Heather McDonald
Appearances
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Hi.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Great. Thanks for having me. This is going to be so fun.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Oh, no. Yeah. Can I ask you a question? Do you think people do this dramatic unfollowing to get a headline? Because I was just thinking about Katie now. I know Katie is at this network and I like her very much.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
But I do feel like I was just thinking I was like, what is up with Katie? And then, you know, my phone reads my thoughts. And then I saw that she's gorgeous. And there was a photo of the guy that she's dating posted with the two of them. And I was like, oh, that's so great that she's doing so well and looking so good. And I personally, maybe there's some people I unfollow.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I don't know why people don't use muting more unless you're looking for a headline. If someone in your life isn't really in your life right now and you don't want to see them having a great time or going to parties without you, All you have to do is mute it.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
But nobody knows that you aren't like on the brink.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, I still follow James Kennedy.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I don't think they're doing it for a headline per se, but- I think the following, unfollowing thing is really lame because it's like, you could just be following people because you're looking for material to talk about and they're an interesting person.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
The same thing when people go, oh, they followed this person. That means they're this way politically. No, I've always followed both candidates. I've always followed people on both sides because I want to know what the arguments are and what they're saying. That does not, you know, like, you don't know.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And that's what I kind of, I hate that dumb side of like, just because you follow someone means that you think that you agree with everything they say and that you guys are asshole buddies and you were going to go on a trip together with the Tate brothers and fly off on a private jet. Like it's fine. Unfollow them. Unfollow him.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I thought it was interesting that the Tate brothers then came forward and were like, no, I hung out for 30 minutes.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I'm not, I don't know. That part was bad. I believe them. Just taking a photo after an event when everybody basically looks the same.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I mean, if those two guys came up to me at a restaurant and, and said, oh my God, my girlfriend's a big fan. Can I get a photo? I would be like, sure. I know who the Tate brothers are. I wouldn't go, you two are the Tate brothers. I wouldn't know that. But if we sat for 30 minutes, I would have known that they were the Tate brothers by then. So that's the difference.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yes.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Let me tell you something about California.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Dads have a lot of rights. This is the best probably one of the best states for dad's rights. No. So every, the judge, judges always want family court. They want it to be 50 50. And it's very hard to prove. I need to have sole custody. I know this because I've been through it. So it's like, it's very, very difficult to do.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
So if he is, you know, showing that he is whatever he said on the other thing, a hundred days sober, um, And part of it is, okay, you drug test or you have a supervised visit with a nanny, whatever. They will always encourage that the relationship with a mother or father is not so severed because there is no time.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And the olden days of just being like, I'll see the kids every other weekend and on Wednesday nights actually works out really well. But the man's ego rarely in 2025 will agree to that because they're like, I'm a good dad. I don't want to see those good dad when actually that pattern is once the kids are in school is a lot easier. to handle than having week on, week off, half, half.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
It's very hard for the kid. And talk to any kid that had to live in two homes that are now 30, and they'll say, yeah, that fucking sucked, and it was hard. So I think she's doing her best to placate and make sure it's okay. And he's very much defending the fact that he keeps saying, I'm a shit husband, but I'm a great father. So we will see it. But then you have the trailer.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
The trailer looks like it's going to tell everything.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I think in the last season, the first season, did you guys watch first season?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
So, you know, he constantly was like kind of shaming her like she was the boozer. And he was like, what are you doing? She's like, I don't feel good. My tummy hurts. And he's like, get out of the room. We're at this. And I thought it's him freaking what we weren't able to see because it would have been breaking the fourth wall. is he was trying to get this spinoff for like four years.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And it finally happened. And he was... And they obviously had marital problems. But he was pissed that she was physically ill and not participating in scenes. And he was like, this is not going to be a hit. And if we don't have this hit, no, we can't have another baby. And the bar will be a bomb. And she physically was not doing well, probably because of the stress of the fact that she was like...
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Do I have another kid with this guy? Like, you know, knowing it's not good, but also not having the strength to go because now they finally have this show and, you know, and what could happen of it. So I think all the stuff that we see was absolutely happening, but they also wanted to keep it quiet so that people watch the show. They want it to be a success.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You know, some people were like, why doesn't she just go back to Kentucky? I'm like, because she makes a lot of money here being an influencer. I mean, she has a kid. There's a lot of opportunities for her. Yeah. But then this is all, you know, this is all, you know, I mean, look, you, you know, you already had a career. Then you became famous on the bachelor stuff.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You made this podcast really work. But I was thinking now that like, nobody talks about the bachelor. Remember when there were like 30 podcasts that were just like recapping the bachelor on I, and they were like all on I heart, like who's even left.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I mean, there were literally like 20 at one time. Like five years ago. I guess Joe and Serena.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
No, no one wants to hear about your, you know.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Is The Bachelor currently on right now? Yes. And it's the guy.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, I used to be so into it and I used to like love to like, but then it also became a part of it. I think the problem with it is like we all realized like, oh, maybe we shouldn't be talking about this girl's speech impediment. You know what I mean? Like, like, like picking apart each person and they're like, you know, twitching.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, but I feel like they're so young now that it feels strange to me.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
That's what I'm saying. I feel too old. I feel like these kids are like my kid's age and I just am like, ew. But it was so fun when it started. Oh my God. When it was like Alex. Alex? The first one. I mean, the first one, it was crazy because nobody knew what this was going to be.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Oh yeah, I remember calling my sister and we were just like, what is this? We just thought it was the craziest, funniest thing. Anyway, okay, what else?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Oh, well, he was just seen last night making out with a new Burnett. I mean... And Lisa Rinna and Erika Jayne.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Like last night in L.A. at Chateau Marmont. Yes, like as in March 11th.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Was this today? He was making out with some girl and it was a near miss. Either he was just leaving or...
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
erica jane and lisa rena had just left and then he arrived and was making out with some girl in chateau vermont and p the comments were like just get divorced they just said young brunette you know but um they just were like oh just what is this so do you think he is not as wealthy as they portray and do you think it's a money thing we remember when kathy hill in a couple weeks ago was like mo can't afford to get divorced to you and i was like wait a second i thought this guy's like close to being a billionaire he's the ceo of the agency ceo is different than owning the
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Oh, or is he like the president or face of?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Real estate, when everyone's like, when people would be like, oh, she just got hired by the agency. No, anybody will take any new real estate agent. My mom used to say, if they put a mirror in front of your face and there's steam, then they'll take you. Sure. Because they're like, okay, can you sell your grandmother's house?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And then once you've gone through all your contacts, now can you still bring in money to have us let you even use this desk?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And I mean...
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yes, I think that he has a lot of money. But like I said, it's a franchise. So I could open an agency tomorrow.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I just don't think they're going to get divorced until one of them is with someone that insists on it.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I think they're just kind of like.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Do you think Morgan and her are lesbians?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
What do you think?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
If the right answer was going to bring you a hundred million dollars, what do you think? Are they a couple or are they not? I don't think they are.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I think that.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I think Morgan Wade found this pretty lady in her DMs and was like, who is this? Saw that it was fun and liked the friendship.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
That pretty lady came in my DMs. I'm doing her voice.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And I'm going to make you love my, and she, I think then the reason she doesn't want to be featured in the show now is because she's like, kind of like when Matt Rife was like, I don't want cute girls to be my fans. I'm a really funny comedian and guys like me too. Like, I think she was like, I don't want a bunch of middle-aged housewives coming to my shows.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I'm like a real country tattooed lesbian singer and I'm a real musician and that is not my fan base. And Kyle was like, so now we can't talk about her. And now, you know, I got what I needed out of it last season. I think they're true friends. I think gay couples are able to be romantic and break up and then remain friends.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
So I think maybe they did have something going on and now they're just friends. I just think she doesn't want to be a divorced woman. Like, I just think she just doesn't want to be divorced.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And she's just like, well, you know, it's fine because I'll go to Aspen when he's not in Aspen and I'll go to Lake Keaton when he's not in Lake Keaton. We have the Encino house. And so they're just kind of like doing that. But I mean, it's not the audience to be like, you have to get divorced. So, I mean, the storyline is just her life.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And I mean, at least her life, I mean, she's kept it going forever. for, you know, whatever, 17 years. I mean, I can't imagine if I was a real housewife and every, and you know, Alex Baskin comes to me and is like, okay, Heather, it's your 10th year. What do you got going? Well, um, we were thinking about buying a new air fryer and I don't know. Cause like, I think this one looks better than that.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I mean, at a certain point, like it's, and then it was like, oh, she's so boring when she's creating a storyline that she had, you know, needs to get plastic surgery or something. Like, They come up with shit. I've had the same podcast for 10 years. What would I do every year to make that seem special? Have a fashion show of podcasters? I don't know.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
So I just kind of feel like I think her situation is real. And I think their marriage was never as good as what they portrayed. And that's the juicy part. I think they were just an attractive couple. That was romantic. And when the cameras were there, he was on. There's other men that would be uncomfortable and kind of dickish.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And then they'd be, and then everyone would be like, your husband's mean. And then they get weird. And then they get divorced. Like, I think he always came off so like fun and gregarious. And so weird. Any little rumors people heard about him getting something on the side, there was never any evidence to it. And they always were, like, kissing each other and very affectionate. That's what I think.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I don't think their marriage was ever that great. And I think Kathy, being that they helped him get in the Hilton and Highland and then he got this opportunity and took a bunch of the top agents and stuff, she was still a little bitter and she was, you know, is, like, not so sad to see.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Oh, team... Sutton?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I mean, I think the scenes with PK and Dorit are fascinating. Like, I could watch that...
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yes. And he and she is like kind of shocked. But you can see that they've had a really bad marriage for a long time and the resentment. And he's like, no, you're not going to tell me what kind of apartment I can get. He's like, see, you're controlling me again while you're in our Encino fabulous home with your glam every day and your four thousand dollar, you know, Louis Vuitton skirt.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Like, you know, so I think it's I think it's so much. And she's kind of like, well, I was planning on just being in a miserable marriage forever. I mean, why are you telling me that we're getting divorced? P.K.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah. He did this English show about realtors in England. Sure. And I don't know. That could have been a hint and made money. It maybe could have. So who knows?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
She's got to get a rich boyfriend, like a real rich boyfriend, who then just goes to PK. I got this. Who's like tall and sexy. Sign the papers. I love her. She's a hoot. Like, you know, whatever. But I don't think a lot of billionaires want to be the boyfriend of a real housewife. I mean, that's what Ramona told me. Ramona said she could never get a boyfriend of any quality
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
after her divorce until she left the show.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And then when the last ultimate girls trip, they wanted her to like behave badly and all that stuff. And she was like, no, like I have a completely nice, normal boyfriend and you're only paying me a hundred grand for one week. So no, I'm not going to throw fits and be obnoxious like I normally am, you know, because she was like, you know what, Heather, it was really, really difficult. Okay.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
All these girls are like, oh, why don't you do this? Why don't you do that? You know, I finally met a really nice guy. And so she has a nice guy. She's like happy. But it's what guy who's like 60 and has real money wants to have a million blogs. Todd who? Bronwyn.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
bryan's husband oh he literally just described him he hates it he's doing it yeah he's up there he's performing that man loves i listened to that interview you had with her and i thought it was good and um what do you think of the fact that that she sat here and you said a five million dollar necklace and she didn't correct you that a it was four or that she never had it anyway yeah
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Or, you know, she had to drive all the way down to Laquita and then it didn't result in any sale. And maybe she, looking back, they didn't feel like the jeweler got the PR. I mean, how many times have you had that where someone thinks like that you're going to give them more PR or tag them more or whatever.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And then they like, all of a sudden you wake up at three in the morning and there's like a nesting text of like, you know, I don't think I got enough out of that. And you're like, oh God. I remember Ross Matthews said, I would rather, he goes, what did I mean? We were talking about that.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
He goes, if Picasso himself was going to offer me a painting for free, so long as I promoted it, you know, and tagged it to his liking, I would rather cut off my own ear than accept that. Like sometimes those things, you just cannot be right. Sometimes people are like so happy to
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
and you like do a little story usually their expectations of what they think they're giving you versus what right they think you're giving them are and so i think she was kind of better that a they didn't buy it she didn't get a sale and i don't remember the jeweler no i remember what she looked like but i don't it wasn't like oh it was you know jenny's jewels on rodeo like i didn't know what it was like 14 whatever people always talk about that 14 carat
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Or even the Vanderpump guy jeweler. Like I feel like those people get what they need out of like being the jeweler to the Bravo star, you know? And then, or like restaurants and stuff. Like last night they had Drake on.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Drake's restaurant. And my son is named Drake. And I've been to Drake's and I was like, Oh, you know what? We need to go there after he graduates from college and have a nice day. Those kind of things put it in your head to go there. And if you feel like you did all this effort and it was cut or wasn't that great, she was like, no, she never bought it. I remember Slade.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Remember Slade and Joe from Real Housewives of Boise? You do. I remember when I met him, I was on Chelsea Lately and I saw him in the audience with his new girlfriend. And I was like, oh my God. So nobody was watching the show back then. And so I asked him and I was like, oh my God, Joe was such a bitch after you got all those jewels for her. He goes, that wasn't real.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
That was a jeweler friend of mine that brought over these. And that was like, you know, 17 years ago. And that's what I was like, oh, this stuff isn't real. But at least he was honest. He wasn't like, yeah, can you believe I spent $30,000? He was just like, no, it was, you know, just a bit for the show. Yeah. Yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Oh, I love Bronwyn. Yeah. Well, Todd and I are working on it. No, she can never. I don't want anyone to leave that show.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah. Yeah. Which is refreshing. They're a very fun, interesting couple to watch.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I have. I've watched the first two episodes.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I think it's kind of fun. You know, even the cover of the poster, it's very reminiscent of what the first season of Kardashians was. Yeah. On E! where they... And then the curtain falls and it's their house behind. And so it's like they're holding a frame and they all look pretty, but they're wearing pajama pants. And I think that there is...
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
a want of that type of like mid 2000s or the aughts or whatever they call it reality show and I think we see that and I think it's interesting to see the sister dynamic I really do and they're all so different yeah and I like her and yeah so it's I was, when the one girl started OnlyFans, I was kind of sad because I was like, you have all this opportunity.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You would rather just take sexy photos and not leave your home than like go be on a soap or something. Like you, like you could be getting a show right away, but huh?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Well, yeah. And you have to memorize lines.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You don't want to work at the candy shop anymore. I do think people are inherently lazy. And I think she was like, well, I worked at a yogurt shop or I could take these sexy photos of me and make money, which I totally get.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Maybe this will be a good thing if she ever does want to act now, it could go that way. But I would have, I would have been like, look, I know this is like an easy money grab, but you know, you have these, you come from like grandparents that were actors. Like you should see if, if acting is something you want to do, but maybe it's not. She got a nose job. I don't think that's good for her.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Now she looks like Denise.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You know what? I don't anymore. I actually think the reality show is a really good idea to see her personality and stuff. So I actually think this was a smart move for the family to do this. And I don't think OnlyFans is anything to be embarrassed about.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I've had her on my show and I really like her. And, you know, she when she came on my show a couple of years ago was like her first season of it. And, you know, she told me the story of like how Charlie they had Thanksgiving and Charlie came and there was a sex worker, girlfriend, whatever. And she was just like, he's like, she's fine. She's just in the car in the driveway.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And Denise was like, no, like, bring her in. Or she brought her out a plate. I don't know. Just the story of like, I called her saying Denise, because also after they got divorced and when she left him while the little one was in her tummy. The younger daughter, she then when he married the other girl who's been, you know, struggling with with rehabs, I think she's been 21 times or something.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
They had these twin boys and she took the twin boys because they were both so fucked up. Oh, wow. So she took her ex's kids. No, Denise is a good person. So I was like, you know, I do believe she really is a great mom and has a big heart.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
See, I disagree because after interviewing so many housewives from all different branches, actually the real housewives of Beverly Hills who were real actresses before, in my opinion, are the most down to earth. Like Lisa Renick came to my show by herself on time, planned it between she and me years ago.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Lisa was like Kyle, the most down to earth because she grew up in the business, like the people that grew up in the business actually having to work and be on set and respect that they this could be taken from them and they're not the star. Those housewives are so much more down to earth than the ones that never were even in a high school play and are now the star of a peacock show.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Like those girls, those ones are the more difficult that I believe have a more inflated opinion of themselves. And I just kind of like play along, but like Denise total, you know, showed up with the, with the bun and never late, never once have any of those actual actresses ever been late or flaked on a podcast. The, the people that have are the ones that,
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Had nothing to do with the business and somehow lived in the area and got on the show. And I'm like, oh, you know, why were you a half hour? Did something happen? No, I was just on the phone in the parking lot. Okay. Yeah. Like, all right. Yeah. Is there going to be a White Chicks 2? Yes, I think there is.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I, I, I don't know if I'll be in it, but I DMed Keenan and I'm like, is this true? And he said, yes. And I said, I have so many ideas for what I've been. I have so many ideas of what the storyline could be and what funny characters I could help develop. So I would absolutely drop everything to work on it. And he said like, absolutely. Oh, it's we'll be in touch as it gets closer. Yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
So I will let the world know once these DMs stop being returned and then I will release the Juicy Scoopers on the Wayans Brothers because I had such a good time going to his house every day 21 years ago to write that movie. They had written, they had the movie sold and I was like a contributing writer. So I helped with, you know, the girl lines, scenes, whatever that was.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And then the part that I played was the... with a sales girl. And the way that came about is his sister, Kim, who was on In Living Color, had come over and she was wearing these pants that like everybody wanted. These pants were so amazing. You go to this boutique on Third Street. And I was like, oh, I call those the magic pants. And I go, but that girl that works there is so annoying.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
She's always like... hi, can I help you with something? And Keenan starts laughing. He goes, oh, we need a shopping scene. And he goes, go write a shopping scene. So then I wrote the scene and I wasn't even writing that part for myself. And then they called me from Canada and they're like, we were able to, cause they had to hire so many Canadian actors for like small parts.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And he's like, we were able to, you know, if you can get here tomorrow, you can be the sales girl. And I never like expected that when I wrote it. And so it's so fun.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You know, everyone contributed jokes. And I mean, there's so many funny things that I remember of like how the jokes came about. Like one of the nephews, like people would come in and just give in jokes. And one of the nephews came up with like, or I think it was one of them. Remember when they're like, you know what they say, when you go black, you end up in a wheelchair.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And he goes, and then someone just comes by, then a white girl just comes by in a wheelchair. hi, like all those, like, and we, I remember like dying, laughing at his house about that. I remember when the girls did the dance, they showed him the dance and been practicing for three days with the choreographer. And Keenan goes, no, now it's too good. You guys can't be that good.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
So then they had to like do the funk and they had to like redo it to be like less good. And so there's just, it was just such a fun thing. And I, I'm so happy that it's like with stained, like,
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, all of that because it was never, people would always be like, oh, what if this, what if that? I'm like, there is no what if. It's white chicks and we love that guys were making fun of our anorexia, bulimia, weirdness about our bodies and the things that we would say and do. It was all, yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
So I really, I really hope because I think it could be so good and I would drop everything to go and just like be in that writers room again I mean the whole scene was and I'm I forget her name but Deb from Dexter oh yes yes yes the whole her like Tina the talking that was based on that was based on my sorority sister Stacy who I just was texting with last night she used to do that.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
We'd get dressed and she'd be like, Oh, hello. I'm not like, and like take her fat and talk like that. And so, you know, and you know, we'd be like, what's this? You know, and we'd like talk like, Oh, baby's got back. Like what the fuck is my ass doing in this thing? And we would like talk about our bodies like that.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And so, yeah, those were all things that like just came from my life of being a white chick. And then I remember when we were writing the, the Sean goes, I want to go out to a nightclub with you and your girlfriends and like observe. So we go to this nightclub in L.A. It might have been the gate where Mauricio and Kyle met. It was on La Cienega.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And, you know, girl, we go to Mr. Chow's first and the guys are all fun. And like, I bring a couple of girlfriends with me. And that song, Crazy in Love by Beyonce comes out. And it was like every white girl was like dancing that song. And Sean just sat back and was like, I don't care how much money this costs. We got to get this song to be the dance song.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
song you know like so this is so it was just so fun i'm just i love that it was and it was like wayne's brothers are the most classy like loving uh gentlemen family i love them they're just normal fucking people they're just normal hard workers that like you know know how to be funny and work on it heather yes thank you so much for having me it was fun
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Oh, Juicy Scoop, which will be going on their 10th. Our 10th year will start, I think, July 1st. And it's every Tuesday and Thursday. And then my Patreon, which I've had for eight and a half years, is all the really juicy, more intimate stuff. And that's every Friday. And you get that at HeatherRetal.net. Thank you.