Linda Martin

There was also the gravel pit that was always open, and that was a dead end. Where is that? The gravel pit. What gravel pit?

There was also the gravel pit that was always open, and that was a dead end. Where is that? The gravel pit. What gravel pit?

Down over the tracks. Okay. Down over the tracks.

Down over the tracks. Okay. Down over the tracks.

Yeah, the shooting range. So that was a drinking place back then, but that's kind of a parallel road. They were hauling out of that gravel pit back then? They were, weren't they?

Yeah, the shooting range. So that was a drinking place back then, but that's kind of a parallel road. They were hauling out of that gravel pit back then? They were, weren't they?

Somebody was.

Somebody was.

Please welcome Jane Borowski.

Please welcome Jane Borowski.

I'm an easygoing person, and I don't fight with her, but I've put up with a hell of a lot from her mouth to my family. And she has ruined things. I just stay away. I just have to stay away because I can't.

I'm an easygoing person, and I don't fight with her, but I've put up with a hell of a lot from her mouth to my family. And she has ruined things. I just stay away. I just have to stay away because I can't.

I feel like, and you're doing a good job. I don't have a problem with that. I'm glad I met you. She drives the nails. between us, and Jason walks a fine line. Because he wants to get along with us, and we don't ever talk about April. We had plenty of times that I could tell you about that just didn't go well, and I just kept my mouth shut and did it and came home.

I feel like, and you're doing a good job. I don't have a problem with that. I'm glad I met you. She drives the nails. between us, and Jason walks a fine line. Because he wants to get along with us, and we don't ever talk about April. We had plenty of times that I could tell you about that just didn't go well, and I just kept my mouth shut and did it and came home.

She has this book personality, maybe she can't control that, but it's sad.

She has this book personality, maybe she can't control that, but it's sad.

Yeah, I don't understand why she keeps wanting to bring it up.

Yeah, I don't understand why she keeps wanting to bring it up.

He was just here all afternoon.

He was just here all afternoon.

So you were here all afternoon. Why would she come up with that?

So you were here all afternoon. Why would she come up with that?

But you do that and then you cross them off. Exactly.

But you do that and then you cross them off. Exactly.

Were they together? I think they were together. I wouldn't be able to swear to that now. Okay. But I think that they were still out there working when I came home. Because I think I remember talking to him and not getting too much attention.

Were they together? I think they were together. I wouldn't be able to swear to that now. Okay. But I think that they were still out there working when I came home. Because I think I remember talking to him and not getting too much attention.

So, yeah, I would say that we were both here. Of course, he's not around anymore either, you know. Oh, no, Carl?

So, yeah, I would say that we were both here. Of course, he's not around anymore either, you know. Oh, no, Carl?

Oh, I guess he was the best friend you ever had.

Oh, I guess he was the best friend you ever had.

Really?

Really?

All right.

All right.

Hi, Jen. Hi. Nice to meet you.

Hi, Jen. Hi. Nice to meet you.

Hi. Nice to meet you.

Hi. Nice to meet you.

I know it's probably not an easy thing. No, I don't usually do it, and my kids think that I hold back too much, but, you know, you have to live the way you live. Yeah, I understand. Yeah.

I know it's probably not an easy thing. No, I don't usually do it, and my kids think that I hold back too much, but, you know, you have to live the way you live. Yeah, I understand. Yeah.

Running or just walking?

Running or just walking?

Okay. Um, Delbert had kind of curly hair. I thought that everybody had figured out that that was him, but... Maybe. I don't know.

Okay. Um, Delbert had kind of curly hair. I thought that everybody had figured out that that was him, but... Maybe. I don't know.

Okay, so you were with Carl Perkins.

Okay, so you were with Carl Perkins.

I think it was afternoon because I came home from work and you were out there.

I think it was afternoon because I came home from work and you were out there.

In the beginning. I don't know how long.

In the beginning. I don't know how long.

Yeah, I worked at the Holiday Inn. Okay. And I worked the lunch shift, so I didn't get home any too early, maybe 2.30, 3.00. I don't remember. Maybe as early as two, so that's pushing it. But you never know. But it was a Sunday. Yeah, it was a Sunday. And then you get home and you're like, where's Heidi? I made a few phone calls, but I don't ever remember talking to him.

Yeah, I worked at the Holiday Inn. Okay. And I worked the lunch shift, so I didn't get home any too early, maybe 2.30, 3.00. I don't remember. Maybe as early as two, so that's pushing it. But you never know. But it was a Sunday. Yeah, it was a Sunday. And then you get home and you're like, where's Heidi? I made a few phone calls, but I don't ever remember talking to him.

I called the co-lease, because that was one of her friends that was kind of far out. And I thought, well, she might have gone out there for some reason.

I called the co-lease, because that was one of her friends that was kind of far out. And I thought, well, she might have gone out there for some reason.

I know. I started questioning where she was when I got home. I believe there's some record of you calling police and filing a missing persons report. Right, and I think in the beginning they told us we couldn't because it wasn't 24 hours, but then they picked up on it.

I know. I started questioning where she was when I got home. I believe there's some record of you calling police and filing a missing persons report. Right, and I think in the beginning they told us we couldn't because it wasn't 24 hours, but then they picked up on it.

They had quite a few that afternoon, didn't they?

They had quite a few that afternoon, didn't they?

Yeah. Well, they did the door-to-door thing that afternoon down through Martinsville.

Yeah. Well, they did the door-to-door thing that afternoon down through Martinsville.

I was. Is that true? The rule was to have somebody with you, but she couldn't. There wasn't anybody available and she still went. Okay. Yeah. And she knew better. Did she ask permission or did she just kind of like... That was the conversation with her father.

I was. Is that true? The rule was to have somebody with you, but she couldn't. There wasn't anybody available and she still went. Okay. Yeah. And she knew better. Did she ask permission or did she just kind of like... That was the conversation with her father.

That's not your responsibility.

That's not your responsibility.

They make a circle.

They make a circle.

I think so. I think so. I think with her brother. But she was rather new to... cross country and running. I didn't really think that she would have done the loop, I guess. Hmm.

I think so. I think so. I think with her brother. But she was rather new to... cross country and running. I didn't really think that she would have done the loop, I guess. Hmm.

So I know that's why they got a dog and they tried to search it, but the dog, they didn't have whatever it took because they didn't find her that night. They said they lost her when they went up around the corner. Well, all you had to do was just keep going and get back down on that road because you know she went down that road. Mm-hmm.

So I know that's why they got a dog and they tried to search it, but the dog, they didn't have whatever it took because they didn't find her that night. They said they lost her when they went up around the corner. Well, all you had to do was just keep going and get back down on that road because you know she went down that road. Mm-hmm.

And they lost their trail up Route 5. Well, they said, yeah, when they got to the place where it went down to the school, I guess there was a lot of traffic going across there. There weren't that many houses down there back then.

And they lost their trail up Route 5. Well, they said, yeah, when they got to the place where it went down to the school, I guess there was a lot of traffic going across there. There weren't that many houses down there back then.

There was also the gravel pit that was always open. And that was a dead end. I can't. Where is that? The gravel pit.

There was also the gravel pit that was always open. And that was a dead end. I can't. Where is that? The gravel pit.

Down over the tracks. Okay. Down over the tracks.

Down over the tracks. Okay. Down over the tracks.

Yeah, the shooting range. So that was a drinking place back then, but that's kind of a parallel road. They were hauling out of that gravel pit back then? They were, weren't they?

Yeah, the shooting range. So that was a drinking place back then, but that's kind of a parallel road. They were hauling out of that gravel pit back then? They were, weren't they?

Somebody was.

Somebody was.

The art teacher was going to sell her her car.

The art teacher was going to sell her her car.

And she did not have her license yet, so we said, well, you know, you can... We'll go look and see, you know, and she was all hyper about that. So she was excited about getting a car. Right. But you guys hadn't gone looking for the car?

And she did not have her license yet, so we said, well, you know, you can... We'll go look and see, you know, and she was all hyper about that. So she was excited about getting a car. Right. But you guys hadn't gone looking for the car?

Oh, the car had turned up. We were going to probably go see that car.

Oh, the car had turned up. We were going to probably go see that car.

From the art teacher. What were your dealings with police during this process? Not much.

From the art teacher. What were your dealings with police during this process? Not much.

They came and they just pulled everything out of a room downstairs. They were just grabbed everything they wanted and took. And I don't know if we got it all back.

They came and they just pulled everything out of a room downstairs. They were just grabbed everything they wanted and took. And I don't know if we got it all back.

So let's get to Dolbert. They tried to make it to tell him it was the only possibility. Right. And, you know, I think the people, I shouldn't say it this way because it's not right, but like his class of people, people who knew him in Heartland, felt that he got railroaded. In Windsor. I think he was from Windsor. Yeah, yeah, he was from Windsor. I think that was... Yeah.

So let's get to Dolbert. They tried to make it to tell him it was the only possibility. Right. And, you know, I think the people, I shouldn't say it this way because it's not right, but like his class of people, people who knew him in Heartland, felt that he got railroaded. In Windsor. I think he was from Windsor. Yeah, yeah, he was from Windsor. I think that was... Yeah.

Well, and I always thought that if he saw him and he was right there, he knew, you know, that's a start.

Well, and I always thought that if he saw him and he was right there, he knew, you know, that's a start.

He got himself lost.

He got himself lost.

They brought him home.

They brought him home.

I think that was why he couldn't go to it, because they were going to put him on the stand, maybe. Would that make sense? Yes. Yeah, it would.

I think that was why he couldn't go to it, because they were going to put him on the stand, maybe. Would that make sense? Yes. Yeah, it would.

Did you have to see her because of identification purposes, or did you want her?

Did you have to see her because of identification purposes, or did you want her?

Somebody had to identify her. I thought it was you.

Somebody had to identify her. I thought it was you.

Maybe.

Maybe.

She actually lives out in what state?

She actually lives out in what state?

Maybe Jason would know. Well, maybe he doesn't anymore. She used to be on Facebook. She took her mom out there eventually.

Maybe Jason would know. Well, maybe he doesn't anymore. She used to be on Facebook. She took her mom out there eventually.

Yeah, her daughter did. That's where, yeah.

Yeah, her daughter did. That's where, yeah.

Do you have any good theories?

Do you have any good theories?

Yeah, that's fair.

Yeah, that's fair.

Abused his daughter, I think. He did what?

Abused his daughter, I think. He did what?

You hear all kinds of stuff.

You hear all kinds of stuff.

Do you have some more specific questions?

Do you have some more specific questions?