Jack J. Jesinowski
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Well... Generally capable, just like a human can reach to the floor and reach up high to a cupboard. Go up and down, that's what we made this for, obviously in a little bit of a different fashion. Because most surfaces are level, we don't need to reinvent the wheel. And the biggest market that we're going after is households, domestic, dishes, laundry, make the bed, clean up around the house.
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Eventually cooking, that's more fine-tuned. Dishes and laundry is really that first task that is going to be fully autonomous. Obviously, from a folding standpoint and cooking standpoint, you can do teleoperation today. So you can use cheaper labor internationally through a robot. But full autonomous is coming very quickly, like Jensen talked about recently.
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Droid form, yes. Well, as we know, robots didn't evolve from monkeys, and so... We have an ability to reimagine them. All of the existing hardware we use in the world has wheels for a reason. It just works better. It's easier. There's less friction. That means there's less maintenance. That means there's less energy output. It's efficiency.
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It's also easier for us to manufacture that stuff at scale. So I think long term, do robots all have legs? Yeah, more or less, the home robot does turn into the liked robot because then it can go with you in the car, everything. But I think the early stages, the wheels, because of their cheaper-ness, because of their reliability, I think that will be what wins early stage.
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I think it will just become basically the same way if you have enough money. A lot of people afford like a assistant to come with them places.
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That seems like a niche market compared to household utility. I think it's... The barrier, I think, is because of the cost and then the humanness. Like, then you have to care for another human. And whereas in this case, it's kind of all positive sum. And yeah, I guess it's wrong to try to say majority of people.
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But anyone who's in media, a videographer will be something you use a robot for to follow you around and take media and film for you. You won't get tired and say, go grab me a drink or go figure that thing out.
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I think we're starting to see just how artistic these AIs can be.
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Well, I think the most used thing is just the Gen AI art. And then you have... Some of the new video models are pretty cool. And they're using certain sort of zoom-in shots, everything. I think they'll make just as good of movies as humans. Oh, I think the best reference in order to actually say... that that's possible is music. I don't know if you've played with the most recent AI music.
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There's songgpt.com. I've heard some things people call music that are produced by that, yeah. We can make one live right now that I don't know if you've heard the latest models. Pick me a genre.
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You could try Ska, too. You love Ska. Ska is, like, definitely probably niche stuff is where it's going to have a harder time. But S-K-A. S-K-A. I wonder how much Ska data there is out there. There's a lot of Ska music out there. What should we make it about? Should we make it about iHeartRadio? Sure. iHeartRadio and Robert. And Clear Channel Communications. All right, let's hear a ska song.
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We're like, oh, it has to load for like 30 seconds. It feels weirdly like I'm upset that I have to wait that long for something to load online.
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Yeah, I guess I've been playing with it a lot. But it's funny to think about how much time and effort it does take to produce a song, typically. I am 27.
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From a business standpoint, we're 100% going after the dishes, laundry, nursing practice of just doing vitals, which is the very repetitive task. That's the push. I was starting to just talk into the aspect of the legged robots and kind of imagining why a legged version would have better utility or be something someone wants to purchase rather than the wheeled robot.
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And yeah, stairs is definitely... A big one of those. There are wheel types we're working on right now that have the ability to climb single stairs, obviously, easiest, and that's what most people have in their home if they do have stairs. Oh, are we going to listen to some Robot Scoff? I heart listeners this morning.
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I think even if we created no more energy as a human species today, the amount of advancements we create would, from an architectural standpoint, continue to advance. So you have... Other models, like, I think Llama 3.3, which has matched 4.0's capabilities and is, I forget how many parameters, but like super, like much, much, much smaller and was much cheaper to train.
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And like, we're continuing to see like smaller models that are just as effective and were much cheaper training runs. I think DeepSeek was one of the newest ones.
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Well, obviously, I personally am in the boathouse of focusing on allowing this intelligence to flourish and doing these laborious tasks and getting them in the households. I do think from an OpenAI standpoint and the reason why VCs and private investors will value them so highly is what's next is white collar work. A lot of the jobs online
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that's what they do have an internal model which is able to control the computer you know the same way you would ask an executive assistant to do certain things online now it's just adobe is handing along all of their emails now through ais
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I'd say I tailor my pitch to the person I'm talking to. So some people definitely enjoy thinking about more of the sci-fi futures that are coming. For example, the droids building droids moment. It's when, you know... You are decreasing your own manufacturing costs by using your own hardware to build more of that hardware. And parts are just being shipped into the factory.
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Obviously, I think the first fully automated phone factory just came out in China recently, which is like some cool press and news. but the phone is separate from the actual manufacturing process.
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So there's that interesting component, the exciting part of the idea that how do we reach true abundance as a species of material and resources is, well, because GDP is a calculation of capita times productivity, a robot really represents capita, one unit of creation. And I'd say that's where the sci-fi thinking comes into play, and it's not
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not worth going there when just dreaming about the future of robotics and talking about it and having an interesting, engaging conversation. But definitely when it comes to what are we doing from an engineering standpoint on the day-to-day and how are we trying to approach the market, those conversations are not being had. Okay.