Judge Soonhee (Sunny) Bailey
Appearances
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
Oh, no, thank you.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
Interesting. I feel like there's so much pressure on us for something that we created accidentally. We're always looking for new things. We try things and then it doesn't work. And then we try new things. We're here to help the children. And so we're constantly trying to figure out what's going to help the children more and what we can do for them.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
And then we always look to the children, what's helped, what hasn't helped. What can we do more to help them and try to get them ready for adulthood and how they could be more independent and how we can get them reunited with their families? This was really about helping the families because really what you want is having a youth on the spectrum is chaotic for the families.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
People don't understand is that these families are walking on shells. They don't know what to do. And they don't understand the chaos and the chaos for the other children. We're trying to just give back some kind of peace and normalcy and just get them ready for the future. They're so scared. And when they come into our court system, they don't know what to expect.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
The last thing they're expecting us to offer a bag of chips. We're looking at reinforcers and they're like, excuse me, what? And we're like, hey, we're just trying to get him to stop cussing and we don't want to punch holes in the wall. We're willing to reinforce this. And they're like, what? You want us to bribe our kids? That's not what we're trying to do.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
So we're trying to get them on board with this behavioral change and it's very hard to explain to them why we're doing it. And so we got to get the parents on board and they're like, we're not the ones that are in trouble, but no, we're trying to get you to understand what we're trying to do and get everyone in the same place. They're so used to this different way of doing things.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
And so we have to completely change everyone's way of thinking.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
It's really hard to change the whole family and the dynamic and everything else. When you got everyone involved in the different, two different families, split families and grandparents and everybody else, we've got to change a whole family dynamic that's been going on for 16 years. It's a task. And so that's what we're doing. If anything, we're really trying to get into the parent training.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
I'm a judge, so that's what I do. And I just happen to have a court that handles children with autism. So I guess that's where it starts. So I happen to have a court that deals with neurodiversity. So I guess what you're asking me is how I ended up with the court with neurodiversity. That kind of happened by accident.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
We love the parent training portion because we do that. We really want to reinforce the parents. And that's something that we hadn't thought about. So now we reinforce the parents. We reinforce the siblings and everyone else, which is something, a component we had not thought about and we forgot about. Now we started doing that as well. Those are the new innovations.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
Those are things we had forgotten about that we needed to do. So those are things we're still looking at. We're constantly looking forward to the ABA component. I don't know if you saw the New Yorker article. We had to face some criticism with ABA. So we were looking at that. We had to explain to people ABA isn't the same. It evolves. It evolves with the children. It's not about sitting at a table.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
They go out to the community. They learn socialization. They learn about dating. They learn about workplace relationships. We understand the criticism about people feel it's pigeonholing and things like that, but it's not how it is anymore. When you go to the workplace and you get frustrated, you're not allowed to punch a coworker. These are what gets you into my system.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
And so we're trying to teach them how to cope and how to become independent, how to learn. And we do love their independence. We foster that. We want them to have adult relationships. And so that's the things that we're trying to teach people. And we recognize all those things. But those are things that we're adapting to and trying to explain.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
It's just been very difficult with everything and just trying to show everyone the system and that it does work. And when you talk to the youth and you see them and you watch them change from when they first come in and when they come back, it's fantastic when you just see them and their families. When you watch the families change, it's amazing. Those are the things that we're really working on.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
We do. We see that. Unfortunately, most of the families aren't together, but we do see changes. Unfortunately, I see way too many kids in the foster system because I'm also dependency. I get to do a lot with the foster kids. We see way too many from the homes that are not together, but we do see families. We've actually seen step-parents come and learn. We offer it to them too.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
Because I'm in domestic, I'm here in family, I also do settlement conferences and mediations for child custody cases because... We get a lot of parents that are splitting up with custody cases and they want to hear from someone. I'm a parent of a child on the spectrum, so they want to hear from us. First thing you're scared of is who's going to understand my unique needs.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
I'm also a mediation judge for that and a settlement judge. So I come in, I'm like, hey, I do understand this. I do understand what's out there. And we actually talk about what services do you have? Do you have enough services? Because that's one of the stressors of this. And so we actually talk about that as well.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
So back in 2018, we had a youth that came into detention and the officers came in and they came to me and said, hey, we've got a child that came in with domestic violence charges, came into detention. They didn't know what to do with them. He was overstimulated. He couldn't handle a regular calendar, which often happens. And so they said, do you know what to do with them?
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
We do see the families and we say, hey, if you're going to mom and dad's house, we need to talk about this. So we do that both in dependency, delinquency, and in our domestic world because we got to deal with all of it down here in families. So I have coworkers come running and say, Bailey, I got another one because we see it just this morning.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
I just dealt in the dependency side, another kid on the spectrum. I can't tell you a week doesn't go by when I don't see someone in my foster care system, unfortunately. And so we deal with that. And I'm never going to place a kid if I can't get that dealt with as well. Actually, a great success story in day court is I had a youth on the spectrum who came through day court, got involved and
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
did a couple of things he wasn't supposed to. And one of the providers was watching him and saw great potential. He's in the foster care system as well. Grandparents couldn't handle his behaviors. And just a long story short, provider became a foster parent, is in the process of adopting him right now.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
We have some success stories there. I'm trying to convince him to take a couple more, but he said one at a time. But we have to deal with all those. And that's the issue. But no, families cannot deal with all the behaviors alone. To deal with all these behaviors... Autism is a 24 hour. It's 24 hours. School districts can't handle it by themselves. Parent can't handle it by themselves.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
And two parents need to co-parent and they both need the skills to deal with these behaviors. Because if you have inconsistency, then the behaviors happen at one house and not the others. And that's what we're finding, especially in delinquency. If one parent was finding a lot of the behaviors happening in one place and not the others, that's because this is what you're doing.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
And we can send in someone to do something. And sometimes we find we can get them to mesh a little better. And then it helps out a lot.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
I think I'm very fortunate because the probation department, prosecutors, everyone here is so aware of autism now because we have the court. And so we're so fortunate. Our officers in detention, if someone's arrested and sent to detention, they are immediately aware of the youth. They're sent to a particular unit. They're aware of the reinforcement schedules.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
They know how to make sure they're not overstimulated. They know how to reinforce the behaviors that we want in order to not have someone escalate. So I think that's very helpful. They immediately in probation, they know how to start speaking to the parents saying, hey, we understand if your youth is on the spectrum, we know what to do with him. We have an autism court.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
We know how to refer him to them. Can you please get us the paperwork? So they understand how to speak with them about that. I think it's very important for parents to immediately alert law enforcement, to immediately alert parents. the prosecutor or wherever the facility is to let them know that they have someone on the spectrum, to let them know what their needs are, to let them know
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
Can you do something with them? So I said, sure. My Thursday calendar was really light. And I said, why don't you put them on my Thursday afternoon calendar? I don't mind to hear them then. So we said, why don't we just put them on the Thursday calendar? So we had them on a calendar with just him. He came in and we handled this case.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
about things so they don't become overstimulated to let the court know how they may react. I'm a former public defender. I remember we used to have a couple adults that would come in. I remember one used to hide under the table, things like that. I think they need to be aware of that and how they may behave. I think there's been a couple that have come in.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
I think the ones that are level one or higher functioners, I think those are the harder ones because they tend to be, especially if you start getting into the ODD, their reactions, I think people think they're more like a-holes. I So I think they need to let them know that their reaction may be more in terms of their behavior.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
I think you need to alert that this may be how they react in a certain situation. And it's not going to be because they're a certain way. When ODD people come in, they're going to react in a certain way. You need to alert. And so I think awareness is very key. Let the attorney know as well so they can represent. And I think it's always education is key.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
We're very fortunate that we're so aware here in Clark County with it. And I think just we've been going since 2018. So we're so aware of it at this time. We have fidget toys all over. First someone comes in, you're going to get a fidget right off the bat. So we're aware of it. You're automatically going to get that. We're going to reinforce you sitting still. We're going to reinforce you.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
We're aware of those that are attention seekers. The elopers are a little bit hard, immediately locked down the courtroom. We've got that. We know how to deal with the behaviors and those kinds of things. So we know exactly how we're supposed to deal with each one. and how we're going to deal with each behavior. So we need to know what their particular behavior is.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
So it's important for the parents to let us know as well. Do you have an attention seeker? Do you have an eloper? What do you got? So awareness is key. So that's my advice is let us know what you have and what the behaviors are so we can help because that's the key, especially in a juvenile delinquency situation. We need to know what it is. And so the more we know, the more we can assist.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
The adult is a little bit harder because obviously they're going to be looking at different things, but it's always knowledge is going to give us the more information to assist.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
Anytime, anytime. You can always come. Like I said, you can always come and watch a session as well. We're sealed. You can't talk about the names or anything, but you can always, it's always a big eye opener when you see the different behaviors that we have, because again, it's a spectrum.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
And the next thing I know, the probation officers were coming in saying, hey, we have an autistic calendar. No, we don't. I had an autistic youth. So they were all excited because I continued up to another Thursday calendar because that was my light calendar. And they were so excited. They said, you have an autistic calendars for autistic youth. Why don't we just put another kid on there?
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
I said, again, I don't have an autistic calendar. I just happen to have a youth with autism on this calendar.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
Next thing I know, I had two youth on this calendar. And so they were all excited. And so I kept telling them, no, I don't have a calendar. What happened is I then had two kids on this calendar. And so a couple of weeks went by with these two kids on this calendar. That original kid who came back, we had a, it's called a wraparound Nevada. It was a service coordinator.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
He came back and handled the one youth that he already had services for and he saw the other youth and he said, hey, I'll just take this other kid. Hey, it's great. You have this calendar for autistic youth. And again, I was like, I don't have a calendar for autistic youth, but I'm glad you'll take the second kid. Then the two kids came back on the quieter calendar.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
And then the probation officers were so excited. You have this calendar for autistic youth. And again, I kept saying, I don't have this calendar. for autistic youth. I had these two children. So then the next thing you know, this wraparound Nevada person came back because I just kept the two kids on that quieter calendar. They needed the quieter calendar.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
The wraparound Nevada worker came back for the two kids. He said, hey, I brought a friend for your autism calendar. I brought this friend who wants to volunteer on this calendar. He kept saying, I don't have this calendar. And so he goes, but he wants to volunteer on this calendar. I said, great. We could use the services for this other kid. And the next thing you know, I had another kid on there.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
So this person volunteered. And the next thing you know, I did have a calendar for Youth on the Spectrum. that just continued to grow. And we had originally not realized we had so many youth with autism because probation had been trying to handle them informally. And so we had ended up putting them on this calendar because it was quieter and everything else.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
Long story short, that's how our calendar developed is accidentally not realizing that all these people they were trying to have informally, we developed this quieter calendar for them. And then We ended up having this calendar. And then apparently I didn't realize that when you had this calendar, we needed an acronym because I didn't realize you couldn't just have a calendar without an acronym.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
So then we became the detention alternative for autistic youth because our first youth was in detention. So that is how we developed our calendar from there. And it just grew word of mouth. So people just started volunteering and saying, hey, I have someone with these services. And so that is how we ended up starting in April of 2018. Yes, not a very great story. It's just a very disjointed one.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
Well, and I do have a direct link with autism, though. My oldest daughter is on the spectrum, which is why they came to me in the first place. My oldest daughter is on the spectrum. That's why I have knowledge on it. But that's how it developed. But I didn't know we had this need for it in the delinquency system where I was sitting. But it has developed since 2018.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
Since then, we continue to develop word of mouth. We were grassroots. And then the last session, our legislative session only meets every two years. We're very fortunate. One of our senators, Senator Orenshaw, is actually also a public defender. Last session, two years ago, they actually proposed a bill, Senate Bill 411, to actually recognize Neurodiversity Specialty Court for Autism.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
So that way it could be recognized as a specialty court because our day court didn't fit under any type of specialty court under the statute. Because you have mental health, you have drugs and things like that, but ours didn't fit. And so with Senate Bill 411, they actually created a specialty court for us to allow a diversionary court to exist for us for autism.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
And so it was proposed last session and unanimously passed both the Senate and the House. And so SB 411 became a law last session. So that's where we were recognized. So we are the only recognized autism specialty court in the nation. That's where we became a law last session. So we've expanded out. And then currently SB 140 is currently pending.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
We just passed the Senate yesterday where we can expand out to fetal alcohol syndrome related neurodiversity and as well as neonatal abstinence syndrome. So we're looking to expand out to be a truly neurodiverse court. We can be recognized. There will be the only truly neurodiverse court in the country.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
Actually, we have spoken across the country eight times last year alone. And then people have reached out this year. I think we have a couple more engagements, about three more this year. So people are reaching out and asking us. They're still a little overwhelmed to try to attempt it from what I've heard so far.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
But people are continually reaching out to us, trying to figure out how to start a court and asking us how we do it. I think a lot of people think it costs a lot of money. We try to explain. We started out with no money. We started out with a box of, I think, fruit snacks and some chips. And so we keep trying to explain. It's just reinforcers. It's just time.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
We started out with a session and just being able to just separate some time and just having people willing to come in. And then the way that we have found with the community, if you just carve out the session and just let people know you're there, people have been wanting to come in and just volunteer time. We function completely off people who are willing to volunteer their time to come in.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
and just take on the extra time and effort just to make sure that we can address the needs of the neurodiverse community and make sure their needs are met. And so far, we haven't had an issue with that. Everyone just keeps answering our needs and coming into court. To answer your question, we've graduated our 102nd graduate from our program. Our recidivism rate hovers around the 90th percentile.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
Our success rate's 90%, and so we've been doing pretty well.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
We have two different paths. First of all, we have to figure out if our youth is competent because there's different levels of autism. So we also have to figure out the competency level. So we have some that aren't even competent, some that may be competent, and then we have to go from there. We rely heavily on applied behavioral analysis. and getting them into applied behavioral analysis.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
And then it's baby steps on accountability because obviously some people believe that autism, that we're not holding people accountable, but we are. Through that, we build through the reinforcement system where we rely heavily on behavioral modification and reinforcement. So we want to reinforce the behaviors that we want while trying to extinct the behaviors that we don't.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
And then we always start with something small, something small that we can reinforce. And then we build upon that, which we can't. It could be something very small. Very small in terms of we're going to work on your language. We're going to reinforce and try to extinct the language that we can't have because we can't have abusive language.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
And we build off the abusive language to the aggressive acts. We got to work on you can't physically harm people. We can't hit people. And then we got to reinforce that. So it's the baby steps into that. And then of course, once we can do that, then we can build on it. And then we progress from there.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
And that's been our major thing because mostly we're going to have battery domestic violence, possibly breaking items. things like that. So we got to figure out what the heavily preferred reinforcers are so we can build on that. The abusive language can build into that because it's the frustration and the denied access to heavily preferred items. So that's what we build in.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
And then we can go from there. Once we can do that, we usually can then be very successful with getting the behaviors down. So they're not going to look at the physical, the batteries and things like that.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
It's different for every child because again, autism is a sliding scale. For one child, it could be going to college. It could be living independently, but that may not be the success for another child. For another child, it may simply be not punching holes in the wall, not abusing the parents. For another child, it may be simply just getting them to stay in a home.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
We have many children who are part of the foster system. We're just trying to get them out of a residential treatment center and into a home where we're trying to get them someplace where they can stay that's safe. That's not a treatment facility where we possibly can get them into adulthood where they're not going to end up in the prison system because we've gotten them so late.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
Some of these children had never been diagnosed until age 16. So we're fighting against a system that potentially we're all that's going to keep them out of the prison system. Our whole goal is to simply get them to a place where maybe they could stay in a group home and not in a jail. And so it depends on each kid. And so our goal is separate for each child.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
So we have to look at what each child's capable of and hopefully get them to the most independent state that they are. And so it depends on each child. So we have to be careful that we're not putting an unrealistic goal on each kid. So that's where we're at.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
We have a majority males. It's hard with the females because of the masking. You also have to remember we have a lot of comorbid up to 75 to 85% of our children because they're coming to us in their teen years. They also have psychiatric issues as well. And so we're fighting against the psychiatric as well. And so we have to get them before the psychiatric outweighs our autism needs.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
And sometimes we failed there as well. That's our most frustrating is when we get them so late that by the time we are treating the autism, we may have the autism where we have the ABA under control, but then the psychiatric issues will engulf our children. autism successes. And then we failed in that part.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
Oh, gosh. Let's see. There's a new challenge every day. So we walk into court. We have so many children in the foster system. So there's a challenge there because we can't find homes for them. So if you have a child on the autism spectrum who's looking in the teen years and we can't find stable homes for them, It's very difficult to find appropriate treatment.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
So if you can't find appropriate and consistent treatment because they're being bounced from home to home, consistency is so important for them. So if we don't have consistency, how are we going to get them into adulthood? We have issues with appropriate IEPs. Some of them have FAS as well, so fetal alcohol syndrome.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
So we're trying to get that with the fetal alcohol syndrome plus the comorbid psychiatric. We need to get parents on board. And we need consistency. And so we have that. Then, of course, we have all the various issues with you name it. We have everything going on. We have the late diagnoses. We don't have the appropriate diagnoses.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
And you have to remember all the kids that I have now are the ones that are usually insurance didn't cover originally because insurance is a late new coming thing for these children. Now we have the kids that are being diagnosed at three and four, but insurance didn't come along until recently.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
So these are children that would maybe have been diagnosed at three or four if insurance had been around at that time. We've lost 10 to 12 years of potentially early intervention that possibly would have allowed them to become independent, but now we have. So those are the issues that are, we're playing catch up. So it's very difficult. with all these different issues.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
So we feel like we're playing catch up. And then of course, insurance doesn't cover everything. So we have insurance gaps as well. These are all the different factors that we're dealing with to play catch up and everything else. We feel like we're always behind the eight ball. Funding's always an issue. We're always having a lack of resources.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Judge Soonhee(Sunny) Bailey: Breaking the Cycle and Creating America's First Autism Court Program
You name it, just pretty much the gamut, usual every day.