Elizabeth Popperman

You know, how has this changed over time? That is literally why I called you.

We'd had advances in things like radar and sonar and who knows what the next advance is going to be that's going to help us kind of maintain our defense edge.

Yeah, other R's, yeah.

These are new industries that are very clearly grounded in research that was originally done in universities. And so just like at the end of World War II, the long-term benefits are hard to predict, but they're also really large and significant when they do come.

There was kind of a little bit of an anti-patent attitude in general that you know, we're universities, we create stuff that's supposed to be publicly available knowledge. And so this isn't something that's appropriate for us to be doing.

I think there's lots of ways you could imagine it being better or places where You could want to reform it.