Emily Freeman
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Which is who they're selling it to, right? Like they want you to, they want to tap into your nostalgia and now you have kids or whatever. You have more money than you did before and you're going to take everybody to the theater and they need to at least satisfy the person with the wallet.
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They've already gotten our money.
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That is the game. That's why I'm just making my kids watch all the old movies that I thought were good. And then I watch them again. I'm like, it was good when I watched it the first time, guys.
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But there's like a certain level of ability to make movies that advanced. Right. Where we kind of hit that plateau now.
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They really are. Here's one I didn't see, but I think Adam saw. What about the Blade Runner reboot? Adam, was that one good?
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I would just say it's a good movie.
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Yeah. Okay. I'm just lowering the bar so we can get some winners. That's all.
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I was not like, no, I made it to the end, but I didn't know it was going to be the first half of a movie. So I was like, no, I did finish it. And I'm like, what? Seriously? Like they should have put doing one when you go, but they didn't just call it dune. So I expected to be a full movie. It's like, if I would've got 50% off, I'd be less. Right.
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I pay half the fee.
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That's right. I remember getting like two thirds of the way through. I'm like, dang, they have a lot more to talk about. How are they going to get through all this?
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Adam, did you read the books? Did anybody read the books?
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Okay, so this person knows what they're doing.
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There's two good movies about enemies. Enemy of the gate. And then less good, but still pretty good as enemy of the state. Back when I liked Will Smith more.
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You brought the DVD or the Blu-ray, because isn't that 720p?
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It's fine. Like, 480i, probably.
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Oh, off the internet. Okay. Yeah.
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On the street corner or something.
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So you meet somebody at Starbucks to buy a $2 version of Enemy of the State? I mean, this is hilarious. I love it. Why not? Yeah. Because they could murder you? I don't know. What is out of character here?
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Two pedals, used DVDs at Starbucks. It's just a world. I didn't know this world existed. Adam, you would never do a used DVD. This guy goes highest quality everything, right?
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Well, we are here with our good friend and Ship It co-host, Justin Garrison. Hey, man. How are you? Hey. What's up? How's it going? It's going well. You know, three-day weekend. Back at it. No complaints. No complaints.
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And they changed the movies.
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To answer your question in the meantime, I'm not a gun person, but I hang out with a lot of them, so I know the lingo. I do not strap myself.
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I'm like, where's he going with this?
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Oh, I want to hear more. Okay. I mean, obviously I hear the theory, but please expound.
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Toy Story. I got a better year for you, but that's just one point.
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I mean, I'm sure I could complain if you asked me to.
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99 had a better year. Well, 1999 is the best year ever. So we can't really even compare.
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Oh my goodness. Here we are again. Adam, do you want to get the list out? It's a long list. We can go 30 movies deep and you'll still be saying that's a good movie. I'm serious. It's insane. There's, there's a book written about it apparently. Yeah.
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For sure. I remember the first time they put cheese in the crust of pizza. Stuffed crust, yes. Stuffed crust. And I was like, wait, there's cheese inside the crust?
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Float around. That's the kind of innovation that we're lacking now.
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Right. Let's compress five days of work into four days, which is what we're doing today.
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Like some sort of chicken bone.
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And they all fall for it, huh?
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She doesn't know. She just met them.
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They are merely her subjects. 100%
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Was it the second one? Jurassic World, maybe.
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Jurassic Parks? What was the second one? They're going to two parks on this one.
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Yeah, exactly. I hit them all.
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For sure. Yeah. For sure. And the music. Holy cow.
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Unacceptable. Unacceptable. That voice is Emily Freeman, our new friend. Emily and I met briefly at All Things Open, but Adam's meeting Emily for the first time. And Justin and Emily, you guys are old friends from, this is like AWS.
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We're just stalling for Justin. What year was it, Justin? I'm still looking. Okay.
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That'd be the third one, though.
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So I'm trying to find, what was the second one called? I think Jurassic World was the name of it. Maybe that's why I screwed up. But I could be wrong.
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It's like when you wear the EGOT award when you were. Yeah. They don't do that. They don't do that all in one year, do they? That's when you win a Grammy, a Tony, an Oscar. And an Emmy. I don't know about that. Emmy.
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Did that get turned into a movie?
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You should have started a book review service.
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It doesn't really matter what year it was. Well, that's somehow a hard segue into DevRel and careers because there's no possible way of getting there with my limited skillset.
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Meetup kind of a thing. How'd y'all meet?
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Years and years of DMs. Funny how relationships can form via something like that. It's such a small mechanism for communication, but there you go.
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Emily, you were the mayor of AWS when I met you.
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Tell us about your role there and then what happened since then because things have changed.
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There is like another level of intimacy there. I remember somebody who I was like internet friends with and suddenly we had our each other's phone numbers. And I'm like, I feel like this is weirder, not bad, weird, but just like, I wasn't ready for that. It's another level in the relationship. Yeah.
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Big fans of Forrest. For our listener, if you don't know Forrest Brazil, go back in our back catalog. I did a song encoder episode all about him, featuring him on a lot of the songs he's made up over the years. Although now probably it's outdated. He's continued to just crank out amazing cartoons, music, just very talented communicator. Super talented.
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Yeah, he is. And like classically trained on piano and I think even voice. I don't know. Very good. So you jumped off the ledge. I did. And you landed. How did you have the confidence to do that? I mean, you probably were getting paid well there and you're supposed to be happy and all this kind of stuff.
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Justin or Adam, have you ever been in such a precarious circumstance as Emily's where it's like my health is suffering. If I don't make a dramatic change, I'm going to damage myself.
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Or Slack, like a Slack message.
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And your answer was just to hold out for the next lily pad.
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Is the floor lava? Is the floor lava. Isn't it always?
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Yeah, but Emily couldn't see any lily pads. She just jumped, right? You didn't have a plan.
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But were you thinking, I need six months, I need three months, I need a year?
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Same phone, different app. I don't know. I don't think I'm along with that sensation, am I?
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Isn't that what sabbaticals are all about? Are there companies? I think there were at one point, maybe this was a Zerp phenomenon, but where there are companies that would allow for sabbaticals that were like six weeks, eight weeks and,
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It's not a yearly thing. I had a friend who worked at PayPal, and I think he got one every five years while he worked there. Which was long enough where I remember him going on multiple sabbaticals. I've known him for a long time. And of course, the fear is like, when I get back, is my job going to be still there? Because they got to replace you for eight weeks.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, of course. My home phone, but not my first. Actually, I do. My very first cell phone number is still my phone number. That's crazy.
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They start to wonder, is this person necessary? Of course, he had that little bit of a fear in there. But I'm not sure if that's still PayPal's standard. But I know they allowed, I think, a six or eight week sabbatical once every five years.
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Oh, I know it because Natalie Pisanovic, our friend from GoTime, Natalie, she disappears every August.
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She lives in Berlin and she works, you know, on GoTime throughout the year. And then she's like, I'll be back in September. I'm like, you're not from around these parts, are you? Yeah.
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Yeah, exactly. So there's, there's that, I guess. But what I was wondering, Emily, at any point, did you consider, which is kind of cliche, but people are doing it like just trying something completely different. You know, like Sarda company that organizes closets.
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I mean, after the after the rejuvenating period now versus going back into it.
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And they have to be trained.
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For sure. For sure. More debt.
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They got somewhere along the lines, a regulator came by and said, phone number portability is like, you have to allow it. Didn't they? Yeah.
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It was insane. I think a lot of the thoughts that I've had, and Adam, you as well, maybe you can speak to this because you're always talking about boring businesses and kind of brick and mortar. And like my thoughts are always like, couldn't I start a regular business and use my software and tech skills in order to be better than other people at that particular thing? I've never tried it.
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So it's just a pipe dream, if you will. But Adam, you're always talking about coffee business and,
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That's like the old school version of like rebuilding your follower list. Right? Like I gotta go. Yeah. Like network portability is an old thing, I guess.
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Yeah. You can't get away from it now because you have that phone number.
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Is there more to the story? Is it worth it?
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actually clicking through that's not the primary goal I'm way back on the concept of all of this AI slop has made humans more valuable like I'm just I'm just as a human I'm reveling in the fact that at least for now that differentiating factor is like they can't copy that you know like they can they can put out all the stuff they want to and
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But the robots cannot copy our actual humanity at this point. And so that connection is real. That humanity is real. And as much as if you are a content creator, the more human you can be, the more voice you can have that is you, the better off you are versus trying to churn, I guess, or to crank.
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Where you can't win that battle.
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They're not worried about it. They have mountains, you know?
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That's funny. That reminds me of the old ICQ number. I'm not sure how long y'all have been around, but ICQ was one of the OG chat networks. And having the smallest ICQ number, because they were just auto-incrementing or something like this, was very cool. You could actually buy ICQ numbers on eBay that were smaller than yours.
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Well said any final words, Justin, Emily, Adam, that was Adam's final words. That's why I didn't offer him to you. I figured those are your last word. Do you want to, you want some more words? We got three minutes.
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You do. I think that a lot of blog posts,
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whose team are you on? I don't know.
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well said team human is gonna win because emily said it best all right that's our show thanks emily this has been awesome justin bye friends bye friends Okay, so it may have taken us too long to find our way to the main topic on this one, but we had a lot of fun along the way. So maybe that's not a bad thing.
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Part of me thinks these windy, laugh-filled conversations are exactly what change-logging friends are all about. And the other part of me is like, give the people what they came for, which is hard-won, tech-focused knowledge from people who really know their stuff, like Emily. What do you think? We would love to hear from you. Let us know in the comments. Link in the show notes. Here's a deal.
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Like that's who, yeah, but that ruins the scarcity problem.
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Well, that was the funny thing was one of my friends, I think it was Nick Nisi, but I could be wrong. They're like, I had to get on blue sky and get my, my domain as my name. And I was like, yeah, but you own the domain. Like what's the, what's the rush? You know, isn't that kind of the point? Like you didn't have to get, I don't know. I think it's a cool feature.
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I just don't see why that is like incentivizing necessarily. I do think it's a cool feature though.
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What's that? Don't have no beef.
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No beef. I don't have any blue sky beef. I just don't have any interest. I have, it's like, I have enough social networks. Thank you very much.
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And you have to kind of like pick a new horse. And I was, I thought Macedon was cool, you know? Yeah. And it's like, it's just a little bit boring, but it's still nice. And I don't know, they all kind of just have their own ways of sucking. And so there we are. Exactly.
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Meanwhile, the only phone number on the internet now, apparently some reason is a LinkedIn account. How weird is that? Like now that's the only place everyone is.
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I feel like Adam, you were ahead of your time. Cause he was, he, he loves LinkedIn.
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Oh, well, there's more places now.
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I mean, that's not necessarily the point, but I just feel like it's giving me a reason that I can just say this without being a jerk. That's fair.
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Maybe I should start trying that. I'm more like follow the rules guy. So I'm like, I'm sorry, but I don't know you.
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But they have decided now they have fault. Now you can just follow without actually reciprocating. And so they're trying to be more of that asynchronous.
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I think that's everybody at this point. But I do know there was kind of an upgraded account for a while. The weirdest thing about LinkedIn, I don't know how long we want to talk about this topic, but let's go one layer deeper. The weirdest thing about LinkedIn is how they don't care about freshness whatsoever.
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And so as a person who's there to see what's going on, like you see something, you're like, oh, that's interesting. It was like three weeks ago, which is fine for evergreen content. But a lot of times it's like not evergreen at all. And you're like, oh, this is really old. It's kind of, I don't know.
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Yes. So much so that I've actually deleted and put back on the X app from my phone multiple times. Because I just don't want to deal with it anymore. So I delete it. Yeah. And then like something breaking news happens. Like I think of the assassination attempt was one. And then just like locally weather alerts here in Omaha come faster through Twitter. I'm not going to download my, they do.
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I'm not going to, I'm not going to download my, my local news channels app. I'm just not going to do it. I'd rather get the Twitter app. Oh yeah. If it's like, if there's actual tornadoes coming through, which we've had some serious storms this summer, you're going to find out about it minutes before.
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on twitter and those minutes actually matter when you're driving down the street wondering where is the tornado and so for that i like i installed the app again i'm like dang it i'm back i'm back on the app again that's shocking i'm just envisioning jared driving down the road looking at his phone checking twitter while there's tornadoes 100 descending i'm not sure where the tornado is but that's a hilarious meme right there is this tornado yeah do you have a shelter like in your house
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Um, no, we all have basements here. So the basement is usually good enough. I know some places don't have basements readily, but there are folks who have shelters, but for the most part, just get, get as low as you can.
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Cellar dweller club.
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Yeah, it's kind of funny. You can tell all the different kinds of people there are depending on how they react to the tornadoes. You know, I'm somewhat cautious and I'm like, and my wife is more like, it's not going to hit here, you know, and I want to be, I want to be like manly and stuff. And I'm like, seriously, we should go hide right now because it's getting pretty close.
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You know, she's like, no, it's not. I'm like, oh no. So we have that fun dynamic. Some people will sit on their back porch and like watch the tornado come through.
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And other people are literally like driving to Iowa to get away from it. So yeah.
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Bill Paxton was cool.
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Well, it's kind of like we were Alien and then Aliens. Oh, yeah. I was like, ooh, they just upped the ante.
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Don't bleep yet, but go ahead. I agree. I'm not going to see Beetlejuice Beetlejuice out of principle. What? Why? Yeah, why? Because they take everything that I love and is dear to me as a child and then they bastardize it and sell it to me again.
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No. I mean, name a good reboot. It's harder than naming a bunch of bad ones. We could all name bad ones.
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We may not think of one collectively. Somebody will. Yeah. There are few and far between.