Karen Pipkin Guerrero

Okay.

Okay.

Joe's source has just told him that in the early 1970s, when she worked for the police department's intelligence unit, that police officers had recorded telephone conversations between two people where one person was not a cop.

Joe's source has just told him that in the early 1970s, when she worked for the police department's intelligence unit, that police officers had recorded telephone conversations between two people where one person was not a cop.

As he was sniffing around the police in the spring of 1978, he started to suspect that someone was sniffing around him and his family too. His wife Jenny was out shopping for clothes for her kids and noticed she was being followed by a couple of men with suits, hats and ties. She told Joe about it.

As he was sniffing around the police in the spring of 1978, he started to suspect that someone was sniffing around him and his family too. His wife Jenny was out shopping for clothes for her kids and noticed she was being followed by a couple of men with suits, hats and ties. She told Joe about it.

And there was another time when she and Joe heard some loud noises outside their home late one night as they were getting ready to go to bed.

And there was another time when she and Joe heard some loud noises outside their home late one night as they were getting ready to go to bed.

We don't know if Joe Royer ever reported these threats, but he was evidently rattled enough that a couple of months later, Joe packed up his family and moved them to Florida. He was adamant that no one should know their whereabouts. For over a year, they kept it a secret.

We don't know if Joe Royer ever reported these threats, but he was evidently rattled enough that a couple of months later, Joe packed up his family and moved them to Florida. He was adamant that no one should know their whereabouts. For over a year, they kept it a secret.

As far as we can tell, Joe never found the hard evidence he was looking for, that the Oklahoma City Police had Karen Silkwood under surveillance.

As far as we can tell, Joe never found the hard evidence he was looking for, that the Oklahoma City Police had Karen Silkwood under surveillance.

For Joe, there was no smoking gun, and none of what he gathered ever ended up in court. The judge limited the case to Karen's contamination.

For Joe, there was no smoking gun, and none of what he gathered ever ended up in court. The judge limited the case to Karen's contamination.

All righty, this is Tuesday morning, the 15th of November, and replacing a call to Larry Dellinger. Important call.

All righty, this is Tuesday morning, the 15th of November, and replacing a call to Larry Dellinger. Important call.

Hello? Mr. Dellinger? Yes. Yes, sir. I don't believe we've ever met. My name is Bob Sands. Well, have you got just a minute to chat? Yeah, I suppose so. Okay. In the early 1990s, this guy named Larry Dellinger worked as a trooper for the Oklahoma State Highway Patrol. I explained that we had a friend in common. And this friend... Gave me a tape recording years ago and swore me to secrecy.

Hello? Mr. Dellinger? Yes. Yes, sir. I don't believe we've ever met. My name is Bob Sands. Well, have you got just a minute to chat? Yeah, I suppose so. Okay. In the early 1990s, this guy named Larry Dellinger worked as a trooper for the Oklahoma State Highway Patrol. I explained that we had a friend in common. And this friend... Gave me a tape recording years ago and swore me to secrecy.

Yeah, I kind of figured you'd figure this out pretty quick. Back in 1992, Larry stumbled into some information about Karen Silkwood's death that troubled him. So he started taping himself, making a record of what he was doing, just in case.

Yeah, I kind of figured you'd figure this out pretty quick. Back in 1992, Larry stumbled into some information about Karen Silkwood's death that troubled him. So he started taping himself, making a record of what he was doing, just in case.