Joseph Cox

Hey, Joseph, how are you doing over there?

All good, all good.

A little bit of a sore throat from talking constantly.

I'm going to get so sick of my voice.

Kind of close, actually, weirdly.

I've carved a niche in my journalism career by speaking to criminals, essentially.

And that could be drug traffickers.

It could be cyber criminals, hackers especially.

And I was always interested where we would read press releases about hacking operations or law enforcement campaigns.

And you would never hear from the other side.

So I made a habit of, I want to go talk to the people with hands on keyboards, is what I say.

I want to talk to the hackers.

I want to talk to the people using strange technology.

So I've, for years, approached it from the crime side of things.

And they'll talk to you some of the time, at least.

Yeah, I think when you meet people sort of where they are, of course, for war reporting, that would be actually going to the scene of the conflict.

For me, that's like downloading the very particular weird apps that these criminals use.

They respect you jumping through those hoops.

So the Australian media actually showed one of the adverts from Phantom Secure.

And there's a guy in a dress shirt doing his tie.