Elaine Boyes
Appearances
Sea of Lies from Uncover
S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
That was a bit of a shock, really. He said, I like you. He said, I like your attitude. I like your friendliness. He said, I really could do with somebody like you working for me.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
First of all, he said, we could set up an antique business selling antiques. And I said, well, to be perfectly honest, I don't know anything about antiques. So he said, well, what about a secretarial agency? Do you fancy running a secretarial agency? I said, no way. That's the last thing I'd want to do.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
I said that if I was really honest and I wanted to set up a business, I would set up doing photography because that's something I had considered.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
So he said, that is absolutely brilliant. We could do that. He said, and what I could do is send you to Geneva and you could photograph the fountains of Geneva. He said, because they've got the most amazing fountains. He said, we could do one of these coffee table books with all the fountains of Geneva. He said, that would be absolutely brilliant.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
And I actually said, you don't know me from Adam. I said, you don't know anything about me.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
The other thing is we're saving up to go to live in Canada with my boyfriend because he's crazy about Canada and he wants to move to Canada. So if I took a job for you, I wouldn't be working for you for very long.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
It would be great, he said, because you could save up. I could pay you more than you're earning a year and you can then save up to go to Canada. You get there quicker. It was just like he wanted me, he wanted to do a business that I would be happy doing. You know, if I'd have said, let's do a sweet shop, I bet you would have done that.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
Like he wouldn't leave unless I'd agreed to work for him. It felt like that. So I said, look, I'll tell you what, I'll give you my business card and let me have a think about it. You go back to London, you give yourself some time to think about it. And the next time you're up in Harrogate looking for properties, give me a call and we'll go from there.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
And he said, you know, this is a really, truly serendipitous meeting, he said. And he was so full of joy.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
When I look back, for him, that was a so intrepid meeting. He saw gold when he walked in the office.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
I didn't know what to think, to be honest. And I really thought it was just a bit of a fantasy or a joke. I thought, this isn't really happening. This isn't really true.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
I said, you would not believe it. This man's walked in and has offered me a job doing virtually anything I want.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
That's what it came across as. And Ron said, oh, you want to be careful. You don't know anything about him. You want to be really careful.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
He's gone back to London and that'll probably be it.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
And then to be honest, I went back to work and I completely forgot about it. But then... A phone call out of the blue and it was David Davis. Oh, hi, he says, it's David Davis from London. He said, I'm coming up to Harrogate on a week on Thursday. How about we meet up and go for a coffee? So I said, yeah, that'll be fine.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
He asked me about the job. Had I considered the job? Did I fancy working for him? What did Ron think about it? So we had conversations around that, and he could tell that I was a bit hesitant, wasn't sure.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
He said, well, I think really it would be a good idea if I met Ron and then he could see and meet me and then he might feel more comfortable.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
It was amazing, actually. They just clicked, really. They hit it off together. And it was the North American accent. And of course, Ron, actually, I could see he was coming out speaking with a soft North American accent. And it was in his element. They were sat there chatting like buddies.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
He just turned to me and said, how do you fancy working for me then? So I looked at Ron and said, what do you think, Ron? And Ron just shrugged his shoulders and didn't really say anything.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
So I said, well, why not? What have I got to lose? Why not? Okay. So he said, great. It's great to have you on board.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
Just before he went to get the train back to London, he said, how do you guys fancy in a few weeks time coming down to London and we'll put you up in a hotel for the weekend. And he said, you can meet my daughter, Noelle, and we'll go out for dinner. And we said, oh, wow, that'd be great. We went to a restaurant called the Thai Elephant in London, and it was amazing.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
The decor was like you were in Thailand.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
She was a very polite young lady, very attractive young lady. Didn't say a lot, really. Didn't say a lot. She was sort of a bit in awe of her dad. Her dad did all the talking, to be honest.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
He took over. He got the menu and he chose. He said, what we'll do is we'll have the set menu for four.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
Oh, gosh. Oh, it is really. It's a difficult one, this one, because I've got to talk about what he did really, how he approached it. Let me put myself back there.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
photographs of the fountains of Geneva and photograph the properties. That was the initial job. And then what happened was, at the first time going, he said he would meet me at King's Cross.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
So when we get to the airport hotel, he signs in, he pays for the room. And then this is the difficult bit to talk about, to be honest. He then says, I thought it would be a good idea if we had dinner at the hotel. So we have a nice dinner at the hotel, at the airport hotel. And then he goes to reception. He pays for the bill.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
And I'm thinking that any moment now he's going to say goodbye and he's going to go away. And he is struggling to part. And then he says, he says, is it OK to have a look at your room? And I sort of thought, what? To myself? And he says, yeah, I'm curious to have a look at your room. And I'm thinking, well, I can't say no, can I?
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
I don't know how to say this, but there was a sense of fear.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
I did consider contacting the local police in Harrogate and asking if there was any way they could do a background check on him. And then I thought to myself, they won't be able to do that. People don't do that. And also I did think to myself that if I asked the police to do a background check on him, to suss out who he was, who was David Davis, that he might find that out.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
And if he found out that I was suspicious of him in any shape or form, I just had a feeling that that wasn't a good thing. That wouldn't have been a good thing, would it? It certainly wouldn't have been a good thing, that.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
He can't really be looking at rooms. He said he travels here and travels there. So why on earth would he want to look at a room?
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
And he sits on the edge of the bed nearest the window and I'm near the door.
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And then he sits on the bed and says, well, I really hope you have a good time in Geneva. And I hope you look at this as a bit of a holiday for you as well.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
And he said, but while you're there, could you do me a favor? Yeah. And I said, what do you mean? He says, well, and he reaches into his jacket pocket and he pulls out an envelope with some Swiss francs in it.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
Well, he pulls it out and he says, I've got Swiss francs. He said, would you change this money for me into sterling?
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
And I looked puzzled and a bit shocked, and I said, oh, I don't know, David, I don't think this is legal. He smiled his warm smile. He says, in Geneva, there's bureau de changes everywhere. People are doing this all the time in Geneva, changing money. That's what goes on. That's what Geneva is about.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
He said, this is my money, and all I'm asking you to do is change my money from Swiss francs into sterling. So I reluctantly said, okay. I had to get rid of him, basically, out of the room. But I was very, very perturbed about it.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
Oh, gosh, this is the difficult bit to talk about, to be honest. I'd better be careful what I say on here. Better be careful.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
As soon as he'd gone, I phoned Ron. I said, phone me straight back, won't you? Because it was going to cost, obviously, a hotel telephone bill. So I said, phone me straight back, and I explained what had happened.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
And he put me at ease. He said, look, he knows what he's doing. He's a businessman. He's obviously done this before, you know. And just, I said, oh, okay then. So that's how it all, that's how that started, really.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
But of course, I never realized that he had a secret agenda. Well, he did have an agenda, didn't he? Yeah.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
It was all very strange, to be perfectly honest.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
One time he put extra money in the envelope for me to change. So I thought, what's going on here? So he was testing me. He was testing my honesty.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
For example, he once told me that he'd been in New York. I don't know what it was, but he said he'd witnessed somebody being crushed to death. And I thought, what a bizarre thing to tell me. And it was just something he was discussing over lunch. And I thought, is this something he's read in a book or is this something he's actually telling me?
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
And to me, I think it was instilling a sense of unconscious fear. That's what it felt like. Because it's like, normally you would say, well, what do you mean, David? What do you mean you saw somebody crushed to death? But something said, don't go there, don't ask. So I just didn't ask.
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It was then that he told us that he'd bought a business off the shelf.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
And it was then that he told me that he wanted Ron and I to be directors.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
I thought, well, why isn't he being a director? He said, I want you and Ron to be directors because I don't want my name on any of the paperwork because my wife is after me.
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He said, I'm concerned because I think she's hired a private detective because she's after me for alimony.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
If he sensed that I was maybe perturbed, he was able to deflect that and put the positive aspect on it.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
He was so convincing. He was so plausible. When he explained stuff, it sort of, oh yeah, that makes sense. Even though nagging in the back of your mind might be thinking, oh, he was just so clever at being able to put you at ease.
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It didn't really say. It never really got discussed and was developed.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
He encouraged Ron and I to purchase an apartment in Harrogate.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
And that will help you get to Canada. So we ended up buying an apartment there. Oh, my dear, it's complicated. It really is complicated. So what happened was I couldn't get a mortgage because I didn't earn enough money to pay for the mortgage on the apartment. He said, don't worry about that. He said, Cavendish will pay the other half and you can pay me with your wages.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
So he was actually getting his own money back.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
I can't believe I'm saying all this, to be honest.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
He said, I've got something to show you. And we drive to an area in Harrogate, pull up outside on this street, and there's this business that's empty. And he says, what do you think? And I said, what do you mean, what do you think? He says, well, wouldn't it be suitable for Ron to set up a TV repair business there?
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
Oh, I don't know. I don't think he'd want to do that. He wants to go to Canada. He said, yeah, but if you set up a business, you'd make some money to go to Canada. And I said, yeah, but it takes time to build up a business. Then he explained it to Ron, and Ron wasn't keen at all, but he managed to persuade him to do it.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
I think it all happened within a year.
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We'd exchange a Christmas present to each other and then he gives us a card. He gives me the card and I open the card and in it is this Christmas card that says to Ron and Elaine, I will purchase, pay for two flights to Canada if you go by the end of February.
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When I read it, I'm actually quite shocked because I think, wait a minute, this is 25th of December and he's talking about us going to Canada by the end of February.
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How on earth are we going to wind down the business, sell an apartment? And it's all so quick. It's weeks, isn't it?
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
So I was initially just shocked and Ron just beamed from ear to ear. Finally, I'm going to Canada. He was happy as Larry, but I underneath it. I was camouflaging that because I didn't want to spoil Christmas Day.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
Because I'd had quite a difficult childhood. I remember my dad used to argue a lot and my dad could be quite violent. You do everything to appease and you avoid conflict and that's what I was like. This compliant female that's very friendly and outgoing on the surface but underneath it she's not going to ask too many questions.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
Ron said to me on the phone, he said, I'm coming back to England. And he said, Mr. Davis has offered to meet me at the airport. And I had a horrible doubt feeling.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
Sometimes you've got to trust your gut instinct, and my gut instinct said he was involved. In what shape or form, I didn't know, obviously, I wouldn't know, but he was involved and he was covering it up. And I have to say, I don't like people getting away with things.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
Well, meeting Rowan was interesting because it was a blind date. I was introduced by two friends. They kept pastoring me, actually, for about a week. They kept saying, we've got this chap, we'd like you to meet this chap.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
It was January 1980 or 81. It was absolutely freezing, and we met up in a pub.
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Oh, gosh. I would say he looked like a good-looking Cliff Richard now. Cliff Richard is good looking, but he reminded me of Cliff Richard.
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His eyes. Again, it's his eyes. Yeah, yeah. He's got brooding eyes. He's got depth eyes.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
I managed to get him to talk about photography and things that he's interested in, and we hit it off quite well, yeah.
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When we left the pub, he said to me, he said, how do you fancy meeting and going to York tomorrow for the day? And I thought, oh, that'd be nice. So we did.
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I felt safe in his company. Ron was very placid, very quiet. He seemed very caring. And I felt safe with him. I felt safe around him.
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He had this rack system installed. One of his main passions was hi-fi equipment. It was a Pioneer rack system with these huge speakers. I've never seen anything so big. And he was so proud to put it on and show me his hi-fi equipment. It looked like jewellery and he touched the, what do you call them, the knobs like they were jewellery. And the first track he put on was Paul Simon, I Am A Rock.
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It was heaven. It came out of the speakers, the sound, and it was like, wow.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
As time went on, he got depressed, and I came to realize that he probably would never be happy until he went back to Canada, because he would be constantly talking about it.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
In walked this gentleman and he inquired about, well, it was a painting that was in a display cabinet outside on the pavement there.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
And we had a chat about auctions and about fine art, and that was really how I met him.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
He seemed like a gentleman, well-spoken, polite. He had a presence about him, and he seemed very warm. He came across as American. He said he was living in London. He didn't like London. He didn't like the smog. He didn't like the dirt.
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S32 E2: When Ron Met Ron | Sea of Lies
An hour of conversation passed in a blink, when finally... He said, I'm thinking of setting up a business locally, and I think you'd be a great person to work for me.
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S32 E7: Plausible, Intelligent and Ruthless | Sea of Lies
And there was a point in his evidence when they stopped for a break. And in that break, he's sat there in his suit looking like a perfect gentleman, businessman. And he scans and he's looking around the court, cool as a cucumber, and he catches my eye. And I actually think, I'm going to beat you. I'm going to beat you, mate. And I tried to stare him out.
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And I stared and I stared and he stared as well. And I couldn't do it any longer. I just had to turn away. So he beat me. He beat me.
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It had to be unanimous, a unanimous verdict. And I thought, oh gosh, this is going to be hard. What if one person, what if that little old dear in that corner decides that he might be innocent?
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Everybody went to the local cafe in the courtyard there and were all waiting and speculating.
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And we all rushed back up to the court. And I remember thinking to myself, there's only one person in the public gallery that this really, really affects. And I thought, that's me. I said, I now really hope and pray that it's unanimous.
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I remember looking at him and thought, he just looked like a lost little boy. He looked like a naughty little boy that was in the corner being told off. He didn't look as arrogant as he had done through the trial. So that was a good moment. Yeah. Yeah, it was. What a relief. Can you imagine what it would have felt like if he'd have got away with it?
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But I feel really happy that the jury's come to the correct decision. I mean, they really have.
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How do I want him to be remembered? As the kind and compassionate person that he was. He was very kind and very compassionate. And he was the perfect gentleman, unlike Albert Walker, of course. He was the perfect gentleman and he was always a gentleman. A very gentle soul. Didn't deserve to have his life taken like this. Yeah.
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I don't know why, but quite often the people that get murdered are the good, the kind, the generous. And yet I just don't understand it. I can't get my head around it. I can't get my head why people kill other people when they're gentle souls. I just can't get my head around it. I don't suppose they ever will, really.
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I'd actually gone for counseling beforehand and I was explained what to wear and how to ground myself.
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I actually went in there feeling quite powerful, if that's the right word. That's not the right word, really, powerful, but yeah, it'll do.
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S32 E5: Life on The Lam | Sea of Lies
If they didn't have enough evidence, they would have released him on the Monday. And I actually got across to them very clearly because I was really worried about it. I said, if you let him go, you'll lose him. He'll escape. I said, he's got loads of money. I said, he'll just disappear.
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We can only hold him for so many hours and we need as much information as we can. So I agreed. I said, OK.
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S32 E5: Life on The Lam | Sea of Lies
A 30-page statement. It was the longest statement that this particular detective had ever done. 30 pages.
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In the conversation about when they arrested Noel and David Davis, the detective started talking about David Davis and they were talking about his children.
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And I said, oh, yeah, I said, there's Jill, who lives in New York. There's Noelle, who's with dad. And there's a younger one called Heather.
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And she said, no, I'm talking about her children, Noelle's children.
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And I'm not kidding you. You know when you say that expression, my chin just dropped to the floor. I just was like, huh? What? How could she have children?
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She didn't have a boyfriend in Harrogate when I knew her. So why? How? It didn't make sense. It didn't make sense.
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I said, no, no, no, she's definitely his daughter. I said, she looked up to him like a daughter looks up to a father. And she said, well, I think we believe that they're husband and wife.
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She was using my identity. So that was another shock. I thought, what? I couldn't believe it. I still can't believe it now. Yeah. Unbelievable.