Konstantin Kisin

Really?

Yeah, there's no coming back, is there?

Can you imagine?

That was your only reference for white people.

Wow.

You know, it was really interesting is how some things still resonate.

I was talking to Constantine about the Greek myths and how I was really obsessed with them when I was a kid.

And when I was teaching, I used to teach Greek myths to my kids and they would all love it.

And I remember thinking going, why is it that these stories, which are thousands of years old, resonate with a group of 11-year-old kids in the 21st century in East London who are all addicted to their iPhones?

But then you look at it and you look at, for instance, the story of Narcissus, the guy who falls in love with his own reflection in the lake and drowns in the lake.

And you go, well, that could be about now.

Yeah.

Do you know what I mean?

Like with social media, the guy who just becomes so obsessed, he becomes one with social media until the point that it obliterates everything and he loses all his identity.

And I think part of the problem as well is that we have liberalism in our country.

So we're saying, you know, it's a marketplace of ideas.

We need to talk.

We need to share.

But what happens is then you've got an Islamic fundamentalist preaching, converting people to Islamism.

And you go, our way of combating this simply isn't adequate.