Guy Kawasaki
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This is one of those kinds of questions that you answer and you hear somebody answer. And you have to understand, you need to be a skeptic when you hear people answer that kind of question because you're only hearing one person's story. There's nothing scientific about my story. There's no controlled experiment.
This is one of those kinds of questions that you answer and you hear somebody answer. And you have to understand, you need to be a skeptic when you hear people answer that kind of question because you're only hearing one person's story. There's nothing scientific about my story. There's no controlled experiment.
It's like if you took two people identical to a guy, you put them in an identical program, you give them identical opportunities, and then you see which way is better, pivot or stay. This is not science. There's no control. There's no hypothesis. This is just dog shit luck. But dog shit luck worked out for me.
It's like if you took two people identical to a guy, you put them in an identical program, you give them identical opportunities, and then you see which way is better, pivot or stay. This is not science. There's no control. There's no hypothesis. This is just dog shit luck. But dog shit luck worked out for me.
Listen, I write management books, so I know how much bullshit there is. But for every book that says you got to fail fast, you got to break things, you got to pivot. There's another book that says you got to stick with it. Even when naysayers are telling you it's impossible, you don't believe them, you stick with it because you believe. Well, those two pieces of advice are diametrically opposed.
Listen, I write management books, so I know how much bullshit there is. But for every book that says you got to fail fast, you got to break things, you got to pivot. There's another book that says you got to stick with it. Even when naysayers are telling you it's impossible, you don't believe them, you stick with it because you believe. Well, those two pieces of advice are diametrically opposed.
Do I pivot or do I gut it out? And it depends on which book you read last, right? So when you asked me that question, I don't know what to tell people because for some people you can pivot, for some people you can stick it out. Both ways have worked.
Do I pivot or do I gut it out? And it depends on which book you read last, right? So when you asked me that question, I don't know what to tell people because for some people you can pivot, for some people you can stick it out. Both ways have worked.
I don't think there's any science to it, but I will tell you that my observation, and this is just one person's observation, is that sometimes it's better to water the grass that you're standing on than to find new grass. And I could make the case that I quit Apple twice. I turned Steve Jobs down for a third job. So you're listening to a podcast guest who left Apple three times.
I don't think there's any science to it, but I will tell you that my observation, and this is just one person's observation, is that sometimes it's better to water the grass that you're standing on than to find new grass. And I could make the case that I quit Apple twice. I turned Steve Jobs down for a third job. So you're listening to a podcast guest who left Apple three times.
Maybe you want to go find a better episode now because why would I listen to this dumbass who left the most valuable company in the world before he made any long-term capital gains? So Let's just put that out on the table. But I will say that for those of you who are now thoroughly confused about whether you should pivot or stick it out, I'm telling you, either way can work.
Maybe you want to go find a better episode now because why would I listen to this dumbass who left the most valuable company in the world before he made any long-term capital gains? So Let's just put that out on the table. But I will say that for those of you who are now thoroughly confused about whether you should pivot or stick it out, I'm telling you, either way can work.
And like I referred to before in Silicon Valley, the way it works is if you pivot and you're successful, you say, Of course I pivoted. I'm so smart. I came to that realization. And if you stick it out, you say, of course I stuck it out. I knew I was right. But that's how Silicon Valley works. Now, there is a bigger, more important lesson here.
And like I referred to before in Silicon Valley, the way it works is if you pivot and you're successful, you say, Of course I pivoted. I'm so smart. I came to that realization. And if you stick it out, you say, of course I stuck it out. I knew I was right. But that's how Silicon Valley works. Now, there is a bigger, more important lesson here.
And I think the bigger, more important lesson is whenever you hear a story, you always ask the question, what's missing? And I'll give you a perfect story for this. So, you know, lots of times there's this issue about should I go to college or not? Is a degree worth it? I'm an entrepreneur. I don't need a degree or do I?
And I think the bigger, more important lesson is whenever you hear a story, you always ask the question, what's missing? And I'll give you a perfect story for this. So, you know, lots of times there's this issue about should I go to college or not? Is a degree worth it? I'm an entrepreneur. I don't need a degree or do I?
And then you listen to some people, Peter Thiel or whatever, and they say, you don't need to go to college. Steve Jobs didn't finish college. Bill Gates didn't finish college. Mark Zuckerberg didn't finish college. Those are three highly successful people. They prove you don't need to go to college. Well, when you hear a story like that, you ask yourself, what's missing?
And then you listen to some people, Peter Thiel or whatever, and they say, you don't need to go to college. Steve Jobs didn't finish college. Bill Gates didn't finish college. Mark Zuckerberg didn't finish college. Those are three highly successful people. They prove you don't need to go to college. Well, when you hear a story like that, you ask yourself, what's missing?
And what's missing is you've heard three examples of people who didn't go to college and succeeded. Well, what about the people who didn't go to college and failed, which is 99.9999999% of the people? And the flip side is also true is how many people went to college and became successful? Because every Fortune 500 company has a CEO that went to college.
And what's missing is you've heard three examples of people who didn't go to college and succeeded. Well, what about the people who didn't go to college and failed, which is 99.9999999% of the people? And the flip side is also true is how many people went to college and became successful? Because every Fortune 500 company has a CEO that went to college.