Judyth Vary Baker
Appearances
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Lee was on the first floor.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, and we have pretty good evidence of that. What they didn't know is they tried to put him on the second floor. That's where the whites ate their lunch. Lee Oswald, remember I told you he got arrested in New Orleans on the 9th and everything, and it was embarrassing to his family and everything? Well, at that time when he had to go, that was on August 9th.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And excuse me.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Okay, on Monday, the next Monday, he has to go in and pay a $10 fine, which is like $100 today. Mm-hmm. He sits on the black side with the blacks. When we rode on the buses, we sat in the back of the bus with the blacks. We were so pro-civil rights. Lee Oswald wasn't eating lunches ever. They didn't know this with the whites on the second floor.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He was always eating with the blacks on the first floor. They've got to get him on the second floor because there's no way they know that if he was supposedly on the first floor where, by the way, he's... He mentioned two blacks he saw that were in there. He said, yeah, I was with Sosa. They saw me eating, you know, lunch there. And he's drinking Dr. Pepper.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I try not to cry because our lives changed so much after my grandmother died. And it never would be the same. I actually had skipped a couple grades in school, and I actually dropped out of school for a whole year. I just went in there, took their test, and dropped out. So I didn't want to go to school.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
His favorite drink, Dr. Pepper, not Coca-Cola. Coca-Cola machine was on the second floor. Dr. Pepper machine is on the first floor. Yeah. So anyway, there's lots of stuff like that going on. So they have to change it that he's on the second floor, even though he never ate up there. There's so many things. A lot of it's in the, most of it's in the book.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Now I had to put it in the book because it's something that happened to me at any time. I've been hit by cars three times. I almost lost my left eye. I've had all my teeth knocked out in the front.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Cut break line. What? Oh yeah. It's on record.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, that happened in Orlando, Florida. Get this. I get my car to go to teach. And I go on the track, pump, there's no brake, bam, I get T-boned, okay?
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, it's on this side, but this side's okay. I can still use it. I'm desperate because I've already had bad things happen. And I've already been hit. All right, it's a long story, but I was just recovering. I didn't want to lose my job. So I got balled out. Now, I was a mother of three sons. I helped them rebuild their car engines.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And this guy's saying, stupid woman, you know, your master cylinder's empty.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I said, no, that's impossible. I know how to fill a master cylinder with fluid.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, of course I do. I can rebuild engines. I don't even know how to do that. I know how to build a rocket engine. I really admire Elon Musk. I know what hell he's been through. All right. But at any rate. Bad things happen to good people, I'll tell you. At any rate, so he says, he filled it up.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Now, next morning, now, when they towed it, they just towed it half a block because the place was right there. So I'm going to get, he's right there, and I'm going right into traffic again, just like, almost like when I started out, okay? Bam, I get hit again.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
By this time, I hit a Cadillac. The guy is so angry, they put me in court right away. Well, the mechanic followed. He said, no way in hell. I filled that myself. He said, I got under. It's on record. My brake line was severed. Yeah. Wow.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I had for 13 years the History Channel put out there that I helped create AIDS. I claimed that I helped create AIDS. I got so many death threats that I had to live overseas.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
the last 13 years i moved every 90 days for 13 years what yes every 90 days you gotta see my passports yeah passports because you fill them up you know and you did this because you think that they're following you trying to whack think you know I've got Sweden couldn't keep me because U.S. does. I said, don't you think that one person, maybe 300 million people might have a trouble with the U.S.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
government? They were going to deport me right away when I went there for political asylum. But then they found records that somebody accused me via Osama bin Laden's friend and all these other horrible things. And so they looked into it longer. They were going to deport me finally. He said, we don't know what to do with you because we're not allowed.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
You're not, you know, you're not from Iran or anything, you know. And you've got a service dog. By the way, my service dog was poisoned. The one before hers shot to death. All this is on record. I'm going to get emotional. I don't want to get emotional because it does no good. I'd be followed. I'd turn around and take their pictures. They quit doing that. I got pictures of these people.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Others tried to help me. We'd meet at a restaurant and somebody else would sit down and stare at them until they got scared to death and left, you know, that kind of thing. It's a lot of intimidation.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
uh so it's it's interesting lee and i both spent a lot of time not going to school we had very parallel lives at this time it's amazing now he was a little older than i all right but we're listening on the shortwave radio remember my dad had the best shortwave and back then that's the internet for us shortwave we got the news and by the way it was real news not what we call views today, okay?
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Let me explain. For example, Mexico City, I have the documents showing that every single original document in Mexico City was destroyed. They were all rewritten. I've got page after page directives of what they did. And then they put in the safe the stuff that they pretended that were very important. And sent the rest to the Warren Commission.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
But stuff that was all laundered, it's all marked sanitized even.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
They will never release what really happened.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Now, here's what's going on.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I mean, they released the Aparicio files. I say Raul Aparicio. It's really important because I'm the only one who knew anymore what happened with Raul. He's the only one that could have issued a visa for Lee Oswald in one day.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And so they made sure he got sick and went to the hospital so he couldn't get a visa to Lee. Well, how did Lee know about him? Turns out we've got records. Most of them are laundered, but you can tell Aparicio had some kind of connection with the CIA. Now, Teresa Perenza was there. This is important. Lee says, where's Raul? I need to – I've got the photographer.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
If you are a photographer or anything like that, you can get a one-day visa for cultural reasons into – I say, get a visa in one day to Cuba. So he tried to get it. And Aparicio wisely is in the hospital. You know what I mean? He doesn't want to. He's scared. I know. But nobody knew who he was. They'd forgotten. So these got released like padding. They didn't realize how important it was.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
None of it was redacted. And I've got all kinds of stuff about that. So anyway, Proenza is the cultural attache's assistant. She's a lesbian who had the hots for Sylvia Duran, so Sylvia sent Lee over there to meet her, to meet Aparicio. And she, Teresa, said, well, he asked where he was, and I told him he wasn't there. This is important. Everything was fine. He said, goodbye, bye.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I'm sorry he's not here. CIA had a big problem because they had posted after the assassination, they knew Lee Oswald went to the embassy. So they said he was in there screaming, I want to kill JFK, screaming and yelling like he's insane. But you've got Proenza saying he was totally rational and called. What are we going to do?
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
They went and framed Proenza and said she was working for the CIA, got her arrested. She ended up two years in jail in Cuba, in Savannah, before they finally realized she had been framed. OK, so we got all these people are wiped out and so on in every direction. So nobody knew about Proenza until I mentioned it, what the real reason was.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So recently, two documents got released, and they'd forgotten about Proenza a little bit. And at the bottom of each one, it says they want to show the list of these guys who are working for the CIA. And it mentions Proenza. They say, no, don't mention her. Cut her name out. Because, of course, that wasn't true. And by then, people had realized that she'd been put on there on purpose.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
The day after my last child left home, which was December 26, 1998, I finally dared to take out the film JFK and look at it. Of course, it made me ill. If you understood all that I had gone through, you'd understand how I'd hidden it. I thought, sure, I promised Lee I would speak out. He said, I'd only ask you to please let my little girls know that I was a good guy. And I let him down.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So they had to remove the names. I've got both those documents. I posted them on X. I'm at Judith on X. It's the only place, thank God for Elon Musk. It's the only place I've been able to speak. I've got so many documents I've already posted there. Okay.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
This is the tip of the iceberg, the stuff I've got.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
You want to show people what they did to my book?
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
It was the real thing. So we're hearing machine guns going off. We're hearing bombs going off. We're hearing the Hungarians begging America, where were you? You said you were going to help us, and you could hear them dying. It was horrible. Well, somebody else was listening as well, and that was Lee Oswald. On October 23, 1956, he's listening on shortwave radio. To please the Hungarians.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
But you see what they did? They ruined it. Absolutely.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
They're unsaleable. A piece of paper hanging out of them, somewhat typed upside down. You pick up the cover, it falls off.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Me and Lee is 10 years old. We've got all the documents, 2017. We've got Raul Aparicio and other stuff. See, I could say these things, but I couldn't put it in the book until I had evidence to back it up. Everything I'm telling you, I have documents on. And by the way, I have backups. By the way, I have depositions because I've started working with attorneys.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And now my testimony is in the portal of Texas history. I've got the documentation to show that I have credible. I had it. I told you I showed you about 60 minutes. I'd like to before we finish.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No, 14 months.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, but the point is they tried very hard to do it. They were not allowed to.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, no, 60 Minutes. So we had Don Hewitt, who founded 60 Minutes. Phil Scheffler is number one guy. And, well, we had a number of other people that were involved. But the point is, is it was a wonderful team, all right, set up. And the difficulty that we had is that CBS at the top had Dan Rather on. The one who said, oh, I saw Kennedy's head thrown violently forward, you know.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So nobody knew. That's right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So he's at the top and he could get in big trouble. And CBS has got new people up there. And they locked three times. They tried to film me. I even had makeup on my face the third time. And he blocked it. So 60 Minutes got really mad about it all, you know.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Mike Wallace said, this ain't going to fly. He said, look, what they're going to do, we're going to have to cancel this because they won't even give us a special because like you, you know, it needs a lot of time. They won't give us a special. He said, we've got to make sure that Baker, he didn't say Judith or anything like that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
We've got to make sure Baker doesn't get discredited because we have to. So they made CVS issue to me two checks. And I showed you one of them. You have a copy of the W-2 form.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
CVS had to pay me over $2,000 in lost wages. They've never did that in history. No, they've never paid anybody.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, they couldn't film. They destroyed everything. They didn't. They had audio. They didn't have film made yet. They had audio, but they all destroyed. But they gave me back all my documents. When you hand over a document at 60 Minutes, you don't get it back. I got mine back. I got the money. He said, we've got to show that you were credible.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
60 Minutes, CBS, not going to pay somebody if they're not a credible witness. And that'll be your proof. So I showed that to you.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Think about, well, let me put it this way. Think about the lockdowns that happened, how people were forced to do something that maybe they shouldn't have been forced to have to do. People, use your imaginations. Understand, who would have ever dreamed that the whole world would be locked down over something like that? That just sounds like a fairy tale, too.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
You won't find this in Wikipedia.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So this thing is big, and it's linked to all that. We can trace it all the way back from Chester Sotham with his experiments. That virus we can trace all the way back to us. They don't want you to hear it, and they're going to make fun of me forever.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, God bless you. And I credit God that I'm alive.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No. He just turned 17. He tried when he was 16 to join the Marines, and with a fake birth certificate the mafia made for him, that didn't work. And his mother wanted him out anyway. That was fine with Lee. He was the youngest, and he wanted to follow his brothers in the military. Mm-hmm. So he tried to join. Well, now he's 17. He's thinking about joining, but he'd like to finish high school.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
They saved my left eye. I've had so much damage done. I can't feel either of my hands. I see double vision. I'm legally blind, all this kind of stuff. Wow. But you see how well I read. I've learned.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, one time I could read 4,200 words a minute.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
But then he hears the Hungarian Revolution. That's on the 23rd. On the 24th, Lee Oswald joined the Marines to fight the Reds, as he told me with his own mouth. Is anybody telling you he's pro-communist? All that is a front because he wanted to be a spy. His great dream was to do like Herbert Philbrick.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I led three lives, and I have a very important document I sent you guys because I would be sent to New Orleans. I mean, excuse me, to Buffalo, New York at one point for training. And I'm going to show you as I show that to Lee and why that's important. So we have enough time on this wonderful show. Yes. I can do that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Things like this, because the background is so important to understand how much I know about Lee Oswald.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Not just a girlfriend. In fact, I consider myself his fiance. Yes, I'll tell you. Lee Oswald, Friday morning, he's going off, as he told me, they're probably going to kill him.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I talked to him only 37 and a half hours before the assassination. He left his wedding ring behind. Understand? Because he told me, I'm not going to come with you with that wedding ring on. He left it behind. So there's a lot more I can tell you. Yeah. It was a real signal to me, you know.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
She kept that ring for years. Marina Oswald did when she heard that he left it behind because he intended to marry someone else. She sold it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Good Lord. Poor thing. I mean, you wouldn't want to hold on to it, would you?
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's right. So she finally sold it when she realized the background on it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Let's go back.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's not back far enough. I'll just go a little bit here, show you some pictures. Because when this IQ thing came along, that's when I got my own lab. His name was Dr. Knute Mickelson. Came to visit CIA. Now, the only way I can prove it is he's using a fake name, but it happened to be in our student newspaper where it talked about his whole history, like he'd been a spy for Hitler.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I mean, against Hitler, but pretending to be pro-Hitler. He took a shine to me, thank God, because he came to interview me and two others, David Dietrich and Dave Tracy. All three of us had scored very, very high IQs in the state of Florida. Here we're at the same school. Probably if it had been one of us, I don't know where they made that trip, but he made it for the three of us.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And he focused on me then for almost two weeks. Taught me all kinds of things. I think it's because I was a girl and he never had a daughter or something. But he told me all about his life and how his family rejected him. Boy, do I know how that feels now myself. because they all thought that he was working as a spy for Hitler, not against him, and all that. And you know what?
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
When I told this to Lee, You should have seen his face because his whole family was rejecting him because he was doing the same sort of thing, pretending to be pro-Castro, all that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And imagine, he said, here's one of the things he said, like, he got arrested on August 9th for handing out, they said, public disturbance and all that. I've got so much to say about that, what happened there. Mm-hmm. He said, you have no idea how I felt getting my mug shot.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I had lived clean for my family, and now I'm in New Orleans where I was born and raised so much of the time, and I'm disgracing my family. I'm doing this for my country. But it really hurt him. And I just about cried with him because I understood because of Mickelson had told me all the – so when I told him all the stuff Mickelson went through.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And there are other things that I was able to tell him. It really created a bond between us. And he would end up – he had no one to talk to, but he understood. We just hit it off immediately, and I'll talk about how we met as soon as I managed to get through the training. Okay. So we're talking about all that training. Now, Alton Ochsner, I'm going to try and force things out.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I was afraid. Now something stirred in me because it said in Oliver Stone's movie there, it said, silence, you know, is evil too. To be silent is to... And I knew I couldn't be silent anymore. I laid out all the evidence. Not all, I have boxes and boxes. Why did I save evidence? I was in a project secretly funded by the CIA and the mafia and so on to kill Fidel Castro.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
This is very interesting. At the time in 1960, when I'm not only getting my own lab, but military officers insist that I go and learn Russian.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
You're in high school. They want me to be able to translate cancer research things. Right now, by the way, I had invented a new way to get magnesium out of seawater that hadn't been done before. Yeah, I was 16. And that sent me to the International Science Fair. That's where I brought all my cancer research stuff with me at that time.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And so Eli Lilly and all that got to see it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And although there's many circumstances why I was not able to even get interviewed, it didn't matter because all of a sudden I've got Oak Ridge on my side. I've got Walter Reed Institute. They're sending me material. They will be sending me materials. including esoteric chemicals and things. I got mice by then from the Rockefeller Foundation.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Then later I would get them from other sources, and it's from banks. They laundered this through banks, you know, offering the mice, that kind of thing. But it was all really—I was being started already in this training. I'm still in high school. I ended up, well, I want to back up now, show you this medicine urged as Cold War aid. I want you to see this.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And you might read the first paragraph or so. That's Alton Ochsner. This is 1960. It's about the same time I've gone to International Science Fair and so on.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Okay, Alton Ochsner ends up being on the secret side of things, all right, to try and kill Fidel Castro.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Right. And by the way, I'll be talking about how I gave lung cancer to mice in only seven days. I got his attention, as you can imagine.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
with the fbi for some clandestine operation he did some sort of secret work for the fbi we have not only fbi we have i have documents in my possession showing that his last contact of oxford clinic was november 1963.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I'm a witness. A witness they've tried to stop. But I can't be stopped because this is also about love. It's also about justice. It's also about the truth. And I'm still here despite everything. And everything is a lot. All right. Because I first started speaking out early in 1999. And that completely destroyed my life.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
The Soxer Clinic.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He was associated with Tulane and we were associated with Tulane and also with the Covington, the Primate Research Center, very important.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, there's also Sarah Stewart.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Unfortunately, he mixed up Sarah Stewart's name with Dr. Mary Sherman's name. It was really Dr. Mary Sherman that was working with me in New Orleans. So
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He absolutely did. I sent you a picture. There it is.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And I'll show you the special training and everything I had for that. But the whole idea was we thought we were saving the world. Just like today, if somebody said, hey, we know how to kill Putin, the U.S. won't be involved because it'll look like natural. A biological weapon was being created and I got involved in that.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
His grandson died in two weeks.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's right. And he did this in front of the press and everything. Now, that taught him a big lesson. This is what you have to understand. He trusted his doctors. He trusted them. Now he realizes Castro has doctors that he trusts. And some of them secretly hate his guts.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
There are ways to get to castor oil. If not that, text. When doctors ask for a vial of penicillin, somebody takes it out of the refrigerator. Who put it in? You have to understand how there are so many ways to get to castor oil.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No, CIA, FBI is only peripheral. He actually founded Inca.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No, this was called...
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's right. They went to over 3,000 radio stations all over Latin America, Middle America, and so on.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Of course. And one of them was my boss. Let's get started. There's something I want you to see. This is Thursday, March 15th. I'm going in chronological order here. You've got that for 1960, so on, when that started. In 62... JFK comes to New Orleans to dedicate a pier. Now, of all the people that hated JFK, Alton Oxford has to be at the top. Despise the man. Hated him.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Oh, for many, many reasons. He thought he was a communist. Remember, this guy is always, you can't get anybody more anti-communist than Old Moxner. That doesn't mean he was always right. In this thing, the idea of catering to anything, any demands, he was completely, of course, the CIA told him what they thought of him because of Bay of Pigs and all that. Made JFK take the blame.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So I just want to say I laid out the evidence.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
We now know it wasn't him. There's a lot I could tell you about David Ferry and how he thought that JFK was to blame as well. David Ferry is someone that I sent you a clip about him.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He was always a CIA pilot.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
The thing is, is that I say always. I mean, in the... anytime from the Bay of Pigs on, okay, and before he was training, anti-castro pilots for the CIA and things like that. And he was a fantastic pilot himself. But I want you to see this. It's going to be very remarkable. This is from the Congress of the United States, all right. Thursday, March 15, 1962, Kennedy is going to come to New Orleans.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
On the bed. I looked at it and I started shaking all over because I knew I had enough evidence.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Guess who is in charge of all the details for his visit?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Alton Ochsner.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
A surgeon. Who hates him. He gets all the medical information about JFK. He gets all the information about, remember they had a parade, all the parade information. One year later, that's going to become very valuable. We're talking about 1963. A year later, this is March 62. And he knows everybody that are involved with the parades and everything.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So anyway, here's the document showing he was in charge of everything for JFK. You go about the center of the document there.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I watched the film. And so. By January 1999, I was teaching at university. I don't want to mention all that, but the fact is that you have a big break until way after New Year's, Christmas. So I actually wrote most of the book during that period of time. I have an eidetic memory. You'll later find out 60 Minutes was a maze because...
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I may have to read where it is. You've lost it, huh?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Here, let me get it back. I'll read the part. Sorry about that. All right. Okay. Congressman Vox says all the members that the... So this was addressed to Ochsner? Just a moment.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
The International House of New Orleans will sponsor the president's visit to the Crescent City, Congressman Boggs said. Dr. Alton Ochsner, president of International House and as internationally famous surgeon, will be in charge of arrangements in New Orleans for the president's visit.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yep.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Just above where you're reading.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, I've got all kinds of documents other people don't have. Here's a picture. Let's go back a little bit about, as I said, getting my own lab and all that. It got into... Probably one of the reasons I didn't get killed like almost everybody did who was in these projects is because I was just too much in the news. Had newspaper articles and lots of stuff showing me in the labs. Here we go.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, you may want to show it. I can't see well enough to know what I'm doing.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, that was in my lab. Now, that lab.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, we've got lots and lots of.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
You'll notice one that says national meet there. All right, with scientists. It says near the bottom, look.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I may have to show it to you.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, this is important. Senior attends National Meet with Scientists right here.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No, I just know where that's there. What's important is that this wasn't any ordinary. I crashed it, actually, and they were going to arrest me. But I had nobody... The work I was doing was so advanced that none of the doctors I was working with, even though two of them had trained at Oak Ridge, understood what I was doing. And, see, Dr. Alton Ochster would be there.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Also, Dr. Harold Deal, who was the vice president of the American Cancer Society. All three of them then came to my lab. When they saw what I had, by the way, the lab by then had been, people were scared because of the way the mice looked, the big tumors and everything. They moved me under the stadium. They rebuilt the lab for me under the stadium.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I gave, but now I'm 17.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Wait, wait. No. All right. First of all, when they see what I've got, I was able to show them and proved it with all my documents and everything. Then I gave my lung cancer in only seven days. It would take them four years to duplicate what I did because it had to be duplicated to prove I did it at Russell Park Institute by Dr. James T. Grace.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I did it in three months. It took them four years.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah. Well, you've got to think out of the box.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's the problem. So, you know. All right. So when this happened, they sent me to Roswell Park Institute for training. Not just ordinary training. I was in Dr. George Moore. He was in charge of 800 researchers. And they also had a program going on with students and all that they could slip me into. So they had a reason to get me there, you know.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And I actually attended seminars that were by Dr. Moran. And we've got a photograph I sent to you. It shows me one of six people they pick out to interview. So I got the papers and all that in Buffalo, New York and so on. Why is it important? Because... I wasn't just in the students. These are witnesses are coming up.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
They had a 14-month investigation of me, and tapes that they had made early on when they replayed them and asked me the same questions, I was identical and everything. I don't need a calendar or anything, you know. And so, I mean, it's all clear. I see things in pictures.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
OK. All right. Basically, what what's going on is that I am not just one of these other students. I'm in Dr. I met Dr. Moore, who runs the whole thing in his personal lab. We're working on a special formula that can grow cancer cells faster than any other formula on earth. Now, why do we want to do that?
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
We want to grow cancer cells fast so that it can figure out, they told me, so that it could figure out how to- Steve, there's a full screen button on the top left. You'll see I'm the woman, the girl there on the right, bottom right. That's me there.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
and they just picked us uh we were supposed to be the outstanding ones so they grabbed us and put us together but i mean we're talking about hundreds uh 60 they had about 60 of these students there and some of them were uh they were from all over the united states okay hungary and everywhere okay but i really was the only part of that group for seminars i was in Dr. Moore's own lab.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And at that time, we were working with bacteriophage. We were working with a certain monkey virus. And I became an expert in handling this, one of the few. But I helped develop something called the RPMI 1640 formula. It's very complicated. It grows cancer faster than anything. I have a document there I sent you that shows that I was asked to do more research on how to make cancer more deadly.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, they told me it's because we have to figure out how to, you know, if we can grow it faster, it gives us ideas on how to, you know, conquer it. That was a lie. I was being introduced.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yes.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, the idea being like if you give kids milk, they're going to grow faster. Therefore, if you want to kill kids, you're not going to give them any milk. That's the idea, you know.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, so it's like that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All right, all right. I fell for it, okay? Right, okay. Because they're prestigious doctors. I believe my doctors. You know, all these important people.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I became, after all, I gave cancer to mice in seven days. So I had methods that they were fascinated with and everything.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I knew Dr. James Renier. Remember, I said we're a Hungarian family. My grandmother knew the Renier family who were born in Vienna. including Dr. Renier, and we're right across the border in Capovar, just miles away, and of course they knew each other, is what I'm saying. My grandmother's very educated. She could speak many languages and so on.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yes, I do.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
She even went overseas seven times to get more training in the convent, because that's what girls had to do back then. So, Dr. Raniers actually moved to the, of all places, to South Bend. That's where I was born. That's where my family was. So, we have a bunch of Hungarians there. South Bend, Indiana, he is a professor at the University of Notre Dame. My family donated land to Notre Dame.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, now I've had four. I have some blanks now. I've had four concussions. I've been hit by cars three times. I've had one time a hood of, I'm sorry, a trunk of a car was slammed down on my head. There have been, you know, everything's documented.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
You can see a small cemetery. I could get buried there if I wanted, okay? So we're talking about close ties. So yes, of course, the ties continue with Dr. Renier. He ended up being the first person to develop germ-free mice.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
We have them all over the place now because then you can introduce a germ to a mouse and find out really what happens without any interference.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Pure, clean mice. But let me tell you, you have to put them in an environment where nothing can reach them. No germs, like Bubble Boy.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, that's the point. Is cancer something you can give them, or is it because of eating or whatever? If germ-free mycin, you introduce a certain virus and it causes cancer, bingo. Okay? And I did.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, if I mention it, I'm going to get in trouble, right?
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
But I didn't know it was that. It was, they determined that later. I cannot prove that. There's a document I cannot.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, let me explain how I did this.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Because I needed cancer in order to, how are you going to go and kill cancer without cancer? No, I understand why you're doing it. Yeah.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, that's what I'm going to tell you.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Wait, just a second. Okay.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All right. So the fact of the matter is, is that remember I said I had made a new method of getting magnesium out of seawater.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I had chambers that were built that no... if one bit of oxygen got into these chambers it could explode it could die okay all right so we had i had to pump argon gas on top of the when we're refining the magnesium uh you know at one point if
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
any moxins you got in uh it could explode and my dad didn't want to lose me all right so he helped develop i had two chambers well those turned out to be perfect for putting germ-free mice in nothing could get in okay yeah so we could pump in the air filtered and all that kind of thing okay so where did you get the virus well we didn't know it at the time but i collected lots of cigarette butts from everywhere and that virus is can be trapped in the cigarette filters
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I always ask that question when I got to tell you how I got to New Orleans and everything. Because if I do that, you're not going to figure out why he was there or anything.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
can all kinds of viruses can be trapped in these asbestos type filters okay i mean we don't we didn't know what they were it says they isolate it later i didn't so you were taking cigarette butts and took him from all over it and so we um that it's beautiful in that way because we couldn't just say it all came from manatee county all my friends collected probably 50 pounds of
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yes. What I was giving them wouldn't have killed the virus. It would have killed almost any bacteria and all that. Anything left. And since they were germ-free, something got them. And then they found out that the mice had that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, they were tested, but the reason I don't bring this up is I don't have the documents for that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
But they understood after they did the testing. That's why I was sent for fast-track training and all that, especially to work with that virus.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
They did, yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
See, I had to crash this seminar. I couldn't get anybody to do the proper lecture microscope work. It had to be done to determine the virus, kind of whatever was in there.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No. Now, that's what my enemies have said. Oh, straight from high school.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Because they tried to claim that I didn't get the special training. Oh, okay.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Right, but more. Then I went from there. And you have something abstract. I wanted to tell you what's going on there because it's really important. I gave you a document there.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And the document says... It should show, sister.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Okay.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All right. You saw the document, so I'm just going to say it this way. Yeah. I am doing research, good cancer research under Eli Lilly. I sanded you an abstract showing you. But today, that same St. Francis University claims I never did any cancer research.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And I gave you.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Oh, yeah. That's just give you an idea of those kind of. Oops. Yeah. So when we're talking about scary, you can understand why they want to move what I was doing under the stadium away from.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's right. In seven days, it gets that size. That is a mouse.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All right. So, I mean, it's terrible, of course. Yeah. All right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, just go down the abstract.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Please. No, I can just do it a little faster. Okay. All right. Studies in the increase in vitro of mitotic activity in melanogenesis in the RPMI number 57113 strain Milano. Okay, it says Judith Ferry and Sister Clara Francis, because I was a minor and I had to have someone with me. Yeah. But this is from, obviously, from St. Francis College, you know?
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
But now, I gave you a document showing that they claim, according to them, that they never did any such research. I think I gave you a little piece of paper there to read. This?
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Oh, all right. Of course. Of course. All right. I was actually being shepherded by... People very high up that were associated with the CIA. And these were eminent doctors. They were very well known. Like today, if you talk about Fauci, say it was Fauci shepherding me. So they were very prestigious, the top of the top.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, because they claimed that no research was done, that there was never any Sister Mary Veronica who gave me a scholarship, and that they claimed I said I was 16. Other things are not true.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, that's an original.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, from an investigator who asked them. Go ahead and read it.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Sister Mary Veronica.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah. So they lied and said, I never did any research there. I've got some other papers I could show you, but you know, that's the one. I mean, it was, yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So Eli Lilly gave them a brand new parking lot for a million dollars right after that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah. So we... The background, I'm using this as an example of how everything I did has been scrubbed.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Almost all over. That's why I'm focusing on this, because some of them you looked at, I've said things I can't prove except that I have internal documents.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All right, so quickly I'll say, Mr. Rosoff, I finally got a chance to talk with Sister Jo Ellen. While we do have a record of a Judith Ann Vary having attended St. Francis, all right, All the other information in the letter is inaccurate. Sister Mary Veronica has not taught here or been an administrator, and I showed you the letter from her. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
We did not have sisters who were doctors or research technologists. You saw the one that's in the abstract there. Sister, what's her face?
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Right. And we did not do cancer research.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
okay all right sister ellen and her doctoral dissertation on the history of the school however knows nothing of the situation judith mentions that's why so i'm using as an example of what they've done all along the line to get rid of me then they say she's not in the record okay all right so that's the easiest one to to show you what's going on all right all right now all right so i've got all this special training sure
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
They put a lot of money in me. I have memorized the RPMI 1640 formula, which still hadn't gotten out to the public yet and still had some more tweaking to do. But it was the best formula in the world for growing cancer cells faster than anything.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And so they brought me to New Orleans. Now, wait a minute. And here I'm running around with strippers.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And they can't send some ugly, dirty old man or doc, you know, to intercept me. They're out of town. I came two weeks early. I was free. And I hadn't been. These people had trained me to the... Like I haven't even mentioned training at University of Florida where I also invented a new way to detect cancer in bloodstream and some other stuff.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah. So I was doing stuff that would turn out that detection of live cancer in the bloodstream. They needed me later when they were trying to kill so-called volunteers for cancer research that came from Angola prison.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I handed you a document showing from Dick Russell about Dr. Heath. I sent you a picture of Dr. Heath with monkeys and all that.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah. Well, he was working with Dr. Silva. Dr. Silva was at Jackson Hospital and, of course, claimed that.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's right. You see that stop? Well, Dr. Silva is not in that picture, but Dr. Heath is. Dr. Heath works with David Ferry. There's an awful lot of stuff that people don't know about David Ferry. You'll see him in the film JFK. And we became close friends. Why? I wanted to become a nun. The reason I went to St. Francis is I found out they would put me through medical school.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And I had not admitted it to myself because I was being specially trained, fast-tracked, because I'll tell you why later. But the bottom line is, is I came early to New Orleans because I couldn't go home, which I'm going to explain later. And I was free. They weren't ready for me. They were out of town.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
It'd be just super, you know, no problem. All right. Anyway, now, I was a...
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's something out of a horror movie. Believe me, we killed about 150,000. Could you imagine if aliens did that to us? I know. Just think about it. We've got to reform things. You have no idea how much I admire Robert F. Kennedy Jr. He knows all the stuff. All right, this is a letter. You can just look at it. This confirms that I was sent...
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I told her before, Lee, this is one of my schoolmate chums at University of Florida. We were taking medical courses together. She's now Dr. Kathy Santee.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And you can read there, it says, I told her I was going to go to New Orleans because Dr. Ochsner wanted me there and I'd be entering Ochsner Medical School, which is actually Tulane Medical School.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Skip two years. It'd be just the last two years of medical there. I'd skip college and everything. Now, of course I had the incentive and I'd be working with the wonderful Dr. Mary Sherman. So of course I went. Doctor, excuse me, I don't know whether I gave you, there's so much stuff and we don't have enough time.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Oh, actually, I tried to meet her at David Ferry's.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Oh my gosh, she's famous. It's like Fauci or something today.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No, positive.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I mean, everybody thought the world of her, but she knew Sarah Stewart. She knew these other wonderful... She was an expert on... What was she famous for? She was an orthopedic surgeon who was working with polio patients' kids. She was working with Dr. Ochsner when Ochsner lost his grandson.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And they decided to work together to try and conquer this horrible thing that happened with this contamination.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, this is Cutter. It's a version of Salk.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And don't believe it that every time that they talk about that they have made it so this... Polio virus is incapacitated. You know, it's still there, but so it will elicit an immune response. But don't believe the fact that they always kill all of it or they make it so it's not going to give polio. It happens all the time, every once in a while.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So you can eradicate polio and then keep giving them polio shots and polio will come back. Because you're going to find, let's say 99.99% of the time, what they give you is safe. And then this one didn't get inactivated. Let me explain about, for example, the virus. Now this has nothing to do with, they should allow me to say this, okay? Anywhere.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Instead of being met with a steak dinner, I've always mentioned that before in other interviews, and champagne and say, you're here. We love you. We'll show you around. And I go to YMCA where I expected a room to myself. And they said, who are you? My first thoughts, I don't have any money. I'm between semesters. My grant money, I don't have it.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Most viruses are RNA viruses. Ribose. They're not DNA. They don't live in the cell inside of your body. I mean, I'm talking about the nucleus. They're on the outside, and they can't affect your DNA. But the virus is different. It is a DNA virus. It can literally penetrate your cell. That is your nucleus. But it's itsy-bitsy, teeny-tiny. Now,
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
When they go and kill all these, they're used to RNA viruses. Oh, you put them in formaldehyde, you know, as you're making your material to make the shots you want to, you know. Just go ahead and put them in formaldehyde for seven days. They're dead. It takes 30 days in formaldehyde. They didn't know that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
The polio virus is clean and doesn't have the contaminations. They grew the virus on top of chopped up monkey kidneys.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
The monkey kidneys, they're stupid from the beginning because the monkey kidneys carry so many viruses. This thing was called the number 40. They had 39 other viruses. There was a bunch of them, right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
There are more.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
But this is the one that stood out. It was absolutely.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, that's the problem. What if you didn't weaken some of them enough?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Sure.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, the idea, if it's dead, maybe the body's immune system is not going to respond to it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And, yeah. But all of these have their faults and flaws. They simply, we have got to get a different mindset. We need to get away from thinking we can solve everything through the immune system and through shots. It's dangerous. We're going too far. I have a lot of people that agree with me that we need to rethink everything. How would we rethink it?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, you've been taught that everything can be solved with a shot.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I'm talking about big pharma.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Let me tell you what's really going on.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All right. Because it's a little bit worse than that. The theory is excellent. All right. It works to some extent.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, I would say that it's obsolete as far as to what's really going on. Just like we know we don't have really ether up there. We have black matter and so on. So we need to upgrade our thinking on this. What we have is the presence of a virus. Let's say it's polio, okay?
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
But the body, if we went to a respiratory virus, for example, and that goes into your system, you get an immune response to deal with it, right? So the idea of shots is that you're going to put this stuff in the body and it's going to have an immune response. And that this stuff is not as dangerous as a real thing would be.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's not always the case.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And, wow, my first thought, oh, no, I'm in this room with two strippers, a Playboy Bunny trainee, and this really profane, heavyset waitress who, she was going to steal my stuff. We had to pay her $0.25 a day so she wouldn't steal our stuff. All right, so I'm in that room, but the stripper said, honey, you haven't seen the world, have you? I said, no.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's right.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And not only that, but mutations occur. And in the respiratory virus world, that's exactly what they do forever. You can't even... One flu season, it's already going to change to something else.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, here's the thing. So you've got a percentage of immune response. It's not enough to sell the product. So they put something else on top of it to top it off to make an immune response and say it's for the whole thing. But it's not. It's not for just the virus. They add this stuff on top and that's artificially making a response that has nothing to do with the original response.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's why you have to get boosters.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And then it can sell boosters forever.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, I was very much pro all these shots and everything, okay, until I realized that we have never cured cancer. Then I realized that we're making a lot of money with shots. Sure. And a lot of money in what we call the cancer treatment industry and cancer treatment palaces. Yes.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
But those big palaces being built and with all their industry associated with treatment, where are all the palaces being built to cure it? There's no incentive whatsoever to cure and there won't be. We could have cured cancer. I know how to cure cancer. How? Bacteriophage.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
See, bacteriophage.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Bacteria, phage means to eat in Greek.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So you've got a virus that eats bacteria, but also these viruses are allowed, they actually can eat viruses.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No. Viruses. Bacteriophage is a virus that eats bacteria.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
But, yes, they use it in all the sewer systems. Think of all the diseases that go into our filthy sewage and everything.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Wikipedia? Don't you use Wikipedia?
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Wikipedia for spooks. Just put up bacteriophage and just go to images because then you can see it.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Okay.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
It's very simple. The reason that they don't use it is too easy. Too easy to cure cancer with it. They can't make any money.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Anyway, you can engineer them very easily, too easily. They can't patent them because you can easily engineer them 10 different ways to cure cancer.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Now, what's wonderful about bacteriophages is once they eat it all up, so they eat up all the cancer cells, leave a bag of pus behind, so to speak, if it's a tumor. All right. Well, aspirate that out with a needle. Big deal. They go to sleep. They don't wake up until they brush against a cancer again.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's right.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, we were doing that in 1961 in Roswell Park. We were working with Bacteria 5.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Mice, monkeys, we use marmosets actually there. That's in between. Okay. Yeah. Marmosets are easy and fast and cheap.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Gave them cancer.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, this is special, but it only took a few months to create it. So you can't patent this stuff because it's so easy to make.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, they survived. It went away. And then Marmer says they have a short life, but if the cancer restarted up again, the bacteria woke up. Bacteriophage.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He said, how would you like to come around with us? Now, I'm an asset. I've been heavily trained. And here I am now seeing the seediest parts of New Orleans. I mean, when I stepped off the bus, the first thing I heard was a gunshot. You have to understand what it was like.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And we can't get – I've been trying since 1999. We have one company that has – you know what they did? They have trained bacteriophage to go to cancer cells and guess what?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
piggyback in inject in chemo that they can go in and which is deadly and poisonous yeah so here they've trained there's this uh bacteriophage to actually go to the cells but not to kill the cells now it take thousands of them but they're little tiny they're like little mosquitoes They work. You see how simple they are. There are three major.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
The first things that we created artificially was a virus, the bacteriophage, and the polio virus. Now ask yourself, why would they create these artificially? These three, these are the first they ever created artificially. Wow. You see what I'm saying?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Okay, let's keep going.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So anyway, there's an awful lot of that. Now here, Lee Oswald is assigned. Oh my gosh, we've got so much to talk about.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All right. So they send him. He's cute. now i was thought i was in love with a guy okay and this guy let me show i'm gonna we're gonna have to really move into different areas and i had thought but let me see if i can find what i had excuse me um Yeah, I'm going to show you this.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
See? Not only can you get them there. I mean, they're not even talking about the fact, why don't you let them attack the cancer? They can, you see. Wow. And here they can train them to go there. We're not going to use them because El Cheapo can't patent it because it's easy to just do a minor little twist, you know. Yeah. So they won't go there. Wow.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
If you cure cancer, all those palaces are going to go down. If you cure cancer.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
You want to know why my voice is being silenced.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Billions of dollars are at risk. Billions. And I'm just one little voice. They've erased. I can't get my own birth certificate. Mine says female. Oh, I can't. I don't.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I have in my book, you can see my birth certificates I've tried. The most recent said that my father's last name is Ward, W-A-R-D. I could go on like that. Can't use it. People say how evil you are because you were married, new married, and here you start having an affair with Lee Oswald. Well, I was married one day when my husband abandoned me.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He said, I'm not going to tell you where I'm going because you wouldn't have married me if I told you I'm going to be on most of the summer. He said, bye-bye. I'm not going to tell you where I am. He took off. But that night, where I lived, was raided by the police.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, I was heavily trained in how to handle specific viruses that were being developed for biological weapon purposes.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
By the way, we've gone to the house where the raid occurred, went with researchers, always had to have witnesses, and told them what happened long, long ago. It turned out Lee Oswald had put me in a house of ill repute. Now, he'd been in New Orleans for 10 years. He thought it was a nice boarding house, but it had changed, okay? And actually went to the owner. By the way, very fancy place.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I have a picture of it. We don't have time for everything, but it's very fancy. It's in my book.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All right. Yes, but I'm going to show you something.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I want you to read this postcard.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Robert Baker, my husband. For a day. All right. Now, I've been married a month to him. Now, notice on this, it says it is from New Orleans. Please turn the picture over so you can see the other side. You can show that to everybody.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Right. Okay. Now, where am I living? I'm living in New Orleans.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He's dropping a postcard as he's coming through New Orleans. He doesn't have time to visit me. That's my new husband. Go ahead and read it.
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Yeah.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
This is my new husband.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah. How would you like to get a postcard from your new husband that you don't know where he is or what he's doing? He'll be through in a couple days of wham, bam, thank you, ma'am, okay?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Absolutely.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Now, anybody think that I get raided, I have nobody to help me.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, he's a scientist. His IQ was so high it was classified.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's right. And I have all the proof.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yes. But anyway, he ended up being one of the top scientists for, no, at that time he was still getting all his credentials.
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Oh, no, no. I knew it.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I couldn't find anybody compatible with. You have to understand.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, I was 19.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No, I didn't meet him in New Orleans. I met him at University of Florida because I was taking high math classes and all that's been wiped out. And I met him in one of the classes that summer. And I had plenty of boyfriends. I was very athletic as well and had earned four athletic medals at University of Florida and all that. And later he would tell one of my sons, I married her for her legs.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So anyway.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, they still are good. I could show you.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
It's amazing.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I'm just trying to say that I was very liberal-minded. I was a good girl. I didn't run around. But I had a lot of boyfriends. University of Florida has just gotten to where they were co-ed just 10 years earlier. And it's engineering and science. I'm sorry, but most of the girls there looked like they had horse faces. Really? Well, I don't know why. Yeah.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
but i didn't right you were hot you were one of the hot ones yeah and so i had all these boyfriends but i i didn't want to ruin my reputation i told each of those boys i've got a problem please you know look at these other guys please protect me from these other guys i told every one of them that so it but you know so i had a good reputation and i earned it but he was different he ended up seducing me because he could beat me in chess
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, here's a picture of... See this? My grandmother died in October of 1956.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, I'll put it this way. Just like me, he was being handled. And, you know, we didn't. Now, all they were interested in was for mathematics. He would end up being one of the top forever. Exxon made probably billions because of him. If I told you all the stuff he invented, you'd still see some of the stuff online.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Anyway, he took off, and if he's interested in something that's more important than I was, that's just the way it was.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So he abandoned me. I had nobody. I had this phone number. Lee Oswald met me at the post office when I was looking for letters from him. He's supposed to write every day. Is he going to come and marry me? Maybe. Like Lee said, love him to the death.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All right. I'm at the post office. By the way, I didn't have any money because I came two weeks early. My grant, I didn't have it, a stipend or anything. So I actually got a job. flipping burgers, so to speak, because this waitress, she was stopping the job out there and got it raised to where she could work in town. This is 45 minutes.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
She died of cancer. My grandfather was dying of cancer. And I was determined with all my heart to love my grandmother so much. In fact, her picture is on my credit card.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Now, who goes and gets on a bus, goes 45 minutes out to work just two hours, just enough to pay for my room, you know, and come back 45. Lee Oswald thought I was out there. Bobby Kennedy was at the Royal Castle where I was working. I had sent monitors there because Carlos Marcelo, the godfather, was right next door just a few blocks down. And this was open 24 hours.
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Lee thought because I was only going out there in the morning for two hours and back just crazy. You know, what, for $2? I mean, who does that? Thought I was a courier. All this started because when he was sent to meet me, they don't give you all the information. It's just need to know. All he knew about me is I was a cancer researcher that was supposed to work with Dr. Mary Sherman.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And David Ferry told me, told him to go and meet me. That's all he knew.
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Yes. But I didn't know that at the time. They want to stop this, me running around with these hookers and things, you know, that I was doing without realizing I'd never, I mean, I got to, I had my first drink, you know, and everything. All right. So, so anyway, I'm angry because there's no letter.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He's, the man said he's going to write me every day and he's going to tell her he's going to come marry me. Well, I don't need him. I mean, you know, if you don't want to marry, big deal.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Okay. It's sort of like that. Yeah. I got, I got pawed over like crazy. Yeah. And so I sure did want that kind of life. Excuse me. I can't see very well. Okay.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Thank you. Okay. So here I am and I turn around this nice looking guy behind me. Dressed, you know, real decent, kind of cute. I had been carrying around a rolled-up newspaper that had code on it because Robert Baker didn't want his family to know that he was dating me because they were anti-Catholic and they thought I was Catholic. Now, I had given up on Catholicism.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah. And her memory and the magnificent woman she was, and she was wiped out by cancer and suffered.
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I had become an atheist because when I was at St. Francis University, my father came up there and kidnapped me to get me out of the convent. Mm-hmm. And so it was horrible, and since God didn't want me, I believed there was no God, you know. It was a big deal. I offered my life to God, and what happened? I didn't realize how God was going to use me.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So anyway, I'm angry, and there's no letter from this man who says, Mom, I might come marry you. We want birth control pills. I thought I was in love. I was in love with sex. I was introduced to sex by this complete...
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mechanically accurate man all right mechanically accurate yeah in other words he knew how to please but it doesn't mean he loved there's a difference oh okay yeah yeah yeah and i didn't know the difference of course because that was the only person i ever knew and i say he seduced me he ran away actually left it if you won't you know be a grown-up in this modern age forget you you know
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Al, and a month later, he came back and all my friends, I ran into his arms. I said, you win, you know. So that's the way it was. So we're going to get married. Well, we did. He said, we've got to hurry and get married. I thought it was because he loved me. He actually did. He never said, I love you, by the way. So we go to Mobile, Alabama.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Then I found out he did that in a hurry because he's got to get on a quarter boat and do scientific research for this group. Okay. So he's gone. And here comes the police raid. I was thrown out in the middle of the street. All right, only number I had was his phone number that Kimberly Oswald. Now back to the post office. He was sent there. I finally figured it out.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, that's no other family members as well.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
It took me years to realize it was on purpose. But anyway, I have this newspaper with a code on it so that Robert knew I arrived in New Orleans without making a phone call that his parents would intercept and say, are you still doing stuff with that Catholic girl, you know? Mm-hmm. And I dropped the newspaper. He picks it up. It's got code on it. I mean, it looks weird.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And I thought, I'm going to flirt with this guy. I know Russian. Who knows Russian? I'll say something. He'll say, what did you say? So I'm going to do that. So I go, he picks it up and hands it to me. I go, like that. I thought he'd say, he answered me in Russian. He said, it's not wise to speak Russian in New Orleans.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
It just was endemic. So that was my I was determined. And of course, what can a 15 year old do? I found cancerous fish and they were they were special breed mollies, black mollies. Maybe you didn't know this about them, but they don't get inseminated by the male. The male just excites them, and they only produce from their own eggs without any kind of insemination. Now, they've got a male organ.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
This is 1963. This is 63? April 26th, 1963. That's when I met him. Oh my God.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He's only been back less than a year. But wait a minute. I knew these spies. I told you about one, Tony Lopez Fresqueta. I've dated. His father was the finance minister of Cuba for Fidel Castro.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And he was secretly CIA. I learned so much stuff from Tony. You wouldn't believe. Then I knew all this stuff from Knute Mickelson, who was a CIA guy who taught me all kinds of tradecraft. He thought it was funny. I learned how to do... In invisible ink, all kinds of Lee Oswald thought I was treated by the CIA, but it was by people who liked me. I mean, you know, we were involved and I didn't know.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Wow. So, so when you met him, he thought I was CIA, just like him. He had only given the information to intercept me and make sure I got to meet David Ferry because Mary Sherman would be there and we were supposed to meet.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I dropped the newspaper.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, it's like this. No, I said it to him. He said, it's not wise to speak Russian in New Orleans. He said, can you wait a minute? And then he asked for stuff for him. He had to pretend to... And so I heard his name. Is there anything here for Mr. Lee H. Oswald? That's the way he said it. So I knew his name right away. And boy, that set off a bell in my head because he was big news in the news.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And I remember stuff I read. He was big news in the newspapers, you know. Way back. And his picture there.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, he was a so-called defector.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He was front page. Everything had to do with it.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Oh, my gosh, yes. And here he's walking around a free man. No way. I knew too much. And so, you know what I said in the right way? When he said he confirmed that he had been in the USSR for 30 months and he'd come back with a wife and child. I said, you are a hero. You are a shining hero.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
he he was shocked i knew enough to know who what kind of man he really was uh he wasn't ready for that you know all he knew is i have some kind of asset he's got to make sure and protect till they get back that's all i knew when i say he was a hero it just he dropped his guard he wasn't ready for that he's so he used to you know
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And he had gone through, just like Knut Mikkelsen, his family does not have anything to do with him or anything. They think he's horrible. When he's not, he's one of ours. And to have someone he could talk to, this is how it started. We hit it off right away. Because he thought I was in as deep as he was. It's only because I knew all these words and terms I knew, the acronyms and everything.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
It's because of the people I associated for... By that time, for two years with Anacastor Patriots, I knew so many things. So by the time he and David Ferry realized, David Ferry had asked for somebody, an assistant, to help. Because it turned out he had to make lots of plane flights to Miami, try and get his pilot's license back. Long story.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
But so they asked for an assistant, and both of them thought they sent a female instead of a male because he was homosexual, and they thought they didn't want anybody to seduce. Actually, I have the witness who was supposed to be there, Michael Ricocinanto. Okay, very difficult name. Anyway, he's the one that did the Promise Program. He was very young like myself. In fact, he was like 50.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And so they were expecting someone young, and they thought, well, they sent a girl because they don't want to have a guy because –
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
ferry has been accused of seducing young kids you know and that wasn't true they were they were teenagers but you know young boys so they thought they sent me instead and that was not true it was michael was supposed to go and we have his statement and everything okay but i'm there i got because michael stayed with guy bannister for a while bugging his stuff so he didn't get there in time so then i was in there so michael went did something else
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All right, so now I'm with Lee, and Lee says, look, we've got to get you out of the YWCA. You don't want to be with the strippers. That's when he put me in this place. He called ahead of time, and he thought, boy, he shouldn't have done it. He said, I've got a very pretty girl here, and she's a very nice girl. Where's the best place I can put her?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And when they named the place, he knew it was a good place, but no head change. The guy on the other end thought he meant he was trying to put somebody in who was a high-class prostitute. Poor Lee. He didn't mean that at all. It's just the way he worded it came out that way. Now I hate him. I'm out in the sidewalk being kicked out. You know, I hate him. I hate Robert Baker. I hate Dalton Ochner.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All the men in my life have ruined my father, got me out of the convent. You know, I am. Totally anti-human being male. And Lee has to deal with me. He feels very bad about what happened. Tries to make up for it. And finally moves me into this lady's house. And I have the front room, front apartment. And she is adorable.
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They have a male organ that penetrates, but there's nothing there.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
She knew Lee from the time he was a little kid and went to Sunday school classes. And she taught arts and crafts and all this kind of thing. And he gave her a puppy. Anyway, to make a long story short, her name was Susie Hanover. She had a little girl that stayed that summer with her, her great-granddaughter, Claudia, who saw Lee there with me at that apartment so often a couple years ago.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
She's on film and tape and everything. She saw Lee with me at my apartment so much, she thought he lived there. She's only one of many witnesses I have. All of that is ignored completely.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's right.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So it's sort of like cheetahs. A lot of people realize the genetic variation of cheetahs is very tiny. They make great lab animals, except they're very expensive. Well, mollies aren't. And so I had determined, I'm sure they had cancer, but I had to find out. And we took the mollies. By that time, I had made friends with...
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, tell me how many people carrying cameras around. Right. But also, Lee Oswald is pretending to be pro-Castro. He is protecting this group that's trying to create a biological weapon to kill Castro.
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And they've done it over 600 attempts.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All right, I'm going to explain that to you. Okay? Okay. Because you don't want to have too many people involved. You know, we have a ring of labs. None of the people in the ring know about anybody else. Only part of the project they're working on.
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at that point. Yeah. Well, believe me, I have documents. I've shown you one about Dick Russell showing that.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That is a worker at Riley, and her correspondent, she's a witness that, yes, I did work at Riley.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Coffee company, not shop. You see, somebody said coffee shop, and I said, aha, you're looking at something that's 25 years old from the past, and they're trying to say Lee and I just worked at a coffee shop.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No, of course not.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I was a vice president secretary, me at 19 years old, who could only type 19 words a minute and went up to 21 at the time.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I mean, it's ridiculous.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That has nothing to do with it. These were cover jobs that were hardly there.
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Coffee company.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, we had to have some proof of how we were surviving there for what we were doing. So you have to have what they call cover jobs. And I gave you a particular – I saved all of them.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And I've got all of them.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, I've got a whole bunch. I can't bring everything with me because something could happen to them. You know, I just show you an example.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, well, I've got all of them. Now, I saved all of them because we thought we were saving America from Castro's Third World War. Okay, we want to get rid of Castro, but we don't want the United States blamed. How did he do it? He gets cancer. He gets lung cancer. Who knows more about giving lung cancer? All right, because we killed at least 150 monkeys. That summer.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Now understand that Lee and I have 11 of those together. We were hired the same.
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Yes.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, these are all mine.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
But he has them too.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
They confiscated his, but they match mine.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Wait, but there's more. A lot of people don't know because there are only two documents in the Warren Commission thing. Actually, we spent one week at what's called Standard Coffee before going there. That was also owned by Riley, but only eight people were working there, and they're trying to say we didn't meet each other, but that's so ridiculous. Again, get this.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Standard Coffee were there one week, and they laundered our records there. OK, and then that same day we got all the records showing we were transferred together the same day to Riley. And we were we started work the same day in two different departments of the same company, of course. But I had to cover for him. And that means when in the morning he would check in and I've got the records.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
a lady running the American Cancer Society for the whole area where I was living there, Braden and Sarasota. And we met Dr. Alton Ochsner, who was, he was there for the opening of the Watson Clinic over in Lakeland, I believe it was. And so he saw my mollies and he said, you've got to go to mice. So then I was rounding up mice. And then finally Rockefeller Foundation.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
By the way, I had to force the FBI using a contact they had. Because the FBI had the record showing that I was the one, seven times out of 11, I had to go and okay Lee's cards. That's why they had me as vice president secretary, because he was in charge of finances and security. If they ever had trouble with anybody's time card. So you're supposed to write May 40th, personnel was.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And they said, yeah, he's been there 40 hours, you know, and there's his time card. They couldn't do it for him because they didn't know where he was. Right. So seven times out of 11 weeks, the cards came to me and I marked them. I gave you one to show you. Has the J on it? I showed you one. You have one.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, that's that blue sheet. Where's the blue sheet?
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, it originally was blue.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
You've got it.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No, no, no. That's passport. I wouldn't talk about that because it's hilarious.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, it's not going to be there. I brought it with me. Oh, here it is.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Here it is. This is authentic. Here. You can see my J. That's on his second to last... You see, that's signed by the National Archives. They did a special signature for me because they cheated online and said that I didn't sign certain numbers. You'll see they're initialed even.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yep. You see where it says J, and it's supposed to say made 40, but the 40 has been kind of erased. You see that?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I'm verifying he was there for 40 hours when he wasn't. Okay. Now, somebody had to verify for me because the vice president himself had to verify for me. He's a former FBI agent, and he did that. Wow. So now here's the thing. What's interesting about this, you've got clock ins. I just want to show you one more thing. I want you to look at the five. Look when he clocked in. He was being good there.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
On the left, you see when he clocked in.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, often it was later than that.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No, wait a minute. Now look at the clock out. Yeah, no, it's right next door. See where it says 5 o'clock?
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Now see, notice how even it is when you say 5 o'clock, 5 o'clock, 5 o'clock. You see that?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No, that 501 is when they're clocking out. It doesn't show the lunch in there.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So I've got a whole bunch of them, so 5-5-5-5-30 or 5-3, all of them. On the other side, it's like one time 7-32 p.m. is when we had to clock him out because this is a long story. So I'm saying this was a separate job.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Oh, he was doing all kinds of anti-Castro stuff, pretending to be pro-Castro, infiltrating. And he found out that the anti-Castro people were working with CIA and the FBI to kill Kennedy.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's right. We're working with who to kill Kennedy with a mafia, FBI and CIA to kill Kennedy. And they had money coming in from military industrial complex and big oil. So it was a cartel, you might say, or cabal. It was a group of them. And the reason it worked is because they could point the finger at anybody, and they said, point right back at you.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
They made sure they involved so many agencies in so many ways that nobody could accuse anybody but Lee Oswald, who knew about them. So he's the first murderer ever on television. Right.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
At the Watson Clinic dedication.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
On live television because it's so desperate because once it got transferred out of public sight, he'd be able to contact the CIA and get out of it. They would do something.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I thought I'd love to tell everybody about Lee's passport application here because I'll show you some of the inside stuff that people never noticed all these years until I pointed them out. Now everybody, I say everybody, researchers know, but how they could have these things for 35 years, 45 years, and 50 years even. And after 50 years, I had to point this out to them because they never saw it.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I believe it was in Lakeland, Florida.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yep. Oh, they knew about the document. They didn't look at it very closely.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Oh, that's when he was born.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Wait a minute. I'm going to tell you about this. All right.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
See where it says 5-11? Yep. All the documents having to do with the U.S. government, they filled out. Even Marines say 5-11, but it was only 5-9. Really? Yeah. Short King.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No, they did that. David Ferry is the same way. He was 5'10", and it says that he's 5'11 on his. We have other documents showing that they always had the wrong, they're always taller on their official documents when they're CIS. At least all the files that were from 63. Yeah. Now, notice, please, I couldn't prove.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
At the time, yeah.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So I had my own lab by then. Wow. I'll tell you why.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, when was it actually, when did he make the application?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, let me tell you, it is on the document, but without wasting time, he submitted it.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No. Get this. This is June 25 when he got it.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He submitted this application on June 24th.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah. Yes, it's got to be. Let me see. Look on the other sheet. Look on the sheet, the black and white one here.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's the back of it.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah. I'll point it out if...
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I'll have to show you. Excuse me. Here it is down here. June 23rd. Look, down here is when it was applied, the application. See? June 23rd.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
In 1991, the film JFK came out. And, of course, I was deeply associated with Lee Oswald. And I had to walk out my teenage, all my, I had at that time four kids still living in the house. Well, one of them had come in with the film JFK. And he came in. The film JFK came out from Oliver Stone.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, that's why I have to start at the beginning.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
One day, 24 hours. They flew the man in. Now, notice there are two different, I couldn't prove this until we got it out in color. Finally came out in color like 2018 or something.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Wait a minute, but notice, the color of the guy who signed the passport says Arthur Young, hard to read the Young, you see the Young? But his actual name was Charles Thomas. That is kind of a joke. Arthur Young here is actually associated with Bell Helicopter and all that. That is kind of a joke. Now, there's more. Notice the colors. Magenta ink. See it?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All right? I really do.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Now, Lee said to me, CIA tells me what my occupation is going to be. Now, notice the occupation, what ink color it's written in.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All right. It's the same magenta red as the signature of the guy, the customs officer. Got it?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No. There's more before this. Oh, gosh, yes.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Who filled it out, the occupation? Was it Lee?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No, it was actually, this guy is a CIA officer. Okay. Associated with customs. Filled in photographer.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So Lee became a photographer according to CIA, okay? That's his official... All right. Now, he got this in one day, right? He had to turn in a passport that was covered with Soviet stamps. Bang, bang, bang, bang from the Soviet Union.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Not at all. Good observation. All right, but there's more. I want you to look on that black and white one to see where he intended to go. This is a guy... A returned defector supposedly hated the United States.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's why I'd like to get into it.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All right. Look where he intends to go. You see the list? I'll point it out to you if you can't see.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I'll read it for you. Okay. All right. Not because I have good eyes, but because I have good memory. Right. All right. So we're talking about, it says at the top here. Wow. This is really hard to read. You're right. I'll start at the bottom here. You've got, All right. You've got England, France, Germany, Holland, USSR, Poland. Wait a minute. Poland belongs to USSR.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All right. But understand that they had, again, I hear I was loose about meeting Lee Oswald. That's not good because I was in the back. They were police raiding. I mean, I barely escaped a police raid at one of the clubs in the back room there. And they're putting on pasties and stuff.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And USSR. This guy wants to go back to USSR after turning in a passport full of stuff about the USSR. He gets his passport in one day. In the middle of the Cold War.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Does that sound normal? No. No.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Not at all. Why did people—well, that was noticed, but what they didn't notice, it says here, and it's hard to read on this, but Marina Prisakova is his wife. It says, when did you marry—we have better—sorry, this copy's not so good, but we have better copies. It says, when did you marry her? He filled it out April 31, 1961. There is no April 31st. He put that on this passport application.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
It's a lie. It only goes to April 30.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No, he did it on purpose. I'll tell you why he did it. Now, this may sound funny, but he said, I could have put my name Santa Claus there and they still would have passed it. It didn't matter what he put. Now, I'm going to go further because they've taken this off the Internet, but I do have the documents. But when he left USSR, he had to get extra money because he didn't have enough money.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
i'm telling her that you know that he didn't like it there and he needed no all right no we're talking about he is married to marina he is living in the ussr with her and he's trying to get a loan from the u.s department state department i thought he well i didn't think he was with her when he was there i thought she was still back in new orleans no no he married her she's russian she's a russian he was forced to marry someone over there so he wouldn't get deported oh so it's not a marriage made in heaven
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All right. But he loved her good enough after, you know, he chose her as far as that goes. But it was.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
His mother, Marguerite. That's not Marina. Don't get them mixed up. It's easy to do. So, I mean, there are so many things I can tell you, but here's the bottom line. And it's important. He wants his baby to the United States, our little June. He's not going to lose his baby no matter what. That's a big embarrassment. And what happened, he told me the Eisenhower administration had him.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And when they transferred over to Kennedy, CIA hated Kennedy, and they didn't give him a lot of information. He lost a lot of his contacts because CIA did not follow up. And then he wanted to go back to the United States. He's worthless. He can't contact anybody.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So he asked to go back. So he takes risks his life without papers, went all the way to the U.S. Embassy. If they had checked him on the train all the way there, they could have executed him. That's how much he wanted to get back to the United States. And he wants his child. And he's not going to give up. Bobby Kennedy helped get him out. There's a lot of stuff you guys don't know.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah. And I mustn't be rounded up with this kind of people, you know. But I was free. I mean, I didn't even know what it was like to be free because I'm age 15 on. You have to remember when Sputnik, do you have when Sputnik came up? Look at when Sputnik came up.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I've got the documents of so much of this stuff because I was able to pick up this stuff before because of certain names. They've lost track of important names and released stuff they shouldn't have, and then we can make the links, okay? And I knew the names, and these guys have forgotten. Like I say when I've mentioned a lot, okay, is Raul Aparicio. They released...
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Hundreds of pages on him because they didn't realize how important he was. They forgot all about him. All right. It turns out to be very important to prove that Lee Oswald actually went to Mexico City. All right. We're talking about Lee Oswald trying to get out of the Soviet Union. He's got to have enough money to get his wife out and his child.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So you ask for a State Department loan, and small print says you have to be a bona fide good citizen of the United States to get this loan. So we had a six-page document, one, two, three, four, five, six pages, okay? And they were on the Internet, but since I mentioned it, they have scrubbed it, okay? But I've got the copies.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
They're too precious for me to brought with me because I don't know, you know. But they were in the National Archives. A lot of this stuff has been filched. So here we have six pages. It says, Oswald, you make this application just like this passport application to fill out. And it all goes well. You know what he was on page five. What did you do for your employer in the Soviet Union?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
The entire page is blank. They still get some money.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
It's completely blank. Now, was he really pro-Soviet? When we're in New Orleans, he's pretending to be pro-Castro. We're not going to have a picture of a guy pretending to be pro-Castro with me who wants to go and kill Castro. Are you kidding?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
It's the last thing you're going to do. Right. All right. But on the other hand, he's pretending to be pro-Castro, and that's how so easy to frame him.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, he knew too much. He knew inner workings. You understand that everybody I worked with was murdered. Murdered! Except Ochsner, of course. All right. I sent you a picture. You've got it. Of Dr. Mary Sherman.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
you uh there's that was you notice that was lee uh uh all right these are you just saw a witness these are witnesses i have they're in tape and film she said i saw uh she saw we i double dated with her and all that find the photo of mary sherman steve it's it's it's the it's the black it's a carcass okay the black the carcass with the arm missing oh you got her dead body on there yeah i
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No, I have it. Oh, is that it? No. Unfortunately, that shows a guy who had cancer, and then they gave him the guess what kind of shot, and that's what happened.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Go ahead, look.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Okay. Now, that is when Dallas asked, was Oswald Mexico City? We have something going on. Lee Oswald and I are trying to get out of this whole system. And Lee Oswald and I, we're going to get fake, brand new passports, brand new IDs, and we're going to live in Mexico. Now, that part in Mexico, they knew about it. Mexico City knew that. So when Dallas is asking for pictures, was Oswald in Mexico?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
They send this. Of course, it's not him at all. Well, that's why they did that, because they don't want anybody to know that Lee Oswald actually was going to Mexico City. Now, why did they send him there? All right. He's in Mexico City. He's down there to drop off the bioweapon to a contact.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, actually, he never wanted to go to Cuba.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yes. In 1956, there was a Hungarian Revolution. My grandmother died already by then. In 57, Sputnik came out, and the United States government went bananas.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's the story because that's how they framed him. All right. He only wants to try to look like he's getting into Cuba. So CIA will be satisfied that when nobody showed up to pick up this. Now, why was he the courier? We developed such a relationship. But if he gets down there and then he changes his identity and that he was working with people that were under Winscott. Yes.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Winscott did not know a thing about what.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, he was at Mexico City Station down there. He was a big shot.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All right. Now, unfortunately, he was working with James Jesus Angleton.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Lee Oswald was handled by Angleton. And Angleton actually told Lee this when he came back from the Soviet Union. He said, I don't trust you because you did not come back in a coffin.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And Lee said, you know how expendable I am? Somebody's telling me that. I've got to prove myself. So one of the things that happened when nobody showed up to pick up this, they actually, we now know, they lured him there so they could say, look, he's there to consort with the Russians, consort with the Cubans.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He's actually trying to get a visa so he can get a transit visa just to the airport in Cuba where he has a backup contact that could pick it up.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And he's got to say that he's on his way to Soviet Union. You can't say he's on his way back to Mexico because that's where we want to hide. So he has to say somewhere else. So he says Soviet Union. He pretends he knew already his visa had been canceled by the Soviets weeks ago. OK, but he's telling them down there at the Cuban at the Mexico City desk at Mexico City, Russian embassy.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Telling them, hey, look, I don't whether my visa came to get me a Russian visa. You can do that. They said, well, it's going to take 10 days. You know what he said? I don't have 10 days. This is a special case. I only have three days. Now, why did he say that? That's on record because the bioweapon would be dead after three days. Okay. They said, are you out of your mind?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
You've got 10 more days on your visa. We probably could get you a visa by then.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
In fact, it came through on his birthday, October 18th. Okay. He was already back. They ordered him back to Dallas by then.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So you've got it on record. He's saying, I've only got three days. It's because he was carrying the bioweapon and trying to pass it off.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Because they realized how far behind. They rounded up all the high IQ kids, and I was one of them. You had to have an IQ of 150 or more. I had 160. At age 15 is when – anyway, what they did is anybody with really high IQs, then they went and investigated them. But they didn't have to do that with my family, so that's why I wanted to bring up my father. Can you see it? Yeah, we can see it.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's right. So he's got to try and get it to Cuba. He's got to make the effort to make it look like he wants to go to Cuba. Remember, he really doesn't. By now, he's figured out, wait a minute, I'll bet they never wanted the Cubans to get this thing, and they just got me down here.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, I have one more quote to make. Just one more. He goes again to the embassy when that doesn't go through. He tries to reach Raul Aparicio. He runs into Teresa Proenza. Proenza is saying, I'm sorry he's not there. He had to go to the hospital. And by the way, Aparicio's office is bugged for that same day Leo's all showing up. Cuban embassy is not the same as a Cuban consulate.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Cuban consulate is where he's trying to get the visa, transit visa, just to go through Cuba to drop this thing off with a contact. And on his way to Russia, he has to show somewhere to go. And he sure doesn't want to say he's going back to Mexico because that's where we're going to hide. So he uses that because that's logical. All right.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And Marina has already been approved to go to Russia, so he's got a point. I want to go and, you know, join my wife there.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
But that's not true. What's really going on, you know?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Now, he had gotten Marina pregnant again to get an anchor baby so that he could divorce her, and the baby would not be deported. Because if Marina had—if they had divorced without that baby being born, the one in the United States— They would have deported Marina and the baby.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Out of the U.S., of course, because the— So they wanted to have the baby here. Yeah, so you have to have an anchor baby because they're going to get a divorce. Otherwise, they're going to send her back because it's Cold War. It's like Chinese today or something. You know what I'm saying?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
It's just too bad. So let's go back to when you— Well, I just want to say this one thing.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He tries again, the Soviet embassies. He puts a gun down on the table. He said, look what I have to carry. And they take the bullets out right away thinking he's nuts, you know. You've got to get me this visa right away. I know you can do it. Later he will try. And they're saying, what's the matter with this guy? He said, FBI is after me. Why would he?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Because we were going to hide in Mexico and we would be working as pretending to be pro-Castro. And our reason for hiding would be that the FBI was after us. Therefore, we would be legitimate as, you know, working for the Castro and working for communists, okay, when we're really going to be informants for the CIA. That's what really was going on. They don't want any of this stuff to come out.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
In fact, the day that Lee crosses the border on his way to Mexico City, there was a plane that was supposed to pick me up. Alexander Rourke and Jeffrey Sullivan were pilots. They were shot down the same day. Lee's crossing the border. They were going to pick me up, and they shot him down. It's on record.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Over Cuban waters.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, here's the thing. If you look at the map, you'll see from Belize straight over to Eglin Air Force Base where I was there. And I've got all kinds.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I had my bags packed and I was on my way to Eglin Air Force Base. okay where jeffrey sullivan and alexander rourke were going to pick me up by the way of all kinds of yeah okay and fly me to mexico got it to cancun cancun was all by itself i sent you something about uh dr willis andrews the fourth he had done an excavation in cancun by the way uh less than two years ago 15 researchers and i went
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
to Tulane, and we got evidence, yes indeed, they excavated in July of 1963 there. In August of 63, they had an exhibit at Tulane University showing they left food, water, everything there, and they were intending to go back, they never did. Lee and I were going to go there, and of course they got us to say Cancun wasn't, there was nothing there at the time.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No, we had proven that everything was there. And we have the documents and everything. We got the last written document from Tulane University. It's in my book. It's just so important. Because they were trying to say, look, nothing was there but a sandbar. And, you know, you're lying. And, you know, you couldn't go to Cancun.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All right.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
You got that mixed up because he said you're going to go to a fine hotel. The fine hotel is a two-day walk away at Chichen Itza where I wanted to – climbed Chichen Itza and all that, where the Maya Land Hotel was built in 1939, where CIA often went for R&R. All right, and that's only a two-day walk away from where we were going to land at Cancun.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
They're trying to say the fine hotel I'm saying was that we were, as if Cancun were a built-up city, and obviously it's contra temps. No, they're lying. And, of course, we have the documents showing now that they actually had coconuts there. They had weeks of supplies. They had a landing strip for CIA to use there. Yeah.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Okay.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Okay.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He's holding a new microphone. He invented all kinds of things.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
It took a while to get to trust him.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And we have new witness showing that David Ferry did meet, his name is Rhett Acardo, his father's orthopedic surgeon, worked with Dr. Sherman, introduced David Ferry, okay, introduced David Ferry to Mary Sherman. So we have all these connections, or I wouldn't talk about them.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He invented items, if I told you, but he worked with Robert Adler in Chicago. And often took me, I got to see Adler's labs. Adler is the co-founder or co-creator, so-called of the- Tilt it this way a little bit.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, what happened is that accidentally I was put on the covert side. I was never supposed to be on the winning side because I came early, and Lee and all of them thought I was because of all the knowledge I had and speak Russian. And as I mentioned, I was going to work with Mary Sherman, and they had asked for an assistant.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And this need-to-know thing could really backfire because they didn't give enough information. So I ended up being on the side that was winning. Well, I really messed things up, and when they were going to go and inject – Volunteer prisoners that if this worked, it would kill them. When I objected, they kicked me out and sent me back.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
But they had a problem because if I'm just sent back and I'm not doing any more cancer research, people say, what happened in New Orleans? So they put me in a very fancy.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
High-class peninsular chem research, and I was doing – I've got all the documents showing I did high-class research there because they've got to some way divorce me from cancer research but not make it – you know, say put me in with NASA contracts and all that kind of thing.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
At first, it would have nothing to do with me because we met where in public and she doesn't want to acknowledge. I mean, I didn't realize how secret all that was at that point. But about some days later. I'm taken and introduced to her by David Ferry, and she apologized for not speaking to me at the party where she had to pick up tumors, actually, from David Ferry and show up at this party.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And I'm there, and she wouldn't speak to me, and I was hurt. I couldn't understand what was going on. Everything's explained in my book, so you can see what really was going on. Anyway, so Mary apologizes. Then she said, look, by the way, this is the day that they conquered Mount Everest. So I've got the dates because I remember all these dates, you know.
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So it was the anniversary of the conquering of Mount Everest. That's what they're talking about when Mary introduced me. David Ferry is sitting there, wow, David is here. And, you know, she apologized for not talking to me at that time and said, Look, we've got big fish to fry here. We've got a big problem.
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You thought we were just trying to take out Castro, that this is very important to take him out because save the world from World War III. Boy, I was all for that. He was aiming missiles at my family in Florida. What the heck, you know? And everybody. And I saw it like somebody today would say, hey, if you could take out Putin, it would look like just cancer.
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And nobody would guess it was bioweapon. Would you do it? And save us from all this Ukraine stuff and all the dangers. So I was given a song and dance. And all of us were really excited. Oxnard knew what he was doing. That man, if you knew that, he had advisors he was working with. They even stopped the Vietnam War from... Anna Chenault was good friends.
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Perfect. Oh, see, thank you for the monitor. I appreciate that. All right, so that's my father. Now, you can't tell from just this early photo, But he helped in World War II to find Nazi stations that were distributed across America because he was able to figure out their frequencies, the radio frequencies and so on.
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Her husband died in Oxnard's clinic, I mean, or he went there diagnosed with cancer and everything.
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that she went to oxner before they they went to the summit she's the one to call off the summit and chanel did that would have stopped the vietnam war these people didn't they wanted the vietnam war to happen oh yeah kennedy would not give it to him oh yeah so they also the joint chiefs of staff also had a plan to be deep in all these people to nuke china and russia before russia was able to get their hands on icbms which would have been in january of 1964.
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See, you know these things. So you understand that we felt an urgency. You take out Castro and CIA is going to focus on taking Cuba because then they can do a revolution, you know, with Castro gone. Get Cuba back. And that means maybe they won't take out Kennedy. Now, we weren't sure, but we thought that they would leave Kennedy alone because they'd have their little victory over Kennedy.
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You know, we got Cuba back anyway, that kind of thing. And that they would get more power over Kennedy. But you know what? They'd already made up their mind. They didn't care what happened to Castro. So Lee has been actually trained to keep this stuff alive. We showed him how to do that.
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That's right.
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No, because that would have been what it was. We had a special, it looks like just a regular lunch, a thermos. Only a thermos has air vents and everything. If you took, we had, I had a different kind of indicator. Indicator tells you how much acid or base is. As it gets more acid, you have to change the medium inside and put new. He had one change. He could make one change. So he had...
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Basically, two thermoses. You can't carry three or four. You know, you can't. But if you looked at it, literally, you could put it in your mouth and gargle with it. It tastes almost like chicken soup. I'm saying that because the cancer cells are sticking. This is a giant test tube, really. It's all glass and sideliner. That's where the cancer was. The fluid in between keeps them alive.
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The only thing that would be there would be, like, maybe some dead cancer cells or something. Nothing alive. So, I mean, you could literally, if you wanted to taste it, it tastes like weak chicken soup. Who'd want it? Like, well, like, no, it'd be like bone, bone broth. Yeah. Be like bone broth. You'd never guess.
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Yeah. And how to change the fluid one time.
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That's right. Cause you only have three days, three days. Yeah.
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Just got to get any of that.
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That's right.
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The entire detail of how we did it is all in the book. And I've got, you can see all kinds of documents and everything.
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All right. Well, no, originally he didn't want to go. He didn't want to go to Cuba.
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He was supposed to just go to a souvenir shop and sit it down and wait, make sure nobody came.
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In Mexico City.
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Yeah. The guy never showed up. This is terrible. It happens sometimes. He could have been.
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No, not really. Now, we can kind of prove that because he goes to get a visa, emergency transit visa. Transit is a key. That means he never does want to stay there. All right. All these things about I wanted to go to Cuba. He wouldn't get a transit visa. He'd just get a visa. Transit visa means he just wants to go through. He just wants to drop this stuff off.
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So he got clearance from the United States government at an early age. Our whole family, I remember them investigating us, you know, and even I, a small girl, was being questioned, you know, and everything. So we had a head start that way. It wasn't just an ordinary man either. I say working for Adler.
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I mean, I've got so many explanations for what they think are crazy on his side. All right. But he wants to act kind of weird because he really doesn't want to go. He knows darn well that if this guy didn't show up, his handler was supposed to tell him, you know, hey, everything's okay instead. His handler took off, it turned out, six days earlier.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Lee was able to trace, that's how he actually traced the actual name of his handler, because he was told he was... Benson and Benton, and then when he met with Antonio Vestiana of Operation 66. Yeah.
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Lee was there, and Vestiana sees him, and he says to – David Atlee Phillips is standing there, but David Atlee Phillips had already told –
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uh lee that his name was uh benson or benton okay okay so vincian viciana came early and he says hola you know senior bishop now we've got benson you've got benton you've got bishop lee really we call him mr b because obviously lee was so far down the list that he didn't even care about sorting out the right name to give him
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All that's important because when that plane, they found out, took off with this handler in it, whether you want to call him Mr. B. Okay. Six days earlier, he checked all the plane schedules and realized, because he used to live in Fort Worth, that there were a couple of planes and the one of importance is this guy kept going to Fort Worth. So he figured out it was David Adler Phillips.
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That was his real name.
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Yes. Well, this was in Mexico City. Now, here's the thing. He's got to make it look to the CIA that he really cares. So he's got to at least make the effort. But he doesn't want to really be sent there and stay or any of that because we've got plans that Mexico City knows about. But Dallas doesn't. because they don't communicate that well with each other. No, you'll have all kinds of things going.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Winscott had so much stuff about Lee Oswald. You have James Jesus Angleton, and when he dies, he goes and steals everything out of Winscott's safe. Oh, yes, he does, because he's got stuff there. Winscott knew that Lee started an affair with Sylvia Duran, not because he didn't love me or anything, but because he has to make himself look useful, because Lechuga...
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was having an affair with Sylvia Duran and wanted to marry her, and he was ambassador just until recently to the UN for Cuba. That is very important to penetrate. So Lee had this going on with Sylvia. He seduced her in a matter of 24 hours. He's an expert. Wow. And taught in Atsugi how to seduce women.
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More than that.
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Oh, my gosh. Puppy dog eyes and vulnerable and sweet and tender and everything that you would ever dream of, he was taught all of that. Wow.
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Did he know who or no? He had a list of contacts. He had their names memorized. So when that didn't work and when he was afraid he couldn't get the visa in time, he actually went to the University of Mexico in Mexico City there. and ran into some students who were associated with another medical contact. He couldn't reach him either.
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It turned out that Robert Adler, just like Edison, how Edison went and got Tesla to work on his materials and everything. It's the same sort of thing. My dad was inventing lots of things for Adler. Adler gave him the money, but Adler got the credit for the –
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By the time he's invited them to a party with Sylvia, he's off by himself with these college students. They said, how did he know about us? It's because of the contact names he had, okay? They couldn't figure out how he knew that they were actually a procaster, which he knew.
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Well, he's got a problem. He's got to leave it. He can't take it back with him. He's got rotten stuff in it. So he leaves it behind. But he stops at the U.S. Public Health Service right there at Laredo before he crossed the border. It's on record. Although they've retracted it, we have the records.
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And apparently he left a contact, told somebody there, probably in some encryption or something, I don't know, because the two people working there didn't understand why he was there. But he told me he left information where he left, that he left it there, you know, at the souvenir shop.
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Twice I've been what they call been debriefed.
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Both times these guys were drunk, by the way. Right. Right, right.
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First of all, first of all, we're having these animals die even by airborne. And that's really scary. You have... So I'm finding out that all the marmosets have died. All of them died in such a short period of time. And it's the same stuff. I'm so familiar with it. They have gone through gate. We did the first gate of function. This is all gate of function over and over again. We're the first.
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And I brought a document. We don't have time to show you.
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Well, first of all, a whole lot of money went into this. And big money, big bucks. And this thing started March 23rd, 1962, a whole year before me. And they had a linear particle accelerator. That thing's worth a lot of money.
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No, but Lee was sent there all the time. Really? Yeah.
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Yes. But no, you have to understand, of course, I had access to other lab facilities, but that's where it's been.
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uh all the patents got it that's what happened okay we didn't mind because uh dad made so much money eventually he would go and retire when he's only 41 years old of florida but why did he retire he was he wanted to be a rocket scientist more than anything it's in my book you can see uh i love it if somebody just hold up the book when i'm talking about this book yeah now that's a sabotage one but you want to hold it up for us
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No, no, no, no. Okay, look. We had this ring of labs. The problem is that that ring was complete. We were afraid they'd figure out about each other. So they break that with Ferry. All right? All right. And Mary Sherman is the nexus between that. All right? Now, all our reports, when they go to Mary, she goes straight to Oxnard with it and all that. And then we start this.
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Every Tuesday, the whole ring started over again and all that. We don't have any way of any control over what's What they decide, like several times we had to kill 500 mice at a time to pull out these horrible noctis.
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Well, that happened too. But mostly we're working with actually the tumors themselves. The live mice, yes, always thousands of them because all the time they're hoping to get something even more powerful. They had this machine, you know, doing and all that. The bottom line for me was I had to go and assess that this stuff, please remember the word pancreas.
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You're going to see so much pancreatic cancer now and brain cancer. It's always the kind of cancers that we work with to develop this terrible virus with, okay? And, of course, we're seeing then they're going to do it on humans. And that's when I realized how deep I'd gotten into something. Because I was told they had terminal disease. It turned out they're perfectly healthy.
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The prisoners that they brought in from Angola prison. And I gave you a document showing it. Dick Russell shows that they were since 1960, they were using prisoners from Angola prison and doing stuff there with Heath was doing it. And we have other names that are associated.
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How close?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All right. Remember I told you I had a blood test developed. Whether or not you have cancer, it's running around in your blood. The idea is you're going to inject them, and if it's still there, we tag that with radioactive iodine. So all these injected cells, within 72, they can multiply. And every time you do that, the trace is going to get weaker by 50%. Think about that. Then 25%.
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So you've got to get in there pretty soon. On the other hand, you have to wait long enough to see if the human being is going to sift it out. If they get rid of it, it doesn't work. That's good news. So I was willing to go along with that.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
They were going to kick me out after this because this blood test, if it turned out that the person sifted out of their body, I would say, don't do it to anybody else. It doesn't work. See? On the other hand, if it did, I could say, don't do it to anybody else because it works.
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So I had to go up there and do the test just to stop it, just to stop it. And when I did that, I centrifuged everything down. I did the test, and the radioactive material was still there, so it was going to kill them because it was multiplying and they couldn't get rid of it. I knew they succeeded. We have a biological weapon. This thing was handed off to MD Anderson Hospital.
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I have documents from that. They don't like me to talk about that. I get in trouble every time I mention it. A lot of bad things have happened to me.
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cancer research that you got well they froze it they froze it i actually helped create materials that they wanted so they could freeze it so that would live almost forever understand that cancer cells in a line unless it's one of these what they call immortals they're after 28 30 or whatever they're going to divide they won't do it anymore they're going to die off so they put it in freezer then you can multiply tons of it you know anytime you want
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At that level.
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Well, that's how it began.
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Yes. And then they realized that they had something that could help the country avoid World War III. It was sold to them.
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I can try.
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It did. Well, I don't know why people don't think, and we didn't either, because back then we trusted our government. We trusted CIA. We trusted FBI. They were on our side. It turns out they were not on Kennedy's side. He wanted to smash the CIA at 100 pieces, 1,000 pieces. Yeah. Yeah. So they want to get rid of him.
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Yeah, I appreciate that. This is your book?
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Okay, so he calls me. Here's the thing.
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Yeah.
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So he was like, well, that was removed, you know, and that's what I was getting to is that.
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But that's not what they told the people. They said, we didn't know a thing about what he was doing. You remember that.
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They wanted to make sure he could be blamed. They can't blame him if they've got him on flash, right?
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Oh, Roman, yes.
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Well, there's nothing else you could say.
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Too much stuff had come out.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
There are many, many files out there that they don't know exist because they thought they got destroyed. Some good people didn't want them destroyed. Yeah. We've got the Clinton-Jackson incident you never hear of. That's when I said I went up there at one time with Lee.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
But before that, Lee Oswald, David Ferry, and Clay Shaw and Garrison Garb, they went up there originally to get these people injected. Clay Shaw was there with the bribery money, okay? And that worked very well because these people are not going to do this for nothing, all right? There's danger involved. And Lee Oswald is observing because nothing can be written down.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Now, we had a lot of stuff written down, but not the stuff that was important, you know? And so he is observing. So the idea is whoever picked up that in Mexico City, they would have had another meeting. He would have orally told them how to handle it and all that before he heads off to Cuba.
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Yeah.
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Now, they're sitting there for hours. People are going, why? They think, well, we have to get Lee Oswald, you know, to register to vote. Well, the car could have dropped them off and left. They couldn't because they had to go and wait for a phone call. There was only payphone in town. They had to sit there, and they didn't know the day before Martin Luther King had the I Have a Dream speech.
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This little sleepy town in Clinton has a town hall there, you know, the parish seat. And all these people are lined up to vote, and they're stuck there because they're waiting for a phone call. They took the phone call. They waited three hours for the phone call. They can't leave.
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And when it played, started playing, I had to leave immediately. Of course, everybody noticed, because I was a chaperone for all these kids, you know, all these teenagers. It was Saturday night, and we had popcorn and all that. I went to the church and prayed, and something stirred in my heart. I had waited so long to speak out, but I had kids.
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And anybody knows if it's just to drop Lee off, because that was an excuse to register to vote so he could somehow work at an insane asylum so then they can claim he's insane. All the crazy things they've got that are not true. But, of course, Lee gets out of the car because everybody's staring and stands in line because he ran into a woman.
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And she had actually an AA degree, you know, and she's black. And they said she failed her literacy test and couldn't read the Constitution. It was put in front of her face. She was crying. She had stood in line. He said, that doesn't, I'm going to stand in line. I'll bet I can just flash my stuff and say, yeah.
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No, not Guy Bannister.
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I thought he was driving the car. That is a lie. It's Clay Shaw. And we have the documents saying that he put out.
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That's why Garrison went after him.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No, they inserted Guy Bannister later. Oh, they did? Yeah. Oh, okay. That's a lie. We have all the documents. In fact, I gave you a deed on there.
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Give just like a... Clay Shaw was the director of, the under director of the International Trademark.
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mainly pretty wealthy, but the point is, is that he had all the contacts with CIA and they tried to He was the only guy that was brought in on the – They could because he really wanted to go after Ochsner, and Ochsner is so popular he didn't dare, but he started there because Ochsner – Right. I gave you a picture showing Ochsner and Clay Shaw together.
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And the reason that I did that is because they even claimed that they didn't know each other. When International House – you saw that where that – they're the ones that arranged for Kennedy, okay?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
International House was run for nine and a half years. Clay Shaw was there with Ochsner.
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Because he had enough contacts, obviously, with the CIA and the bad guys. Yeah.
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And I met him twice. I met him twice. Really? Yeah. I've met most of these people.
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This is Clinton.
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Well, they didn't. That's the lie. He only got out of the car to stand in line so he would be stared at while he's in the car. So he said, I'll do that because this girl came by and said they refused her. He said, I'll bet I can register and I don't even belong to this parish.
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What?
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Again, they had arranged before knowing about the Martin Luther King thing that I had a dream. It was a sleepy because a convoy was coming up from Angola prison with these prisoners. And they want to join the convoy with all their injections and all the stuff they've got. And they have to have a fancy car. Clay Shaw is driving the fancy car. He's got the money. But he's going to join the convoy.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
You've got an official car in the back. I don't know what they had, but you've got a Cadillac, black Cadillac, all going in together. But you can't go in by yourself. They're going to ask for credentials. So go in. They have to wait for the phone call. There's a long road before you can be seen, you know, turning into Jackson to go to the mental hospital. They're going to meet them there.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, they can't sit there on the road there. People would notice, I mean, on the big highway. But they could sit by the phone booth and wait for the phone call, you know, exactly. Get the timing right because we're only talking about 20 miles, you know, to join them. And they delayed and delayed and delayed.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I don't know because, you see, they're only supposed to use one prisoner and they added more for sure.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
They have some red tape.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, they tried to hide all this and say that they were just waiting for him to vote. They could have gone to a coffee shop around the corner, why not sit there? So we had 15 people. I told you about them. We went out and they found all these things and worked with me. We went to Clinton. And I said, that phone booth is right there on Liberty Street.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Maybe we can still find evidence that it was there. Because it was the only one in town that was a public phone booth. Or you could park a car and wait right there.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
sure enough we found it we found the wiring we found the wood parts and even where it was painted and everything it was gone but all the wiring was there and everything just like exactly where i said it was wow because we had i have a i have a map of it i even knew where the thing was located you know because lee at what point did lee find out about this plan to kill the president
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
They knew at least by March. There is a famous photo. It's called the wink. And you'll see Albert Thomas is winking at Lyndon Johnson in the plane right after Lyndon Johnson is sworn in. He's grinning. He's winking. Albert Thomas, in March of 1963, had Kennedy invited to Texas because he was going to retire. This is in Houston.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Albert Thomas gets on the plane after the dinner where he's resigning and all that. Now, get this, these friends with Lyndon Johnson, sure, you can imagine him going, Albert Thomas going, there's the wink. You can imagine Albert Thomas getting on the plane maybe from Houston just to Fort Worth, okay? Because they're friends. But he spends the night there. And more, he's there to Dallas as well.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I mean, why? Albert Thomas is still on the plane. When Kennedy's shot, he's on the plane and he's taking off and they're going to go to Washington, D.C.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Wait a minute. How many people do you know that you're going to meet in some certain city? You're going to their dinner and then they get on your plane with you and then they follow you. Where's his suitcase or whatever? He spends two years up there before he's, they said he was going to die. And you've got that wink. He's the one that set up to get Kennedy on this route to go to Texas.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's why the wink. That was March of 1963. Now, those who was following that, Ochsner knew everywhere where everybody's going. He was very close friends with Mary Sherman. Yeah. So they found out.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No. The meeting I had was between David Ferry and Mary Sherman when they told me that they knew of these things and that – That I had to trust them just like they had to trust me with this kind of information, you know, because they needed my expertise. Look, this looks shady to me. The party that Dave Ferry invited me to his full homosexuals and people were screaming there.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
They wanted to kill Kennedy and all this. They're all anti Castro people. And yes, David Ferry is picking up all kinds of information about him because they want to kill Kennedy. So he's kept, you see what I'm saying? And I said, this is crazy. I don't want to have any, these people want to kill Kennedy. So Lee had to take me to Guy Bannister. They said, I've got documents I showed you.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's right. Okay. When was this? That was right after this horrible party where I said, look, I'm not having anything to do with this. Are you crazy? You're saying you want to kill Kennedy. David Ferry said that out loud. And he said to me, Dave said, you know, at this meeting with Dave later, he said, what am I going to do?
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Am I going to say hail to the chief in front of people who want to kill Kennedy? Or am I going to say I'm going along with this? I'm going to go along with this so I get more information, for God's sake. Now, wait. David Ferry said. At Bay of Pigs in July, okay, 1961, when the Bay of Pigs happened, he hated Kennedy's guts. He put it to me this way.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Now, remember, David Ferry desperately tried to get me to be Catholic again. He was going to be a priest. When I became an atheist and I was going to be a nun, that's how we got so close. He did everything in his power to get me.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Oh, gosh, he wanted to be only a seminarian. He just wanted to serve God. That's all he wanted to do.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No, not at all. Oh, that's what the— Well, the official version is not true.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
What happened is that they removed him in these seminaries.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And finally he believed that he, that's what God made him, you know. Yeah, it was horrible. I've got a whole book on David Ferry. Now, how can I write a book about him unless I knew him that well? All right. It's over 350 pages. Wow. All right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And what happened is that he really hated Kennedy when he heard that Kennedy was responsible for the Bay of Pigs. That was the official story. And he, there's this retired... Ferry said he started to really hate Kennedy. It's worse. He was such a wonderful speaker. He was given the opportunity to have the keynote speaker for a whole bunch of retired military officers.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Now, I was also sponsored by military officers. That's how I got learned Russian and all that. So, I mean, I understood. So they had him for keynote speaker. He got up there and said, you know. I thought a great deal of Kennedy, and now I know what he's like, because at the Bay of Pigs, he lost two of the pilots he had sexual relationships with that he'd been training.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And so he thought it was Kennedy's fault. So he stands up there to these retired military officers in 61, and he says, somebody should have come up from behind a bush and shoot that bastard, you know.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
in his open car and they made him get off the stage about 150 of them well he's hiding behind the curtains till everybody leaves and you know what if the meeting was over 15 he said of the about 10 of them came behind the curtain said we feel like you do we want to kill that sob too you want to help us that's how come david ferry was able to get information
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
from these people because he worked as a courier for them for three and a half weeks. It doesn't sound like very long, but they all trusted him by then. Then he lost his job with Eastern Airlines. That helped because they still trusted him. But anyway, he knew all these contacts. And Barry Sherman is from Chicago.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Okay, Jack Ruby's from Chicago and I gave you information showing you that they murdered Jack Ruby in Parkland Hospital. That's in my book and you'll see it. They fried him alive with over 500 x-rays in just 22 days. It's enough to make you sick. Again, I've given you the book.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
The National Archives called me, and I personally got those records before anybody else in the world because they were mad that online people had taken my documents and altered them. And so they gave me the original documents. I told you.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And I gave you a thing showing you Al Maddox. I showed you I had contact with him. I had a phone number and everything. I showed you that. Al Maddox was his jailer. He told him I got injected with cancer cells. He was one of the mafia people who sent us money. Mafia, the anti-Castro Cubans.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
the uh this whole group sent money from different directions so you couldn't tell where it was coming from right so jack ruby he was being also he was being visited by a guy by the name of uh jolly and jolly west jolly and jolly and west they call him jolly for short right all right that was mk alter guy from cia yes he said after i've had somebody in my hands for two weeks they won't know their own name right and this was before he shot oswald though right no he was in jail
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All right, he was in jail, and they brought him in because he was going to tell.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's right. He was in jail. He was a prisoner there, and he had given full access to Jack Ruby, okay, to do whatever he wanted. And he messed him up so much, Jack was sticking his finger up in the socket to try and electrocute himself, you know, everything. That way you're going to tell somebody you got injected with cancer cells, nobody's going to believe you. And he did that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He injected with cancer cells a few weeks later. He is so sick that they put him in Parkland.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And most of them are in better shape than that one. That's paper sticking out. Some of these books got sabotaged. Actually, most of them did. So Lee Harvey Oswald and me will tell you it's got a lot of information and background we don't have time to talk about, you know, in here. But bottom line is, is my dad was set to be in the Redstone Rocket Project and everything.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So why would he try to... They were going to have another trial on Jack Ruby the day, the very day he was supposed to be transferred to another city to start a second trial, but they don't want that. That's the day he enters Parkland Hospital. He gets 42 x-rays in one day. Even on Christmas Day and Christmas Eve, he got x-rays.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He was forced. He cared about Lee. I met him. He liked Lee. He'd known him since he was a kid. Ruby? Yes. I've got – let me explain something.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So Jack Ruby is working. Savella and Jack Ruby own the Carousel Club together. He's not a nightclub owner. He's a half owner of a mafia-run carousel place, you know. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, basically everybody did. They said, and here's why, he knew too much. I mean, this guy knew Lee Oswald, and he knew about the project. And on top of that, he had gotten, well, frankly, I still believe that he... I believe he did not want to kill Kennedy. And somehow they figured that out. And they knew he knew enough that he could talk. So they made him. They kidnapped one of his dogs.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
By the way, the dog that's in the car there is not his favorite dog. Who are we talking about right now? Jack Ruby.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah. And anyway, David Ferry, very close to him. In fact, I met Jack Ruby for the first time in David Ferry's apartment. All right? I've got a long story about what happened there. It's so complex, but it's all there. It all fits. And I have witnesses. Remember, I've got witnesses that for all along the way about David Ferry knew Mary Sherman was they tried to say it didn't happen.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And I've got so much information on David Ferry that nobody had that now they have found. So one way you prove who you are is you put out information out there that nobody had before. And then they look for it and they find it. And I've got it, okay, because I knew these names. But here we've got a problem, David Ferry. Jack Ruby, that's okay knowing each other and all that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
They, of course, murdered so many of these people. And how they did it with David Ferry, I wish I had enough time to explain everything to you. This is huge. The reason we haven't been able to solve this is because it is complex. If it were simple, we wouldn't have this problem. And then they can do things like, say, Jackie shot her own husband, and they put all this stuff to obfuscate it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
But the last thing you're going to hear about is the name of the dude, the Ferry Baker.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And he was already doing stuff for Bendix and for Raytheon and so on. But my mother refused to have us go to Los Alamos and live behind barbed wire.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, two of them.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Okay, yeah. I apologize. And thank you for putting me back on track. There are so many things in my head going on. It's... Tons of stuff. Okay. And I don't forget anything. So I see these things, pictures, and that kind of disturbs me as well. You know? Right. See it all.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
All right. So imagine he's got this information and you've got Mary Sherman has all these contacts with people at University of Chicago. And Lee finds out that there's a plot in Chicago. And he manages to contact the FBI. We have Abraham Bolden, the Secret Service. We have James Douglas. And we have reports that somebody named Lee is the one that informed them.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And he broke up a plot to kill Kennedy in Chicago. Now, they've got to do something with Lee Oswald.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's right. We've got it on record. Well, the name is Lee and the informants. And I'm telling you, everybody really knows that was Lee.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yes, but Lee, no, I don't know about Tampa, but I do know about Miami that Lee also there, Miltier, Joseph Miltier there said, well, we're going to get him. He's on video, not video, but he is on audio saying we're going to kill him with a high-powered rifle here from a high building, office building either here or Dallas.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Joseph Miltier, M-I-L-T-E.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
That's why.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He was notifying the FBI about it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And they also said they'd maybe have to move us around a lot because we might get bombed, other things. And my mother didn't want to go. It ruined my father. It broke his heart, and he began drinking a lot. He just retired. But that ruined a lot of things for our family as well because my grandmother died in 1956. a few days before the Hungarian Revolution. Now, my name is Judith Vary Baker.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Again, Lee Oswald is pretending to be pro Castro and he's learning all kinds of information. Castro doesn't want to be blamed for Kennedy's demise. And so he's trying to find out information who wants to kill Kennedy. He's got all these different sources. They've got to get rid of this guy.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Oh, no, no, no. All along, remember, we wanted to live together and all that. And they forced him to go back to Dallas. They said they promised he could go back to Mexico when they found out that's what he really wanted to do after Christmas. First they said before Christmas. They cheated after Christmas. And that's why he gets a temporary job at the Texas School Book Depository.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Always before, wherever he went with Marina, I mean, he had several jobs. She was always living. That's not the way it was in the end. They even call him his estranged wife. He goes to visit them on weekends, you know, and all that. But he's still living in just a little tiny place. And he takes a temporary job.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He had offers for permanent jobs, and he turned them down because, of course, he only thought he was going to be going back at Christmas. Texas School Book Depository, there was a setup. They fired two people the day they hired him. The book depository in September passes these books all over Texas, school books, all right? That's when they need personnel.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
By October, and we're talking about October 10th and 15th, he starts work. They don't have any more orders, hardly. You see what I mean? But they hire him anyway. Now they've got three order takers at the school book deposit. And, of course, it's really a cover job, and he's gone a lot.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Well, there's so much in it. There's so much background information I have not been able to give to you because we haven't had time. There never is enough time, really. I told you it took 18 hours for me to explain all of this to Nigel Turner.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And they put that into a 46-minute thing called the love affair. And they took all my evidence out. They took all my witnesses out. And they took pictures of my family up close. And they got in trouble. And my family has had almost nothing to do with me since one of my sons has spoken to me since 1999.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I've endangered my family, and I got denounced by one of my sons recently, just a couple days ago. It's been really hard, saying, you know, you've destroyed, you don't care if we destroy our family, you don't care what happens to us, all you care about is, you know, your fame. It's never been about fame. It's because I love Lee Oswald.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Don't you know, I've been approached, they said, look, you heard me get a movie offer when I was sitting here. I get them all the time. You heard the thing, did you hear what I,
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, right. I mean, you can tell stuff is going on. It's always been that way. But the trouble is I have not wanted to seek any of that. I was offered millions, you know how? With a deal. They wanted to make a big story saying how we had our love affair and all that, but he lied to me and he went on to kill Kennedy. And what a pitiful thing I am because I've been trying to prove his innocence.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And I would be rich if I just go along with that. Turn them down, of course.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He did.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He joined an abort team.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yes, and we have the record from Jim Mars, and it's his book Crossfire, which he altered to add my testimony. All right? Because Tosh Plumlee, there was an abort team trying to follow along. Now, they can't go and just knock guns out of people's hands because then they can't be used again, right? But they would stand in a line and fire, or they'd do a distraction or something so they couldn't fire.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
The V-A-R-Y is a Hungarian name. But even though that came from my father's side, some Germans had it as well. I love my grandmother.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
The war team, and this followed Kennedy around a lot, and maybe they're doing it all the time, I don't know, you know. But the whole idea is to make sure you look where people might be shooting, and you make sure you're standing in the line of fire, or if you see something that's suspicious, you make a distraction so that they can't shoot, or they'll be noticed if they shoot.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Because you cannot do that directly, or you're no good anymore, right? They can't use you again, you see what I mean?
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, you can't just go and arrest them or something. But what you can do is collect information about who they are and everything and that they show up more than one time, you know, and they've got guns and all that. You would not believe how many people that they were tracing and tracking. What they did, so CIA did this, FBI did this together.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
They put so many threats out there that they couldn't cover them all. They were an exhausted team that reached Dallas late.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Lee was part of that team.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Absolutely. I've said I talked to him 37 and a half hours before the assassination.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yes. Well, a lot of it I can. It's an hour and a half long and I have never divulged all of it because a lot of it was very personal. But it gets to me viscerally. You understand? Because he told me they were going to kill him. He knew. Yeah. But he was in a spot. If he fled, he said they would kill me, they would kill his babies, they would kill his wife. Same thing for Jack Ruby.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He was threatened, David Ferry told me, because it went around, because Jack Ruby was so very close to the mafia. And what they knew, what they understood, is that the way it was directed to Jack Ruby. And this was through the – his name is Currington. And he was with Howard Hunt – the Hunt that is – not Howard Hunt.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
The Hunt that is the multimillionaire in Dallas. All right? And Hunt had Currington find out how much protection Lee Oswald had. And then he made sure that Jack Ruby was contacted or else. And the inside information is this, because people cared. They said they would cut every protruding part of his body off. They would kill his family. They would torture his dogs to death and so on.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
I love my grandmother very much, and she was a matriarch of the family. And I even want to cry when I think of her. We loved her so very much. And here she died of cancer a couple of weeks before the Hungarian Revolution. It's very famous. That was October 23rd, 1956. Wow. Now I'm going to tell you something.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And they would get somebody else to do it if he didn't anyway.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Harrington, C-U-R-R-I-N-T-O-N, Harrington.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah, the millionaire hunt. Currington is his secretary.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No, that's his secretary. Oh, that's his secretary.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He's the one that was sent. He went up and down the elevator with Lee Oswald, who was with Jim Lavelle at the time, a detective. He had no protection. He said, easy peasy, easy, go and shoot him. You make sure Ruby doesn't, because we've got to get Ruby out of this, too. He knows too much, because he knew about us.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
No, no. He joined.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He said he joined it. He found a way to join.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He pretended, just like Jack Rupp, everybody pretended that they wanted to kill Kennedy. That's the only way you're going to get information. All right? Like David Ferry told me clearly, he said, when he found out who was really in charge, he said this, that was my Catholic brother. I voted for him. You know, we're Irish. We both have Irish blood.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He said, when I found out what they had done to Kennedy, he said, I stayed in contact with him. They think I hate JFK, but I'm there to try and save his life.
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Nestle Oswald. Yes.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Yeah. He was going to kill him. And why he did, because he had, um, To stay in a Texas school book depository and not leave and get out of there or something like that. He knew a team was going to come in there, at least somebody would come in there to shoot. And he's supposed to let them in. He's going to make sure that they can get in, you know, that kind of thing.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Now, Lee had access all, you know, to at least all the floors as a team. a order taker you know and except the sixth floor i know he could go up the fifth floor and they the shooter was one shooter was situated there we know that bird bought the place just a few months earlier bird was good friends with um lvj he was they called him dry uh dry well bird or something like that byrd his
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#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
He owned that and they were refurbishing it. The so-called sniper's nest was never built by Lee Oswald. That is a lie. The people working there put that up so they could hide behind it and take a smoke and take a break, you know. And they tried to say that's where the shots came from. But Bird takes a window jam from a different window at the other end of the building. You took the wrong one.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So then eventually you take the other one. They blocked that off so you can't really try to make the shot yourself. But get this. When FBI tried to do it, they had to move the boxes because the rifle butt would hit the wall. And it would hit a pipe that was there. Jim Mars checked on that. And a couple others did, too.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
And they found out that there's no way you could put the rifle to make the shot because it would hit this pipe. So the Texas School Book Depository moved the pipe up 18 inches. They moved all the boxes. They still couldn't make the shot. So it's in my book, and it's in the Warren Commission's 26 volumes. They realized you can't make the shot from there to show that you could make it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Absolutely. And also then my grandfather was diagnosed with cancer. He fought it for years.
Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
So they built a tower outside, right on the street, 30 feet lower. the fifth story window. And from that tower in the middle of the street, 30 feet lower, that's how they proved that Lee Oswald could shoot from that window straight at, but that target wasn't moving, a stationary target. And eventually they could get people to say they got, you know, made the shot. They're world experts.