Jimmy Wales

It doesn't really, it's not something I campaign about.

So it felt weird to put me in the category, but what category would you put, you know?

And do you need that?

In this case, I was, I argued that,

it doesn't need that kind of like, that's not, I don't speak about it publicly except incidentally from time to time, I don't campaign about it.

So it's weird to put me with this group of people and that argument carry the day.

I hope not just because it was me, but, um, but categories can be like that, uh, where, you know, you're either in the category or you're not.

And sometimes it's a lot more complicated than that.

And, and is it, again, we go back to, is it undue weight?

Uh, you know, if, um,

Someone who is now prominent in public life and generally considered to be a good person was convicted of something, let's say DUI, when they were young.

Normally, in normal sort of discourse, we don't think, oh, this person should be in the category of American criminals.

Because you think, oh, a criminal, technically speaking, it's against the law to drive under the influence of alcohol, and you were arrested, and you spent a month in prison or whatever.

But it's odd to say that's a criminal.

So, just as an example in this area is...

Mark Wahlberg, Marky Mark, that's what I always think of him as, because that was his first sort of famous name, who I wouldn't think should be listed as in the category American criminal, even though he did, he was convicted of quite a bad crime when he was a young person, but we don't think of him as a criminal.

Should the entry talk about that?

Yeah, it's actually, that's actually an important part of his life story, you know, that he had a very rough youth and he could have, you know, gone down a really dark path and he turned his life around.

That's actually interesting.

So categories are tricky.