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The Zach Lowe Show

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It's funny because they had this like three-year window of competence where they were like a real team. And then they were like, no, no, no, let's go back to being the old Kings. Let's, you know, bring back all the people from the 2002 Kings to run the team and bring back Scott Perry, who's, you know, it was Scott Perry with Vlade. And then I don't think they could have,

The Zach Lowe Show

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done the press conference to bring back Vlade as the GM. So instead he's just like on the side whispering in Vivek's ear, right?

The Zach Lowe Show

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They certainly were not scouring Europe for promising Finnish coaches, let's say. That was not part of their plan.

The Zach Lowe Show

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I still go. I don't know. Should he be making what Devin Vassell gets?

The Zach Lowe Show

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I don't know. The whole question of their direction is like they're the old Charlotte team that was chasing the eighth seed every year. I mean, that to me is what they are now. Because they don't want to tank, but they're not actually good.

The Zach Lowe Show

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I do think you have to figure out if there's a market for Sabonis. I think you're probably going to find out pretty quickly that there's not, especially because that, I mean, that renegotiate and extend was so over exuberant on him. I think that was one of their original sins. You know, they, they have him on the book now, even this year at 43.6.

The Zach Lowe Show

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And even though Sabonis has, he's a valuable player, he's made all-star teams. He's very durable and, But I just don't know that he's a flavor that a lot of other front offices like as far as actually building the team around. There's a few guys like that that we're going to end up talking about, I think. And so you're almost stuck then trying to make the best out of this year.

The Zach Lowe Show

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I think, I mean, you do have a little bit of float below the tax line. It's tough having a backup center making 10 now with Valanchunas. That clocks things up too. I mean, can you get something for DeRozan at this point? I'm not really sure what his market is either. He's kind of the same type of thing. Same thing with Levine.

The Zach Lowe Show

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Like they have these guys that kind of other teams aren't super excited about having.

The Zach Lowe Show

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I would lean that way too. Yeah, you could. You make your life a little easier in 26-27 if you, say, have him opt out of that year and sign for like three for 35 or something. then you have him for those extra years also. And, and I'm just not sure what you're getting is, you know, he's getting, be getting into his thirties then.

The Zach Lowe Show

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I agree with you. He actually, I mean, he did, especially like right after the trade, he did play pretty well. But yeah, it's hard to commit to that long term, especially when you're counting on him to be your second best player, I guess. And Sabonis is your best player?

The Zach Lowe Show

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I tell you what's not crazy is a three-way trade where Sabonis ends up in Phoenix, Durant ends up someplace else, and Sacramento gets stuff.

The Zach Lowe Show

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The Portland one would be interesting if it didn't involve Aiden going back to Phoenix. Because I do think the Blazers want to try to win this year. The other thing, it does jam up their cap at a time when their guys are starting to come up to get paid. So that makes things a little tricky for them, too. When you have Shaden Sharp coming up for an extension.

The Zach Lowe Show

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You have Anthony Simon's contract running out. What are they going to do with him? So... A couple of situations to work on there. Um, if there was a way for them to move off of Jeremy Grant at the same time or at another deal that happened kind of the same timing, I think that would get really interesting. Um,

The Zach Lowe Show

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Yeah, I just, for SAC, they probably see that as too much of a reset, unless they were getting Simons in it too, but then the Blazers need to figure out if they believe in Scoot enough to just make him a full-time starter.

The Zach Lowe Show

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James Harden, player option, right? Made the all-star team. Only on the books for 36 next year. So what do you do there? You actually are under the tax for the moment, right? But you don't have a ton of flexibility. You were kind of proven to be good to a point with the roster you had. Not really capable... of making huge improvement unless you just bone somebody in a trade. Right.

The Zach Lowe Show

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They did a great job to get this team back to the point. I think all of us thought the Clippers would win like 35 games this year. And I was dead wrong about their, they played great defense. They nailed all the role player signings, like great job. I think they were looking at being a player at free agency for 26 and And now Kawhi comes back and plays and looks sort of like the old Kawhi.

The Zach Lowe Show

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And it makes you wonder. You have a Norm Powell extension question. Had a great year, but he's in his 30s. He makes 20 this year. What do you really want to do there?

The Zach Lowe Show

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I tend to agree with you. Or do you sell high on him? And the most provocative thing is, is now the time to cash in your Kawhi Leonard chips?

The Zach Lowe Show

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Yeah, I think... I think it's hard. I think they probably... Even if they made the calls, I think they would find out, like you said, that people are so spooked by his injury history that you're just not going to get a whole lot. I mean, even the... I mean, even look at what the Spurs got when Kawhi was awesome, right? Because people were worried about his knees. So...

The Zach Lowe Show

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I think that's, that's definitely an issue, but then, so what are you doing then? Are you, are you pushing it out to say, well, maybe we'll be a cap player in 27 instead. Can you get James Harden to just sign for two years? Even, even if you give him a good, good number, probably a raise off his 36, maybe go a little bit into the tax this year, leave the norm thing kind of hanging. Um,

The Zach Lowe Show

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So there's some interesting questions here. And then they still need to do a little bit of work, I think, on the back end of the roster this offseason, get a real backup five, right?

The Zach Lowe Show

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Yeah, the Clippers signed Mann to that extension, regretted it pretty quickly, and then were able to get off of it and get assets. I think the Hawks overreacted to how bad Bogdanovich looked in the first half of last season. I mean, he wasn't feeling great physically. And, like, he was really struggling. Like, there's no other way to slice it. Ed...

The Zach Lowe Show

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he looked better physically at the end of the year with the Clippers was even like getting offensive rebounds in the Denver series. And I actually talked to him in LA. He's like, yeah, I feel a lot better. And so I think the, yeah, that was a great trade by the Clippers to get off of a, a mistake. I think man can do some things for Atlanta. Like he's a good shooter.

The Zach Lowe Show

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If he has his feet set in the corner, he can play some D play with some energy, but the Hawks, the way they're set up right now, they need more creation than he can give them. And so he's, he wasn't that productive for them and he still got three more years at 15 and a half.

The Zach Lowe Show

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Well, it was because he basically made the initial trade too, even though Travis Schlenk theoretically had the conch then. Did he or did the owners make that trade? It was a combination of the two basically. So, yeah, that was kind of where everything went.

The Zach Lowe Show

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I think... I think they want to bring Nance back, yes. They liked having him in the locker room. They liked having him as a kind of fifth big. I'm not sure if they're bringing him back as a rotation guy. A, I mean, he can't stay healthy enough to be a true rotation guy. B, they need another big five on that team. I mean, Okonwu... Okongwu was good in a lot of ways, but he's 6'8".

The Zach Lowe Show

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Anytime he's matched up against Towns or one of these big fives, he just kind of gets overwhelmed. They need somebody with true center size on that team.

The Zach Lowe Show

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Yeah, I think the only... Trey Young trade that's going to be out there is like an exchange of problems, like the triangular Trey Young for LaMelo Ball for Ja Morant trade, you know? No, no. Something like that. Vetoed.

The Zach Lowe Show

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You know, there had been whispers about San Antonio. Obviously, that's not happening anymore. I don't have a great landing spot for him. Like, could the Kings –

The Zach Lowe Show

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Okay. Trae Young with Sabonis would be interesting if the Kings were willing to take a step back. Right? Yeah.

The Zach Lowe Show

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I don't think that's what Brooklyn wants to be yet. Unless Brooklyn had another Max guy coming in. You know, if Brooklyn was like getting Giannis and wanted another guy with him or something.

The Zach Lowe Show

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You're trading John Collins back to Atlanta on the same contract that they tried so hard to get rid of.

The Zach Lowe Show

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Yeah. So then you get to, do you extend him? Or do you play out the year? I think you probably try to get the extension done, but can you do it for less than the max? That's the real question. Well, that's one to your point, Lake.

The Zach Lowe Show

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Absolutely, yeah, yeah. It becomes everyone's looking at their watch then, 100%.

The Zach Lowe Show

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because they, I find it so interesting that they did the Suggs extension the way they did to essentially make themselves a tax team this coming year to try to reduce the hit and the out years when they have Wagner and presumably Boncaro on max deals. I'm sure there's going to be super max language and Boncaro's extension. So that could end up being even more expensive.

The Zach Lowe Show

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They have four players with team options, uh, They probably will decline all four, I'm guessing.

The Zach Lowe Show

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Actually, they might pick up that option on Joseph because he was – he ended up – he very quietly had a really dramatic comeback year, ended up starting for them in the playoffs, and kind of deserved to be out there. It has really kind of reignited his career. It's kind of a fascinating story that's kind of gone under the radar.

The Zach Lowe Show

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I think what they have to do is try to they've talked about bringing in some older guys. I think they're going to cut bait on some of these young guys who haven't worked out as much. Like, can you trade Cole Anthony and Jet Howard? That's 18 million in salary and like trade for Anthony Simons, maybe if you throw in a pick or something and kind of get a real shot creator job.

The Zach Lowe Show

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into your offense that way. Like, I think they, they understand now they need like a, somebody who could, a point guard who can touch the paint and not have all the shot creation fall on Paolo and Franz.

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He's expiring this coming season. Okay, so then he's going to what? One year left at 27.7. So you probably need to get an extension done in the same transaction.

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Ooh. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Sort of. He's sort of there, Jalen Green, that does two things at once at that number. I could see that. I mean, the thing you did mention, they also have that Wendell Carter extension kicking in. where his salary goes from 10.8 to 18 on the extension. So that's a tricky one now, too, where they may have overreached a little on that.

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They still have Goga's salary for two more years, which is a nice deal, but if he's not going to play in the playoffs and they're going to be this top-heavy, you can't really have a guy making eight who doesn't play.

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Yes. Yes. And then they... Now, they still have all their picks. They could still do something big, right? If they wanted to. I don't know if they have the appetite for it still. I think they still envision themselves as being a team with Paolo and Franz as the two best players. but they, you know, like if they wanted to get in on Giannis, they, they certainly could, right.

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If they wanted to do something big like that, I, again, I don't sense the appetite for that, but they could be a player if they wish to.

The Zach Lowe Show

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You're allowed to negotiate on these Supermax deals. Right? And Mobley's third season wasn't amazing. It wasn't so amazing that it was like, we have to give him everything. This is the moral hazard argument that I remember hearing. The Cats did set up his contract to only give him 27.5% of the max if he made 13 All-NBA.

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They just left the language in for 30% if he won Defensive Player of the Year, which he ended up doing because Victor got hurt.

The Zach Lowe Show

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Yeah, yeah. So they did at least do a little bit to try to protect themselves from But the other thing they did, to your point, they got under the tax this year at the trade deadline so that they could be expensive the next two years. I think that was part of their plan. And that they have a two-year window. You look at the run on Hunter's deal in particular, where he makes $23 and $25.

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You're not taking that on unless you had a plan to be expensive. So you have a two-year run with him, two-year run with Struess at $16. Okoro is also timed on the same thing, although they got to figure out how to dump that salary, I think.

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I mean, you can't have $11 million in money that's non-performing in the playoffs on a roster this expensive, especially if you want to bring back Jerome, bring back Merrill. That's going to involve some hard choices. Do they have to move off of Dean Wade, maybe? No. You know, who's like a movable 6.6. And also shot poorly in the playoffs. Yeah.

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Or do they have to, you know, do they have to see if Jalen Tyson can move up in the world and take some of those Merrill or Jerome minutes? That's where it gets tricky. Because, yeah, because the only other way to trade yourself out of this realistically is to move Garland. Right? And I think that feels a little too... big.

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I think one of the things that really hurt them in that series was that Garland wasn't a hundred percent. And so Mitchell had to be kind of the point guard, which is not really the thing that he is. And that hurt them. And I think you look at that series, there was, there was definitely shot variants that didn't help them, particularly in game one.

The Zach Lowe Show

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And then the injury issues that, that hit them not having Mobley Hunter or, or, Garland for game two, which they still should have won if not for a horrific collapse at the end. So I think you're correct. I think they, they try to run it back, live with being really expensive and they've given themselves kind of this two year window of, And then they figure it out.

The Zach Lowe Show

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But in the meantime, all they're left with is minimums, working the edges, and then they got to see if there's a dumping ground for Okoro somewhere. Maybe you run it back with Okoro and try to dump him at the trade deadline. You know you're going to be – the advantage of dumping him before the season is that it takes the second apron out of play.

The Zach Lowe Show

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But if you're not going to be aggregating money or doing the other stuff, then it doesn't matter. You can trade him during the season.

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If they were going to do something, it would probably involve Allen just because it's three straight playoffs where you just couldn't count on him. And... He had the weird rib injury last year. He turned into a pumpkin against Mitchell Robinson in 23.

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And then this year, he just didn't give him much in a matchup against a not hugely imposing Pacers frontcourt where you think he could have eaten a little more. Now, some of that maybe was that he missed Garland. He doesn't depend on self-created shots. So not having Garland creating for him, I think, did hurt. And he's, he's still at an awesome number for one more year at 20 million.

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So like you can say, okay, you got to move Jared Allen, but what do you, what are you realistically getting back that fits in that salary slot? That's what gets tricky. But I wonder as time goes on, Mobley fills out, becomes probably more of a full-time five. Are you better off trading Jared Allen for somebody who's six, eight?

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Yeah, 100%. And the Lakers' issue is that because they only have five players that they can actually trust in a playoff game, they really can't put one of them in a trade for another player. They just need more real basketball players. It was so obvious in the Minnesota series, especially, where it's like, wow, the Lakers have three guys who would crack Minnesota's top eight. So...

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I think because of that, yeah. Any Laker deal, it has to be like Kleba, Vincent, something like that, Vanderbilt. That has to be the outbound money. And then they put the picks in to incentivize the trade to get their... to get their rim runner and connect baby.