Josh Thurman

Good morning, everybody. Welcome back. Today, we're talking largely about internet safety. I've read that we have access to 98% of the known knowledge of mankind through our devices, laptop, tablet, phone, whatever it may be. How do we access that safely, though, with our children? How do we create a system an app, a portal that allows them to access it safely with barriers and boundaries.

Good morning, everybody. Welcome back. Today, we're talking largely about internet safety. I've read that we have access to 98% of the known knowledge of mankind through our devices, laptop, tablet, phone, whatever it may be. How do we access that safely, though, with our children? How do we create a system an app, a portal that allows them to access it safely with barriers and boundaries.

Good morning, everybody. Welcome back. Today, we're talking largely about internet safety. I've read that we have access to 98% of the known knowledge of mankind through our devices, laptop, tablet, phone, whatever it may be. How do we access that safely, though, with our children? How do we create a system an app, a portal that allows them to access it safely with barriers and boundaries.

A Nomex flight suit in the middle of the summer doing CQC house runs. That's brutal. Don't sleep on it. It's a good time. But it hooked me. I get asked all the time why. And I didn't have an answer then. And I honestly don't have a great answer now. I don't know exactly what it was. But once it got it hooks into me, it was as if my true north calibrated in that direction.

A Nomex flight suit in the middle of the summer doing CQC house runs. That's brutal. Don't sleep on it. It's a good time. But it hooked me. I get asked all the time why. And I didn't have an answer then. And I honestly don't have a great answer now. I don't know exactly what it was. But once it got it hooks into me, it was as if my true north calibrated in that direction.

A Nomex flight suit in the middle of the summer doing CQC house runs. That's brutal. Don't sleep on it. It's a good time. But it hooked me. I get asked all the time why. And I didn't have an answer then. And I honestly don't have a great answer now. I don't know exactly what it was. But once it got it hooks into me, it was as if my true north calibrated in that direction.

And I think, you know, my dad... Didn't have the best experience in Vietnam. And he came from military family, Navy on my dad's side, Army on my mom's side. Both sides, I feel like we're hoping that generationally the military service would end with them based on their own experience. So when I started heading in that direction, I can only imagine my dad like, I should have kept my mouth shut.

And I think, you know, my dad... Didn't have the best experience in Vietnam. And he came from military family, Navy on my dad's side, Army on my mom's side. Both sides, I feel like we're hoping that generationally the military service would end with them based on their own experience. So when I started heading in that direction, I can only imagine my dad like, I should have kept my mouth shut.

And I think, you know, my dad... Didn't have the best experience in Vietnam. And he came from military family, Navy on my dad's side, Army on my mom's side. Both sides, I feel like we're hoping that generationally the military service would end with them based on their own experience. So when I started heading in that direction, I can only imagine my dad like, I should have kept my mouth shut.

I mean, you know, the deal, the community that we served with, and I try to tell people this all the time, they're exceptionally average people. I really do. I mean, there are, there were a couple of people in my class and I'm sure there were in yours that like, you look like you're chiseled out of marble, like physical, absolute specimens.

I mean, you know, the deal, the community that we served with, and I try to tell people this all the time, they're exceptionally average people. I really do. I mean, there are, there were a couple of people in my class and I'm sure there were in yours that like, you look like you're chiseled out of marble, like physical, absolute specimens.

I mean, you know, the deal, the community that we served with, and I try to tell people this all the time, they're exceptionally average people. I really do. I mean, there are, there were a couple of people in my class and I'm sure there were in yours that like, you look like you're chiseled out of marble, like physical, absolute specimens.

But if you were to line up an average buds class, most people would go. Okay. Some height, some shorties in the Smurf crew, if we're still allowed to call it the Smurf crew.

But if you were to line up an average buds class, most people would go. Okay. Some height, some shorties in the Smurf crew, if we're still allowed to call it the Smurf crew.

But if you were to line up an average buds class, most people would go. Okay. Some height, some shorties in the Smurf crew, if we're still allowed to call it the Smurf crew.

Somebody asked me the other day, what do they call the tallest boat crew? And I can't remember. Was there a name for them? Boat crew one. Obviously. Yeah. But I don't think they had- There was no nickname. Yeah. Why are you going to make fun of tall people, right? Yeah.

Somebody asked me the other day, what do they call the tallest boat crew? And I can't remember. Was there a name for them? Boat crew one. Obviously. Yeah. But I don't think they had- There was no nickname. Yeah. Why are you going to make fun of tall people, right? Yeah.

Somebody asked me the other day, what do they call the tallest boat crew? And I can't remember. Was there a name for them? Boat crew one. Obviously. Yeah. But I don't think they had- There was no nickname. Yeah. Why are you going to make fun of tall people, right? Yeah.

They're building a massive facility on the western edge of Missoula. So the Montana Knife Company is Kind of makes sense where that came from. The state of Montana is also in the logo, but it's a global brand. These are some of the highest quality knives I've ever gotten my hands on. Beyond the fact that Josh is bringing jobs back into Montana, these are American made.

They're building a massive facility on the western edge of Missoula. So the Montana Knife Company is Kind of makes sense where that came from. The state of Montana is also in the logo, but it's a global brand. These are some of the highest quality knives I've ever gotten my hands on. Beyond the fact that Josh is bringing jobs back into Montana, these are American made.

They're building a massive facility on the western edge of Missoula. So the Montana Knife Company is Kind of makes sense where that came from. The state of Montana is also in the logo, but it's a global brand. These are some of the highest quality knives I've ever gotten my hands on. Beyond the fact that Josh is bringing jobs back into Montana, these are American made.

Yeah. Save it for the Smurfs. But yeah, I know that he would have hoped that it ended with me, but I just- I couldn't think about anything else. And then you get into the community, and that was one of the most common sentiments of the guys that I had served with. But they're very average people in almost every way. Maybe we're tooled a little bit differently.

Yeah. Save it for the Smurfs. But yeah, I know that he would have hoped that it ended with me, but I just- I couldn't think about anything else. And then you get into the community, and that was one of the most common sentiments of the guys that I had served with. But they're very average people in almost every way. Maybe we're tooled a little bit differently.

Yeah. Save it for the Smurfs. But yeah, I know that he would have hoped that it ended with me, but I just- I couldn't think about anything else. And then you get into the community, and that was one of the most common sentiments of the guys that I had served with. But they're very average people in almost every way. Maybe we're tooled a little bit differently.

But for whatever reason, that idea, it unlocks... this something. And then people just drive down that path. I heard it over and over again as an instructor. I heard it over and over again in the cage rooms, talking with guys and they're like, I don't know. It's just all I ever wanted to do. Like, why did it grab us like that, but not other people? I don't have an answer for it.

But for whatever reason, that idea, it unlocks... this something. And then people just drive down that path. I heard it over and over again as an instructor. I heard it over and over again in the cage rooms, talking with guys and they're like, I don't know. It's just all I ever wanted to do. Like, why did it grab us like that, but not other people? I don't have an answer for it.

But for whatever reason, that idea, it unlocks... this something. And then people just drive down that path. I heard it over and over again as an instructor. I heard it over and over again in the cage rooms, talking with guys and they're like, I don't know. It's just all I ever wanted to do. Like, why did it grab us like that, but not other people? I don't have an answer for it.

If they would have let us bet as instructors, we'd be broke.

If they would have let us bet as instructors, we'd be broke.

If they would have let us bet as instructors, we'd be broke.

I would say that's probably soft wide. Yeah, I think that's right. I think the community – that is a skill that has served me well post-military. But then I try to reverse engineer that. Is that because people who can learn quickly are drawn to that job or is that a skill set that we learn along the way? I think both might be true to a degree.

I would say that's probably soft wide. Yeah, I think that's right. I think the community – that is a skill that has served me well post-military. But then I try to reverse engineer that. Is that because people who can learn quickly are drawn to that job or is that a skill set that we learn along the way? I think both might be true to a degree.

I would say that's probably soft wide. Yeah, I think that's right. I think the community – that is a skill that has served me well post-military. But then I try to reverse engineer that. Is that because people who can learn quickly are drawn to that job or is that a skill set that we learn along the way? I think both might be true to a degree.

But, I mean, something I learned early in my career is if somebody, in this case the military, is going to spend a ton of money to have like world-class fill-in-the-blank – My theory is you do exactly what they tell you to do and no more.

But, I mean, something I learned early in my career is if somebody, in this case the military, is going to spend a ton of money to have like world-class fill-in-the-blank – My theory is you do exactly what they tell you to do and no more.

But, I mean, something I learned early in my career is if somebody, in this case the military, is going to spend a ton of money to have like world-class fill-in-the-blank – My theory is you do exactly what they tell you to do and no more.

Follow directions absent being interrupted or going down a rabbit hole, which I didn't have that option at the time because of the smartphones.

Follow directions absent being interrupted or going down a rabbit hole, which I didn't have that option at the time because of the smartphones.

Follow directions absent being interrupted or going down a rabbit hole, which I didn't have that option at the time because of the smartphones.

You know, it's a, I couldn't go to YouTube and type in, how do you, whatever, become a better rock climber or fill in the blank. You would have somebody who'd come to the line who could just smoke everybody on the line with their pistol. And he would talk about exactly what he did. And it's like, why would I add to that?

You know, it's a, I couldn't go to YouTube and type in, how do you, whatever, become a better rock climber or fill in the blank. You would have somebody who'd come to the line who could just smoke everybody on the line with their pistol. And he would talk about exactly what he did. And it's like, why would I add to that?

You know, it's a, I couldn't go to YouTube and type in, how do you, whatever, become a better rock climber or fill in the blank. You would have somebody who'd come to the line who could just smoke everybody on the line with their pistol. And he would talk about exactly what he did. And it's like, why would I add to that?

If this guy is literally the best in the world, why do I need to add something to that? You say, put your hand like this, every single, like you do that every time. Okay, cool. I'm going to do that every time too. Exactly what they say. Nothing more. But if you can do that, I mean, I don't know if there's a skill that would be out of your achievability range.

If this guy is literally the best in the world, why do I need to add something to that? You say, put your hand like this, every single, like you do that every time. Okay, cool. I'm going to do that every time too. Exactly what they say. Nothing more. But if you can do that, I mean, I don't know if there's a skill that would be out of your achievability range.

If this guy is literally the best in the world, why do I need to add something to that? You say, put your hand like this, every single, like you do that every time. Okay, cool. I'm going to do that every time too. Exactly what they say. Nothing more. But if you can do that, I mean, I don't know if there's a skill that would be out of your achievability range.

I literally have met the people that have made and sharpened these knives for me. This is a family business that is exploding globally. It hasn't changed who they are and what they stand for. Now, they release their knives on Tuesdays and Saturdays. They go very quickly. You can also sign up for their email list or a text. notification because sometimes they do surprise drops.

I literally have met the people that have made and sharpened these knives for me. This is a family business that is exploding globally. It hasn't changed who they are and what they stand for. Now, they release their knives on Tuesdays and Saturdays. They go very quickly. You can also sign up for their email list or a text. notification because sometimes they do surprise drops.

I literally have met the people that have made and sharpened these knives for me. This is a family business that is exploding globally. It hasn't changed who they are and what they stand for. Now, they release their knives on Tuesdays and Saturdays. They go very quickly. You can also sign up for their email list or a text. notification because sometimes they do surprise drops.

If you can grasp onto that, there might be some, you know, some IQ issues depending on like, probably not going to design a rocket to go into space because I don't understand mechanical engineering, but I think I could probably, or most people could learn if you can grasp onto that headspace, I think you can learn at a rate that's a lot faster.

If you can grasp onto that, there might be some, you know, some IQ issues depending on like, probably not going to design a rocket to go into space because I don't understand mechanical engineering, but I think I could probably, or most people could learn if you can grasp onto that headspace, I think you can learn at a rate that's a lot faster.

If you can grasp onto that, there might be some, you know, some IQ issues depending on like, probably not going to design a rocket to go into space because I don't understand mechanical engineering, but I think I could probably, or most people could learn if you can grasp onto that headspace, I think you can learn at a rate that's a lot faster.

Just read the script though.

Just read the script though.

Just read the script though.

Don't add words.

Don't add words.

Don't add words.

Don't take things away either.

Don't take things away either.

Don't take things away either.

The job rewards. Being able to perform. If you look back in buds. Oh, for sure. First phase, probably not so much. It's like be able to do some pull-ups, push-ups, sit-ups, and run your ass off. Yeah. And more flutter kicks. Muscle through. Totally. I mean, that's what first phase is about. Sure. Second phase, though, we're like, oh, we'll give you a whole week to prep for pool comp.

The job rewards. Being able to perform. If you look back in buds. Oh, for sure. First phase, probably not so much. It's like be able to do some pull-ups, push-ups, sit-ups, and run your ass off. Yeah. And more flutter kicks. Muscle through. Totally. I mean, that's what first phase is about. Sure. Second phase, though, we're like, oh, we'll give you a whole week to prep for pool comp.

The job rewards. Being able to perform. If you look back in buds. Oh, for sure. First phase, probably not so much. It's like be able to do some pull-ups, push-ups, sit-ups, and run your ass off. Yeah. And more flutter kicks. Muscle through. Totally. I mean, that's what first phase is about. Sure. Second phase, though, we're like, oh, we'll give you a whole week to prep for pool comp.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But you know what you know really well? The procedures. That's actually what it was all about. So I taught second phase. It was all about the procedures. I had to brief the classes. And I don't know if it was in the curriculum, but I would sit them down after pool comp and just tell them, please don't go recreational diving. You guys are idiots. You don't know anything about diving.

But you know what you know really well? The procedures. That's actually what it was all about. So I taught second phase. It was all about the procedures. I had to brief the classes. And I don't know if it was in the curriculum, but I would sit them down after pool comp and just tell them, please don't go recreational diving. You guys are idiots. You don't know anything about diving.

But you know what you know really well? The procedures. That's actually what it was all about. So I taught second phase. It was all about the procedures. I had to brief the classes. And I don't know if it was in the curriculum, but I would sit them down after pool comp and just tell them, please don't go recreational diving. You guys are idiots. You don't know anything about diving.

That test you just passed might have occurred underwater on open circuit gear, but it had nothing to do with diving. It was all about being able to follow procedure regardless of what's going on around you.

That test you just passed might have occurred underwater on open circuit gear, but it had nothing to do with diving. It was all about being able to follow procedure regardless of what's going on around you.

That test you just passed might have occurred underwater on open circuit gear, but it had nothing to do with diving. It was all about being able to follow procedure regardless of what's going on around you.

Yeah, so you were... Yeah, because I proctored 264, so I had just gotten there. Yeah, you had just gotten there, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, so you were... Yeah, because I proctored 264, so I had just gotten there. Yeah, you had just gotten there, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, so you were... Yeah, because I proctored 264, so I had just gotten there. Yeah, you had just gotten there, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, that's the phase where it was a little slower than watch one, do one, teach one. Yeah, a little bit slower than that, yeah. It took a few classes for the instructors because it's a one-on-one and you have to know the ins and outs of the test. Oh, for sure.

Yeah, that's the phase where it was a little slower than watch one, do one, teach one. Yeah, a little bit slower than that, yeah. It took a few classes for the instructors because it's a one-on-one and you have to know the ins and outs of the test. Oh, for sure.

Yeah, that's the phase where it was a little slower than watch one, do one, teach one. Yeah, a little bit slower than that, yeah. It took a few classes for the instructors because it's a one-on-one and you have to know the ins and outs of the test. Oh, for sure.

And you have to know the gray areas of what you can pass somebody with and what somebody should be failed for from a procedural perspective. And that's pretty heavy, too. At that point, if they fail, and they fail twice, they get remediated.

And you have to know the gray areas of what you can pass somebody with and what somebody should be failed for from a procedural perspective. And that's pretty heavy, too. At that point, if they fail, and they fail twice, they get remediated.

And you have to know the gray areas of what you can pass somebody with and what somebody should be failed for from a procedural perspective. And that's pretty heavy, too. At that point, if they fail, and they fail twice, they get remediated.

and they can pass or take the test again the next day, Thursday, Friday, at least when I was there, they feel that Friday though, one again, twice they're in front of a board and it was, it's heavy to sit there and watch somebody who, you know, has a performance role already on their fourth attempt at pool comp. You feel like they're like they're performing well, they're a good dude.

and they can pass or take the test again the next day, Thursday, Friday, at least when I was there, they feel that Friday though, one again, twice they're in front of a board and it was, it's heavy to sit there and watch somebody who, you know, has a performance role already on their fourth attempt at pool comp. You feel like they're like they're performing well, they're a good dude.

and they can pass or take the test again the next day, Thursday, Friday, at least when I was there, they feel that Friday though, one again, twice they're in front of a board and it was, it's heavy to sit there and watch somebody who, you know, has a performance role already on their fourth attempt at pool comp. You feel like they're like they're performing well, they're a good dude.

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Their knives oftentimes when they do those drops Tuesdays and Saturdays will sell out within minutes. I highly recommend actually purchasing something like a sticker on their website so they have your payment information saved. I have literally had at least a half a dozen knives taken out of my shopping cart because I didn't do exactly that.

And then you watch them start fucking up. It's a tough one.

And then you watch them start fucking up. It's a tough one.

And then you watch them start fucking up. It's a tough one.

Well, you know those dudes at that point, too.

Well, you know those dudes at that point, too.

Well, you know those dudes at that point, too.

Yeah, you're like, okay, this kid has a performance role. You're not going to get two. Yeah. And you're watching him fail pool comp for the fourth time. Yeah.

Yeah, you're like, okay, this kid has a performance role. You're not going to get two. Yeah. And you're watching him fail pool comp for the fourth time. Yeah.

Yeah, you're like, okay, this kid has a performance role. You're not going to get two. Yeah. And you're watching him fail pool comp for the fourth time. Yeah.

The butter bars didn't save him?

The butter bars didn't save him?

The butter bars didn't save him?

Oh, I know.

Oh, I know.

Oh, I know.

I went through a semen apprentice stump. I got to the island and a third phase instructor pulled me aside within weeks of graduating and said, hey, are you part of this class? I was like, fuck yeah. Good job. Yeah. Yeah, there's 0% chance as an O that you're going to be able to do that. 0% chance. For sure.

I went through a semen apprentice stump. I got to the island and a third phase instructor pulled me aside within weeks of graduating and said, hey, are you part of this class? I was like, fuck yeah. Good job. Yeah. Yeah, there's 0% chance as an O that you're going to be able to do that. 0% chance. For sure.

I went through a semen apprentice stump. I got to the island and a third phase instructor pulled me aside within weeks of graduating and said, hey, are you part of this class? I was like, fuck yeah. Good job. Yeah. Yeah, there's 0% chance as an O that you're going to be able to do that. 0% chance. For sure.

Why the O route versus the E route?

Why the O route versus the E route?

Why the O route versus the E route?

Actually, let me ask this. Yeah. Having gone through your career, if you could go back in time, would you still go the O route? Oh, man. These are hard questions.

Actually, let me ask this. Yeah. Having gone through your career, if you could go back in time, would you still go the O route? Oh, man. These are hard questions.

Actually, let me ask this. Yeah. Having gone through your career, if you could go back in time, would you still go the O route? Oh, man. These are hard questions.

I mean, they have, they have like, I heard they shut that down actually, the pre-training pipeline. And I've also heard that it is either going to be started back up or it was started back up. So for people listening, you would go to for the path for most people pre this pre-training program or my path was I enlisted bootcamp at like the fourth week.

I mean, they have, they have like, I heard they shut that down actually, the pre-training pipeline. And I've also heard that it is either going to be started back up or it was started back up. So for people listening, you would go to for the path for most people pre this pre-training program or my path was I enlisted bootcamp at like the fourth week.

I mean, they have, they have like, I heard they shut that down actually, the pre-training pipeline. And I've also heard that it is either going to be started back up or it was started back up. So for people listening, you would go to for the path for most people pre this pre-training program or my path was I enlisted bootcamp at like the fourth week.

They literally put in a VHS tape that was a grainy, like dudes coming out of the water. Like, fuck yeah. Like who wants to take the test to do this, which was a run, swim, pushups, pull-ups, sit-ups. If you pass that, you picked an A school that would allow you to go to Bud's. You went to the A school, then you went to Bud's.

They literally put in a VHS tape that was a grainy, like dudes coming out of the water. Like, fuck yeah. Like who wants to take the test to do this, which was a run, swim, pushups, pull-ups, sit-ups. If you pass that, you picked an A school that would allow you to go to Bud's. You went to the A school, then you went to Bud's.

They literally put in a VHS tape that was a grainy, like dudes coming out of the water. Like, fuck yeah. Like who wants to take the test to do this, which was a run, swim, pushups, pull-ups, sit-ups. If you pass that, you picked an A school that would allow you to go to Bud's. You went to the A school, then you went to Bud's.

Then after I was in, it was, you could sign up with a contract guaranteeing your spot in Bud's. You would go bootcamp. Yeah. I think you would get assigned an A school, but at some point you would detach and then go through, like, this 12-week pre-training program, and then you would go to Bud's. Actually, you know what?

Then after I was in, it was, you could sign up with a contract guaranteeing your spot in Bud's. You would go bootcamp. Yeah. I think you would get assigned an A school, but at some point you would detach and then go through, like, this 12-week pre-training program, and then you would go to Bud's. Actually, you know what?

Then after I was in, it was, you could sign up with a contract guaranteeing your spot in Bud's. You would go bootcamp. Yeah. I think you would get assigned an A school, but at some point you would detach and then go through, like, this 12-week pre-training program, and then you would go to Bud's. Actually, you know what?

I don't even know if you went to an A school because Bud's became an A school.

I don't even know if you went to an A school because Bud's became an A school.

I don't even know if you went to an A school because Bud's became an A school.

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I was putting in my credit card information and they sold out before I could execute the transaction. It's very frustrating. Even though I know Josh, there's nothing that I can do about it. Head over to MontanaKnifeCompany.com. Check out what they have. I have their website in front of me. They have awesome apparel. Their knives, again, are second to none.

I was putting in my credit card information and they sold out before I could execute the transaction. It's very frustrating. Even though I know Josh, there's nothing that I can do about it. Head over to MontanaKnifeCompany.com. Check out what they have. I have their website in front of me. They have awesome apparel. Their knives, again, are second to none.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know what didn't change during all of that stuff?

You know what didn't change during all of that stuff?

You know what didn't change during all of that stuff?

The amount of money they spent trying to figure out, I mean, surveys on people's hobbies. They were doing personality tests on people at a time.

The amount of money they spent trying to figure out, I mean, surveys on people's hobbies. They were doing personality tests on people at a time.

The amount of money they spent trying to figure out, I mean, surveys on people's hobbies. They were doing personality tests on people at a time.

I am not aware of it bumping or lowering the attrition rate by maybe one single percentage point. That program will just spit people out. It's a fucking wood chipper.

I am not aware of it bumping or lowering the attrition rate by maybe one single percentage point. That program will just spit people out. It's a fucking wood chipper.

I am not aware of it bumping or lowering the attrition rate by maybe one single percentage point. That program will just spit people out. It's a fucking wood chipper.

Yeah. What's your fucking O course time. You're out of here.

Yeah. What's your fucking O course time. You're out of here.

Yeah. What's your fucking O course time. You're out of here.

And the results of said compromise of standards. Exactly. The results of the tests are really out there for people to look at if they want to. I don't think you should deviate from the standard. Yeah, for sure. It was one of the things when I went back as an instructor, it was really cool. They did not ever expect us to deviate from the standard.

And the results of said compromise of standards. Exactly. The results of the tests are really out there for people to look at if they want to. I don't think you should deviate from the standard. Yeah, for sure. It was one of the things when I went back as an instructor, it was really cool. They did not ever expect us to deviate from the standard.

And the results of said compromise of standards. Exactly. The results of the tests are really out there for people to look at if they want to. I don't think you should deviate from the standard. Yeah, for sure. It was one of the things when I went back as an instructor, it was really cool. They did not ever expect us to deviate from the standard.

I will say the skipper would show up sometimes on a Friday of pool week if there was a large number of students that had failed twice on Thursday. He would attend on the pool deck. I don't know what he thought that was going to do. I think it made the students way more nervous than the instructors. Because quite frankly, the skipper didn't know what the fuck he was looking at anyway.

I will say the skipper would show up sometimes on a Friday of pool week if there was a large number of students that had failed twice on Thursday. He would attend on the pool deck. I don't know what he thought that was going to do. I think it made the students way more nervous than the instructors. Because quite frankly, the skipper didn't know what the fuck he was looking at anyway.

I will say the skipper would show up sometimes on a Friday of pool week if there was a large number of students that had failed twice on Thursday. He would attend on the pool deck. I don't know what he thought that was going to do. I think it made the students way more nervous than the instructors. Because quite frankly, the skipper didn't know what the fuck he was looking at anyway.

He had gone through pool comp decades before. But yeah, yeah.

He had gone through pool comp decades before. But yeah, yeah.

He had gone through pool comp decades before. But yeah, yeah.

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Yeah. You know, every time when I was growing up, people would tell me that I wasn't going to make it.

Yeah. You know, every time when I was growing up, people would tell me that I wasn't going to make it.

Yeah. You know, every time when I was growing up, people would tell me that I wasn't going to make it.

That helps so much. I tell you what, that's also a different kind of person too, where that negative read. I mean, I have, you have kids, right? Oh, for sure. I have two boys and a girl. Yeah. With my boys, I can fuck with them. If I fuck with my daughter like that, it's like throwing water on a fire. Yeah. My boys, it's logs of motivation. And that's the same way it is for me. Yeah.

That helps so much. I tell you what, that's also a different kind of person too, where that negative read. I mean, I have, you have kids, right? Oh, for sure. I have two boys and a girl. Yeah. With my boys, I can fuck with them. If I fuck with my daughter like that, it's like throwing water on a fire. Yeah. My boys, it's logs of motivation. And that's the same way it is for me. Yeah.

That helps so much. I tell you what, that's also a different kind of person too, where that negative read. I mean, I have, you have kids, right? Oh, for sure. I have two boys and a girl. Yeah. With my boys, I can fuck with them. If I fuck with my daughter like that, it's like throwing water on a fire. Yeah. My boys, it's logs of motivation. And that's the same way it is for me. Yeah.

Somebody's like, Hey, you can't do that. I'm like, really? Let me get some fucking research on. Cause I'm about to blow your hair back. Yeah. And with my daughter and I've made that mistake once early on and I kind of saw her like shrinking. I was like, Oh fuck. Okay. We got to change tact here. Yeah. It's a special kind of person that sees that as motivation.

Somebody's like, Hey, you can't do that. I'm like, really? Let me get some fucking research on. Cause I'm about to blow your hair back. Yeah. And with my daughter and I've made that mistake once early on and I kind of saw her like shrinking. I was like, Oh fuck. Okay. We got to change tact here. Yeah. It's a special kind of person that sees that as motivation.

Somebody's like, Hey, you can't do that. I'm like, really? Let me get some fucking research on. Cause I'm about to blow your hair back. Yeah. And with my daughter and I've made that mistake once early on and I kind of saw her like shrinking. I was like, Oh fuck. Okay. We got to change tact here. Yeah. It's a special kind of person that sees that as motivation.

Resoundingly over the course of my 17 years in 99.9% negative feedback.

Resoundingly over the course of my 17 years in 99.9% negative feedback.

Resoundingly over the course of my 17 years in 99.9% negative feedback.

Anytime I got positive feedback, I remember sitting there like, are you fucking with me?

Anytime I got positive feedback, I remember sitting there like, are you fucking with me?

Anytime I got positive feedback, I remember sitting there like, are you fucking with me?

Like, am I in trouble? Like, you're actually being really nice. What did I do wrong?

Like, am I in trouble? Like, you're actually being really nice. What did I do wrong?

Like, am I in trouble? Like, you're actually being really nice. What did I do wrong?

Have you attempted to give that type of feedback in the civilian world?

Have you attempted to give that type of feedback in the civilian world?

Have you attempted to give that type of feedback in the civilian world?

I was going to say, I have a full Rolodex of examples of what I've tried. It results always the same.

I was going to say, I have a full Rolodex of examples of what I've tried. It results always the same.

I was going to say, I have a full Rolodex of examples of what I've tried. It results always the same.

That one is not a multi-tool. It's not.

That one is not a multi-tool. It's not.

That one is not a multi-tool. It's not.

It's funny to watch. It's one of the things I do a good amount of public speaking. I have for shit well over a decade at this point. I actually caution people against... the SEAL leadership model, leadership culture.

It's funny to watch. It's one of the things I do a good amount of public speaking. I have for shit well over a decade at this point. I actually caution people against... the SEAL leadership model, leadership culture.

It's funny to watch. It's one of the things I do a good amount of public speaking. I have for shit well over a decade at this point. I actually caution people against... the SEAL leadership model, leadership culture.

Because if you don't have the same type of people who went through the same type of course, that had the same type of buy-in, you are going to be just throwing people out into space like an atom coming apart. The electrons are just flying off.

Because if you don't have the same type of people who went through the same type of course, that had the same type of buy-in, you are going to be just throwing people out into space like an atom coming apart. The electrons are just flying off.

Because if you don't have the same type of people who went through the same type of course, that had the same type of buy-in, you are going to be just throwing people out into space like an atom coming apart. The electrons are just flying off.

It can't be replicated.

It can't be replicated.

It can't be replicated.

And I think one skill is- I don't tell people it's bad. I just define the very narrow bandwidth that it can work in. Right. And I ask them the question, like, if your organization is tooled like this, this might be good for you. But if your organization is anything other than this, you better be really sparing. I've watched so many guys. Again, I'm not joking.

And I think one skill is- I don't tell people it's bad. I just define the very narrow bandwidth that it can work in. Right. And I ask them the question, like, if your organization is tooled like this, this might be good for you. But if your organization is anything other than this, you better be really sparing. I've watched so many guys. Again, I'm not joking.

And I think one skill is- I don't tell people it's bad. I just define the very narrow bandwidth that it can work in. Right. And I ask them the question, like, if your organization is tooled like this, this might be good for you. But if your organization is anything other than this, you better be really sparing. I've watched so many guys. Again, I'm not joking.

The number of times I have fucked up and used the feedback model that- we were just a part of and seen it fail. I watched guys get out of the military and I think it's why actually a lot of team guys will be like individual entrepreneurs or start their own business with just themselves because it's so ingrained. And if you can't get it back and check, it is just not accepted in the civilian world.

The number of times I have fucked up and used the feedback model that- we were just a part of and seen it fail. I watched guys get out of the military and I think it's why actually a lot of team guys will be like individual entrepreneurs or start their own business with just themselves because it's so ingrained. And if you can't get it back and check, it is just not accepted in the civilian world.

The number of times I have fucked up and used the feedback model that- we were just a part of and seen it fail. I watched guys get out of the military and I think it's why actually a lot of team guys will be like individual entrepreneurs or start their own business with just themselves because it's so ingrained. And if you can't get it back and check, it is just not accepted in the civilian world.

It's entertaining as fuck, but it's not accepted.

It's entertaining as fuck, but it's not accepted.

It's entertaining as fuck, but it's not accepted.

It's interesting to see, and I think this is coming to an end a little bit, but For years, people viewed the special operations community, specifically the SEAL community, as if it was a nucleus of only the best leadership in the world. And you would watch people get hired for or approached for a role that, quite frankly, was outside of their capability.

It's interesting to see, and I think this is coming to an end a little bit, but For years, people viewed the special operations community, specifically the SEAL community, as if it was a nucleus of only the best leadership in the world. And you would watch people get hired for or approached for a role that, quite frankly, was outside of their capability.

It's interesting to see, and I think this is coming to an end a little bit, but For years, people viewed the special operations community, specifically the SEAL community, as if it was a nucleus of only the best leadership in the world. And you would watch people get hired for or approached for a role that, quite frankly, was outside of their capability.

Never been to Montana. Heading back to Nashville after this where everybody in the United States is currently moving. That's right. So you were born and raised near the area where you live?

Never been to Montana. Heading back to Nashville after this where everybody in the United States is currently moving. That's right. So you were born and raised near the area where you live?

Never been to Montana. Heading back to Nashville after this where everybody in the United States is currently moving. That's right. So you were born and raised near the area where you live?

They might have been enthusiastic about it, but their enthusiasm outstripped their capability. And I've had this conversation so many times with people because, and I'm sure this is the case for you in your career. You probably worked with good leaders and bad, right? For sure. But did you ever have mission failure?

They might have been enthusiastic about it, but their enthusiasm outstripped their capability. And I've had this conversation so many times with people because, and I'm sure this is the case for you in your career. You probably worked with good leaders and bad, right? For sure. But did you ever have mission failure?

They might have been enthusiastic about it, but their enthusiasm outstripped their capability. And I've had this conversation so many times with people because, and I'm sure this is the case for you in your career. You probably worked with good leaders and bad, right? For sure. But did you ever have mission failure?

And that's the thing. So people look at the community and they say, well, you guys just keep succeeding and succeeding and succeeding. You must have the best leaders in the world. What they'll never know is that a platoon or a troop or whatever it is, sometimes they're succeeding in spite of the leader, not because of the leader.

And that's the thing. So people look at the community and they say, well, you guys just keep succeeding and succeeding and succeeding. You must have the best leaders in the world. What they'll never know is that a platoon or a troop or whatever it is, sometimes they're succeeding in spite of the leader, not because of the leader.

And that's the thing. So people look at the community and they say, well, you guys just keep succeeding and succeeding and succeeding. You must have the best leaders in the world. What they'll never know is that a platoon or a troop or whatever it is, sometimes they're succeeding in spite of the leader, not because of the leader.

But that's invisible to anybody else. Like we all put it on our dress whites. Everybody would say that's a great picture. But let's say you're at a team on the West Coast. You'd be like, that guy fucking sucks. But he wears the same uniform and they look the same and they have the same title.

But that's invisible to anybody else. Like we all put it on our dress whites. Everybody would say that's a great picture. But let's say you're at a team on the West Coast. You'd be like, that guy fucking sucks. But he wears the same uniform and they look the same and they have the same title.

But that's invisible to anybody else. Like we all put it on our dress whites. Everybody would say that's a great picture. But let's say you're at a team on the West Coast. You'd be like, that guy fucking sucks. But he wears the same uniform and they look the same and they have the same title.

And if we go out in the field, two people might be doing the job of that guy and you're going to have mission success. And if that guy is the leader, they're going to say that spectacularly the best leader in the world. Like, no, it actually the SEAL community actually masks really poor leadership. Because the guys always pull through. They always pull through.

And if we go out in the field, two people might be doing the job of that guy and you're going to have mission success. And if that guy is the leader, they're going to say that spectacularly the best leader in the world. Like, no, it actually the SEAL community actually masks really poor leadership. Because the guys always pull through. They always pull through.

And if we go out in the field, two people might be doing the job of that guy and you're going to have mission success. And if that guy is the leader, they're going to say that spectacularly the best leader in the world. Like, no, it actually the SEAL community actually masks really poor leadership. Because the guys always pull through. They always pull through.

Well, it's, I mean, then that guy gets out of the military to say the poor leader goes into a sector and just proper fucks it for everybody else. I've watched doors close behind because they have such a bad taste in their mouth. And they say, probably rightfully so, not again. We're going to turn the faucet off there.

Well, it's, I mean, then that guy gets out of the military to say the poor leader goes into a sector and just proper fucks it for everybody else. I've watched doors close behind because they have such a bad taste in their mouth. And they say, probably rightfully so, not again. We're going to turn the faucet off there.

Well, it's, I mean, then that guy gets out of the military to say the poor leader goes into a sector and just proper fucks it for everybody else. I've watched doors close behind because they have such a bad taste in their mouth. And they say, probably rightfully so, not again. We're going to turn the faucet off there.

So it's, yeah, it's interesting looking back at it now. Some of the best leaders that I ever worked with and also the worst. Yeah. And nobody would ever know the difference.

So it's, yeah, it's interesting looking back at it now. Some of the best leaders that I ever worked with and also the worst. Yeah. And nobody would ever know the difference.

So it's, yeah, it's interesting looking back at it now. Some of the best leaders that I ever worked with and also the worst. Yeah. And nobody would ever know the difference.

How big was Nashville before you left it?

How big was Nashville before you left it?

How big was Nashville before you left it?

But how do you explain to the outside world that both good and bad exists.

But how do you explain to the outside world that both good and bad exists.

But how do you explain to the outside world that both good and bad exists.

It's been a struggle.

It's been a struggle.

It's been a struggle.

So that's the kind of the officer and a gentleman course? It is. Equivalent?

So that's the kind of the officer and a gentleman course? It is. Equivalent?

So that's the kind of the officer and a gentleman course? It is. Equivalent?

Straight out to Bud's?

Straight out to Bud's?

Straight out to Bud's?

All right.

All right.

All right.

That's not bad.

That's not bad.

That's not bad.

Yeah. Cause I'm in eight weeks in bootcamp, another eight weeks at a school. Of course, this transition time, you got to wait for your school to start. Yeah. That's not a bad way to go, but now looking back, yeah. What would you have done knowing your career?

Yeah. Cause I'm in eight weeks in bootcamp, another eight weeks at a school. Of course, this transition time, you got to wait for your school to start. Yeah. That's not a bad way to go, but now looking back, yeah. What would you have done knowing your career?

Yeah. Cause I'm in eight weeks in bootcamp, another eight weeks at a school. Of course, this transition time, you got to wait for your school to start. Yeah. That's not a bad way to go, but now looking back, yeah. What would you have done knowing your career?

But you probably had the Country Music Hall of Fame, though, right?

But you probably had the Country Music Hall of Fame, though, right?

But you probably had the Country Music Hall of Fame, though, right?

Well, officers are on this 24-month clock, though.

Well, officers are on this 24-month clock, though.

Well, officers are on this 24-month clock, though.

Enlisted guys can just tick in if they want to.

Enlisted guys can just tick in if they want to.

Enlisted guys can just tick in if they want to.

Go E for a decade, and then you still got your degrees.

Go E for a decade, and then you still got your degrees.

Go E for a decade, and then you still got your degrees.

Yeah. You could have easily, you could have made, you know, get to E6, maybe looking at the chief rep. Like, I don't think so. Lateral over, slap some butter bars on, you're good to go.

Yeah. You could have easily, you could have made, you know, get to E6, maybe looking at the chief rep. Like, I don't think so. Lateral over, slap some butter bars on, you're good to go.

Yeah. You could have easily, you could have made, you know, get to E6, maybe looking at the chief rep. Like, I don't think so. Lateral over, slap some butter bars on, you're good to go.

It is a different career trajectory. I watched officers come and go. 24 months is literally what it seems like. Yeah. You know, for an enlisted guy at a team, you're probably going to do five years minimum. And then over on the East Coast, damn, those guys have been there over a decade. And the O's can kind of bounce in and out, but they're not staying consistently.

It is a different career trajectory. I watched officers come and go. 24 months is literally what it seems like. Yeah. You know, for an enlisted guy at a team, you're probably going to do five years minimum. And then over on the East Coast, damn, those guys have been there over a decade. And the O's can kind of bounce in and out, but they're not staying consistently.

It is a different career trajectory. I watched officers come and go. 24 months is literally what it seems like. Yeah. You know, for an enlisted guy at a team, you're probably going to do five years minimum. And then over on the East Coast, damn, those guys have been there over a decade. And the O's can kind of bounce in and out, but they're not staying consistently.

My first pre-911 platoon, the LPO, which is leading petty officer, right underneath, the head chef would be the OIC officer in charge, AOIC, the chief, and then the LPO. So the LPO finishes his tour and probably is going to pick up chief. This dude was on his 10th deployment as an E6. He had gotten in some probably along the way. So a little bit of up and down the ladder of enlisted ranks.

My first pre-911 platoon, the LPO, which is leading petty officer, right underneath, the head chef would be the OIC officer in charge, AOIC, the chief, and then the LPO. So the LPO finishes his tour and probably is going to pick up chief. This dude was on his 10th deployment as an E6. He had gotten in some probably along the way. So a little bit of up and down the ladder of enlisted ranks.

My first pre-911 platoon, the LPO, which is leading petty officer, right underneath, the head chef would be the OIC officer in charge, AOIC, the chief, and then the LPO. So the LPO finishes his tour and probably is going to pick up chief. This dude was on his 10th deployment as an E6. He had gotten in some probably along the way. So a little bit of up and down the ladder of enlisted ranks.

That's a lot. Yeah.

That's a lot. Yeah.

That's a lot. Yeah.

Oh, for sure it is. Impossible.

Oh, for sure it is. Impossible.

Oh, for sure it is. Impossible.

Yeah. I didn't need to look anything up because I would just go ask him.

Yeah. I didn't need to look anything up because I would just go ask him.

Yeah. I didn't need to look anything up because I would just go ask him.

Yeah. I mean, just a fucking Rolodex of information. Like, oh, yeah, I've done this training exercise 15 times. This is what you guys can expect.

Yeah. I mean, just a fucking Rolodex of information. Like, oh, yeah, I've done this training exercise 15 times. This is what you guys can expect.

Yeah. I mean, just a fucking Rolodex of information. Like, oh, yeah, I've done this training exercise 15 times. This is what you guys can expect.

Yeah. 10th. Yeah. Still to this day. I'm like 10th, 10th deployment. Okay.

Yeah. 10th. Yeah. Still to this day. I'm like 10th, 10th deployment. Okay.

Yeah. 10th. Yeah. Still to this day. I'm like 10th, 10th deployment. Okay.

How was Bud's as an O?

How was Bud's as an O?

How was Bud's as an O?

No, it does not. Yeah. I used to enjoy seeing students in that cycle and then I would try to just really help them and assist them deeper. Yes. It's shocking to me the number of people, it's, oh, somebody, you know, they made me quit. I'm like, I want you to sit with that for a second and let's really determine how who made the decision to quit.

No, it does not. Yeah. I used to enjoy seeing students in that cycle and then I would try to just really help them and assist them deeper. Yes. It's shocking to me the number of people, it's, oh, somebody, you know, they made me quit. I'm like, I want you to sit with that for a second and let's really determine how who made the decision to quit.

No, it does not. Yeah. I used to enjoy seeing students in that cycle and then I would try to just really help them and assist them deeper. Yes. It's shocking to me the number of people, it's, oh, somebody, you know, they made me quit. I'm like, I want you to sit with that for a second and let's really determine how who made the decision to quit.

Because I've never seen an instructor grab a student's hand and put it on the bell.

Because I've never seen an instructor grab a student's hand and put it on the bell.

Because I've never seen an instructor grab a student's hand and put it on the bell.

Probably because we're not allowed to. But, you know. For sure. Nobody makes you quit. No. You make the choice. Somebody can drive you to a place where you make that decision. But that's a tough conversation to have with people. Yeah. Because they'll get into those spirals. And it's amazing to see there's this minigun of excuses just. Yeah.

Probably because we're not allowed to. But, you know. For sure. Nobody makes you quit. No. You make the choice. Somebody can drive you to a place where you make that decision. But that's a tough conversation to have with people. Yeah. Because they'll get into those spirals. And it's amazing to see there's this minigun of excuses just. Yeah.

Probably because we're not allowed to. But, you know. For sure. Nobody makes you quit. No. You make the choice. Somebody can drive you to a place where you make that decision. But that's a tough conversation to have with people. Yeah. Because they'll get into those spirals. And it's amazing to see there's this minigun of excuses just. Yeah.

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And it all terminates in ringing the bell three times and somebody else's fault. It's like, that's unfortunately not how it works.

And it all terminates in ringing the bell three times and somebody else's fault. It's like, that's unfortunately not how it works.

And it all terminates in ringing the bell three times and somebody else's fault. It's like, that's unfortunately not how it works.

Sometimes you got to let the students work it out. Yeah. Like on a hell week shift, maybe just let them go do a little bit of a paddle and they do an oar fight first, you know, and somebody comes in a little battered and bruised and heads towards the bell. There's things you can do as an instructor and there's things you can hand back over to the class.

Sometimes you got to let the students work it out. Yeah. Like on a hell week shift, maybe just let them go do a little bit of a paddle and they do an oar fight first, you know, and somebody comes in a little battered and bruised and heads towards the bell. There's things you can do as an instructor and there's things you can hand back over to the class.

Sometimes you got to let the students work it out. Yeah. Like on a hell week shift, maybe just let them go do a little bit of a paddle and they do an oar fight first, you know, and somebody comes in a little battered and bruised and heads towards the bell. There's things you can do as an instructor and there's things you can hand back over to the class.

I mean, we, we would do that in our boat crew, like sitting into the side as an instructor and watching the class, uh, Because as an instructor, you'd see, especially in Hell Week, because Hell Week is about five days long. It's a 24-hour evolution. And so all of the phases have to augment, because there's just not enough first phase staff. So I didn't know any of the fucking students, right?

I mean, we, we would do that in our boat crew, like sitting into the side as an instructor and watching the class, uh, Because as an instructor, you'd see, especially in Hell Week, because Hell Week is about five days long. It's a 24-hour evolution. And so all of the phases have to augment, because there's just not enough first phase staff. So I didn't know any of the fucking students, right?

I mean, we, we would do that in our boat crew, like sitting into the side as an instructor and watching the class, uh, Because as an instructor, you'd see, especially in Hell Week, because Hell Week is about five days long. It's a 24-hour evolution. And so all of the phases have to augment, because there's just not enough first phase staff. So I didn't know any of the fucking students, right?

It's hundreds of kids, largely. So there's no way for me to identify who is really a top performer versus who the class doesn't like. But if you were to sit back and watch, you could find these little nucleus of boat crews doing

It's hundreds of kids, largely. So there's no way for me to identify who is really a top performer versus who the class doesn't like. But if you were to sit back and watch, you could find these little nucleus of boat crews doing

It's hundreds of kids, largely. So there's no way for me to identify who is really a top performer versus who the class doesn't like. But if you were to sit back and watch, you could find these little nucleus of boat crews doing

the job that needed to be done for the instructor staff and the curriculum, the number of students that I watched quit because they were under a boat and they are running and everybody in their boat crews like, fuck you, Bob, like you need to quit your, and I've watched boat crews push people, push people out from under the boat.

the job that needed to be done for the instructor staff and the curriculum, the number of students that I watched quit because they were under a boat and they are running and everybody in their boat crews like, fuck you, Bob, like you need to quit your, and I've watched boat crews push people, push people out from under the boat.

the job that needed to be done for the instructor staff and the curriculum, the number of students that I watched quit because they were under a boat and they are running and everybody in their boat crews like, fuck you, Bob, like you need to quit your, and I've watched boat crews push people, push people out from under the boat.

And then the dude's just like, they start like really enthusiastically chasing the boat and then they slow down and then they walk. And then the truck pulls up with the bell.

And then the dude's just like, they start like really enthusiastically chasing the boat and then they slow down and then they walk. And then the truck pulls up with the bell.

And then the dude's just like, they start like really enthusiastically chasing the boat and then they slow down and then they walk. And then the truck pulls up with the bell.

I know some of these names, but I'm going to be honest, I am not a huge fan of professional sports. I'm aware they exist. Yeah. I would struggle. If somebody put a million dollars on the table right now, I would struggle to name five names of professional football players.

I know some of these names, but I'm going to be honest, I am not a huge fan of professional sports. I'm aware they exist. Yeah. I would struggle. If somebody put a million dollars on the table right now, I would struggle to name five names of professional football players.

I know some of these names, but I'm going to be honest, I am not a huge fan of professional sports. I'm aware they exist. Yeah. I would struggle. If somebody put a million dollars on the table right now, I would struggle to name five names of professional football players.

It's not the tour you guys think it is. It's not postcards. It's... Like you said, the middle of the fucking night.

It's not the tour you guys think it is. It's not postcards. It's... Like you said, the middle of the fucking night.

It's not the tour you guys think it is. It's not postcards. It's... Like you said, the middle of the fucking night.

Oh, totally. It is what they call it though.

Oh, totally. It is what they call it though.

Oh, totally. It is what they call it though.

So yeah, it was wild to see the, uh, the students, uh, self-selecting. And a lot of the times, another really interesting facet of being an instructor is you spend a lot of time with people who quit. Because as a student, I mean, my class, we had 181st day, 18 originals graduated. I have no idea where they went. Because you're running to breakfast, and you're talking to Bob.

So yeah, it was wild to see the, uh, the students, uh, self-selecting. And a lot of the times, another really interesting facet of being an instructor is you spend a lot of time with people who quit. Because as a student, I mean, my class, we had 181st day, 18 originals graduated. I have no idea where they went. Because you're running to breakfast, and you're talking to Bob.

So yeah, it was wild to see the, uh, the students, uh, self-selecting. And a lot of the times, another really interesting facet of being an instructor is you spend a lot of time with people who quit. Because as a student, I mean, my class, we had 181st day, 18 originals graduated. I have no idea where they went. Because you're running to breakfast, and you're talking to Bob.

And at lunch, Bob's not there. And I don't give a shit.

And at lunch, Bob's not there. And I don't give a shit.

And at lunch, Bob's not there. And I don't give a shit.

Because I'm on my journey, and Bob is now on his journey.

Because I'm on my journey, and Bob is now on his journey.

Because I'm on my journey, and Bob is now on his journey.

Well, as an instructor, you get to sit there, and you get to talk with them. And they're in a pretty emotionally compromised state. And I was always very kind, because I was more curious about why. Yeah.

Well, as an instructor, you get to sit there, and you get to talk with them. And they're in a pretty emotionally compromised state. And I was always very kind, because I was more curious about why. Yeah.

Well, as an instructor, you get to sit there, and you get to talk with them. And they're in a pretty emotionally compromised state. And I was always very kind, because I was more curious about why. Yeah.

You don't need to. They already feel bad enough. But they're in a place where they were really open and honest about why they made the decision that they did. And it was fascinating case study and why people give up on, because most students would tell you, this is, this is my lifelong goal. This is what I want more than anything in life.

You don't need to. They already feel bad enough. But they're in a place where they were really open and honest about why they made the decision that they did. And it was fascinating case study and why people give up on, because most students would tell you, this is, this is my lifelong goal. This is what I want more than anything in life.

You don't need to. They already feel bad enough. But they're in a place where they were really open and honest about why they made the decision that they did. And it was fascinating case study and why people give up on, because most students would tell you, this is, this is my lifelong goal. This is what I want more than anything in life.

If you canvass the class, like, Hey, by a show of hands, how many people are going to be here on graduation day? Every fucking hand goes up. Sure. Every single one. And where'd y'all go? You know, where'd y'all go? But to see the students kind of being even an additional pressure vice on top of the curriculum itself is, weeding out what is invisible.

If you canvass the class, like, Hey, by a show of hands, how many people are going to be here on graduation day? Every fucking hand goes up. Sure. Every single one. And where'd y'all go? You know, where'd y'all go? But to see the students kind of being even an additional pressure vice on top of the curriculum itself is, weeding out what is invisible.

If you canvass the class, like, Hey, by a show of hands, how many people are going to be here on graduation day? Every fucking hand goes up. Sure. Every single one. And where'd y'all go? You know, where'd y'all go? But to see the students kind of being even an additional pressure vice on top of the curriculum itself is, weeding out what is invisible.

Because as the instructor staff, we see too many students to have the inner dynamics of what's going on. And then I would talk with some of the students about, if I saw a boat crew do that, spit a guy out, I would often try to get some time with members of that boat crew to understand why. They were shockingly unwilling to give me information most times. Yeah.

Because as the instructor staff, we see too many students to have the inner dynamics of what's going on. And then I would talk with some of the students about, if I saw a boat crew do that, spit a guy out, I would often try to get some time with members of that boat crew to understand why. They were shockingly unwilling to give me information most times. Yeah.

Because as the instructor staff, we see too many students to have the inner dynamics of what's going on. And then I would talk with some of the students about, if I saw a boat crew do that, spit a guy out, I would often try to get some time with members of that boat crew to understand why. They were shockingly unwilling to give me information most times. Yeah.

Yes. Well, they thought I was going to use it against them, which for clarity, 100% was probably going to. Yeah. And I also wasn't a student too, so I totally got it. Yeah. But it was fascinating- A lot of the times, it wasn't even necessarily performance-driven. They just hated the person. It was personality-based.

Yes. Well, they thought I was going to use it against them, which for clarity, 100% was probably going to. Yeah. And I also wasn't a student too, so I totally got it. Yeah. But it was fascinating- A lot of the times, it wasn't even necessarily performance-driven. They just hated the person. It was personality-based.

Yes. Well, they thought I was going to use it against them, which for clarity, 100% was probably going to. Yeah. And I also wasn't a student too, so I totally got it. Yeah. But it was fascinating- A lot of the times, it wasn't even necessarily performance-driven. They just hated the person. It was personality-based.

And the personality conflicts were occurring in times where the instructors weren't around, like the weekends, when somebody was a shitbag away from the instructors. Because people think that Bud's is 182 days and it's 24-7. It's completely not. Hell Week is five days of pretty consistent kicking the dick. But you get your weekends off, other than on the island in San Clemente.

And the personality conflicts were occurring in times where the instructors weren't around, like the weekends, when somebody was a shitbag away from the instructors. Because people think that Bud's is 182 days and it's 24-7. It's completely not. Hell Week is five days of pretty consistent kicking the dick. But you get your weekends off, other than on the island in San Clemente.

And the personality conflicts were occurring in times where the instructors weren't around, like the weekends, when somebody was a shitbag away from the instructors. Because people think that Bud's is 182 days and it's 24-7. It's completely not. Hell Week is five days of pretty consistent kicking the dick. But you get your weekends off, other than on the island in San Clemente.

But even then, you can kind of see the light at the end of the tunnel. So if I could get the boat cruise to open up a little bit, it was fascinating to hear why that person was the one that they ejected out. And it almost never had anything to do with physical performance.

But even then, you can kind of see the light at the end of the tunnel. So if I could get the boat cruise to open up a little bit, it was fascinating to hear why that person was the one that they ejected out. And it almost never had anything to do with physical performance.

But even then, you can kind of see the light at the end of the tunnel. So if I could get the boat cruise to open up a little bit, it was fascinating to hear why that person was the one that they ejected out. And it almost never had anything to do with physical performance.

It was a violation of trust more than anything, which was wild to see it physically expressed that way.

It was a violation of trust more than anything, which was wild to see it physically expressed that way.

It was a violation of trust more than anything, which was wild to see it physically expressed that way.

Another misconception people don't realize. Yeah. I think it's a one and done.

Another misconception people don't realize. Yeah. I think it's a one and done.

Another misconception people don't realize. Yeah. I think it's a one and done.

And that's definitely not the case.

And that's definitely not the case.

And that's definitely not the case.

What you just described is so eerily similar to what happened in my class too. So he was not a hell week rollback, but he made it to... Tuesday midday-ish. Yeah. I don't think I'm giving away any inside baseball. If you can make it to Wednesday, Thursday, they might roll you forward.

What you just described is so eerily similar to what happened in my class too. So he was not a hell week rollback, but he made it to... Tuesday midday-ish. Yeah. I don't think I'm giving away any inside baseball. If you can make it to Wednesday, Thursday, they might roll you forward.

What you just described is so eerily similar to what happened in my class too. So he was not a hell week rollback, but he made it to... Tuesday midday-ish. Yeah. I don't think I'm giving away any inside baseball. If you can make it to Wednesday, Thursday, they might roll you forward.

It is not uncommon to have a medical injury and be rolled forward into Hell Week, meaning you'll get your brown shirt designating you've been through Hell Week. But for a class of people that hasn't gone into Hell Week at all and we don't know what to expect... this dude was the burning bush, right? Everything. This is what's gonna happen. This is how you should mentally approach it.

It is not uncommon to have a medical injury and be rolled forward into Hell Week, meaning you'll get your brown shirt designating you've been through Hell Week. But for a class of people that hasn't gone into Hell Week at all and we don't know what to expect... this dude was the burning bush, right? Everything. This is what's gonna happen. This is how you should mentally approach it.

It is not uncommon to have a medical injury and be rolled forward into Hell Week, meaning you'll get your brown shirt designating you've been through Hell Week. But for a class of people that hasn't gone into Hell Week at all and we don't know what to expect... this dude was the burning bush, right? Everything. This is what's gonna happen. This is how you should mentally approach it.

This is what you should prepare for. We, my class, and I don't know if this happened because it was just scheduled to happen or that they absolutely hated us. Cause they fucking hated my class.

This is what you should prepare for. We, my class, and I don't know if this happened because it was just scheduled to happen or that they absolutely hated us. Cause they fucking hated my class.

This is what you should prepare for. We, my class, and I don't know if this happened because it was just scheduled to happen or that they absolutely hated us. Cause they fucking hated my class.

We did not get a breakout for hell week. They put us out in the tents on the beach. And, uh, you know, we did the, we were watching pizza or watching a movie, ate pizza, whatever on the Sunday. And we go out there and, you know, you're ready for the M 60 fire and the smoke grenades.

We did not get a breakout for hell week. They put us out in the tents on the beach. And, uh, you know, we did the, we were watching pizza or watching a movie, ate pizza, whatever on the Sunday. And we go out there and, you know, you're ready for the M 60 fire and the smoke grenades.

We did not get a breakout for hell week. They put us out in the tents on the beach. And, uh, you know, we did the, we were watching pizza or watching a movie, ate pizza, whatever on the Sunday. And we go out there and, you know, you're ready for the M 60 fire and the smoke grenades.

And you just hear, hit the surf. And I was in like the northernmost tent. And they were down more by the southern one. So we watched. We were like peering through the tent.

And you just hear, hit the surf. And I was in like the northernmost tent. And they were down more by the southern one. So we watched. We were like peering through the tent.

And you just hear, hit the surf. And I was in like the northernmost tent. And they were down more by the southern one. So we watched. We were like peering through the tent.

But yeah, so we nursed another 20, 30 seconds.

But yeah, so we nursed another 20, 30 seconds.

But yeah, so we nursed another 20, 30 seconds.

So we opened Hell Week with a good... probably two hour surf torture evolution. It's a surf immersion is what they call it.

So we opened Hell Week with a good... probably two hour surf torture evolution. It's a surf immersion is what they call it.

So we opened Hell Week with a good... probably two hour surf torture evolution. It's a surf immersion is what they call it.

Yeah. And this particular individual, I'm going to say, and this is again, through decades of looking back, I'm going to say within the first two hours he ejected. Wow. And the number of people that followed him because of the, I'm making a guess here a little bit, but because of how they viewed him and what they thought he was capable of.

Yeah. And this particular individual, I'm going to say, and this is again, through decades of looking back, I'm going to say within the first two hours he ejected. Wow. And the number of people that followed him because of the, I'm making a guess here a little bit, but because of how they viewed him and what they thought he was capable of.

Yeah. And this particular individual, I'm going to say, and this is again, through decades of looking back, I'm going to say within the first two hours he ejected. Wow. And the number of people that followed him because of the, I'm making a guess here a little bit, but because of how they viewed him and what they thought he was capable of.

If this dude's throwing the talent now, what chance do I have? Yeah. Be careful. Be careful. The stories you tell yourself. Yeah. I think it actually, it nerded the instructors out a little bit. I mean, there was a symphony of fucking bells going on. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Like, you know, we were playing jingle bells out there. Wow. And, uh, It was wild.

If this dude's throwing the talent now, what chance do I have? Yeah. Be careful. Be careful. The stories you tell yourself. Yeah. I think it actually, it nerded the instructors out a little bit. I mean, there was a symphony of fucking bells going on. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Like, you know, we were playing jingle bells out there. Wow. And, uh, It was wild.

If this dude's throwing the talent now, what chance do I have? Yeah. Be careful. Be careful. The stories you tell yourself. Yeah. I think it actually, it nerded the instructors out a little bit. I mean, there was a symphony of fucking bells going on. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Like, you know, we were playing jingle bells out there. Wow. And, uh, It was wild.

That one person, the burning bush was the first dude to go.

That one person, the burning bush was the first dude to go.

That one person, the burning bush was the first dude to go.

It's a lot.

It's a lot.

It's a lot.

It's fun. Yeah. I like coming back here.

It's fun. Yeah. I like coming back here.

It's fun. Yeah. I like coming back here.

I support it. I'm here for it. Here's the thing. I'd rather have it. You think you're in a bad place after Hell Week? Fucking stand by. Yeah. Because it gets a whole lot worse for you. You know what I mean? Yeah. I didn't believe the instructors when they said you're going to be colder after buds or more tired. I'm sitting there looking at them. I said nothing. I just was like, yeah, right.

I support it. I'm here for it. Here's the thing. I'd rather have it. You think you're in a bad place after Hell Week? Fucking stand by. Yeah. Because it gets a whole lot worse for you. You know what I mean? Yeah. I didn't believe the instructors when they said you're going to be colder after buds or more tired. I'm sitting there looking at them. I said nothing. I just was like, yeah, right.

I support it. I'm here for it. Here's the thing. I'd rather have it. You think you're in a bad place after Hell Week? Fucking stand by. Yeah. Because it gets a whole lot worse for you. You know what I mean? Yeah. I didn't believe the instructors when they said you're going to be colder after buds or more tired. I'm sitting there looking at them. I said nothing. I just was like, yeah, right.

And then it was way colder after training and way more tired.

And then it was way colder after training and way more tired.

And then it was way colder after training and way more tired.

Well, in the summer, when you get the temperature swing, and if you're busting your ass during the day, and then all of a sudden the temperature goes off a cliff, and sometimes you pack warmies, sometimes you don't because you think you're going to be back in a day. Right. And you're not because the weather rolls in. And then you're real cold. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, in the summer, when you get the temperature swing, and if you're busting your ass during the day, and then all of a sudden the temperature goes off a cliff, and sometimes you pack warmies, sometimes you don't because you think you're going to be back in a day. Right. And you're not because the weather rolls in. And then you're real cold. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, in the summer, when you get the temperature swing, and if you're busting your ass during the day, and then all of a sudden the temperature goes off a cliff, and sometimes you pack warmies, sometimes you don't because you think you're going to be back in a day. Right. And you're not because the weather rolls in. And then you're real cold. Yeah. Yeah.

Probably wasn't as cold, to be honest, as the immersion in the ocean, you know, in San Diego. But it felt like it for sure. Yeah. Deserts, man, they'll crush you. They can have 100 degree temperature swings.

Probably wasn't as cold, to be honest, as the immersion in the ocean, you know, in San Diego. But it felt like it for sure. Yeah. Deserts, man, they'll crush you. They can have 100 degree temperature swings.

Probably wasn't as cold, to be honest, as the immersion in the ocean, you know, in San Diego. But it felt like it for sure. Yeah. Deserts, man, they'll crush you. They can have 100 degree temperature swings.

Yeah. I mean, honestly, like probably Kodiak was probably the coldest afterwards doing the bullshit like. let's do an OTB in our dry suits because it's 1999 and like, fuck it. This is what everybody did before us. So I was beaten as a child. So I have to beat you since you're my child.

Yeah. I mean, honestly, like probably Kodiak was probably the coldest afterwards doing the bullshit like. let's do an OTB in our dry suits because it's 1999 and like, fuck it. This is what everybody did before us. So I was beaten as a child. So I have to beat you since you're my child.

Yeah. I mean, honestly, like probably Kodiak was probably the coldest afterwards doing the bullshit like. let's do an OTB in our dry suits because it's 1999 and like, fuck it. This is what everybody did before us. So I was beaten as a child. So I have to beat you since you're my child.

Since we're over the beach for people listening. Yeah.

Since we're over the beach for people listening. Yeah.

Since we're over the beach for people listening. Yeah.

You could hunt elk in Tennessee. Really? I don't know if you have a mathematical chance of getting a tag.

You could hunt elk in Tennessee. Really? I don't know if you have a mathematical chance of getting a tag.

You could hunt elk in Tennessee. Really? I don't know if you have a mathematical chance of getting a tag.

Looking back through SQT and BUDS, what do you think the most important... Actually, let's just go on BUDS. What do you think is the most important lesson you took from that as a person? Or is there one to be gained from there? Or is it just a wood chipper?

Looking back through SQT and BUDS, what do you think the most important... Actually, let's just go on BUDS. What do you think is the most important lesson you took from that as a person? Or is there one to be gained from there? Or is it just a wood chipper?

Looking back through SQT and BUDS, what do you think the most important... Actually, let's just go on BUDS. What do you think is the most important lesson you took from that as a person? Or is there one to be gained from there? Or is it just a wood chipper?

But there's elk there.

But there's elk there.

But there's elk there.

Like in the mountains? Yeah.

Like in the mountains? Yeah.

Like in the mountains? Yeah.

I didn't know that until a few months ago and somebody told me. So I'm just sharing my shock with you.

I didn't know that until a few months ago and somebody told me. So I'm just sharing my shock with you.

I didn't know that until a few months ago and somebody told me. So I'm just sharing my shock with you.

That's some good info. Good intel. Man. So when you left, I mean, obviously you went the Navy pipeline. Why'd you go officer versus enlisted? Who guided you down this path?

That's some good info. Good intel. Man. So when you left, I mean, obviously you went the Navy pipeline. Why'd you go officer versus enlisted? Who guided you down this path?

That's some good info. Good intel. Man. So when you left, I mean, obviously you went the Navy pipeline. Why'd you go officer versus enlisted? Who guided you down this path?

Well, you get a clean slate after putts. It's kind of, it's a little bit, it's truncated.

Well, you get a clean slate after putts. It's kind of, it's a little bit, it's truncated.

Well, you get a clean slate after putts. It's kind of, it's a little bit, it's truncated.

So another interesting misconception I think is that people feel like everybody, it's like this homogenous organization where everybody has exactly the same beliefs.

So another interesting misconception I think is that people feel like everybody, it's like this homogenous organization where everybody has exactly the same beliefs.

So another interesting misconception I think is that people feel like everybody, it's like this homogenous organization where everybody has exactly the same beliefs.

Holy shit. I served with people. I mean, I legitimately serve with people who were silver spoon kids and straight up shooting dinner with a BB gun and like the deep woods of Arkansas. And everything in between. And I would say the military and the SEAL community probably trends right of center politically.

Holy shit. I served with people. I mean, I legitimately serve with people who were silver spoon kids and straight up shooting dinner with a BB gun and like the deep woods of Arkansas. And everything in between. And I would say the military and the SEAL community probably trends right of center politically.

Holy shit. I served with people. I mean, I legitimately serve with people who were silver spoon kids and straight up shooting dinner with a BB gun and like the deep woods of Arkansas. And everything in between. And I would say the military and the SEAL community probably trends right of center politically.

But I certainly served with people who were on the left or support staff or all the structure that makes it possible. People think that leadership, like SEAL community, oh, you have the perfect team and you plan the perfect mission and it always goes well. And I just look, I'm like, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Right.

But I certainly served with people who were on the left or support staff or all the structure that makes it possible. People think that leadership, like SEAL community, oh, you have the perfect team and you plan the perfect mission and it always goes well. And I just look, I'm like, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Right.

But I certainly served with people who were on the left or support staff or all the structure that makes it possible. People think that leadership, like SEAL community, oh, you have the perfect team and you plan the perfect mission and it always goes well. And I just look, I'm like, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Right.

It's a buy-in to the mission. For sure. The greater mission, yeah.

It's a buy-in to the mission. For sure. The greater mission, yeah.

It's a buy-in to the mission. For sure. The greater mission, yeah.

You too, huh?

You too, huh?

You too, huh?

Devoutly religious, complete and other savage walking planet earth, everything in between.

Devoutly religious, complete and other savage walking planet earth, everything in between.

Devoutly religious, complete and other savage walking planet earth, everything in between.

Yeah. Yeah. It'd be awesome if it did. I would have some choice feedback words.

Yeah. Yeah. It'd be awesome if it did. I would have some choice feedback words.

Yeah. Yeah. It'd be awesome if it did. I would have some choice feedback words.

Where'd your career take you after Bud's? Uh, so then what'd you put in your dream sheet?

Where'd your career take you after Bud's? Uh, so then what'd you put in your dream sheet?

Where'd your career take you after Bud's? Uh, so then what'd you put in your dream sheet?

I ask everybody this too.

I ask everybody this too.

I ask everybody this too.

And then... I was not aware you could change your dream sheet.

And then... I was not aware you could change your dream sheet.

And then... I was not aware you could change your dream sheet.

This is Bud's officer privilege. Yeah, exactly. Because E2 Andy, they're like, we actually shredded your paper right after we gave it to you because that's a fucking joke. You're going where the Navy needs you.

This is Bud's officer privilege. Yeah, exactly. Because E2 Andy, they're like, we actually shredded your paper right after we gave it to you because that's a fucking joke. You're going where the Navy needs you.

This is Bud's officer privilege. Yeah, exactly. Because E2 Andy, they're like, we actually shredded your paper right after we gave it to you because that's a fucking joke. You're going where the Navy needs you.

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Oh, pro dev.

Oh, pro dev.

Oh, pro dev.

Professional development. Professional development piece, yeah.

Professional development. Professional development piece, yeah.

Professional development. Professional development piece, yeah.

Forever.

Forever.

Forever.

Yeah. When did you finally deploy overseas the first time?

Yeah. When did you finally deploy overseas the first time?

Yeah. When did you finally deploy overseas the first time?

How'd your career progress from there?

How'd your career progress from there?

How'd your career progress from there?

Take it with you when you lean back. Look at this.

Take it with you when you lean back. Look at this.

Take it with you when you lean back. Look at this.

When did you start thinking about getting out? Wow. So you retired or got out, you did 12 years. So is that probably 04 knocking on 05? Yeah.

When did you start thinking about getting out? Wow. So you retired or got out, you did 12 years. So is that probably 04 knocking on 05? Yeah.

When did you start thinking about getting out? Wow. So you retired or got out, you did 12 years. So is that probably 04 knocking on 05? Yeah.

It'll never be forgotten.

It'll never be forgotten.

It'll never be forgotten.

You can ask whatever you want. There's just people, first amendment, like, yeah, the freedom of speech does not free you from the consequences of your speech.

You can ask whatever you want. There's just people, first amendment, like, yeah, the freedom of speech does not free you from the consequences of your speech.

You can ask whatever you want. There's just people, first amendment, like, yeah, the freedom of speech does not free you from the consequences of your speech.

I am not even going to begin to describe what they do because he does an amazing job and we actually walk through it in real time showing it. Before this though, before Josh got into the entrepreneurial world, he was a Navy SEAL. He served for 12 plus years, deployed overseas 11 times in the support of the Global War on Terror. I let him describe his career.

I am not even going to begin to describe what they do because he does an amazing job and we actually walk through it in real time showing it. Before this though, before Josh got into the entrepreneurial world, he was a Navy SEAL. He served for 12 plus years, deployed overseas 11 times in the support of the Global War on Terror. I let him describe his career.

I am not even going to begin to describe what they do because he does an amazing job and we actually walk through it in real time showing it. Before this though, before Josh got into the entrepreneurial world, he was a Navy SEAL. He served for 12 plus years, deployed overseas 11 times in the support of the Global War on Terror. I let him describe his career.

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The idea of being an entrepreneur and the reality of being an entrepreneur. I'm going to get out and I'm going to build stuff. Very easy to say. It's brutal. Where did you start? What was the first thing that you built? You're like, okay, cool. Next chapter of life.

The idea of being an entrepreneur and the reality of being an entrepreneur. I'm going to get out and I'm going to build stuff. Very easy to say. It's brutal. Where did you start? What was the first thing that you built? You're like, okay, cool. Next chapter of life.

The idea of being an entrepreneur and the reality of being an entrepreneur. I'm going to get out and I'm going to build stuff. Very easy to say. It's brutal. Where did you start? What was the first thing that you built? You're like, okay, cool. Next chapter of life.

I remember, so we got out in- Entrepreneur sounds great in the movies. Remember of entrepreneurs that I know, full gray hair at the age of like 35? I know.

I remember, so we got out in- Entrepreneur sounds great in the movies. Remember of entrepreneurs that I know, full gray hair at the age of like 35? I know.

I remember, so we got out in- Entrepreneur sounds great in the movies. Remember of entrepreneurs that I know, full gray hair at the age of like 35? I know.

You just got another right line item to draw from. Maybe pull it from this program over here.

You just got another right line item to draw from. Maybe pull it from this program over here.

You just got another right line item to draw from. Maybe pull it from this program over here.

I mean, it's very analogous to what you're saying about, it doesn't really matter if you were the team captain or any of that before buds, leave that shit at the door.

I mean, it's very analogous to what you're saying about, it doesn't really matter if you were the team captain or any of that before buds, leave that shit at the door.

I mean, it's very analogous to what you're saying about, it doesn't really matter if you were the team captain or any of that before buds, leave that shit at the door.

Like you're trying to still shiny and people probably pay attention to you, but you better be able to perform.

Like you're trying to still shiny and people probably pay attention to you, but you better be able to perform.

Like you're trying to still shiny and people probably pay attention to you, but you better be able to perform.

I would only build things that I like and then it would be immediately bankrupt. I actually have a hard rule at the coffee shop, especially for t-shirt designs. Yeah. If it was me, we would sell only black t-shirts with only white ink on it. And so I constantly tell them when they ask me about a shirt idea, I'm like, listen, don't ask me, ask other people.

I would only build things that I like and then it would be immediately bankrupt. I actually have a hard rule at the coffee shop, especially for t-shirt designs. Yeah. If it was me, we would sell only black t-shirts with only white ink on it. And so I constantly tell them when they ask me about a shirt idea, I'm like, listen, don't ask me, ask other people.

I would only build things that I like and then it would be immediately bankrupt. I actually have a hard rule at the coffee shop, especially for t-shirt designs. Yeah. If it was me, we would sell only black t-shirts with only white ink on it. And so I constantly tell them when they ask me about a shirt idea, I'm like, listen, don't ask me, ask other people.

Because if we only sold what I liked, we would be bankrupt.

Because if we only sold what I liked, we would be bankrupt.

Because if we only sold what I liked, we would be bankrupt.

I like super simple stuff. And apparently people like more complicated stuff. Right. And that's your choice in business. Do you want to sell what you like or do you want to sell what other people like? Yeah. I would recommend the latter. That's exactly right. Which is a tough pill to swallow. God damn it. I'm an idiot again. Yeah. Yeah. It's rough. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay.

I like super simple stuff. And apparently people like more complicated stuff. Right. And that's your choice in business. Do you want to sell what you like or do you want to sell what other people like? Yeah. I would recommend the latter. That's exactly right. Which is a tough pill to swallow. God damn it. I'm an idiot again. Yeah. Yeah. It's rough. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay.

I like super simple stuff. And apparently people like more complicated stuff. Right. And that's your choice in business. Do you want to sell what you like or do you want to sell what other people like? Yeah. I would recommend the latter. That's exactly right. Which is a tough pill to swallow. God damn it. I'm an idiot again. Yeah. Yeah. It's rough. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay.

Angel Q, how did we stumble upon this idea? Other than the internet is a fucking landmine field, worse than we ever walked through.

Angel Q, how did we stumble upon this idea? Other than the internet is a fucking landmine field, worse than we ever walked through.

Angel Q, how did we stumble upon this idea? Other than the internet is a fucking landmine field, worse than we ever walked through.

It makes the slower, more down days more tolerable.

It makes the slower, more down days more tolerable.

It makes the slower, more down days more tolerable.

When did you get your first cell phone? Do you remember?

When did you get your first cell phone? Do you remember?

When did you get your first cell phone? Do you remember?

Strong. Use your teeth to pull the little three-inch antenna?

Strong. Use your teeth to pull the little three-inch antenna?

Strong. Use your teeth to pull the little three-inch antenna?

Okay. You got it earlier in life than I did. Yeah. Yeah. I remember my first phone was in my mid-20s. And I had, I think I bought the 60 minute per month plan, but they, but they rolled over.

Okay. You got it earlier in life than I did. Yeah. Yeah. I remember my first phone was in my mid-20s. And I had, I think I bought the 60 minute per month plan, but they, but they rolled over.

Okay. You got it earlier in life than I did. Yeah. Yeah. I remember my first phone was in my mid-20s. And I had, I think I bought the 60 minute per month plan, but they, but they rolled over.

Yeah. Oh, for sure.

Yeah. Oh, for sure.

Yeah. Oh, for sure.

Yeah. No, those, some of those bills were pretty stiff and reinforcing.

Yeah. No, those, some of those bills were pretty stiff and reinforcing.

Yeah. No, those, some of those bills were pretty stiff and reinforcing.

Free weekends though. Most of my calls were done on the weekends. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was the weekday. Oh yeah.

Free weekends though. Most of my calls were done on the weekends. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was the weekday. Oh yeah.

Free weekends though. Most of my calls were done on the weekends. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was the weekday. Oh yeah.

That's super common, too, of that generation.

That's super common, too, of that generation.

That's super common, too, of that generation.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, you know, my own kids, they don't remember a life without the internet.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, you know, my own kids, they don't remember a life without the internet.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, you know, my own kids, they don't remember a life without the internet.

It's wild. Yeah. They interface with it in a different way. They also, they are way more capable on the internet than I am. For sure. They can figure out ways to teach themselves things on the internet. Yeah. At a way I was never able to, my middle son started two businesses off of YouTube and Oh, wow. Like, you know, how do you form an LLC? What's a business model? That's impressive. Yeah.

It's wild. Yeah. They interface with it in a different way. They also, they are way more capable on the internet than I am. For sure. They can figure out ways to teach themselves things on the internet. Yeah. At a way I was never able to, my middle son started two businesses off of YouTube and Oh, wow. Like, you know, how do you form an LLC? What's a business model? That's impressive. Yeah.

It's wild. Yeah. They interface with it in a different way. They also, they are way more capable on the internet than I am. For sure. They can figure out ways to teach themselves things on the internet. Yeah. At a way I was never able to, my middle son started two businesses off of YouTube and Oh, wow. Like, you know, how do you form an LLC? What's a business model? That's impressive. Yeah.

He's going to be just fine. He's at Bozeman doing a mechanical engineering degree. I don't have any worries about him. And one of his business was just knocking on doors. It was a window cleaning business. And so he doesn't mind talking to people. That's great. When they tell him no to his face, he literally doesn't skip a beat. Do you know if any of your neighbors would like my service?

He's going to be just fine. He's at Bozeman doing a mechanical engineering degree. I don't have any worries about him. And one of his business was just knocking on doors. It was a window cleaning business. And so he doesn't mind talking to people. That's great. When they tell him no to his face, he literally doesn't skip a beat. Do you know if any of your neighbors would like my service?

He's going to be just fine. He's at Bozeman doing a mechanical engineering degree. I don't have any worries about him. And one of his business was just knocking on doors. It was a window cleaning business. And so he doesn't mind talking to people. That's great. When they tell him no to his face, he literally doesn't skip a beat. Do you know if any of your neighbors would like my service?

He just fucking rolls with it.

He just fucking rolls with it.

He just fucking rolls with it.

He's fine. He's going to be fine for the rest of his life. Right. I'm like, just go live life, dude. You're going to be absolutely fine. He's so smart. And then so utterly stupid in some ways too, I guess, as we all are, we can't, uh, we can't all be a multi-tool because, uh, yeah, he's way smarter than me, but he'll do some dumb shit, but he's also 19. Yeah.

He's fine. He's going to be fine for the rest of his life. Right. I'm like, just go live life, dude. You're going to be absolutely fine. He's so smart. And then so utterly stupid in some ways too, I guess, as we all are, we can't, uh, we can't all be a multi-tool because, uh, yeah, he's way smarter than me, but he'll do some dumb shit, but he's also 19. Yeah.

He's fine. He's going to be fine for the rest of his life. Right. I'm like, just go live life, dude. You're going to be absolutely fine. He's so smart. And then so utterly stupid in some ways too, I guess, as we all are, we can't, uh, we can't all be a multi-tool because, uh, yeah, he's way smarter than me, but he'll do some dumb shit, but he's also 19. Yeah.

But their, their utilization of the internet is wild. And then watching them in COVID trying to go to school on zoom. Yeah. I mean, I graduated high school in 96. If COVID had happened then, that would just be the end of school. There's no Zoom. There's no Skype. That's right. That would be just see in two years. I don't know what the hell they would have done. No. Yeah. But.

But their, their utilization of the internet is wild. And then watching them in COVID trying to go to school on zoom. Yeah. I mean, I graduated high school in 96. If COVID had happened then, that would just be the end of school. There's no Zoom. There's no Skype. That's right. That would be just see in two years. I don't know what the hell they would have done. No. Yeah. But.

But their, their utilization of the internet is wild. And then watching them in COVID trying to go to school on zoom. Yeah. I mean, I graduated high school in 96. If COVID had happened then, that would just be the end of school. There's no Zoom. There's no Skype. That's right. That would be just see in two years. I don't know what the hell they would have done. No. Yeah. But.

The number of kids I know who have gotten into some deep, deep water over their head, most of the time accidentally, sometimes making a decision in their prefrontal cortex developmental mindset of like, hey, this is a good idea to send this picture. There's some of that. A lot of it's accidental, though. And there's predators out there that are reverse engineering the internet.

The number of kids I know who have gotten into some deep, deep water over their head, most of the time accidentally, sometimes making a decision in their prefrontal cortex developmental mindset of like, hey, this is a good idea to send this picture. There's some of that. A lot of it's accidental, though. And there's predators out there that are reverse engineering the internet.

The number of kids I know who have gotten into some deep, deep water over their head, most of the time accidentally, sometimes making a decision in their prefrontal cortex developmental mindset of like, hey, this is a good idea to send this picture. There's some of that. A lot of it's accidental, though. And there's predators out there that are reverse engineering the internet.

And I didn't come up with this by any stretch, but people talk about giving their kid a cell phone because it gives their kid access to the world. It actually gives the world access to your kid.

And I didn't come up with this by any stretch, but people talk about giving their kid a cell phone because it gives their kid access to the world. It actually gives the world access to your kid.

And I didn't come up with this by any stretch, but people talk about giving their kid a cell phone because it gives their kid access to the world. It actually gives the world access to your kid.

So I've seen it too. One of the differences, especially on the negative side, when we were growing up, you know, going to school, everybody has somebody who they don't get along with, but you could manage that distance.

So I've seen it too. One of the differences, especially on the negative side, when we were growing up, you know, going to school, everybody has somebody who they don't get along with, but you could manage that distance.

So I've seen it too. One of the differences, especially on the negative side, when we were growing up, you know, going to school, everybody has somebody who they don't get along with, but you could manage that distance.

You can't manage the distance on social media. I mean, You can, but I think it's fair to say that a lot of these apps are designed to be addictive. They reward the interaction. Your social circle is on there. That's how they are communicating. That's how they're sharing their experiences. But that's also where the people are. The number of people, you know, cyberbullying is definitely real.

You can't manage the distance on social media. I mean, You can, but I think it's fair to say that a lot of these apps are designed to be addictive. They reward the interaction. Your social circle is on there. That's how they are communicating. That's how they're sharing their experiences. But that's also where the people are. The number of people, you know, cyberbullying is definitely real.

You can't manage the distance on social media. I mean, You can, but I think it's fair to say that a lot of these apps are designed to be addictive. They reward the interaction. Your social circle is on there. That's how they are communicating. That's how they're sharing their experiences. But that's also where the people are. The number of people, you know, cyberbullying is definitely real.

I've seen that firsthand. And you're like, where's this person? They're in a different country. Like, what the fuck are you – who cares? That wasn't even a possibility when we were growing up. Like some dude in Bangladesh is not going to bully me in 1996 over the internet.

I've seen that firsthand. And you're like, where's this person? They're in a different country. Like, what the fuck are you – who cares? That wasn't even a possibility when we were growing up. Like some dude in Bangladesh is not going to bully me in 1996 over the internet.

I've seen that firsthand. And you're like, where's this person? They're in a different country. Like, what the fuck are you – who cares? That wasn't even a possibility when we were growing up. Like some dude in Bangladesh is not going to bully me in 1996 over the internet.

I was going to ask you, do you think this is the new childhood?

I was going to ask you, do you think this is the new childhood?

I was going to ask you, do you think this is the new childhood?

Like full size?

Like full size?

Like full size?

Never had an account.

Never had an account.

Never had an account.

Dude, I'm a late adopter. I never fucked with any of this stuff until I got out of the military.

Dude, I'm a late adopter. I never fucked with any of this stuff until I got out of the military.

Dude, I'm a late adopter. I never fucked with any of this stuff until I got out of the military.

We just hit... There's examples that that's accidental. There's 100% concrete examples of people who have been driven to intentionally killing themselves.

We just hit... There's examples that that's accidental. There's 100% concrete examples of people who have been driven to intentionally killing themselves.

We just hit... There's examples that that's accidental. There's 100% concrete examples of people who have been driven to intentionally killing themselves.

Based off that inescapability or just being bombarded by what they think is a tsunami they can't survive.

Based off that inescapability or just being bombarded by what they think is a tsunami they can't survive.

Based off that inescapability or just being bombarded by what they think is a tsunami they can't survive.

Also known as a dick pic.

Also known as a dick pic.

Also known as a dick pic.

That's what they want the kid to be in that space for sure.

That's what they want the kid to be in that space for sure.

That's what they want the kid to be in that space for sure.

I feel like we know enough about electronic targeting that the Yahoo boys probably could be menstruated down to a 10-digit grid. And I think a JDAM would be spectacular.

I feel like we know enough about electronic targeting that the Yahoo boys probably could be menstruated down to a 10-digit grid. And I think a JDAM would be spectacular.

I feel like we know enough about electronic targeting that the Yahoo boys probably could be menstruated down to a 10-digit grid. And I think a JDAM would be spectacular.

I mean, you know what they'll say too. We have three plus billion people who, Even with the most complicated AI tools, we cannot manage and monitor everything that's passed on this platform. That's what they'll say.

I mean, you know what they'll say too. We have three plus billion people who, Even with the most complicated AI tools, we cannot manage and monitor everything that's passed on this platform. That's what they'll say.

I mean, you know what they'll say too. We have three plus billion people who, Even with the most complicated AI tools, we cannot manage and monitor everything that's passed on this platform. That's what they'll say.

They host the platform, but they're not responsible for it. For the content.

They host the platform, but they're not responsible for it. For the content.

They host the platform, but they're not responsible for it. For the content.

It's fascinating calculus. Yeah, it really is. I want, I mean, I don't understand those numbers. Yeah. Like when people talk about a billion dollars, I'm like, Oh, cool. Yeah.

It's fascinating calculus. Yeah, it really is. I want, I mean, I don't understand those numbers. Yeah. Like when people talk about a billion dollars, I'm like, Oh, cool. Yeah.

It's fascinating calculus. Yeah, it really is. I want, I mean, I don't understand those numbers. Yeah. Like when people talk about a billion dollars, I'm like, Oh, cool. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, I guess everybody has their price. I don't know. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. Granted, I don't have the intellectual capacity to create one of these platforms. But if you're aware of the damage and you're aware of the vulnerabilities, I don't know.

Yeah. You know, I guess everybody has their price. I don't know. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. Granted, I don't have the intellectual capacity to create one of these platforms. But if you're aware of the damage and you're aware of the vulnerabilities, I don't know.

Yeah. You know, I guess everybody has their price. I don't know. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. Granted, I don't have the intellectual capacity to create one of these platforms. But if you're aware of the damage and you're aware of the vulnerabilities, I don't know.

I mean, is there just a monetary amount that you become so free as a person because you can just do whatever you want to do that you care less? I think...

I mean, is there just a monetary amount that you become so free as a person because you can just do whatever you want to do that you care less? I think...

I mean, is there just a monetary amount that you become so free as a person because you can just do whatever you want to do that you care less? I think...

Socially competitive, if you will.

Socially competitive, if you will.

Socially competitive, if you will.

Plus he was so young too. I mean, at what age? You know, how could you extrapolate or even forecast into the future with a young 20-something mind? Yeah, exactly. To a place where three-plus billion people? Yeah, exactly. You know, when he launched it, he probably thought, you know, 3,000 would be amazing.

Plus he was so young too. I mean, at what age? You know, how could you extrapolate or even forecast into the future with a young 20-something mind? Yeah, exactly. To a place where three-plus billion people? Yeah, exactly. You know, when he launched it, he probably thought, you know, 3,000 would be amazing.

Plus he was so young too. I mean, at what age? You know, how could you extrapolate or even forecast into the future with a young 20-something mind? Yeah, exactly. To a place where three-plus billion people? Yeah, exactly. You know, when he launched it, he probably thought, you know, 3,000 would be amazing.

I don't even know how many more zeros would need to go on that to make it three-plus billion. But, yeah, man. I mean, but again, three-plus billion people? Is the chisel slowly chinking away at it? Is that enough?

I don't even know how many more zeros would need to go on that to make it three-plus billion. But, yeah, man. I mean, but again, three-plus billion people? Is the chisel slowly chinking away at it? Is that enough?

I don't even know how many more zeros would need to go on that to make it three-plus billion. But, yeah, man. I mean, but again, three-plus billion people? Is the chisel slowly chinking away at it? Is that enough?