Erez Zukerman
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Not RPG so much, but certain board games. And I was thinking a lot about your standard deck of cards, which is such an incredibly versatile tool. I'm talking... The deck of cards you can get at any store, not mine, just your regular 52-card deck.
Not RPG so much, but certain board games. And I was thinking a lot about your standard deck of cards, which is such an incredibly versatile tool. I'm talking... The deck of cards you can get at any store, not mine, just your regular 52-card deck.
You have one of those in your pocket or in your glove compartment. That's a gaming system. That is a portable gaming system, just a regular deck of cards. You can do so much with it, like one-person, two-person games. You can have four people, and there's entire books, and there's websites. By the way, an awesome website, Pagat, P-A-G-A-T.com. That's a website dedicated to card games.
You have one of those in your pocket or in your glove compartment. That's a gaming system. That is a portable gaming system, just a regular deck of cards. You can do so much with it, like one-person, two-person games. You can have four people, and there's entire books, and there's websites. By the way, an awesome website, Pagat, P-A-G-A-T.com. That's a website dedicated to card games.
All you need is a deck of cards. And I saw that and I was like, wow, man, I wonder if there is a way to make a deck of cards that is even more versatile, that you can do even more with and use in even more ways. And what do you know, I'm not the first who had that idea. And I embarked on a little research expedition. And I found all sorts of, these are called multi-decks.
All you need is a deck of cards. And I saw that and I was like, wow, man, I wonder if there is a way to make a deck of cards that is even more versatile, that you can do even more with and use in even more ways. And what do you know, I'm not the first who had that idea. And I embarked on a little research expedition. And I found all sorts of, these are called multi-decks.
I found all sorts of these so-called multi-decks. And one of them was particularly great. It was, it is, it's around. It's called the Everdeck. And it's by this very talented designer called Will Hsu, Will Hsu. And he did something super creative there with very elegantly adding on cards and fleshing out the idea of a card deck, but making it super powered.
I found all sorts of these so-called multi-decks. And one of them was particularly great. It was, it is, it's around. It's called the Everdeck. And it's by this very talented designer called Will Hsu, Will Hsu. And he did something super creative there with very elegantly adding on cards and fleshing out the idea of a card deck, but making it super powered.
So I emailed him and I said, hey, well, you know, maybe we can do something like maybe you can advise us on our own card deck that would borrow some of your data structures because a card deck is really a data structure. If you think about it, it's a... So that would let us borrow, or it's really multiple data structures bound up together.
So I emailed him and I said, hey, well, you know, maybe we can do something like maybe you can advise us on our own card deck that would borrow some of your data structures because a card deck is really a data structure. If you think about it, it's a... So that would let us borrow, or it's really multiple data structures bound up together.
So if you could help us kind of design that, the data architecture, and he helped us He was very gracious, very generous, helped us come up with what would be the numbers on the cards or things like that. And then I took oblique strategies. Are you familiar with that?
So if you could help us kind of design that, the data architecture, and he helped us He was very gracious, very generous, helped us come up with what would be the numbers on the cards or things like that. And then I took oblique strategies. Are you familiar with that?
Okay, so that's Brian Eno, the musician. And he, way back in the 70s, I think, came up with a deck of cards that just had slogans on them, had phrases that would help you break through creative ruts. And that was really inspiring to me. And so I wanted to include not those direct ones, of course, but in similar vein and slowly over the course.
Okay, so that's Brian Eno, the musician. And he, way back in the 70s, I think, came up with a deck of cards that just had slogans on them, had phrases that would help you break through creative ruts. And that was really inspiring to me. And so I wanted to include not those direct ones, of course, but in similar vein and slowly over the course.
And then of course, we wanted some of the cards to have graphics on them. All the cards have graphics, but we wanted some in full color. So then we made that into a complete art ensemble project where we paid eight different artists each to make a part of the deck in their own style. And then we get to feature those artists and share who they are and all that.
And then of course, we wanted some of the cards to have graphics on them. All the cards have graphics, but we wanted some in full color. So then we made that into a complete art ensemble project where we paid eight different artists each to make a part of the deck in their own style. And then we get to feature those artists and share who they are and all that.
And then of course came the manufacturing part, which was also its own adventure because this product is made in China. It's actually our first product that's made in China. And that was a whole exploration around, okay, so how do I guarantee manufacturing conditions in China. And it turns out the toy industry has its own certification to make sure that the product is made ethically.
And then of course came the manufacturing part, which was also its own adventure because this product is made in China. It's actually our first product that's made in China. And that was a whole exploration around, okay, so how do I guarantee manufacturing conditions in China. And it turns out the toy industry has its own certification to make sure that the product is made ethically.
And how do I make sure the paper is sustainable? And that was a whole adventure there. And ta-da, a deck of cards. It's 120 cards. They come in two boxes. Like you have an overall big box, which then contains two smaller packs that are like pocket-sized.
And how do I make sure the paper is sustainable? And that was a whole adventure there. And ta-da, a deck of cards. It's 120 cards. They come in two boxes. Like you have an overall big box, which then contains two smaller packs that are like pocket-sized.