Jefferson Morley
Appearances
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Well, that's what this document, it raises the question, right? If somebody knows the contents of that censored page and came to me and said, Jeff, I'll tell you what's in there, you know, under the law right now, they would be taking a certain legal risk. You know, that's a fact.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
And, you know, when a JFK whistleblower approached me a couple of years ago, and I wrote about this on JFK Facts last year, You know, he described to me a secret CIA facility in northern Virginia where he had worked as a contractor. And he said, there's a JFK archive in there. He had seen it. He had talked to the people, to the woman who ran it, who controlled access to it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
So it's important to know what we've learned in the recent past, kind of the context of these latest developments, and what is possible under this order. But a lot is now possible. So that's a great development.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
He saw what was on the on the shelves there. So, you know. That guy, it was risky for him to talk to me. And it took a long time for me to convince him to come forward. And he only came forward after a couple of years when he realized nothing was happening. There was no prospect of the CIA coming clean. So that's important. I'll tell you something else that's good about President Trump's order.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
I think it makes it easier for any whistleblowers to come forward. And I'd like to say, if there are people out there who have access to classified information, consult your lawyer. But I think President Trump's order effectively, well, it reduces their risk about talking about things that are classified. Because the president's saying, we want all of this out. That carries some weight.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
So that in itself is an important development.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Yeah, that was an amazing story. And it goes to show you that, you know, talking about this stuff... you can be threatened with legal action. That's still possible. So that threat needs to be removed. And I hope the president's order has done that, and that people can feel that this is perfectly legitimate to talk about.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
There are no real national security concerns in this material, except for the fact that the assassination of a president is a national security concern, right?
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Yeah. So another story, which I reported on JFK facts last year. Before President Kennedy was assassinated in November 1963, the CIA had Lee Harvey Oswald under surveillance for four years. By November 21st, 1963, they had compiled 180 pages of material on Oswald.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
His personal life, his political beliefs, his contact with a KGB officer, his arrest, they had all of that at the time Kennedy was leaving for Dallas. CIA counterintelligence chief James Angleton knew that Oswald was in the Dallas area in the first week of November of 1963. That pre-assassination Oswald file was not completely declassified until April 2023. That's how sensitive this is.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
And they're very good at keeping this stuff off the public record. And, you know, now when you go to people in in the mainstream media, they won't report on Oswald's pre-assassination file. They'll say, oh, they were just covering their asses. They make excuses for the CIA instead of saying, hey, you had 180 pages on the guy.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
You know, was that extreme negligence, intentional negligence or actual complicity? You know, and we don't we don't know. But that file is the pre-assassination Oswald file is one of the most significant things to come out in recent years, for sure.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
No. When the Warren Commission interviewed CIA Director John McCone and Deputy Director Richard Helms behind closed doors, only Warren Commission members there were Allen Dulles and Gerald Ford, and John Sherman Cooper was there for a little bit. They lied. I mean, they committed perjury, especially Helms, and said, we didn't have any information about Oswald before the assassination.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Minimal information, that was the line. So in their mind, 180-page file on Oswald, that was minimal information. Pay no attention and don't hold us accountable for missing the fact that this guy killed the president. We're sorry, Mrs. Kennedy, but that's just the way life is. That's their attitude. It's bland arrogance. And we see it to this day.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
So the president's order orders a plan within 15 days from four top officials, two of whom are acting and two of whom are Trump appointees, to come up with a plan for declassification.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
You know, I wrote a book about James Angleton, the counterintelligence chief who ran the Oswald, who held the Oswald file from 1959 to 1963. Angleton told the church committee kind of off the record that he believed RFK had been killed by organized crime figures. So there's the body of records from the LA Police Department.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
The CIA had people in the LAPD who helped control the investigation of the assassination and exclude marginalized witnesses who didn't say what the government wanted said. The RFK documents are a problem because they're not in one place and it will take a little bit of effort to collect them.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
And it's good that the president wrote in 45 days, not 15 days for those documents, because it's going to take a little more work. That's a reasonable delay in light of, you know, getting, you know, getting, finding and getting and releasing those documents.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Yeah, I mean, you have the testimony of the coroner who was hyper aware that the JFK autopsy was a joke and a fraud. And Dr. Noguchi said that Kennedy's head wound was a contact wound, that the gun had been close to Kennedy's head when the shot was fired. Well, Sirhan Sirhan was never that close to RFK.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
So that alone is kind of indisputable factual evidence of a deficiency at a minimum in the official story. So also, I think, you know, in the long and I'm not an expert on RFK assassination, but when you see how CIA assassination operations worked and the kind of techniques that they used, you can't rule out that Sirhan was under some kind of mind control program.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
In the president's order, section three of the president's order contains a loophole, which to me could be interpreted as saying the CIA director could overrule any decision that comes out of this declassification effort. That's a pretty big loophole that needs to be plugged or disavowed because the agencies cannot have final control over the release of this material, right?
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
I mean, they had a mind control program, and it was designed to do things like this. Commit an act, and you have no memory of it. So we know they were working on that technology. Could it have been applied here? That's why we need the records, so that we can assess, is that a real possibility?
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Yeah. I mean, it's a striking detail.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Yeah. I mean, the the problem that they have is that. I don't have a conspiracy theory. So the label of conspiracy theorist just doesn't apply. And the other thing is, you know, nobody can deny the stuff that I'm talking about. Let me mention another JFK document that's very important and I think will interest you.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
One of the things that's withheld and is in the JFK collection right now is the testimony of James Angleton in 1975 to the church committee about the Israeli nuclear program. This is a 113-page document, and it's heavily redacted to this day, and the redactions clearly pertain to Israel. Now, is this an assassination-related document? Absolutely.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
The Assassination Records Review Board said this is an assassination-related document. It meets the statutory definition, okay? If the president and this effort are serious, that testimony will be declassified because Angleton controlled the Oswald file on the one hand, and he was in contact with the Israelis on the other. So it belongs in the public record.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
That's another test of, is this serious effort?
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Well, it relates to what Angleton was doing in 1963. There were profound conflicts between Israel and the Kennedy White House over the nuclear program. Kennedy was pressing for on-site inspections, which the Israelis resisted because On-site inspections would have realized that they had a bomb-making program.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
So this was a real bone of contention between the Israeli government and the Kennedy administration in the summer of 1963, at a time when Engleton controlled the Oswald file. So just the juxtaposition of those facts means that everything about it should be on the public record.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
I mean, it's very hard to tell sometimes from this testimony, given all the redactions. But yeah, that's, you know, was he secretly supporting Israel against JFK? That's one of the questions that needs to be answered by full disclosure.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Well, because in 1975, the CIA had been revealed to be running assassination programs, to be running a mind control program. to be spying on the anti-war movement, spying on Americans. So he was hauled before. And Congress, who was completely in the dark, had been duped or wanted to be duped. Suddenly, their eyes woke up.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
They've been resisting full disclosure since the day President Kennedy died. That's the day that the CIA's lies began. CIA officials began lying about what they knew about Lee Harvey Oswald within hours of President Kennedy's murder. And they've been obfuscating, lying, deceiving, covering up, evading ever since.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
And they had to explain to their constituents, hey, what have these guys been doing in our name? And so Angleton was called in. And this was all executive session testimony. So he was grilled about lots of things, about domestic spying, about the Israeli nuclear program. about the JFK assassination.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Interestingly enough, he was not questioned about Oswald because even the church committee did not know the extent of the pre-assassination surveillance of Oswald. That's only something we've learned since the 1990s.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Yeah, basically, he dropped the demand for on-site inspections. He dropped the demand that AIPAC be classified as a domestic lobby. And, you know, there was really no accountability after that. And the story only emerged, you know, 10 years later when the church committee started pressing Angleton for some explanations.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Yeah, and this is a tough call for the president because he's going to get very strong pushback from his national security apparatus supported by the CIA, supported by – Israeli interests to say, no, you can't talk about that. That's not permitted. You know, you can't don't do that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Like I say, there's some very clear benchmarks to figure out. Is this working or not? And, you know, are people holding up the process and and obstructing the president's wishes or are they, you know, are they really going along? And so the proof is in the pudding. You know, the president's sentiment is great. It's great that a president has committed to this.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
It's amazing that no president has committed in this way before. But we'll take it. I'm not I'm not a supporter of President Trump. But on this issue, he's absolutely right. And we need to follow through on what he said.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
So that kind of bureaucratic behavior, it's not going to stop just because President Trump said something on a piece of paper. They are going to continue to fight a rearguard war. effort to prevent full disclosure of CIA records related to President Kennedy's assassination. So we need to be vigilant.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
We need to identify the documents are important and set some benchmarks to show, is this effort really obtaining the results? Is it really going to be successful at obtaining full JFK disclosure?
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
No, the 1992 JFK Records Act passed unanimously by Congress. Think of that, right? When's the last time Congress passed something unanimously? That law said that all JFK records had to be made public within 25 years, except in the rarest of circumstances. That was the language. So 25 years after 1992, 2017, that deadline arrived. It came to President Trump.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
And he caved into the CIA's demands for continuing secrecy. So that was a very clear expression of the will of the people and the will of Congress. And they've just blown the deadline. They don't really care to be seen. They don't care that people see them violating the law around JFK records.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
So, well, there's two places. There's 3,600 plus documents that are held by the National Archives that contain redactions. Those are in the possession. Those documents should be very easy to review and release quickly if they're serious about declassification and full disclosure.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
So then those records were identified by the JFK Assassination Review Board in the 1990s, which did a great job of obtaining and declassifying a million pages of JFK records. So we've had a huge advance in historical knowledge since the 1990s. And what that showed us was the existence of other JFK records that the review board never knew about. often because the CIA deceived them.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
So we need a capacity to get those records that are in the National Archives right now, but we also need to go out and get the records that are known to exist that are not yet in that collection. So there's two big bodies of records that are out there, and a serious declassification effort will get both of them.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
CIA and FBI, yes. And other agencies, too.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
You know, when we start seeing documents, it's pretty easy to establish some benchmarks about, you know, what are the most important records. And, you know, we will see in both categories have those documents come into the record. So if we monitor the process, we should be able to say, is this serious or not? You know, I think that, you know, the president has ordered a plan in 15 days.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
I don't think that means we're going to get documents in 15 days. And so, you know, but if we don't get documents within 30 days of the plan, then you got to start saying this thing has been taken, has gone off the rails.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
I think the only explanation is that the CIA has something to hide and they'd rather be seen as defying the law than releasing the information. I mean, that tells you something right there. And, you know, we can go into the specifics of, you know, some of the key documents that are out there that are important to be produced soon.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
But until that happens, you know, we can't be sure that it's going to happen.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Yes. I mean, the documents that I'm talking about in the National Archives collection, I mean, they're in the possession of National Archives today. They could go get them this afternoon. The documents that are not yet in the collection, those are known to exist and, I mean, known to exist, you know, as of recently. So...
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
You know, if they're not produced, if we find evidence they've been destroyed, then we have pretty good evidence that, you know, that the cover up is continuing. But these are documents that are known to exist. This isn't a fishing expedition. This is a search for JFK records that have not been put on the public record by the CIA and the FBI.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Yeah. And, you know, it was interesting to me that in Ratcliffe's confirmation hearings, he was not asked about JFK files, which makes me think that it's not a priority of Tom Cotton and the Senate Intelligence Committee. It seemed like they were staying away from the subject.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
You know, which, like you noted, had been central to the idea that Amaryllis Fox might take a job at the CIA to oversee this. You know, so, you know, there's got to be a commitment from Radcliffe to make sure that this happens. And I don't think that he's ever said anything by JFK files. You may know differently, but I've never seen anything. So he has no position as far as I can tell.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Well, it's just... I know from the news reports that RFK Jr. floated the idea of having her go to CIA and kind of oversee the process to get to the bottom of the JFK assassination was the quote that I saw. So... You know, you need to have a bureaucratic point person to ride herd on this because the agencies are going to be very reluctant. So that's a good idea.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
You know, whether it's her, I mean, a former CIA officer, that's somebody who would be qualified, who knows that building and would be able to do that. Somebody else could do it as well. But you are going to need a point person. The way it's set up now, it looks like NSC advisor Mike Walls will probably be the point person along with the attorney general.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
So as that takes shape, you know, that's a key thing is what's the real commitment to ride herd on this as opposed to just issue a piece of paper and then let the bureaucracy do what it does?
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
I mean, those of us who've been calling for the release of these records for more than a decade, this is a great and promising moment. But there's still pitfalls ahead. And I want to emphasize that, you know, this is not something that can be done with the stroke of a pen. The powers of these secret agencies are strong and we actually kind of see their influence even on Trump's statement.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
You know, I don't know those records as well, but the fact that they're secret, I mean, you know, we don't need to argue about the conclusions. The point is we need the records and then we can have an informed debate. But right now we have no informed debate, especially about MLK, but even about JFK and RFK. We don't have all the records.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
So, you know, the CIA is very good and its allies in the establishment media are very good at, That's right. That's right.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
If we get the documents that I'm talking about, that will not be a credible narrative. And let me cite a couple of examples, Tucker, because this isn't a fishing expedition. OK, so in one of the key documents that's still redacted, unbelievably, in my view, is a memo that Arthur Schlesinger wrote to JFK after the Bay of Pigs. Kennedy was very disillusioned with the CIA.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
He felt they were trying to dictate policy to him. And he talked about reorganizing the CIA, in the words that are often quoted, breaking up the CIA and scattering it to the winds, right? So this was actually a concrete expression of that impulse. We need to do something about an agency that's out of control. Arthur Schlesinger writes up his thoughts.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
He's got a security clearance, does a very careful study of CIA operations. In that memo to Kennedy, there is still almost an entire page redacted. OK, so the CIA is censoring criticism of itself by the White House. And we're not allowed to see that 61 years later. So Schlesinger's memo, it's not about the events that happened in Dallas. It's about the alienation of Kennedy and the CIA.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
That's a that's a very basic test. If we don't get that document, the whole thing's a joke. OK, it's that simple.