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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
Good, how are you? Nice to meet you. I'm a big fan of your career, everything you stand for in this industry, but... But... This awful take, I'm not gonna let it seep through. So Michael Jordan, there are two angles to looking at the GOAT debate. Number one, could Michael Jordan have done what LeBron is doing in this era and vice versa?
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
The other angle is, is there any single thing that Michael Jordan has done over the course of an entire career better than LeBron James. So I'm asking you, is there one thing that you could definitively say that Michael Jordan did better than LeBron James over the course of his entire NBA career? Yeah, he won better.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
Part of the argument to what you said is everything you just said is wrong. So if you look at true shooting percentage, which takes into account all the scoring, Who had the better true shooting percentage in his NBA career in the regular season? LeBron James. Who had the better true shooting percentage in the playoffs? LeBron James. And you just said Michael Jordan won a lot better.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
So starting one and nine in the playoffs in his career doesn't count, just doesn't matter. Or losing to the Pistons over and over again because he was so dominated by any level of physicality because he was soft. So that does not count. That doesn't matter.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
So first, if we're gonna call Bill Belichick overrated, we need to look at his entire career as a defensive coordinator before he was even in New England. So if we're gonna look at that, he was with the Giants for 10 years. They had a top 10 defense every year except for once. Granted, he had Lawrence Taylor, I'll give you that.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
So then he leaves for the Browns after those two Super Bowls that he had where they had top two defenses. The Giants went from the best defense in two years down to the worst. And the Browns went from dead last all the way to the top 10 within two years with Bill Belichick. As my friend here said, Tom Brady's never won a Super Bowl without a top 10 defense. Bill Belichick is not 20%.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
You can make the argument for 50-50. Brady did some great things. In his two best Super Bowl performances, he wasn't able to carry them to the win.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
We can talk about Tampa Bay, Tom Brady and Tampa Bay.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
Top five defense his first year he got there. James Winston could have won that Super Bowl that year. He made a smart choice, didn't he? Yes, sir.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
You gotta realize who else left that defense though. Bill Belichick, if you're naming the Patriots Super Bowl rosters, you can name more stars on their defense than you can on their offense. You will be able to name way more defense. Brandon LaFell's a Super Bowl champion. Where'd he go after the Patriots? Okay, good job. Thank you. Fire away.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
So two words in this debate. I heard all your debates, but Matt Castle, he proves that Belichick is a coach without Tom Brady as a head coach.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
Missed the playoffs because it was a tremendous amount of activity going on in the AFC. So let's leave that out. 11 and five without Brady, right?
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
So let me go backwards. All right. The gentleman brought up when he was a defensive coordinator for the Giants. I'm an Eagles fan. I started loving this game through Randall Cunningham. Best, amazing, like the amount of things that he could do on offense was amazing.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
Who shut him down? Twice a year, I almost cried because Brando looked like a regular quarterback. 70% of the game because Bill Belichick, his planning and tactical ability to make- But maybe Lawrence Taylor shut him down a little bit? Yes, of course, Lawrence Taylor. But one player does not shut that down. Not one player. It was the defensive schemes. It was his adjustments.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
Now as a head coach, and always, Bill Belichick makes adjustments better than any coach I've ever seen. I don't like the man. I hate him. So I'm not making the argument like, Bill Belichick. I'm saying Bill Belichick is the man that can come up with a plan. It doesn't matter who his personnel is. He will come up with a plan to win. Now, of course, Brady has a huge amount to do with it.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
I don't discount Brady. To me, he's the greatest quarterback ever to do it. But... 80-20 skip? Like, that's extreme.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
It's extreme. Matt Castle shows you it's extreme.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
Yes, and that's a balancing act. We're going to figure it out. But if you talk to players, and I'm friends with a lot of them that played for him. If you talk to players, will they stand up and do the best they've ever done for him? Yes. Not just out of fear, but out of respect. Why?
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
Because the schemes that he comes up with when they play for his team versus someone else where they suddenly can't play. Okay. shows that he knows how to use player personnel better than any coach in the league.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
Yes, 41 to 33. So you're totally right. I can't argue my game, right? Like he didn't do the best he could have done against the Eagles. Why? Because it's a team sport. He's not on the field. He only can do his schemes, and he made an amazing – grunt at it. It's not like we blew them out. It was 41-33. It was a very competitive game.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
I was scared half of it, but I was enjoying the fact that our team, which was a dynamite team in the moment, we sucked the year after. Like, we really were a team of the moment. Everyone was firing all cylinders. When Carson Wentz dropped down, every player stepped up, including Nick Foles, including the safeties, including our... not so great linebackers.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
Everyone played well in that game, including Brandon Graham. So we got to go into, okay, the Brady fell or the Belichick fell in that game. Both of them did.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
Now you're talking about head coach, defensive coordinator, and you made the argument, but you made the argument that we're focusing on head coach and we want to focus on coordinator. You can't bring in head coach and then make that the thing.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
It's his expertise, but as you know, as a head coach, that's not all he can focus on, correct?
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
So when you're saying that, that's not even the only thing that happened.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
You're talking about culture. The culture was a balance.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
You keep mentioning that Tom Brady threw to Edelman, to Gronk, etc. You also brought up briefly the Tampa Bay stint and that he was a wizard for choosing Tampa Bay. He was. He forced Rob Gronkowski to come out of retirement because he knew he couldn't do it without Rob Gronkowski. He made sure he was going to a top five defense. He made sure he had Mike Evans and Chris Godwin, etc.,
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
And I did not see it coming. As a Patriots fan, I was upset. But that team, that support staff was arguably the best support staff he's ever had in his career.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
What about, I mean, you mentioned Mac Jones. James Winston. You mentioned Mac Jones losing in the playoffs. Bill Belichick got to the playoffs with Mac Jones. How many, how many coaches in NFL history can get to the playoffs?
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
And then what happened? Mac Jones happened.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
Thank you. And Josh Allen happened, yes. I'm not saying Brady was assistant quarterback. Brady could do stuff in the playoffs that most quarterbacks could not do. But he doesn't do it without Bill Belichick. Was 10-3 against the Rams, was that Brady playing great defense?
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
Brady still had a chance to drive down the field with a lot more time than, for example, Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen have had, and they've completed those drives against a defense that wasn't the best defense. We're not talking about this year's Eagles. We're talking about those year Eagles. That wasn't the best defense, and Brady couldn't do it.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
The fact that they were even competitive in that game was the system that Bill Belichick has built that till this day, people say the Patriot system is mostly Bill Belichick, what he has built. Okay, but as a Patriot fan, weren't you outraged that he gave up 41 to Nick Foles? Absolutely.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
And it wasn't a perfect game from Bill Belichick, but there have been many more imperfect games from Tom Brady where Bill Belichick and his system have saved him and bailed him out.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
Which the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, he went to the Buccaneers because he knew there were multiple routes to getting bailed out.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
Even if you assume one scandal, and even if you take away his accolades from that era, what about after that? Once you are involved in one scandal, you get scrutinized more than anybody else in the league.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
And Deflategate was more Tom Brady, and also it wasn't a real scandal. That was a lack of understanding of science.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
But how many times has Tom Brady Gone to the Super Bowl, like it's been mentioned before, gone to the Super Bowl, won a Super Bowl with a top 10 defense. Tom Brady is not playing defense. Bill Belichick built that defense.
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1 Sports Analyst vs 25 NBA/NFL Fans (ft. Skip Bayless)
Bill Belichick built a system where people think that Drake May can immediately become a contender because of the system that Bill Belichick has built that will last for a long, long time.