Eris Zuckerman
Appearances
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Right. I can see that because your arm placement sort of suggests to your brain, hey, this is a new scenario. So scenario A is my way. Scenario B is, you know, maybe the B size where you're going back to a normal way and your configuration is different in terms of not the keyboard, but the way your body orients itself to the device.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Yeah. Good point to clarify, Jared. Yeah, they're separated. When we say normal keyboard, it's a contiguous keyboard that's all connected, not separated, like you would normally use. Right. But you said it's weird and different, and yet we're saying the word normal. At least I am. I think you are too, Jared. A keyboard? I don't want to assume.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Okay, you were saying the opposite. You were saying the Voyagers, this style is weird and different. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. I thought you were saying the normal keyboards are weird and different. I'm like, that doesn't compute.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
What was the name of the Microsoft keyboard again? I may have gapped that. I want to make sure we stamp it again.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
That's the one you used, Jared? You used that one?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
At least a version of it. Because they still sell one today. And I was looking it up and I'm like, is this still...
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Not that we're trying to advertise this necessarily, but the latest, if this is true, it seems to be called Microsoft Sculp.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Ergonomic keyboard. So is this like the latest version of that to your knowledge, like based on your usage? Exactly. Okay.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
So comparative to this one, the Sculpt doesn't have what you have, which is this ability to completely separate. Why is the ability to completely separate the two halves an important factor?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
I love it. Okay, so they mean it when they say code breaks. Fix it faster with Sentry. More than 100,000 growing teams use Sentry to find problems fast, and you can too. Learn more at Sentry.io. That's S-E-N-T-R-Y.io. And use our code CHANGELOG. Get $100 off the team plan. That's almost four months free for you to try out Sentry. Once again, Sentry.io.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Just one thing I want to mention on the split, and it's not necessarily the split, it's the ability to try without having to buy. I found this resource on your site. It's a full-size printout of the Ergodox EX. And so that way you could just print it off and put it on your desk and at least get a feel for it.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
And you can cut the paper and fake it, essentially, and just kind of get a feel for it with just a print. You know, print the paper. That's it.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Hey friends, I'm here with Brandon Fu, co-founder and CEO of Paragon. Paragon lets B2B SaaS companies ship native integrations to production in days with more than 130 pre-built connectors or configure own custom integrations. So Brandon, talk to me about the friction developers feel with integrations, SSO, dealing with rate limits, retries, auth, all the things.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Okay, cool. That's the front of the house. That's the UI layer that developers are getting solved. What about the backend, the re-limiting, the retries, et cetera?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Okay. Paragon is built for product management. It's built for engineering. It's built for everybody. Ship hundreds of native integrations into your SaaS application in days. Or build your own custom connector with any API. Learn more at useparagon.com slash changelog. Again, useparagon.com slash changelog. That's U-S-E-P-A-R-A-G-O-N dot com slash changelog. I'm down with wires, Jared.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Talk about wires, man.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
I had the pleasure of talking to Kyle Weins. I know you know his name because he started I Fix It. He came on the show, I want to say at least in the last year. I feel like it was March this year. The show was called We Have a Right to Repair! Because that's how I felt after talking to him. And he said this. I'm going to quote something he said in that show.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
He said, if you buy a thing, and this is concurring with what you're saying, quote, if you buy a thing with a battery, you're just renting it.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
The battery is going to wear out. That's a consumable. So anything with a battery that has a lifespan of 500 to 1,000 charge cycles. You're just renting it depending on how they configure that battery. So he went on to say about the Apple AirPods, which is a very popular wireless. And I like them. I love, I don't know how you would make them with wires if otherwise.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
That is kind of the feature of the thing. But it's still true that they got about 500, maybe a thousand charge cycles. How frequently do you charge your AirPods? I don't know. Daily, nightly, constantly. Maybe you get a year or so out of them battery life wise. You're just renting it. That's what he said.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
What's up, friends? This is The Change Law. We feature the hackers, the leaders, and those who are creating open source ergonomic keyboards. Yes, today we're joined by Eris Zuckerman, one of the fine folks behind Ergodox EZ that kickstarted this whole thing off.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
That's good. This person you mentioned who bought the OG Ergodox EZ back in the Kickstarter day, I guess, or the Indiegogo days. Sorry, I used Kickstarter because it's like Xerox, you know? Is it a Xerox? Is it a copy? I don't know.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
This person or that kind of person, that persona, let's just say, when it comes to a business, when you look at that kind of person who's purchased nine years ago or the oldest of purchases, how much money do you make off of that person? Do they come back and rebuy anything because you have this sustainable, which I totally agree with. I'm just wondering how that hits the bottom line.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
And I know that you're optimizing for that sustainability and longevity there. But realistically, a customer who is that old or that length of a customer and they buy the thing one time way back, how do you make more money off of them? How do you kind of vertically grow within one customer? Is it referrals? Is it recommendations? Is it happiness?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
And they're doing a talk at a conference and they're showing up their keyboard and it's like it's infectious because they meet people and they're an influencer, just whatever. How does that work?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
I noticed on your homepage for ergodocs-easy.com, a couple scrolls down, Linus Tech Tips. Watch the full review. How did this come about? You said you don't work with influencers. Was this natural?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Is that right? Because they said, we finally are reviewing this thing. You know, like it's been a wait. They just emailed you and like, hey, give us one and we'll review it.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
I don't often read the comments, but on this same post, we'll link it up in the show notes because it's linked from your homepage as well. But you might like this comment. It's kind of funny. We'll see how it goes. Jake Jake Boom five years ago says, I feel like if I invested in this keyboard, my life would inevitably spiral out of control. There's a twist. I promise.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
I'd fall into a vicious chase of ergonomic custom keyboard perfection. Six months later, I'd be under a bridge somewhere frantically swapping key switches to scratch that itch I'll never quite be able to reach. Wow. How does that resonate with you?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
I almost feel like I need one of these, Jared.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Yeah, my setup is interesting. So I have trackpad, like normal, way over here on the left. Wireless. Wireless. Keyboard, also wireless, right here in the center. And then a Wacom, what is this? An Intuos Pro.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
No, I just prefer it over a mouse. I just like to write my, I've never had any wrist pain anymore. So I just keep this thing in my hand, like I'm writing and I mouse with my pen and it's just natural the way it fits into my hand. I don't have to like, you know, people get into this mode. I'm making a claw.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Right. The claw is what really gets people. And so I can always like, you said keep motion earlier in the show. You said keep moving around. This method allows me to move around. My trackpad is independent. My keyboard is independent. And the Intuos Pro is like my mouse and it's independent. Yeah. So I can move around a lot.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Yeah, I can't go back. So my trackpad's on the left, so my left hand is what I scroll and move and things like that with. And obviously I'm clicking and moving windows and stuff like that with my right hand with the Wacom. and then the keyboard's in the middle. So when I'm dedicated to typing or doing whatever, it's just right there in the middle.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
And it's, it's cool how it just works in my brain too. I just feel like I can scroll and tap. It's just so fast. It's really just a fast.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
So as an example, I'm just scrolling this website called ZSA.io slash Voyager. I'm scrolling it and mousing around so I can touch things and click things and buttons. So my left hand is scrolling up and down the page to scan and zoom and look and whatnot.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
And I can easily click on try Oryx or whatever else you've got going on because my hand on the right side is this mouse and it's just able to move along while scrolling with my left hand.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
And honestly, Wacom has no competition as a mouse. So I use this as a mouse, and I have been for 15 years. I mean, just so long, I've just never... I think I've had to buy, and to your credit, maybe on the sustainability side, I've had to buy several over the years. And I think it's mainly been because they eventually wear out. The pen wears out. I can't get replacement parts for it.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Some of them switch out, but like I might lose it. I don't know. Just things happen. I think I may have bought three potentially over my whole entire usability career of doing it like this. I think that's a lot because it's about $300 each, roughly, $200. So that's quite an investment, but it's nice.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
I would encourage you to consider my way and maybe make a Wacom Killer because you can make it better that's more sustainable. To their credit, they do a great job with the surfaces being able to be replaced. So over time, the surface, because I'm always rubbing my hand, my full hand on the surface.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Yeah, like my hand gets grease, you see a pattern there, all this stuff. You can peel that off and replace it. And I've done that several times too.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
I've graduated from smaller ones to bigger ones, which I think was mainly why I upgraded over the years. Or I got a new one and was like, I want more space in my area. Now, there are some...
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
I guess compatibility challenges, which you will always have in a third party device that is not first party native keyboard, which is one of my other concerns is like, well, how compatible can it be with every application? And you can only do so much customization. But the point is, is that I think there's room in there because this does way more than I need. I don't use any of the extra keys.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
I just don't have a need for it. Maybe I can find a use for it, but I just haven't. So I basically just disable everything that is the tablet and I'll only use it for an input device. And that's it.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
I think a friend of mine a long time ago, his name is Donald Kilgore. DK is what I call him because it's his initials, DK. He did it and he's a left-hander and he and I, and I have in the past been an illustrator and done more in...
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Creative programs. But so initially I got it for those reasons because I wanted to have a true input device for it, but then it became my way and I do that stuff less now, but the way stayed with me. So I didn't abandon the ship because I did less illustration or less in Photoshop or whatever. It was very helpful in those applications, but now it's just the way for me.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
And so I was influenced by somebody else. And I think they did it similar where they had the trackpad like that, like this configuration. I tried it out too and just never stopped.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
I am thinking, though, how the Voyager can fit right here in the middle for this keyboard.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
That's hilarious, man. Cats and keyboards.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
What's up, friends? I'm here with Cal Carberry, co-founder and CTO at Coder.com. So Coder.com is a cloud development environment, a CDE, and you run all the clouds, AWS, Azure, GCP, you run on-prem, and you're no stranger to competition, right?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
The competition out there is well-known, but what shocks you, what surprises you about the state of cloud development environments and how developers are leveraging them?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Ares shares his journey of creating customizable keyboards, creating ZSA, the company behind it all, the benefits of split keyboards, customizable key layouts, repairability and longevity, the right to repair, community engagement, his attention to detail in everything they create. We talk through their keyboard lineup, our personal experience with how we mouse and keyboard. We cover it all.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
So I've used Docker, I've used VMs, but take me into the technical details. What is it that's different between a VM and running something in Docker?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Well, it might be time to consider a cloud development environment. And open source is awesome, and Coder is fully open source. You can go to Coder.com, get a demo, or try it right now, or even start a 30-day trial of Coder Enterprise. Once again, Coder.com, that's C-O-D-E-R.com, Coder.com. And I'm also here with Todd Kaufman, CEO of Test Double, testdouble.com.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Oh.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
You may know Test Double from our good friend, Justin Searles. So Todd, on your homepage, I see an awesome quote from Eileen. You could tell she says, quote, hot take. Just have Test Double build all your stuff.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Take me one layer deeper on this engagement. How many folks did you apply to this engagement? What was the objective? What did you do, etc. ?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Very cool, Todd. I love it. Find out more about Test Double's software investment problem solvers at testdouble.com. That's testdouble.com, T-E-S-T-D-O-U-B-L-E.com. What does it take to go from this DIY proof of concept to adoption and production? Like what would it take to make that become real?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
That's cool. I would say there's a path I would personally take, not this DIY method, because I'm just thinking through what it would be like to use a Voyager in this configuration since I walked you all through how I do it. I think I would probably just take this existing Apple trackpad because I already own it.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Like you said before, take what you already own, and I would pop it right in that corner or somewhere on the inside of the left keyboard. So that I can still be spread out. And I might change my configuration, but my hand that does the work is still doing the work. And so the left side of my keyboard can go on the outside, the left outside of my trackpad.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
The trackpad would be on the inside right of the left side of the keyboard. And then my Wacom can be to the right of the right side of the keyboard that's split on the other side. And kind of like split it like that to see if I like it. Because I think that could actually work out. That's assuming I like this split keyboard.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Yeah, because those bottom two keys on the left side, I imagine, would probably get in the way if the trackpad's too close.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Can we talk about voiding warranties?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
I asked that question because I found on your very well-designed, I would say, and then also well-written blog, Spray painting your ZSA keyboard, not a render. I saw this. I was like, this is cool. And it's an article on how to spray paint your keyboard. And the very first thing it says in important disclaimers is this will void your warranty.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
You know, but still yet, just like I fix it, you kind of have similar, you're kind of cut from similar cloths. As I fix it and the fact that they care about repairability, they care about owning, they care about rights to access and fix or mod or change. I do wonder, now I don't know how your business could work with this, but if you can have a modified warranty.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Like if you followed a guide to do this thing, could you have a modified where like the core components of like the keyword functionality of like the key pressing is still warrantied? When all you did was take it apart, spray paint the thing, and it's a cosmetic thing. I just wonder. That might be too hard to enforce though.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Have you written that up? Because I would then go back to every guide you've written and from point number one, not just tell them you void the warranty, but even if you do void your warranty, link to this thing where you still have support. Because that's unclear.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
You know, I hear that, but I think, you know, if you want to go down the I Fix It Halloween's direction, they unabashedly sell products.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Yeah.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
To the note of expectation and clarity, I think that sets more expectation and clarity than not seeming like you're upselling because I don't think you're trying to. You're just trying to give, hey, have fun, DIYers. Have fun, modders and hackers. Do it.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
And if you do, we're still here for you. We won't fix it on our dime, but if it needs fixed, we're here to help you and we have... Not a whole new keyboard to sell you, but just the one part that you may have accidentally spray painted on when you're modding this thing and you still got that support. I feel like that's a bit more of a net than feeling like you're trying to upsell people.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Yeah, especially if you've written it up. I mean, if it's already there, then I think if you overly explain even your generosity and your desire to be sustainable, I think if that is your brand, then it won't feel like what you're trying not to feel like. It will feel like more support than it will feel like upsell.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
But I like this too. I was like, that's cool. And I was surprised by the guide to spray paint it. And I was even more surprised by the very first line, which was, this will void your warranty. I was like, it's cool that you disclosed that because I might venture into uncharted territories or voyage into uncharted territories and void my warranty unbeknownst to me.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
But you've told me and you've given me a path to fix my stuff if I break it. And you're right. If I choose to mod my thing, I'm taking ownership. It's a choice to own.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
That's deeper than I ever imagined.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Yeah, I mean, I love the thought process. I love all the, it's not just attention to detail. It's like, I would just say probably thoughtfulness. You know, I love card games. We recently took up a game called Taco Cat Goat Cheese Pizza.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
And it's so cool. My kids love it. I mean, like we could just play that for hours and it's so fun.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
And obviously my youngest is usually last to slam his hand down. And so I take the cards on his behalf as any dad should, you know? Love it. It's really cool though. I can explain the game, but it's not part of the show. I'll do it in post-show if necessary. That's awesome. I would recommend the game though.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
That's cool to use this as a team building exercise and just all the thoughtfulness in a way to extend a card game, really.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
I'm going to ZSA.fun RN just to see the cards. So there you go. There you go.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Thank you. It was an awesome conversation. Thank you for all of your thoughtfulness, as I said before, but just really just like the way that you carry yourself in your business. I mean, you're countercultural in so many ways, but you shouldn't be. Yeah. And I think that's cool. Thank you very much. Well, who knew that making open source ergonomic keyboards could be so much fun?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
From the Voyager to the Moonlander to Half Moon to the OG Ergodox EZ, ZSA, as Ares says, is doing some really awesome stuff. And I'm sure there's a keyboard for everyone out there at ZSA.io. Now, should you go buy one? I don't know. That's up to you. Am I going to go buy one?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
don't know not yet i am tempted but i am a fan and i might i'll let you know what i do from being open source to sustainability to longevity to holding the prototype the physical thing in his hand before he writes a single line of copy for the webpage And all the business practices, to me, is so admirable. Check them out, zsa.io. If you pick one up, let us know. We want to hear from you.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
And the easy way to do that is to go to changelog.com slash community. No imposters here. Everyone is welcome. And that means you. Now, we do have a bonus for our Plus Plus subscribers, changelog.com slash plus plus. It's better. It is better.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Because when you get closer to that cool changelog medal, when you directly support us, when you get an ad-free feed, when you get a sticker pack sent to your home address at no cost, it's better. You get bonus content. It's better. And today, it is better because we have a Plus Plus bonus for you. Once again, changelog.com slash plus plus. Okay, a big thank you to our sponsors today, Sentry.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Check them out, Sentry.io. Use our code CHANGELOG and get three-ish, almost four months of the team plan for free. Our friends over at Paragon, useparagon.com. B2B SaaS integrations for everyone. And our friends over at Coder.com. I love Coder.com. I haven't talked about this much besides in our ad spots a couple times on a podcast, but Coder.com is so cool. Check them out, Coder.com.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
And to our friends over at Test Double, helping teams like GitHub move from Ruby and Rails to new Ruby and Rails to be updated with all the security patches and releases.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
awesome team test double.com and last but not least to our friends and partners over at fly.io that is the home of changelog.com it is a public cloud built for developers who ship and that's where we are we ship check them out fly.io and to the beat freak in residence break master cylinder for those awesome beats thank you bmc thank you okay that's it this show's done we'll see you on friday
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
A massive thank you to our friends and our partners over at fly.io. That is the home of changelog.com. Fly is a public cloud built for developers who ship. Over 3 million apps have launched on Fly, and you can too. Deploy your app in five minutes at fly.io. Okay, let's ergodox. Hey, friends. I'm here with Dave Rosenthal, CTO of Sentry.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
This was nine years ago, is that right? 2015. Wow. It was a different time than I think. It was very popular. It still is popular, but I'm not sure how very popular it is. Crowdfunding or keyboards? Crowdfunding was very popular a decade ago, basically. Even more so. Kickstarter was a big thing. Trendy. Yeah, that was the place to launch a new, innovative thing.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
And I think if you're going to break the mold on keyboards and do all the assembly, all the hard parts of... I mean, it's already hard to change your keyboard layout, right? It's already hard to even change your keyboard.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
But my password matching certain keys for a length of time.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Don't need to actually type something in or, you know, it can actually bypass the biometric. Because if you've got this crazy keyboard anyways, I'm thinking like Mission Impossible, right? When they break into the person's... Go all the way. Yeah, they get into the henchman's lair and they go and they access the keyboard. And it's like, I can't even operate this thing because it's this...
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
So, Dave, I know lots of developers know about Sentry, know about the platform because, hey, we use Sentry and we love Sentry. And I know tracing is one of the next big frontiers for Sentry. Why add tracing to the platform? Why tracing and why now?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards (Interview)
Let me ask you a question. If that's the way you do it, right? You've got this modified way, maybe even it's muscle memory because you do it daily. Sure. And we're hanging out at a conference and I'm like, okay, there is a hop on my machine real quick and do something. Are you, do you have to like unwire your brain to transpose back to a normal keyboard?