John R. Miles

And there's nothing worse than having a board that has to react at the last minute to try to salvage something that they could have gotten ahead of way far in the future. So what would be along these lines, your biggest bit of advice that you could give a founder or startup on how they should pick their board and how they should treat them?

Well, it absolutely does. And you two now have a ton of experience of being on boards because you've invested in over a hundred companies. So you bring some very valuable insights from that. And one of the things I wanted to ask along those lines is one of the most powerful lines in the book I thought was it's inside their struggles that entrepreneurs often find their reward.

Well, it absolutely does. And you two now have a ton of experience of being on boards because you've invested in over a hundred companies. So you bring some very valuable insights from that. And one of the things I wanted to ask along those lines is one of the most powerful lines in the book I thought was it's inside their struggles that entrepreneurs often find their reward.

Well, it absolutely does. And you two now have a ton of experience of being on boards because you've invested in over a hundred companies. So you bring some very valuable insights from that. And one of the things I wanted to ask along those lines is one of the most powerful lines in the book I thought was it's inside their struggles that entrepreneurs often find their reward.

Can you, one of you take us inside a moment where that was especially true for you?

Can you, one of you take us inside a moment where that was especially true for you?

Can you, one of you take us inside a moment where that was especially true for you?

I want to get back to this whole journey with Salesforce in a second, but I just want to ask a follow-up question because I think what you just talked about about burnout is important because I found. Myself almost in the same spot that you did. I had found myself overweight, not in great health, not in great mental health.

I want to get back to this whole journey with Salesforce in a second, but I just want to ask a follow-up question because I think what you just talked about about burnout is important because I found. Myself almost in the same spot that you did. I had found myself overweight, not in great health, not in great mental health.

I want to get back to this whole journey with Salesforce in a second, but I just want to ask a follow-up question because I think what you just talked about about burnout is important because I found. Myself almost in the same spot that you did. I had found myself overweight, not in great health, not in great mental health.

I was trying to put on a great face at work, but behind the scenes, I was anything but doing well. And in the book, there's this line, the relationship with hard work from a pit of deep uncertainty lives in the heart, not the head. But there's a cost to that heart-driven work.

I was trying to put on a great face at work, but behind the scenes, I was anything but doing well. And in the book, there's this line, the relationship with hard work from a pit of deep uncertainty lives in the heart, not the head. But there's a cost to that heart-driven work.

I was trying to put on a great face at work, but behind the scenes, I was anything but doing well. And in the book, there's this line, the relationship with hard work from a pit of deep uncertainty lives in the heart, not the head. But there's a cost to that heart-driven work.

And so my question is, how do you protect yourself from burnout, which as you went through and I went through is so easy to find yourself on the path to experiencing.

And so my question is, how do you protect yourself from burnout, which as you went through and I went through is so easy to find yourself on the path to experiencing.

And so my question is, how do you protect yourself from burnout, which as you went through and I went through is so easy to find yourself on the path to experiencing.

And that could be as simple as taking a walk, taking breaks, doing a short workout.

And that could be as simple as taking a walk, taking breaks, doing a short workout.

And that could be as simple as taking a walk, taking breaks, doing a short workout.

Well, thank you for sharing that. And I wanted to go back to this journey because I understand the whole thing started in a hospital room where Cass, you were giving birth, I think to your third child. And I know you have a child named Miles. So I love that. You love that name spelled differently. But so you're, you had just had a C-section, you're recovering and