Evan Hafer
Appearances
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
It's the only way that works. We figure out what works, what doesn't work by successes and failures, and we all adjust along the way. But you've got to give people freedom. Freedom and information. Those are two very important things. When you're suppressing either one of them, you can't be the good guy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
You're not oversimplifying it. If you don't have that, you don't have any of these things. You don't have any growth. You don't. You're going to have people that are in power that stifle discourse. They're going to stifle debate. They're going to stifle it because they only want their side to be heard. It's that lady at the table telling me that Sam Harris and Douglas Murray was hate speech.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
It's those people. You can have those people dictating what you can and can't talk about based on their own morals. And you don't even know how they think about things. You don't even know them. They don't do podcasts. They're not hanging out with you at the bar. You're not going to dinner with them. You don't fucking know them. So you don't know if they're making good judgment calls.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
You don't know if their assessment of something is something you agree with or if it's even rational. You don't know. These weird strikes you get on your account. You get this fear-based letter that comes to you. If you do this again, you're fucked. You're like, oh, no. Now what do I do?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Well, I better self-censor and go along with the machine and stop misgendering people and stop doing this and stop doing that and stop saying this. And then you're fucked. And then you're fucked. And then you might as well be living in any other country that's controlled by a dictator. It's just a dictator by a different name. That's all it is. It's fascism, but it's not right-wing fascism.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
It's left-wing fascism. It's adherence to the state. They want you to go along with the mandate. The way they talk about things is the way you have to talk about things. And to think, if anything, this election was a giant fuck you to all that. Where everyone was like, fuck, you guys are fucking crazy. We see where this is going. You're going right off a cliff and you're running.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
And if anything that showed you about that, the Harris budget, which has spent a billion dollars, 580 million of it or something like that was for staff.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
And there's all this money that went to all these outreach groups and celebrities. What the fuck is this? And then there are $20 million in debt at the end of it. And you want to manage the economy?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah, they said it on Fox News, Jamie, so it has to be true. It has to be true. Way better.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
But wasn't there all the money that they had spent on activism?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
yeah there you go inside the lives of girls dressed as boys in afghanistan the cultural practice of bacha posh bacha posh that's a i think that's the flip that's the reverse encourages parents dress their daughters as sons for a better future but often it only makes life harder that's a different so it's boys is oh so that's the opposite that's the opposite girls dress as boys so this is a different thing yeah why do they do that what's that about girls dressed as boys
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Stop being a fucking party pooper. There are people asking for their services. Scroll up and let me see what this says. But no, I'm sorry. Scroll down a little. I just want to see what it all says. So it says Kamala raised $1.003 billion. She spent $1.37 billion. She spent $582.53 million on staff.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
I've changed my opinion of it a little bit since the election I don't think the control, the grip of the control of the country is as strong as I thought it was. I thought this concept, so everyone has a concept of they. They don't want you to know things. They're controlling things.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
I have a feeling that in times of crisis, like what we find ourselves currently in, it's like when the lights come on and roaches scatter. That's what I have a feeling. I have a feeling there's no way that they can trust each other And that they all know that a certain percentage of people are going down for corruption. There's a certain percentage of people that did some dirty shit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
There's some connections with organizations and corporations and some emails. Save your emails. It's one of the things that Rob K said. Preserve your records and pack your bags. Dude.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah, that's epic. Preserve your records because we know you're all a bunch of liars. We've caught you already on emails lying about stuff. So you've all perjured yourselves. Like Fauci perjured himself. There's no difference. Just the definition of gain of function. Like shut the fuck up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
You don't change the definition and make it ultra super nuanced so that it fits in your little excuse box of why you didn't fund gain of function research. The fuck you didn't. That's what you did. That's what it is. And when Rand Paul was confronting him with it, that was like one of the craziest moments.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah. An evil villain that just lied to everybody and got away with it. And no repercussions.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
How wild was it when Dick Cheney was endorsing Obama, or excuse me, was endorsing Kamala?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
And everybody was like, yeah, look at that, right-wing people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah. I would like to have that. Satan would be amazing. Just all caps on the back. Satan. The liberals would still find a way. It's like Satanism in the classical sense. It was just like a rejection of the norm.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Did you see the Babylon Bees one recently where they're talking about criticizing Trump's new appointments in comparison to Biden's appointments? Have you seen it? No. It's just images.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
a bald dude with the dress. It's the other dude who's the first female admiral. It's the first female admiral. Imagine if you're a woman and you're trying to become an admiral. This motherfucker just jumps the line.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Here it is. Biden administration declares Trump cabinet picks unqualified.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
He scares me. I imagine myself with a backpack sneaking across the Rio Grande. That fucking guy's there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah. Like, what did he say? He was like, ah. About families? Is there any way to not separate families?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
It's just like he said it. I was like, whoa. This is getting dark. Yeah. See, I'm like a bleeding heart. I want people from another country that are poor to make their way here and make a better life. I want that. I just want to be scanned. I want to know who the fuck is coming over. I want to make sure they're not cartel members. I want to make sure they're not terrorists.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
But I'm all for people that want a better life because I would do it. I'd be a complete total hypocrite if I said I lived in Guatemala in some village and there's no power. And I found out that I could walk to America. And if I did it, it'd take three days. And then I can get a job in the fields. And then I make way more money. I could send money home. And everybody could have clean water.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
I'd fucking do it. You would do it. We'd all do it. We'd all do it. So part of me is like, man, I don't want to send anybody back. But the other part of me is like... What about terrorists? Like, what about checking for cartel members? What about the fentanyl that's coming through? Like, you can't have an open border.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
This is the dancing boys of Afghanistan? Yes. Go back up again, show what's going on. These guys are throwing money at this dancing boy. Back that up, Jamie?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Well, it makes sense that if you want to make the world a better place and you want less people trying to sneak into our country, one of the best ways is to make their country better. Right. But we got to do it ethically. The crazy thing, and we've beaten this horse a thousand times, is that everybody has a phone and everybody's phone is made by slaves.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
And if it's not made by slaves, the cobalt that's in it, there's a real high chance that it came from someone with a fucking stick poking it into the ground and digging it out for you. Right. And that's everybody. We have to take a hard look at all this stuff. We should be making our phones in America. We should be making our phones in America with American minerals.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
They're a source for people to get paid a fair labor wage. They get health benefits. There's OSHA. People check on things, make sure that regulations are in place, make sure that people get – make sure that they're making enough money to make a living, to live, a livable wage. Right. You have to do that in America if you want to do it legally.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
The only reason to do it somewhere else is so that you can do something legal Because it's legal there, but it's not legal where you live. It shouldn't be legal to have people working in another country for you for fucking 15 cents an hour. It's too crazy. It's too crazy that you cross this dirt path and now you're allowed to be a piece of shit. It seems crazy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
But if you're doing it the right way and you're paying people well and you're allowing people to thrive in a place where there was nothing before, yeah. You can give people a pathway to do a lot of different things. Economic success opens up a lot of fucking doors, especially with education, especially with safety, with schools, with better communities. People have money.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
There's not so much tension. Yeah, it's good. It's good to have a thriving industry. It's good to have a thriving economy. It's good for everybody. It's just not good for everybody, everybody. There's always going to be people that suffer in every kind of economy, in every kind of situation in the world. There's going to be people that suffer.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Those are like little boys, and they were dancing like strippers, and these guys are throwing dollars at them. Yes. Yep. Oh, my God. This is so crazy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
And like we were talking about on the way here, like some of it's just luck. There's a lot of luck. There's a lot of luck. Luck is a real thing, you know, good and bad. And it's there's, you know. That's one of the most important things about having some success in this life, you know, is having the humility to understand that you just got lucky as fuck.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
You're lucky as fuck if you're alive, especially you, right? You're lucky as fuck you're alive.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
So I'm 10 years older than you. So when I was... Like 30, no, I think I was 27 when the internet became like a normal thing to have in your house. And you had a dial-up. And you turn on America Got Mail, or You Got Mail. You've Got Mail on AOL. So from that point on, the fucking world changed so wildly and so quickly that we weren't even really noticing it while it was changing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
And now here we are. Here we are in 2024 where it seems like the most chaotic, the most weird. Trump just won again. Somehow or another I helped him. I'll call this fucking crazy. Like this is the wildest timeline ever.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah, the moment that he won like that in a landslide, I was like, maybe they don't have such a grasp. And maybe this will open up the door to making things more rational and balanced. And we could stop a lot of this fucking awful corruption that's just intertwined. Like the mycelium that's under the soil. Yeah. The corruption just intertwined. And a lot of it's legal corruption.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Okay, let's imagine you're paying 40% in income taxes. Then if you live in California, you pay another 14.4, I think it is, something like that. And then I think it's another 1% if you live in the city of Los Angeles. So now you're down to 30, what, 34%? What do you get there? Somewhere in the high 30s. So then you have sales tax on everything you buy. You have property tax. You have insurance.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
You have whatever your house costs. You don't have a lot of money left over. And the government doesn't even have to tell you what they're spending it on. Like you probably get less than they do if you really think about it. If they get 40% – let's just say you don't have tax shelters and all that good stuff.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
But if you pay 40% in income taxes and then after all the shit, like after all property tax and state tax and this tax and sales tax, how much did you get? What did you get? How much money did you actually get? I bet the government got more than you got, bitch.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
That is so bananas that you don't even get an itemized list of what they spend it on.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Come on, never? Never. Never. Never. Pentagon's accounting records are so convoluted that billions of dollars cannot be accounted for, charges a new government report. Oh my God. Oh my God. That is so crazy. Never?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
You haven't survived an audit. That is so funny. That's so funny. Despite having trillions of dollars in assets and receiving hundreds of billions in federal dollars annually, the department has never detailed its assets and liabilities in a given year.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
For the past three financial years, the Defense Department's audit has resulted in a disclaimer of opinion, meaning the auditor didn't get enough accounting records to form an assessment. Like, sorry, we don't have any paperwork.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
What if all of it's going to UFOs? Huh? What if all of it's going to UFOs? What if all of it's going to some propulsion research thing that they're doing that got UFOs and it's not telling us? What are they spending it on? How much of it is getting greased into the side pockets of people?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah, I'd rather you tell me that you can't tell me than tell me you don't know. Tell me you can't tell me. Tell me you can't tell me. Despite costing more than $1.7 trillion in its estimated life cycle, attempts to audit the program have run into major hurdles. Oh, the F-35. So this is just the F-35? The F-35 is just... I could hide some propulsion money. It could. $1.7 trillion?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Just for one program. It probably... I'm sure. Look, if Area 51 exists, and now we know it does for sure, it was a real base. They said it wasn't a base forever. And then during the Obama administration, they had to expand the boundaries because surveillance equipment and binoculars and telescopes are getting better and more sophisticated.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
So when you're hearing about this, one of the things about child molesting is that if these kids are growing up in this culture where they're going to be an adult and they're going to do that to kids as well which has probably happened to all these guys right like this is you're not going to fix that with all these people alive like the culture gets to a point where it's so fucked that
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
And they were filming things that were flying around they shouldn't have been filming. So they expanded the boundaries. They had to say that Area 51 existed. Right, right. What was that? Where'd you get the money? What'd you do? What are you doing down there? Why do people say you have UFOs? What the fuck are you doing?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Why do you have a base in the middle of fucking nowhere that's built into the side of a mountain? Why are you guys acting like this is an Avengers movie? What are you doing out here? Once again, it goes back to just transparency. Or you can't tell me because you think I'm a fucking baby. The same reason why you think I can't have mushrooms.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
It's like how do you – how can you ever fix that? How many generations would it take before the scars of all those people being abused wears off and normalizes and people can be normal again? People can be like what we would consider a Western civilization like London or New York.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Come on, brother. Good to see you again. Good to see you. So this conversation was – well, anytime you want to come on, I'm always happy to talk to you. But this conversation was birthed out of that crazy conversation we had in elk hunting camp. Which one? Well, yeah. We had quite a few of them where you just – You will open up my eyes to some of these.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
I'm just yeah, that's my theory I think that along with all the other stuff means there was probably
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
bunch of people that did not want him around oh yeah he wanted to get rid of the CIA yeah he he had his eyes on the Federal Reserve there was a lot of crazy talk about secret societies and you know you've seen that speech about secret society oh yeah yeah and there was he's a real threat and as soon as you can get those killers to want him out too well now you got a problem solved
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
He was also not universally loved. We think of him as being universally loved because he's dead. Yeah. But when he was alive, there's a lot of people that were not fans of his in the red states, probably particularly Dallas. Dallas. He was driving through Dallas.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
What's amazing about it really is how sloppy the whole- Sloppy as shit. The whole thing from autopsy to- The fucking magic bullet laying on the gurney to having to come up with the magic bullet theory because the ricochet in the underpass. The whole thing is so clunky. It's such a shitty explanation. You couldn't kill one extra guy and say there was another guy over here? We killed him too? Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
This is such a shit job you guys do. You don't have one other idiot that you can get out there. One other idiot give them a bad rifle and just fucking shoot them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
And it was on the Geraldo Rivera show. Which is completely insane. Dick Gregory, who is a stand up comedian, brought it on the Geraldo Rivera show. Are you serious?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Dick Gregory, who is a stand up. He's a lot more than that, too. He's an activist, but but like a real one, you know, not a not in any way some sort of a social value grifter. I think a lot of people gravitate towards activism because it gives them a chance to be really shitty because they're right. He was a brilliant guy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
But it was also a guy who was a truth seeker back when it was really hard to get to the truth. This guy had to acquire a copy of the Sapruder film when In Time Life got a hold of it, apparently right after the assassination. And they just kept it. They just kept it. They just kept it. And when you watch it, you realize why they kept it. Because you see his head go back into the left.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
And it looks like he does get shot in the neck from the front. He holds his fucking neck like this. He doesn't hold it backwards. No, no. He holds his neck like this. That's impact. That's where it hit him. And then his fucking head goes back into the left. And we're supposed to think that this fucking guy did all this from the school depository.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Maybe he did take a shot or two from the school book depository. I don't think he was innocent. I'm not of the camp like it's a binary thing. Lee Harvey Oswald was a patsy and the CIA killed him or Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. That's a stupid way to think. I think for sure they used him. They probably gave him a rifle. He might have been in that window. He might have just been in the building.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
He might have been in the area. Who knows? I think he probably did shoot that cop. Like when they were chasing after him, it seemed like he did kill that cop. I think he was an asset. But I also think there was a bunch of people shooting at the president. And if you look at that area, you've been to Dealey? You've been there, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's a weird street to drive down, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah, yeah. It's like, oh, shit. It's a lot smaller than I thought it was. It's tiny. It's really little. Yeah. Like when people say he couldn't have made those shots, like shut the fuck up. He's right there. He's right there. He's like right up. Like literally you look up and the building's right there. And he had a scope. At least he had a scope.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
That's what's crazy about the kid that tried to kill the president, tried to kill Trump. He didn't even, he had ironsides. Which is insane. But it's not if you just go in center mass. But this dude's doing it for a headshot, 140 yards. And he's probably never shot anybody before. He's a 20-year-old kid that they just somehow or another Operation MK Ultra mind-fucked him into shooting at him.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Or he's on some crazy medication. Or China. Or who knows? Who knows what they did? It's a chip in his head. Who knows? Who knows what the fuck happened? But...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Before that, before that. No, huh? Jolly West visits him in jail and he goes crazy. Jolly West, who was the head of MKUltra. Oh, yeah, yeah. Jolly West was the guy who got Charles Manson the acid, allegedly, from the book Chaos. He goes into it. Jolly West went to visit Lee Harvey Oswald, or excuse me, Jack Ruby.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
We have to understand that perspective because that was a big thing even when I was in high school.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
That feeling of the big bad bear coming after us got lifted with the fall of the Berlin Wall, with the fall of the Soviet Union. All that stuff went away. The fear. Yeah. When I was a kid, that fear was everywhere. I've talked to so many people that are my age or around my age that remember being a child and being worried about a war with nuclear bombs with Russia. It was constant.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
It was in the air. When Khrushchev banged his shoe on the table and said, we will bury you. I watched that video on YouTube just like a month ago and it's still scary. The two fucking banging his shoe. And when he said, we will bury you. Was that a direct quote or was that propaganda? Let me, that one feels fishy. I bet that's one where it's like a little bit more slippery than we will bury you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Because you know what I mean? Like when you're getting your translations.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
put that under a couple pints of vodka. Someone was saying this, but it's so true. There's nothing scarier than Russian Muslims. Like the fighters?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Russian Muslims are the fucking scariest fighters, dude. I think if there's like one group that I would categorize, like what's the scariest? It might be Russian Muslims. This is from the CIA's website. We will bury you threat widely attributed to Khrushchev in Western press was reported to have been made at a send-off reception to Poland's Gomułka in Moscow, November 1956.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
According to Time Magazine, Khrushchev was overheard to say at the final reception, for the polish leader if you don't like us don't accept our invitations and don't invite us to come to see you whether you like it or not history is on our side we will bury you so he said that to poland but that was a in a wasn't that in a police song or a sting song the russians love their children too
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Wasn't that? Scorpions? No, no, no, no, no, no. I think it was a Sting song. Really?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was a saying. Khrushchev said he will bury you. So it was probably some fake news, just like how they said about Trump saying very fine people on both sides.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
I think when people look back at history with these great moments of change, I mean, think about how people look back at the Reagan administration, like when Reagan got elected, what a landslide. They look back at those days. We look back at these historical moments, but I think this one is crazier than any of them. This guy gets kicked out. They try to put him in jail multiple times.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
He gets shot at. He says, fight, fight, fight. And then he wins. He wins in a landslide when they were all saying that it was a close race. And the whole thing is just wild to watch. It's like this is nuts. Like this show is nuts. If you're watching this show on TV, like these writers are fucking amazing. Whatever they're doing, like, keep doing this. This show's crazy. There's twists and turns.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
You got your crazy billionaire character who doesn't even seem real. Doesn't even seem real. This guy's making rockets and electric cars. There's no way. He buys Twitter because he wants to save free speech. What? It's insane. And the people that used to love him now hate him. The people that are driving their Teslas around, like, God damn it. They're angry, but they still have a lease, you know?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
You hate Elon. You hate X. And Don Lemon said, I'm leaving X. There's no good discussions to be had here.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Oh, you don't like criticism. You don't like criticism. If you want to get into this game, okay, you want to get into the online game, the online game's different. In the online game, you get judged by who you fucking actually are, dude. It's not about your producers and your teleprompter. Shut up. You're on your own. If people think you're stupid, you're going to hear it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
And it might be because you're stupid. It might be. Look, people say a lot of people are stupid that are not stupid. I've seen people say brilliant people. I've seen people say Elon Musk is stupid. I have seen that.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I've seen there's you're going to get it no matter what. You're going to get it. Everyone's going to get it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
You might be stupid. You might be stupid. You might have been protected from that stupid by these network shows. If you want to exist online and you don't like criticism on Twitter or you think there's disinformation on Twitter, community notes on Twitter is the greatest fucking thing that's ever been created.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Do people go to Threads? Nobody goes to Threads. But they were for a while. Are you crazy? Seriously? They were for a while. Yeah. It's not going to work, I don't think. No.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah. I like Zuckerberg a lot. Yeah? Yeah, I like him a lot. I think he's a weird guy, but you have to be a weird guy if you're a super genius, 100 billionaire who's into jujitsu. He's a weird guy, but he's cool. Is he? I like him. I've had fun with him. Yeah, we played a fencing game together with virtual goggles. What? It was fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
We both put on... He fences, so we both put on virtual goggles. You got on mine when he was in Hawaii or San Francisco? No, we did it in the same room. Oh, okay. It was fun. The new Oculus is fucking cool, and you've got to wonder where that's going to be, because... When I first tried the very first Oculus, it was kind of cool, but kind of crude in a way.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
And with each new version of it, you get like, it's much smaller now. It used to be we had a cable, and the cable was attached to the ceiling on a wire so that you can move back and forth with all these wires connected to you when you had the Oculus. So you had to be plugged into the computer, actually. But now you're not. Now it's just on your head.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
And now it's fucking resolution's pretty goddamn good. And it's weird. Like, you do things like you can go to a comedy club and you sit in the audience and there's all these other people in there and there's a comedian on stage. It's fucking strange.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
There's all these little online games you can play with other people, 3D shooters and shit, and you've got goggles on and you feel like you're in the game. It's real weird. And most people are kind of freaked out by it. So I don't think it's... Like, they went with that whole meta thing. They thought everybody was going to dive into the metaverse. But I think...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
There's this uncanny valley between like you put the goggles on and you're in the world and you kind of feel it. You feel uneasy. Like this is weird. This feels weird. VR feels strange. Like a lot of people make some dizzy. They want to take it off.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah, mine is too. But I think they're going to get to a point where it's not going to feel weird. There's some commercial applications. There's a company called Sandbox, and they have this fucking amazing game called Deadwood Mansion. And in Deadwood Mansion, you go into this warehouse space. They have one in Austin. They have one in Woodland Hills, where we used to go.
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It was right down the street from the studio. You put goggles on, and all of a sudden, you're in a mansion. You've got a shotgun, and zombies are running at you from everywhere. And boom, you're blowing their heads off. Seriously?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It's fucking amazing. Dude, no one in my family wants to play it anymore. Why is it too intense? I get very intense. Very intense when I'm killing zombies.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It's gross. I'm like, come on. Let's kill zombies. Like for Father's Day, I made them come kill zombies with me. I fucking love it. That was your Father's Day present? Yeah, yeah. Go kill zombies. Daddy wants to kill zombies with everybody. That's fucking awesome. It's fun. You got a shotgun, and they're running out, and you're blasting their heads off, and you get attacked from behind.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
That's fucking awesome. And you have a haptic feedback vest, and you see red when they're attacking you. You see splatters of red in front of your face when they're attacking you, and you're shooting them in the face.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
This is going to be fun. They're so slow. They're so slow. But these ones are pretty fast. The ones in this, some of them run at you. They run at you. Oh. Yeah. It makes it more fun. Remember that movie 28 Days Later where the zombies were running? Yeah, yeah. That's the scariest zombie movie. Yeah. Running zombies, that's the real zombie. The walking dead zombies, get the fuck out of here, bitch.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
They all walk a half a mile an hour. They just keep going.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I love them. I love the post-apocalypse. You know what I don't like? Daryl using field tips. So stupid.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
What the fuck are you talking about? This is the dumbest weapon ever.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah. That's what you want. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, like a Montech. One of those Montech carbon steels. Yeah. Send it. What was that one... The hide? Yeah, the hide. God, dude. Yeah, man. That did a lot of damage. I'm very impressed with that one. Because that one, I got the 125 grain one, which has the steel ferrule.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And it's got a two inch cut with the mechanical blade and a three quarter inch cut with the fixed. So it doesn't make a big hole opening going in.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
This is all technical talk, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, two and three quarters. It's a broadhead for archery. When it goes in, that's when the blades open. So the Rage, which I used to use, the T2 now, the Dudley version, that opens up on the way in. So it leaves a big hole all the way in. But this one opens up inside. So really, you're penetrating with the fixed head.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And then once you're passing in, the pressure is what makes the other two blades go. So it really makes a pretty small entry hole. But the exit hole is a crime scene. The exit hole was a crime scene because you're going out. with two and three quarter inches. And it's just pow, instant death for the animal. It's like super ethical.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I think when it comes to the amount of damage they can do, those mechanical, they put animals down so quick. So quick. There's something to be said for that giant cut that they make inside. It's just so different. Like Cam's, he's using a catapult. It's basically a catapult. That four blade carnivore thing.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Right. Which is another way of looking at it, right? If you're thinking about a cut, a cut that goes through the entire body is a very long cut and is always lethal if you get them in the vitals.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
But you don't get a blood trail and they don't die as quick. No. The dying is quick thing is the one in Tohon last year, that bull died in like less than 10 seconds. I mean, how many seconds was it?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It ran up to the top of the hill and just fell down. It was so quick.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
anything i've seen even shot with a rifle in the in the chest cavity right right so clearly differentiating between like yeah a headshot and a chest cavity i've never seen anything die that fast from an animal it was dead yeah i think there's something to be said for those giant holes because it's just if especially if you have a strong bow so if you have a bow that has a lot of kinetic energy and a lot of speed and you're shooting a heavy arrow and it's hitting that rib cage like
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
80 or 84? Yeah. The new bow's 84. Oh, the new Hoyt is so smooth.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I felt so special. I had one for a couple months, and I had to blur it out when I took pictures. I know. I had to blur it out.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Well, I used to think that when I saw Cam shoot his, I'm like, how can it be better? These are so good. How can they be better? And then you shoot the new one, and you're like, God damn it, it's better. It's super accurate, like so dead in the hand, like the way the shot breaks. It's just like they keep making it smoother, smoother draw cycle. It's faster.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah, I bumped it up because I went to those 125 grain heads, but my bow went from 80 pounds to 84 with the new one, and then it kind of made up the difference. So the 25 grains, and it was basically the same kind of speed as with the last one, which I had a 450 grain arrow. Okay. So this is like a, I think there's probably like a number you shouldn't go below. I don't know what that number is.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
But imagine trying to explain that to someone who didn't understand, like, what makes it gay. Like, at what point in time does, like, holding onto a hand, does it get... You know, like, there's, like, a meter. Like, you can kind of, like, hold onto a hot potato for a couple seconds, and then it'll burn your hand.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
You know, like grains. Like some people, they'll hunt elk with like a 300 grain arrow. And a lot of people are like, don't do that. Don't do that. You can get away with it. Because they're like, well, my daughter shot an elk and it was a pass through and she's got a 50 pound boat. Okay, she got lucky. She got lucky. You need some force to get in there.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
That's one of the things we were talking about in camp, that when you hear about Socrates and all these ancient cultures, the Spartans, all these people that had boys. Yes. And you see what's going on in Afghanistan and you realize how old a culture Afghanistan is. It's like one of the oldest civilizations in terms of like the way they behave.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Massive kinetic energy, especially if you have carbon arrows. I love those carbon arrows with the victories with the slick outside because you pull them out of target so much easier. Who's making those? The VAPs. Okay. What are they called? The TKOs?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah. Those are great. Their coating that they have on it is like, it's so easy to pull out. I got like a Teflon or some shit on them. Yeah, but you got to think that aids in penetration too. It has to, right? I mean, isn't that why guys like the thin diameter? Like Cam shoots those. I don't know if he's doing it now, but he was for a long time. He was shooting those four millimeter arrows. Right.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Those real skinny ones, but... The four mil. I like lighted Nox. And the four millimeter with the lighted Nox make me nervous. Why? Because Nox breaks sometimes. And they're more vulnerable because they got that little light inside of them instead of being a big solid piece of plastic. Right. You know? Like I always change them before hunts. I always put fresh ones on.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I never trust ones that have been sitting around. Never trust ones that I've shot already. I'll shoot them a bunch of times like for practice, but they break sometimes. And especially I'm not paying attention, so I might be accidentally touching arrows. I do the same thing.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah, that's why when guides get real nerdy about like what helix, like what kind of helical you have on the veins and like what kind of twist you put your veins and you have to have a single bevel blade that twists for the broadhead in the exact same direction. Don't get a right twist with left veins. Then you'll get all fucked up.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
But their idea is that you're trying to get the broadhead to spin through the animal. That's the whole idea behind the single bevel. Do you think that's true, though? There's something to it. Yeah. There's something to single bevels because of the cut, the way the edge is cut. So for people listening, single bevel means the edge angles in on one side.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Double bevel means it comes together as a point. So think of a blade, but a blade with only one side that you see where the steel is ground down to the edge. The other side doesn't have that.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
So the idea is that that creates this angle and that when you're spinning, your arrow is spinning because the helicals of your vein, it goes into the animal's body cavity and the bevel in the broadhead accentuates that spin. And it continues that spin through the body, causing like a whirlwind of trauma to the animal.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
inside the animal, and that it, you know, it almost affects, acts as multiple blades, because it's kind of spinning around. It's not just cutting a straight line, it's twisting. But the question is, like, how much twist, and is it more effective to have, like, a four-blade thing, like a four, like a tooth of the arrow, like one that you could, you know, those are... I don't think it's true.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It's almost like they never caught up with the Western world. I think it was Michael Shermer might have wrote a book, a paper about this. He wrote an article about how Islam's the only religion that didn't go through the enlightenment and that it essentially maintains the same values and the same cultural values as when it was created.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
You don't think the spin, the bevel spin? No, I don't think it does. I think it does a little, because there's a guy named Lusk Archery, and he does these tests on these things, and he actually shoots them into ballistic gel, and you can see them spin. So some of them do spin.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Well, that's the reason why a lot of people like mechanicals.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It's one of the things that they say is that the cut is so large when you get into the body cavity that you take out all the other variables, it's going to do so much more trauma than something that's just a slit blade that let's say you do hit that rib cage and it does slice and only hit one lung because it deflected off of it and it doesn't spin at all and now you lost the animal.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Whereas you get a mechanical, it goes in there, it creates this massive fucking hole. It does all this trauma going through two and three quarter inches of trauma going through the animal. The odds of that animal surviving are gone. If you get them in the body cavity, they're gone.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And I've seen people hit people with really good shots with small broadheads and not do much damage to the point where the animal runs off. They have a hard time blood trailing it. Even if the animal dies 30 minutes, 60 minutes later, you might have a hard time finding it, especially if you bumped it.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Well, he changed his thought about it too. He was always a fixed blade guy. Always.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And then who told him to do that? Oh, Wayne did from the bow rack.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah. Wayne said, you got to try these carnivores. So just trust me. Just try them. It's like, these things are crazy. It opens up these four blade catapults. It looks like one of those turkey broadheads. You know what I mean? That's what it looks like. It's crazy. And because of the design, it's just like the hides. It opens up from the front. Yeah.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
So once it's inside, then it's doing all its damage. So you don't have to worry about it getting destroyed going in through rib cages and stuff as much as you do with other things. Because it's really just going to get a little hole going in, and then once it's in, then it's opening. It's kind of a perfect idea.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
The only thing that people don't like, like Dudley doesn't like, it doesn't leave a big hole in the outside. I talked to Dudley about it. He's like, I want extreme trauma. I just want one big giant cut with all that energy. He's going through like a – think of it like sticking a samurai sword like through the animal's body. Right.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And, you know, obviously he's one of the best bow hunters on earth too. So like there's a bunch of different philosophies on it. But I think the idea of the mechanical blade is legit. And I like the hybrid idea the best because then you always have a fixed blade no matter what.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah, no, absolutely. I'm always fucking around with things. That's one of the cool things about archery is all the tinkering. Yeah. You know, there's like so many different things you could try. Like this year's the first time I tried a 15-inch front bar. You know, I went to a 15-inch front bar with a 12-inch back bar. Ooh, I like it so much better. Really?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah, because I was using that Quivalizer, and the problem is with wind, it's a sail. That sail just pushes your pin around too much.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Oh, yeah. I love that guy. Look, the Equivalizer, I used it for years. It's a great invention. But I find that with wind in particular, the balance that I would get from that Equivalizer, I'm using a cutter stabilizer with a 15-inch front bar and a 12-inch back bar. Right. And it's perfect. It holds so good. It holds so nice. It feels so dead on.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And this year I went with a 10 degree downward angle of the front bar.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I know, it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. But I was talking to these archers who do it and Levi Morgan does it. His goes at a downward angle too. And I was talking to this archer and he said it actually, for some reason, it helps you hold better. Like it locks in better. Really?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah, the slight downward thing with when you're pulling back, there's something about the slight downward angle of it that it lets you hold better with the same amount of weight.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
1500 years old, whatever it is. That's how people behaved back then. That's what it is. And when you think about like Alexander the Great, Alexander the Great who was gay, right, who conquered much of Afghanistan and giant swaths of the world. He probably like his army and his behavior and what he probably stained that area with like a type of behavior I Think you're 100% right.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Because it's going in a different direction than just straightforward. It doesn't totally make sense, but I really believe in it. Like when I started doing it, I was like, ooh, there's a little different feel to this. I love that. I love all the tinkering. I love the tinkering. That's my favorite thing. It's so much fun because it's like there's all these different ways to do it.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
You know, there's all these different releases. There's all these different styles of releases. There's so many different things you can fuck with. You could just go down a rabbit hole after rabbit hole. You know?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I got a box of them. I got a box of different releases. I've tried everything from four-finger releases to two-finger releases. What I really like is that one with the clicker, that Onyx with the clicker. It's got this little click, and then... I feel like I can shoot that as good as I can shoot a hinge. So you get the best of both worlds. You get the ability to make it go off if you have to.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
If there's some weird situation where you have literally a split second to make a very close shot, you can get away with that. Or you could shoot at a long distance target and feel just as comfortable as you do with a hinge. You know, because there's something about having that little click and that on X clicker.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Like once you feel that little click, you know it's about to go off and you just pull through it.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I just want it to go off. I just want it to go off. It does fuck with your head. But one thing it does is it puts all your concentration in the shot process instead of like hammering the trigger. You hear that click. It's right there. You just pull through it. And it's such a delicate little click that once you get it in your head and you shoot with it a bunch of times, you welcome it.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah, and then the click is like, settle in, we're right there. It's like that one extra step that gives you this one extra little piece of concentration. Joel Turner talks about it in that whole Shot IQ process, and he developed it. He developed the Onyx Clicker. Oh, he developed that? He developed it, yes. Oh, shit, okay, cool.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
So that one little thing, that one little click is what separates it from a regular trigger, and then blah-bow! And then you get all your thought process into the shot process and just making sure you do a good shot. Huh. Yeah. Okay. All right. I've used it. It's a thing you got to get used to like everything else. But then you talk to Cam Haines, he just fucking hammers that trigger. I know.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
He shoots everything. So it's like some people can't do it that way. It's weird. Everybody's got a different way they like to do it.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
But I think it's a mind fuck that a lot of people put their head into that you're going to get target panic and that you can't control your emotions during a shot process to the point where you could command trigger. But that doesn't make any sense to me. No. It doesn't make any sense from like – I can understand the psychological aspect of target panic.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
But I have a feeling that it comes from two different things. It comes from buck fever, which is like you're freaking out. You never shot a buck this big before. Oh, my God. He's right there. And you're like, ah! And you freak out. That's normal. But that's an experience thing. And you have to learn what that is.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And if you do it a bunch of times, then you get to the point where like, oh, I know how to control myself. I know what this is. And the more often you do it – like if you can go on a couple of pig hunts and then go on an elk hunt – You're way more in the groove. You're like right there. You know what to do. You know how to do it. And you could touch the trigger off 100%.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Cam does it every goddamn time. I think it comes from the target archery community because I think those guys are staring at these fucking little tiny X's from 20 yards and they got to shoot 30 of them in a row.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And I think you get mind fucked. And that's why those guys have hinges and all these crazy 40-inch fucking stabilizers and Vs that come out the back. And it's all about not moving. Plop, plop. But that's not bow hunting. And we were talking about this, that I think the difference between bow hunting and target archery is like the difference between doing free throws and playing basketball.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Free throws. Nobody's fucking with you. You're on the line. You can measure it. You can sit there and you can throw it.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Basketball, you're running around. Different sport, same sub-skill set.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Hunting is basketball. Target archery is free throws. That's what I think. Yeah. That's what I think. And I think you can't tell a guy like Cam Haynes is doing it the wrong way. If the best guy does it that way, you have to go, okay, why do we think you can't do it that way? Well, it's psychological. It's all psychological. It's all panic. It's all not being able to control your nerves.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
If you can shoot perfectly that way at a target, you should be able to shoot perfectly at an animal. You should be able to. The animal isn't like some fucking invulnerable thing that you have to do it a certain way or the frequency is not correct. No, it's an animal.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yes, yeah. Yeah, just because you shoot accurate at a stationary target doesn't mean you understand how to... The freakout.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And you're like, could you imagine if you came over from Europe and there was no elk over there and you were camping in the woods? You were one of those first guys, your stupid fucking burlap tent. And you hear...
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Depends on the size of the bear. Depends on what kind of bear we're talking about.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
That's 880 pounds 770 pounds dressed see in New Jersey in New Jersey East Coast How is that possible? They have the most They have the most black bears per capita in the whole country. I We've played a hundred times the video of the Bears wrestling in the middle of a neighborhood in Far Rockaway. Big fucking black bears. Just going to war in the middle of the street.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Oh, in a cage? Oh, no. I thought it was just running around.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
levels of discipline and hard work in the world. If you want to be a logger, there's no easy logger job. They don't exist. That is a hard fucking job. Those are hard men. You want to be a logger and you're going to do it for 30 years? You're going to chop and carry trees for 30 fucking years? You're going to be living in the woods, chopping and carrying trees for 30 fucking years.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I mean, you think about the different groups of people that live these extreme lives and how many people are at the coffee shop with blue hair that are totally oblivious. And they think hard work is like, you know, I'm dealing with my trauma and I'm going to Starbucks today to protest.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It is a guy with a log on his back, and he's 75 years old, and he can't wait to get off work so he can kill cougars with a pistol.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Well, there's probably a lot of those guys back in the day. I bet that was a common type of human in like 1820. Yeah. But you ran it all... That was like how you had to stay alive. You know, you lived to be about 40, then you had a stroke. Everybody died. Nobody got any vitamins. Eating fucking cornmeal and gruel and trying to eat squirrels. You just fucking...
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah. That's what's crazy. Apparently, they thought it tasted like beef. They cooked a lot of bears. God. Sorry. Some of them are gross. The grizzlies, apparently, are super gross. Cam just released a new video, Redemption, a grizzly bear hunt. Yeah, yeah, I saw it. And it's good. Great video. But he ate the bear. I was like, how did it taste? He's like, it was okay. And then I talked to James.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
But black bear doesn't taste that bad if you get it from a good spot. Apparently, like Ranella says, the blueberries, bears that have been eating blueberries are the best tasting meat ever.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
So they're saying... No, he says it's like a great tasting meat, period.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
You don't think if it was like flavored with like all they ate was blueberries? I think the problem is they eat so much rotten shit.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And that affects the way they taste. But I think if they're eating only blueberries, like did you ever see his video? With the blueberry fat? Yeah, yeah. It's like purple fat. It's crazy. He said that's delicious. He said it's so delicious. I believe him. I love Steve. You think he's a fucking liar.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I only shot one moose ever, and I ate it, and I remember it was good. But that was with Ben O'Brien like 10 years ago. But I haven't had a lot of experience with it. For me, it's axis deer and elk are the two best ones. Elk first, axis deer second.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah. It's an interesting flavor. And the fact that they have so many of them in Hawaii, like that Maui Nui venison company, for people who want to buy wild game- You can get actual wild game from Maui Nui Venison. They'll ship you axis deer. Frozen. They have meat sticks. It's fucking great. I'm not affiliated with them. I know the owners, but I don't have anything to do with them.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
But it's a great company. And they're doing something that you actually have to do. There's no natural predators on Maui. So they have to shoot these axis deer. They're fucking everywhere.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And they're a delicious rodent. It's a crazy animal to hunt, too, because they grew up with tigers. So they evolved with tigers. So they move so fucking fast. They're the fastest animal I've ever hunted.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And that's the only way. We stopped hunting them in the day. Yeah. Because in the morning, there's no wind. We started hunting them only in the afternoon because there's more wind, and the wind at least covers a little bit of it. But Dudley got video of me shooting this Saxus deer at 80 yards, and it's a perfect shot. Perfect. It's going right to the vitals at 80 yards. Perfect break.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And then 10 yards, the arrow's 10 yards from me. He goes, and he's gone. Within 10 yards, he was gone. He was nowhere near where the arrow hit. What? 10 yards? He heard the arrow coming, and he moved out of the way. 10 yards from him. There's a video of it, a slow-mo video. because it's a lighted knock. You see a perfect line headed straight for his vitals and then gone. Gone. Not even close.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Not even close. Like a bullet. I missed him by like a whole quarter. He was gone. He just ran away. They hear things. They think a tiger's coming. They just go. They just go. It just makes you feel so slow. When you watch how they move, you're like, people suck. We're so fucking clumsy and soft, and we're so vulnerable. My back hurts. Ah.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Especially if they see the bow go off or they hear the bow go off. They're gone. And they're delicious. And they're everywhere in Texas, too. That's the wild thing about Texas. You could just bring whatever you want in. You want zebras? You could bring zebras. You had zebras? I know I did. You could have fucking zebras. My wife saw a zebra one day when she was driving the kids to school. I know.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Dude, I saw a zebra. I think I saw a zebra. I said, you probably did. Some asshole probably has a zebra. The zebra got out.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
You could have zebras in Texas. But I love it. I love it that you can go to like when we went to that place down in South Texas, that ranch that my friend owns. We went down there like there's African animals here. Yeah. These crazy black bucks and all these different animals are not from anywhere near here. And there's thousands of them. Like, this is nuts.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It's really good. It's all really good. All wild game from a healthy animal is delicious, I find. At least undulates. They're all delicious. I've never found one that I didn't like. But I still think elk is the best. That's just my... I like the flavor.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
also i like elk hunting so much it means more to me when i'm eating a piece of elk i think i'm just biased i think if there's anything it's i just like eating them i like eating them and i also think it's gonna sound crazy but i think you get their spirit i think there's something about these super potent wild animals that you kill with an arrow and then you're eating it like you get the the spirit of that experience the spirit of that animal
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I think it empowers you in some very strange physiological way. I really do. I think they're so vitamin rich. They're such athletes. The way they run up a mountain. You're getting these nutrients from that animal that I don't think is like any other animal. Because they're so much stronger than all those other animals. They just run. They have 900 pounds.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
They run right up the top of a mountainside like it's nothing. You're like, this is crazy. You watch them when they get winded and they fucking run over the top of a hill that takes you 40 minutes to crawl up. They just run up it. When you eat that thing, you're like, rawr. You just feel it. You feel it and your body feels it. You get like a little boost.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah. And they go, dude, I feel so good after I ate this. Yeah, there's something to that. It's superfood.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Right. Like a good meal with people you love, I feel like almost gives you extra nutrients.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
almost like there's an extra good feeling about it. It's why people like eating together, you know, eating good food that people care about, having fun. The whole experience is better for your overall being.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
The other is an elk that you cooked on your own grill. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there's a big difference, man. Yeah, it's – I'm glad I found it. I'll tell you that. It's also – it's so hard to do. You know, we both had our trials and tribulations elk bow hunting, and it's just – it's so difficult to do that the people that do it well, the people that are successful, you know how hard it is to do.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
You're like, God damn, you pulled it off. Like that's a – Hunting elk with a bow in the wild is a real thing. Even the places we go are better. They have more elk and stuff. It's always hard, folks. It's hard. It's always. The problem with the public land thing is the public. I have so many friends that have terrible stories about guys winding elk on purpose, blowing elk out.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
They're all competing against the same packs of elk or the same groups of hunters are competing against the same elk groups. It's crazy. Yeah. Like you these these herds of animals are getting like winded on two and three sides because people like moving in trying to get them. Right. You know, it's just the the ideal situation would be that.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I think the ideal situation would be... You know they're trying to do that American... What is it called? The American Serengeti Project? They're trying to rewild a whole section of the country. They're buying up land and they want to bring back buffalo and bring back all these animals. If everybody at one time in their life...
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
could have some sort of a hunt where someone shows them how to do it, someone takes them out, they get an animal, and they cook and eat that animal. If you're a meat eater, I think at one time in your life you should try to do that. I think that may be the solution for people to understand what it's all about. Just one time in your life, or even go with someone when they're doing it.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
One time, just know what that's like because it ignites a little part of your DNA that you didn't even know was in there. There's like a little part of us that for tens of thousands of years, the only way we survived is hunting. Yeah. Thousands and thousands and thousands of years just baked into our DNA.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And when you're in there and you're in those woods and you got that range finder and that elk is 52 yards away and you see him walking through the bushes and you know you got a window. And it's like a part of your DNA that just goes, yeah, this is what we're doing.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
There's like some crazy like ancient primal code. And I tell people it's the same thing when you catch a fish. When you catch a fish, it's like, oh, oh, oh. This excitement when you catch a fish, that's built into your code because now you're going to live. You're going to live. You've got food for your family. It's in there, a human reward system. And that's how we're supposed to get food.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
We're supposed to appreciate the food because it's hard to get. That's what it's supposed to be. It's not supposed to be go to the supermarket and look at the ground beef. It's $5 a pound and fucking – You never chase anything. You never go kill anything. You're just sitting there eating your fucking bowl of pasta, watching TV.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
If it is, you're going to get anxiety. You're not designed for that. You're designed for trauma and testing. You're designed for struggle. You're designed to overcome things. And if you're not ever overcoming anything, you're filled with anxiety.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I just paid for it. Which is weird, right doing some weird job, and then you get these hit men out there whacking cows Supermarket hit that's like the best that is one of the best quotes.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I've got it is I mean there's anything that's there's nothing grosser in this country than factory farming It's the grossest thing ever they have laws where you're not even allowed to film it because it's so gross no, it's Ag laws where you go to jail if you filmed horrific acts of
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But I'm not there, Evan. I'm at Starbucks protesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I don't know how this McGriddle got in my hand, but now I'm putting it in my mouth.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Right. It's also one of those things that, like, if you haven't experienced it, you really don't understand it. And when you're trying to explain it to people, they're looking at it from, like, the cartoon Disney version of Hunters and the movie version of Hunters where they're all cocksuckers. Dude, we should wrap this up because we've got to go meet Cam for dinner. It's almost 6 o'clock.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah, I'm really hoping – we've talked about this a bunch of times in this podcast, but I'm really hoping that something's going to change with RFK and about psychedelics and veterans. I really, really am hoping that they open their eyes to this stuff.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Did he have to get off them before he went there and did it?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And that one doesn't make any sense. Out of all the ones, that's one that... Mushrooms you can do recreationally. No one's doing recreational Ibogaine. I've never done it before. Have you done it? No. I've never done it, but everybody that I've talked to... They said it is one of the most ruthlessly introspective journeys in your life. It's not fun at all.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Dakota Meyer told me, he's like, I fucking hated it. I couldn't believe someone made me do it. After it was over, I was like, what the fuck am I doing? It's not a fun time. It's not a recreational drug. It's not a drug of addiction. It's not a drug of dying. Let's find out what the LD50 rate is for Ibogaine. It's probably bananas. It's probably just like psilocybin.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Probably can't really overdose on it. No. I don't know that.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It'll never go away and What about Iraq that was much different than Afghanistan that changed you um?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
That's great advice. I know. That's great advice across the board.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And you tell me, you literally didn't shit anything but diarrhea for, you said more than a year.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
That's so real. So real. That's so real. That's so real. It was everything.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
You know, great quotes and great feats and fascinating people. You want to absorb some of that psychology. That is such a great quote, though, because it's so true. If you're around someone that's freaking out, you're trying to keep your shit together. It's so hard to keep your shit together. You can't. Right.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
First of all, I never understood the extent of the man fuckery in Afghanistan.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It seems like it's impossible not to once you're going back on it. How could you not? And the overwhelming negative experiences, the overwhelming horrific experiences.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Imagine no consequences for lying about weapons of mass destruction. And has there ever been a large scale investigation as to what led them to either believe or to push the narrative that there was weapons of mass destruction?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Did you ever see that speech with Mike Pence and Tucker Carlson?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
When we were talking, remember we were hanging out in front of the trucks and you were telling me about mumbles?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Tucker Carlson essentially ended Mike Pence's political career. Really? In one speech, yeah. Because this was when Pence was running for president. And Tucker was sitting there with him, and Pence was talking about getting helicopters and tanks and weapons to Ukraine. And he was explaining how they were being incompetent because they weren't providing them with what they needed.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And Tucker went on this rant. See if you can find it. I bet you could find it under that. Here it is. Listen to this.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Let me hear what he says. Just start right where your cursor is. Click where your cursor is.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Just that. That's not my concern. That's not my concern. What the fuck are you talking about? How would you ever answer anything that way? That is not my concern. That's not your concern. You don't think he just made a really good point that we're really confused? First of all, aren't we like a trillion dollars in debt? No, we're $35.5 trillion in debt.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
How do we have the money to send to Iraq and we don't have the money to fix our cities? And how can you say that's not my concern? What that is is the opposite of what Trump is. That is nonsense talk. Not that he doesn't have nonsense talk, but that is not a person's real feelings. That is just political speech.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
That's just, we're going to clean up our country, we're going to preserve the right to life.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
He's a weird dude. He's weird. They kept trying to say J.D. 's weird. J.D. 's not weird at all. I met that guy. He's fucking cool. He's normal. Smart as shit. I could hang with that guy. He could be my friend. He's not even a little weird. No, that guy's weird. I mean, I guess anybody who's that smart is weird. You know, people that go to Yale. He's weird in that way. Like, that's an odd dude.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Well, I also think that if you're that ambition, you have ambition at that level and you are so driven to become the alpha that you want to be the president. The amount of work that's involved in that doesn't leave a whole lot of room for reading.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It doesn't leave a whole lot of room for watching documentaries and having important in-depth conversations with people, expanding your understanding of the world. It's very narrow. They're basically actors. Most of these people exhibit a lot of the traits that I see in actors. This desire to morph oneself to please the people around you.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
the saying the things that you think people want to hear because you want to get ahead. It's all very similar. They're actors. And the fact that these actors can rise to a position where they can actually dictate what these military veterans do and don't do when they have no knowledge or experience in this. The fact that that's a real thing is fucking crazy. It's really crazy.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
They will not be making decisions for me Yeah, I don't I don't think we can recall a time in our history where we did trust the government Which is such a weird thing to say. You know, I used to think it was the Obama administration. But boy, Obama during this Kamala Harris administration, it changed my opinion of that guy. Really? Did you have a high opinion of him before? Yeah, I did.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah, I did just as an intelligent person, a statesman. I felt like he's probably like caught up in the system. It's very difficult to make real meaningful change. You know, you think you're going to do something and then you get into office and you're like, oh God, what a fucking quagmire this place is.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
But watching him just straight up lie about Trump, the thing that got me was that very fine people thing, the white supremacist thing. They just kept trying to say that he was a racist. Right. which is this thing that I think worked in like 2017. I think it worked back then. I don't think it works anymore. I don't think people believe it anymore. I think that we've gotten numb to all this stuff.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Only when prompted. Yeah. Only when prompted. Yeah. You know what one of my fucking favorite things of this whole election cycle has been? Yesterday. When Biden and Trump sat down in the White House, Biden voted for Trump. I guarantee it. I fucking guarantee it. I never saw that dude so happy in his fucking life. He lost. His party lost. He was happy.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
There's a few conversations I've had with friends that for the rest of my life, now things are different. Like now I look at that one conversation, that one hour conversation we had, like, okay, the world's different now.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
When Obama had to shake hands with Trump and do the whole transition thing, Obama looked like, Jesus Christ. Look at Biden.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Look at his fucking smile, man. That's like when your kid gets married. That dude looks like a hairless cat. Look at him. It's crazy. First of all, what have they done to him?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Go back to the other picture because it was more high res. Well look at his mug man first of all it for sure he's got something going on with his forehead They both talks to shit. I was for it. They gave him a facelift for sure It was a bunch of different things they did which very ill-advised by the way folks look at Trump He looks like shit.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
No one cares everyone loves him Do you don't you don't look better if you get your face pulled back like a lizard? You just more look more like a lizard everything sure a lizard already, but look at that smile That motherfucker's never been happier in his life. In his life. He's like, that bitch. She went down. You can't tell me he wasn't happy. Like, when he put that MAGA hat on.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
You ever see that? Oh, yeah, yeah. He put the MAGA hat on. And he took it with him on the plane. I guarantee you, I guarantee you that motherfucker was happy. He had a giant smile on his face. He said, welcome back to him. I thought it was Hitler. I thought he was dangerous.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
This was the guy that you said was sharp as a tack. He was going to be up until four months ago. Four months ago, that guy was going to be running again. And now here he is, smiling like a Cheshire cat.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
He might be. There was that one fake Biden. Did you ever see the fake Biden? Yeah, yeah. The tall guy?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
no sense they're gonna smoke that one by us like it's like dude this guy's like you know six seven could be playing in the nba he was so much taller they showed jill and him together jill's like what happened that's a different human being totally it's so nuts man it's so nuts all the different things that happened during this election are wilder than anything you've ever seen in a fucking movie
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I think that's what it is. Well, I think that's also why politicians are... some of them at least, are terrified of podcasts. Yeah. Because you do have to talk about them. But that's what makes guys like J.D. and guys like Trump unique in that they will just sit and talk with anybody. I mean, he sat with Theo Vaughn. Theo talked to him about doing coke. That's awesome.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It was so funny. Theo's amazing. It was amazing. Theo has an ability to be himself no matter who he's talking to. And him talking to Trump about how he used to love to do coke. Yeah.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Sitting there like this poor guy. Like, you see Theo falling apart in front of you, like, Jesus Christ, I thought I was running for president here. I think I might have to help this young fella. Who do I need to talk to about this? But, like, you know, Kamala didn't have the ability to do that. Or if she did, nobody brought it out of her. I was hoping I could. I really was.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I was hoping I could have a conversation with her. There's all this talk now that the reason why she didn't do it is because of... progressive people in our party, the pushback, which might have some truth to it, but for the record, they offered me two very specific days in different places in the country to travel and then go do it and do it for an hour, and I said I didn't want to do that.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And especially after Trump had done it. Here, in three hours, I'm like, this is the only way to do it. And Elon said it best. He said, he goes, you can kind of bullshit someone for an hour. He goes, hour two and hour three. Like, that's when the real you comes out.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
How much are you bullshitting the world, right? Yeah, yeah. The quote about Trump or the narrative about Trump has always been that he's bullshitting everybody, that he's a con man. Right. He's definitely very persuasive. Scott Adams has wrote about this pretty much in depth, about how well Trump practices the art of persuasion, the art of the deal.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
He's great at making people his friend and making relationships, and if you're his enemy, fuck you, scorched earth. And there's fear of that. You don't want to get on his bad side. There's this art of how he negotiates and has gone through this years and years and years of business. Yeah. But that's him. The guy's right there. You could talk to him about everything and anything. He's right there.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
He's not protecting any of his ideas. He called a girl he allegedly slept with horse face when he was the president on Twitter.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It's the wildest shit. So you're getting what you get. That's who the guy is. I like him. I've grown to like him. I had a much more negative opinion of him back in the day because it was – There's only so much you can pay attention to and do deep dives on before you lose your fucking mind. And with him, I was always like, oh, that guy, the grab him by the pussy guy.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It's probably not good for the country. That seems crazy. But as time went on, I was like, oh, you need a guy that is completely crazy to expose how corrupt the whole system is. and how they all collude together, and how they all say this. There's all these montages of clips of news organizations saying the same narrative outright, over and over, verbatim, word by word.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
They're getting fed this by someone, some entity, somehow or another they're collaborating. And they're all choosing this very specific narrative, and they're running with it, and they're trying to destroy people with it. And I saw them do it with me. I saw them do it with me during the COVID thing. And it was all motivated by the pharmaceutical drug companies and the profits.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And they were terrified that someone's going to come along and somehow or another put a notch in this little thing that they've created, which is a devious little thing that they've done, where they eliminated all sorts of other remedies. They cut out all these generic drugs that possibly could have been used to help people. They denied people the use of monoclonal antibodies.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
They pushed the fucking shit out of this one thing so they could make money off of it. And they did it in collusion with the media. No one acted like a journalist. No one looked at the excess deaths. No one looked at the instances of myocarditis in young people. No one looked at any of that. There was no journalism. It just showed everyone that the whole system is bought and paid for.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It's all corrupt. And the only way... you could find out who a person really is is to listen to them talk for long periods of time. It's the only truth serum we have left. And even that's not 100% effective, but it's pretty good. Your brain knows bullshit. You ever met some guy... And he's dating this girl that you know, and there's just something about the guy. He's shaking my hand.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
He's being nice to me. And I'm like, I don't trust this motherfucker. Something's gross about this guy. And then you find out he's a piece of shit. But it's always this thing. You feel something. If you talk to someone long enough, there's patterns in the way they talk, the way they think.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
The way they consider things, whether or not they can admit that they're wrong or whether or not they can tell you why they changed their mind. How did they form their narratives? What bad paths were they on and what personal correction did they make and how long did it take before you got to a better place? You learn about people when you hear them talk for long periods of time.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
You can't fake personal growth. You can't fake stuff you've learned. You can't fake flaws that you're willing to expose to people so that they could perhaps see them in themselves. You can't fake that. And all those people like Mike Pence, he's got zero of that. You can't sit that guy down and have a conversation, a real conversation with him.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
He was good friends with Bruce and with my friend Kevin.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
They're stupid. That is the best thing that I took out of moving to Texas, from moving to L.A. I have way less of those conversations. I have almost none of them here. My conversations here are with normal people. They're normal. So many people are infected by the rhythm of Hollywood, which is just about people trying to become successful.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And the way you become successful in Hollywood is you get chosen because you have to go on auditions. That's the primary, right? The number one top of the food chain, well, I guess Rockstar. Rockstar and movie star are number one and number two. Maybe interchangeable. Maybe they're the same. If it's a 10, like biggest stars in the world, it's movie stars and rock stars. And movie stars...
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Everything you do is about your relationships with people and whether or not people think you align with them politically and whether or not you support the right causes. You wear the bow tie at the Oscars. You act proper. You do all the things that you're supposed to do. And if you do all the things you're supposed to do, then you get into the club.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And if you don't do all the things you're going to do, then they're not going to use you. They're going to use Daniel Craig. They're going to use this guy. They're going to use that guy. They're going to use Dave Bautista. They're going to use The Rock. There's so many guys that want these roles, and there's only so many good roles, especially if you're going to be a male movie star.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
So no one can color outside the lines. And Dennis Quaid is one of the rare few male movie stars. who just fucking completely gave up. He's like, I support Trump. I'm a Christian. I sing gospel music. Like, fuck you. I quit. And he did this Reagan movie. It was a Reagan movie. It's about a 1980s president.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
They wouldn't let him advertise on certain social media networks because they said it was during the time of the election and it could affect the election. What was it? Was it Facebook? That's insane. Was it YouTube or Facebook? One of the social media outlets kept him from advertising this movie, which is a great movie, about Reagan, where he plays Reagan. He does a fucking amazing job.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It has nothing to do with today. It's about a guy who's dead. He's dead.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
He was dead his last year in office. He was at fucking full on Alzheimer's.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
My good friend Collins, Coleon Noir, his fucking show, he can't get it to grow. He can't get his Instagram to grow. He's like completely stifled.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah, you acknowledged it. Look at this. He expressed belief that Facebook labeled the content as an attempt to sway an election. What? Thank you, Facebook.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Did I ever tell you the time that I was having a conversation with a Facebook YouTube executive and my wife had to grab my leg under the table and stop me? Seriously? In Hawaii. Okay. So I'm with a friend. And my friend was an executive at Google. Very nice person. Great person. No problems with them. We're all having a good time. We're sitting down drinking and talking. And I got a couple in me.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Okay. This lady who's a big wig at YouTube sits down across from me and we start talking. And I said, so we get into this conversation. It's a very friendly conversation. Nothing problematic at all. I don't think she even knows who I am. And this is a long time ago. So this is like- 2015, 14? So my podcast is not that big. It's not that big at all. I can tell you exactly when it was.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
When did Sam Harris and Douglas Murray have a conversation? When did The Strange Death of Europe come out? Tell me about that. That's Douglas Murray's amazing book that has been proved now to be absolutely accurate in his assessment of what was going to happen to Europe with Muslim integration. Essentially, the guy nailed it, and him and Sam Harris.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Okay, so you have two public intellectuals who are having a conversation about cultures and about the – what is different about these Islamic cultures and their desire to impose Sharia law, like at least in certain areas. So they're having this conversation. And it gets labeled as, it gets flagged off this guy's account.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
So I find out about this video because this guy has an account, and I don't remember where he posted it, maybe Twitter, but he said, I got flagged on YouTube for having this in my playlist as something that I watch, like not even something he hosts on his channel. So I asked the lady, I said, why would someone get flagged for a conversation? She goes, it was hate speech. Just like that.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Just like that. It was hate speech. I go, do you remember the conversation? Because I watched the conversation. I don't think it was hate speech at all. It was definitely hate speech. But it's between two public, and then my wife just clamps down on my neck. Because she sees I'm fucking, I'm rabid.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Now I'm like, it's two public intellectuals having a conversation about a real thing that's happening in the world. And there's no hate speech in that. There's no slurs. There's no degrading of people, generalization of people. There's no racism. They're talking about real cultural differences and how they're going to affect Europe. And this fucking lady just, it's hate speech.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
The arrogance of the way she said it to me, and she was a big executive.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I was just boiling. I was boiling. And thank God my wife grabbed my leg. She fuckered. She grabbed the shit out of my leg because I was ready to go because the lady was going to engage with me. And I was like, okay, this is a podcast. No, you're fucked. You're fucked. You're fucked. You're just lucky there's no cameras here. What you're saying is absolutely crazy.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Like, who are you to make that distinction? And do you have any idea how that affects us culturally? When a person like yourself who lives in this fucking...
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
san francisco this whole bizarre tech cult bubble that's what you live in yeah and you you want to impose this crazy leftist perspective on everyone in the world to the point where you're not even allowing two world-renowned public intellectuals have a public discussion about this in front of an audience dude i i would deal with that all the time where people i would talk about
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And these are the reasons why and people didn't even want to have a conversation with oh, you're racist But this is what's crazy You have to be able to have those conversations even if that person's lot wrong like if someone wants to get on YouTube and tell The world why Sharia law is better.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I think they should be able to do that I let them do it and let someone counter it and let them have debates and Sam Harris has had a bunch of debates like that. Mm-hmm there you can watch them online They're amazing let people figure out who they agree with.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And if you just shut down discourse and say that it's hate speech, and you're defining hate speech as no slurs, there's no like, we got to kill all these people. There's none of that. There's no hate in this conversation. You're saying hate speech is disagreeing with a narrative that all leftists must ascribe to regardless of any objective assessment of the facts. And you just
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Sitting down and looking at it and go you know I don't think I agree with this aspect of it like I think that like Telling women and they have to wear a job everywhere. There's a that's you're not giving them the choice You're not giving someone choices just fundamentally bad for the race for humans. It's oppression it's
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Picturing you with a hijab and a belt-fed machine gun under your dress is fucking hilarious.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Did you have a thing where you could pop it up, like a Loki jacket?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Oh, my God. I saw her nostrils. I saw her ankles. This bitch is wild. God. Isn't it wild, though, that that religion, the absolute most suppressed religion, suppressive religion when it comes to women and gays, are the ones that the progressives are so vehemently defending? That's the one they defend over all religions. A leftist will accuse you readily and quickly of being Islamophobic.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It's a great thing to shut you down. It's a great pejorative. But no one ever accuses you of being an anti-Christian. No one. It never comes up. No one. There's not even a word, right? You can have Islamophobic. Is there a Christianophobic? I've never heard it. What is a word, like a disparaging word for someone who is prejudiced against Christians? Does it exist?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah, yeah. You know, it's like a racist term for white people. Cracker. It doesn't work.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
So they're just like getting in days for the ledger. That's all they're doing.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
So they would just send people to you just to, you were supposed to protect these people?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Why do we want to believe in a Jason Bourne? People love that narrative.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
They love that narrative. Some super spy 007 dude that can fuck everybody up.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
There's a guy with glasses and a hat on watching you run around the track. I think we found our man.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Well, what's wild to me is the spies that infiltrate terrorist organizations. Like, there's people that are in the IDF that have infiltrated Hamas. They live with them. Lots. They're in there. Lots. Isn't that crazy?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
That life? Oh. That life is nuts, man. Worried you're going to be found out, and these guys knowing, Hamas knowing that a certain percentage of these people have to be Israelis? Yeah. Well, that is so crazy that they do that.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
So he starts a life as a double life, in fact. Becomes a professor while he's in the agency. Correct. Wow. So from the jump, he's got a double life. It's not like he gets recruited. He's some Nobel Prize winner and they say, we need you to be for America. Yeah.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Thinking about gunning dudes down. Okay. And then plus the five. Yeah. Who here can answer this?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And he's still, I mean. So I guess with a guy like that, if you can find a guy who's willing to wear era equivalent clothing, would you say an era correct clothing, and make his way through a trek that was most likely going to kill people in the 1800s? You know who did something like that? He didn't do the whole thing, but Rinella, the way I met him was he had a show before Meat Eater.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It was called The Wild Within, and I got really addicted to it. Seriously? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to love, way before I ever went hunting, I used to love watching hunting shows. I used to watch Ted Nugent's Spirit of the Wild. My wife was always like, what the fuck are you watching? But I was always obsessed with hunting shows and wilderness shows, people in the wilderness.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Because every time I'm in the woods, I feel like there's a vitamin. I'm like, oh, I'm getting this vitamin. So I wanted to experience more of that in my life, so I was watching it on TV. So there was this show called The Wild Within. Yeah. And what Ranella did was he like I think he used like error correct weapons, too.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I think he used like a musket and he shot a bison and he turned the bison into like I think it was a bison, whatever the animal was. He turned it into a boat. He made a boat out of it and drifted down this river. He did like all these things that these pioneers did back in the day when they were making their way across the country. That sounds awesome. It was pretty dope.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
That's how I got to meet him. That's how I got him on my podcast. Before Meat Eater was ever a show.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah. He was super dismissive of podcasts. Now he's got one. I feel like there's a lot. He was like, what am I doing here? I'm in this comedy club with this fucking dude who's smoking weed. Like, this is ridiculous.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
But now he's got a great podcast of his own. I love that guy to death. Oh, he's awesome. He's such a smart dude, too. He knows so many things. He's a fascinating guy to talk to because he's super well-read. And he can talk to you about all kinds of shit that you would not expect from a guy who's a professional hunter. He talks like a PhD, but also like a hunter.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
very unusual dude and like one of the very best guys to explain hunting like i saw a debate that he had it was like a i think it was a book that he had released and he was doing one of those talks they do at bookstores and this guy was a vegan and the guy in the audience was a vegan the guy got upset with him and the ranella handled it so perfectly just the way he communicated with the guy and explaining his perspective and you have a different perspective and i'd love to have a conversation with you
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Is it just Thursday, or is it... That's just a thing to say. It's just a thing, yeah, yeah. But it's just they fuck each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they like it. And so there's the kid with the blue eyes, and after a while you're like, hey... they don't really want to camp with him. They're trying to fuck this guy. And then you start thinking like, Hey, how much of this is going on?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
But Ronell is like the perfect answer to people that objectively, they look at it, they go, wait a minute, I do eat meat. Like, I am a hypocrite. I am hiring a supermarket hitman. Like, why am I upset at this man who not only hunts his meat, but cooks it and writes cookbooks and cooks it on television. And like, this is the same thing. Like, what are we doing here? This is so stupid. Yeah.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And then you've got the people that really believe that you shouldn't eat anything but plants. And my problem with that is I think plants are smart. I think they just move real slow, and I think they have a way of interacting that is noticeable and measurable. I think there's probably a consciousness to plants.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I think life eats life, and I think that's the only way it survives, and I think that's just the way it goes. That is just the way it goes. And you can choose to just eat plants, but I don't think you're going to be as healthy. I think it's too hard. I think people can kind of survive on vegan diets and do well on vegan diets. There's athletes that are on vegan diets.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I don't think they hit peak performance and thrive. I think that's all people who are consuming nutrient-dense meats eat. meats and fish and eggs those are the people that when you look at athletes the Predominant that the best athletes in every sport are all consuming protein.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
They're all consuming animal protein There's so few that are vegans that that hit elite status and maintain a lot of them get injured when they switch to vegan to There's just so much in there collagen and b12 and fucking there's so many different aspects to different amino acids You could have this ethical thing in your head, and I get that ethical thing. Like, I don't want to see a thing suffer.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I think plants suffer. You just don't feel it. I really do. I think there's a communication with them that's probably similar but different to the way we feel about animals getting killed by other animals. I think it's just a part of this whole process.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I mean, they've shown that you can take the recordings of beetles eating leaves and play recordings of beetles eating leaves near a tree, and the tree will experience distress to the point where it changes the profile, the flavor profile of the leaves. It releases chemicals, these phytochemicals into the leaves that makes it disgusting for the bugs. And they do it with giraffes.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Like when giraffes eat, I think it's acacia trees. When giraffes eat acacia trees, the trees downwind all become disgusting to the point where the giraffes will starve because they won't eat it. They change their flavor profile to protect themselves. They release some sort of chemical. It makes them inedible.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Well, maybe they could do all those things too. Maybe, I don't know. I think their philosophical point is a good one. I think their ethics, the morals, their perspective is that I want to live a life with the least suffering possible. I think that's noble. I really do. I think the problem is life eats life. And I think that's the real problem.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And I think the problem is if you're buying just vegetables in the store, boy, you need to take a good look at monocrop agriculture because it's fucking bananas. Yeah. There was Taylor Sheridan in Yellowstone. There was a scene where Kevin Costner was talking to the hippie lady. He was trying to shut down ranches and shit. I forget what her thing was.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
But he was explaining how if you're on a vegan diet, you want to kill the most things, become a vegan. Become a vegan. Because you don't understand. One life is one life, okay? If the life of a gopher and the life of an elk are the same thing, why wouldn't they be? Why wouldn't they be? You have no idea how many things have to fucking die to make monocrop agriculture. It's a bloodbath.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
They kill everything. They kill groundhogs, ground squirrels, you fucking name it. Ground nesting birds, fawns, everything gets gobbled up by combines. It's an enormous industrial operation. It's not natural. So now you're limited to organic plants, okay? So if you're growing all of your own food and you're growing a lot of soybeans, a lot of different things like
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
If you grow hemp, if you're in a place where you can grow it legally, hemp is actually a really good source of protein. It's actually got a really complete amino acid profile. You can, you know, you can survive. You can do it that way. But if you're a regular vegan, if this is a person that, like, I get vegan pizza at the supermarket, shut the fuck up.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
You're contributing to this mass slaughter of small animals. You're just not aware of it.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Is it The Game Changers? That's the one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you watch that? Yeah, I know the guy who did it. I had him on. Wow.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And it's so processed. That is literally what it is. If you want to be, I've said this a million times, you want to be a vegetarian, eat Indian food. They make delicious, delicious vegetarian food. You don't have to eat fucking vegan cheese. Stop pretending. Stop lying. Stop eating Tofutti or whatever the fuck that shit is. Get out of here. Get out of it. Get the fuck out of here. That's nonsense.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
What are you eating? Just eat. And also, eat mollusks. People should look into that. Those things are so primitive. They're way more primitive than plants. We just have a problem with them moving. That's all it is. If people, like, they don't even have nerves. They don't feel pain. They're fucking the simplest of organisms, yet their protein is like animal protein. It's really good for you.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I eat the fuck out of oysters. Never down there to hear about some dude dying. Yeah, I eat escargot. Oh, yeah. But every now and then I hear about a dude dying from oysters.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah, when I lived in San Francisco, you could collect mussels. There was like mussels that were on the rocks. But then I think I brought them home once, but then I found out that there's like a couple months out of the year that they're poisoned. You get like red tide, right? Yeah. So I was like, I dodged the bullet, but I was like, what's that bullet?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Because you could just go find mussels and pluck them off of things.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Would I move? Yeah, yeah. No. No. I like it here. You like the weather. I like everything. I like the size of it. I like the way people behave. People are super friendly. I like the scene here. The restaurant scene's amazing. The comedy scene's amazing. Live music. Yeah. A bunch of cool people now. So many of my friends moved here. I love it here. I just love the vibe.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I love that it's, you know, I love that we're not connected to the Hollywood machine. There's like a pull of deals and shows and things that you get roped into doing because you think about the money they'll pay you.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And then you wind up becoming one of those people. You have to say what they say. If you're not politically aligned with them, you're going to lose gigs. You change your behavior. I see it with so many comics. There are really good comics coming up. They're like, wow, this guy's going to be good. He's really good. He's getting better all the time. And then they get a fucking show.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
They get a show, and then they tone everything down, and everything gets softer, and everything, you know, you start seeing some, like, bullshit jokes in there, like, oh, you decided to cover this joke, cover this subject just for, like, just for, like, street cred, progressive street cred. Like, you see it happen. You're like, ah, you got called into the rocks.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
The sirens, they call you into the rocks. That's what it is, man. They call you into the rocks. You stop being you. You stop being you because they dangle that carrot in front of your face. And there's no carrot out here. The carrot is just podcasts and other comics. So that's way better. There's no control. There's no manipulation. There's no someone's dangling this over you.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
You have to agree with what I agree with. Yeah. No one cares at all about any of that stuff here.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It's like some Orwellian nightmare, man. And if you could have a conversation with someone where you're friendly with each other and completely disagree, it's a beautiful dance. It's a fun dance to talk to people that have just completely different perspectives, but you're not rude to them. You just ask them, well, why do you think that? Did you ever consider this?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And you have conversations like two normal people just having a conversation. Okay. All right. So that's what you think. huh, what was your childhood like? Just get into it. What are we dealing with here? Why do you have this perspective? And you have to be able to talk to each other. And there's a bunch of people that we hang out with that have totally different opinions on all kinds of things.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Like my friend Josh, who was here the other day, love him to death. He told me he voted for Jill Stein. He said he voted for Jill Stein just like a protest vote. Wow. I think the two-party system is stupid. I'm like, yeah, yeah. Okay, right. Yeah, I get it. Look, I voted for two libertarian candidates in a row. So I voted for Gary Johnson, and then I voted for Joe Jorgensen. Why?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It's going to go red anyway, whether you like it or not. It's going to go red. Yeah, Florida goes red hard. When they saw Miami go red, they were like, oh, boy. Oh, boy. And one of the things that they were saying, the whole what goes red and what goes... If you look at the country, California is way more red now than it's ever been in the last four years. I didn't know that.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah, it's a big difference. If you look at there's a map of California, how it voted from 2020 to 2024, it's a giant swing. The red's going like this. See if you can find it, Jamie? It's very interesting. That's not because people have been radicalized. That's because the left has gone fucking cuckoo. You guys have gone crazy, and you're authoritarians.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
You want everybody to behave and believe and think and talk the way you do, or else. Look at that. Look at the difference. Holy shit. Holy shit, dude.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah. It's most of California by landmass. By far. Yeah. It's probably 70% by landmass or 60%.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
You got to shut off that blocker. These fuckers. Here it goes. Oh, these fuckers. Oh, you have to get a... Yeah. Go to the other... Just the image. Just the image real quick.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It's the best. Yeah, that's it. So what's the one in the upper... Well, it's not... The one that's blue? Yeah, I guarantee you that's where they grow the weed. Yeah. They want to keep everything nice and quiet up there. Shut the fuck up. Everybody shut the fuck up.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Where's Humble? Up there. That's where they grow all the best weed. That's where they have problems with the cartel, too. The cartel grows weed up there, too.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Okay, there we go. You're right. Yeah, they grow all the weed, son. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, there's a dude named John Norris who's been on the podcast. He wrote a book called Hidden Wars. And he was a game warden. So he's just thinking he's going to go around checking fishing licenses and shit like that. And then one day they find a creek that's been diverted. So they have to follow the creek.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
They thought maybe a farmer had like dammed the creek somewhere and done something to get water illegally. He goes up there and he finds these PVC pipes and it reads this giant grow up. And it's all cartel guys. And so this guy's job changes from being a game warden, let me check your fish line, to running a fucking tactical unit. They had attack dogs. They had attack dogs.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
They had fucking shootouts with the cartel in the woods over weed because here's what happened. California made weed legal in the state but made growing it a misdemeanor if you grow it illegally. So if you are a person who's doing it legally, you can grow it and you can sell it if you have a license. You can open up a shop and you can sell it. They tax the shit out of it. It's great for everybody.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
But the problem is you made growing it illegally a misdemeanor. So then the cartel just starts growing it everywhere in the national forests because even if the guys get arrested – Nothing happens. It's a misdemeanor, so it's nothing. So they're using these crazy toxic poison pesticides, all this shit that's totally illegal to use on regular crops in America.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And 90% of the illegal weed that's being bought around the country is coming from them. Holy shit, I didn't know that. And they're doing it all in national forests, and they're doing most of it in California. Dude, they find these grow-ups. My friend found one. You know him. Cody. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
He found a cartel grow-up on Tahone Ranch. This guy carried in pipes on his shoulder. And diverted a stream. Deep into the woods. Diverted a stream. And then there was this whole field of weed that these guys had planted out there. They were camping out there. They had little religious symbols and shit they kept by their bed to protect them.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Okay. What's the problem? You no longer have distribution, but you still have a demand. You still have a demand. Yeah. The real problem is there's always going to be a demand. The real problem, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that idea, by the way. Okay. I like that idea. Yeah. But the problem with that idea is you're always going to have a demand.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And if you're going to have a demand, someone's going to fulfill that demand. And who the fuck is that going to be? How are they going to get the Coke in? You're not going to just not have Coke. So here's the question. By having prohibition of alcohol in the United States, it's widely agreed that that led to the rise of the mafia. Right.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Bootleggers, the mafia, criminal organizations that were organized crime that went on to do a bunch of other horrible things inside our country, and they were built up with money because alcohol was illegal. The moment alcohol stopped being illegal, you still have these people with all this money now. You fucked up. Now they're organized gangsters.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Okay, alcohol's legal now, so they're just going to sell it legally. And they have millions and millions of dollars from a life of crime. You've already done that with the cartel. You've got to do something. You've got to do something. And you probably also should legalize drugs. I don't think you should take drugs. I think coke is probably terrible for almost everybody.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I think meth is probably terrible. Do people still do cocaine? Absolutely. Really? It's really a thing still? I know people who do it. The growing Chinese investment in illegal American weed. Of course.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Oh, my God. China's growing weed here. They're growing weed here.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It's a weird thing. Because it's so close to us and it's so ultra-violent and dangerous. And it's just completely shaped the way the entire economy of the country works. They have so much power and control. And it's a criminal organization that is entirely, almost entirely at least, funded by us. by our desire. Trump declares war on cartels.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
President-elect said notorious crime syndicates and drug kingpins will never sleep soundly again once he launches his plans to tackle the issue.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
He wants to send troops to Mexico. He said it would make appropriate use of special forces, cyber warfare, and other overt and covert actions to inflict maximum damage on cartel leadership, infrastructure, and operations. Oh, Jesus. Bro, it is going to get wild come January 20th. It's going to get wild, man. It is going to get wild. Very interesting.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
But the thing is, people, inaction is action as well when it comes to this. You're going to continue to prop them up. They're going to get more and more power and more and more money. And we've got to figure out why everybody wants Coke.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
You think it's coke? I think that's the big one. I'm pretty sure it's the big one. I'm sure a lot of it is pills. They have fake pills. They sell street pills, different anti-anxiety medications, Molly. There's a lot of stuff they sell that's also laced up with fentanyl. Which is responsible for, you know, who knows how many tens of thousands of young people die.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Crazy high. Crazy high. It's insane. It's a horrific thing. And it's gotten to the point where people are scared to try any kind of drug because they're thinking fentanyl. They found fentanyl in weed. What? Yes. They found fentanyl-laced weed. Yeah. People are dumb as shit, man. You don't think they'll try putting fentanyl in weed? People are dumb as shit. They'll try all kinds of things.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
People are retarded. I know people that have mixed MAO inhibitors and mushrooms and acid all together. What are you doing? Are you trying to go to space? What are you doing, man? Jesus Christ, you're just experimenting in your brain?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
An MAO inhibitor, monoamine oxidase inhibitor. It's the ingredient in ayahuasca that makes DMT orally active. So monoamine oxidase breaks down DMT in the gut. That's why when you eat, like if you eat a salad, that's why you don't trip balls.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Because otherwise, like most plants, some crazy number of plants have DMT in it. Like how many plants have DMT in it? I think it's like a thousand or something nutty like that.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I don't know, because... You're going to get people trying it they wouldn't try it before. You're going to get people that use it irresponsibly. Just like you get people that drink irresponsibly. I think that's the situation that we find ourselves in if we're going to give people personal freedom. They're going to make bad decisions. You can buy a Corvette, right?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
You can go to the Chevrolet dealership, buy a Corvette right off the lot that goes zero to 60 in four seconds. And you're flying around corners. You could be a fucking maniac and kill people in a Corvette. Or you could just enjoy it on the highway and be responsible and say, wow, what a great car. This thing's awesome. I love it.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And you don't cause any problems for anybody. No. Both things are possible. That's what's going to happen if we make drugs legal. You're going to have people try those drugs that probably shouldn't be trying those drugs.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
You're going to have people get addicted to those drugs that maybe wouldn't have gotten addicted if those drugs weren't available to them, especially if they weren't legal, if you could just buy it somewhere. But if you don't rip the fucking Band-Aid off of this like infantilization of society and let people know that there are things out there that – They're telling you you can't do.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And the people who are telling you you can't do them haven't even experienced them. And when it comes to things like psilocybin and psychedelics, if you haven't experienced them, you really shouldn't be talking about them. You have no idea what you're talking about. You can't possibly know. You can't know. And if you have experienced them, then you're probably going to agree with me.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
God, I thought it was a lot more than that. At least 50. I had read something that was, like, in the hundreds.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
So the point is, like, I know phalaris grass is, like, really rich with DMT. And that's also the acacia tree. That's what one – when they connected – there's, like, a university in Jerusalem that connected this idea of Moses and the burning bush to a DMT tree. Oh, right. Because the acacia tree is, like, rich in DMT. And the idea of burning it, you see God, and God gives you this message and –
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
tells you what to do and what the rules of behavior are. I think anybody telling you that these things should get you locked up has clearly never experienced them.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
It's so horrible that they're on display. Yes. They're on parade, even, you were saying. The guys would parade around their harem.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I think a lot of people would benefit from it But I think a lot of people wouldn't I don't think people with real psychological disorders should be doing it, right? You know, I think people that are really fucked up and having a hard time with schizophrenics people, you know, I don't know I think it's probably dangerous for you. I think it's probably a bit of a stress test for your psyche and
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
You know, you hear about these stories like the guy from Pink Floyd that dropped acid and freaked out and never came back. There's those stories. Like we hear those stories of guys just go out there and kind of you lose them. I've kind of seen it with some people. I've seen one kid who was just smoking a ton of weed and just lost his mind and became schizophrenic. And you don't know.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Did he have a tendency towards schizophrenia already? Did he fall prey? Was it just his unique biochemistry and how he interacted with weed? Was it just inveterate weed? I mean, he was every day smoking weed constantly. What is it? What caused him to crack? You know, I don't know. I don't know. But I don't have that problem. And I think it's very beneficial.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And I don't like when people tell me that because someone has a problem with something that I shouldn't do it. I don't agree with that. I think you should be allowed to take chances as a person. I think if you want to do BMX jumps and fucking do flips on your bike, you should be allowed to do it. You want to do jujitsu and have grown men try to kill you? Go ahead. Go do it.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Do whatever the fuck you want to do. I don't think anybody should be able to tell you what you can and can't do. But why does that change? when you talk about substances that someone puts in their body. Well, because those people could do those and then they could commit crimes. But those are already crimes. You already go to jail for those crimes.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
So if you do something violent because you're on a drug, you're going to jail because you did something violent. There's a crime. You committed that crime. You go to jail. So we already have laws that address all the problems. And you're assuming that more problems would occur. We don't know that.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
We don't know that more people won't chill the fuck out and wouldn't have a dramatic decrease in violence across the country. Imagine that.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Imagine you have a few people that lose their fucking mind, but you have a dramatic increase in consciousness through the entire country where people develop like a mushroom culture and people start like micro dosing all the time and people get way more comfortable with talking to each other, way more creative, way more like community oriented and love oriented. That's not a bad thing.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
That's a real possibility with something that exists right now. There's a happy pill. It's out there, and it's illegal. And God made it. God made it. And it's probably the source of most religious experiences. There's probably some sort of a connection to a lot of those religious experiences and what was probably some sort of a psychedelic adventure that they went on.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And who's to say that that's not even how you talk to God in the first place? We don't know because it's been held back from us. It's been kept from us like we're a bunch of babies. It's something that human beings have used for thousands and thousands of years. The Greeks used psychedelics to start democracy.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And yet here we are in the greatest democracy the world's ever known in 2024 with full access to the internet, all the data that's available, all the anecdotal stories, and it'll get you locked in a fucking cage. That's nuts. That's really crazy. It's completely insane. That doesn't make no sense. I've tried to look at it from all different ways.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I do agree with you when people say if you make cocaine legal, people are going to die. Unfortunately, I agree with you. But if you don't make cocaine legal, people are also going to die. I don't know which one is more. And I don't know if it was just real cocaine versus cocaine mixed with a bunch of other horrible shit. If like the real cocaine wouldn't kill as many people.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I don't know how many people are dying just of cocaine and how many people are dying of fentanyl-laced cocaine. I bet it's way more fentanyl-laced cocaine. So if you have just pure cocaine and the same amount of users, you're going to get way less deaths. So that's a net positive.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Then you take taxes from that sale of that legal cocaine and you use it to sell it to rehabilitation centers where you give them Ibogaine. Give people the ability to break addictions. It's possible. People do it. They go to Mexico, kick opioids. People do it all the time. My friend Ed Clay did it. That's how he got into it.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
He started his own clinic because he went down there because he had a pill problem. You get an injury. You're doing jujitsu. You're always fucking hurt. These guys get a disc problem. Their arm's all fucked up. They take a little pill. Yeah. You feel better. But then you need three pills. Then you need four. Now you're fucked. And now there's nothing to help you other than Ibogaine.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And that's illegal. So you make that legal too. So with those two together, who knows? You might have way less deaths. And then you would have taxes that you could take from that stuff and use for all sorts of things. It would be horrible for taxes from cocaine sales to fix the schools. But what if that's what did it? What if that's what did it?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And what if the exact same amount of people buying cocaine are still buying cocaine? What if that is the fix? And what if... responsible use of drugs, all kinds of drugs. Sure, don't drive a car when you're coked up. Don't take heroin and fly your plane. No, responsible use, just like responsible use of alcohol. Why is that so crazy for us? Why is that so alien?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Because we've been turned into babies. We've been turned into babies where you're allowed to take pharmaceutical drugs that make you high as fuck. Whether it's high as fuck on Adderall or high as fuck on opioid, that's fine. But you can't go out and get yourself some mushrooms. That's just crazy.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
And for these people that are the ones in charge that are making all the money from these decisions to keep up with this insanity in the internet in 2024, in this tide of change, I feel the same way about them as you feel about those poor cartel members. Like, you probably should be doing something else. What is this? What, weed and fentanyl? Short answer is they're false.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
There's no solid evidence that marijuana is being laced with fentanyl. Here's some of the reasons why. Didn't someone get caught with it, though?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I think we were talking about one. They said there was weed that was laced with fentanyl that someone got arrested for.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
How do you get an error? How much fentanyl is out there that's an error? Oh, it was just contamination. It wasn't the weed that had fentanyl. Fentanyl's all over the place.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
That actually does make sense, right? Because if you think it's some cracked out dude working the wheat fields for the cartel, he's probably going to be doing fentanyl.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
He's on a tent in the fucking woods with a little Virgin Mary statue.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I know. Candles. Bro. Having shootouts with the fucking cops. It's so crazy that that's going on and that there's hundreds of them and that the Chinese are running them.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Do you know him? You've never met him? No, I've never met him. Oh, my God. I've got to bring you two guys together. I love that dude. But one of the things he was telling me was about the Chinese cell phone towers, like cheaper. Right. They're like, you just buy ours. We're not going to listen to you. And they put them all around military bases.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
They're around this nuclear weapons facility. Of course. They're all over the place. And then they buy land. Like Dr. Phil was highlighting that. They buy land right next to military bases. How fucking silly are we? We're so silly. Like someone's moving our chess pieces around like, oh, this isn't happening. This isn't even happening. People don't think like that.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
There's no way they'd be buying up all the weed. There's no way they'd be buying up all the farmland right next to the military.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
There's no way. That's crazy to even think. Meanwhile, the only way you can get those chemicals is from China.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I'm sure that's their primary goal. But I do remember reading something where they were talking about, was it British? There was people that introduced opium to the Chinese, like on purpose. It was like a campaign. The first opium war. 1800s. Okay. Britain, the war was triggered by China's efforts to enforce its ban on opium.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
The British responded by sending a naval expedition to force China to pay reparations and allow the opium trade. Yeah. Yeah. So the British wanted to keep that fucking dope flowing. Isn't that wild? They went to war to keep the dope flowing. This is what people have to recognize about Afghanistan too. Yeah. This is something that it sounds so conspiracy theory that no one even wants to touch it.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Was that what it was? 70% of the world's heroin was coming out of a place that we had occupied.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
I've had freeway Ricky Ross on like three times. I had him on recently. I had him on recently. Yeah. And he was the guy. He was the guy who's making millions, millions and millions and millions of dollars. He couldn't read. He was making millions of dollars selling coke for the fucking government. Myanmar overtakes Afghanistan and the world's top opium producer.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Violent political turmoil in Myanmar in years since 2021 coup has contributed to a production increase. Wow, so they took over.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
25 cents each? That's all? Imagine for a quarter you could do meth? The golden triangle. Imagine doing that quarter. What kind of judgment do you have? You pop that 25-cent meth and fucking chug it down with a Budweiser. What are you doing, man?
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Son, couldn't sleep at all. I didn't drink. I didn't eat. I felt powerful.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
Yeah, look, I don't think that should be legal. Well, here, I don't think you should do it, but I think it should be legal. I think if it's not legal, the cartel sells it. You just have to figure out what to do with the money that you're going to make from it because that's devil money. You're selling meth money. That's devil money. You're ruining people's lives.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
There's going to be a bunch of slippery people that are kind of hanging on but doing their best, and you're going to meth them down the road to oblivion. That's true. That's true. That's true. But that's not going to happen to me. I'm not going to get methed out. I'm not going to try it. I haven't even tried Adderall. I'm scared of it.
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#2230 - Evan Hafer
So some people are going to figure it out, just like most things in life, just like drinking, just like driving, just like doing jujitsu, just like riding a BMX bike. Some people are going to get hurt. So we have to decide what's more valuable to you, nerfing the whole fucking world or people figuring out what's best for everybody. And the only way to do that is to give people freedom. That's it.