Jonathan 'JP' Pokluda
Appearances
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
No, I was sitting in staff. We have a staff meeting every Tuesday we call staff prayer. And I was sitting in there and I got this just random text. It was like, hey, I heard your message of passion. You did a great job. Dash Willie. And I mean, you know, I don't I never talked to Willie. I never met Willie or anything. And I just was like and I looked at that and I was like, who who is Willie?
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
This is my guy right here. Willie Robertson just texted me. I'm you know, I'm big, big fan of the whole family. I'll be honest. I've tracked people. I'm a day one-er. I'm an OG, way back, way back fan. And, you know, all the things. I'm in. I'm 100% in. And if you really want to make a young man's dream come true, like let's get in a duck blind or something, I'm ready.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
How have y'all taken to Christian? Is he okay? Is he in the family?
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
Yeah, might as well.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
Oh, wow.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
Get off TikTok, Christian. I've been training that young man, trying to get him in shape, and so we're just about there.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
Exactly. I wasn't going to say the name.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
Yeah.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
It's the craziest thing. So I got invited to speak at Auburn University, and the event was in six weeks, which, you know, I'm not trying to big-time anybody. I just usually... You have more of a heads up than that. And it was like, can you do this in six weeks? I was like, no, I can't do it. I mean, just there's a process that goes in front of the elders and all that.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
I was like, nah, I can't do it in six weeks. And then a buddy of mine called and said, hey, this is my mother-in-law. You know, her husband's the coach, assistant coach there at Auburn. And, you know, would you do that? And I was like, all right, I'll do it. And so we get on a plane, go over there. And I'm thinking I'm going to talk to 600 college students. that's just kind of what was in my head.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
And we got there and they filled the basketball arena and it was 6,000 college students. And I gave it, she wanted this real specific message on sexual sin is a really hard message. And it's not a, it's not a feel good message. And, um, just, I mean, it's, it's first Thessalonians four, it kind of, it, it, it ends with God is the avenger of such things.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
And so I'm like, you know, I'm teaching that and working in grace and, And then Jenny went up after me, Jenny Allen. And so this woman, her name is Tanya Pruitt, and she had just been praying, like prayer walking this campus, just praying for revival, praying that the Holy Spirit would just do a work.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
And she just was so burdened by some of the stories she was hearing from these college students about their addiction and just being enslaved to sin. And so we, you know, at the end of the night, we did an altar call and this one person, college girl texted in and said, hey, I've never been baptized. And Jenny's on stage just so organic. She's just having a conversation with the crowd.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
It's like, hey, is there water nearby? And they're like, the Red Barn. And she's like, all right, we're going to the Red Barn. And then we just all, we thought it was like across the street, but it was a half a mile away. And so we all just, thousands of us walked out to the Red Barn and we started doing baptisms and 350 college students got baptized that night.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
And some of those were like 20 minute conversation. It wasn't just line up and dunk. It was like, man, let me make sure you understand Jesus died for your sins. God raised him from the dead. Just really clarifying the gospel. And so we were out till about 2 a.m. I mean, we came back after midnight and just kind of talked through everything. And it was amazing.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
And if that was it, it was like, that was one of the most fun nights I've ever had in my life. And we thought it was over. Well, then Alabama called, and then Tennessee, and then Georgia. And so we just started doing this SEC tour. And that has turned into, we've done 11 campuses, and they've all been kind of the same.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
I mean, different, but thousands come, thousands trust in Jesus, hundreds get baptized. Happens at every campus we've been to. And so it's been it's it's really changed my life because, you know, I pastor a church full time. And and so, you know, have a staff and all that. And it really has changed my life and my job description and everything, trying to figure it out.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
We're going to the nations. Like now we're reaching the lost.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
It's true outreach now.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
No, young adult. So I was raised Catholic and didn't go to church in college. You know, they say drug, sex, and rock and roll. It's kind of drug, sex, and hip hop in my case. And I was at a club 22 years ago and someone invited me to church. And I sat in the back row, hungover, smelled like smoke from the night before and started wrestling with what do I really believe about God?
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
Because I've always said I was a Christian, but I was like, you know, what are the odds I'd be born to the right country? And if I was born in India, I'd be Hindu. If I was born in China, I'd be Buddhist. If I was born in Israel, I'd be Jewish, you know, and I just started wrestling with this.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
And so I started looking at world religions, the Hindu faith, the Buddhist faith, the Jewish faith, Islamic faith, Mormons, Jehovah's Witness, Church of Christian Science, Scientology. And I kept tripping over Jesus.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
in history that somehow 2025 years ago this carpenter born in bethlehem reset the calendar and you know bethlehem is a little bitty tiny town smaller than west monroe that no one would have heard of except for jesus was born there and nazareth is a city that we wouldn't know the name of except for jesus lived there so how did this guy become the single most polarizing character in the history of history
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
And I realized, you know, in studying that, that it's because he died and showed back up three days later. And Paul says over 500 people saw him.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
And I, you know, I'm a porn addict at the time, sex addict, drug user, you know, and, and, and not like, and I've got my, you would have thought I had my act together, you know, because I was trying to be a millionaire before I was 30, was chasing the dollar. It's kind of everything wrong with Dallas and a person. And, um, And I just realized, like, this guy paid for my sins.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
And if he paid for my sins, then I don't have to pay for my sins. You know, and I don't, you know, there's a lot of sins and I don't want to pay for them. And so he paid for them. Then I'm just going to go all in with him. And then as I went all in with him, I thought, you know, if this stuff is true and people can live forever, like we're all going to die and we're going to be somewhere forever.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
I'm going to tell everybody I've got to tell the whole world about this. And so then went into ministry five years later. And really was setting out chairs. No one was giving me a microphone like, hey, come speak. They were like, we don't trust him. We're not even sure he's saved. You can put chairs in a circle. And so I did that for a little while and did some announcements.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
And then one Tuesday, actually, they were like, why don't you teach? It was a young adult ministry. And it grew to be the biggest in the country. And it's still rocking and rolling there. But then we... And then I became the pastor of that church that I just talked about that I stumbled into, hung over. And then six years ago, we moved to Waco.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
But yeah, I mean, she's a she's incredible. She's I mean, you guys would love her, man. She's your people. A hundred percent. And she's she's from a small town around here. So am I, born and raised in a small town, South Texas. She just loves the family. I love adventure and go and do and I'm an extrovert. Her dream date night is just like a game night on the kitchen floor.
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I'll get the limo and 100 roses and write a song. And all of that's just lost on her. She's like, no, no, I don't want any of that. Like, let's I'm just going to make I'll make dinner here and we'll just stay here. And why don't we play play, you know, go fish with the kids. And it's like that's her that's her dream evening. So she's she's awesome. And I couldn't do any of this without her.
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And in fact, we like where we have to be careful now. I want to make sure she misses me when I'm gone. It's like, I'm going away. I'm doing these things. I'm just like, hey, babe, I'm coming back now. Don't you make sure you don't change the locks on me. But yeah, it's been sweet.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
No, it was, it was in the works. And I think the Lord went before me because I got into this because I wanted to learn about it because I was, you know, Catholic background. And then I got saved in a non-denominational church and we never really talked about angels and demons. And yes, like you have an enemy, like you're just, you know, Satan, this, Satan, that, but I just, here was the deal.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
It was like this story. Somebody is like, Hey, they, they got up, they got dressed. They're going to go to church for the first time in a while. Sunday morning, they plan to go. They're all in. And they got in their car and they turned the key and it goes, you know, the battery's dead. And they're like, oh man, spiritual warfare. Well, I'm like, What in the world did a demon do?
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
Did it have to pop the hood? Did it leave the light on, leave the door open? How many demons does it take to run a car battery? And then when you take your car in and they're like, oh, it's your alternator. Was that a plan for the past six months? Were they wearing down a wire? What in the world can they do?
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
And, and I realized like, there's a whole lot of Christians out there completely okay with not knowing. And just kind of, as you heard my story, you realize like, I'm just, I'm kind of like doubting Thomas, you know, it's like, I'm not okay. I want to know everything I can know. Like, I understand there's a mystery aspect of God and I respect and honor that.
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But if it's available to know, I'd like to know. And so as I started just researching, the Bible has more to say about spiritual warfare than it does about marriage. Well, we're happy to teach about marriage and give the tips and tricks in Ephesians 5 and Colossians 3 and 1 Peter 3. But there's this other thing of angels and demons, this war happening around us.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
And I'm just trying to figure out what happened to the car battery. And so that's really how this book was born. And that was before... the Unite stuff happened. And I would just say, man, you got to be careful if you want to write a book on spiritual warfare, because I mean, the enemy just came out full force after I signed the contract for this one. But so did God.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
I mean, there were just blessings all over the place. Also, Unite being one of them.
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Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, Heiser's, you mentioned him, he's another level. This book is kind of for, like, if you picked up Michael Heiser's book and then you set it back down, you're like, okay, that's deep waters. This is kind of a layman's guide to spiritual warfare. And so it's, yeah, and it really was a learning, a three-year learning journey for me of reading guys like him and others.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
Yes, sir.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
Yeah. Yes. C.S. Lewis says there's two mistakes we make about the devils. One is, you know, being believing that they don't exist. The other is, you know, believing that they are involved in everything that we do. I think there's a third mistake, which is believing that they exist and not caring like that belief, like just this idea that there's a there's something.
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devil and he may be devils as C.S. Lewis says and that just having no implications for our lives and the reality is the spiritual is the eternal and so the world is temporary like the world as we know it at least is temporary the things that we love in the world is temporary and so I think that's the battle is Satan is trying to keep us from having an intimate relationship a deep
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
closeness with God. That's what he started in the garden in Genesis chapter three. And that's still what he's, that is still what he's doing today is he's trying to prevent us from having a close relationship with God. So when somebody's listening right now or watching, says, you know, when I go to pray, I'm just so distracted. All these thoughts come into my mind with spiritual warfare.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
When I read the Bible, it just doesn't always make sense. You know, the words, I'm like, oh man, I don't really know what I'm reading. My mind wanders with that spiritual warfare. He does not want you growing that relationship with God. What you see in the garden is Adam and Eve. They were able to commune with God and talk with him.
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And he talked back and they heard him and there was a relationship there. And then the serpent comes in between there and says, hey, God's trying to keep something from you. You know, if you eat from this, you're going to be like him. And ultimately, when God comes up and he says, Adam, where are you? Well, God knows where Adam is. He's omnipotent. He knows everything. He knows Adam's mind.
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But when he says, where are you? It's not so much disappointment as much as it is distance. And then when we sin, we feel far from God. And so that's the feeling that we have whenever we sin. And so what's the solution? Again, spiritual warfare is, It's confession. It's repentance. It's like, hey, I'm going to turn from this. I'm going to make it really difficult for me to continue in this sin.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
And so there's people watching and listening right now. You know, there's some stuff that owns you. You know, there's some things that you keep going back to like a dog to his vomit. And we've got to say, all right, don't. This is the enemy. He's trying to lure me away and hinder me because 2 Corinthians 4, verse 4 says that Satan is the God of this world, the lowercase g, God of this world.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
But 1 John 4, verse 4 says, greater is he who is in me than he who is in the world. And so I have everything that I need for victory. Satan's not afraid of me, but he's terrified of my God. He's terrified of my Jesus. So the solution is for me to remain close to Jesus and to foster my relationship with God and grow that relationship with God.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
And that's ultimately what's going to protect me from the enemy.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
Yeah, it just came out.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
It's been really fun. I mean, probably the most significant work I've been a part of. This is my sixth book, but it debuted, you know, top 50 on Amazon on all the books, which is, you know, a milestone for me at least. And then people, you know, I got an email saying, Or a text message rather this morning just said, I started reading it last night. He goes, thanks a lot. I'm so tired today.
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I couldn't put it down until 3 a.m. And I think it's because, you know, John 10, 10 says that the thief comes to steal, kill and destroy. But I've come to have to give life that they might. I've come for life so they might have it abundantly. And, you know, there's a longing in all of our hearts for the abundant life that Jesus offers.
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And it's, you know, I think that there's just people out there that think there's a bunch of church folks playing games and pretending to talk to this invisible deity and just going and feeling good. And, hey, that's good. That works for you. You sing your feel good songs. It's like, no, man, there's a creator of the heavens and the earth. And you're going to face him.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
You're going to be with him forever. Or you're going to be somewhere forever and ever and ever and ever and ever. And he wants to get his children back. And like, yeah, he lost his children to sin and death and disease. But he's, man, he's gone to great lengths to get us back and allowing his one and only son, Jesus, to die for our sins and raise him from the dead.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
And like, yeah, there's an aspect to the spiritual war that's scary. You know, I mean... And in the book, I tell this crazy story of being in a country club and this guy just going wild on me. And I had never seen anything like that.
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I'd been in the Amazon jungle three times, I'd been to Africa multiple times, I'd been to Haiti six times, and I had never seen what was happening in this country club with this guy. And so I just think Satan's going to show up more and more.
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Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
He's showing his hands as we're seeing revivals, as we're seeing college campuses and college students come into a relationship with Jesus, as we're seeing revivals in prison. I don't think the enemy's too happy about it. If we can get somebody to believe in the devil and, then they're going to believe in God. And so I think he does his best work in hiding.
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It says that he masquerades like an angel of light. He's a deceiver. He hides. He tries to stay in the shadows and tries to just convince us that he's this spooky guy. But he's a fallen angel, and they're outnumbered two to one. There's more heavenly angels than there are demonic angels. demons.
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That'll preach. Yeah, no, he definitely. I think Christianity is a communal religion. It's a communal faith. And the greatest commandment is to love God and love people. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. And right now it's so popular not to. It's like, oh, I don't like people. I don't want to be.
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And it's like, well, then you're not going to like Christianity. And I mean, I think this appeals. This is part of the appeal of Doug Dynasty and your family and just you guys doing life together and people watching from afar. And they're they long for that. I mean, there's there's people at home.
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They don't even they've lived in the same house for 27 years and they don't know their neighbor's name. They don't know the guy right next door to them. They don't know their name, you know, and much less have their phone number or any way to get in contact with them. And so when you start seeing people do life on life, well, that's because we were made for that. Like Christianity is a team sport.
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We weren't made to go at this alone. And we've got to do life together. And yes, the enemy is constant. He's like a lion. in the jungle that wants to isolate the gazelle. He can't fight the whole herd of water buffalo, but he can get the one by itself and they can maybe take it down. But he can't fight the herd.
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And he's constantly trying to isolate somebody to vaping, to cutting, to depression, despair, to suicide, to anxiety. That's his offense. And if you know that, it's art of war kind of stuff. It's like, wait, If I lean deeper into God's people and I have them, James 5, 16, you know, I confess stuff to them and have them pray for me and I'm going to experience healing. And that's my story.
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And it's not just my story. I see it over and over and over again. So to your pattern recognition comment, it's like, yeah, it's like, here's the deal. There are things that you do where you fall into a pit and there are things that you do where you find life and you do the things that you fall into a pit, you fall.
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fall into a pit and you go deeper in the pit and it doesn't work well for anybody and you do the things that lead to life and you find life and you get laughter and joy and you know it's just like sometimes life is that simple and I understand there's exceptions to that I really do I get that but in the grand scheme of things the 30,000 feet view is just like man walk in righteousness and do what God asks us to do do the right thing no matter how difficult it is and seek to know your creator and man it's
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for the most part, it's going to go well for you.
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Grateful for you, man. Grateful for your families. Blessings to you.