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Lee Jussim

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim

Well, it turns out we've run into an obstacle. Can we resolve? And it just went on for almost two years. Eventually that was resolved and it was all published. It's all published. And... You know, your original question was framed as, you can't believe I haven't been subject to cancellation. In fact, I have. I have. You then asked, well, how did you survive it? So let me add this little punchline.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim

At the time that all this was happening, my immediate associate dean, so I was chair of the psychology department at Rutgers, and... Rutgers is in the School of Arts and Sciences. The School of Arts and Sciences has a dean. But the School of Arts and Sciences at Rutgers is gigantic. Even as chair, I had very little direct contact with the dean. The dean was doing big deanly things.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim

At the time that all this was happening, my immediate associate dean, so I was chair of the psychology department at Rutgers, and... Rutgers is in the School of Arts and Sciences. The School of Arts and Sciences has a dean. But the School of Arts and Sciences at Rutgers is gigantic. Even as chair, I had very little direct contact with the dean. The dean was doing big deanly things.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim

At the time that all this was happening, my immediate associate dean, so I was chair of the psychology department at Rutgers, and... Rutgers is in the School of Arts and Sciences. The School of Arts and Sciences has a dean. But the School of Arts and Sciences at Rutgers is gigantic. Even as chair, I had very little direct contact with the dean. The dean was doing big deanly things.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim

But the department chairs have a lot of contact with an associate chair. So there might be an associate chair for the sciences. Associate dean. Dean? Associate dean, yeah, sorry. Associate dean, yeah, sorry. Associate dean. So there'd be an associate dean for math, for STEM, associate dean for social science, and associate dean for humanities.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim

But the department chairs have a lot of contact with an associate chair. So there might be an associate chair for the sciences. Associate dean. Dean? Associate dean, yeah, sorry. Associate dean, yeah, sorry. Associate dean. So there'd be an associate dean for math, for STEM, associate dean for social science, and associate dean for humanities.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim

But the department chairs have a lot of contact with an associate chair. So there might be an associate chair for the sciences. Associate dean. Dean? Associate dean, yeah, sorry. Associate dean, yeah, sorry. Associate dean. So there'd be an associate dean for math, for STEM, associate dean for social science, and associate dean for humanities.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim

I had a lot to do with the associate dean for social sciences, who was a psychologist from the psychology department. Okay, so I never actually had this conversation exactly with him, but I'm pretty sure he knew about the whole thing. A year, so at the end of my term, so this is now 2023, I go on sabbatical. Remember, this event occurred, the POPs event occurred in 2022.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim

I had a lot to do with the associate dean for social sciences, who was a psychologist from the psychology department. Okay, so I never actually had this conversation exactly with him, but I'm pretty sure he knew about the whole thing. A year, so at the end of my term, so this is now 2023, I go on sabbatical. Remember, this event occurred, the POPs event occurred in 2022.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim

I had a lot to do with the associate dean for social sciences, who was a psychologist from the psychology department. Okay, so I never actually had this conversation exactly with him, but I'm pretty sure he knew about the whole thing. A year, so at the end of my term, so this is now 2023, I go on sabbatical. Remember, this event occurred, the POPs event occurred in 2022.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim

It's not till almost two years later that this stuff was published. So I complete my term as department chair 2022. 2022, 23, I go on sabbatical, still not published. And then at the end of that sabbatical term, the associate dean approaches me with an offer to chair the anthropology department. Okay, so this is very weird. Yeah, definitely. It's very weird.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim

It's not till almost two years later that this stuff was published. So I complete my term as department chair 2022. 2022, 23, I go on sabbatical, still not published. And then at the end of that sabbatical term, the associate dean approaches me with an offer to chair the anthropology department. Okay, so this is very weird. Yeah, definitely. It's very weird.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim

It's not till almost two years later that this stuff was published. So I complete my term as department chair 2022. 2022, 23, I go on sabbatical, still not published. And then at the end of that sabbatical term, the associate dean approaches me with an offer to chair the anthropology department. Okay, so this is very weird. Yeah, definitely. It's very weird.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim

There was an internal political snafu, which is beyond the scope of this discussion. and they couldn't appoint an internal chair, and they wanted an external, you know, the department needed a chair, the dean's office had a lot of faith and confidence in my ability.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim

There was an internal political snafu, which is beyond the scope of this discussion. and they couldn't appoint an internal chair, and they wanted an external, you know, the department needed a chair, the dean's office had a lot of faith and confidence in my ability.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim

There was an internal political snafu, which is beyond the scope of this discussion. and they couldn't appoint an internal chair, and they wanted an external, you know, the department needed a chair, the dean's office had a lot of faith and confidence in my ability.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim

One of the things they said to me was, you know, this is going to be a difficult situation because the department is not going to be happy about having an outside chair imposed on them, but we know you have a thick skin. Wow. And I parlayed that into a very large raise. Jordan, it was one of the best things I've ever done.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim

One of the things they said to me was, you know, this is going to be a difficult situation because the department is not going to be happy about having an outside chair imposed on them, but we know you have a thick skin. Wow. And I parlayed that into a very large raise. Jordan, it was one of the best things I've ever done.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim

One of the things they said to me was, you know, this is going to be a difficult situation because the department is not going to be happy about having an outside chair imposed on them, but we know you have a thick skin. Wow. And I parlayed that into a very large raise. Jordan, it was one of the best things I've ever done.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim

So not only did I escape cancellation, I parlayed it into an improvement in the quality.