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Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Well, I think it's important. I think that to control the viewing experience, it's something that we all talk about is how do we give the viewers more control with their bundle, more control with their camera views. And it turns out people don't actually like the level of control that they thought they would. I'm just a little different. I do like that level of control.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
And I manifested, I find, by being alone is the best way.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
The number of people who actually pick their own camera. Wait, wait, explain. Picking your own camera angles was something that was available. Remember when you could, there was a 3D time, you could get the glasses. There were different angles and you could decide how you wanted to watch the game.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
It's funny in that that is what they thought would be added value for the consumer. That's what all these increases in technology and improvements are, is let's give the consumer what they want. Except consumers, at the end of the day, we all think they're so sophisticated in their desires.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
And I always take that chair with the lever on the right. And now John has it. And John is purposefully.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
It's the lever of power. And John is doing it.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
The question is what percentage of people actually thought that they were sitting you on the abyss?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
But what are baseball and baseball games as well? There's a number of minutes of action. We would study this. It's also overblown, and I'd like John to probably disagree with me.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Is there anything more random than the extra time called at the end of a half?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
If it's nine in the first half, you just have to do the math.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Oh, I thought the 45 winds up to 51. No. So the 45 stops at 45? Stops at 45. And no one's counting the extra time? Everybody's counting the extra time, but there's no public display of it. There is on TV.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Well, I love that they let a play develop in soccer. Where in football, in other times sports, you don't can say, oh wait, we're on a fast break. Like, yeah, the buzzer went off, but we're on a fast break.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
for anybody to do anything. Have you ever noticed when I sit, I'm never back. I sit back straight. I sit legs forward. I'm only using the top front part of a chair. You're on the top step of the chair. That's exactly how I do it. But I don't have to worry about hitting my head on anything overhead. Like I don't walk through a door worrying about hitting my head the way Skipper does.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I want to quote Bud Selig here, because anytime I can quote him, I love to do it in honor of Bud. And we would complain whenever we had a call go against us. And there's a head of baseball operations, on-field operations. After Joe Torre was done with the Yankees, it was him for a while. Now it's Mike Hill.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
And you call in, and sometimes you go all the way up to the commissioner when you get a call against you, an umpire's call against you, a block in the plate or a ball strike or an out. And Bud would say, all right, here's what we're going to do. We're going to keep track for you. And you'll find over 162 games, this was my first year to win the league.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
He said, over 162 games, if we keep track of every call, it's going to be 50-50. 50% are going to go your way. 50% are not going to go your way. And you're only going to call me on the ones that don't go your way. But I receive a call on 100% of the calls because every call has one team that it doesn't go their way. So you have to understand that you calling me is not going to have any impact.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
So you can keep doing it. This is when I was new to the game. Keep doing it. But when a call goes for you, why aren't you calling me to thank me for that? And so we would keep track. We actually had someone who we would, I wanted to know the truth. We being the Marlins. We the Marlins.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
And I started this with the Expos actually, but we kept track because I wanted to know whether it was in my head when the owner would call and say, how can we never get a runner in from third base with under two outs? But every time the other team does, they score. Because it feels that way when you're a fan. And I wanted to get the facts. And the fact of the matter is that it is true.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
That it's 50-50? It's basically 50-50.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I just have to think about other stuff.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
You know, if the NFL were scripting this, let me just say there's so much confusion right now in the media and in the fans. The NFL would want the Cowboys in the NFC Championship every year. They'd like them to play the Giants every year if that would be possible. The NBA would like the Knicks to be in the NBA Finals. That would be terrific.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
And baseball would like the Dodgers and the Yankees to be in every single year and certainly not have the Yankees in it for the first time last year since 09. So all of this talk that everything's scripted and this is what the NFL plans, it's not exactly accurate. Are there calls that in theory have gone the Chiefs way? Yeah, but there's plenty of calls.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
The Bills didn't lose because of the fourth down call. they didn't lose because of the incomplete pass that was ruled uh was it ruled an interception coca when the ball was on the ground or was that a reception and it was going to be an interception with bills chiefs that was a reception that was a reception that should have been interception
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I just don't think that that level of conspiracy exists. And in terms of the hatred of Kansas City, I view hatred, A, as jealousy, and I view it as great currency. I want people to hate me. I want people to love me. I just want people to care. And that's always been the view.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Doesn't that happen with everyone? Everyone who's likable or successful has enemies because they want to bring them down a notch.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
It looks like you can't grow a beard. Like, you just look messy. Well. There's all these patches that make it look like you lasered in a weird spot.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Good for movies, good for stories, good for books, good for life. You have to have people playing different parts. Bad for neighbors. That's a funny way to think about it. But yeah, I'm always, when you're casting something...
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
you we always say oh that's central casting for a villain or central casting for a hero there's always been that in every sort of story both fiction and non-fiction and sports is the same i never objected to a team being a villain or to a player being a villain. I didn't want a dirty player. That's very different. Dirty versus villainous.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
And in terms of the worth of the broadcast, in terms of interest. Talk about Goliath, right?
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I don't think you can be Goliath without having won previous fights. I think the one we remember is David, but I would assume he was the undefeated heavyweight champion of the world at the time. That's how I always pictured it.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Right, but that's the one you remember because that's Buster Douglas.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Mohunk? I've never heard the word mohunk, but I just assumed it was a Carolina thing. I was going to let it go. Normally you type when you don't understand a word. Like I noticed when I said Moe's, I believe you were typing to confirm thinking that I got it wrong. But how come when Skipper says Mohunk, your fingers aren't walking?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I'm upset with all that Chiefs hate. I really am. You resent the resentment. I do. I think that we all wish it were our team. It's like Bulls fans. Bulls fans in the 90s recognized how fortunate they were. They had gone through the Pistons, and now Jordan was winning six titles in eight years. And we all hated them. They were villains because they kept winning. But it's jealousy. Villainy.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Okay. It's good. Looks good. Just my target demographic, John Skipper. Yes, it is full. It's a little more gray, but thank you. Compliments from Skipper.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Well, if you're a Raiders fan, you got to be upset to hear that because if you want someone running your team and your organization, that's a full-time job. And there's no question about it. To be good at running a football operation or a business operation, it can be your only job.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
And in order to be the number one analyst for a network in football, that's got to be your full-time job during the season. It takes a week to prepare for a game. It requires an unbelievable amount of preparation. And I don't see how Tom Brady can do both. And that's been my position on Nothing Personal. It continues to be my position.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Has there been a more awkward on-screen moment than the game that Burkhardt and Brady did? where before the game, Burkhardt set up Brady to say, oh, I'm going to be here. You're stuck with me, partner. I'm not leaving. It was so manufactured that it was obviously not believable to me. And if I'm Mark Davis, I will not allow Tom Brady to continue at Fox because I want his full attention.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
And if I'm the Fox, I will not allow Tom Brady to run the Raiders because I need his faux attention.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
He was in the booth for the lower game in the NFC.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Which, by the way, proves the point.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
So here's what I've been thinking about. All the altcasts that are happening. And I was thinking about John and getting his budget shown to him as he's looking at his P&L. And he knows what he paid out in rights to just take football. And he knows what he's paying the announcers, Joe Buck and Troy Aikman, which is an unbelievable amount for each of them. And they're great.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
And then he gets presented with... You know what? We're going to bring in the Mannings. We're going to put that on a different channel for an old cast. And then we're going to do another one where it's going to be for kids. You will not have heard of anyone, but there's slime and various things involved.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
And you're going to look and say, wait a minute, that's an extra $8 million per product for production. What are we doing here? So is it progress, all the altcasts? That's what I'm having a hard time understanding, that we're trying to attract different demographics. So we're doing it with all these altcasts, but we're just increasing the expense when it turns out that maybe people don't care.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I believe that roughly the same amount of people would be watching. So then why would you increase your expenses? If you're not getting an incremental revenue benefit for it, why are you increasing your expenses? To make it look like progress?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
What's the story? I had some pre-cancer stuff on my face. So I had to have a procedure. And the procedure was causing a bit of dryness and also made my face look a little blotchy. So I shaved two days before the procedure as I was supposed to. And I have not put a razor to my face since because everything is still healing.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
To me, it was an ambassador deal that enables you to draw from different budgets. So I would bet you that you would not want on your P&L 37 and a half million for Tom Brady as your play-by-play guy. I would imagine that you're happy to take money from the corporate side for him to go to investor events. And so that's worth an amount of money. And so you split up his salary.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Yeah, I view it as that, that you're not a fan of either of the teams and you just want to hear what these guys have to say. But what's very popular now are these watch parties. Metal Ark does them. where you're watching somebody watch the game or you're doing a two-screen experience.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Do you have any recollection of your P&L? Excuse me, do you have any recollection of your P&L? Did you have Kornheiser on with no concomitant expense, or did you have to take part of his already existing salary and put it into yours? What a highly specific curiosity. Well, I'm obsessed with this because I love the way big companies allocate talent.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
and and uh i'm so sad that your view is that because you're in charge of hiring and sort of establishing value for the people who are doing this that's like saying you know dan doing four hours of content a day five days a week is not hard it's hard i didn't say it wasn't hard three times a week that's not what you were talking about you were talking about how difficult it is that a person who is one of three people in a booth must spend what
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I was always- When you're watching the games with your son, can you name every player on the team?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Yes. Okay. I should have used sunscreen as a kid. I mean, that's the bottom line. And I tried to get my kids to do it, and no one wants to use sunscreen. I don't quite get that.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Mark Davis was lying, obviously, because it was two weeks later that Tom Brady was doing the interviews for head coach. So I'm not, and right during the playoffs while Tom was calling playoff games. So I'm not sure, were you giving that quote because you believed Mark Davis that he was showing that sort of respect and deference?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
We don't know about as running the Raiders yet. I mean, it's too early. Are you judging him on his running the Raiders football team yet?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
And are you judging him as a broadcaster? I think, you know, we're giving him a lot of hate.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Is there anything harder than being a solo radio announcer the way Vin Scully doing baseball?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Vince would talk about... 15 minutes of it. So it's the same, the action. So of course you're describing the action as it happens, but we know... Like you're saying that the football announcer shouldn't say second and seven handoff. They do do that, but that's only about 16 minutes of a three and a half hour broadcast.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
So the skill, one thing that I don't know if the result of this will be is John criticizing or thinking that broadcasters are not worth anything. The fact is, and I want to reiterate what he said, there's people in your ear all the time talking. You've got, it's like a concert that's happening and there's everyone playing a different instrument to make it sound good. Yes.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Are you making this a socioeconomic issue? I have no idea. Sunscreen's a thing.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Yeah, he said mohunk. Mohunk. Mohawk is the hairstyle. I said mohunk. Okay.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Well, I don't think you need it in here. My dermatologist says I should wear it even when I'm not going to be outdoors, that I should put it on. Yeah, yeah. Sounds like my mom. No, it's a thing. It's a thing. And do I regret it?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I try not to have any regrets, but when I'm getting things sliced off me and Mohs is happening in various places on my body, which is sort of a technical thing that your mom will love. They were mentioning what Mohs is. Do you know what Mohs is? I don't know what Mohs is. Mohs is when you have cancer and they dig in. Oh, M-O-H-S.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
As opposed to Doug Moe? Larry Moe and Curly?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Yes. That's what I was focused on. The first thing I did on Nothing Personal was do the math with Coca. Is it possible that one championship game drew more people than the entire World Series? And the answer is yes. And it is infuriating to me. And so I do a lot of explaining to myself. like notes to myself of why it is to make it so I can get through the day.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
First one, there aren't a lot of games. So I start with that, that of course you're gonna have, there are more people, this was part of my PR, more people go to Marlins games than Dolphin games. More people in Florida go to Marlins games than Dolphin games. Of course we play 10 times as many games, but don't quibble.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
It's actually both, but certainly what I made up is more than what the Dolphins draw. Two, when you look at the number of people who watch these football games, in theory, if we had in baseball a winner-take-all game always in the playoffs, which is what the NFL does, it would help our numbers, but owners didn't want to approve that.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Single elimination. It's the greatest. It's the March basketball, March madness situation. People are watching because they have brackets and because they gamble, but also because there's so much at stake for every game. And football is that on steroids.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
All of that matters. I was telling Levitard on a recent show that I would do conversations with players only standing on the top step of the dugout with them in the dugout because I didn't want to go in with the power dynamic of me, or I would do it sitting down on the bench in the dugout.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
But Sunday's also a family day. You know, baseball's every day of the week. Football, well, now football's every day of the week, but... And Sunday, historically, another thing I would say to myself is, oh, the family's just sitting around. They're hanging out. Of course, they're just going to turn on the game.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Or people go to a bar because it's a weekend and they're willing to get hammered early like a drinking brunch. So you watch football that way. So I could come up with 100 reasons why football was better than baseball.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
know it's funny there's businesses that are being started and i'm gonna get the name wrong i don't know if it's pronounced chasm oh it's the the sphere like uh that arena because people don't want to be on their couch they want to be an environment like going to the game where you can celebrate with people and have that it's why these stadiums when the team is on the road they open their home stadium and 40 000 people come to watch on the jumbotron because of that feeling of being there
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
but I wouldn't want to do any sort of serious conversation with the player or with anyone where there is a huge height difference.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
No, because everything's by comparison. So it makes us look worse as an industry. But then we'll do the math on the media deal and say, all right, if they're getting five times our rate, what's the reason? Is it based on viewers? Is it based on somehow what the networks need to program?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Because it certainly can't be based on the hours that baseball could provide, because they can obviously provide more. So We never saw it trickle down. We never got to go to sponsors and say, look, the NFL has these numbers, so we're going to up our rate card. We just never could do that.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Yes, I was. And there's some pictures online where I'm not on the top set and I'm walking or I'm talking to Stanton and there's such a big difference. And it's not where I want to be. So with the chair here, I noticed you screwed me. You moved chairs. I don't move any of the chairs. Well, there's no side table and this chair doesn't go up and down the way that chair does.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I love a solo movie. Me too. I like watching games alone, actually, because I don't like being bothered. And that comes from probably 18 years of watching games and being bothered all game. But I enjoy it. I watched the championship games, and I was solo. And I could do whatever I wanted. I could mute it when I didn't want to listen to Brady. I could put it louder. I could stand up.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I could pause it if I wanted to go to the bathroom and not worry. Like, I love the control of being alone.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I don't enjoy watching sports or watching movies or watching award shows with other people.