Heather McGhee
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The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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If you didn't have to compete with anyone but anyone who looked like you, and increasingly now the majority of the country nicht für verschiedene Gründe für diese Jobs zuständig ist. Das war seine eigene affirmative Action. Und dann sahen wir, als wir die Macht der Kompetenz entdeckt haben, sahen wir unsere Landesinnovation und Prosperität wirklich explodieren.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Und ich denke, das ist eine Art, darüber zu sprechen, in Bezug auf die Kompetenz. Die Menschen sollten kämpfen müssen. But the other thing that I would say is that it took a lot of work to hold back women and people of color and immigrants who come to this country from non-white parts of the world. And that's because there is a ton of grit there. And excellence.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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And black women have the highest average degrees right now in the country, right? Immigrants create jobs twice as often, right? I don't know that it's really about being worried that things are going to get worse if they're competing with these other groups, but rather perhaps a fear of losing, right? And that's just real talk.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Like a resource guarding, the sense of... Yeah, it's like hoarding resources. I'm saying basically maybe the fear is not that the black pilot will be, you know, worse, but rather that maybe the black pilot will be better, right? That someone who has overcome all of these challenges, right?
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Oder es könnte... John, das ist nur Message-Disziplin. Es ist nur Message-Disziplin, richtig? Weil es ein Head-Fake war, weg von den Verbrechen, die sie zu der FAA gemacht haben. Richtig.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Well, some people do. Some of them do, right? Some of them are believers. But again, everything we believe comes from a story we've been told. So if you live in the right-wing, you know, sort of message ecosystem, right? If you're on Elon Musk's Twitter, which used to be this great, you know... Right. in einer Privilegien-basierten Gesellschaft.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Ich meine, und schau dir zum Beispiel die Gerätefirmen an, richtig? Also, die Administration hatte diese Unterdrückungs-Exekutiv-Order an alle der Top-Gerätefirmen, die Retribution waren und versuchten, hunderttausende Millionen Dollar für freie Arbeit für rechte-flächendeckende Gründe und, weißt du, für Trump und so weiter, richtig?
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Und der Angriff war, Deine DEI-Programme zu canceln, weil sie illegal sind und sie verbreitet sind. Ich will klar sein, dass in allen Rechtsfirmen im Land, es sind nur weniger als 3% der Partner schwarz. Es sind etwa 50% der großen Rechtsfirmen, die mit vielen Lehrern und die wirklich elitistisch sind, 50% davon haben keine schwarzen Partner.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Was wir also sagen, ist, dass es immer noch eine Industrie ist, in der weiße Männer dominieren. The administration is using the excuse that diversity has run amok to literally just shake them down for money, for their causes. It's all about the money.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Oh, first of all, lawyers' hours are very expensive. Maybe I haven't had a lawyer in a while. So this is trying to rig the marketplace of ideas, right? So lawyers, very educated people who know the constitution, who know the law, are not flocking to defend these crackpot legal theories. And so they literally have to force them to do it, right?
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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It's the same thing with the attacks on universities, right? In the marketplace of ideas of rigorous scholarship, what the administration is trying to do with these shakedown executive orders is say you have to hire scholars who are conservative. Not you have to hire people based on their identity, right? But you have to hire scholars who are conservative.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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And, you know, I mean, these are institutions where Sure, there may be a plurality of people who have liberal thoughts and ideas.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
DEI? You’re Fired! with Heather McGhee
Und was sie also sagen, zum Beispiel die Angriffe auf diese Ivy League-Institutionen, die für Geld und für unsere gesamte zivilistische Gesellschaft gegründet werden, Not only to a conservative bent to say, you know, put the thumb on the scale and say, if any department doesn't have enough conservatives from the White House with a stroke of a pen, I have the power to change that.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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I mean, truly. It is so disgusting. It is so nefarious.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Heather. You know, I just spent the last two days with a scholar of autocrats, right, who studies this stuff. And they're from Harvard. I actually won't name them because of the attack. Why are you hanging out with these elites, Heather? Why the elites? I mean, listen, if anybody else has studied autocracies from across the world, I'd be very happy. Right, happy to talk to them.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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And this is the playbook, right? It is to go at the parts of society that have the power to mount a defense to total control and to bring them to heal. And I think that's the piece that...
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is scarier than anything else about what's going on right now, is that we in many ways have moved into what political scientists would call right now a competitive autocracy, meaning there are still elections, right? It's not like a military coup. But it is an autocracy in the sense that we have someone in office who wants to Rule by signature, right? I mean, he's got a majority in Congress.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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It's insane. Zero. He's got the Congress in his party. They will do their lickspittles, right? And yet, he still wants the feeling of being able to just sign a pen and change American law firms and change American universities and change American media. and cut hundreds of billions of dollars, fire tens of thousands of public servants, flouting the separation of powers.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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And ultimately, that's about his control. Even the tariffs, John, really, I think, are, because there's something, you can have an industrial policy, right? In fact, Joe Biden's industrial policies brought manufacturing back to the highest level it had been since the 1970s.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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But the way, the chaotic form of these punitive tariffs is really just about him exerting maximum control over companies, industries and world leaders and then asking them to beg for permission to be, you know, accepted from these tariffs.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Also, ich war weniger überrascht, dass einige der weltweit reichsten Männer bereit waren, hinter jemandem zu stehen, der es sehr klar gemacht hat, dass, wenn man hinter ihm nicht war, man in seinen Augen war. Sie haben so viel zu verdienen, indem sie sich um ihn kümmern und ihn überraschen.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Let's be very clear, everyone at that income and wealth level has to gain from the tax cuts that are barreling their way through Washington, which is the number one goal, obviously, of Elon Musk. It's about clearing the way of these pesky vaccines for children in Africa and lead pipe mitigation in your neighborhood.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Genau, um massive Tax-Cuts zu bestätigen. Es geht also um den Tax-Cut, es geht um die Tatsache, dass er sehr leicht verflattert ist. Und zum Beispiel Smartphones. Woops, Smartphones sind plötzlich von den Tarifen ausgeschlossen. Das hat also Sinn gemacht. Was nicht Sinn gemacht hat, waren die Gerätefirmen. The law firms didn't make sense.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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The law firms didn't make sense because first of all, the executive order, the shakedown executive order was so illegal on its face and that is their job to determine that, right? So they didn't wait for the litigation to go through. And of course there are some law firms that have signed on to litigation, to take it all the way to the Supreme Court to get those shakedown EOs nullified. But
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Very good point. He's saying that one or more of their partners, there's a few things, basically they've defied him, right? So one or more of their partners or people who work there at some point was part of a litigation against him, right? So you have people who were US attorneys who were part of litigation against him.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Absolut, weil er das Gesetz ist.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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John, du musst wissen, was die Zeit ist. Kann ich etwas sagen, warum es mir so einfach ist, das zu sagen und es zu akzeptieren? Und es ist, denke ich, für viele Menschen in diesem Land schwieriger. Yes. Wrapping their minds around what time it is right now. Please. So we've always been taught, I think, that there's such a thing as autocrats and dictators and we go to war against them, right?
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Those are in foreign countries that don't believe in democracy like we do. But black people in America lived under autocracy for most of our history. Black people in the deep south in many places live under a version of autocracy today, right? And so a world where Right. Economic damage. Exactly. That's what... has been done to Black America, that's Jim Crow America, right?
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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And so we're not as shocked that this would happen in America, right? And I think it's really important for everyone in this country to know what time it is, right? To learn from the resistance and defiance movements all around the world, but also the movements that end
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Die Jim Crow-Autokratie in den Vereinigten Staaten, um zu lernen, wie man vigilant ist, um nicht überrascht zu sein, um zu wissen, dass es Stärke in den Zahlen gibt, um zu wissen, dass wenn man einen Inch gibt, wenn man es nicht muss, They will take everything and to know what their vision is, the kind of world that they would like to see.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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And it is a world where a law firm that has been around for 120 years has represented conservatives, corporations, civil rights lawyers, the whole thing, can be brought to heel
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
DEI? You’re Fired! with Heather McGhee
for essentially, you know, A, having a DEI program, right, that's a diversity program, that is in the executive orders usually, but as I said, you know, it's not doing much, it's not like it's been taken over by, you know, communist, you know, trans black people, because these law firms are still mostly white men at the top, right, as I said, you know, like just a few percent of black lawyers are partners at these big law firms, but most importantly, for
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Right. Right, exactly. So you need, and to intimidate, Die Judiziarie auch, richtig? Wenn die Juden, die in der gleichen Klasse sind wie diese großen ländlichen Firmenpartner, die Leute sehen, die normalerweise vor ihnen kommen und zum Trial gehen, Oh, sie ist verrückt, sie sagt, dass... You know, her hair is on fire, right? Like she's exaggerating, she's exaggerating what's going on.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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But I really want to implore you to just think about the sort of through line across all of what Trump is doing. You know, they didn't break the law. They broke the law that says, you know, Donald Trump is the law.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Ja, natürlich nicht Donald Trump, der nicht lest.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Also, offensichtlich, da ist eine ganze rechte Seite Infrastruktur, die Leute, die Dinge wie Projekt 2025 auswählen, die haben versucht, All the different moments in our history when the executive, the White House, had the most power possible.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Generally under emergency powers. Yes, that's right. And what is the emergency today? The emergency today is that there's too much diversity. There are too many immigrants of color. Es ist eine raciale Erkrankung. Lass uns einfach wahr sein. Und deshalb ist das, weshalb es wirklich Drainpool-Politik ist. Es sagt, dass es zu viel Diversität in unserem Land gibt.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Und deshalb müssen wir eigentlich nur, weißt du, das Pool ausdrainieren und das Staat entfernen.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Es ist ein Reset, richtig? Aber natürlich ist es ein Reset, das Menschen, die weiß, black und brown sind, nativ geboren und Immigranten, Es kostet amerikanische Leben. We are going to see kids poisoned by lead because of the cuts to the EPA.
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Kids dying of measles. People dying of diseases that were research funded by, in part by the American taxpayer, has already been frozen, curtailed, threatened because Er will Macht über die Institutionen, die Universitäten, die mit ihnen partnern, oder weil sie etwas wie eine Frau in der Gründungssitzung gesagt haben. Sorry, das ist, wer Breastcancer bekommt.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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Ich nenne Wörter, die sich jetzt nicht qualifizieren. Und der einzige Grund, warum das ist, der einzige Grund, warum das etwas ist, das man auslösen kann, ohne irgendwelche... Und wenn du in einem Land, in einer Gesellschaft bist, in der es um 50, 50 Menschen von Farben und Weißen geht, dann sollte es zählen. If people are dying and getting sick because of diseases that can be cured, right?
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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It's really, the dehumanization is what happens first. And then, of course, you're right, John, that it is just an excuse to exert control. Quick break. We shall be right back.
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Ja, ich denke, es ist wirklich wichtig. Ich wurde von der Art von Schmerzen, die du von deinem Freund erwähnt hast, betrachtet. My thought when you were saying it was, they'll think that until she opens her mouth.
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There is a way in which, as a black woman, myself, who was a nerd and skipped a grade and went to schools that nobody like me should have been able to go to and thrive and graduate at the top of my class. I associate myself with Are you serious? Because that is the only thing? The only technology that works.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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You do, you do, right? I'm just saying there is this counter. And I know I'm very happy to argue about the meritocracy, but in some ways I just want to say that there is...
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The other truth that has to be, at least for people who are the targets of this kind of dehumanization and diminishment, a real knowledge that is at your core, that the entire society had to be structured to hold you back or else you would fly.
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Du musst nur wissen, dass, wie ich am Anfang gesagt habe, es gab ein System, das jede Teil der Gesellschaft verwendet hat, um eine Identität aufzuzeigen und alle anderen zurückzuhalten. Und wenn wir einem gleiche Spielfeld gegeben werden, fliegen wir.
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I feel comfortable, right? The like me bias, right? So what is diversity, equity and inclusion in the workplace, right?
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It is, it has been, and ever since, you know, the mid 1960s with the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and then the 70s with the feminist movement brought in women and gender into this, an idea that we as a society and workplaces individually, and the research has continuously borne this out, we do better when you really have the best and brightest.
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And that means everyone in your society is able to come through the door and participate. It's like if you have a problem, right? You have a problem that you're sitting with and you have only one identity, one group of people with the same general set of background and assumptions and where they come from and the way they see the world. You can only see part of it, right?
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There's this whole other part of it that someone who came from a different set of circumstances would be able to see and together understand You solve the hole, right? And that is what has been borne out. Literally more diverse juries remember more facts. More diverse teams come up with breakthroughs in problem solving faster.
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More diversity in the classroom creates better educational outcomes, not just for the kids of color, but for the white kids too, right? We have reams and reams of research about this. And yet, this... Das ist die Formel, die ich denke, ist Amerikas Superkraft.
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Und die Idee, dass wir für das weiter optimieren können, die Arbeitsplätze weiter diversifizieren können, was übrigens mit über drei Viertel des amerikanischen Publikums populär ist, die Idee von Diversität in Arbeitsplätzen, es ist eigentlich common sense.
The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
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I mean, this anti-diversity regime is not stopping with affirmative action in schools, which already the Supreme Court did away with. It's coming for the breastfeeding rooms in schools. your offices, for veterans hiring programs, for, you know, right? It's coming for all of the systems that make the world more inclusive and accommodating.
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And so often this is the way drainpool politics goes, right? It's like it's supposed to be an attack on the least of us, but in the end it's an attack on almost all of us.
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So I want to say two things. One, Trump got 49 and some change percent of the people who voted, right? And 80, 90 million people didn't vote. And even of the people who voted for Trump, the idea of canceling diversity programs across the country is not overwhelmingly popular. So this is a faction using this as an excuse.
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Now, I'm not saying that there aren't way more people who are, you know, sort of susceptible to the anti-diversity arguments than I feel comfortable with.
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So I think too, so one, I want to just like put it in its place, right? We still have polling that shows that diversity and diversity programs are largely popular in the country still, right? But you had social movements, you know, the movement for Black Lives, Black Lives Matter, Me Too, right?
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der Bewegung für das Gleichgewicht und die Inklusion in Bezug auf Gender und sexuelle Identität, die in einem sehr kurzen Zeitraum zu, weißt du, vielen beeindruckenden Leuten gefordert hat, dass sie schnell auf diesen Zug kommen mussten. Und ich glaube, du hast Leute gesehen, die nicht echte Glaubwürde in die Idee waren. Ich spreche von C-Suite-Exekutiven, die
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who said, oh boy, George Floyd was murdered, the whole world's attention went to it. I gotta put out a statement. I gotta bring that person in the diversity office that I haven't ever wanted to invite to a meeting in and ask them what to do really quickly. And just as quickly, as soon as Trump was elected, they were willing to drop it, right?
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So that's why, you know, all the black people I know haven't been to Target, right, since they dropped their DEI, right? You know, and we've got these like economic boycotts of Target that are happening, whereas, you know, Costco and Delta have stood fast with their DEI programs and they're doing better financially, right? So there has been a like, it was a fad of...
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in einigen Sektoren unserer Gesellschaft, und sie haben es so schnell gelöscht. Und das ist eine Schande, weil ich denke, dass die Unternehmen, die es als Teil ihres Wachstumsmodells gesehen haben, bevor George Floyd von einem Polizisten getötet wurde und noch nach Donald Trump, der 49 Prozent des populären Votens gewonnen hat,
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Those are the companies that are going to continue to thrive in a diverse America.
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And still, big law firms, 50% of them have no black partners. But every black person who's ever gone up for a job is going to get it.
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Genau, das ist der Grund, warum es so viele Black-Head-Coaches gibt. Um das zu erinnern, weil wenn du denkst, weil du hast zu sagen und erinnere dich an die Diskriminierung, die existiert, die wie ich Bias, die Menschen haben, die in Macht sind und die meisten von ihnen sind weiße Männer. That bias exists, the bias that comes from social distance.
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I'm just not familiar with that person's jokes, their hairstyle, the school they went to, the references they make. It makes me uncomfortable. I'm a little bit scared of these people that I didn't grow up barbecuing with. And that I lived in a very segregated neighborhood and went to a very effectively segregated school or private school to keep away from. People like that.
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And now all of a sudden, you know, I'm looking at their application and woe and behold, research shows that if people on an application for a job have a black
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name a black sounding name right they are much less likely to get a call back even if they have a ton of degrees and experience than someone with a white sounding name with less of that right so if you don't recognize the bias still exists it can feel arbitrary like why should a black person get a job you know why you know but it's important to remember that it's important that we still have a lot of ways to go in this country for anything um approaching full quality and that full quality will be great for everyone in the country
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Ja, ich meine, ich denke, es gibt zwei Dinge. Eine, ich denke, dass, du weißt, irgendein Art von Veränderung, wenn man sich bewusst davon macht, dass etwas, worüber man sich willvoll verletzt hat, unangenehm sein kann. Aber natürlich, Unangenehmheit ist dort, wo das Lernen passiert. Das ist das, was jemand, der Wissenschaftler ist, sagen würde, richtig?
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Du weißt, es ist unangenehm, etwas Neues zu lernen. Und das sollte okay sein. Ich möchte das nur von Anfang an sagen. But I also think that there is a way in which, because there's so far to go, because, you know, when I first wrote my book, so that was, you know, leading up to 2020, 10% of high school seniors could accurately say that slavery is the primary cause of the Civil War.
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Ich weiß, komm schon. Also wir haben so weit zu gehen. Also stell dir vor, dass 90 Prozent der Highschool-Senioren, die berufen sind, in ein Büro gehen und jemand im Black History Month sagt etwas. Und sie sind so, was sagst du? Was sagen sie überhaupt? Staatsrechte. Staatsrechte. Sie haben die Rechte, Staats zu sein.
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So I think there is that Das müssen wir einfach verstehen. Aber auch, ja, ich denke, und ich habe Erfahrungen erlebt, die mehr darum gehören, den gewünschten Staat zu erschaffen, als die Leute zu informieren, über all die Dinge, die auf dem Weg sind. Okay, sprich über das dann. Und der gewünschte Staat ist dort, wo man einen Sinn für alle hat.
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The desired state is where you connect on the level of your common humanity. So, for example, I happen to be very lucky that my amazing mother is someone who's been doing this work for a long time. Not as like a DEI practitioner, but... Aber sie war in der Philanthropie und sie pionierte dieses Programm, das sie Rx Racial Healing nennt.
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Und es ist für Racial Healing in Gemeinschaften und Institutionen. And one of the things you do is you get a diverse group of people, you put them in a circle, and you don't ask them to share their greatest trauma and a history of oppression and exclusion. Those people need to know that stuff, right? But it's sort of like, this is sort of hopefully for people who
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You know, are at 2.0 or they go through this program and then they go and read about that on their own. But in terms of, you know, the real work in the circle, it's tell me about a time in your life when you felt off. Tell me about a time in your life where somebody really believed in you and it changed what you did. And so you get people sharing their stories.
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And it is a white cop and a black kindergarten teacher. It is, you know, an indigenous person who is, you know, fighting for land rights with somebody who's just
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It's designed to connect first at the level of our common humanity. Because, of course, what is racism? It is the lie that we are not all human beings that are driven fundamentally by the same needs and emotions. And so if you experience racism, The actual act of hearing someone's story about when they felt certain emotions, when their humanity was touched, you connect on that level.
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And it in and of itself gives lie to the racist belief in a hierarchy of human value. And then you can do the work. So that's just one design element of what I've seen being much more productive at diminishing defensiveness among people from groups that have historically been privileged. but also that get you to a place of trust.
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Because when someone's like told you about, you know, beautiful stories from their childhood, you know, that's a trust.
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Das passiert! Well, you know, I wrote this book with some of us and the central story was when many white townspeople, officials decided to drain their public pools rather than integrate them. And I feel like that's what's happening to our entire country right now.
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Ja. Also... Ich weiß. Ich möchte sagen, auf der einen Seite haben wir so viele tolle... Du sagst einfach, geh einfach weg.
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When I wrote The Sum of Us, it was trying to make the case that we have all been poorly served in an economy that is, you know, where inequality is rampant and the excuse that the people driving that economy of inequality have used is racial divisions, racial grievance politics, right? And so I absolutely believe that people in power
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especially right now, are selling a zero-sum story that says that progress for people of color and women is coming at your expense, that more immigrants are taking your jobs, that if there is, God forbid, less than 1% of the population that needs to become the gender that they know themselves to be, then that means that your daughter is never going to get a softball scholarship.
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It is a zero-sum story that says, fear your neighbor instead of joining forces with them to take on the people who are actually immiserating us. die der griechischste Mann der Welt sind, zum Beispiel. Er ist derjenige, der versucht, das Wasser, das Wasser und die Kanzlerforschung von uns wegzunehmen.
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Ich glaube das so tief, dass diese rassistischen Dividenden uns von einer Gesellschaft zurückhalten, von der wir alle mehr wachsen würden.
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Ich denke, wir leben in der Erfüllung von drei Jahrzehnten eines rechten Einbruchs des Informations-Ökosystems. Nicht nur ist es nicht die Messungsdisziplin, die alle, die die Unität und die Prosperität in unserem Land sehen wollen, singt aus dem gleichen Hymnbuch, sondern das sind nicht mehr die Kanäle. Und ich denke, das ist ein echtes Problem.
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Wir haben fast die Hälfte der Journalisten in diesem Land verloren. St. Clair broadcastet zu 70 % der amerikanischen Haushalte, und das ist eine Firma, die ideologisch rechtswingend ist. Realität und Fakten sind hinter einem Paywall, richtig? Du hast also diese Bildungsschleife, wo das Geld, das gratis ist, einfach, ehrlich gesagt, Scheiß auf Social Media flottiert. Und das ist gratis.
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Und dann musst du 80 Dollar pro Jahr für den Washington Post, den New York Times bezahlen.
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We're all in the bottom of the drain pool.
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Exactly. So we've just got an information ecosystem that is really distorted and that's dangerous. But fundamentally the American people know that the economy is rigged for the very wealthy. That is something that the majority of Republicans believe. And it is something that when we have a Und die Demokratie ist gesehen als gutmeinend, aber weich. Und sie verteidigt den Status quo.
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Und die Status Quo zu verteidigen, in einer Zeit, in der die Status Quo nicht funktioniert. Die Leute wissen, dass ihre Kinder schlimmer werden als sie. Das ist eine grundlegende Verletzung des amerikanischen Traums. Und ja, 49% der Länder meinten, sie würden lieber etwas anderes wählen als die Status Quo.
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Das ist, weil die Leute, die den Bullhorn halten, die das Nullsummen-Story für ihren eigenen Profit verkaufen, sagen, blamieren Sie Ihren Nachbarn. Blamieren Sie die Person, die neben Ihnen ist, die Sie sehen können, und nicht den Billionär.
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Yeah, the undeserving other. And I just, you know, you said this, so I should address, why is it that more Latinos and more young people, especially young white people, more Asian Americans, more Muslims, a few more black men, but not that many. We're still, you know, black people are still the most skeptical. Black people are still rolling their eyes. They're still going, really? Why that shift?
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I think we have to get a little bit more sophisticated about race and understand that it's not the story that the right wing, that Donald Trump was selling, was not that all immigrants are bad, all black people are bad. It was that the underlying negative stereotype about the racialized other, that people are lazy, that they're criminal, that they're dangerous, that they're a threat, right?
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Das wurde so hyperbolisch genutzt. Es gab kriminelle Migranten, die ihre Tochter zerstören. Und auch Menschen, die selbst Immigranten sind oder selbst in ihrer Familie Immigranten haben, sagten, lass mich die Box aufschlagen, um zu sagen, nicht ich.
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right right all right i'm gonna check the box to say that's not me and yes you should deport those bad people because they're giving us a bad name right and lo and behold we've got people lo and behold they're like is that a chicago bulls hat you're out el salvador for you boom it's it's it's wild heather final uh uh question as you watch this uh sort of
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Such a great question. Thank you. So the moment is for defiance. It is for defiance of a hostile regime that is attacking our country as if they're going to war against it. That's what you do to a country that you're going to war against. You fire the scientists and the civil servants. You attack civil society. You try to dismantle Das ist das, was dieses Regime tut.
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Und deshalb beten wir es uns selbst und dem Land, das wir lieben, um dieses Regime zu entlasten. Und das Gute ist, dass, obwohl es ein paar wirklich frühere Verluste gab, absolut Selbstbewusstsein, die wir haben. Ja, genau. Es war eine Kampagne, weil die Leute wussten, dass es kommt, um Harvard zu stecken. Und sie haben das Richtige getan. Sie haben gesagt, weißt du was? Our research matters.
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Our institution matters. And that's great. Some of the lessons there are A, know your worth. Wow. That just happened. So know that they're coming for you in the sector. Know that they're coming for media. Know that they're coming for you and get together. The lesson there is be in solidarity.
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One of the things that happened with the law firms is that instead of calling up Paul Weiss when they got that executive order, all the other law firms called and tried to pick off their clients and tried to pick off their best lawyers. Right? They were like, great, blood in the water, let's do this.
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And so then all of a sudden, you know, the people calling the shots at that firm were like, we're not going to survive the next 72 hours. We've got a cave, right? So The understanding that there's strength in numbers against tyranny is very important. Get ready, right? Stay ready so you don't have to get ready, right? Know what time it is.
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Also, we had one of the largest demonstration days in American history all over the country, all 50 states on April 5th. Oh, ja. und verabschiedet.
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Genau. Und so hatten wir, weißt du, jüdische Eltern und Tufts-Alumne, die, weißt du, einen Protest und einen Tag der Aktion hatten, um diese junge Frau zurück und sicher zu bekommen. Richtig. Also haben wir viele Solidaritätsbewegungen gesehen. Und ich denke, dass es jetzt schrecklich ist. Die Leute fühlen sich so, als hätten wir so viele Dinge zum ersten Mal versucht. Und hier sind wir.
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Die Leute fühlen sich so, als hätte er den populären Vot. Und vielleicht ist das nur Amerika und ich muss meinen Kopf runterhalten. Deshalb sage ich immer 49 Prozent des populären Vot. Richtig. Das ist nicht die Mehrheit von Amerika.
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Das ist eine wirklich gute Frage. Ich bin es, weil sie auch Kanzer bekommen werden.
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Das ist richtig. Nicht alleine. Und es ist nicht linear, richtig? Ich meine, vielleicht beende ich mit diesem, John. Ja. Also, als ich in der Wissenschaftsschule war, habe ich über die Zivilrechtsfälle von 1881 bis 1883 gelesen. Und es hat meine Perspektive auf die Entwicklung in Amerika verändert. So I, like everybody, sort of had this sort of linear narrative of progress of our country, right?
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There was slavery and the Civil War and then there was Jim Crow. That was better than slavery, but it was really bad. And then there was Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King and then Obama, right? You know, like, it's just like this, right?
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But when I learned that after the Civil War, the Reconstruction Congress passed civil rights laws And there was integration in the South. There were black leaders.
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Exactly, right? There were black people in Congress. We had something that just was the fruits of the incredible sacrifice of the Civil War. And then the Supreme Court knocked down those federal civil rights laws in 1881 and 1883. And then we had 75 years of Jim Crow.
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Das ist für sicher. Sie sind in vulnerablen menschlichen Körpern. Vielleicht ist Elon Musk es nicht, weil er einen Art Asteroid-Juice oder etwas auslöst. Ja. But certainly the octogenarian in the White House is in a vulnerable human body and his kids and family members.
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Es war... Es war beides, richtig? Der politische Kompromiss, richtig? Es ist immer ein bisschen beides. Aber, wie gesagt, die Läufe, die verfolgt wurden, wurden von der Verfassung übernommen. Ja. Und so, weißt du, was das mir sagt, ist, dass der Erfolg nicht linear ist. Richtig. Und dass wir uns in einer Zeit finden, in der es große Verträglichkeiten gibt.
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Und es kann aus einer geringen Faktion kommen. Und es kann die Art von Schmerzen erzeugen, die ich denke, dass wir alle im Land sehen werden, sobald diese Zerstörung aus Washington kommt. So viele der Arbeiten, die unser Land wachsen helfen, werden ausgeschnitten. So viel der Finanzierung, die unser Land helfen lässt, ist am vordersten Punkt. Es wird über nichts aufgelöst. Es wird Mühe geben.
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Der Fakt, dass wir in diesem Ort sind, wo Autokratie auf dem Marsch ist, wird schwierig sein. Aber wir wissen auch, dass, wenn die Generation, die die vorherige Enttäuschung erlebt hat, verspürt wäre, würden wir nicht hier sein. Ich würde nicht hier sein, oder? Du würdest nicht hier sein, oder?
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They didn't despair. What did they do, Heather? If they had despaired, we wouldn't be here. They said that there is a wall in front of us and I'm going to keep hammering at it. And I may not be the one to see it fall down, this wall of injustice. But it will fall down because of the blows that I made. That's our job. That's our job right now in this moment.
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To keep hammering at the wall of injustice, to adapt, to be smarter, to be more persuasive, to find new ways to bring people in and call people in. Yes, but also to keep our eye on the prize, as my people would say, because we have got to keep going. And so for everyone who feels like, oh my gosh, I can't watch the news anymore. I'm anxious. I'm depressed. I don't know what to do. I marched.
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I called. I donated. Now I don't feel like doing any of that. I hear you. I feel you. Trust me. I do. And yet we have to for ourselves and for future generations keep doing something. We have to keep taking these blows because what an autocrat wants is for the good civil society majority to fall back. And we can't do it. A better country is in our future. I have no doubt about that.
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But more broadly, the Republican Party, they just do not appreciate how much the foundation of their daily lives depends on public goods. Public goods that have been invested in You know, and catalyzed through research in universities, in partnerships with, you know, private companies.
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And it'll get better because of what we've had to face about ourselves in this dark period.
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Oh, it's alright. You know, I mean, it's like... Part of the job. You know, it's like being a teacher, right? I love it. I love seeing the lights go on for people.
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And then, of course, things like, you know, making sure we have clean air and water and a public health system and all of that. And so I am shocked at the short-sightedness, the meanness, the commitment to just dominance, right? Because that's what this is really about, right? It's using race and gender as the wedge, as the cudgel, as the sort of excuse, right?
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But what Donald Trump is trying to do is exert his control over every institution of civic life. And that is straight and simple out of the autocrat's playbook. And that's where we are right now, as political scientists would say.
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was invented for white men, right? I mean, we had for most of our history until the mid-1960s, we had a system where every part of our policy structure, our economic incentives, the rules, written and unwritten, were set up to allow white men to flourish and everybody else, you know, to ask for permission to merely, you know, have a job and have a family, right?
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That's the default setting. Yeah, that's right. And I mean that literally, right? I mean, in the book, I write about all the different policies that explicitly say that, you know, you cannot get a mortgage if you are in this neighborhood with a high Negro concentration.
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So the Social Security Act, right, which made it so that people could retire with dignity. It excluded the two job categories that most black workers were in. This was a compromise between the Jim Crow delegation to Congress in the New Deal, right, the domestic work and agricultural work. We had at the beginning of the 20th century a massive investment in housing.
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Many of our houses and apartment buildings and everything were built through this huge influx in the first half of the 20th century in housing that working people could afford. And then on top of that, something really unprecedented, which was the idea that there should be Mass Home Ownership. So the government made a system where we have this thing called a mortgage, right?
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Where you could be a working person and just pay off something over time and own property that would be the basis for intergenerational wealth, right? That was all government planning and it was all based on the never substantiated assumption that black people would be too much of a credit risk.
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Und so literally like the progressive FDR federal government drew maps of the entire country and surveyed them down to the block level for their racial and ethnic character and said the areas with a high Negro concentration, for example, do not lend in these areas. Levittown, something I think you're familiar with, right? Other. It's just one example. What is that?
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Ja, die Sprache und die Tatsachen sagten, dass diese verkauft werden können oder verkauft werden können, nur für Menschen, die von der caucasischen Rasse sind. Keine Okta-Ruhe. Kann ich dir etwas sagen? Und du musst testen.
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Das ist richtig. So that's example. And housing of course is very significant because that's how we build our wealth. That's how we have intergenerational wealth. That's a lot of why today, if you are a black college graduate, you have less wealth on average than a white high school dropout.
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If you are a black college graduate, you may have a higher income, you may have a better job, right? You've done all the things, you've gone to college, but you will have less household wealth, like your assets, things to rely on, your home equity, stocks and bonds, etc., than a white high school dropout. And that's entirely history, history showing up in your wallet, right? But, you know, this...
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Die Regierung hat die Wörter historisch ausgeschlossen, weil sie für Forschungsgründe zuständig war. Sie canceln die Geschichte, damit wir das nicht wissen, und wir zurückkehren zu einer priviligierten Wirtschaft, damit sie und Menschen wie sie die Einzigen sind, um zu wachsen. Und mein Punkt insgesamt ist, dass das... Not good for anyone. We need diversity in order to thrive.
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We need economic, racial, gender diversity as a way to innovate. And we are simply, if everything they're trying to do goes through, and is maintained by the Supreme Court, I think that our country will economically, not just morally, but economically be shoved back a generation or two. We will lose our place at the top of the economic pyramid.
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Ja, ich denke, es gibt zwei Wege, das zu tun. Einer ist, wenn man den Leuten einfach erinnert, dass ein System, in dem nur weiße Männer ermöglicht wurden, Top-Positionen zu halten, oder nicht sogar Top-Positionen, wie ein Maschinist, ein Produzent, ein Pilot, ein Fahrer, etc., was itself a form of affirmative action that diminished competition.