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Jonathan Beyer

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It is a high-risk procedure. When are we going to do it? When the risks are outweighed by the benefits.

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So cardiac arrest, people choking, respiratory arrest, things where seconds could make a difference. Yep, that is worth the risk to try to get someone there quicker. But other things like, well, she fell and broke her hip. Okay, that's an emergency and that person needs to get to a hospital. I don't doubt that. Is the three minutes going to make a difference in that person's outcome? No.

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I wiped out about 50% of the priority one calls in Berrien County.

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When I instituted the change, I didn't really have much of a problem. 911 didn't have a problem with this because it just was a difference in coding for them. It didn't affect them. The medics themselves really liked it because the medics were like, yep, most of these things we are going on are not priority.

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Except... What ended up happening, and I'm not exactly sure how this got out, it went through all the proper channels on my side, like medical control in the hospital in the county, so that was okay. Um...

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But it started getting publicized, and I don't exactly know how, but it started showing up on the hospital Facebook page about Berrien County Medical Control is killing people with slow responses. And, oh boy.

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Literally, they were out on the bluff overlooking Lake Michigan, just interviewing people walking by going, what do you think about ambulances coming to your house slower? And of course, people exploded.

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It's like, I can't believe this. And, you know, this is terrible. Of course, I want an ambulance there fast. And the hospital started getting a lot of flack. Some of it was very nasty. So people started on Facebook attacking the hospital. Oh, this is Lakeland just killing patients again. You know, just very bad vitriol.

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to 2 a.m. shift. And at 8 a.m., I got a call from the administrative assistant to the CEO of the hospital. Hi there, Dr. Beyer. It's 8 a.m. What are you doing at 8.30? I'm like, and I'm still waking up because, again, I've had four hours of sleep. And she's like, Dr. Hamill, at that point, the CEO of the hospital, would like to speak to you.

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And I'm met by them and the hospital attorney and being shown this Facebook page. And they're like, what did you do? This is terrible.

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I tried to explain what I had done is, have you ever taken physics?

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I showed him some of the studies. He's like, your science is sound. You go next time, do a press conference. I had a press conference, which is what you saw online.

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And once that went out, all complaints disappeared in six weeks. And I've heard not a thing since then. In fact, we right now are the leader in Michigan for the lowest rates of lights and sirens used in the state of Michigan for EMS. Hmm.

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I have like four jobs because it doesn't everyone. And I'm like, right now I'm at the Berrien County Health Department.

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I am not speaking on behalf of the Berrien County Health Department.

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There is no evidence that lights and sirens helps anybody. There's plenty of evidence that it hurts people.

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I started life as a paramedic before I got demoted to doctor. I was a paramedic for 11 years. And when I was a paramedic in the Philadelphia area, we responded lights and sirens to everything. Like, you called 911, we just left. You know, there we go. When I got here to Michigan, they had two sets of priorities, priority one and priority two.

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There are more calls for service than there are ambulances. So we have to find some way to prioritize that.

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And a lot of these triggers for things were like, if you ever complained of shortness of breath in any way, shape, or form, it made it a priority one. The problem is shortness of breath, or do you feel like you're having trouble breathing, an incredibly subjective question. And so the medics were coming to me complaining, it's like, why are we getting priority one dental pain?

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Because the person's like, I have a tooth pain. Oh yeah, it's making it hard to breathe. We were about 50-50 for priority ones, which were lights and sirens, and priority twos, which were not lights and sirens, speed of traffic.

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So when you drive your car, you're used to things like red lights, everyone's going to stop. Once something interferes with that, the chances of an accident increase.

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I started going, why are we responding to dental pain priority one? So myself and I have a residency program here and I had a couple of my high-performing medics and another EMS physician and myself, we spent a couple of weeks going through hundreds of these determinant codes going, does that really need priority one?

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Yes, it's about 45 seconds to three minutes.

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For most disease processes. Cardiac arrest is one that I would put in the, that time makes sense. Because in cardiac arrest, for every minute that you go without CPR being done, there's about a 10% increase in mortality and decrease in survivable brain function.

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I tell the medics, and this is how I presented it, is consider lights and sirens a medical therapy. For every medicine that you give, there is an indication, and there's a contraindication. If I were going to say, I'm going to give you epinephrine, well, why would I give you epinephrine? And the benefits have to outweigh the risks. So I wanted to think of lights and sirens that way.