Jeff Schoep

I join as a teenager, quickly rise up through the ranks.

Within a couple of years, I was appointed a national leader of that organization.

And then I was there for 27 years.

So I was taught racism and hate and to be an anti-Semite.

I wasn't a racist at that point or anything like that.

It was just thinking that it was cool, seeing the videos.

I remember watching old World War II documentaries thinking I'm going to find my grandfather in these footages.

And I just looked up to him and I sought out that path.

And once you're indoctrinated, once you join and you're overwhelmed with this kind of ideology, it becomes your whole world.

It's your echo chamber.

Everything about it, everything that you're involved in circles around that world.

How does that happen?

Well, at that age, you're not meeting the Nazis or anything like that.

Today, kids are online, and they are.

Oh, yeah, that's a good point.

Right.

But at that point, I wasn't.

So I was searching it out, and by the time I was 18, then I'm joining.

Yeah, you didn't have Kanye songs back then.

Right.