And the epicenter of the Alaska Triangle, the place where magnetism goes crazy?
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Okay. Mount Haze is also a UFO hotspot.
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There have been sightings of craft that go back years, and sightings as recently as a few weeks ago. People have seen objects hovering over the mountain and then flying in formation at impossible speeds. There are reports of objects vanishing into the side of the mountain, not through a door, through solid rock.
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There's a theory that the magnetic disturbances around Mount Haze are portals that allow spacecraft to go in and out of the mountain. Mount Haze was one of four mountains that Pat Price said contained a secret alien base. The others are Mount Perdido in Spain, Mount Inyangani in Zimbabwe, and Mount Zeal in Australia. Pat gave this information to Hal Puthoff.
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Puthoff then passed it along to Skip Atwater. Now this time, Skip worked with another extremely talented remote viewer, Joseph McMoneagle, I've talked about him in a few different episodes. He's a legend in the remote viewing community. He's conducted thousands of remote viewing sessions for the Army, CIA. He's also helped companies find oil and precious metals.
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He's helped law enforcement find missing people. If anyone could confirm Pat Price's findings, it was Joseph McMoneagle. So Skip gave Joe four sets of coordinates, and that's all. No other information, just the numbers. Not only did Joe see the alien bases, he saw so much more. It was July 28th, 1982. Project 8200 begins. Skip Atwater dimmed the lights in the interview room and took a seat.
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Joe McMoneagle sat on the other side of the table, pen and paper ready. Joe had no idea what he'd be viewing. That's the ideal protocol. If a remote viewer is given information about a location in advance, it could ruin the entire process. Even small details can distract a remote viewer. Details create expectations, which can lead to false positives.
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For example, you can't say, remote view this bowling alley. The remote viewer will start seeing balls rolling and pins falling.
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I got it. Are they really seeing these things, or is this just what they'd expect to see at any bowling alley? The only way to be sure a remote viewer sees the correct location is by giving them nothing. Skip had a map in a sealed envelope. He then read a series of numbers, coordinates. 63 degrees, 39 minutes north, 146 degrees, 45 minutes west.
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Joe didn't know what this was, but Skip knew it was- So Joe relaxed, closed his eyes, and projected his consciousness to those coordinates. As images came into his mind, he sketched them on paper.
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Water, land, ice, mountains, a desolate area? Joe was describing Mount Haze. He drew a pretty accurate map of the area. It was time for Joe to go inside the mountain.
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The Modoc have the Matagagmi, which are said to be the keepers of the woods. Could these ancient people be describing Bigfoot? Matagagmi is the Modoc word for Bigfoot, and it's similar to the Tibetan word Metogangmi, which is their word for Yeti.
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Joe said the things he was seeing were so foreign to him that he had trouble putting them into words. He said, imagine an aborigine trying to describe the interior of a car. They don't really have any context. They don't have words for screws and bolts and glass and metal. That's how Joe felt. The technology was far beyond what he could comprehend. But Joe saw that the base was under a large dome.
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On top of the dome was an emitter sending a huge amount of energy into space. Next, Joe was told the coordinates of Bounce Hill in Australia.
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Under Mount Zeal, Joe sees another facility with advanced technology. Then he sees something familiar.
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Joe describes an underground command center. Later, other remote viewers would describe consoles and screens and what sounds a lot like NORAD.
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Next, Joe goes to Mount Perdido in the Pyrenees Mountains between France and Spain. The first thing he says is, I see sheep.
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Mount Perdido does have cliffs, gray rocks, and yes, there are sheep everywhere. Joe sketches the layout of the facility.
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You're getting way ahead of me on this one, pal. We are. Since at least the 1920s, people have claimed to see tall creatures roaming the forests around Mount Shasta. In 1976, a camper thought a park ranger was investigating his camp, but upon closer inspection, it was a Bigfoot. Another famous account happened in 1962 when a hiker claimed to have seen a female Bigfoot giving birth.
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This is where we start to learn that the facilities are connected like a spider web.
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Toward the end of the session, Joe could see the facility being built. He said the construction took place about two to two and a half years ago.
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It was being built by people. Ha ha! When Joe McMoneagle was remote viewing the site at Mount Perdido, Spain, he was extremely accurate. He saw the cliffs, gray rocks, and sheep. That's the only time he mentioned sheep in thousands of remote viewing sessions, but he was right about them too. When Skip Atwater conducted the interview, Joe saw something unexpected, the facility being built.
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Skip was expecting this to be construction that happened hundreds or thousands of years ago with advanced technology, maybe using UFOs, but that's not what Joe saw.
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Boxes being brought in by helicopters, so human involvement, military involvement. This tracks with what Pat Price saw at the Mount Hayes facility. He saw human military personnel working alongside alien beings. And just like Mount Hayes, Joe saw an emitter sending energy into space.
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Because my contract specifically said... Relax, we're not doing the show from in here. I haven't done the After Files in a long time, and some people thought that I'm just not streaming anymore. But the truth is we're doing construction in the studio and my streaming station is dismantled. Yeah, likely story. So last compilation was all about stories that happened below ground.
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During this session, Joe also gets the sense that this location is also involved in transmitting and receiving energy and information. The last mountain viewed is Mount Inigani in Zimbabwe. Joe sees a singular mountain, a group of high hills. There's a jungle close by. He sees black boxes of electronics. Again, he feels the concept of command, control, and communications.
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But everything comes together now. These command centers are linked. Joe says it's like a spider web.
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After the session, Joe tried to explain what he meant by spiderweb or cobweb. Now remember, Joe never mentions aliens, but he wasn't looking for aliens. He wasn't looking for anything. He was just given coordinates. But he sees technology he can't comprehend when he views these locations.
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What are these locations transferring and to where? Joe sees it.
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Like every remote viewing session, after Joe brings his consciousness back, he tries to explain what he saw and what he wrote down. Skip asks him to describe the space platform.
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In 1930, a humanoid skeleton that was over eight feet tall was discovered near Mount Shasta. And this wasn't a fringe report. It was covered by major newspapers all over the area. And native legends say the race of giants prospered on the earth for thousands of years, but were suddenly wiped out in a great flood.
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What Cho means is that the technology is extremely advanced, but this space platform has been there for a long time. Ancient, he says. Okay, so where's the platform?
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And these bases aren't just within the mountains. They're also under the oceans.
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Skip Atwater confirms this and all of these sessions in a talk he gave in 2009.
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When Joe first viewed the Mount Hayes alien base, he got a sinister feeling. But as he viewed each location, that feeling became less and less.
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Skip Atwater had another psychic who claimed to be in telepathic communication with these beings in the bases. The psychic asked them, what do you think of humans? The response was basically, not much. Uh-oh. Yeah, that sounded ominous to the psychic too. So he asked the being to explain. The response was, we see humans like you see a flock of birds.
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There are a few of us interested in them scientifically, but most of the aliens on Earth, while aware of humans, don't see us as anything more than the other animals here. Yes, we're slightly more intelligent, but otherwise we're just animals in a zoo to them.
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Right, there's that. The only time ETs will involve themselves in our affairs is if we try to do something to harm the planet.
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Notice I didn't say harm ourselves. The aliens don't care whether we're here or not, but they won't let us hurt their planet.
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Every time. But there is an interpretation of this legend that claims the giants of the woods are not Bigfoot. They're a race of people called Lemurians. And that brings us to the fascinating story of J.C. Brown. He's considered the first person to find the lost civilization of Lemuria. But his story takes a mysterious turn. In 1904, J.C.
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Well, because the Earth provides them with resources. The four alien bases in the mountains, plus the bases in the ocean, are creating energy from something in the Earth. This energy is harnessed, concentrated, and sent to an orbital platform in deep space. What happens from there, nobody knows.
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Joe McMonagle's remote viewing sessions were focused primarily on technology, energy, and the space platform. Joe did see helicopters outside the base at Mount Perdido, but he didn't see the beings operating the bases. But Pat Price did see them. Pat Price said the bases contained beings that looked like humans, except for the heart, lungs, blood, and eyes.
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And if Pat Price says creatures are there, they're there. So Skip Atwater brought in a few other remote viewers, not only to confirm the existence of the bases, but also to see who was operating them. Were they aliens or were they humans? According to several other remote viewers, the answer is yes.
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When Hal Puthoff gave Pat Price's four files to Skip Atwater at Project Stargate, he told him, you might want to look at these. Pat had seen bases inside mountains full of advanced technology. Pat saw aliens operating equipment. And in some cases, he saw human military personnel working alongside the aliens. Remote viewer Joe McMoneagle confirmed the existence of the bases and the technology.
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Joe even determined that the bases are linked and transmit energy to an object in space, but he didn't see the occupants. Years later, Ingo Swann trained a few more remote viewers using CRV, coordinate remote viewing. Skip Atwater decides it's time to go back to the mountains. Remote viewer Bill Ray is given his first set of coordinates. He describes a hollow mountain in a cold climate.
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Yes, Mount Haze. Bill sees electronic monitoring equipment and metallic ships, which are very quick. Bill describes people who were thin, unemotional, cold, and acted like they were programmed. He felt like they had a purpose and a mission. To Bill, they felt unearthly. Remote viewer Paul Smith saw a cluster of structures in a cold, windswept, desolate area.
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Inside, he saw people manning the site. They seemed regimented and subdued. He also saw box-shaped electronics and cables running underground. Session after session, Skip Atwater's remote viewers saw the same things. Some were more detailed than others, but all saw a mountain in a cold climate. All saw a base inside filled with electronics.
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And several remote viewers saw thin, unemotional beings going about some kind of business. but Skip was concerned that his own thoughts might be bleeding into the sessions. So he conducted what he called a fully blind session. This is where not only does the remote viewer have nothing but the coordinates, but the same goes for the interviewer.
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Ed Dames was the monitor who read the coordinates to remote viewer Mel Riley. Mel sees a structure within a mountain. He sees a dark figure seated at a control panel operating a keyboard. Not a keyboard like we use, but something with large buttons or keys like a piano. He sees other figures walking around.
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As Joe McMoneagle described, Mel says it looked like an underground control center, like NORAD at Cheyenne Mountain. And like Joe, Mel also saw a large dome covering the structures. Then Mel saw what he described as some sort of UFO. Other remote viewers saw UFOs also, but Skip Atwater later admitted that they were afraid to put anything about UFOs in an official report.
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Now, if we go all the way back to Pat Price in the 1970s, he drew what looks like a UFO under one of the mountains. In Skip's lecture, he sums up all the findings and key takeaways.
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Project 8200 confirms the existence of four subterranean sites and several remote viewers saw or felt the presence of extraterrestrials. Project 8200 also confirmed the sites are intentionally hidden and working together. The sites are sometimes occupied, but not always. They're used for observation and relaying information and energy to an object in deep space.
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Brown was working as a geologist for a gold mining operation, and he was sent to Mount Shasta to look for gold. During one of Brown's expeditions, he came across a rock fall that looked like something could be buried underneath. When he cleared the rubble, he discovered the entrance to a cave that disappeared into the darkness for what looked like forever.
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Finally, Joe McMoneagle added that other bases are located deep in the ocean. Remember, Joe was remote viewing in the 80s. Skip Atwater gave this lecture in 2009. That's long before the videos we've seen of UFOs flying around and going in and out of the ocean. So after getting confirmation of UFO bases, that's when Skip Atwater decided he'd had enough.
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His project had limited resources, and if other agencies found out they were spending so much time searching for UFOs, that could be the end of the project. and the end of many people's reputations. But something was nagging Skip. He kept asking himself, is any of this true? Well, he knew the CIA station chief in Northern Australia, so decided to give him a call.
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He asked his friend in Australia, hey, is anything unusual happening down there? The guy said, nah, this is a dead assignment. Well, except for all the UFOs flying around Mount Zeal. No! Project Stargate was discontinued in 1993. It was finally shut down because, according to the CIA, it didn't provide any useful information.
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Yeah, that in itself is suspicious. The budgets for Stargate, SRI, and psychic research were tiny compared to other military and intelligence operations. The government spends more money on office supplies than it was giving to Stargate. Really, it was shut down because of negative PR. Remote viewing and the US government's interest in it was showing up in newspapers and magazines and TV shows.
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ESP was a very fringe idea. I'm sure some senior military official shut it down out of embarrassment. But while Stargate was operational, it kept busy. Joe McMoneagle and Russell Targ both said that every government agency was using their psychics, but nobody would admit it.
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I would think so. It's buried in a black budget somewhere. But how much of all of this is true? Well, a lot of it depends on your perspective and existing beliefs. If you believe in ESP, then this story makes complete sense. If you don't believe, this story sounds bonkers. So let's see if we can find the middle ground. Ingo Swann is the most well-known remote viewer.
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I've covered him before, and I'm a fan of his. He has some famous successes, like he said that Jupiter had rings. When he said that, it was a ridiculous claim. Later it was discovered Jupiter does have rings. But he also said Jupiter had a huge mountain range, but on a gas giant, that's not possible.
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Brown hiked the length of the tunnel, which turned out to be 11 miles long. And that may sound crazy, but Mount Shasta is a volcano, and the entire area around the mountain is a network of lava tubes. Lava tubes can be huge and stretch miles underground. And when JC Brown reached the end of the tunnel, he found what he described as the remains of an ancient city.
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It's true that Ingo Swann got plenty of things right, but there's no way to know what his true success rate is. Very little can be verified, but he sure tells a hell of a story. Same with Joe McMoneagle. He's a legend. He claims to have a 95% success rate, or 65%, or 75%. It fluctuates.
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Joe's done remote viewing sessions for live TV and was successful, but his 15 minutes of footage was edited down to two minutes of the best stuff. Maybe it was edited for time and he had 15 straight minutes of winners. I don't know. But it all started with Pat Price. But there's not a lot of information out there about him.
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Yeah, Pat did die under mysterious circumstances, and the story certainly sounds like a CIA hit. But years later, a former KGB agent defected from the Soviet Union, and he claimed to be an assassin. And he said one of his targets was a psychic in Las Vegas who he poisoned. Oh. Right. If Pat Price was really able to see inside Soviet military installations, he would need to go.
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But I can't find the name of that defector to verify the story, so... CIA propaganda. Could be. And speaking of CIA propaganda, we have to examine the people involved in Project Stargate very closely.
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Yes, we are. Uh-oh. Since the 1970s, a number of people with very high security clearances have been working on UFO phenomena. They were interacting with each other so much, they gave themselves code names. The code names were all birds, so they called themselves the aviary. Cute. Well, let's start with the owl.
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Psychic research begins with Harold Hal Puthoff in the early 1970s at SRI, the Stanford Research Institute. We know that Puthoff worked with the CIA on Project Stargate, but the owl has worked on and off for the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency for years. But most of his work happened after he left the Church of Psychology. You bleep me?
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Well, OT7. That was the top level at the time.
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Hey, I'm just giving information. I'm not making judgments.
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Putoff is also involved in UFOs. He founded To The Stars, a private venture investigating UFOs. Also on the board of To The Stars is Christopher Mellon, who's also a former CIA and DIA, and Steve Justice, former director of Advanced Systems Development at Lockheed Martin, and Luis Elizondo, a former intelligence officer who says he ran AATIP.
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AATIP, or the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, essentially continued Project Blue Book. Elizondo says he ran this program. The Pentagon says he had nothing to do with it. Elizondo says this is a smear campaign. Pop quiz. Who do you believe? An intelligence officer or an intelligence agency?
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Correct. Next, Blue Jay. Dr. Kit Green also worked on Stargate, and he was a CIA analyst. In 2001, leaked emails showed that Dr. Green said the infamous alien autopsy video was true. It was. Well, it was a film produced in 1995, a hoax. Later, Green said that he never said it was real. He said the still shot of the face looked real. So which is it? Next bird, Falcon.
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He found machinery long abandoned that looked like it was used in a mining operation. He found statues, tablets, shields and weapons all made of gold and all inscribed with hieroglyphics. He found what he called a worship room with statues that seemed to glow in the dark. And the final chamber of the cave system was a tomb where 27 giant skeletons were arranged.
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Falcon is the infamous Richard Doty. Doty was a special agent for the Air Force OSI, the Office of Special Investigations. He was in charge of UFO disinformation programs. One of Doty's assignments was to infiltrate the UFO community and flood it with as much disinformation as possible. This way, people would know what to believe.
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Bill Moore, a well-known UFO author, destroyed his career in a single afternoon. He publicly said he was taking payments from the government via Dodi and helping spread lies. He was essentially booed off the stage and we haven't heard much from him since. But Doty has since come forward and said UFOs are real and that most of the UFO stories we hear are real.
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Is he telling the truth now? Who knows? Our next bird is woodpecker. Woodpecker is Jamie Shandera, a film producer. He's considered one of the birds who wants UFO disclosure, so there are good guys and bad guys in the aviary. But enter Bob Collins, aka Condor. Bob Collins is also a former intelligence agent with OSI who engaged in UFO disinformation campaigns.
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In 1989, a documentary was released called UFO Cover-Up Live. Chandera was featured in that documentary. But this TV program got people asking questions. Many in the UFO community consider the doc to be nothing but a disinformation campaign. And it's easy to see why. Bob Collins... Right. He stated in his book that after the documentary, he attended what he called a mini summit.
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This was a meeting to deal with the fallout of the TV show. At the summit was The Owl, Hal Puthoff, Falcon, Richard Doty, Blue Jay, Kit Green, and Bill Moore, who was being paid by the government to lie to the public about UFOs. According to Collins' book, quote, Kit Green took center stage by proposing several lines of attack involving disclosure strategies.
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So are they on the side of disclosure or disinformation? There's more. You might remember my episode on Project Serpo. This was an exchange program between the United States and aliens from the planet Serpo. It's a great story, and by the way, all these are linked below.
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Now, it took a long time, but the planet Serpo story was found to be a hoax perpetrated by what came to be known as the Team of Five. Two of the five were Victor Martinez and Bill Ryan, who ran the website disseminating the information. The information came from three men, Al, Falcon, and Bluejay. Put off Dodie and Green. Once again, Dodie later said Serpo is true, and it may be.
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But in telling the story, the team of five got caught telling all kinds of other lies. But some of the lies they say are true. I get into all this in the episode. And by the way, Bob Lazar and a few other whistleblowers also say Serpo is true, so you make the call. But birds of a feather stick together.
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and they ranged in height from 7 feet to over 10 feet tall. Unsure of what to do, J.C. Brown covered the entrance to the cave and told no one about it. But over the next few years, Brown became obsessed with a book by James Churchward called The Lost Continent of Mu, and by stories of Lemuria, which he thought could be the same thing.
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Neither talk about it much, but for years, Doty, aka The Falcon, worked for Putoff, aka The Owl. Doty spent 10 years as a private contractor for Putoff's company, EarthTech. EarthTech worked with the US intelligence community on black programs. Don't take my word for it.
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Here's something else. In 2006, a book came out that blew the whistle on everything. It's called The Black World of UFOs, Exempt from Disclosure. It talks about government cover-ups, sensitive DIA and CIA documents, reverse engineering alien spacecraft. All the great UFO stories are in this book.
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It was written by Collins and Doty.
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Look, I believe UFOs exist, and I believe we have recovered craft. But I'm skeptical of anyone who's worked in intelligence, because once you're in, you're never out. Whatever's being said about UFOs by people like Doty, Putoff, Elizondo, David Grush, I take all that with a grain of salt. These are not whistleblowers. These are people who spent most of their careers in intelligence.
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The things they say, they're allowed to say. They have permission.
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Well, isn't that the big question? Pat Price, the psychic who started it all, comes off as the most credible of all the people I talked about today. He was a retired cop from a small town. He used his gift to solve crimes, to help people. And Pat was a patriot. The CIA asked for help and he provided it. Four months later, Pat was dead.
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In my research, I found something Pat Price said that bothered me. He said this, Americans want information about UFOs released. Congress tried and couldn't do it. Presidents have tried and couldn't do it. So if our elected leaders aren't in charge, who is? During Stargate, it was discovered that anyone can learn remote viewing.
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Lemuria, according to the legend, was an entire continent that sunk beneath the ocean many thousands of years ago.
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Some people like Joe McMoneagle and Pat Price are naturally gifted, but the rest of us, with practice and training, it's a skill we can all develop. But that would mean the end of all secrets. That can't be allowed to happen. Secrets are the source of their power, whoever they are. And that's why Stargate was shut down. Not because it failed, because it worked.
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Now, it's pretty much an open secret that something is going on underneath those mountains in Alaska, but there's no roads in or out. The only way to investigate is to fly in. And that's what the great investigator James Fox did.
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Okay, we're gonna stay in Alaska for this next one. I gotta look up, ah, yes, specifically in the Alaska Triangle. I have a few episodes about that, where planes and people have gone missing for years, like thousands of them. Anyway, it wasn't until I began researching these episodes that I saw a recurring theme, is that there is something buried underneath the mountains in Alaska.
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It's funny you should say that. Turns out Lemuria and Atlantis are connected. In 1899, Frederick Spencer Oliver published a book called A Dweller on Two Planets, which tells an amazing story that was found written on ancient Hindu tablets. Over a million years ago, the Earth was ruled by two very advanced civilizations, the Atlanteans and the Lemurians.
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But what I didn't expect is that there are going to be facilities that were joint operations between the U.S. military and alien races. But it seems like that's what they are. So this next episode is about one of those bases. This is the Black Pyramid of Alaska. In September 1989, Doug Mutchler reported for duty.
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He was a counterintelligence officer stationed at Fort Richardson, just outside Anchorage, Alaska. His job was investigating espionage and terrorism, so his first stop was the map room. He needed to get the lay of the land. Doug grew up in Ohio, so learning about the rugged terrain and wilderness of Alaska would take a lot of studying.
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Alaska is a big place, almost 700,000 square miles, twice the size of Texas. Doug spread out a few maps across the giant table in the center of the room. He scanned the maps. They showed mountain ranges, rivers, lakes, cities, old mining towns, the typical stuff. But then something caught his eye. On a map of Denali National Park, there was an area no bigger than his thumb that was whited out.
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Doug grabbed a magnifying glass. There were no features. About 60 miles west of Mount McKinley was a small zone labeled, "'This area not surveyed to date.'" Doug thought this was odd. The entire state of Alaska was definitely surveyed, every inch of it. How could this tiny patch be not surveyed? He set the question aside. He was a chief warrant officer in military intelligence.
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He figured if he needed to know, he'd know. Still, something about that location haunted him. And three years later, he'd find out why. It was late 1992 and Doug Mutchler was killing time with a few dozen off-duty soldiers. Someone shushed the group and turned up the TV. The local news was running a story about an underground nuclear detonation in China.
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It was so powerful that it sent shockwaves in the Earth's crust all the way to Alaska. But that wasn't the story. When seismologists analyzed the data, they saw the cross-section of a huge object about 100 feet below the surface in central Alaska. It was a pyramid, a huge pyramid, bigger than the Great Pyramid of Giza, 550 feet tall from the top to the base.
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The news showed the pyramid's location on a map. Doug wasn't sure, but he could swear it was right in the middle of the location marked, this area not surveyed to date. He ran to the map room. He was right. Next stop, his quarters. He set his VCR to record the 11 o'clock news. He needed to be sure. The late night news came and went without a single mention of the pyramid.
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Doug called a few news junkies he knew. Nobody heard anything about it. The next day, with military intelligence credentials, Doug went to the local news station. The station manager said there was no such story and had no idea what Doug was talking about. They returned to his office. Doug stood in the lobby for a minute, confused.
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Not only did he see the news story, but almost 40 other soldiers did too. The station manager's strange behavior made Doug feel that something wasn't right. Not many blacks stop by. Well, that's what Doug thought. But this visit was off the books. He had no authority here. As Doug was heading out, he heard a voice behind him. It was one of the younger employees.
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The kid nervously gestured for Doug to come over, so he did. The younger man was clearly rattled. He looked around, lowered his voice, and said the story was true.
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Doug acted like he wasn't sure what the kid was talking about, but he was pretty sure what he was talking about.
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and both cultures had technology that far exceeds our own. Atlantis was the dominant culture, and for many years, it was benevolent. But about 25,000 years ago, Atlantis became corrupt and wanted to rule all people on the Earth. Lemurians rejected this idea and wanted to be left alone. And after much internal conflict, Atlantis decided to go to war with the Lemurians.
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Doug asked why, although again, he knew the answer. He just wanted to hear this kid say it.
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The kid begged Doug to keep him out of it, and Doug agreed. Again, as an experienced intelligence officer, Doug knew these tactics. He also knew he shouldn't press the issue with his superiors, so he didn't. But he was annoyed.
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Doug continued his normal duties at Fort Richardson, but he couldn't stop thinking about that pyramid. He was frustrated, but there was no way to get more information. Then, a year later, Doug was transferred to Fort Meade in Maryland, home of the National Security Agency, and that would provide an opportunity. In 1993, Doug Mutchler was transferred to Fort Meade, Maryland.
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Fort Meade is known for being the headquarters of the NSA. Doug said he wasn't working for the NSA, but for a unit nearby.
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Fort Meade was also home to a giant warehouse of files. Row after row, shelf after shelf, floor after floor, it was a giant archive of government activity, and much of it top secret.
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No, this place was just files.
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Doug played it cool. He introduced himself to the archivist and showed him his credentials. Doug asked if there were any files about archaeological sites in Alaska. He didn't say pyramid or anything like that. He kept his questions non-specific. The archivist didn't blink. He wrote down a few numbers and handed Doug a slip of paper. The floor, the row, the shelf. Doug was getting closer.
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He found the Alaska files. He pulled a few and settled into a reading room. But he wouldn't get the chance to learn anything.
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Doug turned around and asked what they meant. He was just looking at archeological sites in Alaska. They said, we know what you're looking for. You need to leave the building immediately. Doug asks why.
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And for years, the two mighty civilizations deployed devastating nuclear weapons against each other. The explosions were so violent that they caused the Earth's tectonic plates to become unstable and the magnetic poles to shift. Finally, a massive flood tore across the planet and laid waste to both civilizations. In all, 60 million Lemurians died. Atlantis suffered severe losses as well.
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Well, that's what Doug wanted to know. But the two guys... Men in black. Right. They realized they just said too much. Doug left the warehouse, resumed his duties, and kept quiet. But after he left the service, he went public with the story. It turned out that not only is the pyramid real, the military knows exactly where it is. They also know what the pyramid is.
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Because they're the ones operating it.
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Marty Johnson shook his head and quietly laughed. As an engineer in the Navy during World War II, he worked on more than his share of top secret projects, but this was something else. He was flown from Omaha, Nebraska to Unalakleet, Alaska, wherever that was, and then rushed onto a white bus with blacked out windows. On the bus were a few engineers and technicians.
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Once everyone was settled, the bus started driving east. Nobody was told where they were going or specifically what they were doing. And honestly, Marty didn't care. This was exciting. While most of the passengers seemed nervous, Marty was smiling ear to ear. He felt like a character in a spy novel. After the war, Marty was recruited by Western Electric Manufacturing.
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Well, technically, he worked for Bell Labs, created from the engineering department of Western Electric and half-owned by AT&T. When offered the job, Marty didn't need much convincing. He'd be working on highly classified projects for the military. His specialty was electrical engineering, but Marty Johnson could build or fix anything you threw at him.
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He liked to challenge, and working on cutting-edge tech was right up his alley. In the late 40s, he worked with transistors. These little devices revolutionized electronics. He had no idea how Bell came up with the idea, but wow, did they change everything.
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Well, here it was, 1959, and Marty felt he was helping invent the future. He couldn't tell his family where he was or what he was doing, but they understood that his work, whatever it was, was very important. After a six hour bumpy ride, the bus finally stopped. When the door opened, the cold Alaska air rushed in like a punch in the face. Stepping out of the bus was even more shocking.
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After six hours in the dark, the bright white Alaskan landscape was overpowering. Marty lifted his collar, shielded his eyes, and walked with his colleagues. Once his eyes adjusted, Marty became confused. There was nothing here. Ice, snow, mountains, that's it. Then he heard a shout from up ahead. Two men in uniforms stood next to what looked like a concrete shed in the middle of nowhere.
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Marty would need answers soon. The cold wind was taking the fun out of this adventure. The group shuffled into the shed. The officers came in last and closed the door. In unison, everyone sighed in relief. One of the officers told the group to grab the rail and hold on. He yanked a metal gate across the door and pushed a button. With a quick jerk, the platform began dropping. Now Marty understood.
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The shed was just an entrance to this elevator shaft. As the elevator descended, the temperature warmed a bit. It was still cold enough to see his breath, but at least they were spared from the biting wind. After daydreaming a bit, Marty realized they'd been going down for a long time. The elevator finally stopped. The officer opened the gate and gestured for everyone to step out.
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The few surviving Atlanteans evacuated to Agartha, an underground city that we'll be covering on this channel. The last remaining Lemurians fled to Mount Shasta and established a city called Telos. And what's amazing is there's a Hawaiian legend that says the islands of Hawaii were once part of a vast continent called Mu, also known as Lemuria. Once J.C.
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Marty followed the group out into the hallway. It looked like every military office building he'd ever been in. The gray concrete floor and walls painted green beige, the constant buzzing of overhead fluorescent lights, all too familiar. The group started moving again. Marty felt like he was on a museum tour, just following the crowd.
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They passed plenty of doors, so this place must be bigger than it looked. The doors had no names, only numbers. Clean, simple, efficient. Definitely military. The officer up front raised his voice a bit so everyone could hear. Before they started their four-week orientation, they would get to see the project.
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Finally, Marty thought, judging by the murmurs in the group, he wasn't the only one becoming impatient. After making a few turns here and there, they reached the end of the hallway. They were standing in front of a huge steel door. It had to be 15 feet high and wide enough to drive a car through. The officer grabbed a red foam receiver off the wall and spoke into it.
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Today we're going to do stories that happen above ground, like way above ground. We're talking mountains, pyramids.
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Marty couldn't hear, but he chuckled to himself as he imagined the officer saying, open sesame. From somewhere, there was the sound of metal on metal, and the door began to slowly swing open. Not only was the door tall and wide, it had to be a foot thick. What could be in here that required security measures like this? Was it nukes? Marty hoped it wasn't nukes.
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They walked through the door into a giant cavern. Then Marty saw it and everything made sense. The blacked out windows, the secrecy, the security. The officer proudly announced, gentlemen, welcome to the Dark Pyramid. In the spring of 78, Lee Pearson was at the Unalakleet Airport trading war stories with a fellow vet.
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Lee retired and became a teacher, but his new friend, a helicopter pilot, was still in the service. The pilot could tell Lee was missing the excitement of the old days, so he made him an offer. He was making a quick run into the infamous Alaska Triangle.
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Lee said, absolutely. They hopped in the helicopter and started flying due east. After just under two hours of flight time, the pilot gave Lee a heads up.
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Visual flight rules. Basically, you turn off autopilot, keep the ground in sight, and keep your eyes open for obstacles. Got it. Then the helicopter's electronics went haywire. The radar screen went out. The compass needle was spinning like a fan. Lee was visibly nervous. Then all the power in the helicopter, the instruments, lights, everything went black. But the helicopter kept flying.
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Brown learned of these stories, he was convinced that he had found the lost civilization of Lemuria under Mount Shasta. So he decided, now 30 years later, it was time to go back to the mountain. And when J.C. Brown returned to Mount Shasta, he put together a search party to help him rediscover Lemuria. Brown had assembled a group of 80 researchers, scientists, and explorers.
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A few minutes later, it touched down. Within seconds, a ground crew was refueling them with the engine running and the rotor spinning. Lee looked around. There were a couple of small guard houses with towers. He saw two or three Quonset huts. Boxes of equipment were piled here and there. Razor wire was everywhere. Lee looked up. Overhead, a C-130 was flying tight circles over the area.
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Then, six men in black uniforms start yanking crates of cargo. Lee, being a military man himself, notices the uniforms have no insignia, no unit patches, no rank, no name tape, no identification of any kind. There are men around the perimeter of the landing zone. They're heavily armed and aiming at the helicopter. Lee looks behind them. There's a Jeep parked just a few yards away.
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On top of it is a .50 caliber machine gun. It's loaded, manned, and aimed right at them. Lee glances nervously at the pilot, who gives him a look that says, relax, this is normal. In three, maybe four minutes, they're airborne and headed west, back to the airport. Once they get about five miles from the site, all the instruments come back on and everything is working perfectly.
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Lee asks the pilot, what the hell was that? The pilot looks at Lee, taps his headset, and holds his finger in front of his mouth.
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Yep. At a small bar near the airport, the three men sit at a quiet table in the back. A waitress drops off a round of beers. Lee grabs one, takes a sip, and says, OK, let's hear it.
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This sounded crazy to Lee. He asked, how much power does the pyramid generate? The pilot said, enough to power the whole country. Pyramids as power plants. Sounds like science fiction, but if made of the right materials, it could possibly work. I have an entire episode on how the Great Pyramid of Giza could have created energy. And there's scientific evidence that supports this theory.
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Marty Johnson was very specific about the site and the technology. He said the pyramid was... Is. He said the pyramid is 550 feet tall with the base 700 feet below the surface. The angles of the pyramid were 48 degrees, not 45. I don't know why this is important, but Marty said it was. There were enclosed control rooms at each corner.
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The control rooms measured the energy flowing through the pyramid. The purpose of the project was energy distribution. If they ever got this to work, we don't know. But Marty Johnson's son said his father built a replica of the pyramid made out of aluminum. He ran a small amount of voltage through the pyramid, and that energy was then magnified.
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And after a thousand years of legend, Lemuria was about to be proven real. Newspapers widely covered the story, and the excitement around the adventure was palpable. Then, on the morning that the expedition was set to begin, J.C. Brown didn't show. People combed every tavern, every street, every inn looking for him, but they would find no trace. J.C.
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This mini pyramid produced more than enough electricity to power their entire house and farm. It's been theorized that the pyramids in Alaska, Egypt, Indonesia, and other places formed an ancient energy grid. They pulled electricity out of the zero-point field and transmitted it around the planet, maybe even around the solar system.
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Right. I have an entire episode about inventors who discovered ways to pull energy from the quantum field that exists everywhere.
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all died of mysterious causes. Uh-huh. So is the Dark Pyramid an energy device? We don't know. We have to find it first. And some people think they have. When Doug Mutchler went public with his story, he used the perfect conduit. He contacted Linda Moulton Howe. If you follow UFO news or you're a fan of Coast to Coast, you know who Linda is.
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In case you don't, she's an investigative journalist who's been covering UFOs, aliens, and conspiracies for a long time. She actually won an Emmy for one of her UFO documentaries.
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She is. She's a legend in the field. She also does her homework. So when Doug emailed her, she got copies of his ID, addresses, and phone numbers. But most importantly, she wanted a copy of his DD-214.
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Oh, you know what a DD-214 is?
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Well, then tell the people.
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DD Form 214 is a certificate from the U.S. military that lists everything about your service. The date and place of duty, the date and place of release, assignments, rank, education, MOS, job specialty, decorations, medals, everything. Thug Mutchler produced this document. He was telling the truth.
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Once Linda reported on the pyramid, other people started coming forward with their own accounts of the Dark Pyramid. Marty Johnson and Lee Pearson's stories come from their sons who heard them firsthand. Linda heard from a retired naval captain stationed in Alaska.
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He noticed that aircraft communications always malfunctioned when flying over a certain area, east of Unalakleet and west of Mount Denali. Radar showed massive electromagnetic energy coming from the area. When the captain saw the report about the Chinese nuclear test, he thought the pyramid could be the problem. So he did the logical thing. He reported it to his superior officer.
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Soon after, he was told to be quiet or face court martial.
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Lee Pearson's son Bruce believes his father's story. In fact, he thinks his father gave him enough information to find the location of the Dark Pyramid. So Bruce took that information, went to Alaska, hired a plane, and... And? He might have found it. Bruce Pearson's father said the Dark Pyramid was east of Unalakleet and west of Mount Denali, so Bruce hired a pilot to take him to that location.
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Brown had vanished and was never heard from again. Explanations for J.C. Brown's disappearance covered everything. Some said he was simply a fraud, though he never took a penny from anyone. Others said a secret but powerful organization learned of Brown's plans and had him erased.
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If the base was out there, there would be signs of human activity. After almost two hours of flying, they came across a patch of land that looked squared off.
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It's not a perfect square, but there are right angles and straight lines. When they came around for another pass, they found the remains of an old road, a road that doesn't appear on any maps. And the most amazing discovery of all, they found an old airstrip. This also does not appear on any maps. So at some point in the past, somebody was using that road and airstrip for something.
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The nearest marked road is almost 100 miles away. This area is also pretty close to coordinates sent to Linda Moulton Howe by another retired Navy officer. This is the location. Using Google Earth, some people claim they can see an outline of a former compound or structure. I'm not sure I can make anything out, but I link the coordinates below if you want to see for yourself.
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One man actually hiked to the coordinates to see with his own eyes. In May 2020, Nathan Campbell hired a plane to fly him to Cary Lake in Denali National Park, just a few miles from the pyramid's alleged location. He told the pilot to pick him up at the same location in four months.
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Yep. But Nathan was prepared. He had good gear, plenty of food, and a satellite communicator to let him radio his family. But after just a few weeks, he stopped checking in. a search team found his campsite. His gear was still there, but no Nathan. He kept a diary. The last entry said, went to get water. He's never been found.
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Some speculate that he actually was found, that he discovered the location of the Dark Pyramid and was deleted. But something to keep in mind, the location of the Dark Pyramid is in the Alaska Triangle.
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Yep. For 20 years, the CIA operated Project Stargate. This was essentially a psychic spy project. Stargate did a lot of different things, but its primary focus was remote viewing. Remote viewing is projecting your consciousness to any place on Earth.
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One of the most talented remote viewers was Pat Price. Pat was able to see an underground base hidden inside a mountain right in the middle of the Alaska Triangle, Mount Haze.
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Okay, that's enough. Mount mother Haze link below. Pat discovered that the base was operated by humans and aliens working together. I bring this up because Linda Moulton Howe found a witness who remote viewed the Dark Pyramid. She first saw a small building. She went in. Then she saw an elevator that went hundreds of feet down. She followed that.
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Then she found herself in what looked like a military facility. There was a lab. Then she saw a huge black sloped wall. She pulled away a bit. It was the Dark Pyramid. All around the pyramid was equipment, lights, people working. It was very busy. She scanned the area and found a network of hallways and tunnels. She saw offices, sleeping areas, a kitchen.
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Yep. But a few others were convinced that J.C. Brown no longer needed a search party to find Lemuria, but he had been granted access and taken there by some mysterious machine. And to hear descriptions of this machine, it sounds like a vehicle or a... UFO! Right. And there have been UFO sightings around Mount Shasta going back over 100 years. And in recent years, sightings are accelerating.
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Finally, she found herself with a group of people being taken on a tour by the facility's leader. She was stunned. The tour guide was not human. It was human-like, but definitely not human. Then she learned the true purpose of the Dark Pyramid. It is an energy device. It's a charging station for UFOs. There have been over 6,500 UFO sightings in the Alaska Triangle.
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It's one of the most active UFO hotspots in the world, and now we know why. The craft are using the pyramid for energy, and that's why the military never got it to work, and they never will. The aliens in charge don't work for us. We work for them. When Linda Moulton Howe exposed the Dark Pyramid in 2012, the story was a phenomenon. And it's easy to see why.
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We've got credible witnesses and evidence of human activity in the middle of the Alaskan wilderness. Thousands of people really do go missing in Alaska every year. There really are thousands of UFO sightings there. But is the Dark Pyramid real? Well, let's dissect it. Our first witness is Douglas Mutchler, a former military intelligence officer.
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Now, believers in the story say he's a very credible witness. He's provided documents that prove he is exactly who he says he is. That's true. But if you follow this channel, you know how I feel about whistleblowers from military intelligence. I don't trust them. I'm not saying every one of them or any one of them is lying, but some of them are.
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We know Richard Doty's shady history of spreading disinformation within the UFO community. Hal Puthoff, Christopher Mellon, Luis Elizondo, David Grush, and now Doug Mutchler, all whistleblowers, all connected to military intelligence. Now, I'm not saying Doug Mutchler is lying, but I do view his story skeptically. In his defense, the Chinese did detonate an underground nuke on May 22nd, 1992.
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But that's five or six months earlier than Doug claims. But he waited 20 years to come forward. Maybe some of his details are hazy. He said almost 40 other soldiers saw the news report about the underground pyramid. none of those soldiers have come forward. If you go to Linda's website, earthfiles.com, you could see the original emails Doug sent to her. The details change a little over time.
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At some point, he says China informed the UN about the underground test. That didn't happen. When the nuke went off in May, the world was taken by surprise, and the UN condemned the test. Still, he says this happened late November, early December 1992. There was no nuclear test done then. There just wasn't. So there'd be no news report of it.
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But what's interesting is there was a major earthquake in Egypt in October 1992. The earthquake was a 5.3, the highest ever recorded in the area. At least 500 people died. The UN did come in to provide aid and monitor any damage to the ancient sites. There was news coverage of that for weeks because people were worried about the Sphinx and the pyramids.
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Now it's possible, it's even likely, that Doug is conflating a few different memories. And there's no shame in that. Human memory is notoriously bad. But what about Lee Pearson and his son Bruce? Well, we only have Bruce's word. Same with Marty Johnson. These weren't real people, no doubt, but they haven't given us any physical evidence, only their word. And what about remote viewers?
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Of the top 300 UFO hotspots in the world, Mount Shasta is ranked 13th. People have seen chrome objects hovering above dark mountain roads. Others report lights moving in formation, silently swarming the peak and then disappear. One of the most widely reported UFO sightings happened in 2008. Residents said they saw what looked like a giant glowing jellyfish hovering over the mountain.
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Do you believe them? For the most part, I don't. But I do believe Pat Price saw something under Mount... Not only do I believe in Pat Price's ability, I believe he was killed because of it. Check out the episode on Project 8200. I get into all the details. The last and most important name in the story is Linda Moulton Howe. I've followed her work for years.
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We are. Mount motherf***ing Hayes. Watch your mouth. First up is episode 58, which is about Mount Shasta. And a lot of weird things happened on Mount Shasta. But my favorite story is probably the one involving the robot grandma who... Well, I don't want to spoil it.
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She was great whenever she was on Coast to Coast with Art Bell. But she is a true believer. Yes, she does her homework. But she goes into a story believing it, and she focuses on investigating details to support the story. Lots of UFO and paranormal researchers do this. Almost all of them do. I approach these stories from the other side. I go in not believing, but I don't focus on debunking.
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I honestly try to find as much evidence as I can to defend a hard to believe story. Sometimes after researching, I'll change my mind. I thought the hollow moon theory was nonsense until I did an episode on it. Now I'm pretty sure the moon is The moon is weird. I thought crop circles were 100% manmade, but after researching, I can tell you this for sure.
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Almost 100% are manmade, but there are a few that can't be explained or debunked. They just can't. I don't know if there's a pyramid buried in Alaska, but if there is, I'm pretty sure it can generate energy, just like the Great Pyramid of Giza did when the Anunnaki built it 130,000 years ago. Prove me wrong. That is still one of my favorite episodes.
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Now we're going to go all the way back to the beginning to episode number 22 about Mount Rushmore. And this one's only six minutes long, but it feels a lot longer than that. 3 plus 1, 5 plus 0, 0. It's one of the most recognizable and most visited landmarks in America. But Mount Rushmore has a secret. The sculpture, which famously depicts four former U.S.
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presidents as 60 foot granite faces, was constructed between 1927 and 1941 under the direction of architect Gutzon Borglum. Everybody knows that. But few people know about the secret project Borglum was working on as part of the monument. Let's find out why. Freedom, hope, justice. South Dakota's beloved National Memorial Mount Rushmore is a testament to these deeply cherished American values.
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By the 1920s, South Dakota, now a U.S. state, had become a popular road trip destination for Americans. They drove in to see the newly designed Black Hills National Forest and Wild Cave National Park. Governor Peter Norvig had also built the Needles Highway, a scenic route winding through the granite formations of the Black Hills.
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But Don Robinson, a historian at the South Dakota State Historical Society, believed the state needed a little something more to entice tourists. In 1924, he learned about an attempt to carve the likenesses of Confederate leaders into the side of Stone Mountain in Georgia. So. Robinson launched a campaign to create South Dakota's own monument.
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Robinson envisioned sort of an ode to the Old West with historic figures like Lewis and Clark and Lakota leader Red Cloud. He reached out to Stone Mountain sculptor Gutzon Borglum to transform the Granite Mountain into what it is today. Borglum became famous for sculptures honoring U.S. history. He was also famous for his flamboyant and bombastic personality. In Georgia,
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Eyewitnesses said it made no noise, but it seemed to have a fire raging inside of it. Now, unfortunately, there are no photos from the sighting, but just last year, someone captured this footage.
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He became involved with the Stone Mountain Project, but soon began to clash with Stone Mountain Memorial Association. And in February 1925, the association fired Borglum, citing mismanagement of funds and his offensive egotism and his delusions of grandeur. Borglum made national news when he destroyed the Stone Mountain models and fled the state.
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Borglum was talked into working on Mount Rushmore because it was a chance at immortality. And he liked the sound of that. So over the next 16 years, Borglum wrestled with the federal government over funding and control of Mount Rushmore, which he technically never completed. Borglum wanted to carve the presidents down to their waists and chisel a description of the memorial next to them.
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But when it became clear that there wasn't enough space for an inscription or a lot of this stuff, he came up with a new idea.
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He envisioned a grand hall measuring 80 feet tall and 100 feet long, accessible via an 800 foot granite staircase that would include busts of famous Americans, as well as bronze and glass cabinets containing historical documents like the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence.
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And a massive bronze eagle with a 38-foot wingspan would be mounted above the entrance with the inscription reading, The Hall of Records. Now, Borgman believed that future generations might find Mount Rushmore as much a mystery as Stonehenge or the pyramids of Egypt. So he wanted to come up with a way to preserve its history and make sure the story behind the carving would never be forgotten.
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So the vault was built to be just behind Abraham Lincoln's hairline and would contain all the information anyone would ever need to know about the mountains.
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You know, I never really thought of that.
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Work on the Hall of Records began in July 1938, but was halted a year later. Congress wanted construction to focus on the president's first before moving on to the hall.
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No. Despite what Congress said, Borglum, he went ahead with the project anyway. The onset of World War Two in 1941 slowed down the vault project. They only got as far as a 70 foot cavern blasted into the mountain. And Borglum was still refining the presidents when his health began to deteriorate. He died on March 6th, 1941, leaving his son Lincoln to continue the work.
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But the project kept running into problems. For example, Jefferson's head couldn't be completed due to the quality of the stone. In fact, Jefferson was originally supposed to be on Washington's right side, but the stone was too weak, so they kind of improvised as they went along. Now, eventually funding ran out and the project was declared final and complete on October 31st, 1941. Finished.
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Yep, finished. The statues are incomplete, the inscription was never started, and the rock that was blasted out of the mountain is still lying in a huge pile at the site. They said it was good enough.
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So for over 50 years, the Hall of Records was just... A hole in Lincoln's head. Right. But for decades, Borglum's descendants petitioned the government to complete the room in honor of his work. And finally, in 1998, officials agreed to a scaled-back version of the idea.
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Today, sculpted into a series of porcelain enamel panels is the story and history of Mount Rushmore, along with an explanation of why Washington, Jefferson, Roosevelt, and Lincoln were chosen. There are also panels sculpted with the text of the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, and the Gettysburg Address. Park officials even included a biography of Borglum.
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They're all kept inside a titanium vault behind a giant 1,200-pound granite slab. Now, the Hall of Records, it's not open to the public. Strict security measures have been put in place following a breach by Greenpeace, who hung a banner reading Stop Global Warming over the monument in 2009.
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I honestly have no idea. Even high ranking officials of the government are banned from seeing this hidden and largely unknown chamber. But its true intent was to serve as a historical record for future civilization. So we can imagine that Borglum would be pleased to know that his project was finally completed. and may one day do exactly what he intended.
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And what makes Mount Shasta UFOs really strange is that they don't just hover around the mountain. People have seen them fly into the mountain, and they don't mean they flew into an opening in the mountain. Every single person said the UFOs flew into the side of the mountain and just vanished into the rock.
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Things were simpler, that's for sure.
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No, just 192. I feel bad. That video wasn't very good. Anyway, next is episode number 39 about Dyatlov Pass, which is an incident in which some hikers ran into some grisly misfortune on the mountain. And this is one of the first episodes I was proud of because I think I came up with a plausible explanation for what happened to them. At least, I hope I'm right, because it's pretty gruesome.
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But this episode does have a touching ending. Enjoy. When the helicopter rescue team arrived at the Dyatlov Pass in February 1959, the nine missing hikers had been dead for weeks. The more the investigators tried to piece together what happened, the more the story didn't seem to add up. Their tent had been cut open from the inside and abandoned, but there was no sign of a struggle.
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And over a half mile away, two victims were almost completely naked, though temperatures were 30 below zero that night. Other bodies were found even farther away. Two had fractured skulls. Two more had major chest injuries. One was missing his eyes and another was missing her tongue. And reports show that two of the hikers had been exposed to unusually high amounts of radiation.
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Soviet investigators listed the cause of death as a compelling natural force and closed the case a few weeks later. The Dyatlov Pass incident has been a mystery for over 60 years, and theories include a military cover up, a KGB operation gone wrong, a Bigfoot attack, and of course, aliens. Now, one researcher believes he knows what happened that night. Others are not so sure. Let's find out why.
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In the winter of 1959, nine Russian adventurers were on a 200-mile cross-country hiking expedition making their way through the Siberian wilderness. This was difficult terrain, but the seven men and two women were young, fit, and highly experienced skiers and mountain climbers. They were led by 23-year-old Igor Dyatlov, a promising student studying engineering at the Euro Polytechnic Institute.
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A few others in the group were classmates of his at UPI. Now, before he left, Dyatlov told his friends back home that he would send them a telegram as soon as the team returned. Well, that letter was never sent and none of the group was ever seen alive again. The hikers documented everything. They kept journals and they took tons of pictures.
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And it's been said that Mount Shasta is hiding an energy vortex that allows passage into another dimension. Locals believe the UFOs hide in the clouds and enter the mountain through some kind of portal. But that begs the question, a portal to where? For decades, eyewitnesses have seen strange beings in Mount Shasta's caves that seem to have the ability to walk through walls. They just vanish.
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Tons of them. Now, sure, there was lots of snow and frigid temperatures, but everyone was in good spirits and things seemed to be going predictably until February 1st. That day, the group was making its way through Dyatlov Pass, though back then it didn't have a name. And as they tried to push through, they were hit with high winds and snow.
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The decreasing visibility pushed the group off course, and they accidentally ended up on the side of a mountain called Kolatsiakol by the region's indigenous people.
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This is a photo of the group in deep snow with almost zero visibility, digging out a platform for their tent. This is the last photo of them alive.
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And then, nothing. During their journey, members of the group sent postcards and letters to family and friends, informing them of their progress. But weeks had gone by without a single word, so people began to worry. On February 26th, almost a month later, a search party was finally able to locate the campsite. And when they did, it was obvious something had gone terribly wrong.
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The tent where the entire group slept was discovered under a thin layer of snow. It had been cut open from the inside, but there was no sign of a struggle. Food, clothes, gear were still neatly stacked inside the tent. A meal had been set up, but the food was untouched and there were no bodies. The next day, nine sets of footprints were found leading down the mountain into the woods.
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The tracks were evenly spaced and they weren't deep. And this told investigators that the group was moving calmly and orderly. They weren't scrambling, they weren't running, and they weren't fighting. But the tracks were odd. They weren't made with boots. The tracks were made by people wearing socks or barefoot in sub-zero temperatures.
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Searchers then came across a cedar tree where they found the remains of a campfire. And near the fire, buried in the snow, were the first two victims of Dyatlov Pass. Doroshenko and Krivonishenko. They were almost naked, wearing only underwear, though temperatures were 30 degrees below zero that night. Krivonishenko had blackened fingers and third degree burns on his shins and feet.
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And for some reason in his mouth was a chunk of flesh that he had bitten off his right hand. The tree limbs above the fire were broken over five meters above the ground and pieces of flesh were found in the tree bark and scraps of clothing were found in the branches. Now, why would they climb a tree? Was visibility so poor that they were looking for a way back to the tent?
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Were they gathering wood for the fire or were they trying to get away from something? Rescuers expanded the search area, and about 200 feet away, they found three more bodies, including Igor Dyatlov. They were positioned as if they were running away from the tree, trying to get back to the tent.
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Investigators said all of them had died of hypothermia, as they had no damage except for superficial injuries and what would be caused by exposure to cold. But this doesn't explain why Doroshenko, who was found under the tree, had skin that was brownish purple, or why he had gray foam and gray liquid coming out of his mouth.
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It didn't explain the burns, the flayed limbs, or why someone would bite off a chunk of their own hand. The second set of bodies was also confusing. One of them had multiple skull fractures consistent with falling and tumbling over and over again, but there were no bloody rocks or stumps or any evidence anywhere that a fall had occurred.
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The only explanation at this point that despite being highly experienced in outdoor winter survival, they had suddenly fled into the dark and the cold without adequate preparation and were frantically trying to make do before succumbing to the elements.
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They did, but not until months later. And when those bodies were discovered, the story gets even stranger. Four bodies were still missing for months, but in May when the snow began to melt, a local hunter found a makeshift snow den in the woods about 250 feet from the cedar tree. A deep hole was cut in the snow and the floor was made of branches.
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Pieces of clothing were found scattered around the den. Black sweatpants with the right leg cut off, the left half of a woman's sweater. Another search team arrived and they uncovered the four remaining victims lying together in at least 10 feet of snow. Autopsy reports say that these people died not of exposure, but of massive injuries.
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And at this point, criminal investigators were brought in to determine if there was foul play. Three of the bodies had severe injuries, crushed body cavities, broken ribs and internal hemorrhaging. One had a skull fracture so severe that foul play was eliminated because no human could generate the kind of force to create this level of damage.
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Instead, the injuries were consistent with being in a car crash or near the explosion of a bomb. But no soft tissue damage was found and no external injuries. A careful inventory of clothing recovered showed that some of the victims were wearing clothes taken or cut off the bodies of the others that died before them.
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And it's not just these strange beings that disappear on Mount Shasta. It's one of the most active hotspots in North America for mysterious disappearances. In 2011, a young couple was camping on Mount Shasta with their three-year-old son. Suddenly, the boy's parents looked up and their son was gone. They immediately called the authorities and a massive search went on for five hours.
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Well, that's what they originally thought, but an avalanche would have flattened the whole campsite. But if you look at the photos of the tent the searchers found, you can see that the skis and ski poles are still upright. There was no damage to the tree line and there was no debris. And people who die of avalanches usually asphyxiate. But postmortem analysis shows no sign of this.
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They either died from injuries or died of cold. But either way, when they died, they were still breathing. The locals say that Dyatlov Pass doesn't get avalanches. None were reported before the incident and none have been reported since. And what's even more strange is two of the hiker's eyes were missing and one of them was missing her tongue.
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They don't. And maybe the strangest detail of all, two of the hiker's clothing had significant levels of radiation. Yep. Now, despite all of the strange evidence, the case went nowhere due to what was called an absence of a guilty party. The investigation was closed a few weeks later.
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The final conclusion was that the cause of death was an unknown, compelling force which the hikers were unable to overcome. And that was it? That was it. But the victims families weren't satisfied, so they started demanding answers from the Soviet government.
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Well, all files, journals and photographs were classified. The area was made off limits and all evidence collected was destroyed.
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But there is no shortage of theories about what happened.
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We can. Theories about what happened at the Dyatlov Pass. There are some good ones. I'll cover a few, but I'll link to the full list in the description. The first theory is... Aliens? Be patient.
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Remember that a lot of the hikers were students at the Euro Polytechnic Institute or connected with UPI in some way? Well, UPI was constantly turning out recruits for nuclear research and the Soviet military.
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First theory, the KGB connection. Alexei Radikin wrote a book called The Outlaw Pass, where he claimed that three of the hikers were KGB agents on a mission to uncover a secret cell of CIA operatives. During the Cold War, a favorite Soviet tactic was to plant radioactive material in places it didn't belong just to set the Americans on fruitless searches.
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Now, Radikin says that two or three of the hikers were hired by the KGB to deliver radioactive tainted clothing to CIA agents. And the oldest member of the group, at age 37, Semyon Zolotaryov, joined the group at the last minute. He was a combat veteran with years of military service who eventually went to work for the NKVD, or the Soviet Secret Police.
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And before transferring to the physics department at UPI, he worked in Moscow at a top-secret scientific facility known as PO Box 3394. And Yuri Krivonishenko worked at PO Box 404-10, where a massive nuclear accident occurred in 1957. Alexei Radikin is convinced that this group was not gathered by accident. The histories of at least three of the hikers show a lot of KGB connection.
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The true objective of their mission unknown to the other members, was to deliver radioactive samples to a group of agents of the CIA and take pictures of the spies. At the beginning of the journey, all the hikers had cameras and journals. We saw them. But when Kolevatov's body was discovered, his journal and camera were missing and he was one of the suspected spies.
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Then a sheriff's deputy heard a quiet voice coming from a bush not far from the campsite. This was odd because dozens of trained search and rescue professionals had combed every inch of this area multiple times and found nothing. But the boy was found unharmed, so this was called a successful operation, and that was pretty much the end of it.
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Now, theory number two, like who's this guy? In 2014, the Discovery Channel released a documentary called Russian Yeti, The Killer Lives. And they used the Dyatlov incident to make their case that the hikers had disturbed the natural habitat of a yeti. And they used this photo as evidence. The doc went on to say that the yeti was the reason the bodies were missing eyes and a tongue.
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Now, this photo has been authenticated. It's absolutely real. But it doesn't look much like a Bigfoot to me. And that documentary was, well, it was garbage. So next theory.
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This theory says that the reason for the tent being cut from the inside was not to escape, but to set up a camera on a makeshift tripod. Dyatlov himself had experimented with telescopes and was interested in spaceflight and astronomy. The local Mansi people had reported seeing glowing golden orbs in the sky that same night.
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And another hiking group camping 50 kilometers away also reported orange floating orbs in the exact same place at the exact same time. They're even recovered photos from one of the cameras that shows some type of lights in the sky.
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Lev Ivanov, the lead investigator of the incident, said, I suspected at the time and I'm almost sure now that these bright flying spheres had a direct connection to the group's death. He also reported that the treetops in the area were burned above a certain height.
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Another scientific theory is that a rare weather event generated infrasound that caused the hikers to suddenly become disoriented and anxious. Donnie Eicher, who spent five years researching the incident and actually visited the site, believes that a wind phenomenon called a Karman vortex street could have produced a terrifying, powerful sound, which is proven to induce irrational fear in humans.
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We have a video about this on the channel. I'll link below.
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Now, if hit with infrasound, the group might have fled the tent and fallen victim to the cold before they realized what was happening. Now, those are just a few of the theories that have been circulating for years. Some say a weapons test went wrong. Others say the military killed the group and staged the scene.
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Carbon monoxide poisoning is another theory or a bad mushroom trip, though toxicology reports discount those theories.
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if you believe the reports. Nobody has been able to come up with a definitive answer. That is, until this year. Two scientists think they've solved the mystery of Dyatlov Pass, and they used the movie Frozen to prove their theory.
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It wasn't until a few weeks later when the story would take a mysterious turn. The boy was talking to his grandmother, who he called Grandma Cappy, about the incident. He said he liked this Grandma Cappy better than the other Grandma Cappy who found him in the woods. Yeah, the boy's mother was upset by this. What other Grandma Cappy?
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Though the avalanche theory has been mostly dismissed, a new theory has been proposed that the hikers were hit by a very specific and rare kind of avalanche. Johann Gohm, a scientist who studies snow phenomena, was watching the movie Frozen when... You done?
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Gome noticed that Disney had created very realistic snow movement, so he worked with studio animators to develop a model that shows how the group could have been hit by what's called a delayed slab avalanche. This kind of avalanche occurs when you affect the warm, wet snow at the bottom of a slope. This causes the entire face of snow to eventually move at once.
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Now think about when you have two books stacked on top of each other. You could tilt them and they'll stick together until you reach a certain angle. Top book slides. Now, an avalanche only requires a 20 degree slope to trigger it. Now, the Dyatlov camp was built at 23 degrees. Ghosn believes that when they cut into the snow to build their tent, it started a countdown.
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They initiated a chain reaction of micro disturbances that took a few hours to propagate. Trapped under the slab, the group might have panicked and cut their way out. The injuries sustained by some of the group would have been consistent with another slab hitting them at full force.
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it wasn't snowing that night the hikers did have journal entries about howling winds these were most likely katabatic winds and katabatic winds fall down a slope and quickly gain speed due to gravity and the winds are hurricane force and they were absolutely detected by local weather stations that night so the hikers cut their camp into the snow which disturbed the slab then katabatic winds started blowing snow on top of the slab above the tent
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And over the course of hours, the weight of the snow above camp reached critical mass, causing the entire slab to fall. Now, using the Disney snow animation, it was shown that just a small avalanche, maybe five by five meters, would have been enough to cover the camp, but not enough snow that the rescue team would have noticed, especially since they didn't arrive on scene for 26 more days.
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So given this new information, can we piece together what happened to Dyatlov and his friends that night? I think we can. KGB, UFOs, orbs of light. These are fun theories, but I think this is what happened. The slab avalanche hits, covering them in a few feet of snow. The nine campers cut their way out of the tent.
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The boy said the other Grandma Cappy had taken him to a cave in the woods. And there were other people there, too, who were just frozen in place. And this new grandma seemed nice enough, but then she wanted to examine the boy. And for some reason, she asked him to defecate on a piece of paper.
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Well, it was discovered that they had a second stash of supplies in the forest. So they escaped the avalanche, knowing they have backup supplies. They retreat to the trees and start a fire. The young trees at the bottom of the slope were icy and wet, so they climbed the cedar in search of dry wood. But with temperatures 30 below zero, they had very little time to save themselves.
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The two most poorly dressed were probably the first to go. The burned skin, probably from being desperately close to the fire. And with hypothermia setting in, they were losing sensation and didn't realize they were being burned. Kravchenko, losing feeling and probably becoming delirious, bites his hand to test for sensation, and he dies within an hour.
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Seven survivors cut the clothes away from their friends and dress themselves in whatever they can scavenge from the bodies. Three of the group, including Dyatlov, try to make it back to the tent, but the steep incline and loose snow make it a difficult task. They soon freeze to death in the struggle uphill. The remaining four decide to build a snow shelter for the night.
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They find deep snow in a ravine a couple of hundred feet away, but their bad luck continues and they pick a spot near a fast running stream that never freezes. The stream cuts away the snow above their shelter, causing the roof to collapse. They're thrown onto the rocky stream bed and buried under 10 or 15 feet of snow.
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Now, in general, snow weighs about 20 pounds per cubic foot, a little over a pound per inch of depth. A section of snow that's 20 feet by 20 feet with a depth of 10 feet that weighs between 85,000 and 100,000 pounds. That's 50 tons falling on you. So it's like being crushed under a tank. So your injuries would be severe.
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The missing eyes and tongue probably caused by scavenging animals or just by three months of decomposition near running water.
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Right. The lanterns they used, which were found at the site, contained small amounts of thorium, which is radioactive. And remember, at least two of the hikers worked at a nuclear facility and helped with cleanup after an accident that was almost as bad as Chernobyl. So in retrospect, the nine campers made only one mistake, the placement of the tent. Everything else was by the book.
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They conducted an orderly evacuation to safer ground. They took shelter in the woods, started a fire and dug out a snow cave. The textbook wrong decision in an avalanche is to stay put. Unfortunately, that wrong decision might have saved their lives. Now, today, Dyatlov Pass is a popular tourist destination.
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People come from all over the world to follow the group's footsteps and see where the tent once stood. People say prayers at the stream and leave flowers under the cedar tree, where its broken branches are still visible. And just before the team embarked on their adventure, Krivonishenko wrote a poem addressing the entire group.
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No, he said he couldn't go.
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It's been over 60 years since Dyatlov and eight of his courageous friends died on Dead Mountain, but I'm sure they'd be proud to know that not only did they leave their footprints on the map of Russia, but on the map of the entire world. All right, let's change the tone a little bit. Next is another old episode, number 21, The Science of Ancient Acoustic Levitation.
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But it gets even stranger. Grandma Cappy said that just a few weeks earlier, she was camping in the same area when she blacked out. Then she woke up face down in the dirt and noticed she had a strange puncture wound on the back of her neck. She said she was violently ill and thought it was some kind of spider bite.
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This is a theory that tries to explain how ancient people were able to move these giant stone blocks, like to build the pyramid, Coral Castle, the Temple of Jupiter. Now, I know officially the Great Pyramid was built using ramps. Ha! Yeah, I don't know about that either. But it's very possible they were built by sound. And it's possible they were not built by Egyptians.
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Ancient civilizations possessed knowledge that has been lost to time. I think that's obvious. But to be fair, most lost knowledge is probably not practical to us today anyway. I mean, who cares what bacterial infection some ancient swami cured with pine nuts and prayer when we could just use an antibiotic?
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And if some shaman or witch doctor discovered how I can make Windows not update the very second I start a Zoom call, well, I'd love to know that secret. But Shaman are typically Mac people, so not a problem for them. But what about ancient technologies that would be of practical use today, like levitation, specifically levitating large, heavy objects? Now, that would be useful.
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Many people believe levitation, specifically sound or acoustic levitation, was how ancient civilizations like the Egyptians built the pyramids. There's actual science that supports this. Let's find out why. The ruins of several ancient civilizations like the Pyramids of Giza, Stonehenge in the UK, and many others are monuments constructed of massive stones.
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And the first question we have to ask is why? Why use huge, ridiculously heavy pieces of stone when the same structures could have been made with smaller blocks like bricks? Yeah, they were showing off. But we're looking at that question through a modern lens based on the technologies that are available to us today.
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We do know that sound can levitate objects, and I'll get into how that works a little bit later. But current acoustic levitation technology can only move tiny objects with very little mass. Nobody's building pyramids at MIT. And if you are awesome, some researchers think ancient cultures may have mastered levitation through sound, which allowed them to easily manipulate massive objects.
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She was camping with a friend who also had a similar wound and was also terribly sick.
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Yes, the Jedi were an ancient culture, but let's look at cultures in our own galaxy. How the Great Pyramids of Egypt were built has been the subject of debate for a long time. Aliens. The fact is, no one really knows for certain how they were constructed. How do aliens know?
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The mainstream theory is that it took a workforce of about 5000 men and 20 years to build the Great Pyramid using ropes, pulleys, ramps and cranes. And that may very well be the case, though I have my doubts. And if you guys want a whole video on the construction of the pyramids, let me know in the comments. There's a lot to cover about pyramids. For example, they weren't built by slaves.
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Aliens don't need slaves. Can we cool it with the aliens for just a minute? But let's talk about the 10th century historian Abul Hasan Ali al-Masudi. He's known as the Herodotus of the Arabs. And al-Masudi traveled all over the world, but finally settled in Egypt, where he wrote a 30 volume history of the world.
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Well, that's one theory. And Grandma Cappy said she's never going to that mountain again. Then there's the story of Carl Landers. In 1999, Landers, along with two friends, set out to hike to the summit of Mount Shasta. And along the trail, Landers just vanished. He didn't wander off. He didn't cry for help. He was just gone. And it's not like he disappeared into the woods or fell down a hole.
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Like everyone, he was awestruck by the pyramids, and he wrote a very intriguing passage about how the giant stone blocks were transported. First, magic papyrus was imprinted with symbols and placed under each stone. Then the stone was struck with a metal rod that caused it to slowly rise above the ground.
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The stone then moved along a path that was paved with other stones and fenced in by metal poles. The stone traveled along this path for about 50 meters, then gently settled to the ground. This process was then repeated over and over again until the builders had the stone exactly where they wanted it.
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Some believe metal poles could have been used to create high frequency sound vibrations, which would have been responsible for creating the levitation effects. Now, given that the pyramids were already thousands of years old when Al Massoudi wrote this, we have to wonder where he got his information.
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Was this an oral history passed down through the generations or just a great story created by a talented writer?
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Right. Clarke's third law says any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Bingo. The Great Pyramid of Giza does possess some extraordinary acoustic properties and can dramatically amplify sounds at certain frequencies. So the Egyptians clearly knew a lot about sound science and how it could be used to produce powerful effects. possibly including levitation.
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Did striking the rock create vibrations that resulted in sonic levitation? Maybe the layout of stones and rods created some kind of magnetic levitation. The science for either scenario is sufficiently advanced and therefore to Al-Masudi and to us is indistinguishable from magic. Now, the pyramids aren't the only ancient structures made of huge stone blocks.
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There are monuments around the world that contain stone components of such incredible size that they make the pyramids look tiny. But their construction remains a mystery. Let's look at a few more. The Temple of Jupiter at Baalbek, Lebanon, contains the three largest stone blocks ever used in a manmade structure. Each block is estimated to weigh as much as 1000 tons.
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Now, no industrial equipment in existence today could lift one. No super crane and certainly no number of people. Yet somehow they are positioned together so precisely that a sheet of paper can't fit between them. Now, nearby is an even bigger stone. It's known as Hajar al-Hibla, and it's the largest piece of stone ever cut by humans. It weighs 1200 tons.
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It's estimated it would take 16000 men to even budget, and it would be a huge challenge of modern technology to just create it. Yet there it is. How did they do it? Nobody really knows. Let's go to the other side of the planet on a remote plateau in Bolivia, 12000 feet above sea level. There's a monument called Puerto del Sol or Gate of the Sun.
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This elaborately carved megalith is a single piece of stone that weighs 10 tons. Cool. Well, how did it end up almost four kilometers up a mountain? And some scientists think that it may not be in its original location. And if that's so, where did it come from? Here's another.
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Namadal is an archaeological site on the island of Pompeii in Micronesia, and it's been called the Machu Picchu of the Pacific. It's the only ancient city ever built upon a coral reef, and the engineering of Namadal is so complex, nobody can figure out how it was built.
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The Lost City dates back to around 200 BC, and it's made up of hundreds of stacked stone logs, each about three meters long and about a meter in diameter. The logs, which are stacked kind of like firewood, create walls that are 40 feet high and 18 feet thick. That's taller than a three-story building, yet each stone log weighs about two and a half tons.
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There was good visibility for over 100 yards. Landers vanished in a wide open field. And he was an experienced hiker who knew this terrain extremely well. Yet somehow he disappeared off the mountain without a trace. And for a week, a huge manhunt searched every inch of the area. The National Guard even sent helicopters equipped with infrared sensors.
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And the logs that make up the high walls, they weigh as much as 50 tons each. How they were moved and lifted into position is absolutely baffling. The locals didn't have pulleys. They didn't have levers. They didn't even have access to metal. This is Stone Age technology, so how did they do it? Well, the locals tell stories about giants who flew great canoes in the sky.
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And those aliens, I mean giants, use some kind of magic to levitate the logs into place. Now, these are structures from very different and diverse cultures from all over the world. What was their secret? These societies are so old that there is no record of how these structures were constructed.
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But in almost every culture where megaliths exist, a legend also exists that the huge stones were moved by sound, either by striking with a rod to produce acoustic resonance or by instruments. or by simply chanting stones into position. Let's see how that works. For centuries, travelers from the Far East told tales of acoustic levitation.
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Some claim to have encountered mystics who possessed the ability to levitate themselves and objects using sound. One famous story comes from a medical doctor named Dr. Yal. He had been brought to a remote area of Tibet in 1939 to treat a Buddhist holy man suffering from an unknown illness.
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After spending some time with the monks, Dr. Yal eventually gained their confidence, and to show their appreciation, they performed a demonstration of sonic levitation that left the good doctor astounded. They took him to a meadow that was surrounded by high cliffs, and in the middle of the clearing, about 250 meters from a cliff, was a heavy slab of stone.
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Then the monks arranged 19 musical instruments, 13 drums and six trumpets in a 90 degree arc around the stone and started playing. The other monks began singing and chanting a prayer, slowly increasing the tempo. During the first four minutes, nothing happened.
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Then as the speed of the drumming and the noise increased, the big stone block started to rock and sway and suddenly took off into the air and continued to rise until it landed on a hilltop about 250 meters above the ground. This demonstration was repeated multiple times for Dr. Jarl, who actually took film footage of this.
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Oh, that's confiscated and classified. Well, that's a piece of bullshit. I know. I actually found a paper that explains scientifically how this levitation might have actually worked. Link below. And if you're into geometry and geodetics, you're going to love it. Sounds moving.
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Another creation credited with acoustic levitation is the Coral Castle located in Florida. The Coral Castle is a sprawling stone compound built by Edward Leedskalnin between the years 1923 and 1951. The complex is constructed of nearly 1000 tons of rock, which Leedskalnin somehow cut, shaped, lifted and maneuvered into place all by himself. Just him.
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FYI, he was five foot tall and weighed 100 pounds. I ruined the moment, didn't I? And Leeds Galden refused to allow visitors or observers on site while he was working, so there are no eyewitness accounts detailing his construction methods. Yet alone, working mostly at night, he was somehow able to cut and transport a thousand tons of rock to use for walls and towers.
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He also built all kinds of buildings and sculptures. all from giant pieces of stone. An obelisk he raised weighs 28 tons and the largest rock on the property weighs an estimated 35 tons. Now some of these stones are twice the weight of the largest blocks in the Great Pyramid of Giza. All this he did alone and without heavy machinery. The most amazing thing to me is the stone gate.
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Nothing was found, no equipment, no clothing, no body, all gone. To this day, there is no explanation for what happened. So what's going on at Mount Shasta? Can we use logic and science to explain these mysteries? Well, it's difficult to explain ancient native legends because we have no evidence to support or refute the stories.
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It weighs nine tons and has about a quarter inch of clearance inside the frame. It's so well balanced that you could push it open with a single finger. This is something that would be challenging for even the most experienced engineering and construction team. Yet somehow Leedskalnin was able to do it alone. Oh, this guy definitely wasn't union. Nope.
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Lead Scotland never specifically identified sound as a key factor in his work, but he had an interest in radio and owned all kinds of sound equipment, which he used for unknown purposes. Now, no one ever saw him lift enormous objects, though the story goes that spying teenagers saw him float coral blocks through the air like hydrogen balloons.
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He told friends ancient masters had developed a method for overcoming the force of gravity and that as a practicing Freemason, he was exposed to this knowledge through his contacts in that secret organization.
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He might have with magnets or sound or both. I mean, there's actual science behind some of this. And unless you're in a vacuum, sound is everywhere. Sound is created by vibrating molecules of a medium, like air or water, into waves. The waves hit our eardrums or our skull, and our brain decodes the wavelengths into sound.
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We don't usually think of sound as having a physical presence, but acoustic waves can absolutely affect the environment. Think of a nightclub or a concert where you could just feel the bass.
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or how ultrasound is used to pulverize kidney stones, or how singing the right note or wavelength with the sufficient volume or amplitude can shatter glass. There are even sound waves that can make people sick. We've got a video coming up on this, so hit subscribe, hit the bell, like, share, hey. Don't oversell it.
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There is. It's a short episode. I'll see you when you get back.
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Anyway, current acoustic levitation techniques use sound traveling through media, usually gas, to counteract the force of gravity. A basic acoustic levitator has two main parts, a transducer, which is really just the surface that creates the sound by vibrating, kind of like a speaker. And there's also a reflector, which helps focus the sound waves on the object you want to levitate.
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Now, to get this to work, there's quite a bit of math involved. For example, the distance between the transducer and the reflector must be a multiple of half of the wavelength of the sound. This is because you need to get enough molecules lined up under the object in order to lift it. If you just blast sound at an object, all you're doing is scattering a bunch of molecules around. That won't work.
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But if we remember the story about the Tibetan monks, they were using this precise technique. They played specific instruments in unison, just like a transducer focused at a specific object from a specific distance, like a reflector. I bet if we knew the actual sounds of their instruments, we'd see a correlation between the wavelengths they emitted and the distance to the stone.
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Now, I'm not saying the monks actually got this to work, but I am saying the science is sound.
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So now that we've seen that sound can be used to move objects, is this enough evidence to prove how the pyramids were constructed? For some people, yes. For most, no. For me, I'm not really sure. Could the pyramids have been constructed using pulleys, ramps, and cranes like mainstream Egyptologists claim? Well, sure.
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Since the legends have been passed down over several thousand years, not only is it possible, but it's likely that these stories evolved over time. I mean, who can resist adding a little drama to make a story seem more mystical? I'm guilty of doing it on this channel.
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But when you look at the sheer size those ramps would need to be and the distances involved, the amount of materials required to build the scaffolding would be more than the material in the actual pyramids. Much more. So where are all the construction materials? To me, there seems like there's something going on here, but we can't even talk about this without being labeled kooks.
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Any challenge of established scientific dogma is labeled pseudoscience. Isn't that a bit arrogant? Isn't pseudoscience only pseudoscience until it's actual science? But people are afraid to go up against the establishment. Kepler and Copernicus were ridiculed by their peers. Louis Pasteur's research was rejected by the medical establishment.
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Gregor Mendel, Nikola Tesla, initially they were rejected. Imagine the hate they'd get if Twitter existed. But that's a long time ago. Surely we've matured since then. Think about this. In 1903, when the Wright brothers and others were building airplanes, The New York Times said manned flight would not be possible for one to 10 million years. Oops.
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And in 1985, The New York Times said no matter how inexpensive or powerful a laptop computer would become, nobody would want one. And when Apple announced the iPhone, the Times said they'd probably never build it. And even if they did, nobody would buy it. And speaking of Twitter, here's what the New York Times said when it launched.
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You have. If you suggest that levitating heavy objects with sound or creating free energy is even possible, you're viciously attacked, not just by Facebook and Twitter, but by the New York freaking Times. Aren't new ideas worth exploring? Did Steve Jobs care what people thought about him? Does Elon Musk care? No, they just went out and changed the world.
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Mount Shasta isn't a very active volcano now, but it's erupted many times in the past, and human settlements were present during those eruptions. When native tribes describe Mount Shasta as the home of a god who throws flaming rocks at his enemies, we could certainly see that these ancients were trying to make sense of what they saw.
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So my message today is not to the corporate media or social media. They make money by getting all of us to attack each other. That's their business model. It's shameful. And that's why nobody trusts them. Who cares? George Bernard Shaw said, all great truths begin as blasphemies.
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This message is to those blasphemers, to the recluse out there building castles with sound and magnets and his own hands, to the nerd in the garage tinkering with electronics because he knows in his heart there is a better way. This message is to the next Kepler, Jobs, Elon Musk, to the misfits and dreamers and visionaries. My message is to you. They are going to attack you.
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They are going to hate you. Ignore them. Keep dreaming. Keep building. Keep blaspheming. Because I can tell you with 100% certainty, the world needs you much more than it needs the New York Times. I think that is another episode we could probably revisit and expand on now that I'm allowed to do episodes longer than 18 minutes. Anyway, we're up to our last one. We made it.
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Oh, I'm sorry, I shouldn't be screaming because most of you are asleep. Episode 81 is next. It's about how the Great Pyramid of Giza could have been a power plant. And I know if you haven't seen the episode, that sounds far-fetched, but I will explain scientifically how through chemical reactions it absolutely could have been possible. This is a fun one. ...
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Nikola Tesla believed that he could harness the energy from inside the Earth and transmit that power wirelessly around the world. His early experiments were successful, but his research mysteriously vanished after his death. There is no evidence left of Tesla's wireless power technology. Or is there? For years, we were taught that the Great Pyramid of Giza was a tomb for a king. It wasn't.
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It had a different purpose. Tesla didn't invent wireless power. It's been here for 5000 years and probably a lot longer than that. OK, why were the pyramids built?
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Mainstream Egyptology says that the Great Pyramid of Giza is a tomb built for Khufu, the fourth dynasty Egyptian pharaoh who ruled 4,500 years ago. But the Great Pyramid doesn't have any characteristics of other Egyptian tombs. The Great Pyramid contains no artifacts, no hieroglyphs, and no elaborate wall art.
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It's been argued that the granite sarcophagus found in the king's chamber once contained Khufu's mummy. There's no evidence that a mummy was ever there. No mummy has ever been found in any pyramid, ever. Ancient Egyptians considered their pharaohs gods. The Great Pyramid is a strange structure for a god. Small chambers, narrow shafts, no markings at all.
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And when American Indians spoke of giants, did they really mean Bigfoot? It's not clear. There isn't much reporting of Bigfoot until 1924, when a few gold prospectors came back from an expedition talking about how they were attacked by giant ape men who threw boulders at their camp. And the story caught fire and grabbed so much attention that park rangers launched a full investigation.
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The way the pyramid was built and the materials used to build it suggest it had a different purpose.
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the sides of the pyramid are aligned with the compass with such accuracy that only modern engineering can match it the great pyramid is a mountain made of two and a half million blocks of stone weighing six million tons piled 481 feet high its footprint is over 13 acres to align this construction within 1 15 of a degree of true north is impossible precision the base of the great pyramid is leveled within three quarters of an inch
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The only way to do this with modern structures is to use lasers. Even though the sides of the pyramid are over 755 feet long, made of stone blocks weighing between 2 and 40 tons each, each side is within two inches of any other. That's 99.98% accurate. Fun fact, the pyramid doesn't have four sides. It actually has eight.
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Each side is slightly concave that you can only really see from directly above, or when the pyramid casts shadows during the equidoxes. And yes, those angles, too, are perfect. Whoever built the pyramids somehow knew the size of the Earth. If you take the height of the pyramid and multiply it by 43,200, you get 3,938.685 miles, which is within 11 miles of the polar radius of the planet.
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That's 99.7% accurate. If you take the perimeter of the base of the pyramid and multiply that by 43,200, you get 24,734.94 miles. That's the Earth's circumference at the equator within 99.3% accuracy. We know that the ancients were obsessed with equinoxes, when the day and the night are the same lengths. The length of the day and night on an equinox is 43,200 seconds.
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Now, skeptics will say this relationship between 43,200 and the size of the Earth is forced. They say, well, the planet is different sizes in different places, so this is just a coincidence.
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A little bit, yeah. Oh, good. I love those. Don't gloat.
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Most of the Great Pyramid is constructed of nummulite limestone, the reddish-brown blocks that we see today. This rock is found close to the site and is abundant, but the builders of the pyramid also used unusual materials not found locally. The exterior of the pyramid was once covered in casing stones made of bright white limestone.
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They were polished smooth and fit together so tightly that no seams were visible. These casing stones were cut and shipped from a quarry in Tura, almost 500 miles away. That's like carrying thousands of 10-ton stone blocks the length of the entire state of Florida. They must have been special. Unlike the limestone cut locally, Tour limestone lacks magnesium. This makes it an excellent insulator.
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Limestone can carry an electrical current. Tour limestone can't. Interior chambers were built with a rare type of granite called rose granite, also brought from hundreds of miles away. This granite has a high concentration of silicon dioxide, also known as quartz. When quartz is compressed or even just moved, it creates a charge called piezoelectricity.
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If you follow this channel, you know that many of these videos come from your suggestions. And I get emails all the time from people who want content about UFOs. Others want lost cities, strange disappearances, or... Lizard people! Reptilian humanoids. Today, we fulfill all these requests in one video. There is no other place on Earth steeped in more mystery than Mount Shasta.
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One face of the quartz will have a positive charge. The other will have a negative charge. Connect the two faces together and you have an electrical circuit. Because of this property, quartz is used in all kinds of modern devices like watches, clocks, TVs, GPS units, and on and on. To charge a watch that uses quartz, all you have to do is shake it.
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What they found didn't impress them. They said the boulders were actually just large rocks and looked like they were placed there by the men. And there were supposedly Bigfoot tracks in the area. But when the rangers looked closely at the tracks, it was clear they were made by one of the miners using his knuckles and the palm of his hand.
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And if you've ever used a barbecue lighter, the voltage is created by a quartz crystal. The king and queen's chambers were built with granite that is 85% quartz. The tunnels and passageways are also lined with quartz-rich granite. If pressure was applied to all this granite, it would generate a tremendous amount of electricity, turning the pyramid into a giant power plant.
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And there's proof that this is exactly what happened. The idea that the Great Pyramid was a power plant is not new. It was first proposed in the 1970s. It was and is considered a fringe theory.
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One of the most compelling cases comes from Christopher Dunn. He believes the process starts in the subterranean chamber. Below the pyramid are aquifers. As water moves through the underground cavities, sound waves are created. The frequency of these waves resonate with the Earth's natural vibration.
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As those waves move up through the pyramid, a process is used to magnify, focus, and convert the sound into energy. The Queen's Chamber was used for a chemical reaction that created hydrogen, and there's substantial proof of this. There are two interior shafts that lead to the Queen's Chamber. The northern shaft has traces of hydrochloric acid. The southern has traces of hydrated zinc chloride.
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Combining these two chemicals creates a volatile reaction that generates hydrogen. A lot of hydrogen. This hydrogen gas would flow from the Queen's Chamber through the horizontal passage and into the Grand Gallery. The Grand Gallery is also made of granite. As the hydrogen gas builds up, the pressure compresses the granite, creating electricity.
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This electricity also ionizes the air, increasing conductivity. Within the Grand Gallery were 27 or 28 pairs of resonators that would vibrate and emit sound. The hydrogen atoms would organize themselves into waves in sympathy with the sound waves of the Gallery. These sound waves further excite the stone, creating even more electricity.
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That's right, but somehow when you say it, it sounds dirty. I'm a naughty, naughty fish. Acoustic engineers have determined the gallery resonates at 440 hertz and naturally emits an F-sharp chord. 440 hertz and the F-sharp chord have been connected to a lot of woo-woo ideas, but there's a reason for that. It's considered a sound that resonates in harmony with the earth.
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Still, there's no stopping a viral story and the legend of Bigfoot was born. But what about these portals that seem to swallow people whole? Is there any science to support the phenomenon that two points in space can be joined by nothing but energy? Turns out, there is. In 2013, NASA discovered a phenomenon called an X-point.
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The builders of the pyramid knew this. Longtime Mac users will recognize this sacred cord. At the top of the gallery is a small shaft leading to the King's Chamber. The opening is 8.4 by 4.8 inches. This is the perfect size for hydrogen microwaves to pass into the King's Chamber, which also resonates at 440 hertz and F-sharp.
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Above the King's Chamber are five layers of granite beams, stacked and separated by air gaps. This is called the relieving chamber because it was believed that this interior structure relieved the weight of the pyramid. That's not what it does. The beams are smooth on three sides, but rough cut on the top. Christopher Dunn believes the reason for the rough cut is this is how the beams were tuned.
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The builders could vibrate the granite beams and slowly chip away at the stone until they resonated with an F-sharp chord. which they do. The king's chamber is what's known as a Helmholtz resonator. When you blow air across the top of a bottle and create sound, that's a Helmholtz resonator.
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Change the volume of liquid in the bottle or change the volume of stone within the chamber, you change the pitch. The entire complex is a giant musical instrument. Now, some skeptics reluctantly agree that the Great Pyramid has musical properties. But for skeptics to consider the pyramid as a power plant,
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They would need evidence to show that a giant stone pyramid would respond to electromagnetic energy. There was no evidence of that until 2018. Whether true or not, it's scientifically possible that the Great Pyramid was a structure for creating, harnessing and focusing energy. The exterior was made of material that insulates electricity.
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The interior was made of material that conducts electricity. The chambers were made of material that creates electricity. The next piece of evidence is the pyramid's ability to focus EM energy. In 2018, scientists used radio waves at different frequencies to see if the Great Pyramid would interact with electromagnetic waves of a resonant length.
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Their experiments proved that in a resonant state, the pyramid can concentrate electromagnetic energy in the internal chambers as well as under its base. Resonance in the pyramid can be induced by radio waves with the lengths ranging from 200 to 600 meters. The closer to 200 meters, the more dramatic the effect.
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A year after that in 2019, Eric Wilson published a paper called A Large-Scale Thermal Acoustic Generator. The paper describes how when granite and other rocks are vibrated, electrons will migrate through the rock and up to the surface. By combining science and music, The builders of the pyramid created a power generating machine tuned to the natural harmonic of the Earth's vibration.
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Vibration that primarily comes from the tidal energy created by the moon's gravity. This technology, created thousands of years ago, could generate unlimited clean energy. But how did they get the energy out? That brings us back to Tesla. His Wardenclyffe Tower was built on top of an aquifer with copper and iron rods extending down into the water.
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When electricity was sent into the tower, it was to be transmitted around the world through the atmosphere. The pyramid is also built on an aquifer, and copper pipes and iron rods have recently been discovered there. If the capstone was made of gold, the energy concentrated inside the pyramid would have been drawn to the top and transmitted to the atmosphere.
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Tesla's wireless power distribution system used the resonance of the Earth, just like the pyramid. And just like the pyramid, the energy generated by Tesla's tower would be unlimited, clean, and virtually free for everyone on the planet. But Tesla's tower was destroyed by outside forces. There's evidence that the Great Pyramid was destroyed from within.
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X-points are places where the magnetic field of the Earth is directly connected to the magnetic field of the Sun. This is an uninterrupted path of energetic particles leading from our planet all the way to our star, 93 million miles away. Another study confirmed these portals and found some of them are short-lived, opening and closing very quickly, but others are stable for long periods of time.
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In the year 1900, Nikola Tesla convinced JP Morgan to fund a project to create a wireless communication system. When Tesla received the funding, he decided to scale up the project. Rather than transmit messages around the world, he would transmit power. Tesla had already demonstrated that wireless power would work on a small scale.
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He famously had light bulbs scattered on the ground that would illuminate when a Tesla coil was activated nearby. Now he wanted to go bigger. He explained this world changing technology to JP Morgan and asked him for more money to complete the project. Rather than support Tesla, Morgan pulled his funding, claiming breach of contract. JP Morgan owned General Electric, which would be made obsolete.
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He owned AT&T. which would also become obsolete. JP Morgan owned copper mines all over the world, and his factories generated miles of copper wire. JP Morgan owned rubber farms and factories that created insulation for wire. He owned steel companies and factories that built power generators. He owned timber mills that created telegraph and electricity poles.
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He owned coal mines that fueled existing power plants, and he owned two dozen railroads that transported all these resources around the country. None of this would be necessary if Tesla created free, unlimited wireless power. For several years, Tesla wrote JP Morgan almost every month, begging him to reconsider. He wouldn't.
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Instead, JP Morgan chose to finance Tesla's competitors, Edison and Marconi, who were improving on and getting rich from Tesla's inventions. And not only did JP Morgan refuse any further investment, but he also put out word to everyone in the wealthy investor class that Tesla should be avoided. He was essentially blacklisted.
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By 1915, Tesla had accumulated so much debt that the bank foreclosed on the Wardenclyffe property. The tower was demolished in 1917 and sold for scrap. The project was never completed. Tesla was a genius, but he was at a disadvantage. Men like Edison and Marconi knew how to bring Tesla's inventions to market. They knew how to make technology accessible.
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And most of all, they knew how to play the game. You don't bite the hand that feeds you. That's why 84% of the world's energy is created from fossil fuels. It's also why Tesla died alone and broke. it's possible that the Great Pyramid suffered some catastrophic event that caused it to stop working. In addition to hydrochloric acid, there are traces of sulfuric acid in the southern shaft.
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In the northern shaft, there's zinc chloride and ammonium chloride. These chemicals can create hydrogen without being mixed, but if you do combine ammonium chloride with sulfuric acid, you get more than a reaction, you get an explosion. Because of the structure of the pyramid, this explosion could be controlled. but there's evidence that an uncontrolled explosion may have occurred.
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In 2001, in the Grand Gallery, scorch marks were discovered in the ceiling above where the resonators would have been. In the King's Chamber, cracks have been found in the granite beams. At first, this was thought to be caused by an earthquake. But the damage was only found in areas of the pyramid where the flow of highly compressed heated hydrogen occurred.
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The walls in the king's chamber have been pushed out over an inch. It takes a lot of pressure to push tons of granite out that far. The great step outside the king's chamber also shows extensive damage like that from an explosion, not an earthquake. Other parts of the interior also show signs of charring. When the southern shaft was discovered, it was coated with salt about an inch thick.
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Now, obviously, we can't use these portals to travel.
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This would happen if hydrogen was boiling and bubbling up the shaft. What caused the pyramid power plant to explode is not known, but Christopher Dunn believes it was some sort of cataclysm, not an earthquake, but maybe an asteroid impact. There's a problem with this theory, though. The ancient Egyptians kept meticulous records of everything. There is no record of an impact during this time.
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Dunn believes it happened thousands of years earlier. That brings me to this thought. Skeptics will say if the ancient Egyptians used electricity, there would be documentation, even hard evidence of it. You'll see true believers point to glyphs that look like light bulbs, but I honestly think that's a stretch.
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Yet. But there is science to support that the Earth is magnetically tethered to the sun. And the magnetism around Mount Shasta is highly unusual. The entire area is blanketed by an enormous negative magnetic anomaly. Could this area of strong magnetism be creating ruptures in space that cause people to disappear?
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There's no evidence the Egyptians worked with glass or any components used to make a light bulb. So why is there no evidence of the use of electricity in ancient Egypt and no record of electricity being generated by the Great Pyramid? Well, because the ancient Egyptians didn't build it. There really is no debate by mainstream academics about the who, when, why, or how of the Great Pyramid.
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It was built by ancient Egyptians in 4500 BC as a tomb for Khufu, and that's that. But what if none of that is true? What if the ancient Egyptians didn't build the pyramid, but found it? And when they found it, it had been dormant for years, maybe thousands of years. Graham Hancock is a proponent of the Orion constellation theory.
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This says the Great Pyramid Complex is almost a perfect match for the stars in the Orion constellation. But they don't line up to where Orion is today. They line up with where Orion was in the sky 13,500 years ago. We've discussed how the builders were obsessed with equinoxes. The Sphinx faces due east, and on the Vernal Equinox, the constellation that rose due east 13,500 years ago was Leo.
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Now, I'll concede the astronomical evidence could be a coincidence, but there is hard evidence that these structures are older than originally thought. You can't carbon date limestone. but there are clues that the pyramid and the Sphinx have been there for a long, long time. Robert Schock from Boston University believes the Sphinx and Giza complex is about 13,500 years old.
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Giza has been an extremely dry climate since the time of the pharaohs, but the Sphinx shows signs not only of wind and sand erosion, but also extreme water erosion. The erosion patterns around the base of the Sphinx could only occur if huge volumes of water were washing over the plateau at violent speeds.
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Justified. Justified asshole. Yeah. But overall, I don't think asshole for kicking her out of your house.
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Not the asshole. Which is the overall vote on this one. After just three short days, people came to a conclusion very quickly. Top comment. Thank your lucky stars. She came for a visit and your boyfriend showed his true colors about your relationship. He will always put his mom and her beliefs ahead of your feelings and will never stand up to her for you.
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But people cope with things in a lot of ways. And so I'm hoping today we can provide some relief with these crazy stories. The only thing that I had kind of in mind for this assortment is like, who's being too hard here? Like, is anyone being too hard? Is like he being too hard on her or vice versa or, you know? So I'm like, life feels hard.
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Let Audible help you reach the goals you set for yourself. Start listening today when you sign up for a free 30-day trial at audible.com slash THT. 30 days, free, audible.com slash THT. Okay, this one. So this one is coming from Relationship Advice, titled, My 28 female best friend, 29 female, keeps inadvertently calling me her ugliest bridesmaid.
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For context, I and Rochelle have been friends since we were kids. She is an incredibly smart, talented, and beautiful woman and has always been. But she can be a bit blunt and mean at times. So I try to take what she says with a grain of salt. However, a recent comment really bothered me.
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She told me I was paired with the groomsman with the most jealous girlfriend because I am the least threatening and, quote, he wouldn't be attracted to me. And I'm not a skinny tall blonde. Now, I am not a skinny tall blonde, but the comment just felt, I don't know, unnecessary? Like she was trying to tell me she thought I was the ugliest bridesmaid without saying it?
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Rochelle has already warned me that I am the weird friend of the bridal party. I can be a bit nerdy, but I like a few of the other girls, and I don't think we are much different. We all have tattoos, some have piercings, similar taste in music. I am nerdier because I like video games and anime, but I'm not awkward enough to broadcast that to a group of women I don't know very well.
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It's not my entire personality or anything I'm super passionate about. More than anything, it's helped me connect with her fiance, who I consider a good friend. Another thing is that I wasn't the maid of honor. Not shocking, and I'm not hurt, since Rochelle and I aren't as close as we used to be.
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But I do remember a conversation we had a couple of years ago with her saying something along the lines of, quote, I don't think you could plan everything the way I want it to be. You're not very type A. I just wouldn't want to be disappointed. Totally fair in my opinion, but again, it hurt a bit. Did that really need to be said out loud?
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Basically, a lot of small comments over the years have me wondering if I'm reading into this too much, if I'm too insecure, or if it's time to tell Rochelle the things she says or how she says them are really bothering me. Any advice is appreciated, whether you think these comments are insignificant or how you would have that conversation if you were in my shoes.
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So I'm hoping this episode can bring you guys a lot of distraction. But that being said. We did have a Google form that we asked you guys to go fill out if you needed something to start you off on this new journey this year, 2025. And we have so many submissions.
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And that's where I'm with this one. It's giving mean girl. It's giving someone who is treating her friend like a punching bag. That's the word that really came to mind where this girl's being treated like a punching bag. And for me, I'm kind of in the boat of what do you want with this friendship?
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Because I think this person over the years, you know, you're 28, she's 29 or whatever it is like this is kind of who she is. she's proven her character. You've been friends since you were kids. It's not changing. And I'd be curious, have you told her that your feelings have been hurt in the past and she just hasn't changed? And if that's the case, then this is, this is Rochelle.
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This is your friend. This is who you get. So what do you want? Because it could go two ways, right? If you want to be treated better by this person, you need to talk to her. Okay? There's option A. You talk to Rochelle and Rochelle gets defensive and kicks you out of the wedding or... Then you know the true nature of the friendship. Rochelle takes it to heart, becomes a better friend.
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So if you go to the link in the description this week, you will find the Google sheet of all of the submissions, whether it's a link for their Amazon wishlist, their Venmo, a cash app, you'll find that. You'll find a little bit of what they're going through or what the person they nominated is going through. I know I did check yesterday and we did have some L.A. fire victims.
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Yeah. But there's also this flip side where if you've talked to Rochelle in the past, and here you are again with all these snide comments and being the punching bag... You might be better with option B where you just keep quiet, enjoy the wedding, and then you slowly fade out. Yeah. Or your friendship changes, right?
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Like there's some friends that are casual and maybe you keep Rochelle more at a distance and you grab lunch here and there because of the history. And, you know, you do enjoy her sometimes, but you don't put so much faith or stock into
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into Rochelle because you recognize Rochelle is Rochelle and it's not the nicest and you try not to let it get to you but me personally I have a hard time being quiet I do like to resolve things So for me, I probably would go to Rochelle and be like, hey, I don't even know if you've realized this, but you've said some things to me and I'm feeling very hurt.
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I'm feeling a little disrespected and I just kind of want to talk about it.
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And you should be able to. But I will say, kind of judging Rochelle, don't be surprised if you get kicked out of the wedding. Don't be surprised if you get cut off.
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Yeah. I mean, I think that's definitely what it's giving it. It's honestly hearing all this. It's a little surprising. They're still friends. Yeah. But I've stayed friends with some shitty people for a while until, you know, finally there was a straw that cracked and the ship went down.
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You could. I will say, too, there's some comments here where I hope our writer also starts to work on herself a little bit. Maybe her confidence, maybe just being more secure.
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Because there's some comments here that I'm kind of like... That's kind of goofy. The one about like, I am nerdier because I like video games and anime, but I'm not awkward enough to broadcast that to a group of women I don't really know. It's not my entire personality or anything I'm very passionate about.
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Being into anime or video games has nothing to be ashamed about to the point you don't share it and you think it's weird if you brought it up with a group of women. I think of my friend Mikayla, and Mikayla loves anime. Yeah. And she talks about it. And I would never judge her for liking anime just because I'm not...
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as into it like yeah I just think it's so weird and so to feel like you have to hide yourself or passions or downplay passions and be like oh well I'm into it but I know they're weird like why are you so into it if you're not passionate about it or you think it's super weird like
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It's interesting. And then the, I just kind of noticed the lead into that too, where it's like more than anything, it's helped me connect with her fiance, who I consider a good friend. And I'm like, did you get into the anime because of the fiance or am I just now starting to spiral and take this?
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We have people that lost a partner tragically and just need help with diapers and formula. So there's there's a lot in our own community, in our own backyard that can use a little support and uplifting. So if you feel like you're in a good place right now. And you want to help. I mean, buying someone a pack of diapers could turn things around for them.
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If you want this person as a friend going forward and you're tired of being treated like this, you need to address it.
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But? option B might be the better option of just slow fade depends yeah top comment on this one one of the best things I realized in my 20s is that I did not have to keep the people from childhood who are not my friends it's okay to walk away and pick a better one yeah The next comment. Yeah, no kidding. Yeah. There is only one comment from OP.
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And it's in response to this comment, which I'm not sure I entirely get. Someone goes, have you researched if you are the ugliest bridesmaid? I mean, there has to be one, right?
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And OP goes, this is the second best take after fuck the groomsmen.
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And that's that sunken cost fallacy. And it's hard to get over. I myself have stayed friends with people because of the history. And, you know, we can all rationalize. That's human. That's normal. But I think you will get to a point where enough will be enough. And you might not be there with Rochelle today, but you might get there.
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So, you know, feel free to pitch in as you can, but you'll find the link for that Google sheet where you can see everything in the episode notes and description. That being said, are we ready to get into these ones?
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But if you can make it better and you want to make it better, try. Otherwise, you got your answer.
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Yeah. I mean, I am into werewolf, shapeshifter, dragon, romance books. I'm not ashamed to tell it. And you know what? I actually just had a listener. I was reminded of this thanks to this conversation. I actually just had a listener, Miss Lucia Sky, send me her book as a little present to our P.O. box. And it's called Faded Hearts, an Echo of Darkness prequel.
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And I'm bringing it on our road trip tomorrow and I'm going to start reading it. But it looks great. So good. And it's like, I'm into that because I've talked about it on a podcast before. I got sent an amazing book from a listener. Yeah. Like, like talk about it. You could meet your new best friend and not be bullied and not be called the ugliest bridesmaid essentially.
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Yeah, I think so. Okay, moving along. Another one of this week's partners is Quince. New year, and this also could be a time to reimagine yourself. Quince is going to be the way you do it while getting high quality pieces, pieces that are staples and will last for years to come and keep you on budget. Quince's prices are actually 50 to 80% less than similar brands.
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And you see it on each item and the comparables and what you'd pay if you didn't shop at Quince. We were on the hunt for a suede jacket and we went everywhere in person. We were unable to find anything in store. Everything was overpriced and didn't have the same quality as Quinn's. The suede jacket we got Justin feels incredible and you know it's going to last for years to come.
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quince.com slash THT. This story... could potentially use some trigger warnings for toxic relationships, baby trapping. It's intense. So if you feel you can't handle conversations that kind of head down a slippery slope in regards to those two things, please skip ahead. Well, this one is coming from r slash A-I-T-A-H.
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It is titled, am I the asshole for kicking my fiance out after joking he got me pregnant on purpose?
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I, 23 female, made a post a couple of days ago on here talking about a joke my fiance made at Thanksgiving, which concerned me. The post got taken down, locked. This is a repost slash update. I, 23 female, have been with my fiance, 26 male, for three years. We met while I was on holiday, and a few weeks after, he followed me on Instagram, and the rest is history.
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We got engaged last year, and a month later, I found out I was pregnant. We have a beautiful six-month-old. We hosted Thanksgiving this year, and my fiance was drinking quite heavily, and after dinner, me and my mom were talking about the wedding, which my parents are paying for.
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I overheard my fiancé tell my brother, who was just as drunk as him, that, quote, he needed to tie me down and get me pregnant before I realized what a dickhead he was. They laughed it off, but it rubbed me the wrong way because our baby wasn't planned. I wasn't ready for a child, and we were using condoms.
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But after a few instances where the condom broke, I decided it would be safer if I got on birth control. The first month on birth control, I got pregnant. We were told that could happen, and he said he would pull out to be safe, but I still got pregnant. I was scared as fuck, but I personally didn't want to get an abortion. I 100% believe in the right to get an abortion.
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I just didn't want one, and so I decided to keep the baby. I work for my dad's company and my fiance works at a country club. Money wasn't necessarily why I didn't want a baby. I just wanted to do more before I started a family. I spoke to my fiance about what he said. And at first he said he didn't remember saying it, which was believable because of how drunk he was.
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But then he said it was just a joke and it was meant as a compliment because I'm so amazing. So I said, okay, good, because we're getting a prenup. I was just joking, but I also wanted to see how he reacted. And he was pissed. He said, why the fuck would he sign a prenup when we have a baby together, a house together, and that he would not sign one.
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How we wouldn't need one because we were never separating. And that me mentioning a prenup is insulting and emasculating. I never felt threatened or anything like that, but he did make me uncomfortable and he woke our baby up. So I told him to leave, which he did.
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The day after I kicked him out, he sent me a long apologetic message about how it was out of character of him to get loud, which it was. He's never acted like that before. And I replied saying, I appreciate the apology, but I still just need a day or two to think everything through. The next day, he sent me a bouquet to the apartment.
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Sunday, he sent me a booking confirmation of a massage he booked for me at the club and offered to come over and watch our son and cook dinner. Tonight, he sent me a message saying that I'm being an asshole and that I'm taking a meaningless joke to heart and that he's wasting money he could be saving for the wedding on the hotel.
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But now things that went over my head before, I'm starting to think are sus. But breaking up my family over this doesn't seem right. Am I overthinking this? Slash, am I being an asshole?
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But that's interesting to me is like, why would you even bring up a prenup unless there's something to be concerned about?
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It's dicey too, right? Because like I say, and I'm not a lawyer, but like inheritance is protected. But if you take your inheritance and then put it in a joint account, it's not.
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It doesn't count anymore. That's joint now. He's entitled to it. But I'm just getting a lot of red flags here. I don't think that's a comment you make to someone. Like, yeah, I had to get her pregnant before she realized what a dickhead I was. That is a very odd thing to say. Especially when it was an accident. Condoms kept breaking.
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Really, really bad. And condoms, yeah, it breaks. Birth control fails. I know like when you start birth control, it takes a little while for your body to like get acclimated and for it to actually work. But, you know, we've been together six years. We've used condoms the entirety of our relationship. The amount of times we've had a condom break is once. Like they kept breaking. I am sussed.
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And with the comment, I'm sussed. And then his reaction about the prenup, weird. If you don't understand prenups, I get it. But to like be so enraged, you're yelling and screaming that you wake up a baby.
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There's just like a lot going on here. And I'm just, I'm not getting a good vibe.
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This is coming from r slash relationship advice. I, 26 male, messed up with the perfect girl, 23 female. How can I show her that I'm serious about her? Okay. Okay. I really like everything about her. She has a good job. She's thoughtful and can throw down in the kitchen. We've been seeing each other casually for nine months and I planned on making it serious when I have the time.
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Like, I would be very curious for, like, a psychologist or relationship expert to chime in and, like... I'm curious, is yelling ever good or is all yelling toxic? Because like, that's not a part of our relationship, but I wonder if there's any where it's like, I don't know.
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Literally. So I'm curious. I'd love for someone to chime in, but we've got a lot of comments on this one. So as our writer mentioned, they did post this originally in Am I the Asshole about a month ago, closer to, you know, after Thanksgiving.
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And the top comment on that post is he said he needed to tie you down and that you don't need a prenup because you're never separating and it's emasculating. The way he phrases these things comes across as really toxic and controlling. What he said to another male while drunk might not have really been a joke either. If that didn't sit well with you, you were right to bring it up.
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Your joke might have been petty, but that's still no excuse for him to get aggressive, loud, and upset. There's nothing wrong with a prenup, per se. However, getting someone pregnant on purpose is a shitty and perverted move. It's not something to joke about.
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He joked about potentially stripping a living being of her ability to choose for herself, while you joked about a legal paper that is perfectly reasonable and understandable. You might want to have another discussion with him to make sure you're okay with someone who says things like that and to confirm it was nothing more than an awfully disrespectful bad joke.
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You will never fully know it's do you trust him? Do you believe him? Or are his past actions poking enough holes to then incite some doubt?
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And she's saying there's other things now that have gone over my head that are now sus. That's what I want to know about. So someone says, if we are never separating, then why won't you sign it? Like kind of implying OP should say that. OP, trust your gut. Something seems off. Agree. My husband and I were slash are certain we were never separating. We still signed prenups.
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Signing a prenup isn't emasculating or a sign of distrust or cheating or a red flag or anything of the sort. Honestly, it should be a green flag because if someone wants a prenup, it means they want to protect themselves and you in the event of a breakup.
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But the thing is, there's already a prenup that the state dictates. Whatever state you're in already has a prenup for you. So do you want the state or wherever you live to decide or do you want to control your own separation if it comes to that? I'd rather control my own destiny than have a government dictate what happens. So that's really what it is. It doesn't have to be this. Oh, whatever.
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Like. There's a lot of prenups now that don't have infidelity clauses. But if you want that, you can put it in. It's a choose your own adventure.
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This is really interesting though, okay? Now that it's pointed out, I'm shocked we haven't talked about it yet. Someone goes, honestly, I started thinking it was a bit off when he found her on Instagram a few weeks after the holiday. Sounded a bit stalker slash beginning of an obsession to me, but I'm old and maybe this happens a lot. It then got worse the more I read.
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OP went on instinct when she threw him out. I think those instincts were good. Next one down, her dad owns a company too, so I wonder if he saw dollar signs as an incentive to get her pregnant. I've never had a condom break with a partner in my 55 years. Okay, so we're not like...
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Yeah. This person goes on to say, I've never had a condom break in my 55 years. Of course, I know it happens, but they had two fails timed close together. She goes and gets on the pill, but before it can work, he ditches condoms altogether and proposes the oh-so-reliable pull-out method. Yeah, he wasn't joking. And if OP marries this guy, she'd better get a prenup.
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I'd ask my dad to insist for me because this guy is the type that's only going to listen to a man.
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That's... Yeah. Ugh. So there's a lot of other comments here going down the line of, you know, maybe he tampered with the birth control. Maybe he switched pills out. Maybe he microwaved pills. I don't know. Your face on the microwave is hilarious. I don't personally know about... The truth about the microwave stuff.
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I'm absolutely floored with this one. But we do get some insight into OP. Okay. So someone goes, please, please, please do not marry him. Call off the relationship. He wants you to be barefoot and pregnant. Run. The pill is super easy to tamper with. All your ex needs to do is microwave your birth control pills for a short time and your birth control pills are completely useless.
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Again, I don't know if that's true, but OP says, I didn't know this. Wow. I never even considered him doing anything like that. I take them like clockwork. So it definitely wasn't that I missed a day or anything like that. There's a comment here that goes, I haven't seen it said yet, but you have mentioned in other comments having two trust funds, one that you got when you were 18.
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Does he know this? Think about it. If you don't have a prenup, he'll have access to that trust fund. Don't be naive. And the condom, come on. He totally baby trapped you. Wake up. And OP responds, yeah, he knows about the trust fund. He was at my brother's 18th birthday where my dad said to him not to spend all his money at once. And he asked if all of the siblings got one, which we did.
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Dude. So top comment on the second post, right? And this person is in the top 1% commenter. Odd preparation 472. So they mean business here. Okay. I agree with other commenters. Perusing a prenup seriously, which you 1000% should do anyway, will give away how much of a joke your ties together are. Prenups protect both parties.
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When you talk, I think you should ask him what his real serious issue is with a prenup, especially if it would also protect his assets in the case of a separation.
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I started getting to know her sister and her sister and I eventually had a conversation about hooking up. I was totally opposed to it, but she tricked me into believing that it's fine if we do. I'm just ready to get serious with this girl, but she blocked me, and I want her to know that I initially said no, but her sister tricked me into pretending it was okay.
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It is. And this comment goes on to say, if you are never going to separate, then why would having one even make a difference to him?
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A lot of people go on and on. I wouldn't marry him. I'm not sure I'd stay with him. He baby trapped OP knowing she wouldn't get an abortion. That should be considered rape if he was tampering with birth control methods. Did he buy condoms off Timu? Because they shouldn't break like that. Break up with him, OP. He's not a good guy.
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That's not good. So this is looking crazy. Yeah. And we do find out a bit more.
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Update. A lot of people were asking for context. When I said I wanted a prenup at the time, I wasn't being serious. Maybe I was being an asshole trying to get a reaction, but based on the three years we've been together, I would have never have imagined he would have reacted the way he did. why did the joke bother me so much? About a year ago, he lost his job. He was never really clear why.
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For the next three to four months, he didn't really do much. He said he was trying to figure out what he wanted to do next, and that was the first time he brought up having kids, indicating that he was ready. We had a candid conversation on my part about how I want kids, just not anytime soon. I enjoy my job, I had trips planned, and I wanted to be married first.
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He agreed with me that we should wait three to four years. My dad's company got a contract at the club, which is how he got the job there. But during the time he was out of work, my girls would joke that he's a stay-at-home boyfriend and that I'm the provider and he'd be a stay-at-home dad because I was paying the bills slash rent by myself, which at the time didn't bother me.
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I used to live there by myself before we got together, so it wasn't a big deal. But I guess it was them that first made me question... To be honest, I don't know how long the condoms were breaking. A lot of people are saying they've never had them break. And I can't say I remember it ever happening before. I noticed the first time that it looked like it had split.
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And then I checked it the next time that it was also broken, which is when I decided to get an IUD, which he didn't want me to. But I stood my ground and we compromised and I got on the pill.
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I know we should have continued using condoms, but he said he'd ran out and that I'm on the pill and I don't need them. In hindsight, yes, I should have insisted we still use them, but I chose not to have that battle. I thought we'd be okay. He knew my opinion on abortion and that I wouldn't get one. If I got pregnant, I would raise the baby unless it was for a medical reason.
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Money-wise, my family's successful. I work for my dad's company. I have two trust funds, one of which I got at 18. Before I fell pregnant, I was making plans to start my own house flipping business, but I decided to put that on hold. I still work from home on flexible hours, but he said once we're married, he wants me to stop working so I can focus on our kids and that he'll support us.
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But I've never really liked that idea, mainly because, although I've never had to worry about money, my parents always taught us the importance of financial stability, and my mom's always said to never be financially dependent on anyone. Plus, my fiancé's current salary, I'm not sure would cover all of our expenses.
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The only reason why I haven't told my dad is because they have a good relationship and I don't want to blow everything up over an overreaction on my part.
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I mean, let's pick apart this, like, actually what we know a little bit more. He didn't want her to get an IUD. Why? Because he can't tamper with it?
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You agreed. He doesn't support her having a career. He wants her to be tied up, trapped at home, raising kids.
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Because it's not masculine. It's weird. If you are having your life dictated by someone... That's not your life. Your partner isn't going to tell you what you can and can't do with your life. Your partner might have an opinion like, hey, honey. Yeah. You know, I think you should try to go get this other job because the other one isn't promoting you.
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You know, you want to be a stay at home mom, be a stay at home mom. I got us like you can make decisions with your partner. But if your partner is saying, no, I don't want you to work. That's not really your decision. It's weird. I would rather at this point, if I was this person, I'd rather co-parent with him than be married to him and have him try to tell me what I can and can't do.
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That's up to 10 free HelloFresh meals. Just go to HelloFresh.com slash THT10FM. Okay, update two. I, 23 female, made a post last week about a joke my fiance made at Thanksgiving while drunk. To everyone that hasn't seen my older post, he joked he got me pregnant to tie me down, and I didn't know what to make of it, so I posted on here to get some outside opinions.
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I didn't want to initially talk to my family or friends about it because they're all quite close to him, and I didn't want to make a mountain out of a molehill and cause drifts in their relationships. Yesterday we had a conversation about where I was at, but he said he couldn't go back to the hotel because they kicked him out for smoking in the room.
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He stopped smoking while I was pregnant, but he said I was stressing him out, so he had to stay at the apartment. While I was on the phone with one of my girls in the bedroom, he came in and took the phone off me and told me to come out and eat. While we were eating, he said that he understood what I said and that things need to change for us to move forward.
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He then proceeded to list all of the things I needed to do to make things better. His tone the whole conversation was just making me uneasy. Wow. Wow. My dad got to the apartment around five this morning while my fiance was still sleeping and we left. Me and my son are at my parents' house now. My fiance has been blowing up my phone since this morning.
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I sent a text to him as we were driving off saying he wasn't respecting the fact that I needed space and time to just figure everything out so he could stay in the apartment and I'll stay at my parents'. We haven't officially broken up or called the wedding off. My parents, who would have paid for it, have said that they don't care if I want to call it off, but I feel bad.
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But I just want to say thank you to everyone who replied to my original post and private messaged me. I didn't think people would care about me. I feel like every option I have is bad. The thought of being a single mom is scary. If my fiancé's behavior gets worse, that would be shit. If we cancel the wedding and cost my parents thousands of dollars, I'll feel guilty.
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And if we break up altogether, we just got a house together. We're both on the mortgage. We have joint accounts, and I've been with him since I was 19. Being without him for good is also scary.
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Someone sneakily taking your keys out of your purse so you can't leave. Someone saying, I got kicked out of the hotel. And having to stay at the apartment, he wants to keep eyes on her. He wants to keep tabs and control. He's trying to make sure she doesn't slip through his grimy little fingertips. You're not a child. You're an adult. You don't need to be watched over, controlled.
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Are here we. Here we are. Yes. Episode 199. Insane. Insane. You know what makes me think?
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This is dangerous. This escalates. And to go in to the room as she's on the phone with one of her friends, to grab the phone, hang up and say, come and eat.
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Every single thing on this is scary. And then he didn't respect the boundary of sleeping on the couch. He went into the bedroom because he felt like he was owed that. That's my bedroom. Like, it's such...
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scary behavior and it's some people might look at it and be like oh he's just sleeping in his bed no it's almost intimidating it's it just feels so threatening the answer to the whole first post everything we've heard was answered right when you texted your dad
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You know what also would be expensive? A divorce when you have to go through it with this guy.
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And guess what? You can get a prenup. And I would be very curious if he asked for alimony because the reality is why he might not want a prenup is because he might want alimony. He might look at you as a golden egg. And guess what? Even if you get a postnuptial, you cannot write in alimony arrangements in a postnup. So him being like, oh, we'll dress it later. I don't want your money.
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Yeah. I also think because she is in shock, the right person isn't going to get mad at you or penalize you for needing a little space. If you say, hey, I know you said it as a joke, but I've been shaken since. I need some space. You know, your behavior, it hasn't felt like you've respected me. I feel scared. I feel a little smothered or, you know, whatever you're feeling.
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I just need a little space. And, you know, I hope you respect that. The right person might be sad, might be scared you're going to end the relationship, but they're going to respect that. If they don't, more red flags, all the more reason to leave. There is a comment here that OP responds to, but someone goes, wow, your dad is awesome.
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The fact too, he wants a cookie. Like, oh, I just want her to know I initially said no, but you didn't keep saying no. Like what, you want a cookie because you resisted a little bit?
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That he jumped in the car immediately to drive six hours also shows how much of a douche her fiance is to be perceived by these others. Her dad was probably thinking, finally, the rose-colored glasses have fallen.
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OP, stay gone. This guy is bad news. Got you pregnant, laid down the law, hid your car keys. Don't feel bad about your parents being out of money for what they have spent. From what you told us about his latest stunt and your friend's commentary about him, trust us, they are pleased as punch that he finally revealed himself to you in terms that you can't ignore.
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I'm guessing that they've been biting their tongues, but despite their angst at your choice, chose to respect it and support it. So don't worry about the money, as they are insignificant compared to the emotional and psychological price that you would have paid by staying in this abusive relationship.
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OP responds, They said that they didn't like how we were getting so serious so fast and how he moved into my apartment. But then I got pregnant, so they didn't want to seem unsupportive.
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The parents are so incredibly smart though, because this next comment points out why. They knew that by being supportive, they wouldn't be isolated from you and therefore could help you if things went south fast. That's exactly what happened. You've got good, wise parents. Wow. Oh, I just really am so appreciative. And like, it's so hard to watch people be with bad people or the wrong people.
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But the reality is like you could be isolating them if you lay down ultimatums or like whatever, like.
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I can't even imagine. And I think there's one thing here, like, I feel bad. I feel bad my parents will have wasted money. I feel bad. But it's like, What if this escalates? What if you stay with him and it escalates and it gets to a point where it's life or death?
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Like, money can be made again. And I know, like, obviously these people are in a very privileged position. Yeah. But even if you don't have money, like, even if you're, you know, struggling financially, like, your life is more valuable than... money or wasted money or losing a deposit on a wedding or a house, like you can't replace your life.
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And might you struggle if you don't have money and you have to leave someone toxic? Yeah. That could be terrifying. Not knowing where you're going to live, potentially having to go live in a shelter to get away, to be safe. That is scary. But your life is so much more valuable. Like you only have one life to live.
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And it could get taken from you if you stay with the wrong person.
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And OP is finding a lot of support within her community. So the last update I have, which was posted three weeks after the initial post. Okay. So this was definitely not playing out one day after another. Like this, this really was a developing problem and resolution. Maybe we'll see what that is. I made a post on here about my ex-fiance and a joke he made at Thanksgiving.
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Things escalated and I decided to take our seven-month-old and leave. We've been at my parents since then. I didn't go about it the right way, leaving without telling him and the next morning, understandably, as he was confused when we weren't at home.
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Initially, I went no contact, and because he couldn't reach me, he called the police saying that he thought I was having some type of breakdown and have postpartum depression, and that he was afraid for me and our son's safety. The police alerted my parents that I'd been reported missing and asked if they had seen or heard from me.
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And we explained that I left because I felt uncomfortable in the apartment with him. So I started speaking to him again. I told him why I left, but apologized for leaving the way I did. And he also apologized for everything that's gone down. He said he'd bought stuff for me and the baby for Christmas already and wanted to give it to us, so asked if he could come to my parents' house at Christmas.
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Top comment. Why would her sister trick you? Why would you even listen to someone who's not involved in whatever weird situationship you're causing and tell you what's okay for her sister? She isn't her. And the only one you should be listening to about boundaries was the girl you were seeing. Sounds like she dodged a bullet from an uncommitted man who plays victim when he fucks up.
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It was our son's first Christmas, so despite what's going on between us, he's still his dad, and I didn't want to make him miss out. I explained all this to my parents, who agreed to let him come, and we had a good day. He brought this stuff, like he said, and he was respectful and didn't drink. It felt like how it used to. He came back the next day because he had left his wallet.
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But we talked for a while. He promised to stop drinking because that was what caused everything. Him getting drunk and saying some stupid thing without thinking. And he was all right with us postponing the wedding, saying he just missed his family. He asked if we'd come back with him, but I said I wanted to stay here. He said he understood.
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We didn't speak for a few days and he sent a care package with things he knew I liked and he wrote in the letter that since all my stuff was still at the apartment, he wanted me to have things that reminded me of home. I called him to say thank you and we FaceTimed so he could see the baby.
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I went out on New Year's Eve with some friends from high school and the day after he texted me asking if I got home all right and if I was hungover. I said I was fine, but then I realized I didn't tell him I was going out. So I asked how he knew, and he said he saw me on an Instagram story and knew it was my first time drinking since giving birth.
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He said he didn't go out and could have watched our son, but I didn't plan to go out. Originally, I was going to stay home, but my mom encouraged me to go. By the time I decided I was going, it was too short notice. He wouldn't have been able to come in time, since it is a six-hour, maybe longer drive depending on traffic. But I could have at least let him know, I guess.
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My dad and brother wanted to drive back to the apartment to get my stuff, but I couldn't. So I asked him when would be a good time for them to go.
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And he said that I didn't need to move out and that even though he thinks I'm blowing everything out of proportion, he would wait for me to get over it so we could be a family again because he needs us and that he'd stay in a hotel and I should move back in. The wedding's been canceled. My parents lost most of the deposits, which I'm going to pay them back.
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And everyone I could tell that the wedding's been canceled to, I've told. I'm not sure if he's done the same. At Christmas, my sister-in-law was complaining about the new iOS update and how annoying it was. And I hadn't updated my phone yet. So I decided to do it. And then I left my phone on the charger. When I had remembered and went to check on my phone, it had reset.
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And my ex said that his one did the same thing. This account was a burner. And I don't remember the details initially when I reinstalled Reddit, but I managed to get back in. My parents said I can stay as long as I need, but I feel like a burden. They're supposed to go away in a week, but they've canceled it, and they've lost all that money, and then the wedding money.
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So I need to figure myself out soon. A part of me thinks I'm being stupid, throwing away my family over what started as a drunk joke. But it's become more than that, and I'm just lost at the moment. But yeah, that's where I'm at. But I want to thank you all. I've had a lot of messages of people checking on me.
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I know some are probably disappointed that I haven't cut him off completely, but it's not that simple, especially with a baby. And these last few weeks, he's gone back to how he used to be. And I'm realizing that I probably have caused a lot of this by overthinking the joke.
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A torpedo coming from a nuclear submarine. A supernova of fucking.
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I don't think he's six hours away though. Oh, really? How did he know she went out? I think he's following her.
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So OP does clarify, I don't know whose Instagram he saw me on, to be honest. I haven't been able to get into my account since Christmas. It's so old, I don't even remember the login details.
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yeah well i do just want to say like i think we all know like his promises his his love bombing with gifts massages flowers you know throughout all of this like i think a lot of us can recognize that this is very toxic manipulative behavior forgetting the wallet He left it there on purpose so he had an excuse to come back and chat. Like, we all can see through this.
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But for someone who's in it, you know, we talk about this quite a bit. It, on average, takes someone seven attempts to leave an abusive relationship. And a lot of that is from promises of change. I'll stop drinking. I'll get better. I won't yell. I'll be nicer.
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God, she waited for you patiently and you fucked her sister and then tried to say, quote, Hey, she said it wasn't a big deal. Why are you mad? Does that sound right? Because that's the entire vibe I'm getting from this post. My advice, take the L, learn your lesson, apologize to the girl if she even wants that, and use your brain, not your dick next time.
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I'll wait. I'll wait. But I still think you're blowing this up out of proportion. But I'm not. These are my feelings. Yeah. If you were decent, you would just say, I respect your feelings. I'm sorry I made you feel that way. I'm going to work on things. I'm going to respect your boundary. Take all the time you need. Not, I'll wait, but you're blowing it up out of proportion.
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It is insane. We will be celebrating our four-year anniversary in February, episode 200 next week.
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No. So I really, really hope, really, really hope she looks at the comments and just figures it out. And I hope she doesn't need another attempt. I hope that the family can really support and maybe just start being honest. Like, hey, this isn't good. Because at the end of this last update, I don't feel like I'm in a good spot with it. I feel very nervous that she is going to go back.
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Well, and what's so frustrating is like, OP does recognize certain things. Like, I do think him calling the cops and feigning worry. I think she's got PPD. I'm worried about the baby.
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He wasn't worried about the baby. He wanted her to be brought back. It was a control thing. And she recognizes that in the comment here. He knew where I was. He called the police to be conniving. He's only asked to see the baby twice, lol. I'm not keeping the baby from him because people were accusing her of keeping the baby from him.
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I mean, so she gets it. She does get it. But again, is like second guessing herself. Why? I get it. But I'm like, I just want to just scoop her away. The top comment on Boru, best of Redditor updates, kind of summarizes what I'm feeling a little bit, maybe.
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This was so frustrating to read, like watching the woman in a horror movie go into the murder house, even though people are warning her not to.
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We will definitely have to watch for an update. I'm hoping OP gets even more messages and comments of support and personal stories that kind of jar things for her, but This doesn't feel great right now. So moving along. This next one, I'm pissed. This is coming from r slash relationship advice. It is titled, my 26 female boyfriend, 30 male, got me Pokemon for Christmas and I can't let it go.
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If you want answers about something that could affect another person, ask the person it affects. OP replies... I really should have handled this differently. My logic was she knows her sister well and wouldn't say her sister would be okay with something if she wasn't. I should have checked with her, though. You're right.
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Do I call it quits or work it out? For context, my boyfriend and I have been together for three years. Since I've known him, he has always loved Pokemon. Personally, I have no interest, but as his partner, I encourage his hobbies and I support him. This past Christmas, we had a few brief conversations about Christmas budgets and have mentioned to each other things we have been wanting.
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I knew Pokemon packs were at the top of his list, so I made sure to get him some. I mentioned wanting a few beauty products and a specific hoodie. Well, Christmas comes around, and to my surprise, I open my gifts. The first one was a pack of Pokemon cards. Okay, whatever. The next one was a booster box of Pokemon cards. I stop and ask him if he's joking, because this must be a joke, right?
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Well, he smirks and tells me to keep going. I open my next gift. It was another booster box of Pokemon cards. He was full of excitement while I opened my gifts. That's it. Those were my three gifts. I am not and never have been interested in Pokemon. all caps. After this, I told him I needed a moment to myself. I went to our bedroom and took a moment to gather my thoughts and lower my temper.
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When I came back to the living room, there he was on the floor, both booster packs and the pack of cards he got me were opened and sprawled across the floor. I was in shock. Not only did he get me gifts that I didn't want, but he actually got them for himself and tried to play it off.
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I've been trying to move past this as I did not want to seem ungrateful, but I just can't believe he would do something like this. Every time I tried to bring it up, he told me how expensive those booster box were and how I made him feel bad for not appreciating my gifts. Am I being ungrateful or is he just being a jerk?
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If it's like a little stocking stuffer and like a couple like box for the pack.
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A gift is like meant to be something that someone wants that that is meaningful to them. It's thoughtful. It represents them or you saw and thought of them or you knew they would enjoy it or they asked for it. A gift is not getting something for yourself and slipping it in. So you hope you get to benefit from it. It's reminding me of our friends down in Irvine.
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Who got his sweetheart a vacuum for Valentine's Day. And vacuuming was like his only chore. So he was being thoughtful in terms of like, oh, we got a Roomba. It'll help. And blah, blah, blah. Like... Yeah, but that wasn't a gift for her. She didn't need a vacuum. You took care of vacuuming.
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This is where you take the L and you keep moving on. You learn a valuable lesson.
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And I'd still love you friends in Irvine. I'm so sorry I picked on you again. But it's just like, it's, I don't understand why some people struggle so hard with gifts. And I'm looking at, you know, the price of these booster packs on Google and And I'm seeing prices from $158 to $36. I mean, there's a variety of prices, $69, depending on what booster pack he got.
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well and like the average hoodie like there's some brands yeah okay if you want designer you're gonna be crazy but like my favorite hoodie I have right now is from Abercrombie and I got it on sale for $36 and it's the best hoodie it competes with Lululemon it is such a good sweatshirt and it's comfy and soft and I just I love it and it's like he spent way more money on the stupid ass Pokemon cards
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That's not a gift for her. Don't try to brush it off as a gift for her. You didn't listen to her. You didn't respect her. You didn't get anything she wanted.
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Like after three years, you get her Pokemon cards when she said she wants this, this, and this and has no interest and never has been interested in Pokemon?
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No. I think cut your losses because also, I don't know if this is just me, I really, really appreciate how mature our writer was here.
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Hey, I just need to go to a room and I need a couple moments to myself. And they recognized that they needed to go and cool their temper and whatever.
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If I hadn't already from these Pokemon cards. If I walked out and saw my partner opened my present and was playing with them on the ground.
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Oh, just barf. Drier than the Sahara desert. Barf. There's tumbleweeds rolling down there. I'm so dry. The biggest dick.
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That clearly wasn't my gift. And you know what I would have done? Because I'm maybe crazy. I'm feeling crazy right now. I would have taken all those Pokemon cards and I would have poured water on them or put them in the oven or I would have just been like, it's my gift. I can do what I want with it. Like, fuck you. And I played Pokemon as a kid. Like, I have so many Pokemon cards.
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I don't know if he has, though, because there is one comment here. Yeah, this whole situation made me realize her sister is a bad person. I genuinely don't get how someone can do that to a person. It takes two to tango. He's absolving himself. It's almost like, God, the devil tempted me. And you know, what could I do to resist? Oh, that devil is so bad.
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But, like, I'm mad because all she wanted was a little hoodie and a couple beauty products.
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Not hard. There's no comments from OP on this one. As of right now, it's a day old. Maybe we'll get an update. I, for sure, would love one.
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We broke up. It's done. And I threw the Pokemon cards at him off the balcony.
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I don't know. It might give you the bigger ick. I already had a big one.
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Yeah. Okay. Well, let me know if I'm overreacting on this one or if it was a thoughtful, well-intentioned gift. I would like to know.
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Another one of this week's partners is Roe. There could be so many reasons you want to try a GLP-1 for your health. And if you want the fastest working GLP-1 for half the list price, Roe's got you covered. When I got told my blood levels were coming back pre-diabetic, I was terrified and I wanted to address it immediately. But it can be hard to get GLP-1s and it can be expensive.
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Roe now offers FDA-approved weight loss vials for half the list price of auto-injector pens without applying insurance or saving cards. And with the results, you can see faster. My favorite part is you can sign up online from the comfort of your home. So no commute, no waiting rooms. So if you're ready to try it for yourself, go to roe.co slash THT to see if you qualify.
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that's ro.co slash tht go to row.co slash safety for box warning and full safety information about glp-1 medications half the list price when compared to auto injector pens and when paying cash without applying insurance or savings cards okay are we ready for the coin flip oh my last but not least yes got the coin ready
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Okay. Option number one. I trapped my neighbor's cat and sent it to the local shelter. It's going to be heads. Okay.
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Option number two, which will be tails. Am I the butt face for telling my best friend I can't be her maid of honor because she's cheating on her fiance? Let the coin speak. Tails.
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Okay, again, title, am I the butt face for telling my best friend I can't be her maid of honor because she's cheating on her fiance? Title really says it all. My best friend of 12 years lives in another state and has been in a relationship with her girlfriend for five years and recently got engaged.
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They're planning to get married next year, and she asked me to be her maid of honor, which I previously said yes to. Over the last couple of months, she's been confiding in me that she has been cheating on her fiancé. And I don't mean one accidental thing. I mean having a full-blown, intentional, ongoing affair.
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I've been having many conversations on the phone with her about the situation, and she has seemed to be remorseful and knows that what she's doing is wrong and has expressed many other issues with the relationship and knows that she should break up with her. So I've been trying to help her get to the point of breaking up, which I know is hard to do when you've been with someone for so long.
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So I'm trying to have some empathy and grace for why they haven't broken up yet. However, this has been going on for so long that now we are all going to be back in our hometown for the holidays and supposed to hang out with our old high school friend group and our partners. I haven't seen my friend's fiance since knowing all of this, and I'm deeply uncomfortable with keeping this secret.
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I thought they would be broken up by now, and I didn't know I would be put in this situation. So I called my friend, and I told her that I love her and I'm here for her and know she has to deal with things in her own time, but I am not comfortable being around her and her fiancé knowing what I know.
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She got pissed the fuck off at me and basically attacked me for 45 minutes and called me a terrible friend and said that she told me those things in confidence and wouldn't have told me if she knew I felt this way. I told her that I was keeping it in confidence and that it was putting me in a shitty situation.
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And if she wanted it to continue to be in confidence, I probably shouldn't be around them together so she could deal with it in her own time. she made it pretty clear that she never actually intended to break up with her fiancé and still plans to marry her and never tell her about this affair.
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I'm quite shocked because I thought this whole time that there was not going to be a wedding and that she knew what she was doing would end the relationship.
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Now it's clear that she has wanted me to just keep her secret and be the maid of honor in her wedding and is convinced there's nothing wrong with what she's doing as long as her fiance never finds out and she breaks it off with the person she's been seeing and they move on and are happy. This is so, so wrong to me and I can't be a part of it.
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She thinks I'm being a bad friend and this may be the end of a 12 year friendship. Am I the butt face though?
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Yeah, yeah. We're six years deep. But it's just very surreal and it's exciting. I mean, this year is going to be a really good year, but I don't know. I'm kind of in a weird headspace. Even though there's so much exciting stuff on the pod, LA has been obviously in a really... Yeah. Or maybe you're somewhere across the globe and dealing with a tough time.
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You can't. And... I think like this could have gone maybe a little differently if, you know, as OP went to the front and was like, Hey, I know you need time to deal with this and it's not easy and whatever, but I just can't be around you. You know, I don't want to accidentally slip up. I, I just can't lie to her face, you know, whatever.
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That was so respectable because, you know, should she have told this other person, you know, the fiance a while ago, maybe, but like, If you have a friend that's like, I'm going to break up, I'm going to break up. I just need time, you know, whatever. Like you think they are going to do the right thing. And it's probably not her place.
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So for then her to say that and be met with, fuck you, you're a bad friend. I never would have told you this if I knew you felt this way. How did you know I was going to feel? You didn't. And you still chose to tell me. I could have gotten her right away. You still chose to tell me.
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Like, I just think it's unfair to even like start passing the blame on your friend because you're having an affair and you don't want to get caught. And so now I just like, I can't even like, I can't even devil's advocate logic myself to the point that she's at.
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He is giving me a good distraction because I'm actually just mad at how dumb he is.
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So moving along. On to story number two. This is coming from Am I the Asshole? Am I the asshole for kicking my boyfriend's mom out of my house? I, 25 female, have been with my boyfriend for three years now. A few months ago, his mom came to the U.S. from India and has been spending the last few months in the home we got together.
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No. You just got to move on. And I honestly, if you're already at a point where you're okay losing this friendship, definitely tell this other person because they deserve to know. They really do. OP is getting a lot of support in the comments. So, so much support. And I love a lot of people sharing personal stories.
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Someone says here, I ended a friendship of seven years because my ex best friend was cheating on two guys at the same time. Prior to that, she hurt another guy by cheating on him, then taking his virginity after cheating on him. Yeah. Yeah. I would tell the fiance the truth because they shouldn't get trapped in a marriage with a cheating liar. OP replies, thank you for sharing this experience.
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Another person shares their experience, not the butt face. Your friend is not who you thought they were. Of course you're uncomfortable. She is asking you to act immorally and lie to everyone to continue to see them as a couple, smile, laugh, chat to the fiance, all while you know she's getting stabbed in the back by your friend.
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Plus you're supposed to stand by her for her wedding as a maid of honor. What honor? There is no honor in your friend or her relationship. Your friend is not struggling with her conscience. She's only sharing with you to allay her guilt. She is not so over that she is now trying to make out that you're the immoral person. Yep.
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Think very carefully if you want to continue to be friends with this type of poisonous person. Think carefully. And is supposed to live and honor her fiance? You see what she is doing there. What kind of friend do you think she really is to you? And OP has a very good response of, this is a really perceptive response and I appreciate it so much.
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It really is shocking that she's just not the person I thought she was. And when I told her I couldn't lie for her, she had the nerve to say she wasn't asking me to lie as if acting like everything is fine and hanging out with them as a couple isn't lying. I don't really know how I can trust or respect her as a friend after this.
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You can't. There's a couple other comments from OP. Just kind of adding more context based on questions. One is, I don't really know my friend's fiance. I don't even have her number. Unfortunately, we don't have any mutual friends. I've only met the fiance a handful of times and don't know anyone in her inner circle as they live in another state.
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It all started when I kept finding her rummaging through my clothes on multiple occasions. I don't work from home and she doesn't have a job. Then I started to notice my clothes go missing and I noticed she was slowly throwing my clothes away. I don't make a lot, so it was really upsetting to me to see my clothes in the trash. That's when I put two and two together.
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Which I think, again, kind of points to why this friend did confide in her. Like, she's disconnected. She can't tell my fiancé. I'm in the clear.
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Yeah, I'm not refusing to tell. I was just under the impression that the breakup was imminent based on the conversations I had been having with my friend up until now. So this is a bit of a shocker. Thank you. It's very disorienting. This last comment I have from OP is really kind of icky. Someone asked, could your friend and fiancé be swingers? Edit, do they have an open relationship?
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You might want to say to your friend that you are not comfortable listening to the open relationship info. And OP goes, no, it is fully an affair. The other person is not consenting or aware.
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Tell her. Tell her. Because I think you answered it very clear in your comments. You don't know how you can respect someone like this going forward. Quite frankly, you can't. So good riddance, goodbye. Off to bigger and better things.
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Well, that was an emotional rollercoaster of crazy people. Crazy people.
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I don't even know what I'm going to title this one. I need help. It's going to be shocking when you guys do see the title when it gets posted. I'm scared. But thank you guys so, so, so much for being here. Again, episode 199. How? How? We have read hundreds and hundreds of stories at this point. And hundreds more on Patreon. I'm kind of at a loss.
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It's like the second episode of the year and I'm like... I think you could say thousands.
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I have read thousands of stories. It's, it's truly incredible. And I'm so thankful for all of you. I was talking to someone today because we did a tarot card reading for our group T and someone was going through kind of a tough career, you know, change. And our lovely reader, Martina gave this great analogy of like ponds and how like you might outgrow your pond. And,
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We had a lot of really good cards pulled today for people. And a lot of it kind of related to me and someone was... They were struggling to get into grad school and feeling discouraged by that. And I was like, but don't. I didn't get into the grad school program I really wanted in Minnesota. I got into one here in Los Angeles. And I took a chance. And I went.
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And if I wouldn't have done that, I would not... be in the life I am. It would be so vastly different. I wouldn't have my amazing fiance. I wouldn't have the friendships I have. I wouldn't have this podcast and this community and this amazing life because of it. Like it would be so different.
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Really, I've been reflecting on it all day today, just how grateful I am for all of this and how much I love all of you guys and making this a reality, making this life a thing, having this show. It's so fun getting to read stories every week and just pick apart all these crazy relationship dilemmas or asshole comments. I mean, it's just surreal.
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After that, I confronted her and asked her to please stop. She claimed the clothes were too revealing for someone who will be a part of her family. They are Lululemon athletic clothes I wear to the gym. I told her I can wear what I want, but that I will refrain from wearing the clothes in front of her. She stopped throwing the clothes out for a while, but then started up again.
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And this time she actually started cutting them apart and throwing them out. I had had enough and got her a hotel room and put all of her stuff in there when her and my boyfriend were out one day. Now she's going back to India and my boyfriend is saying he's going to break up with me because I disrespected his mom. He asked me to move out. We both pay half of the rent right now.
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And I just feel a little guilty. I know it is disrespectful in Indian culture, but am I the asshole?
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One pair of leggings right now, like one pair of a basic pair of leggings from Lululemon is $100. No. Do you know how much work that is for someone? Someone making $15 an hour. Do you know how many hours they have to work for one pair of leggings? And she's cutting them up because you're not going to wear that. It's disrespectful to me. Oh, my eyes. My eyes. How dare you wear leggings?
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Because you have a boyfriend who's saying he's going to break up with you because you disrespected his mom.
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Go home with your mom and have your mom find your wife for you. If you're so worried about what your mom thinks and you're going to let your mom dictate what your partner is wearing, let your mom find your bride.
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They probably could share one brain cell between the three of them. They don't sound like they're operating on much.
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This is a preview of also what you would get if you did stay with him.
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My mom doesn't like what we're putting our kids in. My mom doesn't like how we're raising our kids. My mom doesn't want us to do this. My mom, you know, your wedding dress, you can't wear that wedding dress. It's too revealing. No daughter-in-law of hers would have that dress.
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Yeah. And, you know, could there have been a little bit more mature of a response? I mean, it is very passive-aggressive. But, like, I fully understand the mom is being straight up insane and aggressive and crossing boundaries and being disrespectful. And I'm sure there's, like, technically you could probably sue for damages and... You can sue for whatever you want. Whatever.
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You know, her totally disregarding and destroying your personal property. Like, there's obviously something there. But, like, to gather their stuff when she was out for the day and just put it in a hotel room and then, like... I don't know. It's ballsy. I appreciate it.
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It's ballsy because that's almost more intense and difficult to do than having a conversation beforehand and being like, hey, you need to leave. You're not respecting my space. To have to be like, hey, here's a hotel key. You're out. Your stuff is already gone. That is like very... Because then you know she has to go. Takes a strong will. Well, and it's like, hey, your shit's gone.
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Like there's nothing to fight about. There's no pack in the bags. It's already gone.
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I don't hate it. But that's the one thing that I think someone could be like, you could have had a more mature conversation.
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But also, I don't know if it necessarily even matters because clearly the mom is immature. The mom is disrespectful. You don't need to meet someone with respect when they're only showing you disrespect. Yeah. You can meet them at that same level they're at and putting the shit in the hotel room might have been meeting at her level.