Jillian Michaels
Appearances
Candace
COMPROMISED: RFK Jr. And Hollywood Exposed | Candace Ep 173
I'll never get that out of my head.
Candace
COMPROMISED: RFK Jr. And Hollywood Exposed | Candace Ep 173
Friends, who wants to play a game? Oh, Elmo does. Me too. Yeah, me three. What should we play, Miss Rachel? I know the perfect game. Let's play hide and seek. And you can play with us too.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
I actually want to play devil's advocate and ask a few questions. I'm 100% with Tom. I think there were a million off ramps. I do think we provoked this, or not us as Americans, but our companies provoked this because we've taken their farming lands. We, as you've educated me on, BlackRock and JP Morgan had the $400 billion contract to go in and rebuild.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
So that said, Ukraine is the loser across the board, as far as I can tell. They have lost all of their resources from what I can, again, what I'm observing. Why would we not? Honestly, I'm not saying continue to fund the war, 100%. No, nobody wants that. We want this over. But why would we not say, listen,
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
None?
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
If you do this deal and you're so convinced that Putin's going to overstep, should it happen again, we'll step in, we'll help protect you. Why would we not do that if we are invested in extracting minerals and our big ag companies like ADM and Monsanto and Cargill are using their land, they're leasing the breadbasket there? What would be the reason to not give them that assurance?
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
Why would we not provide the assurance that if Russia broke the ceasefire, because this is what he's saying. He's like, you can't trust him. He's going to break the ceasefire. He's going to come in. He's going to... Right. And Trump is saying, no way. No, you have the assurance here. If we do business with you, that's not going to happen. And he's going, I just don't feel that confident.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
I'm not a Zelensky advocate. I'm just asking you... Why would we not say, like, we're sure, but if he oversteps and if he breaks the ceasefire, blah, blah, blah, we'll provide support. Not that I want to be doing that, but if we're taking their minerals, I can kind of see why the request is there.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
It seems Zelensky thinks, again, I'm just playing devil's advocate for the people that I argue with on the other side. And because I'm not an expert in geopolitics, But if I'm Zelinsky, I'm going to want the assurance. If I'm giving away 50% of our minerals, I would ask the same thing.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
No, 100 percent not. But I get this and then I'll drop it. It's just simply because the reason we would make their gated community safer. is out of Zelensky's mouth, I didn't take money, I got weapons. Well, who profited off the weapons? Our defense contractors. Who was forced to reform their laws about their farming land and give up leases to our big ag companies? They were.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
So now our defense contractors are making money. Our big ag contractors are making money. And now we're going to be taking their minerals. And I'm not saying that we shouldn't be defending. I'm simply saying... If we are stripping them of resources and then you've got BlackRock and JP Morgan going in to rebuild, that would be our investment in their gated community. And what happens?
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
Let's just say now Zelensky signs it and Putin does go in. Contrary to what Trump says and what I don't believe will happen, but he does go in and Zelensky's right. Then what actually do we do now that we are invested there? Would we step up to the plate if Putin decided to push further?
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
It's unfathomable. What?
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
I did. Just so you know. Listen, I've changed teams, but in all transparency, I worked with the administration on health matters.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
They were very lovely to me. Bill is extraordinarily charismatic, though. For sure. He's got it down to his science. This guy will remember a story about your sick chihuahua 10 years later. He's like, how's Baxter? How's your little dog? And you're just like, wow. I mean.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
Yes.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
Okay. Yes.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
No.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
Of course. We would never allow it. We're going to build a couple of bases.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
I couldn't agree with you more. I'm just saying if we're trying to bring an end, that's all. I feel like Ukraine has been raped, pillaged, and plundered, and Zelensky's just a puppet, and we obviously installed him through the National Endowment for Democracy and funded that coup that Tom mentioned in 2014, or at least... It sure seems that way.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
And this has all been driven by money, just like you say, follow the money. I just feel like we got, or not we, I don't want to say we, because it's not us in the room. It's not Americans. But whoever wanted this got what they wanted. Whoever provoked this, don't move NATO eastward. We added 14 countries, put it on Putin's border. Like, obviously, you know, you knew what you were doing.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
You got what you wanted. And that's the only part where I'm like, well, OK, you got the farmland, you got the minerals, you got the money for the bombs, you got the contract to rebuild. You can grab all of their resources even further and 35 exit. I just wonder why he wouldn't be like, sure, sure, sure. If he comes in, we'll we'll step in. But I hear everything you're saying.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
And I know Americans don't want that. I'm not saying continue funding it.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
It's like they work half the work week that we do. They've got their health cares covered, and it's all because we pay for the majority of the defense. What is this entitlement that I am baffled by?
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
Did they really, though? Like, I know he was elected. But, I mean, I don't know. I tend to think he was influenced by us. Oh, for sure. If I could say one thing about that Trump-Zelensky. Oh, my God.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
I actually thought Trump, for the vast majority of that meeting, was respectful.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
I thought he was, I watched the whole thing. And for the vast majority, I thought he held it together. You know, there was an arm tap. It was patient. And then, and he called J.D. J.D., not Mr. Vice President. Like, it was building up. And then Trump lost his shit. But it was... You don't have the cards. Yeah, I mean, but I thought he hung on longer than I expected.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
Is that real? Hold on, is this in April for real?
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
It's going to take a lot.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
I think it's a generational thing. You know, as a Gen Xer, I remember when Katzenberg said, if you don't come in on Saturday, don't even bother coming in on Sunday. And that was the culture. You know, Elon Musk said here, you know, you bitch about burning the midnight oil. And in China, they're burning the 3 a.m. oil and we're losing AI. I mean, look what Deep Seek just did.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
So for me, as a Gen Xer, that is music to my ears. But try to tell that to a kid who's Gen Z. And you know what's fascinating is that your entire team here is filled with young, aggressive, hungry kids. Thank you. And I cannot figure it out.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
I can't figure out what you've done to condition them to work like they're Gen X because I, you know, I meet with these kids. I will not take an executive assistant because every time I sit down with one of them, they're like, well, well, what's the, well, what's the vacation time and, and what's the pay and what are my benefits? Not, Hey, I researched your company.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
I see that you do X, Y, and Z. I think I can contribute this to the table based on my background and that. You don't have that anymore. When I was a kid, you showed up first and you left last, and that's how you got ahead. So I love it, but is that realistic for America and for our younger generation? I don't know.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
Everything's covered. College, we're going to pay for that.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
And the quiet quitting.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
That's when they don't answer the phone. It's like the quiet quitting. They just literally fake it and continue to make it. I don't know how. It's fascinating.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
Do you agree with him on Fetterman? Hold on, hold on, hold on. He's making valid points.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
With that said, there is something vastly different between Fetterman and Trump. Trump...
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
is a businessman he's an exceptionally successful businessman and I'm not an economist I am not an expert in geopolitics but as I have sought to understand some of the things he's doing with our economy and our relationships around the world I've come to appreciate listen he does a lot of things I don't like but I've come to appreciate that in many ways he's brilliant and
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
And it's from talking to people like you, learning what's behind what he's doing. That's not Fetterman. So while Fetterman is down to earth and he's not afraid to call bullshit on his own party, and they're definitely going to need that. There's no question.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
Fetterman is not Trump, and I don't see him – when you were talking to me last night, explaining how Taiwan is bringing their chips to America and what a big deal that is and why Trump is doing X, Y, Z and then showing me how.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
You think Fetterman is going to be capable of that? I don't think so.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
I don't think so.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
Now I vote for it.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
Only if the beard goes orange.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
they just keep digging. Dude, it's, these are 80, 20 issues. 80% of the country is against biological males in girls sports. And there's no point where they're like, did anybody get this memo? Like we're getting our asses kicked on these issues. This is not a popular position. And they continue to quadruple down.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
I was actually talking to Cenk Uygur the other day and he said something that made perfect sense. He's like, somewhere the corporate left And the woke far left had a marriage that none of us knew about. And they're locked into this path of self-destruction.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
And the reason I actually understood what Bill was saying about Fetterman is because I do think it's going to be the Democrat that goes, this is bananas. These guys are crazy. And they need a hostile takeover of their party. Buy a guy that's not afraid to call them out on their bullshit. But after Adam and Vinny just went today, it's certainly not Fetterman.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
From what I understand of this, historically speaking, this could go the wrong way, but I don't actually think that's what he's doing. I read The Art of the Deal 15 years ago, but one of the things that I remember and we've taken away when we negotiate our own contracts is you ask for the sun, the moon, the stars. And then if you land on the moon, you're doing great.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
I wonder if this is not exactly that. I mean, that said, and not to relitigate what we discussed last night, but when you explained to me that this strategy in particular is what's bringing people into the country to manufacture chips here, like what we just saw with Taiwan. Maybe he's legitimately serious. I'm kind of sitting back and waiting to see how everything Trump's doing will play out.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
You are so funny. How much?
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
I gotta have that.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
I'm so sorry. Can I grab my inhaler? Yeah, of course. Go for it. You guys, I'm so, so sorry. No, they'll grab it for you.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
It's in my backpack.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
Oh, that's nice. And we're all going to sign it.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
I was going to say it was 86. Okay.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
Me?
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
Gosh, the one who is the least woke and seems to put their head down and do the best job and focus on the issues at hand. I originally said Josh Shapiro. But I didn't realize that there may or may not be some scandal in his background. He's not my governor. But when I look at the landscape... I don't know who they've got. They've all just completely lost it.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
Remember when Klobuchar used to make sense 100,000 years ago? It's just they've all completely moved so far left that I just don't think they have a candidate, which is why guys like Bill are grasping at straws like Fetterman. Remember? I remember.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
when she said listen I'd love to staple a diploma under everybody's chair here in the room and give you free health care and free college and free this and free that but it doesn't work that way and her search went up exponentially overnight because people knew she wasn't bullshitting them she was telling the truth now she's just unrecognizable to me politically and I I guess I would say Shapiro
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
I got to have it.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
Tom can't even imagine one of them as the president, so he just dropped it down to governor of California.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
I'm sorry, Tom.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
No way. Not after the fires. There's just no chance.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
It's not even going to be cleaned up. By the time this guy has to run, there's no plan to clean it up. You realize that? There's nobody in charge of this mess. Literally, there's no one cleaning up the wreckage and the carnage out there. And this is going to haunt him. I disagree. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
I don't think they're, listen, a lot of them have moved to a place where they're never Trumpers anymore. But I would vote for a Republican. Just never Trump. That's what you end up hearing. They don't do any homework on the fact that the things they're outraged about, their own party did nothing. 10 times more of, for example, immigration, illegal immigration.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
It's like, well, you know, Clinton deported 12 million people. You know, Obama deported 3 million people, and Trump deported one. Like, where was your outrage? Those are Obama's cages. Did you do any homework? I mean, Biden ruled back all of Trump's border policies, and with the swipe of a freaking pen, they could have stopped this, but they didn't. So beyond the fact that
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
So I'm happy. It was incredible. If it wasn't for the carpaccio, I was out, man.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
You know, listen, they've planted their flag. They're blue. But they really do hate this guy. He is hated throughout the state. I'm seeing it more and more with people that are far, far left. And you're starting to hear things like, I would vote for a Republican, just never Trump.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
But if you give them someone that is more moderate, that they can kind of get their head around. No, I don't think so.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
I don't know what... Because they've been hit the hardest by it, Pat. That's why.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
Oh my gosh, that's so accurate.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
Gosh, I don't see that. Let me read it. Let me read it.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
No. OK, here's why. There's a joke about lesbians. So you've got female energy squared. Right. What do they bring on a first date? A U-Haul. That is not a joke about straight men or gay men. In other words, women instantaneously are like, oh, my God, I love you. Let's move in together. That's a notoriously female thing. So you get two of us together, and that's where you end up.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
So I'm going to say no. A lot of my guy friends, they take a long time. They're very discerning. And women nowadays, I'm sorry to say this. This is going to be very unpopular. But I think that they sleep around too much, and I think they give themselves away too easily. I think that makes men lose interest pretty quickly. And I find that all my guy friends tend to wait for the girl.
PBD Podcast
Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
That made – or fall for the girl. That made them wait. I know that's not going to be popular, but it's what I've observed over the course of my lifetime.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
You're falling in lust. I agree.
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Yeah, but if this says love, that is not love.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
I did have a boyfriend when I was 17. Did you say you love him? I did love him.
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I don't know that I was super duper attracted, but he was lovable.
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Yeah. Okay, then I got to think of pretty much every freaking girlfriend because that's what girls do. And I think I've had, I don't know, like seven of them. Thank you.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
I mean, I'm old. I don't know if it's that I'm a player or just a lot of time under my belt.
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I think probably.
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Oh, okay. Yeah, it was like seven and a half.
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All those bitches. Oh, my God. All those bitches. Too many to count. I love it. Yeah.
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I love you, Tom. Tom is the best.
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That's one.
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I already love Tom.
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I got to grow on Tom.
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Oh, that can't go over.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
How'd that work out for you?
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Like when a dog pees on a tree, but it's like a girl. It's got to be like. It's marked. Yeah.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
You should write a book.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
Hold on. Here we go, Julian. How long did she make you wait?
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Jen, how long did she make you wait?
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But out of those four, I'm guessing Jen was the holdout.
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And then Vinny's going to take me to the hospital. Yeah, I got you. Oh, Jillian, I'm so sorry.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
They still infect you. It's unbelievable. Ungrateful little bastards. Vinny gets them from other kids.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
Tom's on fire today, man.
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We canceled. Just shut it down already. I have an inhaler in the other room if you need it to recover from that. Well, guys, no, Tom, because, I mean, your beer is horrible.
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Man.
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Oh, man.
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No. No way. No way. Somebody knows all of it already. They do. If they get involved with her, it implies a connection. Last night, Vinny was talking about how if Trump pardoned her, he's voting for Kamala.
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She's the guy from Deutsche Bank, yeah.
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And that's it. I think it's who was behind the entrapment piece that they don't want us to know. Of course not. The entire operation, I think, is the scandal. Right. I mean, because it's like, okay, Prince Andrew, blah, blah, blah, maybe Michael Jackson. Okay, no one's shocked to hear that celebrities are creepy, perverted, or deviant. It's not new news.
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That is horseshit. That's exactly what I'm saying. That's why we're never going to know.
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God, and you're right, that's another thing we're never going to know.
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I did not realize.
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Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting, Trump Tariffs In Effect, Epstein Files Update | PBD Podcast | Ep. 556
We've already seen.
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Edward Norton. That's right, Adam. That's the first thing I thought about. That's right. Yeah, man. You think so? That's what I'm talking about.
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Jillian Michaels
Oh my gosh. I think it goes without saying, but I'm glad that me liking your show matters. I now see Joe Rogan deferring to your positions, but I'm glad that she could get excited about me being a fan. That's great.
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Jillian Michaels
I think that what happened is you're absolutely right. It began with our parents who bought into it's affordable. It's convenient. I remember my little microwave breakfast in plastic that had two little pancakes. Two little sausages and like, you know, God knows the chemicals. I would frigging bake that in plastics. And my mom was like, we are winning. That is two minutes. It's ready to go.
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Jillian Michaels
It's healthy. It's a real breakfast. And we're out the door. She didn't know any better. And even still, my evolution in health and wellness was about losing weight and looking skinny. And then it became... Diet foods and lean cuisine was healthy.
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Jillian Michaels
There really wasn't information up until I quite honestly want to say the early 2000s when you saw the rise of the crunchy liberals I mentioned previously. But when you look deeper at how this happened. And I'm going to steal a page from Cali Means book. It's in the 80s when the big tobacco companies bought the big food companies and they ran their playbook.
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Jillian Michaels
But if we want to go back farther, Dave, it starts with big ag being captured and corrupted through the first incarnation of the farm bill. And basically, long story short, how this evolved is that we have spent over the last 20 years a half of a trillion dollars in our tax dollars going towards genetically engineered seeds.
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Jillian Michaels
that are covered in chemicals that were derived from chemical warfare, like Agent Orange. So now when you've got frankincorn and frankenweed and this, that, the other, and you have subsidized it and it's exceptionally cheap and exceptionally poisonous and nutrient empty, Big Food grabs it.
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Jillian Michaels
They take their team of multidisciplinary scientists that study your kids' behavior and yours, that have learned how to target the bliss point in your brain so you can't eat just one and absolutely brag about it, which is even more confusing.
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Jillian Michaels
Don't worry. You will be overweight and unhealthy because you cannot eat just one. We gotcha. And then big pharma is the third piece of this toxic triad. And they swoop in and they medicalize everything and they pay off all of the studies. I mean, let's be honest. This system is rigged from top to bottom. And we're just starting to wake up to that, I think, in a big way.
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And moms is, in my opinion, are always where the grassroots movements start and take hold. Thank goodness.
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Jillian Michaels
But you know why they're not saying anything about it is because they've also been captured by special interests. And it's funny that you bring up marginalized communities here. These soda companies target children of color two to one. Where is all your systemic racist talk now? Where is the outrage now? Not a peep. They literally go after...
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Jillian Michaels
their heroes, their celebrities, to capture their kids like pied pipers of fast food addiction, and nobody's mad. They go after the poor with programs like SNAP, or I think it's called Women and Children, programs that we have, food programs, for people who are...
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Jillian Michaels
less wealthy, not as well off, however you want to marginalize, however you want to describe it in the most politically correct way possible. Nevertheless, they are absolutely targeted. They are the ones that are being preyed upon. They are the ones that are being marketed to, and they're the ones that are having this crap forced down their throat. But should you question whether or not
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sodas should be removed from programs like SNAP, food stamps program, that's racist. Because now you're denying, I swear to God, and again, I wanna give credit where credit is due, this is Callie Means pointed this out a couple of years ago now, Because like the Hispanic Freedom League or the NAACP is taking such massive donations from the fast food companies and the soda companies in particular.
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Jillian Michaels
They run right out there and they're like, this is racist for you to take away these valuable calories from children of color who are in poverty. It is diabolical when those kids are being targeted by those bastards two to one. Yeah.
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Jillian Michaels
I was exceptionally liberal pre-COVID. And I am guilty of understanding why you might close a gym at the time when the hospitals were overrun. And I had caught it from a friend, and I was perfectly fine. But it was obviously very transmissible. And at that time, we were worrying about our parents, and we didn't know who was vulnerable, and you were hearing all kinds of craziness.
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Jillian Michaels
You know, like there, there is truth to the fact that like, Dave, you are 100% right. Your, your instinct is absolutely accurate. And I would imagine in upstate New York in this area that was rural and more poor, I guess they're white, right? I mean, now they do target, as I mentioned, people of color two to one. However, They go after poor people across the board.
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Jillian Michaels
And that's why you have these food deserts. All of this is by design. And it's a much longer conversation about how they managed to do it, but it has been going on for just about 100 years. And it started with how they gamed the agriculture so that all of the money went to... And Monsanto's places, you know, the big farming industrial complex, that whole thing.
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And it after World War Two mechanization. And then it's like, oh, no, we've got a rural food issue. OK, let's give more to these genetically engineered crops. It there's a whole history to it. It's exceptionally diabolical. It's dense, but it is absolutely by design. And your instinct is 100 percent right.
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Jillian Michaels
It's ableist. It's racist. It's actually called being ableist. They have labeled people who have done that ableist and racist. And in fact, gosh, I can't remember her name, but there was a doctor who said calling junk food junk food was racist because marginalized people of color needed junk food. And I remember thinking...
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Jillian Michaels
We we have absolutely left Kansas like this is the world has inverted itself. I mean, we're and it was during COVID. But one more thing is the healthy at any size movement.
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Jillian Michaels
Derail the shame narrative. All of this comes from big food. Right. It's not even a question. I encourage people to Google it. There was an expose, believe it or not, in the Washington Post that exposed it. So they're paying registered dietitians and influencers in health online to be promoting those hashtags like derail the shame, healthy at any size. That's all a psyop.
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Jillian Michaels
And then they tapped into this, you're right, white guilt, so that even doctors were afraid to say to their patients of color, you need to lose some weight. Dr. Casey Means talks about it. You're spot on. That's exactly what's happening.
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Jillian Michaels
So when I first heard all of this stuff, like it came from a wet market, and we need to close the gyms, and if we can just control this for two weeks, we're going to get a hold of it. Just two weeks, guys. Just stay strong. And then it's week after week. And all of a sudden the stories don't add up and that science doesn't make sense. And you're seeing all of these incongruencies and policy.
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Jillian Michaels
Not only did it take off. I mean, it was wildly popular. So in my opinion, there are two reasons why. The first one is cancel culture. And I experienced this personally in 2019 from the infamous incident where I was asked by a crappy little interviewer. I don't even know what I was doing on this interview on Buzzfeed. I don't even know what I was doing on Buzzfeed.
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And she asked me if I celebrated Lizzo and Ashley Graham. And I didn't know who Ashley Graham was at the time, but I knew Lizzo because my kid liked her music. And I was like, she's a great artist. Why? And she's like, well, you know, of course, the big question was like, do you celebrate the fact that she's obese?
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Jillian Michaels
I was like, well, of course I don't celebrate the fact that she's obese because if you really like her, you want her to be around for a long time, right? Wouldn't it be terrible if she got diabetes? Oh my God, Dave. It was a catastrophe. AT&T had to deal with my app. They pulled out. I had a post scheduled for this dog food company who was like, we're not going to post her.
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Jillian Michaels
We don't want her working with our company. It was insane. So I think when people see someone else being taken to the gulag, right? Yeah. You know, stoned in the public square. They're terrified into silence. But the other component of this that we are still seeing in spades is the moral superiority and that high which comes from virtue signaling. I am the empathetic one.
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Jillian Michaels
And one from California that was my absolute favorite is what I call the COVID layer. So when you were allowed to go to a restaurant. You had to wear your mask. And when you would walk from the hostess stand to the table, you could catch COVID. So you must wear your mask.
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Jillian Michaels
It reminds me of Ralph Fiennes, with Ralph Fiennes in Schindler's List, where he's like, I pardon you. It's truly evil, actually. And it's purely about your own ego and making yourself feel holier than thou. But I think it is those two elements of fear and narcissism that have allowed us to become vulnerable to this kind of brain virus, quite literally.
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Jillian Michaels
Not only is it a weird tactic, there were so many fitness people that ended up doing that. And then putting like, oh, we're going to put like obese mannequins in fitness clothes. And we're going to... It was absolutely exactly what you're talking about. There's one woman in particular who shall remain nameless. But...
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Jillian Michaels
had a bit of an eating disorder, but was fairly large in fitness, is less well-known now, but still pretty well-known, and appealed greatly to more millennials slash Gen Z,
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But once you sit down and you begin eating and talking with other people in a room filled with other people, you see you were below the COVID layer. And at that point, I was like, this is awesome. Bananas. You started to see absolute madness and inconsistencies and hypocrisy and silencing doctors that were exceptionally credible.
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Jillian Michaels
you're totally right it's absolutely part of the problem and the even greater irony is all of those virtue signalers like oprah then turned around and jabbed themselves with ozempic at the very first opportunity yeah oh my god the hypocrisy is staggering absolutely staggering and it's It's exactly that. It's like, how can I elevate myself as a really good person?
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Jillian Michaels
And how can I feel better than you or make myself feel better? feel and appear better than the people who are saying the opposite. And then there are the people that are just legitimately scared. Doctors that are legitimately scared to tell their patients they need to lose weight because they're worried they'll get sued. And this is real. It's called medical McCarthyism.
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And I hear about it from all the different doctors that I interview all the time. And it's from COVID to obesity and everything in between.
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And I started to feel like Neo in the Matrix, like I think many of us did.
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Like there is never blame the victim, but there is such a thing as healthy shame. It's also when you commit a crime, when you do something unethical, when you hurt somebody, there's a healthy shame to that. Don't do that. That's the wrong thing to do. That's a shitty thing to do.
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Jillian Michaels
My mom's a psychoanalyst and we've actually had long talks about what healthy shame looks like and what it's intended to do. And it's to help people evolve into becoming a better person. Or if somebody is tending towards sociopathy. quickly sweeping them back into line. But when people are calling out facts that we can conclusively say are facts, you know, the earth is not flat, right?
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Jillian Michaels
Being obese is unhealthy. I mean, there's a robust amount of data to back this up. When you are attacking people for calling out facts, and subsequently wanting to question the existing norm and orthodoxy, man, there is some evil happening there across the board.
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I totally agree with you. And it feels like the Wizard of Oz when the Wicked Witch actually melts. It's like the sun comes out and everybody. Now, I do think it's, you know, page one of the book that has yet to be written. I think it's going to be Trench Warfare and you're seeing it across the board site.
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Jillian Michaels
everybody resist just resist to resist oh my god the sky is falling and and and you've got all the propaganda whipping up the people on the left and it's like everybody's hitlerian and the world's gonna end and whatever and they're it's so crazy though because what they're fighting for i don't even think they realize like when you watched bobby kennedy's hearings
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Jillian Michaels
And he's sitting there saying, we need to ask, why are vaccine injuries happening? We need to ask, why has autism gone from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 36? And everyone is demonizing this guy. And they're loving their politicians who take millions from big pharma. I just... We've got a long way to go, and I am exceptionally optimistic, but I wouldn't get complacent.
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Jillian Michaels
That's all I'm saying is it's going to be an uphill battle. And I do know, not to talk out of turn. But to get Kennedy confirmed, concessions did have to be made. And I don't know how public any of that is or not, but it obviously goes without question that it's like you will bend a knee to a certain extent. We even saw some of that with Tulsi and the whole FISA situation.
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It's like to get there, you will have to make some – you'll have to give some stuff up along the way. So I – It's way better than where we were, but I know it's going to be an uphill battle. And I think what I'm trying to do is encourage people to stay vigilant and to be patient.
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Jillian Michaels
You're totally right. That's why when I was sitting with Callie, I had lost all hope just because it's so entrenched and these special interests are so powerful. And the reality is you talk about it with military industrial complex and you understand all of this regime change. And I listen to you talk. I'm like, whoa, I learned so much from you.
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Jillian Michaels
And it's as corrupt and as deep as that in my line of work. And if you even want to take it a step further, if we could put on our tin hats for a second and go down the rabbit hole, when you look at who owns the big ag companies, the controlling share, and then who owns the big food companies, controlling share, same for pharma, same for big insurance companies, it's all corrupt.
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Jillian Michaels
the same companies it's blackrock it's vanguard state street and it's like in other words my point is that the reach is so great and the incentive is so powerful that it's not going to be easy. It's definitely a David and Goliath story. So we will take each and every little win. And this is why you're to take the, I hate to say this, but it is like, stay woke, like stay aware, stay vigilant.
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Jillian Michaels
Don't, don't allow yourself to be placated because they give up one out of 10,000 chemicals that have made it through a loophole in the FDA. Everyone's like, look at this red 40 winner. Like, Yay. I'm thinking, are you kidding? That is a snowflake on the tip of an iceberg. And we don't have any idea how big that fucker is under the ocean. It's bad. It's as deep and scary as it can possibly get.
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Jillian Michaels
It is absolutely by design. That is not conspiracy theory or hyperbole. And so again, I don't want to be a downer. I want to be, this is wonderful. And we're all waking up and we're all forcing change, but we need to stay in that headspace. That's all I'm saying is to stay very present and aware and not allow ourselves to be placated.
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Jillian Michaels
Be vigilant and be supportive like you're talking about in every way you possibly can.
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Just go to JillianMichaels.com. All the different branches of what I do lives there.
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Jillian Michaels
I really appreciate it. And hopefully I can turn the table on you soon.
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Jillian Michaels
I could not agree with you more. And unfortunately, there were so many examples just like that. And it just began to grow my concern exponentially. And if you as you begin to look a little bit deeper, it's like, God forbid, you pull on one thread when the whole facade starts to fall away. It gets pretty friggin nefarious, Dave.
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Jillian Michaels
I don't think that that is the argument they're actually making. Vaccines, now listen, this is my personal position. So we can get this out of the way from go. Two things can be true at once, right? Vaccines can save lives and they can also cause tremendous injury.
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Jillian Michaels
Now it's more rare, but we don't really understand what causes vaccine injury and asking the right questions, mitigating how many vaccines a human being gets from birth to 18 years old. These are conversations we need to be having. Now, the COVID shot vaccine, I was just talking to Dr. Heather Heng, Brett Weinstein's wife, and she's like, it's gene therapy. This is not a vaccine.
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Jillian Michaels
Thank you for having me. I literally tried to find Adderall to keep up with you today. I don't take it. I was like, does anybody I know take it? How am I going to be on Dave's show? I mean, I have been watching you for years now and learning from you, and I'm really excited to be on. I'm going to do my best today.
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Jillian Michaels
So that's out of the mouth of a PhD. This is big business. I don't think these people are advocating for health. It's big business. I think that is what their agenda actually is. And when the conversation did start to become about health, you saw the pushback. And I don't believe in my entire life I have ever seen an individual quite so demonized as Bobby Kennedy. I mean, he eats dogs.
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Jillian Michaels
That was in, I think that was actually in Newsweek, so help me God, or Vanity Fair. He eats dogs. He is a predator. He is deranged. He's got worms in his brain. I mean, the attacks were relentless and vicious as soon as it became about, I don't know, childhood obesity, infertility, autism. Man, it was a whole different animal at that time.
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Jillian Michaels
I certainly hope that's the case. I remember speaking with Callie Means, who I'm going to presume you're... Okay, I figured. So Callie is one of the masterminds behind this Maha Maga union. And this has to be about a year ago. And we were sitting down talking on a podcast. And I was pretty... feeling that the situation as it stands for Americans and health was pretty dystopian.
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And I didn't have a ton of autism, a ton of optimism about it. And I remember after Callie was like, listen, I'm working on something. It's going to get better. It's going to change. I was like, it's never getting better. And it's never going to change because special interests are too powerful. And they have a grip on our politicians. And they're the ones that are pulling the strings.
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And there was no politics. possible way unless you reform campaign finance. And here, Dave, here we are. So credit to where credit is due because you're absolutely right. This is not a new message. If you go back to a book that I wrote over 15 years ago called Master Your Metabolism, I mean, I talk about red number 40. Like... This is not new news. It was a more liberal movement for sure.
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Jillian Michaels
If you looked at Marion Nestle and Maria Rodale and Mark Bittman and Mark Hyman and Michael Pollack, we were all raging liberals. Nevertheless. It went nowhere, nothing changed, and it only got worse. So how this magic moment occurred, I think it's multifactorial. I think COVID was a part of it. I think people were completely disenfranchised with both political parties.
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Jillian Michaels
I think you had a few brilliant people with their hearts in the right place, and a little bit of magic has happened. Now, how much he will be able to achieve remains to be seen, but I promise you, that he is far better than the alternative. And if I could point out just a few things. If we were to criticize the fact that he's not an M.D.
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or a Ph.D., neither is Xavier Becerra, who was head of HHS before him. And if we're going to ask questions about childhood vaccines, and that's deeply alarming to do and demand gold standard research and what have you and have placebo groups like this is so scary and why would we do such a thing? But let's let's say that's really you're alarmed.
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Xavier Becerra and the Biden administration moved to remove, I promise you, Google it, it's true, any age restriction on gender-affirming care, which is a really fancy way of saying a sterilization, taking away a child's ability to have an orgasm, interrupting their brain while it's developing in puberty.
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I mean, the atrocities, quite honestly, associated with medicalizing the transition of children To do that at any age and remove any and all restrictions, where was the outrage about any of the crap that they did or didn't do? Not a peep.
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But then you have a guy that wants to facilitate real change and has been given that mandate and everyone's up in arms fighting for the pharmaceutical companies and gene therapy as vaccines. It's surprising.
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Thank you for having me. Keep fighting the good fight. I will. You, too.
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And she's, I think, a constitutional attorney. So I feel like I'm getting great information. With you, you're not just learning about something, but you're also curious what you think about it. If you're going to go, ah, bullshit, or if you're like, if you do the,
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And calm and making a point in an intelligent fashion. You're absolutely right.
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Tell me what it is. That's rare, though. I was just actually talking to Mike Rowe about that. Why do we hold on so fastidiously to our dogma? And honestly, because it doesn't feel right to have somebody say, I told you so. I will do the mea culpa and I have a million times. But it is certainly more rare. I mean, how often do you see a walk back or a course correct? Not often.
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And I know that when people wag their finger at me, are you happy? This is what you voted for. You want to defend things that arguably you may agree with them on. And I'm like, don't, don't, don't do it. Just do you see their point? If so, acknowledge you see their point. And then I still... feel the need to play the lesser evil game, even when they're right.
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They're still wrong because when I weigh out the choices I had, even though you're right on this issue, I'm right about my choice ultimately because more things went the way I wanted them to than the way I didn't. It takes a lot of ego strength to admit where you're wrong. And I just don't think a lot of people have that. And there is a tribalism with everything, whether it's workout trends.
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Diets, for God's sake. I mean, we've seen this kind of dogma in health and wellness for years. It's no fun to say you were wrong. And in some cases, it can have professional repercussions for people.
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Yeah. That's why we were talking about Fauci on the way in. And both of my parents could arguably canonize the guy, you know, or now I think I've broken through with my mom. But it has taken me since since your episode with Brett Weinstein in March of 2020. I have been working on it. We're getting there, though. We're there. We are there. It's been five years.
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You've given me a lot to tackle here. So let's start with the PSYOP component of healthy in any size. This is a big food narrative. This has been proven. Even the friggin...
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Okay. So big food, put simply, hired a bunch of registered dietitians to co-opt this concept of intuitive eating. And I'm dead ass serious with hashtags like derail the shame. And they paid them and they put out all of these posts and went to all of these conventions and promoted the narrative that you can be healthy at any size. And it's just a flat out lie. It is a flat earther conversation.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
It is pseudoscience. at its best. There's no truth behind that. There is a robust amount of data that show us being obese is associated with like 170 comorbidities. This is a non-factor. It's been debunked. We know this for a fact. So... When that happens, what they're doing is essentially placating someone who already feels.
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Now, I can I can attack what's going on or address rather what's going on with an individual who is that size. And it is largely. psychological once you are past the point of dad bod. You know what I mean? Like, oh, I work three jobs. Life beat me down. It's a food desert and I'm 40 pounds overweight and I've let myself go. This is a different animal.
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When you're dealing with somebody who is 50 plus pounds overweight, there is a psychological component. So the first thing we need to do is make them aware that there is a problem without question. But you can do it without shame, giving them facts of, listen, this is unhealthy.
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And because you are such a valuable individual, I want you to understand this because only from a place of feeling truly worthy are you able to facilitate a change. You don't work out because you hate your body. You work out because you love it. So it doesn't need to be a shaming. There's no shame there, to be honest, Joe.
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I know I know that people claim there is because you pointed out this vulnerability or this flaw in the person. But we all have flaws and vulnerabilities. People who are overweight simply wear them. So it's easy to judge. Right.
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So by educating them first. And then without question, I like to give people or when I when I was able to do the work hands on that rock bottom moment because they are overweight because it is providing them with something extraordinarily significant. And I can give you examples should you need them. But I promise you that one time or another.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
People turn to addictions, in this case food, because it means their psychological survival. So put simply, the most obvious example would be a person who was incested, molested, raped, puts on weight to desexualize. That's just one example of many, but it's easy to illustrate the point. So whatever this thing is providing them is the part that's so high.
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hard to let go of because unconsciously it's terrifying and you got to first show them this is why we need to change and then you got to give them that path towards change and you got to make it harder you got to make them feel the pain could be physically it could be psychologically but it doesn't have to be shameful of the way they've been living so that the work and the sacrifice associated with change
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is less painful than continuing the negative and destructive habits. You don't have to shame them. I know what the message seems like it is, but it really isn't.
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Let's get right back to when I was, you asked me what I lost.
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Well, they literally have a team of multidisciplinary scientists that work around the clock to figure out how to get people to not eat just one and then put it in a commercial. It's like literally in broad daylight.
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Guess one. Yeah. You know, but the what they're doing is they are exploiting somebody's psychology and they're hijacking their biology with this food without question. And this is why you have seen rates of obesity skyrocket from 70s when it was like 5 percent of the adult population was overweight or obese to 74 percent. We're all, is it a quantum leap in genetics?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
You're genetically obese. What happened? I've never seen such a quantum leap in genetics. How come we were genetically obese in the 70s? What was that tipping point, if you will, that created the cascade of obesity over the last five decades? Of course, it's exactly what you're talking about.
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That and also how they engineer the environment. And you're surrounded by it. You can't escape it. Remember the days? When you weren't allowed to have food at a bookstore and now every frigging bookstore has a cafe with a 600-gallery drink. You are surrounded. There is nowhere you can go right now where food is not omnipresent, in particular this crappy food.
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And they generally do it through government contracts and subsidies. So it's at your schools, your hospitals, everything. Anywhere you go, you will find this garbage food. So even if you have that moment of willpower, which is arguably this fleeting moment of bravado, if you're constantly surrounded by it, you will give in. Managing your environment.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
is a large part of helping someone be successful. It's a Band-Aid, right, if you're dealing with sexual abuse, for example. But controlling the environment is definitely a component in helping them. You can't control the environment. You can't control the narrative. You can't control what's in the food. And it's all by design. It's not just the crap in the food.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
It's how they control the narrative around it and how they engineer the environment and how they systematically shut down the people that point it out as fat shamers, for example, or racists. Yeah. It's another big one.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Yeah. It's stable. It probably has, in that meal alone, 100 plus chemicals. I think I'm being conservative.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I can't even, my kids, who I know will be watching this, so I love you guys. It's okay. But they stopped packing their lunches. And I was like, guys, why are we not packing our lunches anymore? And I would watch all the crap that I would buy go bad in the pantry. And my son ratted my daughter out. And he's like, she's eating breakfast at school. And I was like, what are you talking about?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
He's like, the sugar cereal? Who's having that at school? I was like, what? What are you talking about? Even my kids who know better.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Hey, I mean, the New York Times was like, hey, it looks like this came from a lab. It's like, really?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I honestly think the kids know what it is. And I try to give them enough freedom now at these ages, 13 and 15, to make some of their own decisions. So not everything is a pushback. But I truly think there is an addictive component. Oh, for sure. And she just – it's like I'm so good at home. And I don't mean to associate – not good, but I eat well at home. Let's put it that way.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And just at school. I'm just going to do this at school. And the problem obviously is when she goes off to college – I won't be able to control the environment at home. And I'm like, honey. OK, hold on. There's a forgive me. There's a 20 year old influencer named Bad Baby, I think. Joe, she saw this girl. That's the lady from Dr. Phil. Catch me outside. Catch me outside.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
So she saw this girl when she was like nine and has followed Bad Baby. Bad Baby now has cancer. What? I believe so. For real? According to my daughter. Isn't she like 20? Exactly the point, though. That's exactly the point. And so now I can say to my kids, this isn't just mom's generation, which how come there's something else to look at? My mom is 76.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
None of the public figures in her generation got cancer. You didn't see Susan Sarandon or Scorny Weaver or Meryl Streep. None of them got cancer. But in my generation, it's like Maria Menounos, Christina Applegate. Something's going on with Angelina Jolie. Kate Middleton. In my generation, the canary is dead in the coal mine. It's not even a question of the negative impact.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
If we're not looking at statistics, if we're just looking from an observational perspective, it's in the news every single day someone's dealing with cancer. Olivia Munn. Now you're seeing 20 year olds deal with this. And I was able to point to that to my daughter and say, this is the shit that I am talking about. She's five years older than you.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Isn't that disgusting? And there are zero apologies. No. Zero course corrections. And they unveil this information as though they are the purveyors of truth. Guys, we've got a headline.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Sure. You still can't point to the fact, even if it's not Bad Baby, who may be lying. I'm not sure.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Is it Bad Baby? I said Bad Bonnie the other day, and my kids are like, no, that's the rapper.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Apparently Alabama Barker did not show up for that fight because my daughter was very disappointed by that.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
They were supposed to meet, I think, in Calabasas and throw down.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I'm sure there's a hair pulling and all kinds of stuff. Oh, boy. I can tell you with certainty. is that the rate of early-onset cancer diagnosis in people 18 to 49 has gone up 79% over the past two decades. So if, in fact, bad baby is being untruthful and deceitful, those statistics are real.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Okay. I want to play devil's advocate to that argument and simply say the statistic that I just cited, I believe, came out in 2019. So this is pre-COVID.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
You know that stuff is linked to chemical warfare from Vietnam. It has a historical connection to Agent Orange. Really? Yeah. Google it. Jamie, check that. But yeah, because I wrote about it in a book. I know. That should alarm you.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Have you seen where it runs from the river into the ocean and creates dead zones that you can see from space?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Having grown up in California and spending a lot of time in the water, I have known this for years. And now I can't even imagine, by the way, in California who would dare to get in the ocean at this point. Yeah. Considering all of the crap from the fires. Yeah. That's a great irony. Oh, yeah. That's my favorite. Oh, we're not doing any forestry mitigation because of the environment.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And yet these fires have rolled back all of those protections by something like 20 years.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I was talking to, I don't know if you've ever seen this gentleman. He's really great. He wrote a book called Eat to Beat Disease named Dr. William Lee. And he called me after the fire because I was out there visiting my mom. He's like, where are you? Are you in California? And I was like, I am at the moment. In fact, I'm right here by Palisades. And he said, Jill, do you remember 9-11 dust?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
It's been a challenge. My dad is an absolute lost cause. My mom is now open to the conversation and she'll send me a bunch of different articles and then she'll allow me to disseminate from my perspective. But it's been it's been a rough ride.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
That whole thing with all that. I was like, of course I remember. Send me a bunch of articles. And he's like, you got to get out of there. Get your mom out of there. He's like, it gets in your kids' clothes when they're on their way to school. He goes, we're going to be talking about this 10 years from now, the result of the toxins in this fire and how they've affected people's health. No doubt.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
No doubt. It's crazy. And it happens twice a year.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I – well, in fact, I lost two homes, one that I owned in 2018 and one that I sold in 21 just actually burned.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And I was pitched a vaccine scientist. And I thought like, oh, this is great. Yeah, come on, come on the show. I didn't know the vaccine was gene therapy. I had no idea. So I knew it came from a lab that made perfect sense to me. And I was like, oh, well, this is very clear. It's not, you know, from a wet market.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
For over a year, and it hadn't even begun. No. There were so many things wrong there that I could literally— What's the lack of funding, Jillian?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Oh, I can't. They don't have enough money. Have you seen Mike Schellenberger talk about this? Yes, he's great. That will make your blood boil.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I love him. He's like, we knew about this for seven days with the winds, and we could have borrowed firefighters from all different states and this and that and had them prepositioned.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Oh, my God. Knowing— Knowing between Mike Schellenberger and Corolla, whipping me into a frenzy about this, I literally think I've popped 10 blood vessels because so much of this could have been mitigated and wasn't. And in fact, Gavin Newsom, my favorite politician...
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
My favorite was we did our own version of Joe Rogan. I remember when you loved Bernie. You were like, I like the guy. You had Joe Rogan. Joe was on your side. And that's the one thing with the left is they purge people from the party.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
It really is. That's the stuff where you look and you say, I was never for any of this. I'm a libertarian. I'm for personal freedoms, of course. If you want to change your gender as an adult, that's absolutely up to you. And I would fight for your right to do that and live with dignity. But when your personal choices impact the rights and the freedoms of others...
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
But someone reached out to a producer of mine and said, you know, we've got this person who was a scientist who worked on the vaccine that wants to educate people. And I thought I was doing this major public service. I've had to apologize for that podcast and I've left it up.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
This is a far more nuanced conversation. Far more.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
They can laser those off. Have you noticed, though? They really don't understand it. No. And I got in a conversation with Jessica Tarloff about this, and she's like, oh, but the kids go through extensive therapy. I'm like, that's not true, Jessica. Or the concept that it's reversible. That's not true. People believe this. Exactly.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Takes away sexual function. If you interrupt puberty in the stage 10 or 2. And the reason I bring this up is because they'll tell you it's reversible. But here's the thing. I actually went through this exercise with somebody and I was like, show that to me. And they went on chat GPT and it's like, yes, this is reversible. And the argument is that should you have a child that starts puberty at 7...
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And you use puberty blockers. It's very rare. It can happen. And they do it strategically to slow that down for a child and help them develop at a normal pace. It doesn't sterilize them or make them incapable of having an organism. So the distinction that's key is when you block puberty at the stage of 10 or 2, which is arguably the appropriate age for that puberty is meant to begin.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Then you've got sterilization. You've got an inability to ever have an orgasm. It affects bone development. It affects brain development.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I cannot, Joe, I cannot remember her name. She was actually young. And the reason I remember that she was in her 30s is because she told me, oh, this tech has been around for 30 years. And I thought, but you're only, you're like 35. No, no, no. We've been evolving this technology for 30 years. And you see all of these trials for safety. It's just bureaucracy.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Terrible for them. Their freaking children, their body is not developed properly. Nobody understands that. They don't, when they make that argument, they're told the parting line of, if you make them go through this, they'll kill themselves. And it turns out that the data doesn't bear out to prove that either.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Gosh, I've never thought of it from that angle. I have seen the financial component, though. Oh, that's a big problem. It's a multi-billion dollar business. That's where it's evil. And when you look at who's funding this stuff. I remember, my God, I used to go to the frigging human rights campaign dinners and donate, you know, you're fighting for gay marriage and good, good liberal.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And now when you go to their page, if they've got a score and forgive me, I can't remember the frigging name of it. But there's a score where they rate different medical institutions on how they provide gender-affirming care. And if they get a bad score, it impacts, I think, how much grant money they can get. There's a page for this. I believe it's through the HRC on their website.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And when you look at who funds it... Pfizer. Oh, that's not at all surprising. One drug, I think Lupron is almost a billion dollar a year business. Off-label. Forgive me, it's been a minute since I've looked into this, but I'm in the zone for sure. Yeah, terrifying stuff.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I don't know. You and I are surprised. But I think most people are not awake at all about it.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I didn't understand what it meant to push something through that emergency use loophole at the time. I didn't understand the difference of, oh, this is a dead pathogen, and this is a live pathogen, and we're worried about adjuvants, but this here, this is gene therapy. I didn't even begin to comprehend why.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I'm not quite sure why the human mind is so fragile. I've asked myself that so many times. And this is going to sound totally off-piste here, but you brought up demons and what have you. And I just watched that. I didn't read the book, so forgive me. But I watched the documentary on the book, Chaos, on Netflix.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
What that was, what it meant, or the fact that we would fuck around with something that was experimental. And the scariest part is I had been talking with a woman named Brianne Dresen who was injured during the AstraZeneca COVID-19 trials.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Okay. Are you not completely... I cannot wrap my head around how Manson got seemingly normal people to commit this kind of murder. And when you listen to these women talk about it, they're like, and then I stabbed her 15 times and I felt the knife go into her hip bone. And she looked at me and said, I'm dead. And like no emotion. What did you do to this woman's mind?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And you can't say she's an outlier because he was able to convince the group of people. I cannot understand this kind of.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
This is all documented. I knew a little bit about MKUltra, obviously, and that they were using psychedelics to influence people and try to gain mind control.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Okay, so here's my question, though. This is what I find so fascinating. Do you think that the LSD simply accelerated that mental vulnerability or the ability to warp someone's mind? Because when you tell people now you're going to perform a sex change, On a child, they think that's a good idea. And I'll tie it back to one thing that also is seemingly unrelated, but everyone's outraged about RFK.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
He's not a doctor. Oh, my God, he's trying to get to the root of autism, and he's misguided about it. Where was your outrage when Xavier Becerra, who's not a doctor— wanted to remove all age limits for sex changes on kids, whether surgery or not, the medicalization component that we talked about. Like that to me is a group psychosis.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I wonder, like to get an adult to, I'm like, where's your outrage and your concern about this? Because this is batshit crazy. And nobody said a word. Nobody cared. It went completely under the radar.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And the NIH was studying all of the people that had been injured during the vaccine trials as they rolled out the vaccine with no concerns and lied about every component from it stays in the shoulder, it's out of the body in 24 hours until you find out, no, it's coated in lipid nanoparticles and it could cross the blood brain barrier.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And I'm just wondering if the ability to capture someone's mind in the way that they did through these CIA studies, did LSD simply accelerate a vulnerability that's already pre-existing and you're watching the brainwashing of people go on over the course of decades?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Because if you said this to a person, arguably in Obama's first term, when he ran on gay marriage, that you were going to run sex changes on children in the year 2024... people would have lost their frigging mind.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
So it's just a complete... They must have been brainwashed, though.
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Oh my God, how do I not know this? I know he was a genius.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
It's insane. Crazy. I mean, I'm certainly not an expert in mRNA tech, but now we're fast-tracking other vaccines that utilize the same technology. And I know for one, I don't think I'll take an mRNA vaccine ever. It scares the crap out of me.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I saw that somewhat alluded to in the documentary of like, well, you know, when the one guy, I'm going to botch this, never mind. Bottom line is they generally alluded to that. But because I didn't read the book, there wasn't that kind of in-depth takeaway at all. Yeah.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
It's very short. And it draws a connection, but it doesn't prove out its points. And I couldn't quite understand. I'm like, well, where's the proof of it until you just explained it to me.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Yeah. You know that the huge irony is that these drugs, as we both know, these drugs can save lives.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And I was just talking to Callie and Brigham, who are involved in the Texas Ibogaine Initiative. And what's so fascinating is... Very different drug. Okay, but what about psilocybin?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
So they didn't use psilocybin or ibogaine or any of that stuff. I thought they did.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
The Nazis did it. Hitler was tweaked out of his skull.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I've seen that footage of him. I think it was at the Olympics.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I heard that if he did not have that, they propped him up on that to the degree that he was able to subsequently convince Mussolini to jump into the mix.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
You know, I've heard that. I don't know if this is true or not. So I heard that similar things were given. Forgive me for throwing this out there. It could be total bullshit. But to Hamas on the October 7th attack in order to be able to commit those kinds of atrocities. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know either. I've heard I've heard it through friends who are Israeli. It could be bullshit.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
But I would wonder if you have to commit those kinds of violent acts against another human being. I would imagine you'd have to be altered in some capacity. I can't even fathom being able to, I don't know, I can't wrap my head around it.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
But some of it is just so visceral and hideous and I don't mean to bring the vibe down. But it's one thing to kill another human being. I have to. This is how we survive or whatever it is. We're fighting Nazis and you don't have a choice. Okay, fair. To beheads, just that kind of stuff. Torture.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I often ask, this is going to a very unplanned place, but I ask myself what I'm capable of if somebody hurt my kids or hurt my wife or hurt my mom. What would I be capable of doing?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Oh, without question? But I would be capable of it. But I don't like blood. I can't stand blood. I don't like guts. It would make me sick. It would horrify me. So I'm like, how would I? This is the shit that tortures me in the middle of the night when I can't sleep. How far removed am I from this mentality? Am I just a few catastrophes away from losing my mind and becoming a lunatic?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Yes, that's so true. And I could do a hell of a lot of horrendous things, but I couldn't like some of the torture methods. How do you have the stomach for it?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Yeah. Yeah. You know, my wife's friend, her friend's son actually had the COVID vaccine and the flu vaccine on the same day. He did supposedly stay for 15 minutes, got in the car, must have passed out or had a seizure, hit a tree and died. Jesus Christ. Had a crazy reaction to it. I know I'm not trying to promote this anti-vax position, but...
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
How do you defend against it, do you think? Seriously, like if we all have it in us, what is the antidote to that?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
It's tough, though, because when people fight dirty, it's such a massive disadvantage that then you think, well, I'm going to lose if I don't make this sacrifice in how I'm behaving or how I'm tackling this.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
OK, the argument being that you drop it and then the war ends. So it's the lesser of evils. You know, you've sacrificed hundreds of thousands of people in that moment. But did you save millions down the road? And can you justify the behavior here?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Utilizing that logic of, well, you know, I committed this atrocity, but I saved more lives like that's the slippery slope that I think about often is you were just talking about this the other day when you be careful you don't become a monster.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
When you're fighting monsters. And sometimes it's that it's that fire fighting fire conversation. You want to use water. What if it doesn't work?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Sometimes you honestly, Joe, I hate to say it, but sometimes you have to.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Sebastian Younger said this to me once. He's like, listen, if you aren't willing to talk to the worst enemy, you have to fight them. But it's when the talking doesn't work. And you see that all the time. You see, I see it in my own personal life. All of my best intentions and my calmest demeanor and my most empathetic approach to something fails because you're just not dealing with...
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Somebody who is rational or well-intentioned. And if you broaden that out.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
No, I was actually going to say animals don't have it, but then here we are.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Really? I mean, I know lions will kill, and they're territorial, but the capacity for torture, I've never seen that in the animal kingdom.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
The birds. I know they kill a crazy amount of— Billions. Billions?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
It's kind of crazy. I mean, when you do look back at the plague and they started killing all the cats because they were associated with witches. And that's when the plague was able to kind of run more rampant because the cats were keeping that rat population down.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I mean, it's obvious that they're playing a role in this control. Yeah, exactly. Because everyone in California just thinks they ate my Pomeranian. Oh, they probably did. And they probably did. I mean, as a child.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Well, I was going to say, you don't hold it against, as a child, I lost a dog to a coyote. To this day, I don't. Like, I don't hate coyotes. It's like, well, the dog was in the yard, and we didn't coyote-proof the yard enough. Let's... Fucking coyote proof the yard now.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Okay, fair. I guess animals do have a propensity for cats in particular. I did not think of it that way. That makes me feel a little better.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
It can make you a bit nihilistic and fighting for the hope and the good. My mom says that to me all the time because when I try to show her some of the things you and I talked about in the beginning, and I'm like, don't you see? And this is rigged. And who's really pulling the strings?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And she's like, honey, I'm 76. Leave me alone. And it's fine.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
You know, she's like, I want to see the good in people. Try to see... Mr. Rogers, look for the helpers. But you can fall into really becoming... Nihilistic about humanity when you witness these things and have these conversations. And I try so hard to not go there in my head, but it's hard not to.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
It serves its purpose. I've read all my Khalil Gibran. It's like, oh, you know, the deeper your pain, the more ability you have for empathy. And I get all of it, but it's seemingly imbalanced now. And I guess that's what I mean.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
You're definitely one of those guys, which is which is why bringing it back to the very beginning. I think that you're number one. But I also think, you know, you're. one out of quite a few.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I am still having this exact debate, actually, with my mom, who's like, but honey, it saved millions. And you know what's crazy? Have you actually tried to Google that information? Because you can make a case for that based on what will come up on Google. And she's like, but look right here. It says it saved millions of lives.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
What makes you choose, though? Okay, so another thing that I've thought about often is evil never stops going. Have you ever heard that good has to decide when it gets out of bed in the morning? Yeah. You're on the freeway and someone's got is broken down on the side of the freeway. And it's like, do you are you late for something? Are you worried?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
There are a million things that will influence whether or not I stop that day. But a bad guy will always see an opportunity to go after that person. Evil works tirelessly and good requires a sacrifice. You sacrifice yourself.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I'm seeing it even in, in the health space as sometimes I'll, you know, Brigham is dealing with the FDA stuff right now. And I was talking to him this morning and he's like, Jillian, he's talking about trying to compound peptides and there's a war on peptides and there's a war on stem cells.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And of course it's like the cutting edge of medicine, but he's like describing what they're going up against in dealing with this. And it's, It's evil. Why would you want to prevent these life-saving treatments?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
That should be illegal. You should be able to get rid of Citizens United.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
You got to reform campaign finance. Do you remember many moons ago? I believe it was John Edwards who was running on that many moons ago. But as a kid, I didn't fully understand what that meant. As an adult, no one's ever brought that. I mean, kind of.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
70 plus percent. But the issue – I had this conversation recently and the issue is going to be freedom of speech here. It's going to be a First Amendment fight.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
That's the angle they're going to take. I am sure of it.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I think it's kids. I've heard this conversation, and I'm trying to remember who one of the researchers was, but Callie was there, Mark Hyman was there, and they were having this exact conversation, and one of the people on the other side was suggesting that they have already gamed this out, and that's the way that they're going to go.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
They make you look like you're insane when you do. Yeah, you're a crazy person. I was on CNN talking about Ozempic one time, and they essentially called me anti-science because I suggested that a lot of the drugs, yeah, I was like, well, they're like, well, we give people statins and we give people blood pressure medication.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I... I was initiating that conversation, and I was called anti-Science. Well, that's not even anti-Science.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
They won't even allow you to express that on the show anymore. Then never again invited on CNN.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
There's an opportunity where a network wanted me to compete against these GLP-1 drugs. And everyone loves the idea, but the top concern is, oh, what if Jillian wins? And then it'll be a catastrophe. So the ad sales department is like, I don't know that we can do this. We can't call it Jillian versus. We can't call it that. What are we going to call it?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I don't know how we're going to position this. I was like, we don't even need to bash it. Let me just do my job. Let's see what happens. But they're even afraid. God forbid I won and was able to do it naturally.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Okay, so here's where I've gotten to on all medications, largely. It's a cost-benefit analysis. So if you brought an individual who was morbidly obese and already had atherosclerosis and type 2 diabetes and chronic kidney disease, and you said, we've tried everything, they're a death store, and this is arguably the last step. Well, in that case...
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
The downsides of the medications are far less than not trying it. So in that instance, you could twist my arm for sure. But if you gave me my way, I would prefer to look at what the medications like ibogaine or psilocybin could do for the psychological component, the addictive component.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Doesn't go on forever. And then because diet and exercise do work. What's stopping them from engaging in those habits consistently is all the stuff we talked about in the beginning, the psychological component, the physical addiction. So no one's ever tried it, though. So there's no way to actually know. And you can't.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
It's almost impossible to do the research on it, which is, again, why the Texas Ibogaine Initiative is so important. Yeah, because you can begin this kind of research, although it is in veterans and addiction and so on. But would that be the first step?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And when I've asked the people in the space like Matt Shepard, for example, who is at Shepard Pratt and one of the guys, the foremost experts on psilocybin and treating addiction, he's like, yeah, theoretically, you would work great. Theoretically. So for me, if we got all the way to this place and I had no choice, that's like saying, Jill, if someone had stage four cancer, would you do chemo?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I mean, I guess so. But I'd like to if there was an alternative way forward or if we could prevent it to begin with, that would be ideal. So you could twist my arm to that point. I think there's something to be said for, again, what Brigham is doing. It weighs too well, which is why being able to compound the GLP one drugs allows you to titrate the dose.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
So when people argue with me on this matter, they'll suggest that a titrated dose, a lesser amount of these drugs can be effective with significantly less side effects. But when they're trying to block that and you can't even explore it... Yeah.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I mean, if it impacts antidepressants alone, that's significant. If one treatment could have the impact on obesity that it does on opioid addiction, GLP-1s are the most profitable drug of all.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Intermittent rewarding. Yeah. Is the most powerful.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Have you ever seen it with like the rats? Where they push the button, no food comes out. Push the button, food comes out. So the ones that get the intermittent food reward will sit there and push that damn button until they collapse in exhaustion. The ones that push for a little while, get nothing, give up. The ones that push until they get food every time, get full and give up.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
It's the same thing. It's that intermittent reinforcement. It's exceptionally powerful.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
But if you gave them an alternative path when they are ready for help.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
When the horse is ready to drink and you had an alternative method that we're seeing work.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I mean, which is why there's no model for prevention in health care. It's not profitable at all. But it's ridiculous. There's a peptide called cerebralizing that they give to stroke patients in other parts of the developed world that can have a massive impact as well on cognitive function and can be neuroprotective. You can't even buy it here.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Literally, I had to find it in Austria, ship it into the country. And Brigham and Dr. Rexford, I was like, now what do I do with this?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Pulled that up because I was trying to illustrate that point. I was like, do you realize that I think the percentage of mortality with this is like 1%? And when you look at it, it's considerably less. 0.03 all the way up until you get about 80 years old. And then it's like, well, 1% or so, 1.5 maybe in 80-year-olds or morbidly obese or severely autoimmune, immunocompromised.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
It's always like that, though. Everything is a U-shaped curve.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I couldn't agree with you more. It's great. It's like, but it is. But you have to contain them.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I mean, I just got whooping cough. And Joe, I literally thought I was going to die. I ended up at week seven. I called my internist and I was like, I think you need to check me in the fucking hospital. This is insane. I think I'm going to die. And they hit me with the horns. And the long story short is I am vaccinated for it. But I guess my vaccination or my booster didn't. is old.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I don't even remember the last time I got it. My wife is vaccinated. My kids are vaccinated for it. My mom is vaccinated for it. Everybody in my circle is vaccinated. No one got it. I strongly recommend getting your DTaP vaccine because whooping cough, it was a hundred days of it. My point being, I don't want the COVID vaccine and I don't need it. But in any universe for me personally,
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
If I would have known I was behind on that booster, it's like everything has a cost-benefit analysis. Everything, it's like the dose is what makes the poison. Everything is that U-shaped curve. And approaching it with nuance is really the only intelligent way forward to make the best decisions for yourself. But you need the right information too. Right.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I can make it worse. I was when I was at the Senate testimony. I can't remember how many months ago that was. But Cali means had us meeting with different senators and their aides. And a kid came up to me and I, of course, brought that up. And he's like, it's so much worse than that. And I was like, elaborate. What do you mean it's so much worse than that?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And he said, essentially, they develop the drug, have stock in the company, go to work at the FDA, approve the drug, and go back to the drug company.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I was working on a book or have been working on a book where it looks at each and every law that was put into place with good intentions. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. And how each and every one was co-opted by Big Food or Big Ag or Big Pharma to wreck complete havoc and destruction. And that's what you see.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Yes, 100%. I was speaking with Callie, and he's like... You know, don't pull punches because you want to be diplomatic. But I am finding myself defending Kennedy, who, by the way, I've met twice. I have no I don't work for this administration. I have no personal affiliation. It's just right and wrong. There is a huge problem that needs to be addressed. And this administration wants to address it.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
24 fucking seven and it's crazy. It's constantly taking people off piste. I actually did an interview the other day on News Nation where the host was like, well, he promised results on autism by September and that's unrealistic. And I was like, who gives a fuck if it's unrealistic? Aren't you glad we're looking at it? It's genetic. I'm like, do you really believe that?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
It's higher in California, obviously, than anywhere else in the country. And boys in particular over girls. The reality is that we don't know.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
That was debunked, though, by the MIND Institute at UC Davis. It was like, no, bullshit. It was one in 150 20 years ago.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
But it's a closed system. And what I mean by that is even if... I did the gimme. Oh, you're right. Autism is genetic. Well, what about the rise in early onset cancer diagnosis, the rise in obesity, the steady increase of infertility year after year after year? We went from adult onset diabetes to type 2 diabetes because children have type 2 diabetes now. Come on. How far are you going to push it?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
People are not stupid. They're not. You can capture them to a point. But when the evidence is overwhelming, we are sicker than ever. And the resistance is mind blowing to this guy every day.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I remember when Bill Maher. was talking about how it was people who, there was a study that came out of the CDC, and forgive me because I don't remember the exact percentage, but it was upwards of 80% of the people who died or had severe cases of COVID were obese or overweight. And this is when you could be healthy at any size. That PSYOP was in full effect.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Hopefully that guy will get his job back. But at the end of the day, he's also tackling the grass rule and trying to get to the bottom of autism and getting poison out of baby formula and removing soda from snaps. It's just like, where is the perspective for the general public to read through the media bullshit?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
But arguably, when our parents were our age, it was reliable. I don't think so. No?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I have heard it's the CIA slush fund. I've watched that episode with my friends.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Can I be the opposition on this? Sure, please do. There's children that are starving, Joe. You've taken their food away.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Homelessness in California, 24 billion gone. Where is it? It was spent on free needles or something. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what it was spent on.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Half a million in some cases. I don't know if you've seen Anna Kasparian talk about this, but she... can elaborate on this subject matter to the point that you literally want to forcibly remove Gavin Newsom from office. It is staggering. And some of them, half a million bucks. And nothing. They're doing a great job.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
We'd all be homeless. I know. You've seen him talk about- Everyone would be homeless.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Well, you know, it's I just had this conversation. Actually, I was talking to Carolla and he was telling me that Gavin Newsom had told him back in the day that the face of homelessness was not addiction and mental illness. It was women and children. And there's a loophole. A friend of mine who's a reporter with The New York Times looked into it. Because she's like, why don't you push back on that?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Because he's right. She goes, no, no, no, no. I looked into it and it's women and children. And then she ended up getting to the bottom of the loophole. And the way that he was able to put forward that narrative is that homeless is a person without a stable address. And that's predominantly women and children.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
But unsheltered is what we consider homeless, the people in the streets and the tent camps. And arguably that is largely homeless.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Okay, so Newsom was saying to Carolla, like, you're so insensitive.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
He was saying that women, like the mom that owns two jobs, that's who I'm trying to save. Like, we don't need to tackle addiction and we don't need to tackle mental illness because this is about the underprivileged individual, the female single mom with two kids. who, you know, this is the face of homelessness. And Carolla was like, you're a sociopath. It's addicts and people with mental illness.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Oh, I was completely unraveling. People ask me, like, what happened? You were a good liberal.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And I ended up then in a debate with this journalist who's lovely named Molly. And she's like, well, the statistics say that homelessness is, in fact, women and children. But when I challenged her and sent her San Francisco, whatever, we go back and forth. And she ended up coming back to me after doing the homework. And there is a distinction between homeless and unsheltered homeless.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
So homeless are people with unstable addresses, and that is women and children. I couldn't quite extrapolate what- So is it like divorce? I guess it's in temporary housing or in an apartment somewhere, but unsheltered, the people on the street that you and I would go- Homeless. In the tent camp outside on the sidewalk. So they're playing semantics. That's what he's doing.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
That's what I'm trying to get at. How gross. Yes! I'm sorry. I cannot stand the guy.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
But don't believe what you see with your own eyes. That's the game across the board. Don't believe your common sense. Common sense would dictate all the things we talked about. Autism is increasing. We shouldn't give sex change. We shouldn't sterilize 12-year-olds. But don't believe any of that. Don't believe that people who are homeless need help psychologically.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
You need some way to treat the addiction. Obviously, there are more intelligent people like Schellenberger that have a plan for this, despite the fact that he didn't get into the governor's office, which is a shame because he would have done far better than what California is dealing with now. But it's this constant game and manipulation of the facts all the time.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I haven't changed. Nor have I. I go issue by issue with my friends. And I'm like, you show me where I've shifted my position on any issue outside of Trump. I used to think he was Hitlerian and he was going to round up all the gays and we were all fucked. None of that happened. I thought Russia, Russia, Russia. I thought that was real. So.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And this is where if I could do one thing in my job, it's teaching people how to defer back to their common sense. It's crazy.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Oh, my God. Well, I went through all of it. But then when you finally decide it doesn't matter anymore. you become immune. So I was, I was, it's interesting back in the day when I, you know, my friend used to refer to me in this capacity. She'd say, you know, you're like the fat person's Jesus. This is the early 2000s.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Oh, Julian Michaels is, you know, doesn't judge, but then she's open arms and she's trying to help people. And then the very same person, with the very same belief system and the very same strategies in dealing with the problem, became the ultimate enemy, the ultimate fat shamer, the ultimate science denier. And it just goes to show you how the narratives shift.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
It's tough to call me a transphobe because I fall under that acronym umbrella, despite the fact that gay is very different than trans. I've never really understood the acronym either. It's a trap. It completely. Yeah. But you can't say, like, go ahead.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I'm married to a woman. It's tough to like you can try. I haven't been hit with a racist card, although I'm waiting for it. I don't know. Maybe because my kid is Haitian and she gives me a pass. I have no idea. But, you know, you get certain protections there. Simply because you're a card-carrying member of the club. But I got hit with everything outside of that.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
You know, transphobe-ish, fat shamer, and anti-science, and ableist, and privileged, and all that stuff.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I did see that. Alt-right. Yes. Wonderful. Alt-right. MSNBC. Wonderful. Alt-right. I liked that. I like that one a lot.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I will tell you, though, I don't think that it is losing as much power as I had hoped. And I reference Elon Musk. And here's why. It's seemingly working. I know a lot of people that think he's an anti-Semite. You sure about that?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
As new evidence came to light and I managed to survive his first term intact along with my gay relationships, I somehow started to feel that maybe a lot of that was bullshit propaganda. But outside of that, not one of my positions has changed. Not one. And I find that arguably the right is more welcoming and more tolerant now.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
But Joe, what about the video, the montage of all the liberals, including AOC, engaging in the same sig hail.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
People buy that shit, and they are still buying it, and that scares me. And in an argument on Piers Morgan, it raised my voice a little bit. I was like, well, I don't know. I don't think he's an anti-Semite.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I remember him going after October 7th and talking about the videos that he'd seen. But the guy was like, oh, that's your benchmark. He doesn't kill Jews. And I was like, no, that's yours. You're the one comparing him to Hitler who killed six million Jews. So if you're going to draw that comparison, zero, six million. So shut the fuck up.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I see that. That's their slush fund. But can I tell you how many reasonable people?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
That's when I tell you. I don't know that it's actually losing its power.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
They did that to Candace Owens. Yes. Oh, she's disgusting anti-Semite. So I listened to her. I listened to her answer all that stuff on her show. And then I listened to her debate it with Rabbi Shmuley. And I thought, OK, let's see what a bitch she is. And I listened to everything she said and I checked it all and watched it in context.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And then I actually sat with her and I was like, all right, I'm going to open the door.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
But do you think that she, I'm like, are you a Holocaustener? No, I'm not a Holocaust denier. And still to this day, she's a Holocaust denier.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I can sit down and have a conversation with Matt Walsh and debate gay marriage in a civil fashion and And I ended up, again, I bring up Bill because I work with Bill in some capacity on his podcast network. And I was having to defend him on Piers Morgan because he was sitting down with Trump. And they called him a bigot and a racist and anti-science because he was going to sit with Trump.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
But reductionist things that people love to do. But even still, here would be my argument to that.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
If you're inclined to believe that, let's say that was his argument and that Hitler wasn't bad and it was Churchill, then you're an asshole and an idiot. Then there's no hope for you. This gatekeeping of information.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Of course. Of course. I'm saying worst case scenario. Because I see this a lot with the gatekeeping of information. And God forbid you don't fact check everybody on everything, which has been something that I've gotten a bit of it. Like, well, you nodded your head and you said I see your point. I'm like, well, sometimes I see their point and sometimes I don't know.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And I can't fact check everything. And I'll talk to somebody else who has a differing opinion. But people can think for themselves as well.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
But you're listening to them, though. That's exactly what you're trying to say. One of the conversations I've referred to a couple of times is the one I had with Matt Walsh. I don't know. I don't. There's no universe. I'm going to change Matt Walsh's mind about gay marriage. But at least I want to understand them.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And I also am hoping that some people who are in the middle of this argument and could be influenced might go my way. And there was I cannot remember if this was a TED talk or where this information or the story was put out in the world. But it was the story of a black man who ended up befriending a grand wizard of the Klan. Darryl Davis.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I'm like, well, where's the outrage that he sits down with Newsom? I hate that guy way more.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
it must have been your show actually where I heard it, but it changed the way that I approach 99% of my conversations because I thought, okay, if I listen with an intent to hear and an intent to understand and I can expose people to the things they're uncomfortable with in a way where we find common ground, I may not change their mind, but at least you're, in some cases you hopefully can, and at least you're modeling people
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And I love when I get to do it because you're allowed to act unhinged. You still have to make your points. But it is theatrical. But sometimes I think when you are able to be so theatrical, it goes viral. And the point that you're trying to make is arguably seen by more, unless it's a platform, of course, like yours.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Improved your mood. Yeah, of course you would. Your sex life would get better, all of those things. Of course you'd take it. That's a defense mechanism, though. You know that. Right. It's a fear that they would be incapable of following through on what's required. So they defend against it. It's the same shit you see with the people that are overweight and like, I don't care.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Or they make fun of their weight and like they become the funny fat guy. It's a defense mechanism.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
There was a guy, I went to kill Tony last night and there was a comedian that was up first. And he was 412 pounds, and the guys were doing what they obviously do. But there was a part of my heart that was splitting. Of course. Because I was like, deep down, he's hurting. Deep down, this fucking guy's hurting. Deep down, it's not funny.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Oh, my God. Which is impossible, by the way. Right. Because the food is designed to override your satiety.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
But the whole entire food system, all of the ultra-processed foods is designed to override your body's signaling of satiety. It's fucking impossible. And then you couple that with the psychological vulnerabilities, and it's a powder keg. You sound like an ad for Ozempic. That's exactly what I am. Oh, my God, I'm going to get that tattoo, man. Afro-Zempic dragon believer.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I got the sticker, by the way. It's on my suitcase. Fuck, yeah, I like that. Afro-Zempic.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
That's so true. And breaking that identity, in particular when it works against someone. So one of the things that people can't believe in a reality they haven't experienced.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
My mom is a psychoanalyst, PhD. This is a very educated, thoughtful woman.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And so one of the ways that I used to utilize fitness was to give them an experience that they didn't think they were capable of. So all of a sudden you've got the funny fat guy who just ran that mile without stopping. Or who just did the push-up on the hands and the feet or just did 10 pull-ups in a row or even two push-ups. But once they look at their achievement, it's like, holy shit.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I didn't know I was capable of this. And then you shatter that prison of limiting beliefs and you open up an infinity of possibility.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
You see all of that with – you know, back in the day, I used to get so caught up in the fights about diets and fat diets and fat workouts. And as I've matured or like to think that I have matured, I don't even engage in that shit anymore. It really doesn't matter what workout you're doing. If you're doing it with a qualified professional or if people are showing up for CrossFit –
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
because they love CrossFit and they love the community, great. If they're showing up for Pilates because they love the community and they're showing up for it, great. As long as they're showing up for something and the person teaching them, a great CrossFit coach, matters. That's a big... difference between you herniating three discs and getting into the best shape of your life.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
So I would simply say, look for a qualified expert.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
You know, I'm beyond the what's the best diet and what's the best, who gives a fuck? As long as you're, if you're in a positive environment that's getting you to show up for it. Day after day after day, something's better than nothing. It doesn't matter.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
You're not wrong about that. I still find it fun, though. Because what you hold in... For all those civil conversations where you're biting your tongue, you're trying to communicate calmly, articulately, here you can just unleash.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Yes. And that comes with community. For sure, you're absolutely right.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
That's why I think community is such an integral part of treating addiction. Because you have that supportive group to keep you accountable, to show up, to feel like you're a part of something. And we've seen it work for you and work against you.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Yes, you're right. The rewards have to be there. And admirable is one.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Aren't you immune to that by now, though? You have been forged in fire. For fuck's sake. What are they going to say to you at this point that you're even going to care about?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Like, you know... My wife used to do that for a little while because she would worry and want me to kind of, like, temper my behavior. Right. My business partner would do the same thing. Like, oh, I really... Yeah. Because you should stay in the pocket here on the fitness stuff. But...
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And you can just let it rip and freaking tear into people because they started it. They started the fight.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I found that the more I would lean into that, it didn't matter how many attacks would come my way because you would resonate with the people that got it. And that ended up working better for me personally and professionally. But you're right. It is their concern of how they would feel if people called them those things or came for them with the pitchforks and the torches.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
You get caught up in it. Yeah, you get caught up in it. It's ridiculous. The only time I find myself doing that these days, and I'm going to stop it, is when my son will challenge me on something, and then my mother is like, we're debating something. She's like, honey, you're litigating this with a 13-year-old. And I was like, yeah, okay. And you know why?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Because I still care what my kids think about me. Sure. But the rest of the world, I don't give a fuck.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
They really do. I've learned how, especially in the health space when I would be active in a conversation about fitness or nutrition or what have you, you learn how to bulletproof yourself in that conversation.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
It is insane. And there's also so much infighting in every industry, which bums me out. And that's when I just was like, what am I doing?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
You do and I hate it. And it's super disappointing because we can share ideas and we can, as you said, admit when we're wrong and learn and grow and what have you. But the real enemy is not another frigging doctor or another PhD with a different opinion. Right. We've seen who the real enemy is. And it's big pharma when it's got bad intentions or big food with bad intentions or big ag.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
It's not going to be like the guy who has a different opinion on cholesterol. For fuck's sake.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
attention and the way to get the attention is to dunk on that person to say awful things yeah but then people dunk on you and then now you're now your life is conflict okay good job when they when they do i i like to sit down and see if there's truth there like you said yeah you know i i've i've not been immune to some of lane norton's assaults and you know what
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
You are like a very gentle soul. I watch you sometimes and you're just – you're so – not sometimes. I watch you often and you're a very gentle soul. And sometimes I think, God, toxic masculinity. Like you're so – That whole notion, all of the men in your space tend to be far kinder and softer and it's the women that are savages. I mean, I happen to love I love Megyn Kelly.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
we sat down and I was like, listen, Lane, the things you're going after me on are not from me. It's from this PhD, that PhD, this PhD in the American Medical Association. And I had him on my podcast and by the time we were done, he won me over. I was like, I believe you. I think you're right. I'm changing my position on this. You know, but,
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Sometimes, you're right, it's because someone is getting attention or there's envy there. And I would simply say you can intuit when a criticism might be legitimate. And when you're seeing it over and over and over again and it's a similar thing, there's something to look at there.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Yeah. I was blown away. You know how crazy that is? She was – I mean, and she would know. And she was showing me stuff, bot farms and shit all along the wall. Yeah. Yeah, and then you're just engaging with the machine.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Yes. You know, did you ever see that? I'm sure, of course, you would have. But I remember when I was talking to Senator Johnson and he was exposing me to the Trusted News Initiative. And this is the whole newscasters that have the exact same script and say the exact same thing.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
It's a narrative. And when he told me, he was, God, this blew my mind. He went pre-COVID. He was talking about this event at the Milken Institute where Fauci and I – oh, my God, I'm going to screw this up. I think it's this guy Rick Bright. Forgive me because this may be wrong. But this group of people, definitely Fauci, were talking about what it would take to get a global vaccine program.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Fauci says probably going to take a pandemic. And this is like five months before COVID.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
You know, just put my tin hat on and roll myself in tinfoil and jump all the way down the rabbit hole. But then Averill Haynes said, well, what are we going to do about misinformation at this event that she put on shortly after that? And he said that's where they came up with the Trusted News Initiative.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
No, no. I would argue against in this case. I do appreciate people who see flaws in psychoanalysis. But I've learned a huge amount from my mom in this area. And she also majored in journalism before changing careers to psychoanalysis. And so for her to even wrap her head around the fact that journalism can be compromised is almost inconceivable.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I knew the we've got to reconsider the First Amendment. I've seen all those clips. That is some scary shit. It's like Senator Kerry, Bill Gates, Hillary Clinton. And do we criminalize people who are promoting this misinformation? But I did not hear Matt.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Oh, God, no. But I've heard them all say that. Oh, my God.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I think she's brilliant. But God damn, I never want to be on the wrong side of her.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
You. Oh, my God. What did you post? I think it was the cover of The New Yorker that said something about doing away with the First Amendment. Yeah.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
She'll rip your head off and like eat your heart. Do not fuck with that woman. You know, so anyway, I think that some of the women in the space are genuinely more aggressive than the men.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
That to me, when you're having this debate about Kamala versus Trump. I'm like, how do you guys have this selective outrage about what's flipping your shit?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Yeah. I mean, come on. And there was a deportation order. Just say it. So you can't.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I know what you're talking about. I thought the exact same thing.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I was giving an interview to this woman from the New York Times and she's like, but don't you see this? And I was like, I do see it and I don't understand it and I wish it would be different. But then you get into the lesser evils. I wrote her back and I was like, I don't agree with my previous position based on the current information available to me now. It seems like he was a gang member. Yeah.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I know. And what I have learned so far, because I've really been trying to get to the bottom of that one, because I don't understand why the left isn't leaning on that one. The other guy beats his wife, suspected trafficker. You want to be outraged? This guy is a gay hairdresser. I guess he committed... I was listening to Tim Pool talk about this. Immigration fraud.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
So, listen, that guy's a tough one. He doesn't belong in an El Salvador prison. I agree with you completely.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Now, okay, hold on. Here would be the argument there. I think, if I'm understanding it correctly, is that if somebody... can be deported, but they are withheld because of asylum. Correct me if I'm wrong here. Because they worry going back to their home country is dangerous or deadly, like Kilmer Obrego Garcia.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Because he's not a gang member, but he's afraid of being killed by other gangs that aren't MS-13. You caught that one, right? So it's like, I can't go home. Because the other gangs will kill me, but I'm not a gang member. Nevertheless, there's a deportation order on him, so I believe that they can just send him to a third country, and that's not illegal. That's something I heard.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
You could not be more right about that. But tell me then, why is the left not hanging there? Why is he not the poster child, that guy?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
No, I don't think so. And I find that it's more respectable when you speak in the fashion that you do. And I've tried to really curtail that behavior throughout every other aspect of my life, personally and professionally, whether I'm fighting with the contractor on my house or I try to lower the octaves of my voice or I'm trying to win somebody over in a debate.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
There's two courts that determined he was an MS-13 gang member. The cops had an informant that was an extremely reliable source that said he is MS-13. The guy, the wife was like, he beats me and then withdrew, I guess, but had filed a report.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Yes. The cops pulled the guy over with eight guys in the car going like from Texas to Maryland, I think, or from Maryland to Texas. No luggage, no tools and suspected him of trafficking. I mean. And again, I will simply say, if you didn't apply for a... Why are they hanging their hat on this one and not the gay hairdresser?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
He had a deportation order, 100%, and then said, I am worried that the other gangs will kill me. And so that's when they withheld... the deportation order, but he can be deported to another country legally. That's the part that if he's not a gang member, why is he worried about being killed by other gangs? I mean, just like, this is a common sense piece that we, I don't know.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I'd hang my hat on the, on the gay hairdresser guy.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I've told him a couple of times. I was like, Greg, burn the passport, babe. This will work. He's half Latin. He's my half brother. He could get away with it. He looks the part. It is bananas.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I've had this conversation with intelligent people and they're like, well, there's no evidence that they're voting. Okay. But if we were to game this all the way out, if I was to hit Elon's points that I believe I understand, first of all, I think they can vote in some states in local elections.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And Karen Bass becomes Gavin Newsom, becomes, God forbid, the president of the United States. So there's a reason we've got this whole grassroots thing going on, I would imagine. And then I'm told that when they sign up for benefits, they... potentially can sign them up to reach out to them to vote. That could be conspiracy theory, though. Very much so. I'm talking out of my ass. I don't know.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
But I think, you know, Joe, honestly, I think because it's entertaining.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Exactly. When I ask people who are on the other side, I'm like, game this out for me. Steal a man this argument. What is the logic?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Oh, I have seen that. Oh my God. And I saw the black guy making fun of her. Yes.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Like, what is this? Oh my God. Which is the most racist thing that you could possibly say.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Did you see that video? I think it came out of PragerU where they were saying like, well, you know, black people don't, it was like they don't have access to ID and they can't figure out, same thing.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Staggeringly gross. It's crazy. Okay, how about this one? I've also been told that the more people you have in a census, it doesn't matter if they're legal citizens, you get more representation.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Here would be my answer. Because you can lick everything in the fridge. And what I mean by that is you don't have a niche. Seriously. I'm not kidding. I've never heard that expression before. You can talk about anything and everything. And it's fascinating. And people tune in for it.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Well, then effectively you can make a president a lame duck. Right.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I go on record as saying I am pro-legal immigration.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Unless you're a Native American. And when you appreciate the ways in which legal immigration enriches a community, stimulates the economy, and you can control the flow. And as Gad Saad likes to explain, they support their host community when they're brought in legally. But when it's illegal, it overwhelms the infrastructure. You bring in criminals. You don't know who's here.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
He's an app. Thanks to you. I know of him many years now. And I mean, he's an absolute genius. He articulates it like no one else.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I do tend to lean. Dave Smith, after the show you did the other day, I reached out to him and I was like, all right, I got to tell you, I've always leaned more pro-Israel and you opened my mind to a few things and I... Don't become a monster to fight monsters. I won't. That's what it is. But that's the thing.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
But like you didn't let aid into the country. Yeah. I didn't even know that. They killed aid workers.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And it's not that you don't like Jews. I'll preface by saying my grandmother ran from the friggin Nazis. And according to my 23 and me, 30 something percent Jewish. However, it's I don't necessarily like Netanyahu. And I don't agree with a lot of the ways he's handled it. But it doesn't mean I don't understand what happened. I'm not appalled. I'm not disgusted.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I personally think that kid Mahmoud Khalil should get the fuck out of here personally. I'm sorry. Like I the kid I could get into that one, too. Like I see all of that and I lean more towards the Israel issue.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
They don't come here because they want to hear about politics or they want to hear about health or they want to hear about fucking aliens. They come here because they want to hear about all of it. And they want to hear what you think about.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I learned a ton. And it changed my mind on some things. Like, I friggin' loved it. I thought they both, I'm sorry, at the end of the day, I thought they both made great points. I really did.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I understand that. Like Daryl. Like the Daryl gentleman. The Daryl thing's crazy.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I didn't – I actually never saw that show with him, so I wasn't able to fully comprehend the accusations and simply thought, like, you can't gatekeep information and people are – if somebody is going to believe that if this was in fact the truth, right, and he was this guy that was saying Hitler was innocent and – or not innocent, but the lesser evil with regard to Churchill versus Hitler.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
He was a Jew, wasn't he? Who? I think Hitler was a Jew. What? Jamie, will you check that?
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Hold on. I think so. I think he had some Jewish blood. Check it real quick, will you? I remember hearing something.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
about all of it, so it's not really interesting when someone else does it, because they're not there to see what that individual thinks about the subject matter. So when I turn into Megyn Kelly, it's like, or tune in, it's because I want... Don't turn into her. No, I'm not, I'm not. The fuck no, dude. I'm not messing with her. She's a lovely person and she's been nothing but lovely with me.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Oh, Jesus. All right, I shit the bed on that one. I shit the bed on that one.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
If you can't disseminate that bit of information, because let's say, again, hypothetically, this gentleman Daryl was trying to make that point, then you're an idiot. If you can't determine...
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
If you can't determine that that person's fucked up, you're an idiot.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
No, I know. I'm suggesting that if... The worst case scenario was that. But I appreciate what you're saying. That wasn't his point. And I haven't done any – I have not done any homework on it.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I hear you. Do you find that you fall victim to that sometimes? I see myself do it on occasion where you hear a narrative and I don't dig deeper on it and I've been guilty of it a couple of times.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I'm sure. As mentioned, I am not interested in being on her bad side. However, when I tune in, it's not because I want to see... her reaction or her opinion on something, it's because I want to learn what is the counter argument to deporting this guy, Kilmar Obrego Garcia. I'm like, okay, steel man that argument for me and then tune into something else and try to disseminate what the truth is.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Well, he lifted the moratorium on it. That's the irony, I think, didn't he? Obama put a moratorium on it, and I think Trump lifted the frigging moratorium.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
You've read the email where his team obviously is like, yo, listen, this is highly suspect.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
Yeah, for the sake of science and global harmony, let's not pursue this path. And then the nature study came out.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
That looks like a report my daughter would put together, by the way, for high school.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
But what's even more amazing is that each and every one of those points is exactly what Brett Weinstein laid out on your show in March of 2020.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
I pulled the freaking car over and started Googling shit on the side of Pacific Coast Highway.
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#2313 - Jillian Michaels
And that was my Neo moment in The Matrix. That was it. I was forever gone.