Lisa Rinna

You guys, that, you know how long ago that was? Let's not talk about it.

Guys, that was like 35 years ago.

Yes. Yes. Insane. I know. I mean, we all grew up watching it. I watched it with my mom. So imagine growing up watching it and then getting a role on the show. It was like I'd won an Oscar. I swear to God. How old were you? I was 25.

You know, I never thought of it that way, but you're right. I mean, and you're in people's homes every single day. So it's like, well, I think, you know, housewives kind of became that in a way, but nothing is like that because it's every single day, five days a week. And so the audience just really feels like they know you. I mean, there's no fan like a soap fan. Yeah.

Okay.

Oh, fabulous.

I actually know that you do that.

Oh, well. What comes up for me right away is people telling me to act my age and grow up. Grow up. Watching a dance video of mine where I'm clearly being, you know, ridiculous and stupid. Grow up. Okay, so my question to you is, How old do you have to be in order to be grown up?

And I love that about you. Thank you. It's true. I mean, that's gone, long gone. I think when I turned 50, the give a fuck meter went out the window, to be honest. I just didn't care at all. And I still get myself in a great amount of trouble, but I still don't care. I really don't. I'm like, what's the worst thing that can happen to me? I mean, that's the way I look at it.

It's like, I've already been through so much Fuck it. I'm just going to have a good time. And if you don't like it, then don't follow me. I mean, I'm not putting a gun to your head to watch my content. That's what makes me laugh. I'm like, okay, so you actually don't follow me, but you're still here watching, telling me to grow up.

They love to hate. Oh, I've never thought of it like that. Does that give them a hit of dopamine? Oh, a hundred percent.

I love that. You know, you're absolutely right. And you know, it's ironic. I find that let's say I were to see that person in person and say, hi, they would be like, Oh my God, I love you so much. Or even if I respond to them and clap back for a second, they love it. They're like, Oh my God, you noticed me. They just want attention. God love them, you know, negative or, or positive like a toddler.

Well, both, it was my idea to leave first and then they didn't stop me. You know what I mean? Like no one said, Oh, please don't go. So to me that, Tells you that it's time to go because I said I'm leaving. That's it. I think they show my email at the end of one of the beginning of one of the new seasons saying, you know, that after the reunion, I came home and and now I look back on it.

I was going to say goodbye on the reunion. I was actually going to announce it on the reunion. And then I chickened out. And so once I got home, I sent the email.

Well, I think it's both. But I also think that's kind of our issue as women, you know, in general, like, we don't get 100% positivity, we're always fighting stereotypes.

Right. And that is, like, typical And, you know, it's hard to do that because I mean, to do a show like that, because you're at the mercy of the edit. You know, people people really saw probably 20 percent of who I am and who all the women are. You don't really see us. Other than how we are edited, really, you know what I mean? And it serves the story well.

It's much easier to build a character that way, whether you're a good girl, a villain, however they want to do it. Listen, we all have all those sides to us. It would be easy to make me really nice and it's easy to make me a real bitch, which they've done. They did all of that on the show in eight years.

Had it.

I don't know if it would turn me on. I think it's cute and sweet. I don't think, I don't love tattoos. I have no tattoos and I'm not a big tattoo chick. You know what I mean? So I, no, I'm not, I'm not gonna, I mean, maybe I'll give him a blow job, but I mean, just for the effort, right?

Oh. It's a tough one. It's hard. Yeah, because, you know, I have history there. But I'm going to say both. Can I do both? Yeah, of course. Both. So you went to the Playboy Mansion? Yeah, they had a party at the mansion for me when I did my first Playboy Pregnant with Delilah. And I had only just had her six weeks earlier. So I was a fucking mess. I was like a mess.

So I barely remember it going to the Playboy Mansion, like totally postpartum. Like, how insane is that?

Not very much anymore. I certainly don't watch any housewives shows. I think once you do it, you, that's it, honey, you're done. I don't watch any of that, but I do watch a couple reality shows every once in a while. I do.

Yeah, I know. And it's frustrating. That's what's really frustrating, I think, because that's what everybody does nowadays. I mean, if you look at your TikTok or your Instagram, like it's an edited version of us. It's not it's not completely authentic.

Hate it? No. Had it? Never.

Five years they're divorced. I've always said that. I've always said we will never do a vowel renewal because if you do, your marriage is over. Period.

Yes, I would have to agree. And if that ever happens, if anyone ever sees Harry and myself do that, please take me out back and shoot me. Like right away.

Performative bullshit. And I literally worked with women. for eight years that literally it, I mean, no one's together anymore over there. Harry and I are like the last couple standing. So I watched it all play out in eight years, what you're talking about.

No, I didn't know that. So you worked for Alex Baskin too.

I think it's the dumbest thing ever and I've had it.

And what comes up in my head is Handmaid's Tale. Yes. Exactly. Rapidly heading back to.

Well, I've had it with that bullshit. Had it. It's all bullshit. You know, it's total bullshit. And what's scary about it, though, is he's probably going to be the first person to be a trillionaire. Think about that.

I know.

They're going to. My guess is there will be a total abortion ban in the next couple months. I mean, they've said it. So they are going to do everything that they said they would do.

And why the fuck was Mike Pence there? He's a pussy. Are you kidding me? Because he's a pussy. That's why. I mean, fucking pussy. I am sorry. But that really surprised me. And but yet it didn't. Exactly.

But you're right. Look at these women that said, fuck you.

It's not happening and we will never go kiss that fucking ring ever.

I'm sorry, but listen, I'm so disgusted just in the last day. of seeing who has turned. Just if you open up your Instagram, it's fucking disgusting. I will always be there for my gays and for my trans family. I mean, somebody has to stand up for these people. That's right. And women.

And women. Yeah. I mean, come on. Why aren't we revolting in the streets? Because He's going to come after you. He's going to tie you up in the courts, like who knows what. But people are scared and we have to let them know that that's how we've always had and kept our freedom. You have to fight. We have to fight now.

It is so fucking embarrassing. Those guys are like fucking little nerdy wimps who were always, you know, no woman would ever give them the time of day. And all of a sudden, this fucking orange Cheeto fucking whatever, like we could go on and on. They go and sit and kiss the ring. How fucking embarrassing is that? How humiliating is that?

And saying you're an alpha male and saying that you're... tough and cool means you're probably not. And you're probably gay. You know what I mean? You're probably fucking gay and you're just a homophobic. Yeah. Oh, I'm going to get so much trouble. Jeffrey, my publicist is probably like, Oh my God, fucking Jesus. I said, if you're going to put me on podcasts, like get ready because I'm,

You know, I stopped doing podcasts when I was on the show on Housewives because I got myself into so much trouble. It just wasn't worth it. So I haven't done podcasts since 2017. Lisa, here's the thing.

You know, I don't either. I don't either. I'm with you. I, I will never, ever kiss that ring. No, I know that ring. I've worked with that. Those people I've been in the same room with all of them. They're all fake and they're all atheists. Yeah, I said it.

That's right. That's right. That's fucking right. Lisa, thank you so much for coming on. It's a pleasure. It was really fun. Thank you. Hopefully I'll see you again.

It's a great franchise. I take my hat off to them. I love Salt Lake. I love those girls. They're good.

I can't pick one. I like them all very much.

I love Lisa Barlow. I love Lisa Barlow. I love Meredith too.

I do. I love them all. Listen, they do a really great job.

That's the year I didn't watch it, but I hear she was... I'll go back and watch it.

I hear she was everything and more. I bet you they'd bring her back.

I'm so excited. I'm so excited.

Oh, I think it's pretty obvious. I mean... Erica.

Erica, Dorit, and Kyle.

Um... I would like to film with that boss. I like, I like her from what I've, I haven't watched a show since I left.

Not one second, except for clips.

So I can't really speak on what the show's about other than I have heard the girls love her.

They love her.

So I would want to work with her and then the rest I wouldn't need to work with.

I know a little bit because I hear it's just all about Dorit and PK and Kyle and Dorit fighting.

Yeah, please. Okay. I'm like, I was expecting it. I was hoping it. Listen, I get messy every freaking podcast that I do.

I heard that.

PK and Kyle have always had a very funny sense of humor type of relationship. Now I understand if they're breaking up, if Dorit and PK are breaking up, it's maybe not the most opportune time to be So I understand that, but they've always done that.

From the day one that PK came around, I feel like.

And, you know, I will say Dorit and Kyle were really close. So no matter what the dialogue is about that,

No.

I can say from my own, they were closer than anybody.

They were closer than me and Erica.

For sure.

I mean, that's my opinion and my take on it. Yeah, well. And that's that.

Again, I'm not watching them much. Once you leave shows like this.

You just don't. You just can't watch it.

It's too much. So I would say through the grapevine, I hear that they want to fix New York.

They fixed it. But then what? Tell me why it didn't work the second year, because I thought the first year everyone was so excited about all of them.

I stopped.

Okay, why? Because evidently when they changed it, everyone was so excited.

Well, that happens.

Well, you know, it has to be authentic.

The viewers are very, very savvy now. They're very smart.

And if they smell authenticity... No. If they smell being inauthentic, no bueno.

They know. They know. So now I understand why it wouldn't work. Because also I think what happens is people start to protect their brands. They're like, shit, if I get too messy, it's going to make my brand suffer. And that's a catch-22 of this show right there. Like you want messy. And you want people like that. But then again, you get on for long enough...

You're like, I don't want that in my life. I don't want it to ruin my marriage. But oops, I guess that already happened, right? Like, look at how it plays out. And I understand what would make you go, hold on, wait a second. I don't want to bloat my life like that. So I see the conundrum that's happening.

We had so much fun. We really did.

Well, of course. And you can understand that.

You're a branding, you know, genius. You really are.

I can say it. I mean, you are a hustler.

It's true. And I think that you would be the same. You're like, wait a minute. What if I lose X amount of dollars because I'm being messy over here? It's a conundrum.

We had a blast. And that was a really nice job. I mean, like a nice job.

I did. You know, I talked to Harry about it a lot. He was like my therapist throughout the whole thing, I swear to God. And, you know, I have a thing about injustice.

Growing up, there's something about injustice that I just, like, that burns me. It really gets me. And so I think maybe one of the reasons why I held people accountable is if I didn't, it would feel unjust. Like, it feels like people are getting away with something. And that's not okay. That's where I come from, I think, and why I would do it.

It's who I am even off the show, I will say.

Yeah, I think that why it really, it freaked me out first and foremost.

I was rattled. It freaked me out. And I just didn't feel that it was something that she should get away with, that she's gotten away with her whole life.

I was like, no, I'm not going to. Make this go away. It happened.

We are supposed to tell the stories of what happens. Now, there were not cameras there. That's clear. Yeah. But we were still on a trip.

It still happened.

And we're working. Yes, we are. And I got her out of that club to help her.

And so it blew up in a way. And if I were to do it over, I just stayed in the fucking club and danced. Right. And let her do her thing on her own. Right. I, my intention was to help her and protect her. Right. Because she was in public.

Walmart, here we come. I loved it.

In the house, not in the club. Right. In the club, she was doing other things to other people. Right. And I think we all agreed. Now, listen, everyone's been very careful about this. But I think we all agreed that she needed to go. Yeah. And I was willing because I was ready to go.

I was willing to take her back. And so I did.

Ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-fucking-ching. And the Black Friday deals. So good. And I was a vampire.

You know I think Kyle's in just a very tricky situation. Yeah. To be honest with you. I think that. in a way she was really happy that I spoke up because she's experienced her whole life. Right. But it's a really tricky situation. So yeah, that was very, very unfortunate. But, you know, the way I look at it, everything happens for a reason.

And it must have happened because, again, I could have stayed in the club and just been like, I mean, Kyle was like, I'm not taking her home.

I mean, that's the truth.

And Crystal was supposed to come with us. This is really interesting. But she couldn't get her coat in time. You had to check your coats. Right. And she was going to come and she ended up staying because it was taking too long to get her coat.

So everything happened for a reason. And I, again, just had to own it. And it happened. And there you go.

Well, you know, the good news is that I have been able to talk to Kathy and we've been able to move forward from it. And that's the best part.

Well, I would say we are on good terms because we addressed it. You know, do you think that I reached out to her just so you know? And she's told the story. I reached out to her because I was like, life is too short. I want to move on. I don't want to carry baggage. I never want to carry it.

I mean.

Which is a great part of the show, I think.

I mean, again, I never liked conflict. So yes, I do think I learned a lot in that, in those eight years. I mean, eight years is a long time. It's a long time to do anything.

So yes, I learned good habits and I learned bad habits for sure.

Yeah.

You have really had me go there. I went there with you.

I'm impressed. Because, you know, I don't usually like to talk about housewives. You don't. I get myself in trouble every time I do, but this feels authentic. It feels right. I feel like I'm just being very honest, and we're having an honest conversation, and I'm okay with it right now.

Until people fucking drag me. You know, whatever.

Truly. And in our first episode, which aired today. Congratulations. Thank you. We just did an interview for E and the guy had listened to it and he said, you know, I found it fascinating because you talked about Housewives, that I talked about Housewives. And he said, I'd never heard it from you like that.

So that I think is going to be the beauty of Harry and I Being able to open up and be honest in a sense. I mean, you only really saw like maybe 30% of me on Housewives.

Maybe 20.

It is. And I think that I... I was really missing being able to express myself freely without an edit.

Wait, I have aloe socks on.

You know, cause at the end of the day, you're still on a television show that they edit.

And there's eight other people or however many, and you don't have a lot of time to, express yourself in who you really are. Right. So that's what I'm really learning. And I'm, and I'm loving it. I'm really liking being able to speak for myself. I mean, it's going to blow up in my face. I'm sure.

Hi.

That's right. Yeah. That's right.

It's so true. So in a way, it's kind of scary. It is scary because I think Harry and I have been able to keep it kind of at bay for 32 years. I mean, you know us, but you don't really know what we do and what it's like. You don't really.

Hello. Yay. Hello.

And we've been able to keep a nice arm's length. We can't do that anymore.

We're talking on a podcast. So that's going to be interesting.

There was, we called it Franken editing where I was in the car and they had me say something because they weren't on my mouth and I didn't say it in that moment. They took it from somewhere else.

I was like, wait a second. where'd that come from? Right. Because I did not say that in that moment.

I mentioned it at some point, but by that time, it doesn't matter. It's airing.

So you're fucking out of luck. You know what I mean?

I knew that it was good real estate.

I knew Bravo was very good real estate. And I went in wanting that and knowing that. Eyes wide open.

Oh, it got, it got very difficult toward the end because of social media and because of, in the beginning we wrote blogs.

We wrote a blog. You'd have to watch the show and you'd write a blog about it. Right. That's a, that's a long time ago. Then it became social media. And everybody got really comfortable behind their computers saying anything. And by the end, it was, well, I said this the other day somewhere, and I forget where I was because I've talked way too much lately.

No, they would never allow me. They wouldn't let me.

I said, you know, truly the fans were the ones that ran me off that show. It wasn't Bravo. It wasn't the girls. It was the fan base got, they villainized me in a way that I just didn't want to live like that anymore. And that is the truth. So whether you want me back or not, you know, I get a lot of that. They, the fan base has to know that it's because of them that I left the show.

And that's something that I don't think they want to take responsibility for. Right. You know, that's the truth. I left because the fan base turned on me and listen, the fan base turns on everybody after a while. But this was a way that I was like, life's too short. Not going to do this anymore. It was too much.

Well, the truth is, it didn't happen until I left Housewives.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, you know, I lost my mom. And then to go through that after losing my mom was just too much for a human to handle. For me, it was.

It was too much. You know, everybody was very supportive. It was time. The timing was I needed to go. It was too painful for me.

I love you. I do. I adore you. I think you're so special. I really do. You know, I do. I don't know. Maybe we had a past life together.

And that's just the truth. I always look at the kids over here.

Because we had this connection.

I don't know. We had, we have a connection of some kind that is just really special.

Oh, me too. And hopefully, I think, I mean, I always get so nervous at these things, but at this point, fuck it.

You have a podcast. I do. I do. And I'm just going to talk about everything. And you know what? You're just good. People are going to have to get used to it.

Yes. And I do like that. Yeah, I do. It's fun.

I do. I always look over here. That's the truth. The minute I left the show, that opportunity presented itself. I left the show. The announcement was January 6th, 2022, I think it was. And I got a call from my publicist. It sounds so Hollywood, but it is. You are Hollywood. It is. So my publicist called and he was a new publicist.

Have you had fun?

It's a job. You have to show up. That's why when somebody doesn't show up, it's unprofessional.

It's just unprofessional because we're all showing up. Everyone's lives are falling apart. I mean, I'll never forget when Erica's life was literally falling apart in front of her eyes.

She showed up. Every day?

Every single day?

My hat is off to her. I just saw her in Chicago on Broadway.

She's amazing. She's the best thing. She's just the best thing in the whole show. She really fucking nails it. I was like a proud mother watching her. And it's the second time I've seen her. But the way she has overcome and really risen from the ashes is pretty remarkable.

Amazing. Like, truly amazing. Very strong.

Yes. Most of them.

I think I was the only one that wasn't.

Oh, they all were unfair to her. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely unfair. But look at her now.

Look at her now.

So I'd gone with him in November and he called and he said, do you think you could go to Paris in four days for the Kenzo show? I was like, yes. And that's how it began.

you know, people had come to me to do a podcast since I was on housewives or had asked if I wanted to do one. And I never wanted to do one at the time because I felt everyone was doing a podcast, you know, that was on a housewife show. And I just didn't feel that that would have been something I should do. So I didn't ever want to do one to be honest.

It has. And it's been so fun. I just keep saying yes to it. Yes, yes, yes. And they ask. They keep asking. Thank goodness. And I'm just having the time of my life. I really am.

And then they came to me, my agents came to me and said, do you want to do one right during COVID? And I was like, no, I don't want to do anything during COVID, but everyone's trying to make money. No, no, no. So I said no a couple of times. And then I don't know what clicked in me. And I said, what if I did one with Harry? What about that?

To me, that felt interesting. Like that could be fun. And it just took off from there. That's literally it.

Yeah, we are so far. I think we've done seven. Yeah. We have seven in the can.

We put in the work. Yeah, we have seven in the can.

Oh, it's totally different. I think I was born to have a mic in front of me.

I think so because I love that mic and ours is the kind of mic that you pull towards you. Oh, I love it. Oh my God. I just, I don't know what it is, but I think I had another, like a radio personality or a life as a radio host or something because it feels very natural. I don't know.

I think I was born myself.

I think I was too. But I like this kind of mic rather than, you know, the lobs that they put on you. There's something about having this. That's it. Because I'm a control freak. I am a control freak. Yes, I am. That's what it is. Yeah. Well, that's why you're successful. Oh, my God. Yeah, but it's painful.

Oh, yeah. Trust me. Oh.

I did it one time on Days of Our Lives. Let's take it back.

Days of Our Lives. And this, I'm still very young. We're shooting outside, which we don't normally do. Very once in a while, you shoot outside on this little location set. I have a lav on. You don't normally have a lav on soaps. There's a mic right above you.

It is so... I can't tell you as a mother what it's like to get to sit front row and watch her. I know. It's mind blowing. It really is. When I saw her this last time at the Jean Paul Gaultier show, it's funny because she didn't know I was wearing the blonde wig. I wore a blonde wig for this show and I hadn't told her. So in a way it might've been good.

So I wasn't used to it at this point. And I remember, I don't know what I said because it was too long ago, but I remember the producers either in my ear or coming down, somebody said to me, you have a mic on and you just said such and such about somebody. And you have to know that you have a mic on. And I was like, I'll never forget it.

From that day on, I don't think I ever, ever, I probably did somewhere along the line, but I was very hypersensitive because I was only like 20, I think I was 28 at the time. Right. So that set a hook in me to be so fucking careful. Like I've never had a Lisa Barlow moment on that mic. Oh!

That was diabolical. No, man. That was diabolical. So thank you to Days of Our Lives for burning me at the time that it happened so that I was never, I always know when I'm, I miked, I miked, or if I talk, I'll be like this so you can't really hear.

I'm sure you just want to go like this. Like you really want to just not say anything, but if you had to.

it up so that they can't hear you so like you and you and Eileen kind of came in and you both like knew what was good with like filming and stuff well maybe subconsciously because we're actors but yeah like I'll never forget Eileen wanted to get the show on the road so like if nothing was happening because these girls sometimes can sit for three hours and just talk and nothing and we're talking about like yoga and smoothies and

And Eileen and I would look at each other like, are you fucking kidding me? And she would be like, okay, what needs to be done? Okay, boom. So you just did, you said this and this about somebody. That's what I loved about Eileen. She made it move quickly.

And, you know, the seasoned girls, after a while, they know how to do that.

Eileen knew it right out of the gate.

She wanted to go home. She was great. She was like, I don't want to stay here for three hours. Right. I want to go see Vince Van Patten.

You know? I'd rather hang out with him.

So I do miss her for that.

But then I, of course, started to do that because I was like, are you kidding me? Get me the fuck out of here.

I really want to try it. His new one came out, the vodka sauce. He's now got two. I'll send them over.

I will send you over both sauces right away.

You're getting it. I'm going to send a box. Oh my God. You're going to get both. I'll give you three of the marinara or the bolognese and three of the vodka. I mean, he's a chef. He's a good chef. He is, thank God. Otherwise, I'd starve to death. Or I'd be just postmating forever. Or Erewhon. I know. That's all I eat is Erewhon.

And postmates. Little postmates. Mostly Erewhon. But, I mean, I would literally starve if it weren't for Harry.

The new favorite is sausage penne with kale.

It is so good, and now we add the vodka sauce on top of it. I'm having that for dinner tonight. He's making that for Valentine's Day.

So, you like the Justin Bieber at Il Paseo.

It's so...

Yeah, because it puts olive oil and garlic. Yes. But now I add the vodka sauce on top. It's to fucking die for. I need it. We'll get him maybe to come over and make it.

She said she was looking for me, but obviously she didn't know I was in the blonde wig. So maybe that's a better thing. I don't know. Cause I don't know. I get nervous when my parents would be in the audience. Do you?

I'll send you some. I will make sure that you get some of this.

It's really good.

Okay.

Okay, good.

All right. Sorry to interrupt you.

Okay, good. Good. You should not be scared.

Okay, so go back to Riddle Me This.

Well, my mom said I came out that way.

You know, I was, I grew up an only child. I have a half sister, but she was 12 years older and we didn't grow up together. So I came out that way. I wanted all the attention. My mom said I was like Sarah Bernhardt, which is a very old 1920s actress. The old, not your audience is not going to know who that is. Google it guys.

Sarah Bernhardt. Um, so I think I was destined to do it. I came out that way and I lived in Medford, Oregon. I don't know how I got out, but I got out and I somehow made my way to Los Angeles and I had no help. My family's not in the business and I just fucking did it because I was just driven.

Well, I think it was days of our lives. Yeah, it really was to play the character of Billy. I, they'd been auditioning people for a long time and they said that they saw 211 people. And when I first went in, I had long hair. And when I got a call back, I cut my hair off. And you're not supposed to do that. You know, if you go in, you're supposed to then go in the same way after.

And I was just at a point in my life where I was like, fuck it. And I cut all my hair off. And I really think that that gave me the confidence to And the drive to get that role. That was the turning point, getting Billy Reid.

Three years.

After like a movie of the week and then I did Melrose Place.

I've heard of this. Back in the day, they used to do these movies of the week. And they're like a TV movie.

And I did a movie with Rob Estes before I did Melrose with him.

Highlight. To work with Heather Locklear and that whole group of actors. So much fun. It was the time of my life. It really was. I loved Melrose Place.

It puts a little spin on it.

You have to.

You have to. You know that because I know you work hard.

I mean, I've been in this business now for 35 years. I don't think I've ever not worked hard. I think that that's what this business entails. You know, how do you have longevity? You have to keep... working and reinventing yourself. And, and I think finding the joy, you know, finding the joy and being curious, I think has really been two things that have propelled me.

Then I'm okay with that.

Like you just like, I can tell you exactly when I was able 18 years ago to do Chicago. I played Roxy and Harry played Billy Flynn and we did Chicago on Broadway together. And to stand on that stage was by far with my husband, the highlight of my career to this day.

I actually don't. And let me tell you why. Because I'm still friends with the girls that I connected with. Okay. And so I don't feel like I'm completely, you know, out of it. Even though I am completely out of it, I get to see the girls that I love. Erica, Dorit, Kyle. And Teddy. So that's the truth.

I would, of course.

piss that much anymore. I think I did all that on Housewives.

You know what I mean?

I don't get that. Injustice makes me angry.

Unkind people make me angry. What are you pissed about? What are you there?

That's more of a, that's not. It's inconvenience. Okay, so but you're not pissed about it. You're just kind of like.

Can't you have somebody come here and do it?

All right.

This is funny to me. When you get older, you won't give a shit. No, I know. I know. You'll be like, whatever.

I mean, I get agitated.

I get really agitated. That word resonates better than pissed.

Like stupid people. Yeah. People that are stupid. People that don't pick up the ball. People that are not as quick as I am. I mean, it just agitates the shit out of me.

What would you call that?

There's got to be a name for that. But I need to look in the DSM-5 to see what that is.

So you're not stepping into yourself. You're afraid.

Yes.

Well, it's something to work on because at least you know it.

That's half of it. You know it. Right. So you just can change that quickly. If you're unaware of it, you're aware of it.

Oh my God. Now I'm on the spot. What am I watching?

Severance.

Not quite.

I forget because I've traveled so much. Harry just got caught up on the first season. He wasn't caught up. So now I'm into the second, but I don't know where I am. Probably only the first. So don't say anything.

I had to stick with the first like eight episodes.

I kept being like, I'm not sure, I'm not sure. You know what else I love? Slow horses. And that's another one you have to really stick with. I couldn't.

It's so good.

If you can really hang in there, it's one of the greatest things. But I almost couldn't.

I love it. But it took six or seven episodes.

And I just kept going back. I just kept going back. Then it clicks and it's fucking brilliant.

Oh my God. But you really, really, really. have to, because it's smart.

And it goes right over my head.

And I have to like go over it 5,000 times to go, oh, that's what's happening.

The acting is so brilliant. They're so smart.

You know what I just started last night?

I've only seen the first episode and like a teeny weeny bit of the second and then I turned it off because it's so good and I was like, I'm going to save it. Supposedly it's based on a true story. Right. And it's about someone who allegedly fakes her cancer diagnosis and then becomes really good friends with somebody who actually does have cancer.

And it is bone chilling. It's like, Oh my God. So I highly recommend it. It's very well done. It has a beautiful way it's shot. It has a sense of humor about it. I know that's hard to say when you're dealing with something.

Yeah, I mean, it's really always awkward because it is a reality show. It is not scripted. We are really living that in a heightened reality. You know, it's heightened and it's always really, really uncomfortable. And it's really funny because I'm a person. It's hard to believe. I know. that doesn't like conflict. I do not like conflict.

I mean, it's a very deep subject and a very tough subject, but there's something about this show that, Pulled me in instantly. What a great little actress. I mean, unbelievable.

Yeah.

I didn't even know this was her. It took me a minute because she's got an Australian accent.

In the show.

Do you know how hard it is to do an Australian accent?

It's almost impossible. That's why I kept saying, is that her? No, it's not. Is that her? That's a brilliant actor right there.

Totally thrown by her.

She's so good on every level. I mean, I've always thought she was good, but this?

I've seen everything.

My favorite film. That was my favorite. I think it should win best film. Me too! Me too. Me too. I am such a film buff. And, you know, Harry's a member of the Academy, so he gets all the films.

So I watch everything. That should be best picture. Just my opinion.

It's brilliant.

I mean, I can't say enough about it. It blew me away. And there's some really good films.

You know, Amelia Perez loved it.

Loved it.

I loved it.

Loved it. It's so different. Okay. I think it's fabulous. I think it's sad what's happening. There's a lot of really horrible stuff that's around it. And I'm sad about that because it's a really great, great film.

Great film.

They're all really good. I mean, I have my favorites. I think that Timothee Chalamet, I just think he's delicious. I know.

I think he's the cutest thing ever. And if I saw him in person, he would probably want to run because I would probably come at him because he's just so cute. You want to squeeze him. I know. He's so good. I mean, that's a hard to play Bob Dylan.

He's such a good actor. Yeah. The... The Brutalist.

Oh, Jake, we got to get you going here.

It is about the Brutalist architectural, I can't even speak. The Brutalist, what's the word? The architecture of the 30s was called Brutalist. Okay. That's what brutalist means, but it's about many things in the middle of all that. It's three hours and 20 minutes. You got to be ready.

You got to be ready.

It's beautifully done. It's beautifully shot. Adrian Brody is brilliant. He will win the Oscar, I think.

Yes, but I can't tell. So I don't know. I don't know. There's so much controversy now. It's a shame.

Just in general.

My God, when I grew up and there was no phone and there was no social media in a way, it was so brilliant. We didn't even have an answering machine. You know, like if they got you on the phone at home, they got you. If they didn't, they didn't.

No, the world is very, very different with the phone and the social media of it all. It's completely different.

Yeah, and things are manufactured. There's so much propaganda and misinformation.

How do you know, especially a young person, how do you know what's real or not?

That's what's scary.

It's terrifying, and everyone should be terrified of that.

To be honest.

I hate it.

I mean, like, how do you know when you're scrolling TikTok?

What's real and what's not?

And that's what that show's about.

So you have to figure it out. And when I first started the show, I had, you know, I'm an actor. So I hadn't done anything quite like that. And so, I mean, I'd done some reality, but not that. Yeah. And so I had a producer, Chris Collins, say this to me. And this is what really, I think, made me the housewife that I was. You can blame it on him. He said to me, came over for a meeting at the house.

Wow, I can't.

It's hard to remember because there was eight years of favorite moments, but I'm going to go back to the Provence wine tasting.

That to me was my favorite moment.

And we were, it's so funny. Kyle is so good at impressions. And just to watch that again and be there, we laughed so hard. That was pure joy. That's my favorite moment.

It was so funny. It really was really good TV, I think.

So, I mean, and my mom was there. I'll never forget it.

I mean, that was so fucking surreal. Yeah, imagine your mom is sitting there watching all of this and she's like 90. It was so funny. I mean, it's so funny. She got the biggest kick. She thought we were so fucking stupid and just so like, like just got a kick out of us. You know what I mean?

Like not fucking stupid, but she just would like shake her head at us and she just got such a kick out of us being dramatic and dumb.

To her, she was just like.

Yeah.

Okay, that was really funny. Okay, I forgot about that. In my bare feet. Yeah, you're running. You're like, what is happening? And she just leaves. Oh, my God. The Twilight Zone. I go, this is like the Twilight Zone.

You have to remind me that was funny.

And she stops.

Oh, I know. I remember that. They wanted something to happen. She made that happen. She made that happen. Who, Lisa? Brandy.

They knew something needed to happen. If you look at it, it's just a little tap. Yeah. I remember that. They were like, you guys better make something happen.

Yeah.

A little bit.

To just realize.

It makes me nervous a little bit.

Yeah. It's a good thing she asked.

Self-awareness is half of it.

You know, they come and they like look at your house and they ask you about your life. And he said, this is what you need to do. You need to think out loud.

Why did she need a plan B?

Yeah, why not?

Why not? I don't think she did anything wrong. I'll go with you on that.

That's never happened to me either. Cheers. I just usually have a drink in my hand.

I actually don't think you do. I think it changes the relationship once you know that. I'm not sure.

It just changes everything. Not that it's bad. It's just all of a sudden your relationship is completely different.

Yeah. You always want to know now rather than later in everything. Right.

I'm a mom. It's hard to ask me that question. I'm a mom. You answer that. I don't know. Maybe like Cabo or Key West. Yeah, I was going to say like a Florida thing.

Okay, I can't sign up for that.

Think about that for a second.

Which is actually a great movie.

Dear Jake, my name is Hank. We already know that. I don't know how to come out to my strict Catholic parents. What should I do? I recently got engaged to my boyfriend, and they have no idea, but I want to invite them to the wedding. Oh, shit. Oh, fuck. Well, I think that you need to do it now. Right. You've got to do it. If you're engaged and getting married, Hank, you've got to do it.

Think out loud. At first I was like. Okay. But if you really think about that and if you think out loud, that can be devastating to people.

Hank's got to do it.

This is a lot right here in this. This is a lot.

Let's send him love. Lots of love and support and just know that you're loved no matter what. I think that is so important because that's really tough.

Oh, that's good.

Very good advice. I wouldn't know to say that.

Wow. I agree. I agree with that.

Oh, I see. So the boyfriend and the brother are going to move in.

She wants to move in with the brother or the boyfriend? She wants to move in with the boyfriend.

Yeah. I mean, why would you want to? Yeah. That's a hard one. Just.

Should we look into that? Should we look into that, though?

Maybe we need to look into that.

To be laughed, not to laugh.

Yeah.

Let them talk.

Oh, I love that.

People are talking. Let them talk.

Very little, but I like her. I mean, she's a good artist, but I don't. No, I don't.

Because if you're saying what you're really thinking and that's what they want on that show. And if you do, I mean, you're a good housewife, but you also get killed. You know what I mean? Like, cause it's hard to do that and be still friends with people.

Madonna.

Disco. I listen to everything. I just saw Sunset Boulevard. I need to see it. Oh my God, it's so brilliant.

So I'm listening to the Andrew Lloyd Webber soundtrack. It's so good.

That's during the show. That is after intermission, right after intermission. And when we were there, it was snowing. So usually I guess he walks out into Times Square and he couldn't because it was snowing. So he just walked out a little bit and then came back in. The show is brilliant. I've never seen anything quite like it.

And Nicole is, it's one of the greatest performances I've ever seen of all time.

And I got to go back and tell her this. It blew me away. And I've seen everything.

Almost. Mind-blowing. I need to see it. She needs to win the Tony, and she will.

I saw Glenn Close in Sunset Boulevard in 94. You haven't even been born yet. It's true. I'm not going to tell you the premise, but go watch it on TCM. Go watch the original movie.

And it's... You know, an old Hollywood silent movie star in her later years.

So it's that, but it's so much more than that.

Yes, you ask. Why haven't you already asked?

I don't. I literally just saw her and chatted with her at the Michael Kors show. She can read, okay?

How would that start? She's an actor.

Wow, you never want to be on that side of the gays. That's all I can say.

She must laugh. She has to laugh. She has to laugh because of course she can read. She has to laugh, but the fact that they came up with this is truly fascinating.

Yeah, I will say that too.

Uh-uh.

No.

I don't know any of them, but I probably would enjoy them if I knew.

Okay.

Oh my God, I love her.

I would say walk away now.

Do you remember that? Nope.

No. They probably didn't know each other was making the movie. Yeah, no. Move on.

Stop drinking.

No, they should stop drinking because if they're blacking out, that's the problem.

That one needs to stop drinking and he'll go out and have a nice time. If you're blacking out, you need to stop everything you're doing.

You do not want to black out.

Don't do anything that makes you black out. Agreed. Because shit happens when you black out. I know. People, don't do it. Don't, don't do it. And cover your drinks at the bar.

Because those roofies are real. Right. I mean, that's terrifying to me. Like, if you black out and end up in another place and you didn't know. That's happened to so many people that I know.

A tiny bit, like a teeny weeny bit. I remember Kyle would say, listen, I'm sorry I said something in the confessional. I'm just going to give you a heads up.

Yeah. It was our, like, RA building. Mother had to, like, go find her. See, this is so terrifying because that's when the bad shit happens. Yeah, yeah. That's when... The evil people come and do evil things. Right. So, what about you? I've never blacked out. Okay, me neither.

What about you?

We never blacked out. We did a lot of shit, but we didn't black out.

You guys don't black out. Don't do that.

Oh my God, we learned so much. No more blacking out.

Be very careful about that. What did we learn? You tell me, what did we learn?

Amen to that.

Oh, good. That's the truth.

I think. I mean, again, all of this is my opinion. It's only my opinion. That's all that matters, right?

But it's all my opinion. Other people might say, oh, that's not true. But I don't think you get to see the whole picture.

And that helps a little bit. But I think what happens is when you don't know that and you see the episode and then you're kind of like, oh, right. And that's the brilliance of the show. And that's what they want.

So I learned that you are a great podcast host. Thank you. You ask really good, interesting questions. I've had so much fun. It's made me think. It's made me... And I've really enjoyed myself.

It was really, really fun. I'm so glad I did it because I hate podcasts. You know that.

Even though I'm doing one. I didn't do a podcast for seven years when I did Housewives. I started. I fucked myself so much up by saying things. And getting myself in trouble with everybody. I said, I'm not going to do them anymore. So for seven years, I didn't do a podcast. And I just started doing them because we're doing our podcast. So it's really been fun this time around.

But I still get myself in trouble.

Okay, thanks. Exactly.

They want you to be able to see it and go, oh, I hate that fucking bitch. Yeah. You know, I can't believe she just said that about me. And that happens every single time.

It was. Can you believe that?

Yeah. The end of my first season. So, You go on a trip at the ends of the season. That was the trip.

No, no, no. Not in a million years. No one was.

Probably. Probably. I'm sure they were. The truth is that we'd had some, like, there was some stuff on the plane where, you know, it wasn't great between myself and Kim. Like, there was weird cold energy. You know when people vibe you?

She was vibing me.

That's one part I don't remember. I remember coming off the plane and all of that, and she vibed me the whole time. It started to really get me. It was getting under my skin. You're on a trip. You're away from home for the first time with these girls. Jet lag like crazy. That night, we go to dinner. That night. We sat down, and five minutes later, that happened. Five minutes in? Maybe ten.

Maybe ten minutes in. We hadn't even ordered dinner. I swear to God. Like, she went right in.

And that's what happened. And you see the reaction. I mean, it's really, now that I'm able to look back on it and look above it, it's one of the greatest scenes of all time. The way it rolls out.

How dare you? Yeah.

It is in a sense, but you know what? She was one of the greatest housewives. She was so smart.

God, I loved her. You know, we came in together.

Wow. Those were the good old golden, golden years. I think if I may say, you know, cause you don't, we didn't know what we were doing.

You know, Eileen and I, funny enough, had never watched Beverly Hills.

I watched New York. I'd watched Atlanta, but I'd never seen Beverly Hills like clips of it, but never seen it, which is brilliant for them because you don't know what's going to

They get you like these fresh green little beings and they just go at, they just go at you.

And that's what they do.

Yeah. Even before. I mean, you know, the thing is I think now that they've been on for so long, I think 18 years. Yeah. 19 for Orange County. Yeah. People now know when they go on the show, they know what they're getting into. They know how they want to be perceived. It's not as... unknown. And I think that just colors the shows now.

Interesting. I never thought of it like that.

Yeah. You just said it, not me.

It was all great.

We end up at the same sushi restaurant up at the Glen. Quite a bit. And no, no, no words have been spoken.

Oh, you just pretend like that person. We just pretend like we're not there. Like I, she doesn't see me. I don't see her. Like it's hilarious because we both know we're there.

Like I know she's there. She knows I'm there. It's hilarious. It's hilarious.

I believe she left right in the middle of the season. Yes.

We... Okay, I have had some of the greatest laughs. Perfect example is when we went to Provence and we go and have this wine tasting.

It is one of the funniest, to me, one of the funniest times we are all staying in this chateau.

And... everybody is drunk and they're all coming into my room and that scene was so funny we had some amazingly funny moments we really did it's not all it's not all torture right now we laughed so much i mean i bonded you know that trip more people were supposed to come but the malibu fires happened right so a couple girls couldn't come so they're only the five of us

And that's when we really bonded because, you know, everyone's like, you guys have to make a show and yet you're all getting along.

So ready, set, go.

And that's why we bonded, I think.

This show's boring. The producers call you and they go, guys.

They have a very masterful way. They're, how would I describe them? They are, they're genius. They're genius. At what they do. Yeah. Absolutely genius. So let's say you want to make something happen. It's very easy. Think about it. If you put a group of women together, all you'd have to do is maybe say one little thing to somebody that maybe somebody said something about them. Like, it's so easy.

You know, it's like you're all in a room together and after a while, somebody's going to blow.

Well, that's the pinnacle, clearly, because I think you've seen that. Yeah. Who hasn't? It happened a lot.

You know, it really did. But that was the pinnacle. I've never been more worked up than that.

I just, I don't, you tell me, I forget. I can't even remember how many times I was worked up. But I think, you know, my buttons were easily pushed. That's why I think I was a good housewife in many ways. And I would react. And that makes a good housewife.

Well, it's very, listen. We all know the job that we need to do.

But I think what happens is people then go, oh, my God, I got to protect my family. I got to protect my husband. And, you know, some people shouldn't do certain things like, you know, the housewives that come on a show that know that they have some kind of legal issue in their life.

I will never understand that. I mean, I just don't get it. Like, do you not think that this will come out?

And I don't think they do.

I don't think they think about it. I think they get the idea of I want to be on the show. It's so great. I don't understand how if you've done something, maybe they don't think they did anything wrong.

I don't know.

But that is concerning to me.

Well, I would say that's different when they all of a sudden play out and you don't know that's going to happen.

But if you know that you've done something illegal and it's going to come up, and you still do this show, that's where it is mind-boggling to me.

Well, Salt Lake City.

I love Salt Lake. I really think it's such, I mean, those girls are great.