Jack Symes

Yeah. But then when I asked Jordan about this, again, I don't think he's serious again about following the evidence and argument. He just digs down. He builds a trench. He says, like I said, what do you think of what's called the systemic problem of evil? Why would God create the system? And he goes, we just need to keep working on it. It's like, no, you need to suspend belief in something.

Yeah. But then when I asked Jordan about this, again, I don't think he's serious again about following the evidence and argument. He just digs down. He builds a trench. He says, like I said, what do you think of what's called the systemic problem of evil? Why would God create the system? And he goes, we just need to keep working on it. It's like, no, you need to suspend belief in something.

What did he mean by that? You don't have the evidence. You need to keep working on it? Like we just need to crack on with the problem.

What did he mean by that? You don't have the evidence. You need to keep working on it? Like we just need to crack on with the problem.

What did he mean by that? You don't have the evidence. You need to keep working on it? Like we just need to crack on with the problem.

Yeah, but we've been trying to solve it. In between 1960 and 1998, 3,600 articles and books were published on the problem of evil. People are working on it, and it's not going anywhere. The systemic problem of evil undercuts the God hypothesis. But then it's this weird place, right? Because you've got these strong arguments. that an atheistic view can't solve.

Yeah, but we've been trying to solve it. In between 1960 and 1998, 3,600 articles and books were published on the problem of evil. People are working on it, and it's not going anywhere. The systemic problem of evil undercuts the God hypothesis. But then it's this weird place, right? Because you've got these strong arguments. that an atheistic view can't solve.

Yeah, but we've been trying to solve it. In between 1960 and 1998, 3,600 articles and books were published on the problem of evil. People are working on it, and it's not going anywhere. The systemic problem of evil undercuts the God hypothesis. But then it's this weird place, right? Because you've got these strong arguments. that an atheistic view can't solve.

But then you've got this big problem for belief in God. And like you say, this is moving philosophers of religion to this really interesting space where they ask, well, maybe we need a different concept of God, like the universe. So this is pantheism, the idea that God and the universe are identical. And panentheism is the view where

But then you've got this big problem for belief in God. And like you say, this is moving philosophers of religion to this really interesting space where they ask, well, maybe we need a different concept of God, like the universe. So this is pantheism, the idea that God and the universe are identical. And panentheism is the view where

But then you've got this big problem for belief in God. And like you say, this is moving philosophers of religion to this really interesting space where they ask, well, maybe we need a different concept of God, like the universe. So this is pantheism, the idea that God and the universe are identical. And panentheism is the view where

the universe is in God, but there's this extra layer of God, which is like heaven, or the thing that brought it into being.

the universe is in God, but there's this extra layer of God, which is like heaven, or the thing that brought it into being.

the universe is in God, but there's this extra layer of God, which is like heaven, or the thing that brought it into being.

Pantheism. I'll go with that now. The interesting thing about pantheism is, is it worthy of the name God, like the universe? Because if it's just nature-loving atheism, then that doesn't get you far. But I think if you believe that the universe is fundamentally conscious...

Pantheism. I'll go with that now. The interesting thing about pantheism is, is it worthy of the name God, like the universe? Because if it's just nature-loving atheism, then that doesn't get you far. But I think if you believe that the universe is fundamentally conscious...

Pantheism. I'll go with that now. The interesting thing about pantheism is, is it worthy of the name God, like the universe? Because if it's just nature-loving atheism, then that doesn't get you far. But I think if you believe that the universe is fundamentally conscious...

like there is some will or agency underlying the things that we interact with, then I think that gets you pretty close to a concept of God.

like there is some will or agency underlying the things that we interact with, then I think that gets you pretty close to a concept of God.

like there is some will or agency underlying the things that we interact with, then I think that gets you pretty close to a concept of God.