Jojo Siwa
Appearances
Candace
Shannon Sharpe Out At ESPN. I Taylor Swift Subpoena Incoming. | Candace Ep 182
Five people that I will not be having on JoJo Siwa now. Candace Owens, I think it's pretty self-explanatory. Her and I do not fuck with each other. She wasn't going after me. She was going after a whole community of people, and that's not okay.
Candace
Shannon Sharpe Out At ESPN. I Taylor Swift Subpoena Incoming. | Candace Ep 182
I've always told myself I'm a lesbian, but I think you think being here, I've realized, oh, no, I'm not lesbian. I'm queer. And I think that's really cool. You are. I'm switching letters. You're queer.
The Brett Cooper Show
JoJo Siwa Changes Her Sexuality & Dylan Mulvaney FLEES America | Episode 26
And I flew across the world to support and be there and hold that person in whatever they would be experiencing, leaving such a wild experience. And instead, I was dumped at the after party with Chris in the next room.
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Anyways, so then you come out of the cigarette room and that's when he goes back over and he's sitting and it's like me and Michael are sitting over on the benches and then it was Mickey, Christopher, Jack. I think Ella may have been there in the beginning or not. I don't really know, but I know it was Chris and Jack. And that's when he made his first smart remarks.
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And I believe the first ones that he said was the lesbian over there. And, like, you don't really want to, like, point somebody out as the lesbian until, like, it just was genuinely giving him heads up. It does not offend me at all. But, like.
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Anyways, so then he said that and then he doubled down on it. Who are you going to vote for? The lesbian. And I was like, Mickey, like you really you cannot vote me because I'm a lesbian. Now you're being crazy. And then he made a joke using the F slur. And that was when actually I was like, whoa, I don't want really much to do with this man right now. And then that's when Chris stepped in.
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And it's interesting because Chris now, if he didn't step in, I'd be like, come on, you know, find it. But then we didn't know each other. Nobody knew each other. It was still, it was day essentially one in the house. Like it's, nobody wants to do anything. Nobody wants to say anything. No one wants to stand up to make you rock.
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And so for him to do that and stand up, not only for me in that moment, but for the entire LGBTQ community and say, hey, like, you really can't say that. Like, And you're just, you're fighting for right versus wrong. And so I, I, Chris took that away. And then that's when Mickey made a sexually inappropriate comment to me. And like.
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So there was, let me get there. Let me get there because it gets there and it gets there quickly. So long story short, then Mickey gets called into the diary room and told like, hey, you can't say that. Right. And in that diary room, he came out and he said in the diary room, like, I didn't mean to offend. I'm sorry. Like, all good.
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And really quick, the sexual remark was him being like, if you were with me, you were a lesbian or something. Yeah, and then he said, I'll tie you up or something. And then I was like, relax, I'll tie you up. Like, try me if I dare you to. You know what I mean? Like, you may be strong, but baby, I'm mighty. You know what I mean?
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But I also have exactly kind of what you were just talking about. And like the story does lead there, but just to reiterate, like, or to, I guess, start the statement of like, I also understand he is just an older guy that grew up in Hollywood. He might just be a little bit of a weirdo and I might just have to tolerate it and all good. You know what I mean? And that's,
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kind of the approach I took. Like, look, this is weird. This is creepy. I don't like it. He's gross, but like, I'll figure it out. Like, it'll be fine. I'm not, I'm going to be okay. But what happened was in the diary room, he actually said, and I saw this last night when I watched, he said, you know, I didn't, I didn't have any ill intent, whatever. We don't hear about those diary room chats.
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So I have no idea of any of that. So then he comes out into the kitchen And he comes up to me and I told him, I was like, I was going to tell him because everybody, you know, encouraged me to like be like little start to explain why, you know, he can't do that just to like make amends almost. But so he knows why you're feeling an hour branch.
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Yeah. And so I did. And he wanted nothing to do with it. He said, you're going to kick a dog while it's down. I was like, no, my God, no, like that's not the point at all. I just wanted you to know like where I was coming from. Then that's when Chris stepped in again because I was very shaken up at that point.
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And Chris was like, no, man, like just like she's just trying to like say her feelings, whatever. And then Mickey was like, well, I don't really care about your feelings and all this didn't make it. And so that's what really tipped me over the edge is he then said to me, I knew what I was saying and that's why I said it. I wanted to offend you.
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I knew it was going to offend you and that's why I wanted to do it. I like poking at a bear and none of that made it. So that conversation. And then he said to me something along the lines of like, I knew it would offend you. So that's why I said it. And so then I stood up at the chair and I was like, why would you want to say something that you think would offend me? Very chill.
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Cause I was sitting, he was standing and he said to me, he said, oh, so now you're going to stand up and attack me. And I sat right back down. I was like, no, like not, no, not my point at all. I just wanted to have a conversation with you. And he said, I don't want to have a conversation with you. And he walked away.
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and that's what shook me up and then that's when I went outside took a second that's when Chris really comforted me and so there was look they have to get a lot into 42 minutes and so I'm not upset that that didn't make it to air I don't care like it was my experience and what happened but that's when I really broke I went into the diary room I broke down I talked to the big brother I honestly I told big brother like I don't really feel safe around him like this is
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very scary. Now my bed was next to his. Chris did say to me, like, I'll swap you beds. So that way, like there's a gap between you two. So we did that. I talked to my brother about that, whatever. But then I realized something. I realized that I can make an example out of this situation, whether it be a good example or bad example, I can make an example. And so I was like, all right, here we go.
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I'm going to make it my mission to realize where he's coming from and make him realize where he's coming from and make him realize. And so I wanted to honestly become friends with him. And I wanted to talk to him about his childhood. And I wanted to talk to him about why he's this way. why he isolates himself, where this all stems from. And we did have some good conversations.
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He wanted to learn a lot more about the community. We had conversations about literally straight up words that are on limits and words that are off limits within different minorities. We had conversations about baseball, about cruise ships, about his childhood. We had so many conversations. And I genuinely think he just has not had someone talk to him about anything normal in so long.
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And I think he was messed up as a child. And I think that's coming out now. And I think that came out in the fight with Christopher. And I think, like, he's not a good man. And I will stand behind that. And he's gross and he's creepy and he doesn't know right from wrong. But he's also a hurt man. And I can have sympathy for him being a hurt man while also not condoning his behavior.
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And I think once we finally got there and I realized that was the situation, like, yeah, I will say I feel sorry for him, but I will also say he's not a good guy. And I'll just see you later. You know what I mean?
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I think of it as like gentle parenting, any sort of situation of conflict. I think about gentle parenting, the conflict and the person that it's with. So like, you know, like get to his eye level, have a calm conversation with him. Don't yell at him for his behavior, but ask him why his behavior. You know what I mean? Like it's the best way to handle it is just think about gentle parenting it.
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No, I literally, while I was there, I was like, I cannot say he is like my favorite person to come out of a show because I have two other boys that I love so very much.
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You know, honestly, I'll be straight up. I'll be straight up. You all three are very different to me. Just because you are the three straight men in my life, you are all three so different to me. Our dynamic is very different. The conversations we have are very different. The conversations I have with you, the conversations I have with Ty, and the conversations that I have with Chris are different.
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Honestly, conversations that I wouldn't have the conversations I have with Chris, with you, and you with Tyler, and Tyler with you, and Tyler with Chris. You know what I mean? Like, I wouldn't. It's so very different.
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I knew he was on Love Island, UK because my brother's fiance was a big fan of the show. Okay.
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and gave me a heads up on him and I yeah I knew of him I never watched the series though someone in my life told me about his viral sound sit down I'm sat I did use that against him once in the house but I actually didn't I didn't know it because he was he said to me like he was like take a seat and I was like I'm sat and I didn't I did not like I wasn't consciously doing it but it was a really funny moment because he was like did you just use my line against me and I was like on accident really on accident I did um
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But yeah, so I knew of him, but I didn't know anything beyond Chris. He was on Love Island. You know what I mean? I didn't even know what he looked like, to be fair. When he walked in, I saw the name tag Chris. I was like, oh, that's the one from Love Island. You know what I mean?
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It's interesting. I feel like everything in your life happens for a reason, and Mickey doing that definitely... kick-started, you know, Chris and I's friendship. And I don't know, I think, you know, by luck, Chris was there. I don't know what it would have looked like if anybody else was there in that moment, what anybody else would have said, but it worked out exactly the way it was supposed to.
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And then I think that moment outside... what I really needed was a hug. You know what I mean? And I but it's day one. You can't ask for a hug from anybody. Also, like in my head, I'm like, it's day one. Don't cry. Well, you know what I mean? And so Chris could see that on my face and he could see that I wasn't OK and we didn't know each other.
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And it was just it was a moment and it felt very safe and very comforting. And then, yeah, when he when he swapped me beds, that meant a lot as well, because I was like, this feels nice. You know what I mean? Like it felt very protective and like I actually put trust into him being like, yeah, actually, he would, you know, pop him if he got up, you know, and I felt that.
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And then, yeah, just day by day, I mean, you're... It's such an accelerated environment, right? Like you are spending 24 hours together every single day. There's no other people. There's no outside contact. There's three rooms you can escape to. And so like you have to make your own fun. You have to get along. You have to have a good time.
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You have to, you know, be sad at times, but then find it and be happy. And I think what really brought Chris and I together is we're so similar. And like by virtue, we were next to each other at night. How are you similar? I think our energies are just so similar.
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Our wanting to have fun, our desire to have fun, our desire to be happy, our desire to make others feel good, you know, our desire to work out, our desire to just like there's just so many things that like he would like one day he he balled up a pair of socks and was like, Jojo, think fast and threw it at me. I caught it. And I was like, dude, we could play catch with this.
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And he was like, we could. So we started throwing back and forth. And he was like, wait, we need to make it better. And I was like, here, wrap my hair tie around it. It'll be like an actual ball. And then, you know, we made an actual ball and we were playing catch for hours. Like just like little by little, we just started to kind of get closer. And then we made up a dance together.
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And then we spent a lot of our time whenever we were bored, we'd be like, let's go rehearse. And then it was just always, always a laugh, always a good time. But I knew we were really close. when honestly it was pretty early on. It was the first Saturday and I was laying, we were laying in bed and like our beds were obviously next to each other. And I was looking at him and something was wrong.
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And I didn't know what, I don't know him. I've known him since Tuesday, but I could just, I could see that something was wrong. And so I asked him, I said, are you okay? And he was like, and I was like, what?
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are you it's okay like you can you know like if you need to talk like I know we don't know each other but like it's actually the same thing I don't know if you remember this but on forces when I told you I was like remember when we were in the we were in the accommodations room And it was the day that you were getting your first ultrasound.
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And you were going crazy. And I was like, talk to me. Pretend I'm Natalie. Pretend I'm your brother. Pretend I'm your mom. Pretend I'm somebody. Talk. And I said a similar thing to Chris. I was like, talk to me. Pretend I'm whoever you need me to be, but talk. And he essentially was saying something that's very similar to what I feel in life, which is I feel like I'm always...
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on and I love being on and I love having energy and I love, you know, making others feel good. And I love being silly and I love having fun, but I also love recharging. And here in this environment, you know, there is no recharge station. You're always, you're always going. And I just feel very drained right now. And I feel like sad for a second.
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And I didn't want to make it about me in that moment at all. So I kept it on him, but I was like, damn, I feel that exact same thing, but I've never been able to formulate it. And so that was a moment that I really realized like, oh, we're similar. You know what I mean? And then that was a moment when I realized like, oh, I understand him very well.
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And then for me, I mean, he was there for me in my lowest lows in the house always. I was having loads of realizations in the house that I didn't want to speak about. But you could see it in my energy and you could see it in my tone and my body language. And he was there for me throughout all that without talking through it. And same for him.
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And then our happiest, our highest of highs came from each other as well. So it was just, it was a perfect recipe to make a best friend.
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Not a clue. I mean, you have no clue what's going on in the outside world. I asked the diary room every single day, has Katy Perry made it back from outer space? That's what I cared about. And they were like, JoJo, we cannot tell you outside information. I was like, it's irrelevant.
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Honestly, I think zero prior to doing Big Brother.
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And now I think post-Big Brother, almost 100% is crazy.
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Thank you. That's it's something that like I think I've been around the opposite so much that it actually makes me.
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cringe when I see the opposite and I've I have people in my life that are similar and it's I don't know it's an energy that I love just around myself with because it's it's hard right but I also like I love that people want to say hi I love that people want to ask me for good luck on their dance recital like that's adorable if I was her age and I got to do that with Hannah Montana my life would be I remember going to Miley Cyrus' banger store and I handed her a t-shirt
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I still think about it to the day. I still question like, oh, I wonder if she remembers me handing her that t-shirt. And like, it's funny because Miley and I now have met and we have, you know, hung out and it's like.
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Oh, I showed her the video. And like, obviously she's on the bangers tour. Like she does not remember me at age nine giving her a t-shirt. But it's just funny.
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Ooh, this is, it's actually kind of hard to answer because I don't necessarily know the first, but I remember an early on. I remember, I'll just share. I remember looking at my photo and because everyone was looking at their photo and you know, Jack had his partner, Chris had his dog, Mickey had his dogs, Chesney had his family. Everyone had their photo and I had mine as well.
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And it was, it was a group photo with a load of people in it. But I remember looking at it and just thinking, hmm, I wasn't happy this day. And I remembered why I wasn't happy this day. And now I'm here looking at this photo, realizing there is not a single reason that I should not have been happy this day. I'm with my family in Disney World and it's Christmas.
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And that kind of made me honestly not be able to, there's actually a shot, I've seen it online. I don't know if it's in the episode or it was the live stream, but it's on the last or second to last day. And it's me staring at the photo and you can just see in my eyes, like something's wrong. But this realization started on the first day or the second day. Maybe the second day.
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And I just remember looking at that photo and being like, okay, what is this? What is this thought? And then that opened a cage of a few different areas of my life, to be completely fair and completely honest. It wasn't just one area of my life, but it just opened a can of worms that then... for a few days really did me in. Whenever I was occupied or doing something, I was so fine, so happy.
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Whether that was playing catch with Chris, dancing in the hot tub, playing pirates, whatever it was, if we were doing something, I was great. I was invested. My feet were there and I was feeling happy. The second that I had a time to think, and I remember I would just go sit on the bike and I would just think, my brain just started to run with, with,
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so many things that I have been okay with, I have tolerated that nobody should. And it's, it put a lot of things into perspective for me. And then at the end, those things got validated very quickly. I don't know, it was hard. It was hard to have those realizations and not be able to talk them through with anybody. Because obviously, I know that I'm in a very, very public place.
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And if I start talking about things like that's going to be something that goes on then outside that's out of my control. And I don't want that. I don't want to do that to anybody. But I'm also realizing that I'm in here having these realizations and I like super had to internalize it.
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And then I think it was actually the best thing for me because I had to formulate my own thoughts for the first time. I didn't have my friends, didn't have my family to help me formulate my thoughts. It was purely me. And that is It's such a weird concept because you formulate your thoughts without even knowing it with other people's opinions.
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Like you put an outfit on in the morning and you go and like, forgive me if this is wrong, but like you're a girl, so I'm assuming this is going to be right. You put an outfit on in the morning, you go see Nick, right? You say, good morning, babe. If he gives you a little bit of a different look, are you ever like, it's my outfit?
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And you think I'm ugly. Yeah. So you hate me. Yeah. So you think I'm ugly. You hate me.
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Like we have to split custody of the child. Like you go, you go there. And it's those little things that like I had to live without. But then also those big, big, big, big, big things that I then had to live without. And it was hard. It was difficult. But I think it was the best thing that could have happened for me in there.
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Um, look, I'll say this. I will say this. Out of respect for another human in the situation, they have asked to not speak about it, for me to not speak about them. And I told them, I said, look, that's going to make me seem like I am avoidant of the situation. I'm not avoidant of the situation. Obviously, a lot of people think that Chris has something to do with it.
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Chris does not have absolutely anything to do with it. Chris and I are friends. We have a very, very great friendship. It's a very strange, like, you are meant to be in my life. We have a very special bond. It's genuinely unlike any friendship bond I've ever created. But my situations are completely unrelated. And that kind of got misconstrued.
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And that's hard because, you know, it's kind of feeding a false narrative.
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Oh, I knew coming on the Vile Files, I was going to get into it. It's like, because I'm coming to the Vile Files, which is like hard pressing anyways, but then it's also with my best friend. So it's going to be even worse. We also just like want the tea.
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We also just want to know what's going on. And also Nick's like older brother vibes, like JoJo.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's kind of exactly what happened. So they said I broke up with them at the wrap party. That's not entirely the story. The story, you know, goes they had mentioned to production they did not want to come to the wrap party. And I said, all good. I'm going to go to the wrap party.
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Yeah, of course. Of course. Um, but it's not, it's not their environment and that's so fine. It's so fine. Like whatever. Um, but I'm going to go and I'm going to have a great time and I want to meet all the crew and it's a big deal and everybody's going.
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And so they, they also had gotten the families hotels and the cast hotels because you have to kind of come down and I'm already having all these crazy thoughts that I've been having in the house and I need to formulate this.
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them I need to talk to my mom I need to be alone I need to look at my phone I need to see what's going on I need to realize what am I feeling what are these thoughts I'm not in a place to talk so I'm in a place to have a fun cute opening conversation but I'm not in a place to actually talk yet and so I was honest about that and and I mentioned to them I said look I know you don't want to come to the after party but I'm gonna go and then
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I'm going to go to my hotel. It's going to be 3 a.m. I'm going to go on my phone. So why don't you go to yours and then I'll go to mine and let's reconvene tomorrow morning. And that upset them rightfully so. They wanted to be with me, but I knew I wasn't in a place for that. They didn't want to go to the wrap party, but they wanted to come to the hotel. But I was like, I'm just not.
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So we separated and they started driving to the hotel. I go to the wrap party. And then about an hour into the wrap party, one of the welfare teams said, hey, what's At the time, my partner said, I want to come now. I've changed my mind. What's the mood? So I took his phone. I filmed a video of the party. I said, this is not really your scene, but if you would love to come, come.
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And then something else happened. I got told something else that they didn't want. And it kind of made me feel like, okay, this is very strange. I really don't like this vibe right now.
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Yeah. And so when they got to the party, I, they had these little, like, they were kind of like banners for us. They were like little huts. And so we started to have a conversation and I was like, just come in here for 10 minutes. Let's just have a chat before we go over there. And that conversation started immediate and I was going to lead the talking, but then they kind of led the talking.
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And all I'm saying to every question they ask is, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Are you this? I don't know. Are you that?
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And then all of a sudden we're having it. And all of a sudden, you know, we're at the wrap party for Big Brother. I'm getting cussed out. It was very, the security guard kept turning around to me being like, and I was like, you know what I mean? Like, because I understand where they're angry and where they're coming at me. But I also keep reiterating, like, I'm not in a place to talk.
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Thank you. That means a lot. That's actually what the producers and production was saying about the show. They were like, we've never seen an impact like this one. I think it was just the perfect concoction of things. You know what I mean? And I think really, I know you guys have gotten to see the side of me that's like... Normal? Yeah. And so I think you've gotten to see that normal side.
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I was just with 13 people down to six, locked away for 20 days. I haven't spoken to anybody. I'm now in a room with 200 people. We're in this hut. It's outside. I haven't slept in 24 hours. I don't know what's going on. Oversimulated. I need to be alone. And now I'm just like, it's just a whirlwind. Anyways, by the 16th time somebody asks you, are you happy? Do you want to end things?
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You're going to just spew your guts. And I was honest. I said, if you ask me tomorrow, I don't know my answer. If you ask me right now, my answer is yes. And then that that obviously was taken as yes. And it was a yes and whatever, but then they don't want to be alone. So I was like, all right, look, come to the hotel. We can continue talking.
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Big brother is even more in the public eye. Yeah. I mean, maybe the most public eyes, literally the eye is the most public.
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He'd leave you for a day, but not that baby. Yeah.
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The Internet's having a heyday. It's our bond is beautiful. But our bond is what you saw. You know what I mean? There's not anything that we did that you did not see. You know, you saw the extent of it. And so I think people are always going to do what people do. And I think that people are always going to believe what they want to believe.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
People are always going to run with what they want to run with. And I think that's somewhere that I've always just kind of been okay with.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I don't know. I really don't know. And it's not my place to speak on behalf of them. I know for me, there should have been no questioning, especially around the boundaries of our relationship.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And I think I really, like, not intentionally hid that side of me, but almost didn't know how to be public with that side of my life. You know what I mean? Like, I always felt like I had to be super, you know, JoJo Suified. And I love being super JoJo Suified. That is a very real side of me. But... I also do live normal, believe it or not.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
No, because I straight up said, what are your boundaries? And I had a few boundaries for them while we were in the house. And they actually did
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
proceed to break those boundaries I will say that and that's something that it wasn't big enough for me to care about but it was something that I had specifically asked like hey look for the 20 days just can it with a few conversations and those conversations actually picked up more they had in-person ones as well and like that for me was like okay look I'm ending things anyways it's just another it's another reason you know I mean it was another another piece of pie on the plate but at that point it didn't really matter um no I I definitely never overthought anything with Chris
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I'll say this. It's really hard to speak on because we had a mutual agreement. Like, look, let's just cool it for a second. Like, we broke up for these reasons. And you know that, you know, you, Kath, posted a video basically alluding to Chris and I are the reasons that we broke up. That's not the case. That is not the truth. And they know that and I know that.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
So they were going to, you know, post their video again. But... Because they wanted to share their story but say, like, hey, I did give some misleading information. Like, JoJo and I have talked a bit more. Not here's the truth because I don't expect them to air out all the reasons why I did end things between us. Because if they did, you know, it would be a little crazy.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
But all good if they wanted to. But I don't think that's the right thing to do either. But... Following up that and them saying they were going to make that statement, I also was going on a morning show the next day with Chris, and we were going to shut the JoJo and Chris rumors down, and we were going to say we're friends. And I also was sure to say, look, life is life.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
You never know where life's going to take you, but I can tell you today, right now, Chris and I are friends. We have a great special bond, but we are friends. But... In regards to my ex now, the conversation that I had with them was they were going to do their video, give a little more context, and then they asked me to not speak about them.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And the only reason why I'm okay to briefly speak about them is because they reposted their video and gave no context. And then continued to let their friend, who actually, while I was in the house, did something pretty bad to them. Their friend has been going off on social media, trying to spread the same misinformation. And it's gotten deeper.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And so that's the only reason why I'm okay to speak on my behalf, out of protection for myself and out of protection for Chris. But I also don't want to speak about them because that was...
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
their request was to kind of leave them out of it again which i respect but it's like but it's hard because you don't get to do that and then you don't get to have it both ways like you don't get asked me for a business class flight home and then do that you know what i mean like it's like or just when i already got your plane ticket home you know what i mean like it's i don't know there's there's just a lot of a lot of business class
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I don't have a crazy Ninja Turtle makeup on my face with that bar eye mask every single day. So I think it was a really great way to kind of share that for the first time because it was out of my control and people just got to see it candidly. So it was cool to be in the UK and have people love it so much. It was getting out was a trip.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
You didn't put your ex in business class? No, I did not. And I was straight up. I was like, look, you posted the video again. You didn't give any context. Like, I don't feel comfortable asking my team to do that right now. Like, it's a mess. And we had a long talk about it not being a mess anymore. And it's a mess.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And I think that there's just so much misinformation out there that that would not be the right thing to do right now. Were you just as shocked as, like, the rest of us to see their video? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, absolutely was. I was actually, I was on the phone with my mom and I saw it on Instagram first and it was, you know, a cutoff. So I was like, oh, the full version must be on TikTok.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And then I saw the full 13 minute version and I was like, oh, I'll be genuine. I did not watch it.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
forever i did not watch it i did not watch it it's a movie it's a movie it's it's it's honestly i have gotten from an ex a 47 minute audio message before that takes the cake yeah because that was actually it was a tight typed out message that you could hear them flipping the page reading it off to me so the 47 script that was that was actually a tv show i'm gonna read a book about a relationship but please don't talk about it
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
No, literally. But yeah, I was definitely just as shocked. But I understand wanting to share your truth. And that is the exact thing that I told my ex. I said, look, if you would like to share what happened, if you would like to share how it happened, that's totally fine. It's your story. It's your life. Please do not lead
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
to the false narrative that's already out there that we are now going to say hey look guys like yes we're very close we have a beautiful bond we're meant to be in each other's lives but like can it with these for a second like well because it's like well one it's not true or accurate and it's just like again like it's also just kind of going against your whole literal whole identity and then it's painting a narrative there's so many reasons why my breakup happened yeah
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Christopher is not one of them. And I mean, look, and I actually told this guy, I was like, maybe it would be easier if he was. But, you know what I mean? Like, he is not one of them. So if you're gonna share the story, share the story.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Exactly. And it's, like... That's where it's, like, I understand. I understand Chris and I are very tight. We have this very beautiful bond, this very beautiful connection. But... Don't paint it out to look like I cheated on you with him because I did not. And that is, I will nail my feet into the ground and I will stand on that ground. I did not, I would not, and I have not.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
It was in October that I got like the initial meeting.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Did I say fuck being a lesbian? I don't remember saying that's not my understanding.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I also was around somebody who's super queer. And I was looking at Danny and Danny and I had had loads of conversations about, you know, being queer and gender identity. And it was weird. beautiful. And I come out of the house to see that. And I honestly, I'll be really honest. I see the lesbian community coming at me saying like, how dare you? Whatever.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
First of all, let's clarify a couple of different things here. Sexuality is fluid. Gender identity are fluid. You can be one thing today and one thing tomorrow. People saying to me that I have never been a lesbian is crazy. That is absolutely crazy. I fell in love with a female at age 17. And that same female is in my life. And I have a very special place for her.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Obviously, our relationship did not work out. But even right now, going through all this shit, she reached out to me today. And was like, you can always lean on me. And I was like, genuinely, I know. So to say that I was never a lesbian... It just... It's like people are searching for something. But also, why is it not okay to say that I feel more queer now? And I think I was very open.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I think a lot of people just jumped and said, oh, she's not a lesbian because... And I think that's just crazy again on people. But people love a story. And I can't blame them. But it's just... It's funny. It's funny how...
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
that really ticked people off when the whole thing in the lgbtqia community is like sexuality is fluid like god when i came out i came out as pansexual then i came out as lesbian then i was like maybe i am pansexual but then maybe i was like nah maybe i am a lesbian then i was like maybe i'm bisexual and i was like you know what i think i'm just gay don't know what that means and i was like yeah maybe i'm a lesbian and now i'm like ah you know what i think
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I'm just queer I think I just am I think I just exist I think I'm done having my eyes be so one-sided you know what I mean and I think I just now I'm like I can just exist clearly can't in this world well yeah I mean thanks for clearing that up I mean I the funniest thing to have to clear up it's so funny I know it's just
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Can I be so honest? I could literally care less because no one can decide my sexuality. Not even me. You know what I mean? I can't help what I feel. I can't help who I fall for. That's how I realized I was gay in the first place. And I think I had to learn at such a young age, honestly, with my height. People bully me for being tall. They said I was a giant tall and I was too tall for my age.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I don't know. I think I just love like this. This sounds good. I just love doing things. And like I think because I grew up on reality TV, that kind of feels like a home. You know what I mean? And I love a challenge. I love a game.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And I learned at that point, I can control a lot of things. I can't control my height. And then I realized the same thing with my hairline. And then I realized the same thing with my voice. And then I realized the same thing with my body weight. And then I realized the same thing with everything down the line. And so I think
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Now I'm at the point where it's like, oh, my God, people are really going there. Like you can't like you can't control that. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. People just people just jump. But I think part of the realization of being queer was me in the house realizing I'm not entirely happy. And maybe that's a side of me that's not happy. You know what I mean?
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Maybe that's I'm putting myself somewhere. And the thing is, queer is a very umbrella term. You know what I mean? It's very umbrella term and it kind of just encompasses the entire community. And I was like, that's where I feel. You know, I don't feel that's a lot of the talks that Danny and I had where you don't need to put yourself in a box within the community. You can just be.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And that was a beautiful conversation that him and I had. And that's kind of what made me realize, like, well, I don't need to be in a box. You know what I mean? It doesn't matter. I can have open eyes and an open heart and walk with one foot in front of the other.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
a lot of you know especially your music career is more this kind of brash you know shock value jojo not anymore babe you're we're done with that i'm done with that it's another realization that i had a big brother i was like i'm i'm faking this i am trying to do music to try and get as big of a click as possible and trying to you know shock as many people as possible and i'm like i'm not
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I always say to like I love the people that I meet and I always kind of know whenever I do a show like this, you know, you come out with somebody who was destined to be in your life. And so I'm always curious of like who that will end up being. Like with Forces, it was obviously you and Tyler. With Dancing with the Stars, it was my best friend Ezra and Jenna, my bro.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
happy with that so my next song coming out is actually it's called bulletproof and it's about not being bulletproof it's the video is is is purely dance and that's what makes me happy and it's it's fun it feels finally like back to just making art instead of making art that i hope will be successful like if it's successful great if it's not we'll try again with something else but i'm doing it because you know i love it so what specifically are you done with when it comes to your music career
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I think just not doing things anymore for the shock value, doing them because I love them or because I think it's going to be fun. I think that's one thing that as a kid, I really realized is when I had fun, that's what worked and translated well to the audience. And I think even coming out of Big Brother, I think I really found massive parts of myself and I almost remembered that.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
You know what I mean? And I was thinking, I was like, I don't need to be stressed doing a music video. I need to have fun doing it.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Um, honestly, I really don't. I don't see that being a challenge. That's actually something to like. And that goes back to the Chris conversation that he was having. That's one thing about his friendship that or just our dynamic. That's really nice is it feels so normal because we're both this like boom. And then it's like feels so normal when it's just like down.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And so like, I think I try to find that within friends, right? Where I can have those moments and I definitely have those moments, but I get what you're saying of like, is there ever a point where you would almost be like, all right, I'm, I'm call it retired. You know what I mean?
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Like there's, that's always a fun thing to kind of like for me to look forward to. But I think I just love doing something that's different. And I think it'd be crazy to say no to something like Big Brother. It just like, it's cool. You know what I mean? Like I'm a fan of it. So I'm like, why would I not?
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And honestly, I hate this answer because it's horrible and it makes me sad and I don't like it and I don't like to think about it. But yes, there will be a day where when my right hand man passes away and it will be the saddest day of my life because she is my mom. I will be done. And it's purely for the reason of I can do it without her, but I don't want to.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I think that she is the other half of my career. And I'm very grateful for that. She always has been. And I could do a show like Big Brother. I could come on your podcast. I could do stuff like that. But I could never do a music video or a live performance or, you know, star in a movie. I could do small little things here and there and have fun. Or your outfits. But what outfit would I wear?
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
At that point, give me babies, give me a house, give me a family.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I love indoor skydiving. And my brother's now an instructor. And so I always talk about I would open a tunnel and own a tunnel and employ him and let him run it. I also would open a dance studio in a heartbeat. Even keep the one I have now and just open it. I would, yeah, heartbeat. Like I will do something. Maybe I'll open a coffee shop. Who knows? Honestly...
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
knowing me, I'll figure out whatever it is my kids want to do and I'll start embracing that. And if they want to play soccer, I'll probably, you know, buy a soccer team and we're going to be the best soccer player there's ever been. Are you still stuck on Freddie, Eddie and Teddy or have you moved on? No, I've moved on. Are you going to do this one? Freddie's staying. Freddie is staying.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And my brother wants to name his... Get out of here. My brother wants to name their kid Golden and Goldie. Name it Goldie. So I was like, if his kid's name was Golden and mine was Silver, that's so cute.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
It's doable. Pretty Eddie and Teddy tattoo. Didn't you get it tattooed on you? No, I have not. Those are all fake. But I do have a child now from Big Brother. I don't know if he got much airtime, but yeah, Christopher and I had a child. There's a clickbait. But we had a child. His name is Chase. If you ask Chesney, though, his name is Lenny.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Obviously. But like... Who is custody? I do right now, but we have spoken about the custody and like we do have to split him. Yeah. Like we have definitely spoken about that. But like splitting like cross country, like he's... Yeah, like we'll ship him back and forth. Yeah, okay. Or like, you know, if Chris comes here, he can take him home. And then if I come there, I would take him home.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
They're so different. They're so different because Forces is grueling, right? It's tiring. It's exhausting. You don't know what you're doing. On Big Brother, you also don't know what you're doing. But Forces is very stressful, right? You're out of everything you know, which is similar. You're eating different, which is similar. but with forces, it's very like, oh, I could lose my life today.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
No, it was, I had just gotten my letter and my letter confirmed every thought and doubt that I already had. And then, yeah, so that was like, and I really wanted to confide in him and I wanted to talk to him and I wanted to tell him things, but I couldn't out of protection. And so, yeah.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Yeah, I did. And yeah, I found out that that letter, you know, had gone through a few like, are you sure that's what you want to say? And yes, I'm sure. And so that it was just hard. It just look, it verified everything I was already thinking. And that's that's OK. It's OK. And I think that they're a wonderful human, just not for me. And that's OK.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
You're a flight attendant. No, I, no, no, no. It's, it's, I want to, I want to breathe.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And I think I, for me, I jump quickly and I think maybe I just need to, you know, have fun, explore, explore myself, explore, you know,
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
people have fun um I'm definitely a connections person like I really care about comfort within somebody you know I'm not the type that's just like gonna go have a night out rail and get out like that's not my vibe at all I'm definitely somebody who's a a feeler and I'm a lover and I I don't know I think
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
No U-Haul anymore. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, I just want to live and I just want to be happy and I can say that I'm very, very happy. I'm very happy right now.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Yeah, I think I just, I think I realize, here's what I realize. Okay, let me, we're going to pretend you re-asked me, okay? What's your love life look like right now? I'm so happy where I'm at right now that I just want to stay here. Whatever that means, whatever this is, I'm great here.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
We did. We said bring your plus ones. Okay. Can I be fully honest? Can I be fully honest? I didn't know. And now that we're planning my brother's wedding, I didn't know how real wedding guests were. I didn't know that that was like a thing. And like, I see us inviting my brother and we're like, is the relationship that serious? Maybe we shouldn't invite them. Like, and so I see that now.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And I never realized with your guys' wedding. Do you know your wedding was the first one that I've gone to as like a conscious adult? Like I went to one as like a four-year-old.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Your wedding was like genuinely, oh, I guess I went to my cousin's, but like showed up, went out and like it's my cousin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like genuinely as a conscious adult, like first wedding I've ever gone to.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And like, you really think about that. You know what I mean? Or like, oh, I'm genuinely being a bit tortured right now. And like, you really think about that. Whereas Big Brother, it's like the torture man is wearing a cat costume for 12 hours and it's like silly. You know what I mean? But like the same way that it's very real, but instead of hearing, number three, battery change, you're hearing,
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
No, I don't care if you're dating the love of your life. They're not in those photos.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I'm very much so in on music. I love music. I love creating music. I love performing. I'm going on tour later this year all over North America and Canada. I am performing in Mexico City coming up. I'm performing in Chicago.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Would have been fun. Okay. There'll be more. There'll be more. Yeah. Um, yeah, I have, I have a lot of performances coming up, maybe even some back in the UK, which I'm very, very excited about. I'd get to go see my family over there now.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I really hope so. I really hope so. Um, I would think, I mean, look, we lived together and obviously him and I have a very, very, very special, special little connection together. And so I think, I give us about like a week of not being around each other to be like, hey, like really miss you. Like actually miss your presence. And like we've spoken so much since we've left, obviously.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
But yeah, it's really weird to go from living together doing. I mean, and you're not just living right and sleeping and eating. Like think about everything you do on a day to day basis. Like you walk into your closet and you get dressed.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
and you're out in the kitchen cooking breakfast right you're that doesn't happen there there is no closet that you go into just to get dressed you're dressing in front of each other you shower in front of each other like it's like you are purely living together and then with 13 other people and so it's like once you gravitate towards each other you just do it's like you saw chris's penis
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
um no did see his ass okay did see his ass um and everybody saw it straight on camera um but yeah no i i actually i didn't see one penis while i was there really yeah do they have like the fog in front of like they do yeah they have the fog um yeah no no no pps were shown um thank god thank you i don't know if i recover if i don't think no i don't think i don't i don't think any of us yeah
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Some of the things that I mean, OK, look, genuinely right now, everyone has been saying, what was the 48 hours? What did you draw in his hand? What are Chris and Jojo?
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
housemates new batteries are in the hatch please replace you know what i mean so it's like they're very similar i think personally for myself because i'm in this week i would say big brother i like doing more i think i as much as i learned about myself on forces i think i learned way more about myself my life changes i wanted to make in my life on big brother i think because it was just longer
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Can I be so completely honest? Don't remember. Don't remember exactly at all. We used to talk for the first few nights. We talked genuinely for like an hour and we would just laugh and we would talk and like about nothing. Like we just like tried to stay awake.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Yeah. I'll be, I'll be so honest. I wish I could explain it. It's interesting when I sent, I sent Chris a sappy text. Um, when I left, cause it was very sad. I was very sad to leave the UK in general. I was very sad to leave the big brother family. I was very sad. He was the last person that I saw cause we were doing this morning together, which is morning talk show over there.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And in that sappy text I wrote and I said, I, I love that. I can't explain. I love it because it just is, it just exists. I think that it's, People can see that whatever it is, is special. And it doesn't, that there's so many different kinds of special. I have so many people in my life that have come into my life and I've gone, oh, they're different.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
They're a different person in my life and they're meant to be here. And he is a layer of that and a level of that. And I don't want to spend time, effort, energy on trying to convince somebody of something. It's not worth it. We had a great time together. We will continue having a great time together.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
A lot of people in the beginning thought our friendship wasn't genuine, thought we were using each other. That was honestly hilarious to us because we were like, we would... take each other off in two seconds if we weren't genuine. You know what I mean? And so, yeah, I think that the world, no matter what, and Chris has said this as well, like the world is just going to do what the world does.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And people are going to talk and people are going to have theories and people are going to come up with things. And the funniest part of it all is Chris and I are going to play tennis and go for a roast and you know, see the same thing that the world sees and laugh and have a good time and enjoy it and practice our dance and be happy and be people in each other's lives for hopefully ever.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Yeah. It's just, it's, it's just, who wouldn't want to have fun? Who wouldn't want to have a good time? Who wouldn't want to make a friend? You know what I mean? I think, and we're both very similar in that way. And I'm, yeah, it's, it's a very special, it's a very special friendship that just is one of the last things I said to him on the show.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Like you were meant to be in my life and I'm grateful that this has brought you into it.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
and instead of having your brain be like, Oh my God, I'm going to die. Oh my God, do I want to be here? My brain was thinking like so many deep thoughts about my life. And so it was, I don't know. It was just kind of an interesting feeling, but give me a year when both are far out of distance. And I'm sure I would, I wouldn't know what my answer would be.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And Forces is meant to break you, whereas Big Brother is meant to like, you're meant to have fun. Like the whole thing, the whole welfare team is like, you're going to have the best time. Enjoy it. It's 20 days. It's also much longer than Forces was. But yeah, it's exactly that.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
did you go in like with any expectations or like an idea of what you wanted to get out of it or was it just like you said like let's go sounded fun i want to do something yeah look let's fucking do it i don't know i think the expectation that i went in with was just like yeah it's gonna be 20 days right i i think honestly the biggest thing that was different for me is i really thought
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I was going to miss home. I really thought I was going to be like feeling like, oh, I'm in a foreign country. I don't know anybody. I feel very lonely. I miss my family. I miss my dog. I miss my house. I was kind of thinking all of those things going in and I was really like amping up like, oh, I'm going to miss this.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
But then I think it just immediately was so fun and the people were so lovely right away. And then like, you know how normally like you meet people right away and then it kind of like wears off? Like with 90% of the people, it never wore off. You know what I mean? Like it was, everyone was genuine from the beginning.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And so I think I got lucky being surrounded by a beautiful group of people in the house. I definitely didn't think it was going to be as like intense as it is because you like, you see us doing like the pirate task, right? And I don't know how much of it you watched or not, but we did this big pirate task where we had a pirates. I was a captain, yada, yada, yada. That starts at 9 a.m.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And we finish the pirate task at 2 a.m. And you're, like, in costume. Like, it's intense. That was the longest one because that was the day that Mickey got evicted. And so, like, they had to, like, have some meetings quick. So we kind of got, like, backburnered in the house. Literally, there was, like, three or four hours where we were like, so what are we doing? Like, nothing's happened.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
No movement from Big Brother. Like, everyone just, like, keep watch, I guess. Like, hopefully no enemy ships come because that's what we had to watch for. But we were... clearly just in like a holding period but we didn't know that but then yeah like the family task it's like 9 a.m. to 8 p.m.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
like everything is so you would think it'd be like okay put on your cat costume for two hours let's get a little and then like take it off no no it's all day long and that's like they do the time stamps in the show but it like still like it doesn't it doesn't translate to genuinely how long it is and like
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Yesterday I was watching an episode and they put in my dance challenge and I had to dance to like power up the house and they put it in for two minutes and I was livid. I was like, there's an absolutely no way. My mom was like, what? And I was like, you think I was that exhausted after dancing for two minutes? And my mom was like, I mean, yeah, you were going for it.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
No, exactly that feeling. Exactly that feeling. Because I was like, I was dancing for 20. It was like, okay, 20 is dramatic. I won't be dramatic. I'll say 17. Like 17 minutes. Like I'm not being dramatic when I say 17. I was being dramatic when I said 20.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
We call him Voldemort. We call him 50-50. 50-50? Yeah, he always used to do this thing. We'd be like, Mickey, did you sleep good? 50-50. Mickey, are you having fun? 50-50.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I had no clue who he was. Really? And he was the only person that walked in without a name tag. So I didn't know him at all. And I had to say, what's your name? And he said, Mickey. And I said, okay, cool. Nice to meet you. I had zero clue. Was anyone in the house kind of like, oh my God. Yes. Honestly, I think everybody else. I don't know about Ella.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I don't know how much she knew about him, but everybody else knew who he was. Loved him. Honestly, initially.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
That now. Okay. Honest to God. Now knowing Mickey and knowing the way he is and knowing what he's down for and what he's not down for. I am flabbergasted that he got into that conga line. I'm flabbergasted.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
No, also that we, I have a theory and it's just a theory. I think production told him, but I don't think he listened. And then I think he listened to this person in his life named Dima. And Dima is his quote unquote best friend, but it sounds more so as Dima's maybe an employee.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I'm sure he's apparently always with him. So I'm sure he's a man. I believe so. Yes. But yeah, he was very open about conversation with Dima. So I wouldn't expect it to be a secret at all.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I think, I mean, he's, I said, how often do you get to see Dima? And Mickey said, I see him every Monday through Friday, nine to five. Okay. And so I'm pretty sure Dima is like an assistant. An employee. He's reluctant from nine to five. He's reluctant from nine to five. Honestly, I will say a piece of me kind of did feel for Mickey a little bit because he got out on...
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
saturday and so i knew he got out on saturday and like as he should like i don't feel bad for him getting evicted or kicked out because he needed to be but he got out on saturday and i knew he went out to nobody and i knew he wasn't gonna have dima until monday and like a part of me did feel like sorry for him i think he's a messed up man and there's no excuse did you take his comments well how did you take his comments because it's like
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
He was just bizarre. He was. It's a great way to put him. He's just bizarre. He's a character. He's like, what is he doing? Everybody picks their bed. He goes to the couch or make you write on the couch. I haven't slept in a bed in 52 years. I only sleep on couches. OK, cool. Shits everywhere. You know what I mean? Like he's just he's just put shit everywhere.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I mean, to my knowledge, he may have shit everywhere and someone else cleaned it. But no, he put his shit everywhere. He put his shit on my bed. I honestly worked for like an hour to work up the courage to be like, hey, can you take your stuff off my bed, please? But I was like, I shouldn't feel bad about it. It was a mess. Anyways, he was just bizarre.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And then he turned the next day is when things got a little like, When he went into the prize room, he said to me, he said, I got you the best prize of all, but you can't know it yet. And so I was like, that was like our first like kind of interaction.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I think absolutely nothing. I think absolutely nothing. Honest to God. I heard he got interviewed at the airport by TMZ and they said, what do you think of Jojo? And he said, who?
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Oh, no. I can guarantee if I saw him on the street and I said, Nicky, he'd go, oh, hi, sweetheart. You want a picture? Like, he would not know who I am. I can guarantee that.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And I would say genuinely same thing about everybody on the show. Like he wouldn't, maybe daily. He might remember daily.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
He's very in his own world, in his own head. He walks on this line and it's Mickey's line and that's it. That's where it ends. Anyways, what was the original? He said he got you the best prize of all. Yes. And so that was kind of our first interaction. And then his prize was he got me into the prize room. And that was honest. I was stoked about that.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
But truthfully, I think he only did that because the people he gave prizes to was me. He picked me and Christopher. But when he picked Christopher, I guess he said the Australian with pretty eyes. And they were like, there's not an Australian here. And there's a few people with pretty eyes. And so he was like, you know, like the one with.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And so then they named off Chris and then he was like, yeah, yeah, Chris. And then with me, I think he just was probably like the annoying girl. You know what I mean? Like that's I haven't seen that part. I don't know what he said. But anyways, that was our first interaction. And then the next day he brushes his teeth in the sink.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I tried to help him be like, hey, there's a big bathroom because he just didn't see the bathroom. And so I was very genuine about that. And he didn't want anything to do with it. I was like, oh, good. And then he wanted to know where the cigarette room was. And he asked me. And so I took him out there. And it's an off-camera cigarette room.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
There's a microphone in there and you can't get out of the house through there. But you can go in there to have a smoke and then come right back out. It's a black box. It's four by four. It's nothing.