Lloyd Auerbach
Appearances
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
I'm Lloyd Auerbach. I'm a parapsychologist. I focus on education as well as field investigation. And I've been in the field of parapsychology for well over 40 years at this point.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
President of the Ryan Research Center's Board of Directors and President of the Forever Family Foundation.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
So this took place back in the mid-1980s. It's actually kind of toward the end of a time period when John F. Kennedy University here in the San Francisco Bay Area had a graduate parapsychology program and I was on faculty. So we got a call at the department from a woman. She and her husband had moved in a few months before to an 80-year-old home in Marin County.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
It was one of two homes originally built 80 years before by two Scottish immigrant brothers. The other one was up the street from them. Sue, the woman in the couple. So it was Sue and her husband, and they had two little kids, three and four years old. Sue noticed a small girl about five or six years old who had appeared in the house.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
She was there playing with the boys and asked who she was, and she disappeared for the first time in front of her. But she kept coming back. And playing with the boys, more importantly, following Sue around like Sue was her mother or something to a point where Sue said that on occasion she would follow her upstairs through the kitchen, hang out with her in the kitchen, never really talk.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
So she would respond, but not verbally. and even followed her at one point when she was taking the boys shopping into the car on the driveway, but disappeared from the back of the car as she drove away from the house.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
The husband was not seeing the girl, but he was taking this all in stride because the boys saw her, Sue saw her.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
Yeah, the first time I was there was with two of my grad students. Nothing had ever shown up at the place as haunted. At one point, Sue went looking around the house just in case in the attic, anything she could find that might have been left over from the original owners. And she happened to find some photographs, some old photographs of two little girls from decades before on a swing set.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
And one of them, the younger one, looked like the little girl who was being seen. What? So Sue thought that perhaps this was the deceased daughter, one of the deceased daughters of the original owners of their house.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
We did find out that the family living up the street from them in the other original home area It was actually the grandson apparently of one of the original brothers, the one who built that house up the street. So at my suggestion, she went up the street and talked to the grandsons of that family, showed them the pictures, pointed to the little girl, told her, told them about the ghost.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
And the guy says, well, no, it can't be her. She's upstairs. That's my cousin. She's upstairs. She's, she's, in home hospice care. She has terminal cancer. She has a caregiver up there and she's upstairs. So Sue came down, back down to her house, called me and we arranged for her to go up and meet the woman who was in home hospice care. She took the boy, Sue took her two sons with her.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
When she walked in the room, she waited to make sure that the home caregiver, that nurse actually said she is awake because apparently the woman was in and out of consciousness. She was not constantly awake. She was in pain. So she was on painkillers and she was in and out of consciousness. So they waited for a time that she was awake and clear.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
And they basically just walked in when she was awake. The woman looked up and said, oh, you're that nice lady from down the street. And she said hello to the two young boys by name. She called them by their first names. So Sue gets real curious, like, how do you know this? And she said, well, I dream about you. I dream that I'm still a little girl in my childhood home. And I go down and visit.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
And you look just like my mother. Now, this is a really interesting thing. Sue had found pictures of the mother, the wife of the guy who built the house. And there was a really strong resemblance to Sue. I mean, they could have been sisters, if not almost twins. So this continued in a couple of different ways. Sue and the kids had sort of established a relationship with the woman.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
And the apparition of the woman when she was a young girl, a little girl, would still appear down the street. One thing that happened, though, changed. Because Sue called me at one point and said, she's appeared as an adult. She looks like she's in real pain. I said, you need to call the nurse and find out what's going on because obviously something is happening.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
And so Sue calls the nurse and said, the nurse says, well, we changed your pain medication. And Sue just thinking on her feet said, tell them to change it back. She's obviously in a lot of pain or at least ask her. And she was in a lot of pain. So after apparently the medication was changed back, the little girl starts appearing again.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
the woman's still going in and out of consciousness, sleeping, waking up, talking about dreaming about the kids, all of that stuff. And I was able to speak to the nurse and get kind of a log book, a chronology of when she was unconscious and when Sue saw the apparition. And it was always when the woman was asleep or unconscious in some way. So it was never when she was awake.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
So she was dreaming about it and apparently going out of body and appearing that way. Though at one point, Sue did hear from the family that it looked like she was towards the end of her life. So Sue actually said something to the little girl, which was, you need to save your energy for yourself. Not come out and see us all the time.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
In the meantime, I just mentioned that they had been up there many times. And again, the woman did say, say that she was dreaming about this. So eventually, Sue, like I said, told her to put her energy together. She went up there and made sure that was clear to her when she was awake as well. And at that point, the little girl's ghost disappeared shortly after she found out that she had died.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
She never came back again. She did not appear after she had actually physically passed away.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
Well, I think bilocation would be the closest term you could use. We have a long history in parapsychology, psychical research back to the 19th century of what are called apparitions of the living. Many of those seem to connect to people having an out-of-body experience, whether in a dream or spontaneously otherwise.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
And on occasion, it's when it's someone who has learned to do out-of-body work and travel somewhere and they have a conscious experience with someone that's there. So that's the closest we can come to this. The other category of living apparitions would happen when somebody is in physical trauma, is in an accident or severe illness, and they appear
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
looking like they're in pain or distress to a loved one, it seems to be some sort of projection as opposed to an actual travel out of body.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
I would expect, however, if someone did have that part of their consciousness that actually left, that there wouldn't be necessarily any sort of... symptoms of Alzheimer's because the brain is not getting in the way at that point.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
There are those cases of death, that visions where, you know, people who are dying, see you see an apparition in hospice and they have Alzheimer's, but they suddenly have hyperlucid moments. They come out of that state. I mean, in my work with when she was, she passed away of cancer in 2011, I talked to her husband, a couple of her students were there as well.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
And she had been heavily sedated because she was in extreme pain. She woke up. contrary to what the doctor said she could possibly do. She woke up, had a conversation with her husband and the students and her parents who were deceased, who were there. The hospice worker witnessed all of this. Then she said, okay, it's time for me to go. And she slipped back into unconsciousness and passed away.
The Telepathy Tapes
Talk Tracks Ep 5: Unbound: When Consciousness Travels Beyond the Body
So there was nothing physical in her body that would allow her to suppress the sedation at that point.