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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother
Moin, das ist verrückt. Das sind die verrücktesten Fragen, die ich je gehört habe. Diese Fragen sind nur Tidbits. Das ist eine Menge Malarke.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
Hello, hello, can you hear me? Testing, testing, one, two, three. Can you hear me? Sound good?
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
I've taken pictures in the past. And it's usually better to put the phone down like this so you don't see that phone like right next to your ear. So if you want, you can just let them both hang down.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
Week 11.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
So the way death row is, the population is its population. There's more guys from the big cities, the big counties. So there are more guys from Dallas and Houston than anywhere else. So that makes for a lot more fans of both teams. So on that day, football is the sport. We wake up thinking about it. You know, when the... When the weekend starts, that's what we're talking about.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
And especially a big game like that, a big rivalry. Because I don't know, man. It seems like that because the Texans have been up and down a lot of times. They seem to play the role of... The little brother, you know what I'm saying? And so they want to get, they want to beat the Cowboys. You know, they don't beat nobody else. They want to beat the Cowboys.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
And I've been telling the guys, the Texan fans, I'm like, you know, on that day, we're not going to be friends. We're going to be rivals, you know what I'm saying?
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
three of these booths wide, one on this side and one on this side. So it's about nine foot across.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
And the doors, they have this mesh where windows are supposed to be. We have two, three foot, I think it's four inches.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
openings in in the in the door so we can stand at the door and we can talk you know it's not like normal conversational tones but when we when we talk loud we can hear each other and of course everybody's hollering and when when uh you know the kickoff starts and they make a big play or you know big tackle or something like that people people are hollering and yeah interacting so yeah it's really
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
There are seven cells on the ground floor in a section, and then there's seven cells on two row, on the second story. We call it one row and two row. Okay. And in that area, there's a TV. It's a 35-inch TV, and it's from my cell. It's probably from here to that back wall. And one, two, three, four. Four cells, for the most part, are able to watch it on one roll by standing at the door.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
So you stand at the door and you look through... The grate. Yes, the grate. The grate. So, yeah, you know, when... When it's fourth and three or fourth and ten, third and ten, you know, believe me, you're up at the grate and you're looking through that little diamond to make sure you can see, you know. Okay, but that's four hours you're standing. Yes, so some people stand.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
Other people will make a makeshift chair. How? Okay, so like for me, I have quite a bit of legal documentation, legal paperwork. And I just have it in mesh, nylon mesh bags. And I've made a chair that's about this big. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I strategically put it at the door and I sit on it. I'll sit on it.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
But like I told you, when the kickoff is going to happen or something, you know, you get up and you get close to the grid so you can see what's going on. So, yeah.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
I can remember last season in the playoffs, you know, we thought the Cowboys were going to do good. And then Green Bay showed up and they didn't do good.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
So believe me, the Texan fans were letting us have it. They were letting us have it and they were talking trash and they were laughing at us. And, you know, they kept showing Dak and he was like a deer in the headlight. I'm just so mad I could cuss. It's just like the same thing keeps happening.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
Touchdown, Lamar! And believe me, the next week when the Texans lost against the Ravens, I gave them the blues.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
That's the thing about the death penalty, it's so difficult, is that we're not the worst thing that we've ever done. Are you the worst thing that you've ever done? Because I know you've done something that you, when you think about it, you cringe. We all have. Every human being that's alive has done something like that. So... That's what they're here for. But that's not the person that I know.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
I'm not that person, right? And so for the most part, you know, guys are pretty calm, you know, pretty low key. And so there's not a lot of friction on death row. Now, general population, it's different. And when there's a bunch of guys together and then it gets personal, right? Because somebody starts talking trash, and they put it out, but they can't take it in. And then they get angry.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
And then once you get angry, well, then you'll say something that you shouldn't say, and they'll start fighting. So, yeah, there is that element, but I think that's out there in the free world, too.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
So we get up, you know, I'll get up about 8 o'clock. And because it's a big day, we'll make a feast. And we make stuff out of the items that we can buy at the commissary. And so... It might be nachos or it might be tacos or a special like Super Bowl or something. We'll do enchiladas.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
Yes, because this has to be planned. We go to commissary two times a month.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
So you got to buy the stuff a month before to make sure you have everything that you're going to need on that day. If it's enchiladas, are you cooking those in your cell? Everything that's made is pre-cooked. So you buy items. Beef tips and gravy. Uh-huh. Summer sausages are also used. Chicken chili. And all these things are pre-cooked, so they come in little, like, plastic pouches.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
And it's an intricate process. We have to put all these things in cleaned-out plastic chip bags, and we heat them up. What we cook in is a hot pot, which essentially looks like water, an electric water kettle, which heats up the water, right? Yeah. So everything is heated up in water in a plastic bag. And the trick is...
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
knowing how to mix everything and warm it up together to make the enchiladas good. So I've been here for a while and yeah, I can cook pretty good. That's why I'm fat.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
So, depending on the matchups, you would make a new lineup. You understand? Okay. You know, Tom Brady's playing whoever, so you're starting Tom Brady. And if it's a two-quarterback league, you know, whoever else it might be. You know, and Rodgers, right? Right. And then, and so... Zekiel Elliott has a good matchup, so you're going to start him. And then, you know, you're mixing and matching.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
You're mixing and matching. Okay. And so there wasn't no need to get together and have a draft. But what you would have to do is turn in your team because there's a commissioner that's running it, right? And he's the one that's going to get each team, and then he's going to create what we call master sheets. So there's a deadline. You got to turn them in by, you know, Friday at noon.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
slide the stuff out from the cells to the day rooms and then those guys would get the stuff and give it to another day room and then that guy would tell the commissioner, hey man, I've got these teams out here and then he would make his way out there with what we call a fishing line and it's essentially like a long string that he'll slide to the day room and he'd pull them back in.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
And then the same way he would pass out the master sheet. You know? And it's the same thing.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
I've been here literally 25 years. Before there was no TV. So it was all sports talk radio and it was mostly AM. And when you'd get the station, you would hope it stays in. And so that's where we would get our sports update. Because when you play fantasy football, If you don't know what's going on, you're just donating. You're just donating. You know what I'm saying?
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
You just might as well just give your money away. You know, we would have to wait on the newspaper. You got to wait on the newspaper to get the stats because, you know, you don't have the stats. You know, nowadays I know that as soon as the games are played, the stats are online. Right, right. But, man, no, man, you know, people would be waiting for the newspaper.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
And then the commissioner, he would add it up because everything has to be official, right? Everybody's agreed that he...
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
Slowly but surely, the guys that played, they've just been pushed out of existence. They've been executed. They're gone. You know, and that's just the reality of being on death row. That's the reality of being sentenced to death.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
We were fans. We used to watch at home. Of course, we watched when I was little.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
I was real close with my family. I might have lived... But, you know, on the weekend, I'm going to Mom and Dad's house. Just being with them, and we would watch football all the time.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
That was one of the main things that we would talk about. The Cowboys this, the Cowboys that. They continued to watch the football games at home. And so it was the same thing. Back then, I would... wake up early and I would start a letter. And a lot of times I would leave it. I would say half of what I wanted to say and then the game would be going. And then after the game, I would have comments.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
And oftentimes I would be writing my mom and my dad and they would be writing me at the same time. And I remember that I was writing them at four o'clock. And then I would see that mom had started this letter at four o'clock. And so that was like the synchronicity of it all, right? And yeah, man, it was special. There's nothing like that.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
So, like I said, I think fandom is part of family too, because it's part of that bond that we have.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
So much of living under death sentences is the unknown. You know, we're sent here We were convicted and sentenced to death and sent to death row to have our lives taken from us, to be executed, you know, to be legally murdered. And that's pretty heavy, man. You hang your hopes on appeal courts and on things that...
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
might happen that will allow you to have a reversal in your conviction or your sentence and maybe get out of the situation. So, you know, that's pretty stressful. And some guys can't take it. You know, some guys lose their mind. I had a friend of mine, his name, we called him Big G. He was from Oak Cliff in Dallas. And we called him Big G for a reason. He was like 6'5", about 300 pounds.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
He looked like he could play offensive tackle for the Cowboys. Great guy. One day he told me, he says, man, he says, what if we got it wrong? He says, what if the crazy dudes are normal because they can't cope? And we're the crazy people because we are able to adapt and accept this insanity. And you know, I've never forgot that.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
Because that would be, that's a normal reaction would be to go insane. Yeah, lose your damn mind that they're going to kill you. And that you're going to sit around for 10 or 15 years until they do it. And so sports for me, especially football, it takes me out of this place. When the game is on, I'm at the stadium. I'm not in this place. I'm not here. I'm not under that death sentence.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
I'm not worried about, oh, man, are they going to set me in execution? Oh, man, are they going to deny my appeals? You know, because that's real. That's real there.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
I've thought, I've thought about that. I'm like, man, will I ever see the Cowboys winning another Super Bowl? Because that's my thing. I think that we might have to wait until Patrick Mahomes goes to another team or something. Okay, nobody beat him. Do you have a prediction? Yeah, yeah, this is their year, no matter what.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
Every year is their year, and one of these years they're going to get it done.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
You got to believe, bro. You got to believe, huh? You got to believe.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
That situation, I don't think nobody will ever understand it until you are there and experiencing that. But I've tried to think about it, and I've tried to say, well, man, why would somebody say that? And I think it is that. I think it might be our last grab at, hey, I'm still part of, if nothing else, I'm still part of this family.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
I'm still relevant in the fact that even as I'm being ushered out of this life, this reality, I'm still a Cowboy fan. And I'm going to declare it at the very end with, you know, reminding the world of what tribe I was from. I'm still human. Even though you're taking my life like an animal, I'm still human. I have a soul. And that's deep, man.
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Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
They're actually from the east, so one of them is a Cleveland Brown fan. But I was telling him what it is. I'm like, man, look. Yeah, yeah, you know, you know.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
So much of living under death sentences is the unknown. You know, we're sent here. We were convicted and sentenced to death and sent to death row to have our lives taken from us, to be executed, you know, to be legally murdered. And, um, That's pretty heavy, man.
Sword and Scale
Episode 288
I don't get no newspaper. I don't get to make one phone call. I don't come out for no rent. I can't see nobody's paperwork. Do you have a television? I have no television. I have none of that. Okay. I have no Internet access.
Sword and Scale
Episode 288
he told me he said me and trey this is my writing he said me and trey was at trey house and he wanted christian to come over she snuck out her house and it was like 12 a.m when we left saying him and trey i mean him and christian when he left her house and went into the woods i made sure i had my knife we walked on the streets a little bit First, and the camera guys going in together.
Sword and Scale
Episode 288
Then me leaving by myself. But once we got into the woods, we had to get past this bar wire fence to get to the pond. We got on these floaters and we had sex. She act like she ain't want to, but I made her. It was good. I came inside her a little bit and that shit was on my mind. So I said to myself, she got to die. Man, I just snapped, and I stabbed her a lot of times. She was yelling my name.
Sword and Scale
Episode 288
Excuse me. I didn't care. Then I threw the weapon in the gun, and I left. I got home. It was like 2 AM. Trey called me the next day and asked, have I seen her? I said, no. It's crazy, because that's one of the things in my head that I planned out. He said there was no witness to that. A neighbor camera had him and her going in the woods, but only him coming out.
Sword and Scale
Episode 288
He said he told the police he was walking around. He said he told the police she was running away. and she could sleep there. He said she was straight girlfriend, that's his homeboy, and she was 13. He said it was by his house. He said it was a pond, it's a big pond, it got floaters on it. He said he smoked some weed and he been planning to have sex with her.