Logan Graham
Appearances
The Journal.
What's the Worst AI Can Do? This Team Is Finding Out.
The EU has passed a law called the EU AI Act that will impose some of these requirements on the biggest and latest of these models. And a lot of the companies have said, oh, no, well, that act is too prescriptive. So, you know, companies obviously are always going to be a little ambivalent about regulating them.
The Journal.
What's the Worst AI Can Do? This Team Is Finding Out.
Their concern is, will they be ready in time? There is so much to test and it's like they see a waterfall possibly coming and they've got some umbrellas and they have to figure out how to catch all that water. We don't really yet know what we're going to do about this stuff. It is the kind of thing that's like coming up fast and maybe it's not a problem, right? But if it is, are we ready for it?
The Journal.
What's the Worst AI Can Do? This Team Is Finding Out.
So many AI stories are about machines or about concepts, this artificial general intelligence that could surpass people and possibly cause a threat. But it's really hard because they're also speculative. And so I wanted to find some actual people doing some actual things with their actual fingers and, you know, and tell the story through them.
The Journal.
What's the Worst AI Can Do? This Team Is Finding Out.
The team, it's pretty small. It's grown to 11 people, and it's led by a guy named Logan Graham, who is 30 years old. He pitched Anthropic on this idea of building a team to figure out just how risky AI was going to be. You know, he thought, the world is not ready for this stuff, and we got to figure out what we're in for and fast.
The Journal.
What's the Worst AI Can Do? This Team Is Finding Out.
Artificial intelligence. This could be it, Bruce. This could be the key to creating Ultron.
The Journal.
What's the Worst AI Can Do? This Team Is Finding Out.
A singular consciousness that spawned an entire race of machines. We don't know who struck first, us or them. This is a story as old as humans have been telling stories. It's a creation that escapes from our control. You know, it's a golem. It's a thing that we make that then turns on us. It's a Frankenstein, or it's Frankenstein's monster, I should say.
The Journal.
What's the Worst AI Can Do? This Team Is Finding Out.
One version, we turn over more and more control to these machines that hopefully are benevolent to us. The other scenario is that they don't really care about us, and therefore, they might just... Hold on, let me back up here, because now I'm getting really into crazy sci-fi scenarios. LAUGHTER
The Journal.
What's the Worst AI Can Do? This Team Is Finding Out.
Surprise! Company says that its product is safe.
The Journal.
What's the Worst AI Can Do? This Team Is Finding Out.
Yeah, I mean, put it that way, it doesn't sound great. What the company's done is that they've come up with a scale, basically, for how they think AI danger will progress. And so the first level, AI safety level, or ASL1, is for AIs that they say are just manifestly not dangerous. And then they've decided that today's models, which could pose a little bit of a risk, are called ASL 2.
The Journal.
What's the Worst AI Can Do? This Team Is Finding Out.
And then the next step, the one that they're looking for currently, is ASL 3. And they've been refining their definition of what that could mean. Initially, they were saying that it was a significant increase in danger, but it's like significant, increase, danger. How do you define all of those words? And so they've added new criteria to that definition.
The Journal.
What's the Worst AI Can Do? This Team Is Finding Out.
They just added that in October to make it a little bit more specific. And, you know, 4 is when there's a real significant increase. They haven't really defined what that would be, ASL 4, yet.
The Journal.
What's the Worst AI Can Do? This Team Is Finding Out.
I mean, yeah, there are people who say, you know, the incentives here aren't perfect, that, you know, there's a race going on. And if these companies are grading their own homework, I mean, that's a Right now, we haven't had the tough call, right? But like what happens when there's a decision you have to make that is going to cost these companies money, right? Right. Like that's a tough one.
The Journal.
What's the Worst AI Can Do? This Team Is Finding Out.
And I think, you know, until it comes, it's like you don't know how a company is going to react. You know, these people who do testing say they believe that this is all in good faith. But like it hasn't really been tested yet.