Lieutenant Tim Bledsoe
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The priority was, let's look into this and see where it goes, you know?
The priority was, let's look into this and see where it goes, you know?
Initially, everything we learned about the business was through the first two individuals who provided information. And what was on the TSG, Tactical Solutions Group website, I don't remember verbatim, but basically that they fulfilled government contracts and that they were a leading supplier to the Department of Defense for firearms, pharmaceuticals.
Initially, everything we learned about the business was through the first two individuals who provided information. And what was on the TSG, Tactical Solutions Group website, I don't remember verbatim, but basically that they fulfilled government contracts and that they were a leading supplier to the Department of Defense for firearms, pharmaceuticals.
They were traveling. They were making pretty regular purchases of items that were fairly expensive. They were trying to negotiate some real estate transactions.
They were traveling. They were making pretty regular purchases of items that were fairly expensive. They were trying to negotiate some real estate transactions.
Hi, this is Lieutenant Bledsoe from the state police.
Hi, this is Lieutenant Bledsoe from the state police.
We learned that Michael did not go for autopsy. He had some type of accident or a fall at home, suffered a head injury, and then died shortly thereafter. Hello, Mrs. Cochran. Hi.
We learned that Michael did not go for autopsy. He had some type of accident or a fall at home, suffered a head injury, and then died shortly thereafter. Hello, Mrs. Cochran. Hi.
Hi, this is Lieutenant Bledsoe from the state police and I hate to, you know, bring up a subject about your husband's passing, but he should have went to the medical examiner's office and they're reviewing that and they just ask us to talk to people. Anything you can shed some light on and what led to his illness.
Hi, this is Lieutenant Bledsoe from the state police and I hate to, you know, bring up a subject about your husband's passing, but he should have went to the medical examiner's office and they're reviewing that and they just ask us to talk to people. Anything you can shed some light on and what led to his illness.
Could you give me some detail on Michael's morning background stuff about his overall morning?
Could you give me some detail on Michael's morning background stuff about his overall morning?
Yeah. Right. I think you called it enclofamine. Does that sound right?
Yeah. Right. I think you called it enclofamine. Does that sound right?
At one point, I said, you know, if there's a substance that's available in this country that could potentially kill other people, that's a public safety issue. And, you know, your husband may have been a victim of that.
At one point, I said, you know, if there's a substance that's available in this country that could potentially kill other people, that's a public safety issue. And, you know, your husband may have been a victim of that.
I did ask, do you think Michael would have wanted to intentionally harm himself? Suicide. Sometimes people, yes, when they get into predicaments that they see no other way out of, you know, they take drastic measures. And her comment was, well, Michael loved himself too much. So, you know... That pretty much eliminated that.
I did ask, do you think Michael would have wanted to intentionally harm himself? Suicide. Sometimes people, yes, when they get into predicaments that they see no other way out of, you know, they take drastic measures. And her comment was, well, Michael loved himself too much. So, you know... That pretty much eliminated that.
It's always a possibility. You don't ever want to rule anything out until you can rule it out.
It's always a possibility. You don't ever want to rule anything out until you can rule it out.
It's the same as pulling on a ball of string. You know, you just keep pulling and it just keeps unraveling.
It's the same as pulling on a ball of string. You know, you just keep pulling and it just keeps unraveling.
Yes, many of them had quite a bit of documentation. They had obviously kept track of this because we're talking about a substantial amount of money, some of them's life savings.
Yes, many of them had quite a bit of documentation. They had obviously kept track of this because we're talking about a substantial amount of money, some of them's life savings.
It's the same as pulling on a ball of string. You just keep pulling and it just keeps unraveling.
It's the same as pulling on a ball of string. You just keep pulling and it just keeps unraveling.
You don't want to sell the rest of anything else? No.
You don't want to sell the rest of anything else? No.
As money comes in, if you're investor A, let's say, and I already have your money, well, when investor B comes in, I give you a little bit back from investor B and then try to build off. And it's just a pyramid, really. But it's not sustainable because eventually you can't keep up.
As money comes in, if you're investor A, let's say, and I already have your money, well, when investor B comes in, I give you a little bit back from investor B and then try to build off. And it's just a pyramid, really. But it's not sustainable because eventually you can't keep up.
We had several other officers there with us, troopers. Also had a female trooper there to transport Natalie.
We had several other officers there with us, troopers. Also had a female trooper there to transport Natalie.
She did. Said, Natalie, I said, you're under arrest. And I'm going to explain to you exactly why and what the charges are. And she says, it took all of y'all for little old me.
She did. Said, Natalie, I said, you're under arrest. And I'm going to explain to you exactly why and what the charges are. And she says, it took all of y'all for little old me.
I sure did not expect to find that, no.
I sure did not expect to find that, no.
Anytime he would question why they didn't have their money, why the contracts weren't being paid, he got the same exact excuses that the investors were getting.
Anytime he would question why they didn't have their money, why the contracts weren't being paid, he got the same exact excuses that the investors were getting.
Her actions changed that. The questions she would ask, why are you investigating me?
Her actions changed that. The questions she would ask, why are you investigating me?
In her mind, she could. That was probably one of the most concerning things that I heard, was how someone whose spouse had only been dead for, at that point, two months, And they're concerned over somebody trying to explain why it happened.
In her mind, she could. That was probably one of the most concerning things that I heard, was how someone whose spouse had only been dead for, at that point, two months, And they're concerned over somebody trying to explain why it happened.
You believed it was from Mexico. What makes you think that?
You believed it was from Mexico. What makes you think that?
We never found any evidence of Mexico. The farthest that we traced it was to an address in Florida. It's just the pieces that just keep adding up that just don't make sense.
We never found any evidence of Mexico. The farthest that we traced it was to an address in Florida. It's just the pieces that just keep adding up that just don't make sense.
I learned a long, long time ago that anywhere that you're allowed to look, you better look while you're there.
I learned a long, long time ago that anywhere that you're allowed to look, you better look while you're there.
Why is that insulin beneath a pile of chocolate bars?
Why is that insulin beneath a pile of chocolate bars?
Oh, it's critical. I mean, they have to get medical treatment for that immediately.
Oh, it's critical. I mean, they have to get medical treatment for that immediately.
Yes. Yes, very possible at that point.
Yes. Yes, very possible at that point.
This could be a quote-unquote smoking gun, so to speak.
This could be a quote-unquote smoking gun, so to speak.
Michael's remains were pretty advanced in decomposition, so it made it very difficult for the medical examiner.
Michael's remains were pretty advanced in decomposition, so it made it very difficult for the medical examiner.
No, I'm not saying that. I know you did. That's what I'm telling you. No, you don't. Yes, I do.
No, I'm not saying that. I know you did. That's what I'm telling you. No, you don't. Yes, I do.
The whole reason I got into law enforcement in the first place was to help people, especially people who could not help themselves. So we were there to speak for Michael.
The whole reason I got into law enforcement in the first place was to help people, especially people who could not help themselves. So we were there to speak for Michael.
We've been conducting an investigation into Michael's death for some time now.
We've been conducting an investigation into Michael's death for some time now.
You brought up the clomiphene was possibly some way related to Michael's death. Okay, we now know that that's not true. So we need to clear that up.
You brought up the clomiphene was possibly some way related to Michael's death. Okay, we now know that that's not true. So we need to clear that up.
What you're saying is it was nothing at your hand.
What you're saying is it was nothing at your hand.
And that's what I'm saying is not true. And that not only did you then allow him to lay there all day without medical treatment.
And that's what I'm saying is not true. And that not only did you then allow him to lay there all day without medical treatment.
You called an alibi is what you did.
You called an alibi is what you did.
Yeah. You made sure that you had somebody else to blame.
Yeah. You made sure that you had somebody else to blame.
No, I'm not saying that. I know you did. That's what I'm telling you. No, you don't. Yes, I do.
No, I'm not saying that. I know you did. That's what I'm telling you. No, you don't. Yes, I do.
When you put all those circumstances together, not just the insulin, it paints a very clear picture.
When you put all those circumstances together, not just the insulin, it paints a very clear picture.
We found a bottle of insulin in the refrigerator. He's not a diabetic. Why is it beneath a pile of chocolate bars?
We found a bottle of insulin in the refrigerator. He's not a diabetic. Why is it beneath a pile of chocolate bars?
Let's look into this and see where it goes.
Let's look into this and see where it goes.