Jackie Botcher
Appearances
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
We canvassed the apartment complex. No one really saw anything. I can tell you that because that's in the paper that we canvassed the apartment complex. So right now we're just trying to get background, where she's been, who she's with. And we're trying to find any friends if we can of hers. But since she recently moved in the area, she doesn't seem to have too many friends.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
Unfortunately, Gina's mom couldn't provide much in the way of information, so...
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
How do you know, or how does she know Ricky? She met him from him hanging out on the back steps. He was locked out of his apartment. What apartment is he in? The one he was downstairs, the vacant one. He said he lived there with his sister and that she was at work and he walked out. and locked himself out.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
And he, she asked if he could sit in the apartment until she got home and they sat at the table and played cards. And we were all sitting in the living room. I mean, there was no harm, I thought, from sitting there playing cards, laughing, joking, playing cards. And then his sister came home and he left. When was that?
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
If I'm not allowed out there, I'm not going to leave all my clothes out there. I'm trying to get my shit and go. I'm trying to get my shit and go because I know I'm not allowed out there. After he said I was kicked out, I've been here at one time to get all my stuff and that was it.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
He's asking me these questions, so I'm like, I don't know about that. I'm never wrong. I can tell you a thing about my mom. But I don't know her specifically. You feel me? You feel me? He keeps asking me about his girls. But I told him what I know, though. Like, I told him everything I know, and I can say the same thing I told my mom. Go ahead. Tell me. He asked me when is that time I saw her.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
What was the answer? Which one? Oh, when I answered, I said the 26th, 27th, 28th.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
I was in the parking lot. Everything you say to me is going to come out later. It's going to come out.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
It's already been proven what happened. Do you understand what kind of evidence we have? Do you understand what kind of evidence? Do you understand? The best thing you can do right now is help yourself. I didn't do that shit. I promise you with my daughter's soul. I fucking promise you. Why you gotta lie to me? I'm trying to make you find the things here. To the truth.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
This is the detective. I didn't go to the inside, but I made it. I'll sleep at night. This is the detective. I made it. I'll sleep at night. This is the detective. I made it. I'll sleep at night.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
Where did you meet her at? As for what happened when they were in the apartment, Ricky put his own spin on things.
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Episode 280
I didn't have a knife, man. I didn't have no punch in that motherfucking knife.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
And why did she want this role then? Well, personally, they had a little beef going on. About what?
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
It was part of the plan. It was part of the plan. It was part of the plan. Part of the plan. Just saying, you wanted to do this, or she wanted to do this for a long time? She wanted to do that for a long time, but I just, you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't know what to do. Fuck, I know she told you, I forced her, I didn't force her to do this shit. You need to do this shit.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
She's thinking on her own motherfucking mind. She's thinking on her own mind, so I fucking helped her. I fucking helped her, man.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
I had made iced tea a couple days in a row and they were sucking it down like crazy. And she just really liked it the way I made it. She said, I never had iced tea like this before. There's a lot of things that y'all didn't have that I would make and she like really loved. And I said, well, go ask Lacey. She's got a few tea bags. I'll make another pitcher.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
Yes. He was coming out of the building. Out of that back door? So we seen him coming out, and you could tell somebody was struggling with something, and that thing was kind of big. Okay. Whatever it was, I don't even know what you would call it. And then he'd come over to the car. partway over like... Ricky's home or he put it down here? He put it down on the sidewalk.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
And what did it look like Ricky had? I didn't pay attention to what he actually had. He said it was a baby, a baby thing. That's what he called it. But then the next morning I seen a baby thing upside down in the dumpster. And I never really thought anything about that. The dumpster was totally full.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
And then when she didn't come right back up, I really didn't think about that. She might have liked all the fun stuff, because that was not unusual. But even the longer I started thinking about it, she always, she would have went for a walk. She would have came back up and said, Mom, Lacey said no. Mom, Lacey's not home. I'm going to go for a walk. We're going to go to the park.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
She would never just, she was a good kid like that. She wasn't a disobedient child that wouldn't come tell you so you didn't worry.
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Episode 280
It took me all that time to realize that she didn't have it because they're right there at the door.
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Episode 280
The kids were taken away by the courts. The kind of whites were terminated by the courts. Do you know why? They were living in a motel, going out, scoring drugs, and leaving the kids by themselves all the time. Okay. And someone eventually turned them in. Okay. They had an opportunity to rehabilitate themselves through the court system. They never showed up for hearings, things like that.
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Episode 280
We were looking to have children at the time, and it seemed like it was going to happen naturally for us, so we got involved. We began fostering them, that was right before 9-11, and then the adoption was probably final sometime in 2002.
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Episode 280
She got her own place, moved the kids out. And I'm trying to think when she moved. Probably in 2004, she moved. She told me she was moving to Carrollton, Texas. I said that was around 2004 when they heard of the divorce.
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Episode 280
I know it was 2010, came up and wanted to stay with me. She said that she wanted to stay a day on her visit. I tried to do that. It was in violation of the court order. So I subsided that effort. That's when we kind of became a bit estranged because she was out trying to stay and her mom turned her phone off on her and everything. So I let her move the phone.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
And after some threats from a lawyer down there that she hired, I think it was December, same year, I just couldn't do that anymore.
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Episode 280
And they took her to the ER and found that there's been some sort of anal intrusion. And this further corroborates the story about Dennis and the rape. And Dennis has been arrested and charged for that crime and bailed out. But I never heard from them again.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
And then because of the assault, she wanted to come up here. And when did she come up here again? Christmas Eve. Christmas Eve. Okay.
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Episode 280
My fiancee and I went over there to Compass West. I assume it's the same apartment. They were lucky to take her. That was the last time. She was happy to see me. She ran across the street.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
What is the problem? My 16-year-old daughter... She went down to my neighbor to ask for tea bags. I went down there. The neighbor wasn't home. They didn't answer the door. There was nobody there. So I'm assuming when she went, there was nobody there. And she's been gone for several hours. We're riding around looking for her, and I can't find her. She's gone.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
When Jackie made this 911 call, Gina had only been missing for two hours. Tragically, two whole days would go by before Gina would be located.