Kevin Sands

I was wild and crazy, and I've done a lot of wild and crazy shit, but I don't have the balls on me to go burn down houses, dude. This is Mark's son, Kevin Sands, from his first marriage. I think he felt bad about... Kevin has a different idea about what really drove his dad. Absolutely not.

I was wild and crazy, and I've done a lot of wild and crazy shit, but I don't have the balls on me to go burn down houses, dude. This is Mark's son, Kevin Sands, from his first marriage. I think he felt bad about... Kevin has a different idea about what really drove his dad. Absolutely not.

I'm like, no, no, no, dude. You guys are fucking tripping, dude. I don't know what you're talking about. But in my head, I thought something was up right then.

I'm like, no, no, no, dude. You guys are fucking tripping, dude. I don't know what you're talking about. But in my head, I thought something was up right then.

He ran the law. He was in and out a lot of hours. He was just like really weird, you know what I mean? On the surface, he could be charming. My dad was very approachable, very friendly with people. I think that's probably why he got away with it for so long.

He ran the law. He was in and out a lot of hours. He was just like really weird, you know what I mean? On the surface, he could be charming. My dad was very approachable, very friendly with people. I think that's probably why he got away with it for so long.

I would call it more Good Samaritan type stuff rather than environmentalism.

I would call it more Good Samaritan type stuff rather than environmentalism.

whole bible quilting was kind of a shocker too according to kevin mark was actually not particularly religious before prison despite all that thou shalt not desecrate god's creation stuff they went to church they would do some bible study stuff but he would drink a beer he would run with their shirt off they probably tend to be more liberal in a lot of ways

whole bible quilting was kind of a shocker too according to kevin mark was actually not particularly religious before prison despite all that thou shalt not desecrate god's creation stuff they went to church they would do some bible study stuff but he would drink a beer he would run with their shirt off they probably tend to be more liberal in a lot of ways

I lived with him at different times. We definitely had a rollercoaster relationship, for sure. I mean, he left my mom when I was five.

I lived with him at different times. We definitely had a rollercoaster relationship, for sure. I mean, he left my mom when I was five.

The very first house cut right into his running trail. And I think that's what planted the seed, the encroachment on his trail. His trail.

The very first house cut right into his running trail. And I think that's what planted the seed, the encroachment on his trail. His trail.

I remember my dad telling me, that dumbass left at 6.01, that house got burned down at 6.03. It was almost like a personal challenge. The second fire was just petty. Mark refused to let Lee win.

I remember my dad telling me, that dumbass left at 6.01, that house got burned down at 6.03. It was almost like a personal challenge. The second fire was just petty. Mark refused to let Lee win.

He saved everything like a fucking scrapbook. Every article, every single thing, he would cut it out of the newspaper and he saved it. He definitely got addicted to the attention.

He saved everything like a fucking scrapbook. Every article, every single thing, he would cut it out of the newspaper and he saved it. He definitely got addicted to the attention.

He said, look, son, I was trying to bring awareness, but people were more upset about the fire than the loss of Preserve.

He said, look, son, I was trying to bring awareness, but people were more upset about the fire than the loss of Preserve.

He was having a hard time finding a job. He was striking out a lot of interviews. That generation of people, the man's supposed to be the leader of the house, whatever, but my stepmom was the breadwinner.

He was having a hard time finding a job. He was striking out a lot of interviews. That generation of people, the man's supposed to be the leader of the house, whatever, but my stepmom was the breadwinner.

He was a bomber escort pre-Normandy. He got shot down, and he spent his time in prisoner of war camp

He was a bomber escort pre-Normandy. He got shot down, and he spent his time in prisoner of war camp

She suffered from postpartum depression. Back then, if you had postpartum depression, they locked you up.

She suffered from postpartum depression. Back then, if you had postpartum depression, they locked you up.

When he got out of prison, all he cared about was helping the homeless. Anything that he got, he would just go donate. And that's what I want him to be remembered by.

When he got out of prison, all he cared about was helping the homeless. Anything that he got, he would just go donate. And that's what I want him to be remembered by.

I was the only one by his side when he died. He was unconscious. I read him the Bible. I just talked to him about like things I was doing in school and my internship and my stepson's football games. I told him about how we were up in the mountains fishing and took some video of it. I looked up, he opened his eyes. I showed him the video. He took his last breath.

I was the only one by his side when he died. He was unconscious. I read him the Bible. I just talked to him about like things I was doing in school and my internship and my stepson's football games. I told him about how we were up in the mountains fishing and took some video of it. I looked up, he opened his eyes. I showed him the video. He took his last breath.

And it was like a lifetime of resentment and disappointment. This pretty much ended right there.

And it was like a lifetime of resentment and disappointment. This pretty much ended right there.

I thought, you know, they're smarter than me. They're going to be investigating it.

I thought, you know, they're smarter than me. They're going to be investigating it.

Yeah, I do. I do now.

Yeah, I do. I do now.

It's always been the three of us.

It's always been the three of us.

Very creative, very kind. She thinks a lot with a great sense of humor.

Very creative, very kind. She thinks a lot with a great sense of humor.

She was graduating from high school that June.

She was graduating from high school that June.

He came to the door, talked to her a bit.

He came to the door, talked to her a bit.

Mark was the welcome basket person in the neighborhood.

Mark was the welcome basket person in the neighborhood.

He would deliver a plant, maybe a card, from the association when you moved into the neighborhood.

He would deliver a plant, maybe a card, from the association when you moved into the neighborhood.

I think she did play with him once, but she said, I didn't feel comfortable around him. She said, I got a really creepy feeling from him. And then he wanted her to go running with him.

I think she did play with him once, but she said, I didn't feel comfortable around him. She said, I got a really creepy feeling from him. And then he wanted her to go running with him.

I just had an impression of him as a weird kind of guy, mainly because, you know, what 40-something-year-old man pursues my daughter to play tennis?

I just had an impression of him as a weird kind of guy, mainly because, you know, what 40-something-year-old man pursues my daughter to play tennis?

I had been told that he had been caught in backyards.

I had been told that he had been caught in backyards.

If I went out in the early morning to put my trash bin out, there was Mark. Or at night, he was out, odd times. And so I just see him, you know?

If I went out in the early morning to put my trash bin out, there was Mark. Or at night, he was out, odd times. And so I just see him, you know?

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

It was on the tip of my tongue because I just suspected Mark Sands.

It was on the tip of my tongue because I just suspected Mark Sands.

I thought, you know, they're smarter than me. They're going to be investigating it.

I thought, you know, they're smarter than me. They're going to be investigating it.

Yeah, I do. I do now. And I probably regret it more after I found out that he was photographing my daughter.

Yeah, I do. I do now. And I probably regret it more after I found out that he was photographing my daughter.

She came up to me one day and she said, they're looking for a house that Mark Sands was videotaping.

She came up to me one day and she said, they're looking for a house that Mark Sands was videotaping.

And she said, you look just like the girl in the picture. Because my daughter and I looked very much alike.

And she said, you look just like the girl in the picture. Because my daughter and I looked very much alike.

He showed me the picture taken of my daughter in her bedroom.

He showed me the picture taken of my daughter in her bedroom.

He's outside in my yard taking pictures of my daughter undressing in her bedroom.

He's outside in my yard taking pictures of my daughter undressing in her bedroom.

sitting in those chaise lounge chairs, kind of how you sit with your knees up or something, obviously trying to zero in on the crotch as they're sitting in the chair. I just felt horrified, sick to my stomach. There's a variety of ways of being violated. It doesn't have to be physical. For her, that was a huge violation. I had to get blinds because she just

sitting in those chaise lounge chairs, kind of how you sit with your knees up or something, obviously trying to zero in on the crotch as they're sitting in the chair. I just felt horrified, sick to my stomach. There's a variety of ways of being violated. It doesn't have to be physical. For her, that was a huge violation. I had to get blinds because she just

was so unnerved about being in a house with lights.

was so unnerved about being in a house with lights.

When she speaks, it comes out in a flood. When I sit on the phone, they're doing a podcast. She goes, I want to talk to them.

When she speaks, it comes out in a flood. When I sit on the phone, they're doing a podcast. She goes, I want to talk to them.

It affected her more than the fires, the fact that somebody was photographing you outside your window, especially when you're 18.

It affected her more than the fires, the fact that somebody was photographing you outside your window, especially when you're 18.

I was glad at the time we didn't want the publicity for that.

I was glad at the time we didn't want the publicity for that.

She was really upset because it just sounded like he did nothing. He was going to live a lovely life hereafter, irrespective of what he had done to her. I just think of him as an ugly, despicable piece of human being.

She was really upset because it just sounded like he did nothing. He was going to live a lovely life hereafter, irrespective of what he had done to her. I just think of him as an ugly, despicable piece of human being.

Have you spoken to Mark Sands?

Have you spoken to Mark Sands?

Oh, I didn't know that.

Oh, I didn't know that.

I just think of him as an ugly, despicable human being.

I just think of him as an ugly, despicable human being.