Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer
Appearances
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Well, let me give a little bit of background context. Please. Being a lieutenant colonel is a bit of a misnomer. That was a part of my cover that happened during a time I was outed by DIA. I'm in something called the Military Intelligence Accepted Career Program, MISEP. We go back and forth between being civilians. I'm also a retired GS-14. You can look it up.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
This is unclassified, but I'm just saying. So what happened was, Pat, is that when I came back from Afghanistan – After I disclosed my role in the Able Danger operation, I was immediately suspended by Defense Intelligence. Over nonsense.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
The Defense Intelligence Agency. This was in the beginning of 2004.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Who called the shot? It was Major General, I'll think of his name in a second. And he was a Marine Corps general. I'll think of it in a second. Two-star general. Two-star general. He was the DO, the Director of Operations. And at the time, the director was Admiral Jacoby. And, um, when I got suspended, I had some time on my hands because nobody knew what was going on.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
There was three nonsensical allegations, which by the way, the army resolved in my favor. And I got promoted to Lieutenant Colonel. You don't get promoted if you have standing at potential adverse actions over you. So the army saw him. It's like, Congratulations, you're being promoted.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Defense intelligence used the three same allegations to suspend my clearance and get me fired, just saying how wacky that is. And think about that from a business perspective. You're looking at facts, and Army says, yeah, this is nonsense. Defense intelligence, who I have the issue with, suspend me and fire me. over the same allegations. Think about that.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
We can go through them in greater detail at some point.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
So... Zelikow... You mean Zelikow. Zelikow... who had met with me in Afghanistan. Philip Zelikow? Philip Zelikow. And who is he? He is the staff director of the 9-11 Commission. Kurt mentioned him earlier. So when I was undercover, again, this is a bit complicated.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
When I was undercover in alias in Afghanistan being the director of operations for the clandestine operations in Afghanistan in 2003, it's when Zelikow came through Bagram, and he was part of the 9-11 Commission. He and several staffers came through, and their task, this is the 9-11 Commission task, was to do research on events before, the day of, and after the 9-11 attacks.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
They basically wanted to talk to people with firsthand, anecdotal information. So I raised my hand. It's like, hey, they've probably already heard of this, but I want to talk about Able Danger. And this was October of 2003. And so what I'm going to tell you now is what I told them.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Able Danger was an entrepreneurial concept that was created for the purposes of targeting a non-geographic target, al-Qaeda. You had Eric Prince on a year ago. Eric's concepts, and I love Eric. I consider us friends. I hope so. He believes in entrepreneurial concepts. We did that internally. We were trying to figure out the best and brightest way to go after Al Qaeda, in 1999.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
It actually is a PMC model. It is a private military contract. I've talked to him about it. So what we did is that as a reservist, I know you're going to laugh at this, as a major, I was down in Tampa and the DIA rep, Al Downs, said, Go talk. This is a major reservist going to brief the commanding general, Pete Schoonmaker, on my civilian mission. Pete Schoonmaker. Pete Schoonmaker.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
General Pete Schoonmaker was commander of Special Operations Command in 1999 to 2000. There he is. So imagine, if you will, when people have a hard time wrapping their mind around this, a little old reservist major goes in to brief the commanding general of SOCOM on what I do in my civilian DIA job. Out of that meeting, Pat, General Schoonmaker says, I get him read into Able Danger.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
And I had no idea what that was. So the next day, I think this was August of 1999, I'm brought down into a secure – yeah, you guys have your thing in a bank vault. Well, SCIFs are like bank vaults. They're secure facilities within secure facilities. I go down, and I'm introduced to Captain Scott Philpott, who's a lieutenant commander, and I'm given this big old binder.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
The binder's about five inches thick. He says, there you go. And I start reading it. Scott. Scott Philpott. And I start reading it. And it is like the e-ticket to Disneyland. We're going downtown to go after Al Qaeda. This is a sweet. This is a concept to go and conduct offensive, offensive operations against the growing threat. Remember, you talked about the value judgment of what you invest in.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
We'd already been hit twice in Africa from al-Qaeda. And there was a recognition that that was a growing threat. So secretly, General Hugh Shelton, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, you can bring him up. Hugh Shelton was chairman of the Joint Chiefs in 99, had tasked Pete Schoonmaker with Able Danger. Able Danger was a... a campaign plan. You're a business guy, so you guys do campaigns, right?
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Late 99. So it has nothing to do with 9-11. No. Well, it gets there. Let me get you there. So able danger was the offensive concept off the books. Remember, you see in the movies all the time, the euphemism of off the books. We were off the books operation.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
No, no, no. I'll get to Eric. I'll get to Eric. Eric had no idea. As a matter of fact, he's never been in Reddit and everything we did. So I'm right into the project, and my job is to develop access for purposes of weaponized technology. Again, think offensively. This is before 9-11, and we're tasked to go kill al-Qaeda before 9-11.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Think about the... Now, this is the problem with the whole thing we're talking about.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Bingo. Yes. This is why they want to distract with the chart constantly, Pat. We... This is why they were upset with me testifying. You remember the Israeli op, the pager op, Pat? Of course. They weren't the first ones to think about that. Just saying. I have to be careful about where I'm going because I'm still trying to get permission from the Pentagon to talk about my role.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
My role in Able Danger, to this day... It's never been disclosed. I've been said to be the coordinator. I've been a reservist. My role was so highly classified, he probably remembers this, I was waived in closed hearings with Kurt. I was waived off by the staff director of the House Armed Services Committee because I couldn't talk about my role.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
He was literally in the back of the room saying, don't say that. You can't say that. So to this day, we have never talked about, and I'm still trying to get permission to talk about it. Anyway, suffice it to say, that what I was doing in my civilian job was what we wanted to introduce to the Able Danger Operation as one of the offensive options. And this is the key.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
This wasn't about waiting until something happened. This was about us, Pete Schumacher, putting together a team, the best and the brightest, to put together options for the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Hugh Shelton, to go do something before 9-11. And that was the whole project. That was the concept. The idea was, Pat, we knew they were coming.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
We put together a team that would be invested in doing things that have never been done before. And oh, by the way, how do you target something that's never been targeted? How do you do something relating to a non-geographic target, a transnational target? Data mining. At the time, nobody knew about it. Remember, this is before anybody understood the power of the internet.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
So when I'm tasked to help them figure out how do we go about targeting all the ranch, Pete Schumacher called it the ranch, the Special Operations Command ranch. That includes the Secret Army of Northern Virginia, Delta, you know, Rangers. It's the options that were available for us to do something.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
And, oh, by the way, the other thing key about this, this was – Able Danger was the first time Special Operations Command was ever the supported SYNC. This is important because that means they were the lead. They were the ones asking the other regional syncs to help them. It was huge. This was groundbreaking.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
That's it. So I got this task, and it's like, what do I do? I knew Lewa was experimenting with data mining. And I'll let Eric Tocque take over here because we had no way to map al-Qaeda. So this is a long way to answering your question, I know, Pat, but— You need to understand the picture of what got us into the room.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
The Senate. So DOD leadership, Army leadership said you can't go in.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
That morning. You can pull up pictures of the hearing. I'm in uniform standing right next to the charts. Right. If you if you if you bring up if you Google able danger Senate hearing 2005, it should come up with a number of time life pictures that show all of us together where I'm in the back row next to J.D. Smith, who's going to become. Yeah, here we go. Right there. See, I'm right there.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
I see you. There's Russ Caso, there's Kurt, there's J.D. Smith, and I think you're there somewhere, right? I'm heading behind one of the maps. So we were going to lay out, everything I'm laying out to you right now, we were going to lay out in great detail. So this is where, to answer your question,
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
What I was going to do is build a case of why—and by the way, Pat, one key thing to remember, we weren't supposed to find what we found. We were off the books. We were looking at al-Qaeda from a fresh perspective. None of us were experts on this issue.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
I would argue that we became a dangling participle, an inconvenient organization that saw what the deep state was doing, and that's why they came after us.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
No, no. No. Let me explain.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
I think wise people understood what was forming because we were told by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs to go look at this. And one of the notable things about this, now, full disclosure, I know President Trump. I was a national security adviser to the Trump 2020 campaign. So I do have, you know, and I did meet him way later in 20, I think, 15.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
But I think he had a sense, like many of us, that something was brewing. And to continue your point to answer your question. When I was the coordinator of trying to pull the team together behind the scenes, I took the ABLE Danger Team to land information warfare activity at Fort Belvoir, Virginia. And that's where Eric comes into it.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
They were doing an extraordinary job of, again, look at the time frame, 98, 99, 2000. Pat, nobody knew the power of big data. And so we were the first operational unit to actually use a combination of open source, closed source. Part of my job was to actually combine the top secret piece. One of my deputies, Theresa McSwain, Lieutenant Colonel McSwain,
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
brought the NSA database down to Garland, Texas, to combine them together to do this overall targeting, to basically combine things. This was a major effort.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
And again, before I let Eric, one second, before I turn it over to Eric, remember, we're talking about a massive investment of resources, as you as a businessman would recognize as a priority, yet somehow they reduced it down to a map of a chart they couldn't find to dismiss everything we did. because they were so desperate to focus on one thing and push us away.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Which is not true. There was no violation.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
No. I think it may exist.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Well, can I add something real quick? Yeah. We had a person that was actually monitoring global movement of individuals of interest via mosques, all the mosques, Alejandra Mogulina.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
And the DOD interviewed her and then basically proceeded to not ask her a single question about what we're about to talk about. Eric was provided via Orion Scientific as the source. detailed data about individuals moving between mosques. So it wasn't simply big data. It was the fact that we were targeting down to the mosque level, which makes it hugely controversial.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
You and I can agree that the whole issue... Pat, there's a bigger story here.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
I knew who they were. I was down there several times. Let me explain. So we were under SOCOM. We were using the Army. Eric can explain. The Army wanted to pull out, by the way. The Army did not like the fact we were using their technology for our operations. Why not? Why wouldn't they? Because, well, you want to explain that?
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
We weren't intelligence. I know this is going to sound weird. We were doing our effort under Title 10. Title 10 is known as traditional military activity. That's why I went to CURT as harm services, not intelligence, to ask for money for the Navy.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
So my point, I'm trying to underscore what Kurt is saying, we were – an operational unit that was designed to go do something. We weren't an intelligence unit. Although we were intelligence officers, we were doing operations. It's called J-3 versus J-2. And that was one of the controversial points because we didn't recognize the limits on U.S. citizens because we didn't have to.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Traditional military activities, Title X, is what George Washington did during the Continental Army, what they did. And so that was one of the controversial points. But the bottom line is, Kurt funded the advanced technology that we, SOCOM, figured out how to get and use. That technology then, used by Eric, put together the series of charts, which then became the basis for the plans we were using.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Are those the charts? Those are some of the charts, yes.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
By the way, he was one of the individuals that the IG, the DODIG, refused to interview. You're a guy that has to make investments. If you have someone who is a principal actor in a company... who has a major role, wouldn't you go and interview them before anything else to figure out what's going on? Lambert was the chief of operations, and they refused.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
They DODIG during the time that he asked them to investigate our claims. They refused to talk to Lambert. The whole thing's a cover. To this day.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
We knew where the cells were at. Right. We knew where they physically were hanging out. And where were those cells? There were different clusters. One was New York, one was Maryland, and the other one was Florida, as I recall. And they were all clustered. We had individuals linked to the al-Qaeda leadership.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
New Jersey. New Jersey. New Jersey. New York.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Yeah.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Let me add something to the picture that I can't talk about in detail yet. There's three things I'm trying to get declassified by the Pentagon right now. My specific role in Able Danger relating to what we're talking about. I still can't talk about it, believe it or not.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
The other thing is there's an investigative organization that's run by DOD that has found the link you're talking about here to the CIA guys. And I'll let them speak for themselves. But they're working right now to get approval to come public on what they have. And I've talked to their senior investigator, and he has said they have confirmed the link between Al-Madar has whatever his name is.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
I'm terrible with names. to the CIA.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
I think it's a clue. I think it's a clue. These people don't do this stuff without a reason.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
It's both. It could be both.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
It's not mutually exclusive. It could be both. It could be true, a clue.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Don Rumsfeld said that.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
So let me add something to that comment. But that wasn't a Gilmore Commission. Those are two separate things.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
January of 2001, the options for us to go after al-Qaeda is briefed to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Hugh Shelton. That is to say, the culmination of our work is briefed to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs. We are directed to stand down in January, right as Bush, the Bush team comes in. When Bush comes in, the Able Danger Project is stood down.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
When I came back from Afghanistan, I want to talk about able danger. I was immediately suspended. And so what I'm going to tell you now is what I told them.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Let me ask you a question before I give you the five things. Why would you stand down a cutting-edge black special operations unit in January of 2001, right before you know there are threats from that very target located within the United States? Why would you do that? Who is you? The inbound Bush administration, Bush 43. Why would the Bush administration...
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
In January of 2001, as they're coming into office, stop, because there's evidence, because of the, basically, what, I'll answer your question, but I want to make sure we get this into the conversation. When, what's his name, went to the National Archives and took stuff out in his socks,
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
When Sandy Berger went into the National Archives, he stole a bunch of things, put it in his underwear and his socks.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
He stole five documents. One of those documents was regarding the existence of Able Danger.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
I don't believe that.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Again, why would you not want to have a full investigation of this?
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
I'm not saying that's not relevant.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
I'm saying, though, that when you're briefed on a capability that clearly Condoleezza Rice and others said, oh, we knew something was coming a little bit. You know, they were all these memos. And that's a mystery we've asked to be told, too, because we were stood down. We were trying to say, as Kurt indicated, something's happening. We need to be on top of this.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Captain Scott Philpott was calling me constantly to go around his chain so we could reactivate this. I had a clandestine location there. In Old Town, Alexandria, he actually called me one time and says, can we use your clandestine location to springboard and get this going again? It's like, yeah, if you can do it. So why did they? We don't know.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
I've got the five things for you. I think there's five likely events. We'll go through them one by one. First is... Government incompetence. They were completely just, nobody knew what the hell they were doing. Keystone cops all the way. And the 9-11 report is correct. That's one presumption. It's like, yeah, it's exactly like they said it. John Layman wrote the narrative. Everything is accurate.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Competence is, I think, a factor, no doubt.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Okay, a controlled operation that went wrong. Okay.
PBD Podcast
"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
There is allegations, we've talked about them today, that at least two of the individuals were under control of CIA, that the FBI was also involved in some level because a guy named Anwar al-Awlaki, my friend Catherine Herridge is reporting on him, Anwar al-Awlaki was a controlled asset of the FBI who actually moved two of the 9-11 hijackers around, who later was assassinated as a U.S.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
citizen by Barack Obama in Yemen, he and his son. Anwar al-Awlaki, there he is. He was, I would argue, I don't want to get off track here, but Anwar al-Awlaki actually lectured at the Pentagon in 2004 because he was brought in for, but he was actually handling two of the 9-11 individuals. He actually gave them a tour. He was out of there. Based on that, there could have been an aspect of the U.S.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
government controlling individuals and them getting out of control. There's a movie called The Siege, which kind of covers this, if you remember that, with Bruce Willis and Denzel Washington. I was once told by a Pentagon official, by the way, in a random moment that, oh, that would never happen, which was a strange moment to look back on at this point.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Three is, basically, that's omission. By omission, they just didn't control it. Comission. I think more severe would be then the government kind of knew this was going to happen. They allowed these people to go into place. They didn't adequately provide full-time surveillance.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
And they basically allowed the 9-11 attack to happen with the theory that they were going to try to stop it at the last second. And they were unable.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
I'll be blunt. I think we've talked about the profit motives of a number of individuals. I don't believe for a minute the deep state is a single entity. I think George Carlin once said you don't have to be organized if you have people that feel the same way about things. And if you had a sufficient critical mass of individuals, neocons – I'm not a neocon for the record.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
I'm a Reagan guy, and I've fought most of my life against neocons – I think the neocons, both parties, by the way, this would explain the Clinton-Bush connection, would allow essentially some level of event to happen. You mentioned it earlier, Pat, about the roadmap. You brought up the article about the roadmap. That would be the roadmap, that they kind of let this happen.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
And then the last option, the fifth option, is full-blown, the government was behind it and planned it. Those are the five options as I see them.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Well, I think another government cooperated in most of these.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
I don't think they were developed sufficiently to see us as an adversary in a focused way in the late 90s.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
And my dear friend, late Congressman Walter Jones got that declassified. Walter passed it all back. There was a finding... that we haven't talked about. In parallel to what we're talking about here, Pat, was a finding, Alex Station, CIA had a finding to assassinate bin Laden. We weren't part of that, by the way. We were completely independent.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
As a matter of fact, when I was first read into the Special Operations Command concept, I was asked to go brief the CIA representative to Special Operations Command, a guy named Dave Rolfe. Dave Rolfe I write him into the project, and he confirmed the existence of Alex Station and the finding.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
And the reason I briefed him into it, CIA, is because we didn't want to have them think that we were trying to go after bin Laden. So what was going on at the same time we were doing Able Danger was the CIA finding Alex Station. That's out there. There's a couple of books on it. What I'm saying is that they actually were targeting bin Laden directly, CIA was, outside of what we were doing.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
And within the context of what you just said, the Saudi Arabians were helping support bin Laden. As a matter of fact, one of the assassination attempts was stopped because one of the Saudi royal family was falcon hunting with bin Laden, apparently in Afghanistan.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
And at the time that they were getting ready to use an armed predator to take him out, they recognized at the very last minute that one of the Saudi royal family members, the chief of the Saudi intelligence, was with bin Laden. I think this was in 1999.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Alex Station.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
By the way, on a different note, the Federal Reserve is often – I used to consult with the Federal Reserve's intelligence folks. And, yes, they have an intelligence program. And moving whole plane loads of cash is not an uncommon thing for the Federal Reserve, just saying. It's a common occurrence.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Well, I've never seen this before, but it seems like I came up with a couple of the options. You've never seen this before? I've never seen this before, no. And it seems like some of the things I mentioned to you track with what he's saying. I've never seen this. I had no idea this existed.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
No.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
It's Marxism. It's Trotsky. If you look back at their roots, it goes back to Irvin... What's his name? Oh my goodness. I'm having a senior moment.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Well, that's how I get past senior moments. Oh, my God. Anyway, it's a form.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
No, no. Irving, his son is a big neocon now. He's one of the... Crystal, Crystal. Crystal. Irving Crystal. Okay. Irving Crystal, Bill's dad. created the neocon movement out of essentially a Trotskyite concept of using a combination... Yeah, there you go. It's a combination of... Collectivism, concept of collectivism, and chaos.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
That's why Stalin had Trotsky killed, because Stalin did not like the idea that some guy was running around there using essentially communism as a method of insinuating chaos. The chaos, they believe, philosophically, will allow for them to gain control. The chaos, they believe, gives them some level of global control. That goes back to Stalin.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Nothing wrong with finding out.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Yeah, I'm joining.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
Thank you. I'm looking forward to that. Thank you, sir. I'm looking forward to that.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
I'm retired Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer. I'm a senior intelligence officer slash retired spy with a great deal of information regarding my 30-plus years of operational experience plus 9-11 issues relating to able danger. I wrote a book, Operation Dark Heart, New York Times bestseller. I'm the National Security Advisor for the Trump 2020 campaign.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
I'm an elected official in North Carolina as a county commissioner. So reach out to me via Manect. If you have questions, I'm happy to try to give you answers that will help you. Look forward to talking to you.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
The DOD overall.
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"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586
It wasn't just DI, but we can cover that in a bit.