Joe Scarborough
Appearances
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
It's great to be here. And congratulations on the podcast, Mark. It's really just taken off.
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
Right. Yeah, correct. And I'd love to get into that. I'd love to get into that a little bit more after you go through these initial bullet points, only because certain skills lend themselves to governing, certain skills still lend themselves to politics and running for president. And yeah, there's a strong dividing line there on what he was capable of and not capable of.
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
Right. And just so people know, as you're going through all this, this is literally something that we have talked about, I think, every day since 2019. When one day I would express more concern, one day you would express more concern. And an ongoing debate going into 2020, is he really going to run? Going all the way back and throughout 2022, 23, 24. Yeah, it is just so.
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
So when you say we've talked about this, this isn't like once every three weeks. This has been a running obsession on the state of whether he's going to run, whether he's capable of running.
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
Yeah. Exactly. And you're going to play, I'm sure, the Biden at his best clip in a little bit. That came after I spent two and a half, three hours with him. So, yeah, so much of it is based on observation. And then, of course, you see a debate and you're like, well, no, maybe not. So, yeah, but you're right, though.
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
But it would sort of go back and forth between us over the past five, six years on this.
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
Yeah, I will say also, I think in 2017, well, I'll tell you, I actually I had I had talked about Bo's death on on the show and had had talked about that extraordinary event. that Bobby Kennedy gave after the death of Martin Luther King. And he talked about the awful grace of God. And I... spoke about Bo that way, the awful grace of God, drip by drip, until we understand actually the mercy.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
And he called me then, and I thought back on it a good bit. I really do think so. If you're talking about 2017 book events, So I think those really good and really bad days certainly accelerated after the death of Beau Biden. And I suspect also, Utter also. This was Mika's operating theory during the campaign.
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
Utter's conviction and all of those problems also just, again, had a profound impact on him. I think 2019 was the first time I called you and said, I'm not sure if this guy is going to run. And I think we agreed on that based on some observations.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
I think this may be where we disagree. I mean, Joe Biden's always been Joe Biden. Joe Biden's always said crazy things. You go back to the 1987 campaign, you go back to, you know, you go back and you look at what happened in 2007, 2008. But that's speaking inartfully.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
I don't know. Again, this is the sort of thing, there are a couple of things like this that we agree on so many things. There are a couple of things that we disagree on. And one is the Congresswoman who had passed away that he mentioned that I'm sure we'll be looking at too. Where I look at that as being Joe Biden getting up there, getting flustered, and
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
You know, he's he's had in his recording, you know, sort of recording in his brain since he was 19, 20, since he was 29. I'm Joe Biden. I'm running for Senate. And I'd love your vote. I think also, Mark, and you mentioned this before, we've both got nothing. I've unfortunately spent 30 years talking way too much.
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
And, you know, there'll be times I will I will say Mitterrand, you know, Mitterrand and Trump just don't get along. And, you know, it'll be like. during the break where Alex will get in my ear. I'm sorry to interrupt you. No, I say Alex will get in my ear and say it's Macron, not Mitterrand. You think that clip is telling.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
Let me ask you, though, because this happens with other politicians. We've seen other politicians do this before, and this is not whataboutism, but when Donald Trump talked constantly about World War II and when he talked about all the other crazy things he did,
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
It was Nikki Haley. Nikki Haley. Exactly. I think they're both from South Carolina. But but yeah, I mean, I I've seen that a good bit, especially in older politicians. And I think for me, the question is, is, you know. Does that impact his governing or not? I also this is a great mystery for me, Mark. And maybe you can help answer this. So you see a through line that through 24.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
That to me is like bumbling Joe Biden that I've I've seen for a very long time. But when when do you think when did you first notice that? This decline. Do you trace it back to 2017?
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
Yeah, I mean, that's a concern, and it was reported on, I'm sure. Barely. So what would you have, at that point, do you pull up the stakes and say because he did that, get out of the race?
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
You know, I think that maybe the reason I look at it that way is because, again, everything is context. And you say, well, don't bring up Donald Trump. That's in context. And what was also going on at the same time, the people whose heads were blowing up about Joe Biden were completely fine with Donald Trump.
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
I mean, there was an ongoing conversation either with... between myself and the president, myself and people around him. And... I think if I had ever had a conversation with him where I had had that concern, then that would have been far more challenging to me. But again, no doubt, that's a bad day at the office, no doubt about it.
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
Well, and again, it's not just that meeting. I remember writing an op-ed in the Washington Post. The wider context of your contact with him. Yeah, the wider context. And I remember early on... No, actually, it wasn't Afghanistan. It was Ukraine. And I wrote a Washington Post op-ed that said, Joe Biden needs to stop telling Vladimir Putin what he's not going to do. Joe Biden...
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
He needs to start telling Vladimir Putin what he is going to do or just keep your mouth shut, basically. And went through all the reasons why being overly cautious on the issue of Ukraine was not serving our interests because we needed to keep Putin guessing a bit more than that. Got a call late at night. As you know, Mika and I go to sleep pretty early because of our early wake-up call.
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
Got a call late at night. And there's about a 30, 45-minute pretty one-sided discussion from the President of the United States being critical, but more importantly, going in-depth as to why he was doing what he was doing and taking me through it. And, you know, Mark, you and I have talked to politicians, and I think this is a very important point for people that are,
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
that are listening and may be skeptical, but may be open-minded about this. You and I have talked to a lot of politicians, and I'm going to be really blunt.
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
Most politicians that call up and lecture me or lecture you about something we've written or said, we sit there and we're very polite, but rolling our eyes because, you know, they're usually going, yeah, they're talking, they're going, they're doing their talking points. And again, you're in an interesting position. I'm not going to debate politics.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
a presidential candidate or a politician, when they're calling me up complaining about something that I've done on the air, I go, thank you very much. I appreciate your input. But usually I hang up the phone and meet somebody who's then I'll be like, oh, that was fill in the blank. Oh my God. On his talking points. It was pretty embarrassing. I didn't get that with Biden.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
I, in fact, when I finished talking to Biden on, on, I guess it was 22, late 22nd, Um, I hung up the phone and I said to me, I go, you don't have dementia. Whoa. Uh, because again, it was, it was not just cogent. It was a better really analysis, analysis of the situation than I'd heard from, from most people, unless it was, let's say it was chairman McCall or somebody running, running a partner.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
Oh my God. Yeah. Anybody, anybody, anybody. And then, and then there were other calls there also is, it's not a secret. Mike Barnicle is a good friend of ours and a friend of Joe Biden's and talk to him regularly, you know, probably weekly. I'd always talk to Mike and again, there's no grand conspiracy. I'd say, how's he doing? How's he, how's his energy level?
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
How's his, you know, did he seem coated? Did he seem off? Cause you're reading the reports in the paper. And And again, and there were about five people like that, that we were, and I would talk to you about this too. If somebody had a concern, I would call you up and said, Hey, I've got, I've got a so-and-so saw him in the white house and was concerned.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
So, so that there were a lot of those meetings. There also, there was again, this two and a half, three hour meeting that I had with him. I think it was March, may have been March of 2024. Yeah. And again, We went in, it was supposed to be like an hour lunch, which is not unusual. I've done it with Donald Trump and been in with Barack Obama. We go in pretty regularly. But
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
When I had him there, I wasn't asking him about the campaign. I was asking him about Ukraine. I was asking him about Israel. I was asking him about India, which I think was in the news recently. Basically took him around the world.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
I asked him about our flex in Asia, what was going on in Guam, what was going on in Philippines, what was going on with Australia, what was going on in South Korea and Japan, talking And he really took me around the world. And I will say, if you and I lined up 100 Washington politicians, he handled those answers better than 99% of them. Ironically, this will be a surprise to people.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
Ironically, the one person I talked to in the 2024 cycle who had... as impressive a grasp was Ron DeSantis, who for some reason didn't want to show that during the campaign, but talked to Ron DeSantis several times on foreign policy. And he was one of these guys that I talked to. I go, wow, okay. So I went away from a three-hour meeting with Biden talking about everything from
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
Bill Burns negotiating in Russia. Is he going to negotiate in Russia? And talking about the West Bank and what he was doing as far as illegal settlements in the West Bank, relationship with Netanyahu. And I went away from there feeling extraordinarily confident the guy was cogent. And beyond cogent that he actually more than, again, except for maybe
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
Chairman or chairwomen of the relevant committees on Capitol Hill, a better grasp on foreign policy than most anybody.
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
As I've said here on the show over the past couple of weeks, I've spent... a good bit of time with Joe Biden. I've spent a couple of hours with Joe Biden sitting, talking, going around the world as far as talking issues, talking the economy, talking inflation. He's cogent. But I undersold him when I said he was cogent. He's far beyond cogent.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
In fact, I think he's better than he's ever been intellectually, analytically, because he's been around for 50 years. And, you know, I don't know if people knew this or not, Biden used to be a hothead. Sometimes that Irishman would get in front of the reasoning. Sometimes he would say things he didn't want to say. This is, and I don't really, you know what, I don't really care.
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
Start your tape right now, because I'm about to tell you the truth. And F you if you can't handle the truth. This version of Biden, intellectually, analytically, is the best Biden ever. Okay.
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
You know, Mark, you have to explain to everybody, like, that's actually the first time I've seen the clip all the way through. And you were the one like, you know, six months later to alert me to the fact that this had gone viral.
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
On good days.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
But I never saw those days personally.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
A dead congresswoman, yeah.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
Yeah, he stumbled and bumbled around, Mark. I mean, yeah, he certainly did. Donald Trump did. Other politicians did. But it's actually the same case as a lot of times when I've gone in and talked to Donald Trump. We go on to Donald Trump, and I've heard the media narrative around Donald Trump, and certainly I've been very critical of Donald Trump.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
And when I leave, I have a better understanding, just like Jeffrey Goldberg did a couple of weeks ago, I have a better understanding of where Donald Trump is mentally, if Donald Trump is losing it, like people have said, through the years or not.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
And so, again, am I going to look at a clip that's gone viral and pay more attention to that than two and a half, three hours I had with a guy one-on-one going around the world? No, I'm just not going to. Are some of the clips bad? Yeah, they certainly... They certainly are bad.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
I can understand why people would see that without the context and say that there was a problem with that, especially because I said, start rolling your tape right here. But when I look at that tape...
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
based on what I saw with Biden, based on the time that I spent with Biden, based on the hundreds of hours that I talked to people who talked to Biden and people that worked with Biden and were with him day in and day out, good friends that I know, that I trusted before Biden was president, that I trust now that Biden's not president. I mean, put into proper context,
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
I'm just not going to freak out and melt down on one or two clips here or there. And again, he bumbled around and he stumbled around, but he has for quite some time. That didn't seem to me to get in the way of Joe Biden being able to analyze the most important issues.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
And I certainly think he has a better grasp on it than probably the overwhelming majority of his critics or certainly did when I spoke with him. But again, the question is, is somebody else running the government for him? Is he incapable of running meetings? I've never talked to anybody that has said Joe Biden's not capable of running meetings.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
The complaint that I've heard, not only from, and I hope people are still listening to me because it is important, the only complaints I've heard about Biden internally was that he was angry, he would often get angry, and that it was basically his way or the highway. He would listen to other people, but the Afghanistan issue is a perfect example.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
He had everybody, from Mark Milley, every general, everybody saying, don't get out of Afghanistan. But it was, I think at times, it would have been good for him to yield a little bit more to some of his advisors than he did. That's one thing. The second thing is, Again, this is multilayered. I talked to a good friend that I had in the French delegation when they had tough negotiations.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
I think it was right after the state dinner, the French state dinner, before the state dinner. And they said they were all surprised. They brought five or six points. And not only was Biden on top of his game, he was, they thought, a bit aggressive. So, again, put into context, and I'm curious, let me ask you, do you do you think that Joe Biden day to day was incapable of running the government?
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
No, I'm not impervious to all the other data, just as you aren't impervious to all other data. As you said off the top, I don't think either of us land where the toughest Biden critics land, saying that the guy was a drooling idiot and was incapable of running the country. We also don't and have never agreed that the guy was perfect and that he didn't have better days and worse days.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
Do you cringe watching that clip? No, I don't at all. I'm sorry. I guess I should. But I see I haven't I haven't seen the meme for the past year or so. I when I when I see that clip, I see again, again, I see myself. doing what any reporter would do, doing what any news host would do.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
You go into the White House and you talk to the president of the United States for two and a half, three hours, and you're talking hard policy. You're not talking about football or whatever else. You're talking policy. And the guy—no, hold on. Again, the guy handled himself better than—again, I would guess 99% of those that are criticizing him right now would have, and certainly in March of 2024.
Next Up with Mark Halperin
Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
And so I see that. I mean, do I—I mean— I guess my revising and extending of those remarks came the morning after the debate when I was the first person to say he needed to get out of the race.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
It's the exact fucking opposite, which is what's so funny when I see people either projecting. are confessing, oh, Joe did this because he wants access, or oh, Joe did this because he's a defender. They're actually, that's confession.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
When the White House calls me, and you know this, and Mika knows this, when the White House calls me and says, the president would like you to come up and talk to him on such and such a date, I'm like, ugh.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
I do. And I mean, this means I'm going to have to leave my kids means I'm going to have to get on a plane. This means I'm going to have to go to Washington. This means I'm going to have to sit there and put up with the bullshit of getting in to see the president. Means I'm going to have to comment, hey, Mr. President, such a great honor. And then I'm going to have to sit there and listen.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
I'm not, you know, it's so funny. You and I both get raked over the coals in 2016 after Donald Trump got elected and we talked to Donald Trump. And I had the shittiest little, well, you had columns written about you, but I have these shitty little articles written by people in the Washington Post again. And they would call me up and they would go,
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
It must be really amazing to have a guy that's president that is talking to you. I'm like, that's happened since I was 31 years old. Well, it must be amazing to go in the White House. It's happened since I was 31. Well, Mika must love it. I said, Mika's been going to the White House since she was nine. I mean, listen, there is no doubt. There are things... that excite me.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
There are things that make me sweat nervously. There are things that I'm like, I can't believe I'm doing this. But those things would be meeting Paul McCartney. Those things, I'm serious. I won't mention his name, but I met a guy that I've seen in movies and some of my favorite series. Really nice guy who's really nice to me. I started sweating. I like, I get nervous, which is funny.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
There are things like athletes, you know, there are, if I meet athletes that I really look up to and respect, I will sit and go, oh my God, you know. Presidents, presidents, no. And so people that are going, Joe wants the access. They're only saying that because they want the access. I don't need the access. I get paid to say what I think, whether they like it or not.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
I just, again, I'm not on primetime on any cable news network. Like, people tune into my show to hear what I think. And if I get it right more than I get it wrong, then I do well. And I get my contract renewed. I've never, you know, and I don't say this with any animosity in my heart. And I don't judge them for feeling this way, but...
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
You know, George W. Bush, you know, he had a good friend who was a governor inviting me to an event in a state. And the Bush team said, your state's not big enough for George W. Bush and Joe Scarborough to be in. Yeah. Yeah, there are things I pep for that I really admire George W. Bush about. I tried to interview him on things. He doesn't like me. I'm totally fine with that. I understand.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
I mean, the president, he's a tough job. And having some guy, you know, shooting his mouth off for three or four hours every day about what you do, I can understand how that would get... get under people's skin, just like guys up in a booth talking about some of the greatest athletes and the mistakes they're making.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
So same thing with Barack Obama, same thing with Donald Trump, though my relationship with President Trump's been a bit more up and down. through the years. Um, and, and you're not, you're not, you're not a defender. That's the point. I've got to say the same thing with Joe Biden. If I wanted to be a defender of Joe Biden, I would remain a defender of Joe Biden.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
I haven't talked to Joe Biden since I said he needed to get out of the race. I did. It's like, it was, you know, uh, but, but again, me defending, I understand some people in some media spheres need to defend Joe need to defend the flag, need to defend whatever they need to defend, you know, I just have no need. Because that's not why I get paid. I get paid for speaking my mind.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
And if people say, oh, well, why didn't you attack Biden more? I did on Afghanistan. I did on the southern border. I did on, you know, the pin swimmer. I did on, you know, all of these other things. It's just like, I am really blessed. When I got elected to Congress at a very young age, I got elected despite the fact that Newt Gingrich and the Republican Party campaigned hard against me.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
And they did that because they thought I was too conservative to get elected in my district. I won and it liberated me. So the rest of my political career, I got to say whatever I wanted to say without any fear of blowback. And it's the same thing that's happened at MSNBC. Despite the fact, obviously, primetime is progressive. I've gotten to say whatever I've wanted to say.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
Phil Griffin called me up one day the first week I was on Morning Joe 18 years ago and had a suggestion. And I said, I love you, Phil, but you want to do the show, you can do the show. But I'm here for three hours, so I'm going to do it the way I want to do it.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
Everybody I know that knew Biden, that talked to Biden regularly, was shocked. Now, there's a big asterisk here. There's a big caveat here. So, I had a ton of contacts in Biden world, but I wasn't on the inner, inner circle. I wasn't, you know, I didn't talk to Jill Biden. I didn't talk to Steve Verschetti. I didn't talk to Mike Donilon and I didn't talk to Annie Tomasini.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
And those were the four people that, that were the innermost sanctum. Didn't talk to them. I spent a lot of time talking to the chief of staff and talking to Anita Dunn, talking to John Meacham, talking to other people around the president. And I would tell you in real time, Mike Barnicle, John Meacham, you know, I called John Meacham actually five minutes before the debate.
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Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw
And I said, what are you hearing? How's he doing? He goes, well, the old man's sounding good. His voice is a little hoarse, but he's sounding okay. And that was five minutes before. I called him five minutes after. I was like, John, what in the world? And same with Barnicle and everybody else. So I... Again, I don't know that they weren't paying attention. That's your take.
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I think people that were close to him that saw him day in and day out, night in and night out, were shot. That doesn't speak to the inner circle. I don't know. Maybe Donlon, Reschetti, and Jill Biden saw something the rest of us didn't see day in and day out.
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I think the biggest mistake they made was sort of the first mistake, which was... And something that Mike Barnicle was saying from the first days of the administration, which was their... they're blocking him in there. They need to let him get out. They need to let him talk more. They need to stop protecting him so much.
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Um, there was, was real concerned, uh, among, uh, many people that knew Biden that, that Ron Klain ran too tight of a ship, um, that, that, uh, Joe Biden needed to get out there. He needed, if he stumbled and he bumbled, if he made mistakes on the campaign trail, as Donald Trump has, as George W. Bush did, as the first Bush did, and I'm not comparing all of their mental acuity.
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I'm just saying, you know, you get the American people used to it, and then they can decide. It's kind of like Donald Trump. where Americans understood going into the election that there were many things about Donald Trump that they may not have liked, but they discounted those things because they saw him enough that they knew him. I think the biggest mistake is that they didn't let Biden out
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And let him hold press conferences, let him make those mistakes, have him stumble through it if he had to stumble through it so the American people could decide, OK, what I eventually came to and what this conversation has been about. where they said, okay, yeah, he stumbles, he looks glassy-eyed, but I like his position here or I like his position there.
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He really seems to know what he's talking about when he's talking about Ukraine, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, but they didn't do that. And I think one of the biggest tells that they really didn't trust him to get out and say things is when he didn't do the Super Bowl interview. Which was, again, deeply, deeply concerning.
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And the feeling, again, among people that knew Biden for 20, 30, 40 years was there was a mistake on the White House's part. They should have had him do it. If he screwed up, he screwed up.
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Let me ask you this question. This is not a leading question or a rhetorical question. How do you know this and I don't?
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You said if they put him out more, it would have been a disaster. How do you know that? And I don't. Based on what sources?
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I actually, I thought it was interesting that Olivia Newsy's last article where she got attacked for trying to help RFK Jr. actually was the first thing that I had read that actually lined up with some things that I had heard from Downers, that he was particularly bad
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at night, um, at fundraisers after a very long day that at that point he was, he was just completely exhausted and just mentally, mentally burned out. It's interesting. I brought that up to somebody that worked with him throughout the campaign and they said, well, I'd rather have him at eight o'clock at night than eight o'clock in the morning.
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So, um, so again, I will just say just generally though, Yeah. If you can't hold the press conferences, if you can't do all those other things, then, yeah, you can't be president of the United States. And if you're saying they didn't put him out there because he was incapable of being out there. Well, I mean, I don't I don't know what to say to that other than when I brought it.
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You brought up the best example is the Super Bowl. Yeah. Yeah.
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I think, again, I would definitely be speaking with you from a different vantage point if the times I had seen him were... There was bumbling, stumbling, halting Joe Biden. I mean, he's old. He was slow. He walked stiffly. He moved very slowly. But I just never saw any of that personally. And I suspect that if you had spent...
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the time that I spent with him and had the interactions that I had with him, you probably wouldn't be asking these questions right now, which are all very good questions. I think that, and I think other people would feel the same way. And so one of the reasons why I have the question of why didn't they let him out more was because when I talked to him, I walked away thinking, okay, well,
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I mean, I don't know. I think... I think the idea that there's some like grand conspiracy among the media, which people have said to hide Joe Biden's mental decline, sort of laughable because I know people that write for The New York Times and The Washington Post and The Wall Street Journal. And they're all hyper-competitive. I see people competing with each other.
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And I don't know that, well, I don't believe there is a conspiracy among those mainstream media outlets that you talk about, New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal. et cetera, to do that. I will say, and I would love for you to talk about this, in June, I think it was, I think I read today, it was June the 4th, 2024, The Wall Street Journal tried to blow the lid off of this story.
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And in fact, the Wall Street Journal editorial page wrote about it, I think, this morning. They tried to blow the lid off of this story. And they came up with a story where their best source was Kevin McCarthy himself. mischaracterizing a meeting that he had in the White House with Joe Biden on the day that he walked out of the White House saying, basically, it was Biden at his best.
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I want to talk to Joe Biden every day, et cetera, et cetera. But I want to underline this point because this is, again, this is the bullshit. This is sort of the reframing of history, right? It's kind of like everybody was against the Iraq War after the Iraq War went south.
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You go back and you look and you see more people voted for the Iraq War, the second Iraq War than they voted for the first Iraq War. You know, everybody's now going, oh, the Wall Street Journal had it right and everybody else had it wrong. Mark, you and I read the Wall Street Journal. By the way, I love the editor.
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I think what she's doing, what Emma Tucker's doing at the Wall Street Journal is extraordinary. And I told her as much, but it was also, I read that article. I was like, what's this article about? They're quoting, the best quotes they have are from Kevin McCarthy, who actually is contradicting himself. And then Mike Johnson's staff.
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So I think when people, I bring that up because when people talk about this media conspiracy, In June of 2024, the Wall Street Journal tried to get this story.
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OK, yeah. Were they right? OK, yeah, they were right. They were right for the wrong reason, though, because I mean, if you could share your thoughts about that story. I agree.
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And when I read it, I wasn't critical of the reporters. No. I was wondering why the editors allowed that story to go out because it was, again, the conclusion was right. The reporting was, and the sources, let me say the sources, not the reporting. Yeah. The sources were terrible in that, again, they contradicted things they had said
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on video in real time when they were coming out of their White House meetings talking about how Joe Biden was in command and they were going to talk to him every day because he really knew what he was talking about. And again, that's why I think, again, this sort of selective amnesia is, again, it does remind me a lot of the Iraq war and the selective amnesia after things went badly, badly there.
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I mean, yeah, there are many clips of Joe Biden stumbling around and looking, looking like he's completely out of it. No doubt about it. Um, I'm only talking about what I saw with my eyes. I'm only talking about what I did on, on, on my reporting. And that's, that's the conclusions I came to.
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I am best Joe ever.
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Even though I'm stumbling around because I'm a little exhausted. Yes.
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All right. Thank you so much.
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We have all been watching this and anybody could see that Joe's in decline. There's no denying that Joe has serious, serious issues. Right now, the people are actually noticing Joe Biden's lack of competence. Take a look at this poll. This is from the people. And CBS News, actually, Biden's actions as president viewed as incompetent, 51%. Take a look at this headline.
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It goes a little bit further in description. CBS poll, majority of Americans no longer believe Biden is competent. You know who else should quit now? The ultimate him. He's not going to be the Democrat nominee, I can tell you that. I know for sure the Democrat nominee will not be Joe.
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I think he's better than he's ever been intellectually, analytically. Start your tape right now because I'm about to tell you the truth. And F you if you can't handle the truth. This version of Biden, intellectually, analytically, is the best Biden ever. Not a close second. And I've known him for years. The Brzezinski's have known him for 50 years.
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And we're going to eat. We're going to drink. We're going to party. Meanwhile, in the back, they're like working.
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When David Ignatius wrote that column in, I think, August 2023, saying that Joe Biden should not run for reelection because of what he had been hearing. Right. And he came on this show and you guys had a robust conversation about this. You largely agreed that you had been hearing things about this, but that there was really no alternative. that Kamala Harris was not up to the job.
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That's what Democrats were telling you behind the scenes. Joe Biden saw that. Joe Biden said to staffers that he wanted to convince you that you were wrong. And he focused on you like you were a constituency, like you were farmers in Iowa, like you were the Kiwanis Club in New Hampshire. And he made sure that you thought different.
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So something happened in 1989. Exactly. What happened was the vaccine schedule was increased. We went up from receiving about 10 vaccines in our generation to these kids received 24 vaccines. and they all had this thimerosal and this mercury, and nobody bothered to do an analysis of what the cumulative impact of all that mercury was doing to kids.
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As it turns out, we are injecting our children with 400 times the amount of mercury that FDA or EPA considers safe.
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I addressed that in the statement. This is a baseless, politically motivated distraction. This is typical of the Justice Department trying to intimidate anybody who might oppose them, whether they be an elected official, a judge, or anybody else.