Khalil Rountree

And it's crazy because I'm sitting right behind you guys and I'm watching you guys' natural reactions. It's such a natural reaction. And I know you guys take a lot of shit and they make memes about you guys, but watching you do it in those moments is the best thing ever.

And it's crazy because I'm sitting right behind you guys and I'm watching you guys' natural reactions. It's such a natural reaction. And I know you guys take a lot of shit and they make memes about you guys, but watching you do it in those moments is the best thing ever.

Max would be giving us some moments, right?

Max would be giving us some moments, right?

Well, he's got plenty of time to kind of time it out.

Well, he's got plenty of time to kind of time it out.

So I think it's going to help him.

So I think it's going to help him.

Because Ilya will expose you.

Because Ilya will expose you.

I know. You see the video of him hitting in mitts? I saw his, even his brother hit like that. Really? I watched his brother hit mitts and I was like, God damn.

I know. You see the video of him hitting in mitts? I saw his, even his brother hit like that. Really? I watched his brother hit mitts and I was like, God damn.

Yeah, that's crispy.

Yeah, that's crispy.

But here's the thing with Max is Max's movement.

But here's the thing with Max is Max's movement.

Like, Max ain't going to be there for that. Nope.

Like, Max ain't going to be there for that. Nope.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right, for sure.

Right, for sure.

And it shouldn't. They take advantage of MMA guys because they know we crazy.

And it shouldn't. They take advantage of MMA guys because they know we crazy.

In hindsight, it was a bad idea, but in his mind, he's thinking, this is an opportunity for me to become a legend.

In hindsight, it was a bad idea, but in his mind, he's thinking, this is an opportunity for me to become a legend.

So had that been different for Aspinall, we'd have been like, yo, he shouldn't have took that fight.

So had that been different for Aspinall, we'd have been like, yo, he shouldn't have took that fight.

And it's so spontaneous, too. Even when I'm watching fights now, when it happens, I always have this response of be ready to look away because if a leg snaps, I don't want to see that.

And it's so spontaneous, too. Even when I'm watching fights now, when it happens, I always have this response of be ready to look away because if a leg snaps, I don't want to see that.

That's what I'm saying. He's not a bad fighter.

That's what I'm saying. He's not a bad fighter.

No, I'd put him in there with the winner of Moicano and Saint-Denis. That's a good fight.

No, I'd put him in there with the winner of Moicano and Saint-Denis. That's a good fight.

Moikano's got really good jiu-jitsu. I saw him ball up Chase Hooper. In a grappling tournament. Yeah.

Moikano's got really good jiu-jitsu. I saw him ball up Chase Hooper. In a grappling tournament. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, it's proof that you don't need it. You don't need to cross that line.

Well, I mean, it's proof that you don't need it. You don't need to cross that line.

Well, I mean, at the end of the day, like, people are attracted to violence. Yeah. And at the end, like, even Robbie Lawler, like, people love Robbie, and he never said, he hated doing it.

Well, I mean, at the end of the day, like, people are attracted to violence. Yeah. And at the end, like, even Robbie Lawler, like, people love Robbie, and he never said, he hated doing it.

This is easily the best fight of all time.

This is easily the best fight of all time.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

He said if it was that cheap that people would stop pirating.

He said if it was that cheap that people would stop pirating.

Yeah, let's go with protect your neck.

Yeah, let's go with protect your neck.

Yeah. I didn't know they were going to start with Canelo, although they were starting with Betterbeef, but that's a fight.

Yeah. I didn't know they were going to start with Canelo, although they were starting with Betterbeef, but that's a fight.

They were talking about doing that for like 15 bucks.

They were talking about doing that for like 15 bucks.

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The first episode dropped today. So I knew you was going to ask me this, so I had to Oscar award this shit. Oh, right. You can catch me at the Modern Rose in Hollywood, Florida, or you can catch me on MMA Today on SiriusXM's Fight Nation, Theoretically Speaking on ESPN West Palm, Fight Court on YouTube, Laura Sanko's One-on-One, and I'm also partnering with Valerie Energy Drinks.

My film brotherhood is making its way around the film festival circuit, and if you got beef with me, see me in the street.

My film brotherhood is making its way around the film festival circuit, and if you got beef with me, see me in the street.

Yeah, the theme song's already done for us.

Yeah, the theme song's already done for us.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

But think about his come up, man. He was able to come up this year without talking shit.

But think about his come up, man. He was able to come up this year without talking shit.

All these fighters think they gotta talk shit to come up. He did it by just stepping up to the plate and fighting and knocking motherfuckers out. He doesn't even smile.

All these fighters think they gotta talk shit to come up. He did it by just stepping up to the plate and fighting and knocking motherfuckers out. He doesn't even smile.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, but Jamal, I talked to Jamal about that. Like, Jamal called all of us on the broadcast. He was like, yo. And he was like, he stepped on and got the angle, and I couldn't move because Herb Dean was there.

Yeah, but Jamal, I talked to Jamal about that. Like, Jamal called all of us on the broadcast. He was like, yo. And he was like, he stepped on and got the angle, and I couldn't move because Herb Dean was there.

Yeah, no doubt.

Yeah, no doubt.

Oh, it is.

Oh, it is.

I got to tell you. You know what it was? I've been listening to you motherfuckers telling me to get an iPhone, and I don't know how to work it. You know what I'm saying?

I got to tell you. You know what it was? I've been listening to you motherfuckers telling me to get an iPhone, and I don't know how to work it. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, here we go.

Yeah, here we go.

But he also put his hand on the outside of Jamal's hand to clear the angle for him to throw the left hook over top of it.

But he also put his hand on the outside of Jamal's hand to clear the angle for him to throw the left hook over top of it.

Man.

Man.

Yeah, I know. Khalil knocked out my boy Anthony Smith, had him in slow motion.

Yeah, I know. Khalil knocked out my boy Anthony Smith, had him in slow motion.

I mean, we're going to find out. But do you think the UFC would want Khalil to be champ? You know what I'm saying? Why not? Well, he just don't really have, like, that championship thing about him. Where, like, you go, oh, that's my champ right there. Like, he don't really have that.

I mean, we're going to find out. But do you think the UFC would want Khalil to be champ? You know what I'm saying? Why not? Well, he just don't really have, like, that championship thing about him. Where, like, you go, oh, that's my champ right there. Like, he don't really have that.

He's sensitive. He's a sensitive guy. You don't cry? You know what I'm saying?

He's sensitive. He's a sensitive guy. You don't cry? You know what I'm saying?

I'm not saying there's something wrong with it. I'm just saying, is that the guy that we want holding the belt?

I'm not saying there's something wrong with it. I'm just saying, is that the guy that we want holding the belt?

So this is real Planet of the Apes type shit.

So this is real Planet of the Apes type shit.

Ever.

Ever.

You wear these.

You wear these.

Just don't wear nothing. That way you could cheat, too.

Just don't wear nothing. That way you could cheat, too.

But yeah, he was the man in Peaky Blinders.

But yeah, he was the man in Peaky Blinders.

But Matt, I know exactly the thing you're talking about.

But Matt, I know exactly the thing you're talking about.

So they just stole the whole thing?

So they just stole the whole thing?

You even have a DVD player? I do. How the fuck do you have a DVD player?

You even have a DVD player? I do. How the fuck do you have a DVD player?

I just don't know anybody with a DVD player. That's like VHS. I don't have that.

I just don't know anybody with a DVD player. That's like VHS. I don't have that.

I know. I never had Max. I just got Max just so I could watch that shit. Season two. Dude, it's good. Yeah, it is good. I ain't gonna lie. It is good. It's a real good show.

I know. I never had Max. I just got Max just so I could watch that shit. Season two. Dude, it's good. Yeah, it is good. I ain't gonna lie. It is good. It's a real good show.

I never thought about that.

I never thought about that.

So I got to ask you, because you know Murab better than anybody here, I'm sure. Yes. From that, when I see him now, he's just a different animal. A complete different character. Has he always been this type of character?

So I got to ask you, because you know Murab better than anybody here, I'm sure. Yes. From that, when I see him now, he's just a different animal. A complete different character. Has he always been this type of character?

You've never seen it?

You've never seen it?

I've never even heard of it until you just said it right now.

I've never even heard of it until you just said it right now.

Phenomenal movie. But does American Gangster count?

Phenomenal movie. But does American Gangster count?

Everybody's like, what the fuck's wrong with him?

Everybody's like, what the fuck's wrong with him?

Damn.

Damn.

Could take over a whole city.

Could take over a whole city.

Yeah, like if he did Bare Knuckle when he was younger, he would have been perfect for it.

Yeah, like if he did Bare Knuckle when he was younger, he would have been perfect for it.

Yeah, Kimbo.

Yeah, Kimbo.

But think about that. But that goes for all of us, right? Because we all kind of came from the same shit from back in the day, right? And then me and Matt, we still in the game. But then look at guys like him and Phil Barone.

But think about that. But that goes for all of us, right? Because we all kind of came from the same shit from back in the day, right? And then me and Matt, we still in the game. But then look at guys like him and Phil Barone.

I was working with him last week when I was with Brady and him. And we were doing elbows. And my wrist still ain't the same right now.

I was working with him last week when I was with Brady and him. And we were doing elbows. And my wrist still ain't the same right now.

Pfeiffer is going to be up there with the best of them.

Pfeiffer is going to be up there with the best of them.

And I got to give props to John Marquez out in Philly. John Marquez would be putting it together. He'd be putting in work with them guys.

And I got to give props to John Marquez out in Philly. John Marquez would be putting it together. He'd be putting in work with them guys.

Well, that's why I put on some weight. That's why I'm trying to get over 200, just so I can posture on them back.

Well, that's why I put on some weight. That's why I'm trying to get over 200, just so I can posture on them back.

Had Leon making excuses about the time change. Put it that way.

Had Leon making excuses about the time change. Put it that way.

He's still like that too, man. He's still hungry. He's still down to earth. He ain't get all high class.

He's still like that too, man. He's still hungry. He's still down to earth. He ain't get all high class.

I'm like, what's wrong with you, man? You're supposed to cuss. He's crazy.

I'm like, what's wrong with you, man? You're supposed to cuss. He's crazy.

And he doesn't have time to go on another run.

And he doesn't have time to go on another run.

He's got to be 37 now. How old is Kamaru?

He's got to be 37 now. How old is Kamaru?

37.

37.

And you got them badass knees, too, man.

And you got them badass knees, too, man.

See, I got to do that because holding pads for people, oh, it tears your shoulders up.

See, I got to do that because holding pads for people, oh, it tears your shoulders up.

He like jabbed him or something.

He like jabbed him or something.

That's Kamaru Usman, Jorge Masvidal. Yeah.

That's Kamaru Usman, Jorge Masvidal. Yeah.

Oh, 100%. Which is more natural to them. Right. Speaking of crack, Mark Delegretti says that you have the hardest kick that he's ever held for. Ooh. And that's something... Yeah, that's very nice to help for a lot of people. I kick pretty hard. Yeah. Not a lot of people might give you that credit for that.

Oh, 100%. Which is more natural to them. Right. Speaking of crack, Mark Delegretti says that you have the hardest kick that he's ever held for. Ooh. And that's something... Yeah, that's very nice to help for a lot of people. I kick pretty hard. Yeah. Not a lot of people might give you that credit for that.

So the smelling salts will get me looking like that?

So the smelling salts will get me looking like that?

I think you liked me. I think I have to take a shit. That'll cure snoring, for sure.

I think you liked me. I think I have to take a shit. That'll cure snoring, for sure.

So what do people do to smelling salts for? They do it before they lift.

So what do people do to smelling salts for? They do it before they lift.

That's it.

That's it.

Let me do it again.

Let me do it again.

I was just about to say I'm about to cry. I'm about to pull a Khalil Rountree on y'all.

I was just about to say I'm about to cry. I'm about to pull a Khalil Rountree on y'all.

No, he's never shot a takedown in the UFC. Bruv, Khalil hits anybody.

No, he's never shot a takedown in the UFC. Bruv, Khalil hits anybody.

But, hey, like you said, Khalil, if he lands.

But, hey, like you said, Khalil, if he lands.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, for sure.

100%. 100%.

100%. 100%.

Define bicep.

Define bicep.

Man, I felt bad for him after that.

Man, I felt bad for him after that.

Who was the boy that knocked him out in Australia? Yeah.

Who was the boy that knocked him out in Australia? Yeah.

Yeah, for sure. He Roy Jonesed Roy Jones.

Yeah, for sure. He Roy Jonesed Roy Jones.

Yes.

Yes.

Yeah. Oh, my God. You know... Kevin Holland's coach used to work with him. Really? Yeah, they're like really good friends. That guy was a savage.

Yeah. Oh, my God. You know... Kevin Holland's coach used to work with him. Really? Yeah, they're like really good friends. That guy was a savage.

I don't think nobody had more one-punch power than Julian Jackson. No.

I don't think nobody had more one-punch power than Julian Jackson. No.

Oh, my God. I'm going to get my haircut like his.

Oh, my God. I'm going to get my haircut like his.

Yeah.

Yeah.

My goodness. He can't even look up. He's not even giving him a chance to get off.

My goodness. He can't even look up. He's not even giving him a chance to get off.

Well, you remember when Shudo used to do standing eight counts? Mm-hmm. Yeah, back in the day.

Well, you remember when Shudo used to do standing eight counts? Mm-hmm. Yeah, back in the day.

What would you bring them back for, stalling? Stalling. Yeah. That's probably about the only thing you should bring them back for, stalling. Like hanging out too long. Like, hey, man, get to work.

What would you bring them back for, stalling? Stalling. Yeah. That's probably about the only thing you should bring them back for, stalling. Like hanging out too long. Like, hey, man, get to work.

Right. Like, at this point, like, if you make the fight happen, just let them show up.

Right. Like, at this point, like, if you make the fight happen, just let them show up.

Yeah, I agree with you.

Yeah, I agree with you.

Well, I mean, you're right. So, like, Sean Brady and Gilbert Burns over the weekend.

Well, I mean, you're right. So, like, Sean Brady and Gilbert Burns over the weekend.

No, no, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Just let them fight at 190, right? These guys are 190 pounds. They walk into the cage at 190.

No, no, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Just let them fight at 190, right? These guys are 190 pounds. They walk into the cage at 190.

You can't get any heavier than 194, whatever.

You can't get any heavier than 194, whatever.

But how about what they did to Mikey Musumichi?

But how about what they did to Mikey Musumichi?

he got fucked on his situation well I mean he was going up in weight to fight Cade Rotolo so he went up to 170 and then like a couple days like a week before they're like no you gotta go back down to 135 Cade Rotolo's out and he's the champion and they treated him like this and they're like you gotta go back down and cut 30 pounds he gets sick cutting 30 pounds well he almost died they took his belt and then they took his belt

he got fucked on his situation well I mean he was going up in weight to fight Cade Rotolo so he went up to 170 and then like a couple days like a week before they're like no you gotta go back down to 135 Cade Rotolo's out and he's the champion and they treated him like this and they're like you gotta go back down and cut 30 pounds he gets sick cutting 30 pounds well he almost died they took his belt and then they took his belt

They took his belt for missing weight. For missing weight. Wait a minute. Really? Yes, that's what I'm saying. One totally fucked him. I didn't hear that. Yes, they took his belt.

They took his belt for missing weight. For missing weight. Wait a minute. Really? Yes, that's what I'm saying. One totally fucked him. I didn't hear that. Yes, they took his belt.

Now, is he natural? I don't know.

Now, is he natural? I don't know.

Maybe.

Maybe.

In this organization, it does.

In this organization, it does.

See, another reason why weight cutting should be,

See, another reason why weight cutting should be,

Because we've seen deteriorations of performance because guys have had to clean up.

Because we've seen deteriorations of performance because guys have had to clean up.

Or how about Vitor when he was on?

Or how about Vitor when he was on?

Yeah, right? Baby. Traps up to his ears. I know, he had them turtle shells, boy.

Yeah, right? Baby. Traps up to his ears. I know, he had them turtle shells, boy.

And he wasn't a bad grappler. He had a good guillotine.

And he wasn't a bad grappler. He had a good guillotine.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I am not going to Juliana Pena this one.

I am not going to Juliana Pena this one.

The problem is the UFC has the ability to do this. No other organization would have the ability to do this.

The problem is the UFC has the ability to do this. No other organization would have the ability to do this.

That's the problem. The UFC obviously could do it at the PI. Every year, this is what we do. But no other regional level organizations would be able to do it, so it would be a little tougher.

That's the problem. The UFC obviously could do it at the PI. Every year, this is what we do. But no other regional level organizations would be able to do it, so it would be a little tougher.

North Carolina does that too. They have a limit.

North Carolina does that too. They have a limit.

Bro, he looked great. He looked great. Yeah, man. He's a hardworking kid. He's young. I know he was on this show before.

Bro, he looked great. He looked great. Yeah, man. He's a hardworking kid. He's young. I know he was on this show before.

305.

305.

Yeah, no, that shouldn't happen.

Yeah, no, that shouldn't happen.

Well, it's like Matt always says, play to your strengths.

Well, it's like Matt always says, play to your strengths.

It's easy to dismiss him, but I was there when he knocked out Tyron, and I was like, man, I'm done with this kid. I never wanted to corner another fight in my life, man. I was like, yo, he just knocked my boy flat out on his face, man. I was heartbroken.

It's easy to dismiss him, but I was there when he knocked out Tyron, and I was like, man, I'm done with this kid. I never wanted to corner another fight in my life, man. I was like, yo, he just knocked my boy flat out on his face, man. I was heartbroken.

And that's why, like, everybody's talking about this Mike Tyson thing. I was like, man, they should not be letting this thing happen.

And that's why, like, everybody's talking about this Mike Tyson thing. I was like, man, they should not be letting this thing happen.

Like, what other sport would we let a 58-year-old man compete other than golf?

Like, what other sport would we let a 58-year-old man compete other than golf?

Yeah, best case scenario for the world is that he knocks Jake Paul out.

Yeah, best case scenario for the world is that he knocks Jake Paul out.

How do you sanction that?

How do you sanction that?

Well, I mean, so when Hamzat fucked Gilbert, Hamzat was on top for a second. Right. And as soon as Gilbert started playing jiu-jitsu, Hamzat was like, get me the fuck out of here. He stood up quick.

Well, I mean, so when Hamzat fucked Gilbert, Hamzat was on top for a second. Right. And as soon as Gilbert started playing jiu-jitsu, Hamzat was like, get me the fuck out of here. He stood up quick.

Think of the smell that would happen.

Think of the smell that would happen.

Is that Michael Fassbender?

Is that Michael Fassbender?

There were no leg locks.

There were no leg locks.

No matter where it is. They want him to have a British accent.

No matter where it is. They want him to have a British accent.

But if you see a movie about it, it was English with an English accent. Right.

But if you see a movie about it, it was English with an English accent. Right.

It was pretty stale, but Brady can hang with anybody on the ground. He's so strong, he can hang with anybody.

It was pretty stale, but Brady can hang with anybody on the ground. He's so strong, he can hang with anybody.

20.

20.

Right, yeah, no doubt.

Right, yeah, no doubt.

Yeah, you didn't think it was going to kill you. I grew up on that shit.

Yeah, you didn't think it was going to kill you. I grew up on that shit.

And if I had no milk, I had Kool-Aid in there to add to my sugar.

And if I had no milk, I had Kool-Aid in there to add to my sugar.

Well, that's what Paul Felder does after a long bike ride. He would talk about drinking a soda.

Well, that's what Paul Felder does after a long bike ride. He would talk about drinking a soda.

Yeah, he was built different, too.

Yeah, he was built different, too.

Yeah, smarter than everybody else.

Yeah, smarter than everybody else.

Think about how good defensively you have to be. That we can count how many times you've been cracked.

Think about how good defensively you have to be. That we can count how many times you've been cracked.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, for sure.

Was that when he hit him with the elbow?

Was that when he hit him with the elbow?

That's a death sentence almost.

That's a death sentence almost.

That's the fucking elbow.

That's the fucking elbow.

And that fight, I think, would inspire Chris Padilla to use the elbow against Ron Zu over the weekend. Really? Yeah, and busted his eye wide open. They stopped the fight because of that. That's interesting.

And that fight, I think, would inspire Chris Padilla to use the elbow against Ron Zu over the weekend. Really? Yeah, and busted his eye wide open. They stopped the fight because of that. That's interesting.

100%.

100%.

When is that? That's in Madison Square Garden.

When is that? That's in Madison Square Garden.

He's got like his own people with like Brian Barberina and those guys.

He's got like his own people with like Brian Barberina and those guys.

I can't watch it.

I can't watch it.

I mean, I just don't understand how they thought this was going to solve the problem. They were like, new gloves! And our guys are still getting poked in the eye.

I mean, I just don't understand how they thought this was going to solve the problem. They were like, new gloves! And our guys are still getting poked in the eye.

I think you should just use Trevor Whitman's glove.

I think you should just use Trevor Whitman's glove.

I do, too.

I do, too.

No, no, no, no, no, no. He left the job so he could work on them gloves. So you might as well give him the love for that.

No, no, no, no, no, no. He left the job so he could work on them gloves. So you might as well give him the love for that.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, for sure.

They're like, not only that, D. Thomas has your fucking other job now.

They're like, not only that, D. Thomas has your fucking other job now.

Dean, you do a good job with that. Yeah, you do.

Dean, you do a good job with that. Yeah, you do.

How do you plan that out, Scott? I got to, man, because I'm working with y'all. That's Joe Rogan, D.C. I got to have my own thing.

How do you plan that out, Scott? I got to, man, because I'm working with y'all. That's Joe Rogan, D.C. I got to have my own thing.

Yeah, I got to show up somehow.

Yeah, I got to show up somehow.

He is a bad motherfucker.

He is a bad motherfucker.

Who did Manuel Torres fight his last fight? He beat the hell out of somebody last time. He did.

Who did Manuel Torres fight his last fight? He beat the hell out of somebody last time. He did.

I think so, too. I think he's going to beat old boy in a couple weeks, too.

I think so, too. I think he's going to beat old boy in a couple weeks, too.

He's going to beat Mofsar in a couple weeks.

He's going to beat Mofsar in a couple weeks.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's going to be a wild fight.

It's going to be a wild fight.

Zell Huber is an assassin, too. I was getting ready to say that's going to be another banger.

Zell Huber is an assassin, too. I was getting ready to say that's going to be another banger.

I think it's going to live up to it. I mean, they got a lot of hype on the sphere. And, like, the names may not be there, but all these guys are bangers.

I think it's going to live up to it. I mean, they got a lot of hype on the sphere. And, like, the names may not be there, but all these guys are bangers.

Right. Yeah, he was good off his back.

Right. Yeah, he was good off his back.

I think they should. I was at the Apex all week last week, and it's so secretive.

I think they should. I was at the Apex all week last week, and it's so secretive.

That's what I think.

That's what I think.

So the guys would want to take him down, and then he'd throw up that triangle.

So the guys would want to take him down, and then he'd throw up that triangle.

Yeah, so it's like it's just been like crazy.

Yeah, so it's like it's just been like crazy.

It was kind of embarrassing.

It was kind of embarrassing.

Poor Leach, though. Leach can't... I mean, they just feed him to everybody.

Poor Leach, though. Leach can't... I mean, they just feed him to everybody.

Who did he just fight, Leach? Carlos Prates.

Who did he just fight, Leach? Carlos Prates.

Well, they're getting so much help from the UFC prior. Right. You know, like, especially, like, if you have, like, the PI behind you, like, a Mexicoder, like, sponsoring these guys.

Well, they're getting so much help from the UFC prior. Right. You know, like, especially, like, if you have, like, the PI behind you, like, a Mexicoder, like, sponsoring these guys.

You know what's weird? In karate combat, you can't throw it to the thigh. It has to be a calf kick. That's ridiculous. Yeah. It's weird to me. I'm like, what?

You know what's weird? In karate combat, you can't throw it to the thigh. It has to be a calf kick. That's ridiculous. Yeah. It's weird to me. I'm like, what?

What do you mean you can't throw it to the thigh? You can't. It's illegal to kick above the knee in karate combat.

What do you mean you can't throw it to the thigh? You can't. It's illegal to kick above the knee in karate combat.

Not sure why.

Not sure why.

Not sure why that's a rule, but that's a rule.

Not sure why that's a rule, but that's a rule.

You ground and pound until you stop.

You ground and pound until you stop.

Yeah, you can ground and pound until you stop.

Yeah, you can ground and pound until you stop.

Right, but you can't kick to the thigh.

Right, but you can't kick to the thigh.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You hate it?

You hate it?

It's horrible to watch, but you've got to defend it. It's not like you can't defend it. You've got to defend it.

It's horrible to watch, but you've got to defend it. It's not like you can't defend it. You've got to defend it.

I mean, not only that, but they was doing like spinning wheel kicks to the head with just hitting you with the heel.

I mean, not only that, but they was doing like spinning wheel kicks to the head with just hitting you with the heel.

You wear shin pads for a reason to protect, but then you're doing a spinning kick where there's no protection.

You wear shin pads for a reason to protect, but then you're doing a spinning kick where there's no protection.

Jesus Christ. But when he was in his prime, it was like BJ and then everybody else. Yes, for sure.

Jesus Christ. But when he was in his prime, it was like BJ and then everybody else. Yes, for sure.

Who was the guy that left them wires there? Hopefully they fired that guy because he ruined history. There's always going to be wires.

Who was the guy that left them wires there? Hopefully they fired that guy because he ruined history. There's always going to be wires.

Yeah, man, full disclosure, like at the end of my career when I was fighting at 45, I was like, I'll fight anybody but Aldo.

Yeah, man, full disclosure, like at the end of my career when I was fighting at 45, I was like, I'll fight anybody but Aldo.

He did have his moments.

He did have his moments.

Oh, Gregor Gillespie.

Oh, Gregor Gillespie.

And that's the thing. A fighter's window is only open for so long.

And that's the thing. A fighter's window is only open for so long.

Do what you can when your window is open.

Do what you can when your window is open.

I think it's shorter than nine. I think it's about five years where you're just like, in it. Like, you in it. Let's get it right now. Yeah.

I think it's shorter than nine. I think it's about five years where you're just like, in it. Like, you in it. Let's get it right now. Yeah.

And then afterwards, it's like, man, it's not...

And then afterwards, it's like, man, it's not...

He's game.

He's game.

Talk about being tough enough to take a beating.

Talk about being tough enough to take a beating.

Yeah, I know.

Yeah, I know.

And it's crazy because I'm sitting right behind you guys and I'm watching you guys' natural reactions. It's such a natural reaction. And I know you guys take a lot of shit and they make memes about you guys, but watching you do it in those moments is the best thing ever.

Max would be giving us some moments, right?

Well, he's got plenty of time to kind of time it out.

So I think it's going to help him.

Because Ilya will expose you.

I know. You see the video of him hitting in mitts? I saw his, even his brother hit like that. Really? I watched his brother hit mitts and I was like, God damn.

Yeah, that's crispy.

But here's the thing with Max is Max's movement.

Like, Max ain't going to be there for that. Nope.

Yeah.

Right, for sure.

And it shouldn't. They take advantage of MMA guys because they know we crazy.

In hindsight, it was a bad idea, but in his mind, he's thinking, this is an opportunity for me to become a legend.

So had that been different for Aspinall, we'd have been like, yo, he shouldn't have took that fight.

And it's so spontaneous, too. Even when I'm watching fights now, when it happens, I always have this response of be ready to look away because if a leg snaps, I don't want to see that.

That's what I'm saying. He's not a bad fighter.

No, I'd put him in there with the winner of Moicano and Saint-Denis. That's a good fight.

Moikano's got really good jiu-jitsu. I saw him ball up Chase Hooper. In a grappling tournament. Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, it's proof that you don't need it. You don't need to cross that line.

Well, I mean, at the end of the day, like, people are attracted to violence. Yeah. And at the end, like, even Robbie Lawler, like, people love Robbie, and he never said, he hated doing it.

This is easily the best fight of all time.

Yeah, yeah.

He said if it was that cheap that people would stop pirating.

Yeah, let's go with protect your neck.

Yeah. I didn't know they were going to start with Canelo, although they were starting with Betterbeef, but that's a fight.

They were talking about doing that for like 15 bucks.

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Yeah, the theme song's already done for us.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

But think about his come up, man. He was able to come up this year without talking shit.

All these fighters think they gotta talk shit to come up. He did it by just stepping up to the plate and fighting and knocking motherfuckers out. He doesn't even smile.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, but Jamal, I talked to Jamal about that. Like, Jamal called all of us on the broadcast. He was like, yo. And he was like, he stepped on and got the angle, and I couldn't move because Herb Dean was there.

Yeah, no doubt.

Oh, it is.

I got to tell you. You know what it was? I've been listening to you motherfuckers telling me to get an iPhone, and I don't know how to work it. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, here we go.

But he also put his hand on the outside of Jamal's hand to clear the angle for him to throw the left hook over top of it.

Man.

Yeah, I know. Khalil knocked out my boy Anthony Smith, had him in slow motion.

I mean, we're going to find out. But do you think the UFC would want Khalil to be champ? You know what I'm saying? Why not? Well, he just don't really have, like, that championship thing about him. Where, like, you go, oh, that's my champ right there. Like, he don't really have that.

He's sensitive. He's a sensitive guy. You don't cry? You know what I'm saying?

I'm not saying there's something wrong with it. I'm just saying, is that the guy that we want holding the belt?

So this is real Planet of the Apes type shit.

Ever.

You wear these.

Just don't wear nothing. That way you could cheat, too.

But yeah, he was the man in Peaky Blinders.

But Matt, I know exactly the thing you're talking about.

So they just stole the whole thing?

You even have a DVD player? I do. How the fuck do you have a DVD player?

I just don't know anybody with a DVD player. That's like VHS. I don't have that.

I know. I never had Max. I just got Max just so I could watch that shit. Season two. Dude, it's good. Yeah, it is good. I ain't gonna lie. It is good. It's a real good show.

I never thought about that.

So I got to ask you, because you know Murab better than anybody here, I'm sure. Yes. From that, when I see him now, he's just a different animal. A complete different character. Has he always been this type of character?

You've never seen it?

I've never even heard of it until you just said it right now.

Phenomenal movie. But does American Gangster count?

Everybody's like, what the fuck's wrong with him?

Damn.

Could take over a whole city.

Yeah, like if he did Bare Knuckle when he was younger, he would have been perfect for it.

Yeah, Kimbo.

But think about that. But that goes for all of us, right? Because we all kind of came from the same shit from back in the day, right? And then me and Matt, we still in the game. But then look at guys like him and Phil Barone.

I was working with him last week when I was with Brady and him. And we were doing elbows. And my wrist still ain't the same right now.

Pfeiffer is going to be up there with the best of them.

And I got to give props to John Marquez out in Philly. John Marquez would be putting it together. He'd be putting in work with them guys.

Well, that's why I put on some weight. That's why I'm trying to get over 200, just so I can posture on them back.

Had Leon making excuses about the time change. Put it that way.

He's still like that too, man. He's still hungry. He's still down to earth. He ain't get all high class.

I'm like, what's wrong with you, man? You're supposed to cuss. He's crazy.

And he doesn't have time to go on another run.

He's got to be 37 now. How old is Kamaru?

37.

And you got them badass knees, too, man.

See, I got to do that because holding pads for people, oh, it tears your shoulders up.

He like jabbed him or something.

That's Kamaru Usman, Jorge Masvidal. Yeah.

Oh, 100%. Which is more natural to them. Right. Speaking of crack, Mark Delegretti says that you have the hardest kick that he's ever held for. Ooh. And that's something... Yeah, that's very nice to help for a lot of people. I kick pretty hard. Yeah. Not a lot of people might give you that credit for that.

So the smelling salts will get me looking like that?

I think you liked me. I think I have to take a shit. That'll cure snoring, for sure.

So what do people do to smelling salts for? They do it before they lift.

That's it.

Let me do it again.

I was just about to say I'm about to cry. I'm about to pull a Khalil Rountree on y'all.

No, he's never shot a takedown in the UFC. Bruv, Khalil hits anybody.

But, hey, like you said, Khalil, if he lands.

Yeah, for sure.

100%. 100%.

Define bicep.

Man, I felt bad for him after that.

Who was the boy that knocked him out in Australia? Yeah.

Yeah, for sure. He Roy Jonesed Roy Jones.

Yes.

Yeah. Oh, my God. You know... Kevin Holland's coach used to work with him. Really? Yeah, they're like really good friends. That guy was a savage.

I don't think nobody had more one-punch power than Julian Jackson. No.

Oh, my God. I'm going to get my haircut like his.

Yeah.

My goodness. He can't even look up. He's not even giving him a chance to get off.

Well, you remember when Shudo used to do standing eight counts? Mm-hmm. Yeah, back in the day.

What would you bring them back for, stalling? Stalling. Yeah. That's probably about the only thing you should bring them back for, stalling. Like hanging out too long. Like, hey, man, get to work.

Right. Like, at this point, like, if you make the fight happen, just let them show up.

Yeah, I agree with you.

Well, I mean, you're right. So, like, Sean Brady and Gilbert Burns over the weekend.

No, no, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Just let them fight at 190, right? These guys are 190 pounds. They walk into the cage at 190.

You can't get any heavier than 194, whatever.

But how about what they did to Mikey Musumichi?

he got fucked on his situation well I mean he was going up in weight to fight Cade Rotolo so he went up to 170 and then like a couple days like a week before they're like no you gotta go back down to 135 Cade Rotolo's out and he's the champion and they treated him like this and they're like you gotta go back down and cut 30 pounds he gets sick cutting 30 pounds well he almost died they took his belt and then they took his belt

They took his belt for missing weight. For missing weight. Wait a minute. Really? Yes, that's what I'm saying. One totally fucked him. I didn't hear that. Yes, they took his belt.

Now, is he natural? I don't know.

Maybe.

In this organization, it does.

See, another reason why weight cutting should be,

Because we've seen deteriorations of performance because guys have had to clean up.

Or how about Vitor when he was on?

Yeah, right? Baby. Traps up to his ears. I know, he had them turtle shells, boy.

And he wasn't a bad grappler. He had a good guillotine.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I am not going to Juliana Pena this one.

The problem is the UFC has the ability to do this. No other organization would have the ability to do this.

That's the problem. The UFC obviously could do it at the PI. Every year, this is what we do. But no other regional level organizations would be able to do it, so it would be a little tougher.

North Carolina does that too. They have a limit.

Bro, he looked great. He looked great. Yeah, man. He's a hardworking kid. He's young. I know he was on this show before.

305.

Yeah, no, that shouldn't happen.

Well, it's like Matt always says, play to your strengths.

It's easy to dismiss him, but I was there when he knocked out Tyron, and I was like, man, I'm done with this kid. I never wanted to corner another fight in my life, man. I was like, yo, he just knocked my boy flat out on his face, man. I was heartbroken.

And that's why, like, everybody's talking about this Mike Tyson thing. I was like, man, they should not be letting this thing happen.

Like, what other sport would we let a 58-year-old man compete other than golf?

Yeah, best case scenario for the world is that he knocks Jake Paul out.

How do you sanction that?

Well, I mean, so when Hamzat fucked Gilbert, Hamzat was on top for a second. Right. And as soon as Gilbert started playing jiu-jitsu, Hamzat was like, get me the fuck out of here. He stood up quick.

Think of the smell that would happen.

Is that Michael Fassbender?

There were no leg locks.

No matter where it is. They want him to have a British accent.

But if you see a movie about it, it was English with an English accent. Right.

It was pretty stale, but Brady can hang with anybody on the ground. He's so strong, he can hang with anybody.

20.

Right, yeah, no doubt.

Yeah, you didn't think it was going to kill you. I grew up on that shit.

And if I had no milk, I had Kool-Aid in there to add to my sugar.

Well, that's what Paul Felder does after a long bike ride. He would talk about drinking a soda.

Yeah, he was built different, too.

Yeah, smarter than everybody else.

Think about how good defensively you have to be. That we can count how many times you've been cracked.

Yeah, for sure.

Was that when he hit him with the elbow?

That's a death sentence almost.

That's the fucking elbow.

And that fight, I think, would inspire Chris Padilla to use the elbow against Ron Zu over the weekend. Really? Yeah, and busted his eye wide open. They stopped the fight because of that. That's interesting.

100%.

When is that? That's in Madison Square Garden.

He's got like his own people with like Brian Barberina and those guys.

I can't watch it.

I mean, I just don't understand how they thought this was going to solve the problem. They were like, new gloves! And our guys are still getting poked in the eye.

I think you should just use Trevor Whitman's glove.

I do, too.

No, no, no, no, no, no. He left the job so he could work on them gloves. So you might as well give him the love for that.

Yeah, for sure.

They're like, not only that, D. Thomas has your fucking other job now.

Dean, you do a good job with that. Yeah, you do.

How do you plan that out, Scott? I got to, man, because I'm working with y'all. That's Joe Rogan, D.C. I got to have my own thing.

Yeah, I got to show up somehow.

He is a bad motherfucker.

Who did Manuel Torres fight his last fight? He beat the hell out of somebody last time. He did.

I think so, too. I think he's going to beat old boy in a couple weeks, too.

He's going to beat Mofsar in a couple weeks.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's going to be a wild fight.

Zell Huber is an assassin, too. I was getting ready to say that's going to be another banger.

I think it's going to live up to it. I mean, they got a lot of hype on the sphere. And, like, the names may not be there, but all these guys are bangers.

Right. Yeah, he was good off his back.

I think they should. I was at the Apex all week last week, and it's so secretive.

That's what I think.

So the guys would want to take him down, and then he'd throw up that triangle.

Yeah, so it's like it's just been like crazy.

It was kind of embarrassing.

Poor Leach, though. Leach can't... I mean, they just feed him to everybody.

Who did he just fight, Leach? Carlos Prates.

Well, they're getting so much help from the UFC prior. Right. You know, like, especially, like, if you have, like, the PI behind you, like, a Mexicoder, like, sponsoring these guys.

You know what's weird? In karate combat, you can't throw it to the thigh. It has to be a calf kick. That's ridiculous. Yeah. It's weird to me. I'm like, what?

What do you mean you can't throw it to the thigh? You can't. It's illegal to kick above the knee in karate combat.

Not sure why.

Not sure why that's a rule, but that's a rule.

You ground and pound until you stop.

Yeah, you can ground and pound until you stop.

Right, but you can't kick to the thigh.

Yeah.

You hate it?

It's horrible to watch, but you've got to defend it. It's not like you can't defend it. You've got to defend it.

I mean, not only that, but they was doing like spinning wheel kicks to the head with just hitting you with the heel.

You wear shin pads for a reason to protect, but then you're doing a spinning kick where there's no protection.

Jesus Christ. But when he was in his prime, it was like BJ and then everybody else. Yes, for sure.

Who was the guy that left them wires there? Hopefully they fired that guy because he ruined history. There's always going to be wires.

Yeah, man, full disclosure, like at the end of my career when I was fighting at 45, I was like, I'll fight anybody but Aldo.

He did have his moments.

Oh, Gregor Gillespie.

And that's the thing. A fighter's window is only open for so long.

Do what you can when your window is open.

I think it's shorter than nine. I think it's about five years where you're just like, in it. Like, you in it. Let's get it right now. Yeah.

And then afterwards, it's like, man, it's not...

He's game.

Talk about being tough enough to take a beating.

Yeah, I know.