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I didn't feel like we had enough time for her to be not afraid when she's... We're not toward strangers.

Yeah.

So one of the things that's, I think, important to realize is that the problems that ICWA was intended to address didn't stop happening that long ago.

I remember it vividly.

Endless lobbying, congressional hearings, until finally— The Indian Child Welfare Act is passed by Congress in 1978.

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Shannon Jones.

You know, if your parents are U.S.

citizen, you're automatically a citizen.

If your parents are Cherokee citizen, you're not automatically a citizen.

About to.

Hi, how are you?

She would stay with Dustin Brown, her biological father, end of story.

I've been thinking about that.

It's a possible indication of where future Indian law cases are going to go.

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