Kevin McKernan
Appearances
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
it was really um ironically through francis collins who we'll probably get to later and the pitch there was we want to go to personalized medicine we want to sequence everyone's genome figure out their differences and and drug them accordingly instead of this let's build one drug test it on 10 000 people and and send it across the entire globe and hope it works right the idea was no we're going to get more precision about this we're going to actually when you have cancer sequence your genome and then sequence the the genome of your tumor which will be different in most cases
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
and see if we can find druggable differences that will kill the tumor and not kill the patient. And some of those started to occur in that timeframe. There was one drug called Orissa that was specific to, it failed as a drug until they discovered, I think it was Dan Haber up at MGH that did this and Matthew Myerson, Dana Farber.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
They discovered that if you took that drug and actually looked at people's EGFR receptors, there was like a 15 base pair insert, a deletion inside that gene that if you had it, the drug worked. And if you didn't, it did not work. So the drug failed on population-wide. But if you isolated the people and sequenced them first, you had remarkable success rates with the drug.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So it rescued a drug just by knowing the genetics of the population to put it on.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So that was really the whole goal of the Human Genome Project was to do that a thousand times over and do that in every disease is can we target these drugs so that we're not sloppily – you know, blanketing the population with drugs that we test on small populations and they blow up on us when we hit, you know, different, different, um, haplogroups or different populations out there.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
If you want to compare it to cannabis plants were completely inbred and should be walking backwards. Yes. Yeah. So, you know, maybe there's a million variants maybe between, uh, any given individual, uh, So it's like a variant for every thousand or something? Yeah, it's a fair number.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Now that we have better sequencers, some would argue maybe it's more like one in every 500 if you include some of these insertions and deletions and longer structural variations that we couldn't see very well back then with the technology we had that initially did the Human Genome Project.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But 20 years on, as we are now, we now have completely different technology to survey genomes that are remarkable compared to what we had before. And we can see much more variation now than we could then. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, we're not at the level of cannabis plants, all right? Right, right. Cannabis plants are their own beast.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And so everyone is sneaking forms of psychoactive THC through the hemp bill into all of these states that only have medical because there's a rec market there that wants it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
The polymorphism rate is – that's a good question.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah, mostly in sub-Saharan Africa.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yes. As Neanderthal came out and the Denisovans played a role in some of this. So they're still piecing some of that structure together with paleogenomics. So there's a whole field where you can go back and sequence things that are old. Like I was involved in one sequencing Utsi, the mummy, which they found frozen in ice that was probably 5,000 years old up in the Alps. Oh, really?
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Just to understand what were the genetics like back then. I think they, interestingly enough, found Lyme disease in that guy. Really? That's something that shocked everyone because everyone believed that was a new world. And this guy was from 3000 BC?
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Something like that, yeah. It's about 5,000 years ago. Yeah, that sounds about right. There's another, Pablo, what's Pablo's last name? There's a really good paleogenomicist I'm forgetting, but he actually, I think he maybe even got a Nobel Prize, so I should know this. It'll come up. But he has done a lot of work in developing the methods that make it possible to sequence DNA that's that old.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Because when DNA gets that old, it tends to break down in a particular manner, in a predictable manner. And you have to be aware of that in order to sequence it. And he's been very good at getting like woolly mammoth to sequence in a variety of old things. So you can begin to put that back together. Svante Pabo. There he is. Yes. I forgot his first name.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
um so yeah he's a real pioneer in being able to do this uh this type of work but um that helps um bring the picture back but you're right we are a a diaspora that came through a bottleneck and um which is one reason why many people on the genome project were um i think there's a strong message in here that that this this idea of um race differences is actually irrelevant when you look at the genomes right do we have any idea when that bottleneck occurred
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And so the whole Amendment 3 thing is a real kabuki theater because they were kind of shutting down moving the medical market here that is actually using tested and tracked material, moving that into the rec market so that you would have tested and tracked material in the rec market. And now that that's blocked, the hemp market is going to just swell in here and take over.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
I think there is – probably 100,000 years ago was when the diaspora was most extreme. Although you can find obviously hominids back a million years. They go as far back as Australopithecus. We haven't gotten sequence from material that's that old. I think some of the records and sequencing are probably – 50 or 100,000 years. I haven't kept directly up to speed with it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Svante probably has the record on the oldest thing ever sequenced. But that's – yeah, I haven't kept up with the human population genomics story there because in some ways it's very boring. Yeah. It's, as you said, there's not a lot to it. We all came from a fairly recent ancestor.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And it's, you know, you can't find some interesting things about the genetics that change with lactose tolerance based on when we think we went through, you know, when we began to get involved in agriculture and a more, you know, farm-based lifestyle. So there are some, you know, genetics that
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
No, I mean, the thing that's really unique about humans is that we're very adaptable and we can move. And as a result, I think, you'll find that our genomes aren't nearly as complex as plants. Plants are sessile, so they're stuck. When the environment changes, they can't run away from it. They have to carry a lot more genomic tricks in their bag to compensate for it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So, in fact, there's a very good and interesting piece of work I'd forward you to from David Sinclair, who works on a lot of this longevity stuff. Yeah. He was digging around in the xenohormesis field, which I think is fascinating. It's kind of an intersection of cannabis and human genetics.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Plants, as we became agriculturally centered as a society, and this has probably happened long before that occurred, but plants have this capacity of making secondary metabolites that signal to the organisms that eat them and spread their seed around They give information about the environment.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So a lot of the secondary metabolites that you'll find in plants when they're stressed will signal to the organism that consumes them to prepare with caloric restriction. So you'll see many of the compounds that hit the rapamycin pathway and the mTOR pathway are polyphenols and flavonoids and things plants create when they're stressed out. Whoa.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So this is one of these, this is something we pay attention to in the cannabis field, because if you want to get very diverse chemotypes of plants, you can't grow them in perfectly happy environments. Like you actually want to stress them to some extent so that you get anthocyanins to come up. When you stress them, you tend to get different terpene profiles.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And I wouldn't be surprised if truly these other companies just say, screw it, throw in the towel and start calling their stuff hemp. and selling it. And then they don't have the same cost structure, testing oversight, and understanding of what's actually in the product. So net, I think it's worse for consumers what they did because they don't have... The one selling aspect...
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
You tend to get cannabinoids are coming off that same pathway. And how would you stress them? Well, in some ways, you never let them see pollen. That makes them stressful. Okay. So they end up growing really large flowers waiting for pollen. So the way to get the highest THC loads are to never let them see pollen, at least for the females. And you can also do it with light cycles.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
You can do it with temperature and pH and other types of treatments in the soil that will – alter its actual secondary metabolite profile, so you get a different chemotype for the plant. That might be important in the way people are making oils for cancer.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Cancer is oftentimes a scenario where you need to grab onto the mTOR pathway or the rapamycin pathway and just change the metabolism of the organism, and you need to feed them with these extracts that are from plants that are stressed. Yeah, it's a wild world. It is wild.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Oh, interesting.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Oh, really?
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Anyways, count on the CIA to torture things, right?
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So we got in this big race with Craig Venter to sequence the human genome as quickly as possible. Right, right, right. I was on the government side. And then when that came to a close, I ended up dropping out of a PhD program and starting a company.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
We started this company called Agincourt, which took a lot of the technologies we built in the genome project and commercialized them and started selling them to every biotech company that wanted to catch up, if you will, to what they were doing down at MIT to sequence this quickly.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So that company, a few years later, Francis Collins funded it for an obscene amount of money to be one of the five genome centers in the country. I think we were probably the only private one that was in there. It was Eric Lander at the Whitehead had one of the grants. Baylor had one of the grants with Richard Gibbs, who's a hilarious guy. You should have him on one day. And then there was St.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Louis, Wash U, St. Louis had a genome center, ours, and then Venture they also funded. So we ended up becoming a sequencing shop, specializing in that. And in the course of doing that, we decided to just change sequencing, like reinvent the whole thing and build a new sequencer. Also received a grant for that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So the Agicorp company got acquired in 2005 by Beckman Coulter for the genetics pipeline and all the magnetic bead tools we built to purify DNA. There are these little magnetic particles you can use to capture DNA and rip them out of solution. It's really handy for studying viruses. And everything else. And that was kind of the cornerstone of the IP that we had at Agincourt.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But when that happened, we also had played around with taking those beads and putting them down on glass slides under microscopes and sequencing DNA individually off of every single bead. So that we, instead of doing 96 things at a time, we're doing 100 million things at a time. It was a massively, just totally different way of doing it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
We couldn't get the read lengths that we're used to getting, which we used to be able to read like 600 bases or so with these older tools. But this thing, you can get like maybe 30 to 50 bases, but you can get 100 million of them at once in the same timeframe. So it was a total game changer in the sequencing field. Ultimately, we were getting genomes.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
of a regulated and tested market is that you know what's in the product. It's that they test it. They know there's no heavy metals, there's no pesticides. You know what the cannabinoid concentration actually is, and that's in fact THC and not some synthetic cannabinoid like spice that they popped in. All of those type of kitchen chemists sell things through the hemp market.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
They used to cost about $300 million to do the first human genome. And this thing was pumping them out at like $3,000. Whoa. And so once we had proof of principle of that working – We had to spin out a company, and this 19-person company got in a bidding war with Lumina and ABI, where we're the two largest genetic companies in the world, started having a bidding war over this company.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And they eventually acquired that company, and I went with that acquisition, and we started building those. These things were called solid sequences. We started putting them to the market, and the first people that were picking those up What were they called? What kind of sequencers? Solid. Solid sequencers. Yeah. Standard for sequencing by oligo ligation detection.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
We did sequencing a different way. I mean, most people use polymerases that grow DNA strands with enzymes on – in one direction. If you remember your biology, you have two DNA strands. And when they split, polymerases copy one strand. The other strand is replicated with something known as lagging strand synthesis. It's a different way of replicating DNA that your cells use.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So one gets done with polymerases. The other side gets done with ligases. All the IP in the world was covered on the polymerase front. That's what everyone had been using since Fred Sanger. And so we realized that that's just a minefield of patent estate. And like, we're going to go on the other strand and do it backwards.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And so we started doing these ligation things and it worked, worked really well. It's still to date, I think has the record as, as probably the most accurate sequencer ever built, but it's just limited in the length of reads they can do. It can probably only do like 50 to a hundred base pair reads. And now these other sequencers that are out there can do thousands to a million base pair reads. And,
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
They take a hit on some of the accuracy of the sequence, but they can get lengths that we could never get on the system that we had back then. But nevertheless, it was a powerful tool. It got distributed to lots of cancer centers that were sequencing tumors to try and differentiate tumors from the patient's genome.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And this whole personalized medicine thing was really looking like it was about to shine. So I was there for about five years.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Oh, they initially were going after – there was a group, Mike Stanton's group, I think, in Sanger Center used this to look at lung cancer. Glioblastoma got sequenced with it down in UCLA. And there was a group down at Baylor looking at breast cancer. I mean, it got used across the spectrum of different cancers, colon cancer.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
I was on a paper with a group at Johns Hopkins. They're on top of the game with all the stuff down there at Bert Vogelstein's lab. And they were doing something very interesting with it in that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So even though things are labeled as hemp, you don't really know if it's even Delta-8. Sometimes it can be THC acetate, it can be THCP, it can be HHC. There's a long list of compounds that we don't really have thousands of years of biochemistry and toxicology on. So, yeah, it's a bit ironic. The reason I know Joe Latipo is that We ended up discovering this contamination of the vaccines.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Cancer, when you have it, oftentimes is sloughing dead cells out into your bloodstream. And if you sequence your bloodstream, you can kind of track which cells are dying from the cancer and look at their mutations and try to get a profile of whether the tumor is getting better or getting worse by just non-invasively sequencing bloodstreams.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So Rebecca Larry put out this paper where they did that, and we're scanning – people over time through the course of treatment by sequencing their bloodstream over time and developing markers that were very personalized to their tumor that would tell them that your particular tumor is going up or down based on what we're doing.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And the same tool got rolled into amino – sorry, I thought a little hot.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Amniocentesis. So the other thing circulating in mother's bloodstreams, around 6% of the DNA in a maternal bloodstream is actually the baby's. So if you don't want to do amnio, something that I'm sure you're familiar with given your recent father, amniocentesis has like a 1 in 400 fatality rate.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So if you want to look for chromosomal abnormalities in a child, amniocentesis, they probably don't even do it anymore. I mean amniocentesis, they used to literally have to put a needle into the mother's womb to look and get cells and look for chromosomes and see if there's any trisomies, right? Like trisomy 21 is predictive of – Down syndrome.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Well, mothers who are over 40, they often ask for an amnio because there's a higher risk of this. Way higher risk, right? And some people have it perhaps a little bit more in their family and they want to do amnios. One in 400 is crazy, but it's all we had back then.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But since then, they've been able to leverage this fact that the sequencers are so cheap that you can sequence the entire mother's genome right out of her bloodstream and 3% of that DNA is going to be the child's. And you can figure out whether this trisomy 21 or any other chromosomal abnormalities just from doing what's called non-invasive prenatal testing, NIPT.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
A bunch of companies sprouted out and are very successful doing that now. And it's all based on being able to sequence these fragments of DNA that are circulating.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Oh, yeah. You can easily – I mean there's probably – I'm sure you can probably do that with ultrasound as well at a certain stage. But if you had to get in there before ultrasound could see it, you would see it in the DNA.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And I mean the fascinating thing about that whole field is that not only does DNA circulate from the child but so do erythrocytes and other particular cells that stay in the mother. Like mothers have some number of cells in their brain from the child's that they've born before that stick around that you can detect decades later.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So it's a, yeah, it's a fascinating field of like, you know, what does that mean? And what does that, what does that bring to the mother? And you know, the, the, the bonding that could be going on there and what's what's the communication and meaning or what's the purpose of that, I suppose, biologically. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And ironically, we would have never discovered that if we didn't have recreational cannabis in Massachusetts, which is a very bizarre story. But that whole discovery came about because we were sequencing cannabis plants to try to understand hop latent viroid.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah. So, so this is to fill in a bit of a small gap there in my history is after what was exciting about sequencing all of these tumors is that I was hopeful that we see personalized medicine, but of course the FDA has, has a pretty, you saw what they did to 23andMe, right? 23andMe at one point had great genetic tools that people could learn about their genomes online.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And, and the FDA came in and said, no more of that. You can really, I wasn't aware of this. Yeah, a long time ago, they were accusing them of practicing medicine. And so now they could only report – 23andMe could only report on like a couple medical conditions when before their chips used to be able to tell you all types of information from Alzheimer's to breast cancer risk to –
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And the FDA significantly narrowed how much medical content that they could have in the interpretation of that data. So I got a little frustrated with that. And I was kind of in the rat race of startup building these sequencers and decided I was going to get out and just start doing something completely different, sequencing cannabis genomes.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And I got put onto that path because these cancer centers were doing a great job of differentiating tumors from their patient, but they were still picking from gross drugs like cisplatin and all these toxic drugs. They're trying to thread the needle of killing the tumor in the patient better with genetics, but they'd still pull out poison to target.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And that's when I've learned from many cancer patients and some friends of mine that were going through these struggles as well that these cannabinoids are published to be antineoplastic. What the hell? Why? What does that mean? They shrink tumors.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So you might be familiar with them helping with people's nausea and their appetite and sleep, which are all really important aspects of dealing with cancer. But very few people know the fact that there's reams of literature on them being antineoplastic and shrinking various tumors.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
No, it's very important how you ingest it. Like most of these people are taking oils because they last longer in the body when you take them orally. Okay. But there are times – There's droplets on your tongue. Yeah. There are cases where you do have to vaporize it or smoke it because you can't keep food down. So putting an oil – An oral drug in comes right back up. So there's a place for both.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But that kind of put me into this a bit more of a, I'd say, anti-authoritarian scientist is that I was a little tired. Decentralized. Yes. This is when I started learning about Bitcoin. This is when I started learning about how the medical system is too centralized. They're not allowing us to use these new technologies to segregate the population into ways that are more intelligently treated.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
hop late environment is a small rna molecule that infects the cannabis industry and it just devastates grows like 40 loss and crop yields right um and so what we were doing is taking these plants that were infected and looking at their rna signature throughout time to see what happens when this thyroid infects the plant why does it kill it like what is the 40 loss by what genes does it like turn down what genes does it activate where is it in the plant um
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Everything kind of gets centralized to the FDA. And even the concept of sequencing these tumors and drugging them independently was very controversial with the FDA. They wanted to go through 510K. So how would you go about doing this today if you wanted to do it? There are companies now that have kind of gone through the process with the FDA now that it's been decades.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But that's the problem is it took decades. So like, you know, Foundation Medicine, I think has they probably have a 510K by now. or using at least more FDA-approved tests, if you will. But they can sequence your tumors and give you a profile. I've used this with my father, actually. We profiled him at Foundation Medicine and at Johns Hopkins. to track his, you know, the progress of his tumor.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But I went down a rabbit hole there again. But just how did this get to the vaccine is that that put me into the cannabis space. And I've been since sequencing cannabis genomes to try to inputting their genomes public so that we can get all these genomes out of the patent tickets that exist on the Human Genome Project.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
The Human Genome Project ended up with like over 4,000 patents on it for various genes. So like 20% of the genes in the human genome ended up being patented. And that made it so that people like Foundation Medicine had a really hard time sequencing kids' genomes to deploy these tools because it was a patent ticket trying to go through and sequence these things.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Well, what we did, knowing the experience we had on the Human Genome Project, and I'd spent a part of my career running a clinical diagnostic lab sequencing epilepsy kids and mitochondrial disease patients and autism kids as well. And we ran into the same problems.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Trulieve, okay. The bill was written – perhaps it could have written the bill a little bit better. But what I don't think and what I tried to do is weigh in. I have some connections to DeSantis and Joe Latipo from some of the work we've done in the COVID space.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
There's patents everywhere and it's a big mess and you couldn't really grow your company too large without, you know, myriads of other companies coming in and hitting you with their patents. And so when we approached the cannabis genome, we said, screw this, we're going to put the whole genome public before anyone has a chance to patent it. And at that time, I didn't understand Bitcoin.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
patent to it and no one else can actually go and patent it yes it puts it puts in the public domain got it so um now oftentimes the uspto doesn't find cannabis content because a lot of cannabis content is forced to have like are you 21 or older to come into our website so they don't even crawl those sites this is for prior art um so there isn't a very good um preliminary search engine for this so what we did when we spoke to attorneys they said the best thing you can do
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Now we know there's a better way to do this, but at the time it was submitted to the USPTO as a patent application and then abandoned it. That way it's in their database. They can't miss it. If they miss it, then if you ever have to go back and do a ex parte re-exam and show them, hey, look, it was in your database and you missed it, it's a really simple open and shut case.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Today, you don't need to do that. Today, you can basically publish the sequence online, put a fingerprint in the Bitcoin blockchain, and you've got proof of when it existed. The Bitcoin blockchain is a perfect timestamping system. It's difficult to take your stuff to a notary, if you will. The notary system in the United States is all federally run.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So you walk into a bank saying, hey, can you notarize my cannabis science? They'll be like, get out of here. This is federally legal. So how do you do that? How do you put it on the Bitcoin blockchain? It's a very simple thing. It sounds sophisticated. The whole sequence does not fit in a blockchain. Don't do that. No one wants that blockchain bloat. All you have to do is take a hash of the file.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So SHA-256 is a hashing algorithm that basically takes a fingerprint of a large document and spits out a particular length fingerprint of information. And it is – it's collision proof in that if you were to change one letter in that document, your hash will completely change. You will not get overlapping hashes. They're long enough that they're unique numbers in space, if you will.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
They're unique in the universe. So you can take that number – And put that into the op return in Bitcoin. Bitcoin has this little function where an op return can fit a hash. It's almost like a note section in a transaction. And you can stuff that with a hash of the sequence information that you have for a given plant. So we were using that function.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Those experiments were running great for about nine weeks, and then suddenly our sequencing data came back and it was no longer concentrated on genes. It was sequencing the entire genome. That's not what we wanted. We wanted to look at what genes were going up and down. So what you do when something like that happens in an experiment
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
We've been doing that since 2011 where we've been sequencing people's plants and then – hashing and stashing them on blockchain so that people have a record of when these things were made.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And that's helped out in that field because in the cannabis field, it's easy to clone stuff and people take people's genetics and there's a big argument over who owns them and a lot of people don't want to interface with the patent office.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So we've been involved in cases where clones were stolen from one grow to another and they came to us, we sequenced them and showed them that this is identical to something this guy grew over here and we know it and you stole it and the courts have ruled and in favor of that.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yes. Yeah. So it does work. They do acknowledge that fingerprints work. And so I got involved in the COVID sort of dissonance side of things because when I saw how they were using PCR and COVID, I realized it was a fraud. Like we run PCR on cannabis plants all day long. This is our bread and butter. We make tests that look for pathogens on cannabis.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah. And PCR is actually a really good test. They destroyed the reputation of PCR and COVID.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
He was a surfer. Sadly died right before the pandemic.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yes. I think anyone who gets their nose into the space will come to the same conclusion as him. Unfortunately, if you're in the public, he's elevated as some almost Jesus-level saint. But if you see what he actually does behind the scenes, he is the exact opposite of that. So the pandemic comes along. They're abusing these PCR tools. And I make note of this. I write a paper about it.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And, of course, it gets attacked. It goes to the typical censorship and ridicule that you expect. And shortly after that, I think that caught the attention of Peter McCullough. He asked me to help write him a paper about the differences between the vaccines and the virus, which I went through all the molecular biology and how those two things differ.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
After that happened, people start randomly sending me vials of vaccines to our address or company.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Well, I could tell that since the PCR was a fraud, that when I saw what they were going to do with the vaccine, I'm like, this has not been tested. I know how that sausage is made. The vaccine. Yeah. My history of building DNA sequencers meant I had a deep respect for when you start changing nucleotide chemistry on RNA molecules, you have no idea what you're doing.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And that's what they did in the vaccine is they changed every single uracil out with pseudouridine. That completely changes the function of that RNA. And these guys just said, oh, we're just going to change all of them and then inject it and see what happens. And, you know, you change that one methyl group. In the course of trying to build DNA sequencers, and your own sequencer will fall apart.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
is you have to go get a control that's a like a pharmaceutical grade rna and spike it in to see why is it broken like if that if that pharmaceutical grade rna doesn't come through then you can help pinpoint okay this is the step in the lab that's not functioning and that's why we're not capturing rna And I happen to have vaccines on the shelf for another reason. We can go into it another day.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
I mean, the enzymes are that sensitive to a single methyl group being placed on some of these pieces of DNA. You put 800 of them on the RNA that you're doing, you are in completely unknown territory with how that RNA is going to fold, how it's going to be processed in the cell, the RNA interference pathways that's going to kick off.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So when I saw what they were doing, I'm like, this is complete reckless insanity that they're doing. And no one's raising their hand about it. Which is frustrating because you're in a field and you look around and none of your peers are talking about this. And you're like, is everyone in on this? Like, what's going on? And being in Massachusetts, pretty much everyone is in on it. Pfizer's there.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Moderna's there. Oh, really? I mean, the PCR companies are all there. So it's a breadbasket of people benefiting from the pandemic.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah, I can see that there was a game going on here to pump up the pandemic's risk so that there would be a need, a public desire for a vaccine. And if you actually paid attention to how the PCR was behaving and how they were over-calling this disease, you would have barely noticed this pandemic. The COVID pandemic that came through was predominantly human-induced death.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
People weren't dying from the virus. They're dying from people's reaction to the virus. Like they're putting them on remdesivir, putting them on ventilators, taking away antibiotics, not letting them use ivermectin. There was all types of iatrogenic death, if you will, from how they handled the pandemic. But very few people actually died of the actual virus.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And it just happens to be there. And hospitals were also all incentivized to tag everyone they could with COVID and give it to them on the way out the door so they could get better billing. All right. So if when they were they were PCR and corpses, I mean, because if you could find COVID, you had no liability for the patient and you got a completely different reimbursement structure.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yes. They're corpses. And they're also have there's John Bodwin. You should talk to. He has gone. He foiled all the death records in Massachusetts and all the people who are labeling these deaths of people that were clearly killed from the vaccine. They label as COVID. Wow. So the whole COVID thing has a layer of scam to now.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
That doesn't mean that the virus doesn't exist and that it doesn't get you sick. I got it. I got horribly sick. I had a really long recovery from it, but it didn't create that excess mortality wave that was created by people's reaction to it.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So I knew that when the vaccine came out, I'm like, OK, this vaccine, they've got the whole population primed to be scared out of their mind that they're all going to take this reckless drug that they've. They've barely studied. And that's going to create another wave. And I think there's probably more people dead from that than there is from the virus.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
At least if you go through John's work, there's easily 550,000 people that are dead in the United States from the vaccine. I don't think the virus comes anywhere close to that. They'll tell you a couple million people, but 90% of them are comorbid. And then you start itemizing all the other types of iatrogenic death in there. It's probably a tenth of that.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
It's probably five foot less than the vaccine death. So anyway, these people, after I wrote this paper with Peter McCullough, people started sending vaccine vials to my company address, which I didn't. It's like who sent you, who got ahold of these and sent them to you? I don't know.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
People sent them to me anonymously in the mail because they thought I would do something with them. And they probably didn't expect me to do this with it. So I ended up using those. I spiked them into the well being like, all right, this is a perfect pharmaceutical. In theory, this is a perfect pharmaceutical grade RNA.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Probably my Twitter followers.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
I'm sure if they got their hands on them, they don't want to tell me how. Right.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Oh, yeah. Pharmacists have them. They're around. They throw them out. So the ones that we got were never opened. Oh, wow. So they came – they have these tamper-resistant seals on them. And so you can tell whether they've been opened or not. And we got some that were expired and some that weren't expired.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But when I kept getting them, I just kept throwing them in the freezer being, I don't know what to do with these things. And then this cannabis experiment I mentioned earlier was like, okay – We have a problem. I need a pharmaceutical grade vaccine. Maybe I need pharmaceutical grade mRNA. And I'm like, these things are sitting in the freezer. Just spike one of those in. It's got a poly-A tail.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
That should tell us what's going on with the RNA-seq that we're doing. And it did, but out came the vector that they used to manufacture these things, and that shouldn't be in there.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So when they make these mRNAs, they have to have a DNA template to make it from. So all RNA is actually synthesized usually from some other piece of DNA. Okay. Think of it as like a mold if you're into injection molding. You need something to kind of print the RNA. The DNA, they have to make it in the form of DNA first. So they take that spike protein sequence and they first code it into DNA.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And then they use an enzyme known as T7 polymerase to copy the DNA and turn it into RNA. And when they're doing that process, in the case of these mRNA vaccines, they rip out one of the bases and put in this pseudouridine so that there's only a pseudouridine and there's no uracil. That's how they get these mRNAs made.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Now, that means they have to have a piece of DNA that codes for the spike sequence they want to make the turn into RNA, but they need something to propagate that DNA. DNA is not going to organize itself. So what they do is they put a couple other genes on that DNA that make it so a coli will replicate it. So a what? That a coli, a bacteria. So basically you can brew it.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And this is, I mean, we did this in the Human Genome Project, 20 million different clones. It's a very common biotech thing. What you do is you put an antibiotic resistance gene attached to the spike sequence. And that antibiotic resistance gene and a couple other pieces of sequence guarantee that it will grow inside of a coli.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
I'm going to spike this into our cannabis sequencing to see where the pipeline's broken. And when it came out, we found that contamination that Jack spoke about here. But that experiment would have been harder to do in Florida because we have recreational rules in mass, which allow us to actually do that type of research.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So when you put that DNA into a coli, you can then brew up huge vats of a coli And now it's copying your plasmid as long as there is a piece, there's antibiotics in there that match the gene. So in this case, they were using, what do they have? I think they use ketamycin in this case. Ketamycin is an antibiotic.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So they have a spike sequence attached to a ketamycin resistance gene attached to what's known as a bacterial origin of replication that a coli will grab onto and replicate this DNA. Once that's in a bacterial cell, you just have to grow that stuff at 37 degrees overnight and you get millions of old amplification of the cells. They double every 20 or 30 minutes.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And so every time the cell doubles, you get about 200 copies of that piece of DNA with it. So fermenting this overnight and suddenly you get yourself millions and millions of copies of this DNA. that you now need to get out of a coli. So you lice it open with some soap and purify that DNA, hopefully away from all the other junk. And now you've got your plasmid purified, ready to turn into RNA.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
That's kind of the manufacturing process that they use for making these Pfizer vaccines. Now, what is a plasmid? A plasmid is that circular piece of DNA that kind of carries the spike DNA that you want to have replicated in a coli. So it contains, the plasmid is circular, so it contains an antibiotic resistance gene and an origin of replication that ensures the coli cell will replicate it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So if you glue your spike sequence onto that piece of DNA into a circle, put that in a coli, and give it an antibiotic, the only coli that will survive are the coli cells that have the plasmid that code for the resistance. Okay. Oh, there you go. Nice. Plasma maps. So you can see a bacterial DNA in there. The bacterial DNA in a coli is like six million letters long.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
These plasmas are like 5,000 to 10,000 letters long.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But they're circular. That helps them replicate and through a process known as rolling circle amplification, but also keeps them from degrading as quickly because there's no ends of DNA. When they're tied in a Mobius strip like that, the enzymes don't know how to really destroy them. So plasmas tend to stick around for a very long period of time.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But on the backbone of that plasmid, you will have an antibiotic resistance gene. I think I had another one over there. It was like a plasmid map. If you just scroll one image over, like the, yeah, there you go. Bang. If you click on that, you'll see they have these little pieces on them. So the inserted gene would be the spike. That they put in there.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
The spike is the sequence that they want to make RNA for the vaccine. That gets into a million cell will create a spike protein that your immune system theoretically will learn how to fight off COVID. Got it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
There's a huge leap between A and Z there. Okay. That we'll go into. Okay.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah. So that inserted gene ends up being, they put in the spike sequence there. There's an origin of replication down there that teaches the E. coli cell to, hey, copy this circle over and over again if you ever see me. It basically recruits the polymerase to do that.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
That's harder to get done down here because you have to have a medical card and it's much more tightly regulated. And so it saddened me when I saw that the Amendment 3 didn't go through. And what I loved about DeSantis and Joe Latipa was during the pandemic, they brought in, you know, a set of contrarians to say, you know, what's going on with the pandemic? You know, the fringe people.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
That antibiotic resistance gene, let's say that's kanamycin in the case of Pfizer's vaccine. That means if the coli is growing in kanamycin, the only cells that can survive are the ones that have soaked up the plasmid. So it's a selectable marker, which means the only coli that brew are ones that contain your DNA. Otherwise, when the cells divide, your plasma just gets lost.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So that selectable marker is really critical to make sure the plasmid sticks around when you've grown a coli. So once you have your gene in a system like this, all you need to do to get the new coli is you heat a coli to like 37 degrees and it gets porous and it soaks up the plasmids. And then it has the superpower of being resistant to kanamycin.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And so now only the cells that soaked up the DNA can survive in the growth. They start replicating and now they're replicating your hijacked spike sequence with this.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So the challenge here is, is that you now don't just have your spike sequence as part of the contaminant in your vaccine. You have all that other crap, the antibiotic resistance gene and all the origins of replication that you introduced as replicative machinery to manufacture your.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
They know it.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
They try. They fail. But that's the point where they kind of. Is this in all vaccines? No, these mRNA ones are very unique, right? We've never done vaccines like this before.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
They're just rolling out RSV and I think flu ones now. Okay. There's really scary ones going on in Japan right now. They're trialing out a self-amplifying mRNA vaccine, which is horrifying. That is something that's likely going to spread out of control. So there's not many.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
First one we had. Okay. Yes. So it was a complete unknown.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Moderna had a better protocol. In fact, what's really key about this whole story is if you read Moderna's patents, they speak to this problem. That one, it's very difficult to figure out how much of this is left behind with PCR alone. So Stefan Bansal has a patent that says don't use qPCR to measure what's left behind. But they also have some other patents in there on techniques to get rid of it.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And the reason it is so important to get rid of is they write in that patent showing that it's oncogenic. If you leave this DNA around, it will insert into your genome and can create cancer. So you have to get rid of it. And that's written straight into their own patent estate.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
It is the same story because the origin of replication that they have in Pfizer is an SV40 origin of replication. And they also have you'll see that little promoter thing up there in pink. they have another promoter over by your antibiotic resistance gene and your selectable marker. They have multiple promoters. On the Pfizer one, there's one over by that green arrow. That is an SV40 promoter.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And those elements are from what contaminated the polio vaccines. Now, the polio vaccines were contaminated with a full virus. It was like 5,500-letter viruses. But if you study that virus, the most carcinogenic aspects of it are the things that are in Pfizer. They are basically the SV40 enhancer and promoter and the origin of replication.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So the parts that are the most carcinogenic are in there, and they hid them from the regulators. When they submitted this to the FDA, the FDA demands that you give them a map like this that tells them what everything does. Like, show us where every selectable marker is, where every promoter is, where every open reading frame is. You have to disclose it all.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And the one area that Pfizer refused to disclose was the SV40 components. Right.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Simeon virus. Simeon virus number 40.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
At least 40 of them. At least 40 of them.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yes. Now, that was the story about the LINAC. They were using the LINAC to actually do mutagenesis on the viruses to mutate them to see if they could get ones that were more potent as a bioweapon. Jesus Christ. And they were planning to kill Castro or something with it, right?
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yes, until Biden came and took them, right? So anyway, they were very good. I have a lot of respect for them for what they did to the pandemic because they stopped and looked outside of the box and said, hey, something's wrong. Let's get some other experts in here. They brought in Jay Bhattacharya. They brought in Martin Kulldorff. They brought in Sunupja Kutra.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
It was a crazy story. I didn't know about that when I stumbled into this. I sadly learned about that after the fact and questioned whether I'd actually would have ran away and hidden the mountains if I had known that prior to disclosing this. But It is important to know we don't have the whole virus here.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
We have components in the virus here that I think are actually still very problematic and dangerous, but we don't have as firm of a grip on is this causing the turbo cancers that people are claiming to come out of this vaccine. I think that's a more complicated story that there's a Swiss army knife of problems in the vaccines that can drive cancer, and the SV40 may just be one component of it.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
one one hair that breaks the camel's back if you will there's there's um issues with the lnps there's issues with that that base i mentioned that pseudouridine base that completely scrambles your immune system um and then there's issues with repeat injecting this on people that their your immune system starts to become tolerant of pathogens when you do that there's this thing known as an igg4 class switch that happens with these vaccines so there there's a um oh and a fourth thing is the actual spike protein itself has been shown to inhibit
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
P53, which is a tumor suppressor gene that we have that cleans up your genome. So the protein that this plasmid's encoding shuts down your tumor surveillance. On top of that, the SV40 we know binds to p53, so that can't be good. You're shutting down the expression of p53 while you're also bombarding it with this SV40 DNA that probably makes it less functional. So it's a multiple hit problem.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
We've got multiple things that are wrong with these vaccines that are probably driving cancer. But what's annoying about the SV40 stuff, it's completely preventable, and they hit it. And it didn't need to be there. So that's that's just a sign that the regulatory structure we have here is completely captured. They are they are not.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And that steered them in the right path. And I wish I had the time to do that with them on the canvas front because I think they got – I understand their concerns, which is that, hey, you don't want this to go willy-nilly with all the kids, right? You don't want the kids running around with vape pens in schools and making a big mess with the canvas front.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
I mean, this didn't take a cannabis company shouldn't be finding this right. Like this is something the FDA should have sequenced the vaccines. It doesn't cost much to do this anymore. When when we started human genome, you know, way back when, when they came up, they came up with guidelines for vaccines to have no more than 10 picograms of DNA in vaccines that you inject in your arm.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Those are traditional vaccines.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yes.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Very small amount. But your body, when you inject DNA naked like that, it's like a 10-minute half-life. It chews the stuff up really quickly.
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#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But we're now in a new world where we have lipid nanoparticles protecting that material so it doesn't get chewed up. So arguably the number should be like attagrams. And the other thing that's happened in the time frame is they have dilated the amount of nanograms the pharmaceutical industry can have in vaccines a thousandfold.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So now it's up to 10 nanograms because since the pharmaceutical companies back in 1986 got a liability waiver, right? So now they're not liable. Every year they lobby for looser and looser regulations and they always get them. And so they've gotten to the point where they can put in 10 nanograms of DNA. On top of that, now it's on lipid nanoparticles, so it doesn't just get eaten up.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
It goes right to your cells. And they're playing around with putting DNA in there that's replicatable once it gets inside of your cells. So you could sneak one molecule through, and it's a problem.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So they really have opened up the tolerance levels here to extremely irresponsible levels, and they're not sequencing everything when the cost of sequencing has come down 100,000-fold in that same time frame. They should know every single molecule that's there. There's no reason they can't know that with the tools that we've built. So as someone who's built sequencers, I get really pissed.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
I look at this and I'm like, this is utterly irresponsible. You could have sequenced every single vial that went out the door for pennies. You didn't do it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yes. FDA has actually admitted to that now. And two of their health candidates admitted it. TGA has admitted it. The EMA has admitted it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
It's intentional deception. Yeah. If they if they had that in there, it would not have gotten to market and they would have maybe lost 100 billion dollars.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah. If they showed them SV40, they would have been delayed probably at least six months. They would have missed the market because that would have triggered alarm bells at the FDA that, oh, my God, there's SV40 components in here. What are you doing? Oh, you got this from your gene therapy department? That's what they did is in order to speed this up, Pfizer has a –
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
The reality is they already have that problem. They probably don't have the source of it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
A hilarious paper of them kind of chest pounding how wonderfully fast they released these vaccines, how they kind of built the plane while it was flying thing, right? One of these self-back-slapping type of papers. But if you go through that paper, you'll see that, hey, we were really quick at this because we have a gene therapy department. We were able to call them up and get these plasmids.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
That's where SV40 comes from. They use SV40 because it's a nuclear targeting sequence. It drives DNA right to the nucleus so that it can integrate. So this is a tool that's used for gene therapy. And Pfizer's like on record bragging about, yeah, we just lifted that and threw it into these COVID vaccines. And we're going to inject it into billions of people and see what happens.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
If the regulators saw SV40, I think they would have stopped and said, wait a minute, that's a nucleotargeting sequence. That actually can replicate mammalian cells. You can't have something that replicates mammalian cells in your background because that means 10 nanograms can become 100 nanograms or a microgram after it gets into a human cell.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
You have the machinery in there to teach human cells to keep replicating this. So once this came out, of course, they all claimed we were conspiracy theorists until the FDA went through their files and looked at the sequence Pfizer gave them and said, oh, wait a minute. It's in there. They just didn't point it out like they were supposed to. So their guidelines demand you submit the sequence.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Was this published anywhere? Our stuff has been. We've published it as a preprint. There's others that have since published the contamination story and gotten it through peer review. We're still forcing ours through peer review. It's going to be a fun journey. But others have gotten it through. And it's also been replicated. The thing about –
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
It is. I have the links to them on my sub stack. Your group can look at all this communication. And a shout out to Scoops Magoo and Noah Chartier. They have been journalists who have actively been harassing the regulatory agencies with FOIAs and ATIPs to get this information out.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
It's out of control. And it's not – what frightens me about that is no one's screening those things for pesticides, for metals. And the whole vape industry is a very new industry from cannabis plants. Like when you pull and extract these things out of cannabis plants, the pesticides tend to enrich more than the cannabinoids. Right. So you'll get pens that are just loaded with pesticides.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But in some cases, the FDA just came out with public statements on this, saying, yes, we were not made aware of the SV40 in there, but we do know it's in there. We looked through Pfizer's submission. Can you find this, Steve? Sorry. Go ahead. If you go to nipetalactone, there'll be a sub-stack there that has all the atyps from scoops of magoo.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And that will give you some of the language that's around there. Nipetalactone sub-stack. Sorry, that's a compound in catnip. You can see I'm kind of a cat person. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah. These, uh, so if you go into that newsletter and if, think if you search for hit, no, thanks. Yeah. So that's just a standard. Um, if you, is there a search bar, there's a search bar on the upper there. If you search up there for scoops Magoo, you'll just hit scoops and it will probably show up as, uh, one of them down below one of the, I'll keep going down. Let me see. Glasses on.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Oh, uh, what's the title of it?
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah, that's a more recent one. That talks about what this SV40... That this thing, actually, when it gets into mammalian cells, it will make more copies of itself, which is what we think we now have evidence of. But that's a little bit more technical. I think if you want the atyps, you should find it in... Oh no, try searching for scoops. SC, will that search the whole page or is that?
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yes, there's lots of them. There's been lots of back and forth. And the interesting thing about the communication with them is it's clear that they went, when they realized they were deceived, they turned to Pfizer and asked them what's going on. And Pfizer fed them a bunch of information that they didn't either know how to check themselves or, or verify at all.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And I don't think they appreciate that the federal government just kneecaps all the cannabis companies a few years ago by basically legalizing hemp, which I'm all for. I think hemp should be legal. Right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
They just parroted what Pfizer told them because Pfizer came back to them There we go. Go to his sub-stack. That's even better. Go directly to the source. So he's got a great listing of all of the ATIPS. ATIPS are like FOIAs in Canada.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah, that's a good one to read. That'll show you the story through Health Canada. But Health Canada and Pfizer and the FDA are getting kind of the same story from Pfizer. And so you get the same perspective coming from both of those regulatory agencies. But the...
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
There probably is something on the FDA site that – because they went back and forth with Joe Latipo. When Joe Latipo got this information, he pulled a halt on these things. And there was some back and forth communication with the FDA and Joe when Joe asked them, hey, have you done any geneal toxicity studies to address this concern?
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah, and the communication they gave to Joe was not very reassuring to Joe because they started saying there's no SV40 protein in there. And we never said there was protein. We said there's pieces of DNA in there that are worrisome that they can integrate, and you haven't done any genotoxicity studies.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Typically, when you have something like this, you've got to measure what's the insertional mutagenesis rate. And these vaccines got a hall pass because they redeemed mRNA. They're like, look, it's not DNA, so we don't need to do that, right? Right. But what they didn't tell you is that, yes, it's mRNA, but there's also DNA there.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Like that whole valley crisis, that wasn't vitamin E acetate. The what crisis? There was a Valley crisis right before COVID that many people forgot about because COVID came in and destroyed everyone's lives. But the Valley crisis was a vaping crisis that killed a bunch of people. They had ground glass capacities in the lungs, all these things that sound like COVID.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
In which case, if they were honest about how much DNA was there, they would have been forced to go through a genotoxicity study. And they would have had to look for insertional mutagenesis rates. That didn't occur on the mRNA vaccines. So that's part of the crux of the issue at hand.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And so now we're in the stage where we're scanning through tumors to look for integration events and looking for evidence of this in cancer biopsies. And we can find them now.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
I'm working with a group in Germany. I was just presenting in Phoenix at a CHD conference down there. But this is what's been most concerning is in this most recent work, we were basically scanning tumors that had spike signals. So there's an immunohistochemistry you can run that's like an antibody that looks for the spike protein on tissue.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So the folks out there were scanning all the biopsies to see which ones had high spike. They found one that had really high spike, sent it to us for sequencing, and we can find components of Pfizer's vaccines inside this thing a year after vaccination. And what's even more- Inside the cancer tumor. It's in the tumor. So it's expressing spike. The plasmids are still there.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
They're at about 100 copies per cell. They shouldn't be there a year later. They shouldn't be there at all. But the fact that they're a year later is remarkable. And the fact that they're at 100 copies per cell is even more astounding. That tells us that these things aren't going in and getting degraded. They're going in and they're replicating.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And if you find them in tumors, that's a big problem because we've had this whole, as Yeah, there's a lot of science out there that claims they can't see the signal in the epidemiological literature, but I think that's all bullshit. What you have to look at is the animal models.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah, so when you try to look for signals like this, almost in COVID, if you remember watching the whole COVID debate, they would do these studies being like, well, when we look at excess mortality in Finland versus Denmark versus Kansas, you can make up any story you want as to what COVID's doing.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And it's because there's a lot of confounders, different age groups, different people, different demographics. So what they do when they wanted to dismiss SV40 as actually being carcinogenic, the animal models show it's carcinogenic. You put SV40 virus into animals, you get tumors. So then they backed up and said, okay, let's see if we can see this in people and in large.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And let's look at cancer rates across people that were vaccinated with the polio virus and see if we can see trends. And lo and behold, if you pick the right populations, you can find nothing. It's the same story in COVID. If you want to hide a biological signal, you go to epidemiologists who play these games with bullshit statistics. But if you're a toxicologist, you look at the animal models.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
The animal models show SV40 creating tumors. That's all I need to know. I don't want this thing around. But I think what's happened over the years has been a big cover-up on SV40, just like they're trying to cover up COVID and this whole vaccine campaign killing people is that they are –
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
They're funding large institutions that are tightly tied to NIH and tightly tied to all the people who made this mess to create a mirage that they can't see the signal of SV40 from the polio vaccines because they create these huge confounding studies that no one can get their head around.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But it was about six months before COVID hit. And it was pinned down to some nicotine and THC pens. And eventually the CDC said, well, about 70% of these things have vitamin E acetate. It must be vitamin E acetate. Vitamin E acetate has been in vape pens for 10 years. It's not vitamin E acetate. It's probably pesticides they're not looking for.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah, this might be a faster route because I think he links to them in here. Oh, does he? Yeah, so he's gone and FOID a lot of these people, so these are documents that should have links to the source material. Okay. It might be hard to get these.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But that's a picture of the vaccine right there, the plasmid that we sequenced. So that red region is the spike that's supposed to encode it. When they get this plasmid out of a coli, they will run an in vitro transcription reaction on that to make their RNA. It's a fancy word for just putting polymerase in that turns DNA into RNA.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But what's on the left side of this plasmid is all the shit that shouldn't be there. Those are all the components that make this thing replicate in E. coli. And the corner that Pfizer cut is they left components in here that let it replicate to a million cells. Those shouldn't be in any vaccine. So they have the SV40 origin of replication in there. They have the SV40 enhancer in the promoter.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So Moderna doesn't have that stuff. They do have a plasmin, but it doesn't have any mammalian replication machinery in it. So that's kind of case in point that it was superfluous and unneeded. They didn't need to do this. Pfizer could have picked a different vector that didn't have this risk because their competitor pulled it off.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And their competitor has lower amounts of DNA contamination coming through. Now, I can't say that I've seen data that suggests one vaccine is worse than the other when you look at VAERS. So people are still trying to sort that out. But there is certainly a concentration of adverse events on these vaccines on certain lot numbers. The ELOT numbers are notoriously bad.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
We've not yet sequenced those to know if they're any different. And why is that? They were some of the earlier lots. And so maybe they just didn't have their shit together on those lots. I don't have a good answer as to why. There's also some speculation there might have been a different plasmid in those, but we don't know that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
If you look at some of Pfizer's, that other publication I was mentioning where they were kind of bragging about how they grabbed gene therapy plasmids, they were making multiple plasmids in parallel to figure out which one would eventually end up in their product. And it's possible that some of their products are contaminated with the other ones.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
I have a hunch that that might be the case just based on the sequence that we got from this colon cancer was not identical to the sequence we've seen in their vials. There are some differences there that are probably very material as to why this one is at such high copy number in those cancer patients. But that's yet to be published information.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
We're still trying to get that sequence in other tissues to confirm it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah, this person was 4X vaccinated. Four times, wow.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And a couple of testing labs we know in the space were finding high levels of pesticides in those pens. And those pesticides, the nature of them means that they can be in parts per million, maybe parts per billion in cannabis. You put them through an extraction system and they're in parts per thousand. Like the cannabinoids might enrich threefold in the pens.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
All right. That's a couple of points there. So this patient is deceased, unfortunately. A year after vaccination, they got their first biopsy. A week after that, they got another biopsy. And then in four weeks, they were dead. And they got a postmortem biopsy as well. We sequenced the postmortem in the first one. and we're looking at the differences between those two.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
There is a plasmid in there that codes for spike. The sequence of that spike is a little different. It's a lot different than the spike that Pfizer has in the vaccines we've sequenced previously. So this has raised a question as to what is really the source of this plasmid, because the differences there have raised alarm bells. It's not exactly what we saw.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Now, we've only sequenced two other lots before, So we don't have good surveillance of all the different lots of Pfizer. They could have different plasmids in each one. They could all be the same. We don't know. We need to do more to sort that out. But there is another hypothesis that could be at play here that leads to a much more frightening scenario, I think, in my mind, which is –
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
In the middle of the pandemic, there's a paper that was published that really went unnoticed. It was a group in Seattle that showed that their lab people were testing positive for COVID, but didn't have COVID. And they only tested positive. If you remember the COVID test, they actually had three assays usually testing for the virus.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
They would look at the spike, they'd look at nucleocaps, and they'd look at the envelope. region. And if all three lit up, they were pretty confident the virus was there. Occasionally, one of them would drop out, like the S-target would drop out once in a while. They had that happen in Europe. It was called S-target failure.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And they would say, all right, we don't really know if you've got COVID because only two out of the three assays are working. So what was happening in Seattle in this lab is only the nucleocapsid test was going off. And that was really weird. And it was in all their lab staff.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So that somehow infected all the lab people, and then it got out of the lab and infected their housemates. And so the paper hypothesized that, okay, this must be because this is a shuttle vector that can grow in a coli and can grow in a million cells. That means it's transmissible. Our vaccine in the lab infected our staff and got out into the wild.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Um, this was another lab leak that didn't hit the radar anywhere. And, um, they kind of wrote it off as no worries. It's nucleocapsid. It's not spike. You know, if it were spike, you know, maybe we could have gotten those people some spikeopathy, um, cause the spike protein itself is really pro-inflammatory nucleocapsid, perhaps not as much. Um, they kind of wrote the paper as, Hey, watch out.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Your PCR tests might be giving you false positives if you're working on these vaccines on the side. Um, But for someone like me who reads that paper, I'm like, no, you just had a huge bio leak in Seattle and it should have been followed up by the CDC. They should have run all over Seattle and looked for this and all their housemates and everyone else. All right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So there are hundreds of labs around the world doing those same types of experiments where they're taking spike proteins that have been sequenced and there's some differences and they want to characterize those differences, those variants of concern. Right. You may have heard of this, like there's Omicron, Delta, Alpha. Right, right, right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Like they might go from the plant from 20% to 80%. maybe 60% in the pens, but you can see the pesticides go up 100-fold in concentration. You don't want to have an unregulated vape pen thing out there when the cannabis field right now
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
All of these differences, there is a lab somewhere out there cloning that difference, putting it into one of these vectors and putting them into mammalian cells to see, okay, is it worse or is it better? And that's how they could gauge whether Omicron was like less pathogenic than let's say alpha or delta.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So think of hundreds of labs around the world cloning different forms of the spike protein into vectors like this that have the capacity to shuttle between mammals and E. coli. that means they're like little zoonotic bombs, if you will, that if they get into the lab and they get out, they could spread at their own unknown rate. We don't know what the R0 is of that type of transmission.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
It's not been followed. It's not been tracked very closely. But there is one case of it in the peer-reviewed literature already that it happened in Seattle. So that tells me if there's hundreds of other labs working on this, There could be leaks out there that we don't know about. So when I find something like this in a tumor biopsy that isn't identical to Pfizer, my head goes in that direction.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
It's that, okay, this plasmid that we found it in is called PCDNA3. It is the most commonly used vector for people to study spike protein mutations. So some lab could have leaked this and gotten to this patient somehow. You can't pin it 100 percent of Pfizer because it's not the fingerprint Pfizer gave to the FDA unless Pfizer is playing with multiple plasmids, which their paper shows they are.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
They just haven't disclosed what they are. So we're stuck with two hypotheses here that it could be something that is. contamination in Pfizer's lab that got into this guy's four shots. He gets it. He ends up with the tumor cancer later, or it could be this person knew somebody at a lab. It was a close proximity and got it from them.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And, and that this ended up replicating in his body and, and ends up with a, in his colon cancer in some way. So we don't know, but I think the important message I want to get across to people is that the current gain-of-function debate isn't talking about this. The gain-of-function debate is people like Barak making these full viruses.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But all the research labs that just want to take a tiny piece of the virus out and say, I want to study what this Omicron thing is doing in the laboratory, they've got to be very careful if they put that into a shuttle vector that can infect humans and E. coli. That can't get out. Because, yes, the Seattle paper showed it can travel to housemates of the people working in the lab.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So they have to make sure that when they do those studies that they have a kill switch in those plasmas to some extent that doesn't allow it to jump between different organisms. Like only put in a million, something that can replicate in a million cells or only a coli but not both. Or they've got to just track them a lot more carefully.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So, you know, if Rand Paul's listening or anyone who's working on sort of the biosafety now thing, they have to look into that Seattle paper and they have to take a look at the data that we found in this colon cancer thing to see, is it anywhere else? Like start now. Using PCR to screen tumor biopsies. These tumor biopsies, people throw them out after two years.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Unless they paraffin fix them, they can start longer. But most biopsies are gone in two years. That's crazy. So they've got to go and start looking to see, is this an N of 1? Or are there other turbo cancers out there that are spike positive and have plasmids in them that are transmissible?
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
has two different regulatory structures, one where you can grow outdoor hemp and no one can really QC it or does QC it, and you can load it with pesticides, doesn't have to go through safety testing, and ends up sold into gas stations outside of whether Amendment 3 votes yes or no. So Florida is loaded with this.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Because if spike is, in fact, causing tumor cancers, they have a transmissible form of spike going through all the research laboratories right now.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Well, it would move. Whether it would manifest in cancer in every patient is something I can't predict. But they at least should be able to track it with PCR. You can go and track the, like, okay, is it leaking anywhere? Is it jumping from person to person? And are we finding it in more than just N of 1 biopsies here?
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
We found it in both biopsies, but it was the same person, two different time points. But actually, we had three time points. They all had it. But the sequencing was only done on the first and last biopsy. But we do have to see if there's a trend here. If they keep finding this plasmid in other biopsies from people with turbo cancer, okay, that starts to build a thesis here.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And then they have to go and review which labs are making these. Did this come from Pfizer or did this come from one of these labs that are studying VOCs? And what does that mean for how we think about gain-of-function research in the future? Yeah. Gain of function is such a funny name. It's like... It's gain of death. It's gain of death. The function is human death, right? Yeah, exactly.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
This is, as Elon said, this is not... That whole biodefense industry never makes biodefense with health. This is where it goes. They got themselves in a corner trying to... fabricate risk to scare the population into funding this biodefense thing. And lo and behold, the first product out of the biodefense department is this plague.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Now, as I said earlier, I don't think this particular coronavirus was very deadly. I didn't like getting it. And yeah, it knocked a lot of people out of the workforce. It had an impact. It's not necessarily a clean story that it caused all of the excess mortality that we attribute to COVID. I think the vaccine caused more of it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So oftentimes our response to the fear is more deadly than what they've built. That doesn't mean they can't make something worse later. But a general principle in virology is that very lethal viruses don't transmit very far. They don't do what? They don't transmit very far. It's this Mueller's ratchet phenomenon that if the virus is very lethal, it kills the host before it moves.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So viruses evolve to keep people in circulation so that you're minimally affected. That way you can spread it to five or ten people. So respiratory viruses kind of end up in that way. That's how Omicron probably came about. And so it's unlikely you're going to have something like Ebola that's so deadly that it's going to go very far. It's going to kill people so quickly.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
You can go to all types of places here that sell pens that have no safety testing on them.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Cancer is a different story, though. You know, when you get viruses that cause cancer, those can take a year. And if there is any sign of there being transmissibility with it, well, then you have a whole year where you could probably be transmitting this before cancer takes you out, right? Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So there's when you get involved with viruses of cancer, you got you got to pay a little bit more close attention to them, which is why I think when they start injecting vaccines and things like this that aren't properly characterized and they could have viruses like an entire SV40 virus that they had in the polio vaccine.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
They're getting to really just desperate, crazy territory of making drugs like you just don't you don't take those kind of risks, particularly for something as harmless as C-19.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Because they had the most to gain. The pharmaceutical industry pumped it all. If you look at all those deaths, they're in Massachusetts and New York and New Jersey. It's the pharma bill. Everyone in... Those territories, it's like, I don't know if you've ever seen that sort of libertarian video about iPencil, how an economy works, right? What's it called? iPencil. iPencil.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So everything that's required to make a pencil.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
If you look at just that analysis alone, the number of people that you need to make the paint, to make the wood, to make the graphite, to make the rubber, to make the metal, it's this huge network of human interaction that makes the most remote things you'd never think about, including the coffee and the donuts that are feeding the people at the mill that make the wood. It's a huge network.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
You go into Massachusetts and the whole network of Massachusetts is tied into Moderna and Pfizer. They're both they're both headquartered there. The testing companies like Thermo is from Massachusetts. It is basically the covid center center economy of the world in Massachusetts. So they have the most deaths because everyone around them was in this mind virus of covid, covid, covid, covid.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
We have to cure covid. And they were tied to the economy of covid. Um, that's why their outcomes are the worst is their fear got the best of them and they went overboard with treating only this one thing while forgetting all about all of their healthcare. So they were motivated to exaggerate the death the most in those, in those counties. And they did. So John Bowdoin has the numbers.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
That's actual THC. And usually that stuff is more expensive, too, because the regulatory structure is probably overboard on that front because they have to grow it all indoors with lights. I mean, if you look at Colorado's grid, I don't know if it's still true today, but earlier on when they legalized something like two to four percent of electrical grid in Colorado was going to cannabis lights.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
He has hardcore data from the death records from Massachusetts. Um, he's a great, he's highly recommend having mom cause he can walk you through the fraud that's going on in the death records in Massachusetts. And you can see that they were putting down vaccine deaths as COVID deaths. And he can nail it because the death records are not protected by HIPAA.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And so since they're not detected by HIPAA, you can take all the information of the death record where the medical examiner doesn't mention the shot. And then you can go and find the same person in VAERS, which doesn't have a name on it because VAERS is anonymized. But he de-anonymizes VAERS through death records. Oh, wow.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And so you can find the exact people in VAERS that these medical examiners were probably paid off to put down as COVID.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
What they've done is they've created a two-tier regulatory structure where the people who are growing hemp don't have to safety test it, don't have to have the same labeling, they don't have to have licenses, they don't have to have cameras, they don't have to grow indoors. I mean, they don't have banking restrictions like the cannabis field has.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So VAERS is a surveillance system that's meant to be looked at. And when COVID came around, they decided to stop looking at it. And prior to that, it was a great surveillance system that they trusted. But for some reason, the physicians said that I think it was just too horrifying to look at. The signal went through the roof.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yes. And it is a felony to put any fraudulent material in there. No doctor puts fraud in there. They're not going to lose their license and risk a felony. Now, occasionally, a hacker or two who wants to mock people pointing at Ferris will try and submit some bullshit in there to say, hey, look, there's a bullshit one in right here.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
One out of the millions that are in there is bullshit because someone wanted to prove a point. And it's not clear people have gone after the person who did that. But when you talk to physicians, they don't mess around putting shit into VAERS because they know it can come with – this is such a hot topic. Like you could be licensed very quickly.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And so everything that you find in VAERS that's got – I think 80% of it is from either a nurse or someone who has a license to lose basically. Those ones you can all believe are real. But it's underreported by probably 30-fold.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Because not everyone reports into the system because of the time it takes. It can take like 30 minutes to an hour for each report. And there are also hospitals that were firing people for doing it. Oh, really? Yes. So there have been nurses who are let go who are trying to be adamant that we have to put these things into VAERS and they would say you're a nuisance. Get out of here.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
There's many cases of that that are documented. So there's the time factor out of the day that takes to put it in, and there's the recourse that people get for using it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So VAERS, I think the last thing I saw was 30,000 deaths were attributed in there. Actually, I've lost track of the number because it's so ridiculous in that in the past when you got 50 deaths, you pulled the shot. And so, yeah, once we got into like the 5,000 or 10,000, I stopped counting and keeping up with it. Cause I'm like, they're just, they're just so far over their skis now.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
They're never going to admit to it. Right. But in that, and with that under reporting factor, yeah. What do we have there? Jessica Rose is the person you want to talk to about VAERS.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So like, you know, growing this indoors is stupid, particularly down here. Right. So that, that, that, that creates overhead. So if that bill passed, you still wouldn't be allowed to grow your own. That's, that's, that's a legitimate complaint. Like there shouldn't be, you should have home grow. You should be able to do that. Just like you can brew beer at home.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
It's totally insane. And if you, Jessica does a really good work where she compares this to flu numbers as well. So you can get a sense of, okay, well, what happened in similar time frames? Yeah. That's interesting.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah. She's got Jessica Rose. She's got a good sub stack on this. She's been the, probably the number one sleuth on VAERS. And, um, there's also, I think open VAERS is another group who's tried to make the VAERS website a little bit more user-friendly to people who don't like poking around VAERS. But, um, It is an astronomical number that no one wants to talk about.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And I mean, there are people who are talking about it, but she has some peer-reviewed papers on this as well. She had one of the first papers on myocarditis, actually, with Peter McCullough. Oh, really? And it went through the typical... It gets published, and then they demand it get withdrawn. See that withdrawn thing? Withdrawn isn't retracted, by the way. It's a different meaning.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But this paper has been tortured for years, and it's finally getting its way out in a journal without much change from the original work. And imagine if the world knew in 2021 about myocarditis, and this wasn't suppressed. All right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
This signal now is, I mean, I was just with Peter two days ago on Saturday, and he gave a presentation on myocarditis and the fact that something, they think they may have a better handle on this now, but they're finding ways to do a better job clearing the spike protein with a variety of things like bromelain and curcumin. And I think the other one was nanokinase. But
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But generally, a myocarditis prognosis is like 50% fatality in five years. And they may have done this to hundreds of thousands of people. It's insane. And what you'll find, the cover-up that occurs, is they'll say, well, the virus does that too. And the way they'll fabricate those stories is they'll do a publication showing that
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Here's a population of people that got the virus and didn't get the virus, and they won't talk about the vaccine status in the paper. And they'll say, look, the people with the virus got more. Yeah, of course, if they got the virus and they got vaccinated, it's going to be worse. They got spiked twice.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And the reality is most people who do go, go at home, they don't turn it into a freaking plant. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Well, with the vaccine, it's now on the label. For the people who claim this isn't happening, even the regulators have finally had to cough this one up. It's on the label. It's on the COVID vaccine label. Yeah, this can cause myocarditis. They've admitted to that at the FDA site as well. It's at a research gate.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But the myocarditis story, I think why John's an interesting discussion on this is that he has the death records and he will tell you the myocarditis is the tip of the iceberg. There's way worse shit going on with seeing the myocarditis.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yes. And Peter's been backing off of that now being like, they think they may have gotten a way to clear the spike protein now that they can explain. But before them having those treatment options, he was worried that that was the prognosis of someone with myocarditis prior to them finding a way of eliminating some of the spike protein.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But they are hopeful that that number is going to go down with the treatments that they've come across. I think you'll probably find a notice from the FDA about myocarditis. I don't know if they'll actually fit it on those tiny labels. Go to the FDA's website. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
No, no. Yeah. You can grow one or two plants and have plenty for yourself for a year. Like, you don't, you don't need to have an orchard of this stuff.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Update on myocarditis.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
This is the VRBAC committee. PDF.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
I've spoken at one of these VRBAC meetings. I think this is probably... Okay, go up to that last one.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
three uh three days and there's 250 reports this is confusing i don't know what this means yeah what you can see there is a dose response i mean that's what you'll see in so in jessica's paper and what jessica and peter did is they put this through uh what's known as a bradford hill criteria so if you want to try and derive causation from you know from correlative information because
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
That's where everyone goes to to defend against this is, ah, it's just correlation. But it's a lot of correlation. So what Bradford Hill makes you go and do is you've got to show that there's a temporal connection, that it's within close temporal proximity of the actual dose that this happens. You have to show a biological trend in that more dose creates more problem, which they have here.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
right okay um so there's a there's there's about 10 of these criteria in bradford hill that go through that help you determine whether something can be deemed causative or correlative and they've satisfied bradford hill criteria on this one on myocarditis that's what her paper goes through is that okay there's a time connection there's a biological mechanism there's a dose response to this uh and uh and and that that got suppressed for for three years go to the next slide steve 1321 reports what
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
uh verified using cdc case definition well that's a that's a word salad right there yeah there when the cdc gets involved with case definition they end up uh bearing most of it um but there are papers now out that look at autopsies that mccullough's been involved in and it's something like that's that's the cold hard truth and not enough autopsies were done but when he was looking through autopsies it was something like 70 to 75 of the cases they could pin to the vaccine
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Whereas when it goes to the CDC's hands, it's like 7% or something. They start playing all these games being like, well, it could have been something else. But kids don't get myocarditis. This is one that's really overt that they kind of had to cough up. I think where the cancer stuff gets messy is it tends to be sometimes older people.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Um, although that is not, um, holding true with, uh, I was just with, uh, Dr. Maccas, uh, and he was showing that like the peak of cancer is actually like in the forties and fifties. So people are getting cancer like 10 years earlier. They're starting to screen earlier, uh, because of what's happened.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Like they're trying to move the mammograms up 10 years to try and move the colonoscopies up 10 years because, uh, that's in some ways, uh, That will actually hide the signal because you'll get more negatives when you do that. If you open up the scanning window and suddenly change it to 30 instead of 40 for breast cancer, suddenly you'll get a lot more people coming through that don't have it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And so the prevalence rate will go down if they just move the window around on you. But you are picking some people up at those ages, which you shouldn't be. That's what I think is the most shocking thing. And John's data shows us as well that the age demographic shift happened after the vaccine came into play.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
You could see when COVID was in place, the average age of death in Massachusetts was 82. And the average age of death in Massachusetts is 80. So the vaccine was just – the virus was just killing people on the edge of life, OK? And Massachusetts data is really clear. Then when the vaccine actually comes into play, the people that are dying are suddenly 10 or 15 years younger.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
That's not – a virus doesn't do that. A virus doesn't suddenly mutate and decide to kill younger people. that's something else that you've added in as a toxin that's bringing it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Not only does the age demographic shift in this data, the types of mechanisms of disease shifts from, you know, in these older age patients that are getting hit with viruses, they're mostly going down with like some type of secondary pneumonia. What's happening with the people that post vaccine is you're getting clots, you're getting strokes, you're getting kidney failure, you're getting lymphomas.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So it's the age demographic, The age demographic shifted and the type of disease shifted right off the vaccine program, which is a pretty strong signal that this is in fact not a virus changing on us in that regard.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Is that true? Well, there is some. So a person we work with on this was Sin Lee. Sin Lee is probably best known in this field for finding DNA contamination in the HPV vaccines. And I don't know that there's aluminum. I heard Jack say something about that. I have not measured for any aluminum in these vaccines, so I can't comment on that and whether it's in there.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But the older vaccines do tend to have aluminum. And the problem with aluminum is it does bind DNA and pull it out of the solution. So sometimes the tools you use to measure DNA miss it. So it's a great way of camouflaging residual DNA in a vaccine is throw some aluminum in there and all the aluminum disappears. Soaks up the DNA so that the PCR tools don't see it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah, that was a bad way, I think, for them to pitch it. It wasn't really necessarily honest that, oh, all the kids are going to start using it. Now, when we look in states that legalize, actually, it's the boomers that start using this stuff. They start using gummies and CBD and stuff for back pain and everything else.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So Sin figured that out and was able to sequence parts of the HPV vaccines, genetic constructs that they used to make it. And he's been complaining about that for probably over five or six years now. And again, the FDA just said it's moving along, nothing to see here. But I don't know if that's playing any role in this event other than
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
There is some literature out there regarding the efficiency of transfection. Lipid nanoparticles are really good at getting DNA into cells. In vaccines that don't have them, sometimes people use calcium phosphate or other metals that will help move DNA into the cell.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So there's some research that needs to be done as to whether or not this aluminum DNA adjuvant actually has any level of transfection capacity. I suspect it's a lot lower than LNPs, but it may in fact facilitate some level of DNA entry into other cells.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yes. Yeah. So she, um, I mean, we don't have anything, any sequence evidence to prove what happened there, but she was at a, I think she was 54 when this happened. Um, and, uh, you know, what's that Elon Musk quote about, um, if there's a guy out there, he's, he's one who's, um, dipped in irony.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Um, but because there's, uh, you know, she was, she was a scenario where she was actually censoring everybody. Yeah. this information. So to, to get, to answer your question about her, it's hard to know because of her. Right. So YouTube was sent, anyone talking about turbo cancers in this area was getting thrown off of YouTube and don't speak too soon.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Maybe not any, maybe not as much anymore, but yeah, hopefully not as much anymore, but especially after last week. Yeah. Yeah. Right. That's, this is true. Very true. You're in good, you're in good hands now. I think Trump just came out with a really bold statement about freedom of speech. I saw that. That is very reassuring. But yes, she had died of a rapid onset cancer.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
We suspect she was heavily vaccinated because she was very pro-vaccine. Sadly, I think one of her children may have committed suicide as well during the pandemic. And there's speculation there as well that there's a lot more suicide in the pandemic because of what they did to kids.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah, I think that may have played a role in that death as well.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
There are actually several studies that they're showing that adolescent use goes down. It's no longer this taboo thing. And so I don't think that's a very strong case. Cannabinoid hypermesis is important. He brought that up. I'm glad Joe brought that up because that's the one area that gets overlooked in cannabis is that no one talks about that one disease.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Like this is, um, there, you know, there's another, uh, book out there that I like to point to, um, that I think Jack would like as well. I got to send it to him. Um, uh, I named this, I think it was called the indoctrinated mind. Okay. And what indoctrinated mind? Yeah. This is a gentleman who was noticing you'll, you'll, you'll see this.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Even Peter McCullough had something up very recently on a post today about how there's an increased rate of anxiety and depression in, in, um, Long COVID patients and in the vaccinated, mostly in the vaccinated. So there is some serotonin biology going on. In fact, if you remember early on in the pandemic, one of the drugs that miraculously worked was fluvoxamine. Fluvoxamine is an antidepressant.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
It's a serotonin drug. And maybe it has to do with your gut biome. We don't know. But it was very effective at slowing down the transmission of SARS. So what this person had pointed out was that coronavirus, people who have long COVID or have been heavily vaccinated, that it tends to do a certain damage in a certain part of the brain that can drive anxiety.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And when you do that, you become more compliant and you become more willing to take another vaccine. And he runs through how low-dose lithium can reverse this and how in order to help our comrades who may have fallen for this crazy vaccine scam that's going on, that we have to actually consider the fact that some of them may be going through this type of neurobiology. Wow. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Frightening to think if they knew about that in advance, that'd be some pretty impressive work on their behalf. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So in Jack's spirit, if you want to decentralize your way out of this, we've got to start thinking about these compounds that aren't necessarily under the capture of the FDA that actually reverse some of this, which are like the entheogens, psilocybin, right? This is a drug that is known to increase neural connectivity.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And it may play a role, just like lithium, this person was demonstrating, I suspect this would be a better option, is that it may kick people out of these depressive states and get them thinking more independently and not being as committed to the state for their medicine. Certainly the people I know that have explored those areas begin to look outside the state for solutions for medicine.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
I think the challenge we have when we centralize things, and it'll be very interesting to see what happens with Trump and Bobby and everything they're doing down there, because It's kind of like going into the Death Star and making Darth Vader nice. Can you do it or do you just have to nuke the whole thing, right? Or rebuild from the whole new model.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And that one disease is actually well studied and well linked to THC. They tend to bring in schizophrenia, which is poorly linked. And I think they even said it fries brain cells. And no one in the cannabinoid space, that's just well understood that no, it's neurogenic. It's actually the opposite of that. It's actually gross.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
I don't know if they're going to be able to go in there and clean shop enough to fix the problem. In some ways, what you have to do is not change the king, but actually get rid of the institution so that it gets decentralized and done differently. But I'm all for them trying, right? Let's see if they can clean it up and make it so it's less bureaucratic.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But, you know, the reason I got into the cannabis field and into the philosophy space is that these people have figured out how to decentralize medicine, that they are there. They're working with compounds that you can grow in your backyard that anyone can grow on their own.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And they're figuring out ways to safety test them and understand their use in various applications so that we don't have to be dependent on some FDA based pharma fascist oligarchy system that that hands down demands that everyone take an injectable unknown vaccine. Uh, population wide.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
I mean, it was, what they did was I can't, from a genetic standpoint, I can't believe how irresponsible this was to, to roll out something that recklessly to everybody. Like that's a Darwin award waiting to happen. You know, like to think, Hey, we should all take a vaccine at the same time. Uh, like you would never do that with antibiotics. This is the reason they took antibiotics out of COVID.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
It's like, oh, we don't want to get antibiotic resistance. Let's give them all an antiviral at the same time. Viruses evolve faster than microbes, than bacteria. So you're thinking they have it backwards. The same logic doesn't apply.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
You don't go into a pandemic and vaccinate everybody on a virus because that's like giving everyone antibiotics at the same time only with something that mutates faster. So they did that globally with a platform that if you just went back maybe to 2019 when they made CRISPR babies, they threw that guy in jail.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So what changed between 2018 and 2020 where messing around with CRISPR babies was the art of Satan and we're going to jail you for it to suddenly we're going to gamble on the entire population with something very similar? Yeah. It's not identical to making CRISPR babies, but we need to understand.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
It's gene therapy at the somatic level, not the germline. And so that's arguably a little bit different. However, the verdict's not out on that. So germline is egg and sperm. All the cells in the body get the CRISPR baby change. And that changes that person's generation. Like their offspring will also have it, right? That's a germline change, okay?
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
A somatic change are your cells that have differentiated, and they're not necessarily going to end up in offspring, but they could end up in tumors. They can end up in your stem cells, which make a lot of your other cells. And we don't yet know if they end up in your gametes and in your sperm or your eggs.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
We're very worried they do because the biodistribution studies on the LMP show a high concentration in the ovaries. So it's possible that some of this crap that's going on has made it into somebody's, a genome modification into an egg, and we just haven't seen it yet. So that's gonna be generations for us to look at and come.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But even if it is remote of a possibility with the vaccine, they did it to billions of people that there's probably more CRISPR babies out there from this than there are from the CRISPR babies. That's the change in mindset. And all it took was a Fauci flu, like fear porn.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
If you have a stroke or if you are into MMA, you'll notice a lot of the MMA players. use CBD. And it's because you need a lipid soluble antioxidant in the brain when you get brain injury. So there's neural inflammation. The best thing for that is CBD. Really? It gets right through the blood brain barrier and is a very potent antioxidant and just dampens down the inflammation.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
They did it with social media and with fear porn and probably some of the techniques that Jack's talking about, which is getting everybody in a depressive state with indoor, no vitamin D, lots of blue light. On top of that, maybe these spike proteins are playing some role in the biochemistry in the brain as well.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
boom they start lining up for doing this every six months and creating cults based on who does it and who doesn't do it there's in and out groups that are formed in society and whether you're a vaxxer or an anti-vaxxer what was jack saying about emfs and dna so i haven't gone down the emf rabbit hole as as much yet i'm going to because um he's kind of pointed he's pointing that direction and he's always plasma dna plasmids and emf signals is what yeah
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So there has been discussion about electromagnetic frequencies, and I do know some people I trust in the field that are actually doing a lot to shield their homes and keep that exposure down. I don't yet have the connection down as to what it's doing with DNA.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
um dna is known to be have some some capacity to um to to resonate and that i can you can put certain electromagnetic frequencies you can transmit it through dna but um i've not seen any health connections yet but it's it's not because i haven't it's because i haven't looked deeply right it could be there it's just not uh it's not a rabbit hole i've gone down yet um but uh
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
uh the that is something that has come up on the vaccine that i have not seen evidence for which is that there are these nanobots in there that are that are 5g receptive like we when we've looked through these we don't see any evidence of nanobots and there have been papers that have come out that try to look for them and we would be able to find them you you'd be able to see them under light microscopes yes and the papers that try to find them in light microscopes look like they are looking at uh what are crystals from like cholesterol um when you when you
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
When you put things under light microscopes, the light heats the sample to a point where you get these weird evaporative effects off the slide. And then certain crystals start to form because the water is getting sucked out of there. And so you get them with a lot of cholesterol crystals.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
You know, right. The thing is with all the conspiracies, there's a doctor. What's the doctor's name?
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Oh, that was, I know you're talking about that. Um, that was Charles, uh, Lieber Lieber. That's it. That's it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
I thought he got bagged. I thought he had some, some biologics that were going across borders and he had some, um, Chinese.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Two people that were working in this laboratory that were, uh, questionably part of the Chinese liberation army or something.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
I think ketones is really good for that too. Yeah, ketogenic diets I see, I think there's probably some overlap in the pathways there. And likewise, the things that Jack was bringing up as well is a very interesting area of research as to where the actual cannabinoid chemistry overlaps with mitochondria. In the brain, 15% of the cannabinoid receptors are actually on mitochondria.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So what's really spooky about this is – okay. why haven't they gotten to Barrick or Fauci? This is really early on in the pandemic. And so they latch onto this guy who's moving some biologics. I think it was going through Canada into China. And something else is going on here just because the fact that they've acted on him and not on Barrick is- Who is Barrick again?
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Ralph Barrick's the guy who arguably taught Wyv how to create the coronavirus. Ta who? The Wuhan Institute of Virology. Oh. So there were grants that Fauci basically boomeranged off of Echo Health into the WIV because they put a gain-of-function ban on funding here in the States. Obama did that, right? Obama did that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And so Fauci's creative way around that was, well, we'll fund a nonprofit called Echo Health Alliance run by Peter Daszak who will launder the money for us into the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Therefore, it's not directly from Fauci to Wuhan. It's going through some intermediary.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And through that process, they taught the Wuhan Institute of Virology how to do this seamless noceum technique, which is a technique of assembling viral genomes so you don't leave any evidence behind. It's a ligation technique that uses a golden gate assembly. It's a clever way of putting stuff together so that you can't tell that someone built it necessarily from a laboratory. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
However, they did leave behind some fingerprints that make us that got them caught, basically. And you should if you want to hear about that story, you should get Charles Rixey on here. Charles Rixey has helped, you know, RFK write his book about this. And Charles Rixey is a Marine and he's been like a dog on a bone with this problem. And he was the one who leaked the diffuse proposal.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Are you familiar with the diffuse proposal?
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So there was a grant that was proposed to the DOD to go build a weaponized coronavirus under the banner of we need to build a vaccine against this because if we can do it, the Chinese can do it kind of thing. And the DOD turned down the grant because they thought it was too fucking crazy. You'll have something that will leak from this.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But as anyone who's written grants, I've been involved in writing grants for our company. We got like $30 million in grants from NIH. You don't apply with a grant not having done 80% of it. It's just you're looking for the last 20%. Because you just can't.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
The grant process is so grueling and so competitive that in order for you to succeed, you have to have all this preliminary data that shows we can get X done. We've demonstrated this piece. We've demonstrated this piece. Now we just need to do this last piece. And in that diffuse proposal, they had used particular restriction enzymes. These are enzymes that cut at particular sequences in DNA.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Those are important because they help guide the way that you cut and paste DNA together. So imagine if you're cutting and pasting a Word document, but your highlighter to highlight what sentence you want to cut can only start and end with certain letters. Those are what restrictions are. So imagine you can only cut and paste where there's a the.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So what's happening in the cannabis field is everyone is kind of moving their business out of the regulated market and into the hemp market and selling it across state lines. Because if it's hemp, it can go across state lines. So what you'll find in Florida, you can go to any smoke shop down here and see people are selling THCP, HHC.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So you would have to then build a paragraph knowing that the paragraphs that have sentences that start with the, we're going to cut with this enzyme. And the ones that have sentences that start with maybe – we have another enzyme with things that start with there, which is a couple more letters onto the, right? And we're going to use those enzymes to cut here.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And by doing that, we can assemble this genome. Well, they had certain restriction enzymes in that diffuse proposal that are present in coronavirus that's currently circulating. And that was kind of the smoking gun that showed that, okay, this was in fact assembled. It was a product of the diffuse proposal. Someone eventually carried out that grant application to its –
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And that's what's actually circulating. And Rixie has the whole story on this. You want to talk to him and Alex Washburn. Alex Washburn did some really interesting work mapping out the frequencies of these cut sites in all other coronaviruses. And only in SARS-CoV-2 do they exist in a manner where they are almost perfectly spaced. They build a thing back together in six pieces.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And in neuronal cells. So it's very much dialed into the energetics inside the brain and the metabolism in the brain is the whole endocannabinoid system. So it's an important area of the medical field that's frankly just been suppressed for decades. for longer than, you know, everyone got a good glimpse of what happens in medical suppression during COVID. Imagine that for 40 years.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So the Humpty Dumpty comes back together in sort of an engineering way only in SARS-CoV-2. If you look at where those restriction sites exist in all the other coronaviruses we know about, they're kind of randomly scattered. They don't look like someone designed them in. When you look in SARS-CoV-2, they're very perfectly spaced such that an engineer put it together.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And there's a particular set of them near the fear and cleavage site that looks like it's designed to take that fear and cleavage site in and out and mutate it and swap it around so that you can optimize this to actually hit ACE2 receptors. And What's remarkable about the zoonosis thesis is that this thing came out pre-optimized.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Like when we first found SARS coronavirus, the binding affinity to ACE2 was already optimized. That's not normal. Like if this were a zoonotic event, the leap would mean it was unoptimized and would take maybe five or 10 years to become more optimized in the population.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
That's another signature that someone had to have a piece inside the design of this virus that they could swap in and out to put a library in there to commentarily screen for fear and cleavage sites in receptor binding domains that would effectively allow them to reach for optimization out of the gate.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And so Charles and Alex have a good story around this about how they use serial passaging and the engineering design that they have in this implicate this as being, in fact, a weapon that was built. And it's not something that hopped over from pangolins and bats and all that stuff. Jesus Christ. Harvey Rich, I think, has another interesting window on this.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
It's worth a view on the Ron Johnson thing that I was at. Harvey gave his pitch on like, all right, where the hell did this all come from? And how do we avoid doing this again? And he had the most compelling synopsis, I think, because everyone's been like, can they be this evil? What the hell happened? And I think his story makes the most sense, which is that the biodefense industry, if you will,
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
has always kind of justified itself on that. We need to be doing gain of function research to protect against a particular weapon. And so we're going to preemptively do all this. Fast forward to 2020, they've never come up with something they've saved us from. And then the first thing that leaks is potentially from their own making, right?
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So that puts the biodefense industry on their heels in that we have to be in control of the solution to this. Otherwise, we're non-existent when this is done. So let's get Fauci involved because they had him on payroll. And of course, Fauci, I think you've probably seen some of those emails and conversations that have come out where it's like, you'll have orders, you have things to do.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
His emails internally that leaked out of the NIH were like, you'll have things to do tomorrow. You must read this paper. This is a paper about a potential leak, right? Early on, this is like February and the pandemic where it first hit on him that this could have come from money from his pocket. Like it could have come from the WIV, the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And so suddenly Tony is now implicated.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And maybe have funding the virus that leaked and suddenly he's in panic mode sending emails to everyone that night like read all this stuff you'll have you'll have assignments tomorrow like we got to get on this and Francis Collins is in there talking about how we have to have a swift takedown of all these conspiracy theories that say it comes it could be engineered and so they're in high gear right now trying to cover this up.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
but you know his take is that that um the biodefense program then went to high gear trying to get the vaccine as the only solution to fix this that way they would have a justification for yes something leaked sorry we don't really know who made it but we happen to save the day with a biodefense program having this vaccine ready see the scan of function stuff really needs to happen otherwise we would have been millions of people would have died without this vaccine which is a narrative you hear people try to propagate in the news right
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
That without this vaccine, it saved 20 million people. They conjure up all of these weird epidemiological studies that try to make that case in their own modeling studies that are easily dismantled. But I think that is a lesson for us going forward that this gain-of-function work is more dangerous than it can ever help. And it is something they need to put a real tight lid on because –
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
That's what's been going on with cannabinoids is the pharmaceutical industry has been doing everything they can to suppress this because it's not a compound that they can exclusively own. And so if they even do bother to try and patent it to some degree and get it out like GW Pharma did,
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And this – I'm involved on a separate side of this, which is, OK, you found a contaminant in these vaccines. That could implicate fraud. Fraud might unwind the PrEP Act. Therefore, lawyers can now go after the FDA. And the first trial that tried to do that was with Brooke Jackson. And Brooke Jackson had evidence of the trials being fabricated.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Like she was in – she was at Ventavia being asked to like – you know, shift around the PCR numbers or shift around the data on unblind this site and then blind that site. That way they could play games with the clinical trial data. And she blew the whistle on that. They brought that to court. The judge ruled that this was not, yes, Pfizer lied, but they were told to lie by the DOD.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
This is not a typical manufacturing arrangement. This is actually a biological countermeasure. The DOD is running this. You have the wrong defendants. So they have to, like, re-steer their case maybe toward the DOD. I mean, they don't know. This is, how do you sue the DOD?
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
This is just fraud, a different form of fraud. But we expect if we approach them with the SV-40 thing, they'll probably use the same excuse. Like, it's a precedent that they've said.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah, they have a lot of fact-checkers talking about it, which is a sign that they're worried about it. They don't assign – all the fact-checkers you see, if you dig into them, there's some connection of money either back to the Gates Foundation or to a pharmaceutical company one way or another.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
They are pumping out – I mean, even the government came out saying they had a billion dollars to spend on reducing vaccine hesitancy for basically marketing their narrative, if you will. Right. when you can tell which topics worry them by how many fact checkers are sick on it. And we're probably right up there at the top.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
If you look up the SV40 stuff, they have gotten every one of the fact checkers to write something about it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah, so that's a good point. So that brings you back to, you know, let's channel Jack here, right? Decentralizing. So peer review, we talked about peer review. Peer review right now is centralized. It's centralized at journals who get most of the revenue from pharmaceutical companies. So they're not really peer review. It's actually a gatekeeping system of what gets through. Yes. Right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So the way to do peer review in the future is peer to peer. We have these peer to peer cryptocurrency systems, which are effectively timestamping systems of when something was was recorded or invented. So they're ideal for doing peer review. We've done some of this in the past when we sequence cannabis genomes. We've done some projects where we actually were funded by cryptocurrency.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
They're then faced with the fact that there are hundreds of dispensaries around, thousands of dispensaries around the country that are going to sell it five times cheaper than their FDA-approved product. So they did this for epilepsy, which is Epidiolex. This is a CBD extract. Got it all the way through the FDA. It works great for duvet syndrome and seizures.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
We did the genome, we put all the data onto the blockchain, and we did the peer review on the blockchain. You just recruit peers with crypto and say, hey, 500 bucks to review this upfront, 500 if you finish it, but everything has to be public, your name, your CV, everything has to go public. It happens in seven days. It's the fastest peer review we've ever had happen.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
now of course the the traditional academics are like oh you've got money involved and they don't realize that well so do you like when you're right of course when you put in the paper for journal you're paying nature three to five grand to review it none of the money that you pay to nature goes to the reviewers right and it's really prone to bias very prone to bias so and wasn't robert maxwell the one who put this peer review process in place in the first place like in the very beginning yeah so you've read a little bit about this yeah
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah. So the good old Mossad agent is the one who, um, who did this. And, uh, and of course he loved what he was, what you can see, there's some similarities with him and his daughter, right? Um, for those who don't know, Maxwell is the same Maxwell as Ghislaine Maxwell is the father of Ghislaine and, and, uh,
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
What they viewed the sciences as back then, still do very much today, is a way of influencing policy. That if you get all the scientists to the white lab coats together, you're getting the priests of statism together to all sing the narrative you want to, and then you can fund the ones that are saying the right thing, and then you can bend the narrative into your political direction.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Therefore, this is why we have these ridiculous stories about climate change and CO2 and how we need to do all this intervention on changing the Earth's temperature. It's all a game to increase fiat. If you want to step on the gas of printing money, you need to control the white lab coats to preach to the world what the word of God is, and they will tell you to do that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
X, Y, or Z. So Maxwell loved having that. And so he built up Maxwell Press. And that was a way of kind of whining and dining the elite. You'll notice that Epstein did the same thing. Like the people he was whining and dining and trying to get into his surveillance network, he was going all over Boston, trying to get pictures of people who were the biggest thought leaders in biotech.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And a lot of the people I know got like caught with the paper, with like a picture of the guy in the same room. But I don't think, I think they're entirely innocent. The part of his plan is to, the part of the plan, the plan was always to reveal him as a dirty bastard. That way they could control anyone they got a picture with. Reveal who? Epstein. Oh, right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Like the way that whole that whole blackmail operation works is he has to be not known as a dirtbag for a while. You get him, you know, flashing money around to all these people who are trying to fund their research projects to get into high influence researchers. Like he got somehow he got close to George Church. He got close to Eric Lander a little bit. He got close to a couple of people at MIT.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And then and then you Robert Kennedy. Yeah, I'm sure there's probably a picture of them with Kennedy and Trump, right?
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Oh, yeah. All right. So there you have it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But you have to understand that they're doing this to control the most influential people. Right. Right. So they're going to get to everybody they can. This is why nothing's come out about Diddy, because they don't want... the Diddy names revealed because now they have those people captive under the threat that they'll reveal them. All right. And that's why nothing came out on the Epstein people.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Many of the people in the field will be like, yeah, it's too pure. Who came up with this drug? Epidiolex is from GW Pharma. So they've since been bought by a Japanese company. I'm forgetting its name. But it took them a long time to get that through.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah. As long as we have the threat that you were with this dirt bag, you're going to do as we say. And the moment they reveal them all, suddenly their power over them goes away. So I don't think we're going to see anything. I mean, who knows? Maybe the Trump administration will do something different.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But I think the whole point of them having these types of honeypot traps are to never reveal them, only to reveal the fact of one or two of them who are organizing and are complete dirtbags. And if we have association view with that person, yeah, you're gonna go vote Kamala, right? Or whatever the ask is of the day.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But yeah, so the peer review system goes back to that type of thinking and we have to completely dismantle that because this is what it leads to. It leads to centralized control over the narrative. And so you were asking about peer review for this. What we did knowing that whole system's a train wreck is we put all our stuff live on Substack as quickly as we could.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
We etched some things into Bitcoin as well on this. We put them on IPFS and then we put the extra time to make protocols. that you could question this with something really cheap like PCR. If someone had to go and sequence vaccines, that could cost more money and take more time.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But if you take the extra effort to make it easy for someone to check your work, like build a PCR assay that someone can do in an afternoon for a couple hundred bucks, then others pick it up. And we got that with, um, Philip Buchholz. He, he reproduced it. God is, you know, he got all types of hell for doing it. Um, and then, um, yeah, who is he again? He's a professor.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
He's a cancer biologist down in, um, University of South Carolina, and has an incredible background, came out of Bert Vogelstein's lab at JHU. JHU and Bert's lab are, you know, they're the top cancer docs in the world, right? Everyone who comes out of there, they have just very inventive minds.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And, of course, the expense of running all the clinical trials and building that business out means when their final product comes out, it's usually five times the price of a CBD oil you can get at a dispensary. Right. So they end up being faced with getting a drug through an expensive process only to turn around and find out there's already a generic out there that's going to mimic it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Actually, our sequencer that we built, the solid sequencer, we licensed stuff out of Bert's lab because they invented emulsion PCR, and it was a very handy technique. Okay. But Philip came out of there, and he saw this. I was posting this on Twitter, and he was like, well, I don't know. This guy looks like he knows genomics.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
He's got a history, but this is all kind of – I'm going to fact check this guy. And he ordered the primers that I put up on our website, ran it, and was like, holy shit, this works. So then he went about and designed his own primers to make sure he wasn't like – I wasn't feeding him some trick. And those worked.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And then he went and sequenced it with Oxford nanopore and he got the whole plasmid and was like, yeah, this is a problem. We have a lot of this DNA there and it's in an LNP and that's very different. The regulations they have for 10 nanograms are irrelevant. We have to. We've got to start scanning tumors now and see if this has played a role.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
He's a bit more conservative on it, and I don't blame him based on the role that he's in. He doesn't want to raise alarm bells. He doesn't want to spread panic. He's also in an academic setting where deans kind of come down on you if you do that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But it's good to have someone like him with a different perspective that's more cautious about this because that can be sobering for when you're alone in a field like this. There's another group in Germany that reproduced it as well, and they actually got it through peer review, Bridget Koenig's group, which I was shocked by that they managed to push it through.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But they've reproduced the work, and there's a group in Canada that I'm working with that reproduced it and put out a preprint. They have the largest study. They did about 30 vials, and they found that in all of them, the PCR data in that study shows that it's probably below the 10-anagram limit for most of it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But if you use a different tool to measure it, fluorometry, which is probably the right way to do it, you end up being 100-fold over. So what this has revealed is that the pharmaceutical industry is playing games with how they measure this stuff, and the regulators can't keep up. If you measure their own patents, they don't measure it with PCR, yet the regulators say, hey, give us the numbers.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
What did you use? PCR. Okay, they look like they passed. The regulators don't read the patents. They'll be like, their own patents tell you not to accept that number. If you read it with a different instrument, you get 100 times more, and you have a problem because it's LNP-based. So, so from a peer review standpoint, we don't care about peer review in the field.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
We care about replication and we want replication done from adversaries, people who like believe in this and people who don't like, uh, it's, it's, it's reassuring to me that, that Philip's doing, Philip took the vaccines, right? He's not, we're not eye to eye on this vaccine stuff. He has very different opinions on that and that's fine.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And it's, and when it, when it works in his hands, it's like Bitcoin. If your enemies make it work, it's good money. Right. Right. You want money that that's a consensus gravity. The Russians believe in gravity as much as we do. They can both make it work. So that's how science works is if you're if your enemies can run it, not that Phil's my enemy. He's a good guy.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But the point is you want people all around the world being able to reproduce this. And they can't be from the same sort of ideological cloth in order for you to really consider it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And the only thing they can do is beg the FDA to go and threaten these dispensaries by saying you can't have any medical language or treatment guidelines on your products. That's why you won't see things written on cannabis products saying this is good for headaches or what have you. You're not supposed to list any kind of – um, medical quality, if you will, uh, on, on the label of these products.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Well, zero-knowledge proofs are a different form in cryptography, and I'm not the best person to ask about this, but I did have some Zcash at one point in my life because I like what was going on there. But there are some weaknesses, I understand, in that cryptocurrency, only in that if you do have a zero-knowledge proof system, you can't be 100% certain that there wasn't a founder bias.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
You know, the people who booted the coin up, did they put any coins aside, and will they ever liquidate them on you? But I understand it's a very powerful... uh, uh, system for cryptocurrency and that it's anonymous and it's better than the anonymity you have in Bitcoin. Um, yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So, uh, but no, that, that's, uh, I think it's along the lines of the analogies to crypto is that, um, in, in, in crypto, you can have decentralized people, um, all weigh in on a consensus from all over the world. And science very much should be run that way. It shouldn't be top down where, uh, This is fringe thinking according to Anthony Fauci, and he is the science, and this isn't.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
I mean, this is – we've seen this problem with like the Gutenberg printing press, right? When that came out, the church wanted to grab hold of it to control how – which Bibles were printed, right? It was a power grab on how do we preach to the masses. The same thing is happening with peer review today. The Gutenberg printing press now is science and nature and all these institutions. Right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And if you look at those institutions, they have better profit margins than Google, right? Elsevier, if you look at them, they have remarkable profit margins. It's because everyone in academia is paying them to print in their journals and none of that money goes out the door to any of the reviewers who do the work.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So they have a remarkable business that needs to be completely dismantled and obliterated with a peer-to-peer system that can do this on chain, if you will. We have the tools to do it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
We just have to – as scientists, we have to have the courage to want to step out of that cloth of everyone in academia has kind of weighed like did you get your paper into Nature or was it into some predatory journal or some sort. And so it's really risky for someone to say, hey, I'm just going to go over here and print this on chain and do a crypto-funded incentivized peer review. Right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
and my paper will probably never get cited and rot type of thing. But I think the pandemic probably opened, at least I saw it open up many of my peers eyes to how broken peer review was. And that this is now on the table, people are talking about it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
A little bit. A little bit. It's to me that was – they're well-spoken. I like their story. It's interesting. Of course, we've got to look at health in this regard. But I look at things – the things that you eat are less damaging to you than things that you inject.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
You've got to be much more careful with things you inject than the things you eat. And for you to get chronic disease over things you eat, you need to be eating a shitload more of it than anything you inject. And so I share some of the concerns that Jack has raised and others that – These people marched into the scene at the 11th hour. Don't know where they came from.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Super popular.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Exactly. And very well spoken. And they have valid points. And, you know, I don't I don't want to doubt or skimp on any of that. But they're missing the boat if they aren't talking about vaccines, because vaccines are being forced into people. No one's forced to eat Frosted Flakes.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And the vaccines are far more toxic than than chronic exposure to frosted flakes or these other things they're concerned about.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
I mean, that's one theory. I think Jack has another one that maybe there's some ties.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah, I'm sure. And I think if Jack dug into my history, you could you could put the same spider web on me. That's that's why I get a little more cautious on those things. Only that, you know, I came out of being funded by Francis. Why? Why am I giving a hall pass? Right. Uh, you can do a spider web diagram on anyone who's, who's been in the research field that will tie you to agencies like that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So I, I sometimes approach that with a little bit more caution, but, uh, I a hundred percent agree with him that, um, that's a smoke grenade. Like that doesn't matter right now. I mean, I'd love to solve that. And if you get rid of fluoride, cool. But like, uh, I've been talking with Peter just this weekend, he was like,
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
We've got to be really careful that if you march into this new government agency, if you will, with Bobby and Trump, if you go in and you be autocratic over things like fluoride, you're no better than them. Right. If you just go in and like clean house, like we're just going to rip fluoride out like things like fluoride are. Yeah, they've been around forever.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And I don't doubt that there's there's toxicity there and there's probably issues with IQ. But but you don't need to go in and be an autocrat to get rid of it. Like that's the scenario where you can be like, like, hold some panels and let's show them how to do this correctly with a little bit of peer review and perhaps, you know, some some group buy in.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Oh yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
I think the things where they're forcible mandating and injections onto kids, you can get autocratic on that. But I don't think you want to set the tone that, okay, the next dictator that comes into power is just going to clean house and everything Trump did. That this comes every four years, we just nuke everything and start over.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
There should be, I think, some sanity and some priority to the things we're doing. And I didn't see the stuff that the means were bringing forward necessarily as like hair on fire urgency. I'm like, yeah, that's important stuff.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But if you're talking about that and you refuse to speak about injecting kids with 80 vaccines that have aluminum and GMOs and all types of other crap in them, you're not calibrated.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Vitamin K probably.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Oh yeah, that's hepatitis. The hepatitis B, right? Yeah, yeah. That one's crazy too. That's crazy.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Their excuse is because there's two excuses I've heard uttered, which is they don't always have a good... understanding of the mother or the father status. Maybe they had a false negative on testing them, and so maybe the kid has it and may get it. The other thing they bring out is sexual abuse. So they're desperate. They're desperate to get these things into kids.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Okay. So, um, Where do we start? My background is a BS in biology from Emory University, and I learned how to do radioactive sequencing when I was there, which I thought was a trick I'd never use again in my life.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Are there any good vaccines that you would recommend that kids get? I have not gone through the whole list. In my mind, I've written them all off because when I've seen their behavior on the COVID vaccines, I don't trust them for anything else they've done. And I have read a little bit into like MMR and – What is it?
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
DTaP is another one that I've seen a lot of people have problems with. So I got immersed into a background that kind of turned me very skeptical of vaccines back in 2011. When we started sequencing all those kids with epilepsy and Mito and autism, a third of those parents told us it happened within 24 hours of the vaccine. Whew. And we're just like, whoa.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And even then, the physicians handling it, it was kind of like, okay, we're not going to talk about that. But some of them would speak out about it. Some wouldn't. But it was still – it's still one of these – I could see – When the papers were getting written about this, they would nerf the papers.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
They'd be like, all right, we did this study with Dravet syndrome and all the kids who got vaccinated got Dravet six months earlier. And then the conclusions would be there does seem to be an earlier onset of Dravet syndrome, which, by the way, if it's earlier, that might be the difference from your kid ever speaking and not speaking. But we should still get vaccinated.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Vaccines are important for public health. Like they would always bring out this greater good argument that that, OK, there might be some risk here, but the benefits outweigh the risks. And we're never going to show you that math. Right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And I think that's a very dangerous form of public health when they begin socializing these types of equations and thinking about common good artifacts, because you can never really measure like. Good for who? Like what's the common good? Like what is that? That's very Hitler-esque. Like is it good for you? Is it good for me? So the vaccines always behave that way. They're herd medicine.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
They're not an argument on individual sovereignty. They're not sort of a libertarian medicine, if you will. They're like you need to sacrifice your health because we're trying to save – Grandma. Yeah. And that is that's a socialist tradeoff that I think is always abused in the benefit of the people closest to the money machine.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And it turned out shortly after I did maybe a nine or 10-month stint at a company doing pharmaceutical marketing, I decided I want to get back to the bench and luckily got into the Human Genome Project up in Cambridge at MIT. my resume ended up on Trevor Hawkins desk from two different people at once. Um, for some bizarre reason, he hired me.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yep. Yeah. And if you ever speak to her again, just ask her, hey, can you tell me what kind of reimbursement you get for having 70 percent of your kids vaccinated?
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Because there's kickbacks.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And Stark Law is supposed to be against that. But for some reason, they're playing those games. I think we saw that with Blue Cross Blue Shield and Anthem. Some of the numbers went around where they were giving reimbursements for doctors for getting people vaccinated with COVID. There was like $100 shots here and there, which is upsetting that that stuff is not more publicly known.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Well, if you want to learn about decentralizing medicine, come to our conference in Puerto Rico called CanMed. So that is in, I think it's June 17th this year. Puerto Rico is great. It's not a floating island of garbage.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Well, who knows? The hurricanes go through there, but San Juan's awesome. So San Juan has great cats, by the way. Oh, do they? They're trying to kill the wild cats down there.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Oh, where's that?
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
I haven't been there. I have to go visit.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
It's fantastic. This is being held on the northeast side of the island, I think, at a hotel complex down there. I think that's where the bioluminescent pools are that I've been in before kayaking. But anyway, the type of people that it attracts are physicians who have figured out how to get around the FDA with cannabinoids. I mean, FDA is not really – getting around is the wrong word.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But they're physicians that have learned this game. Like many of the COVID physicians right now – are realizing with ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, what a nightmare this is. And how do they get access to these drugs now that there's a war against these generics? Well, the physicians that have been doing this in the cannabis space figured this out 40 years ago.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
They have figured out how to get a state-by-state initiative to get medical cannabis to patients. We should be thinking about the same things for other generic drugs that they're trying to take from the population or tie up in pharmaceutical red tape, if you will.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And physicians that are good at that are also very open to psilocybin and into red light therapy and into cold dipping and all of these alternatives to keep you out of the hospital. The cheap stuff. The cheap stuff that no pharmaceutical wants to fund and that you can do by yourself.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Basically, the patient-physician relationship is what we need to garner, and no one else should be in that but you and the physician. And these physicians are trying to develop medicines that keep that relationship closer rather than having a third party in the middle of it all.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So it's a great group of people because you'll get physicians or get nurses, you'll get growers, you'll get analytical chemists who know how to do the safety testing.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And we tend to get a lot of regulators and politicians that come down as well just to see, like, how do we do this safely in different jurisdictions and not make the same mistakes as the people who who cut the first first stones on this, if you will.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yes. Dr. William Mackis was just presenting on this, and they're using fenbenon ivermectin. Really? Yes. For cancer. Yes. Yeah, I know. And the exact mechanism, I'll leave it for him to describe. I haven't quite figured out how that's behaving. And then there's probably some relevance if they are in fact spike protein driven and you have evidence of spike being there.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
I saw McCullough present on – they're building some tests to test for spike protein. We're working with some people as well that we have DNA tests to look for the DNA floating around. We don't look for the protein, but those are tests that people can potentially run. So they're building the diagnostic tools to search for, all right, is this turbo cancer related to the vaccine? Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And, um, the guys who hired me a year later who were running that group were also MIT grads. And there's this thing in MIT that if you're still at MIT a year, if you graduate, you're kind of still in your mom's basement. Uh, and so they decided they had to leave and they left the reins to me. And I started running the research and development program there.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
If it is and there's spike protein there, well, then there's a detox protocol that people are using for that for long COVID and for long vax that might play a role in cancer. And then the fenben and the ivermectin stories are beginning to build. What I'd like to do is get that crowd together with the people who know the antineoplastic activity of cannabinoids.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Maybe get Dr. Kruse down there who knows about light. Uh, you know, start bringing in these, these people that have, uh, that are down different rabbit holes and, and bring them together to see if, if we can put it all together and, and, uh, and, and improve upon it all.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
You can say that about hydroxychloroquine. Structurally, I don't see the structural connection there, but maybe there is a mechanistic connection there in what it does. I mean, if you look at the molecules, they're very different. But maybe it's a precursor in the synthesis of HCQ that I don't know about. But I have seen the data on nicotine.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
The people who were using nicotine were not getting COVID-19. Like it does something to the regulation of the ACE receptors that probably inhibits the virus from getting into the cell.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah, I know. So the one contrast I've heard, I'm surprised by that story because they say you want things like that. Like if you're going to- Yeah, if you're going to do it, do it orally because the smoking has all types of endotoxin and other crap in there that can inflame your lungs. And it's common sense. That's probably a better delivery mechanism.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But I've also heard – I think it was Alexa who was on your cast talking about swallowing that stuff can probably throw off your gut microbiome. Right, right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah, I've got to listen. She's one of those podcasts I got to listen to a second time.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
It is. And as someone who's spent time in mitochondrial genetics, she's on the mark. Like a lot of the stuff she was saying, I was like, yep, if you get into the cannabinoid space, you have to understand the mitochondria. It's core to the whole pathway on the endocannabinoid system. So if you can't make it to Puerto Rico, all of the videos we have are online.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
So I was just trying to get Alexis down there too. So we do put them up online, canmedevents.com. There's about six or seven years of maybe probably 30 or 40 presentations on cannabinoids and psilocybin and how to use these things clinically, how to probe them, how to QC them that are online for... for anyone to download.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
And if you're into the genetics of the plant, which we didn't really touch on much here, we host another site called cannapedia.net that has over 2,000 genomes up there that you can download. It's open for anyone to download. There's another 120, I think, psilocybin or psilocybe cubensis genomes that are up on our website as well under psilocedia.net.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
These are all like alternative cannabinoids that we don't know much about because they're technically not cannabis.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Um, as that scaled up and raced against Craig mentor and, uh, So, we built a really vast DNA sequencing pipeline at the Whitehead, and through the course of that, we discovered various new ways of isolating DNA, patented those, and as the Human Genome Project came to close, a bunch of pharmaceutical companies started asking, like, how do we license this stuff?
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
We're doing the same thing that we did with cannabis genetics on psilocybe where we sequenced the genomes and put them on a chain and and document all the variants that exist in the pathway that make the compound so we can hopefully better predict. It's not one compound, and just like in cannabis, psilocybin, everyone has their focus on psilocin and psilocybin.
Danny Jones Podcast
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There's originasin, there's norbeocysteine, there's beocysteine, there's a whole portfolio of tryptamines and monoamine oxidase inhibitors in that thing that play an entourage effect. What about dimethyltryptamine? Dimethyltryptamine is very similar to psilocybin. And psilocybin obviously has a phosphate group that that doesn't have. But it's a dual-methyltryptamine.
Danny Jones Podcast
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However, DMT degrades very, very quickly in your body. So people who smoke DMT, it's a five- or ten-minute experience because your body knows how to clear it. Your body knows how to make it. Um, the, um, psilocin ends up lasting longer. So psilocin is actually, psilocybin is a pro drug. It's, it comes phosphorylated, your gut defosses it, and then you end up with psilocin in the bloodstream.
Danny Jones Podcast
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And that's actually the 5-HT2A, um, agonist that, that, that binds the serotonin receptors. Um, but it has a much longer duration in the body. So your experience is longer and probably, it probably has a slightly different activity on the receptors as well as DMT. Um, but, uh, yeah, I, I, those are things, it being Veterans Day, we should have done a whole story on that, you know? Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
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That is something that is a crime to hold back to those patients. We tried to vote it in in Massachusetts. It didn't fly. We got close, but it's going to need another go, I think, for us to get it over the mark, over the 50% mark there in Massachusetts. But it is showing a tremendous amount of promise. People are also using that in cancer.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
I've seen it at CanMed, which was news to me until I saw a triple negative breast cancer woman use that. With what again? Psilocybin.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
In conjunction with cannabinoid oils, but she did three structured trips, if you will, that were deep, heroic dose events and used cannabinoids all the way through. But there's something about it that resets your immune system that we just don't understand. Really? I would look up, I think Andrew Weil is the one, or maybe it was Paul Stamets.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
But one of them used to be allergic to bees and did a trip and their allergies went away. Whoa. And I think it was Paul Stamets who used to have a stutter and went away with psilocybin. And so it does some, it's a lot of neuroplasticity and neurogenesis, I think, that occurs with those compounds that can help restructure the brain.
Danny Jones Podcast
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And that's where I think veterans are showing so much promise with it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah, thank you for having me.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Yeah, Twitter, Substack. Medicinal Genomics is the website that holds all of that genetic information if you're into that stuff. And then CanMed Events is where you'll find the conference we run if you're interested in attending that. It's a high-end conference down in Puerto Rico. It should be a good time. Okay.
Danny Jones Podcast
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All right, good. Awesome. Kevin, thanks so much, man. I really appreciate it. All right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
We need to import this stuff into our facilities. We spun out a company in called. And what was the purpose of the human genome?
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
All right. So, yeah, I'll back up on that. So we wanted the whole. It was really this is an important history, actually, that you cover. I'm glad you asked. So the goal back then in the dream and how it was sold to the American public.
Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Delta-8 is one. So if you take CBD, you can take CBD, which comes out of hemp and is not psychoactive. Very, very helpful compound for epilepsy, a lot of different diseases. But you can acid catalyze that into Delta-8. which is psychoactive. And then that is technically derived from hemp. And you can sell that in an unregulated fashion across state lines everywhere.