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Jack Symes

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The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes

And I was thinking recently, like there's a lot of arguments for human reparations, like when a full group is harmed by another group, that we think that they're owed something, whether it's like people who were subject to slavery in North West Africa. We think that those communities have been harmed in the past and that we should right that wrong. I don't know the details.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes

And I was thinking recently, like there's a lot of arguments for human reparations, like when a full group is harmed by another group, that we think that they're owed something, whether it's like people who were subject to slavery in North West Africa. We think that those communities have been harmed in the past and that we should right that wrong. I don't know the details.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes

I don't consider myself like a reparations philosopher. But let's say that's a view that people hold as they do. Well, if you take non-human animals to be like these subjects which you can stop their flourishing, cause them harm, bring them pleasure and happiness, then it seems that they also are part of a group.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes

I don't consider myself like a reparations philosopher. But let's say that's a view that people hold as they do. Well, if you take non-human animals to be like these subjects which you can stop their flourishing, cause them harm, bring them pleasure and happiness, then it seems that they also are part of a group.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes

I don't consider myself like a reparations philosopher. But let's say that's a view that people hold as they do. Well, if you take non-human animals to be like these subjects which you can stop their flourishing, cause them harm, bring them pleasure and happiness, then it seems that they also are part of a group.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes

And so you might run an argument to say that if all of these creatures were subject to such suffering and torture and death for so long for the benefit of this other group, then that group owes them the research, the time, the money to make their lives as good as possible. Now, it might be, just like in our lives, we can't avoid pain and suffering in the day-to-day of it.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes

And so you might run an argument to say that if all of these creatures were subject to such suffering and torture and death for so long for the benefit of this other group, then that group owes them the research, the time, the money to make their lives as good as possible. Now, it might be, just like in our lives, we can't avoid pain and suffering in the day-to-day of it.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes

And so you might run an argument to say that if all of these creatures were subject to such suffering and torture and death for so long for the benefit of this other group, then that group owes them the research, the time, the money to make their lives as good as possible. Now, it might be, just like in our lives, we can't avoid pain and suffering in the day-to-day of it.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes

It's not something we can eliminate entirely, but we should be doing everything we can, says the argument, to reduce it as much as possible. If that ends up being like having to add predators to a sort of, you know, into that situation, then so be it. But perhaps there's a, you know, with the right time and money, you can find a way of doing it without as much suffering, so to speak.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes

It's not something we can eliminate entirely, but we should be doing everything we can, says the argument, to reduce it as much as possible. If that ends up being like having to add predators to a sort of, you know, into that situation, then so be it. But perhaps there's a, you know, with the right time and money, you can find a way of doing it without as much suffering, so to speak.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes

It's not something we can eliminate entirely, but we should be doing everything we can, says the argument, to reduce it as much as possible. If that ends up being like having to add predators to a sort of, you know, into that situation, then so be it. But perhaps there's a, you know, with the right time and money, you can find a way of doing it without as much suffering, so to speak.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes

Well, there's a question of like what's wrong with death, which is at the heart of this. So it might not just be like the hedonistic properties I've just listed, but it might be that when you stop some conscious creature from fulfilling their ends, from fulfilling their project, you're somehow wronging them.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes

Well, there's a question of like what's wrong with death, which is at the heart of this. So it might not just be like the hedonistic properties I've just listed, but it might be that when you stop some conscious creature from fulfilling their ends, from fulfilling their project, you're somehow wronging them.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes

Well, there's a question of like what's wrong with death, which is at the heart of this. So it might not just be like the hedonistic properties I've just listed, but it might be that when you stop some conscious creature from fulfilling their ends, from fulfilling their project, you're somehow wronging them.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes

So like if I was to hypothetically, you know, if we had this random person again that we had on the boat earlier and I put a bullet in the back of their head, this person had no friends, family, no one will remember them. And I can erase the thing I did from my memory.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes

So like if I was to hypothetically, you know, if we had this random person again that we had on the boat earlier and I put a bullet in the back of their head, this person had no friends, family, no one will remember them. And I can erase the thing I did from my memory.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes

So like if I was to hypothetically, you know, if we had this random person again that we had on the boat earlier and I put a bullet in the back of their head, this person had no friends, family, no one will remember them. And I can erase the thing I did from my memory.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes

You might still think what I did was wrong because that person saw themselves as having a future, had projects they were working on, and I stopped their flourishing in some sense.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes

You might still think what I did was wrong because that person saw themselves as having a future, had projects they were working on, and I stopped their flourishing in some sense.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes

You might still think what I did was wrong because that person saw themselves as having a future, had projects they were working on, and I stopped their flourishing in some sense.