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Well, I want to say, Charlie, thank you. What you mean is you were very supportive of me in the present. I was his pick. But so many of your listeners stepped up and made calls and put in a good word. So thank you for, you know, the Charlie Kirk army. Look, you know, Donald Trump does this all the time. It's like his whole life. It's the art of the comeback, whatever you call it.
Well, I want to say, Charlie, thank you. What you mean is you were very supportive of me in the present. I was his pick. But so many of your listeners stepped up and made calls and put in a good word. So thank you for, you know, the Charlie Kirk army. Look, you know, Donald Trump does this all the time. It's like his whole life. It's the art of the comeback, whatever you call it.
We got stuck where if we were going to get through to get confirmed. If I was going to get through as his pick, it would take so much effort and so much going on. I had the votes on the floor. We just had this problem on the committee. So the president said, you know what? I got Judge Jeanine Pirro. I'm going to put in that spot. She'll be awesome. I've been working with her already.
We got stuck where if we were going to get through to get confirmed. If I was going to get through as his pick, it would take so much effort and so much going on. I had the votes on the floor. We just had this problem on the committee. So the president said, you know what? I got Judge Jeanine Pirro. I'm going to put in that spot. She'll be awesome. I've been working with her already.
But he also said to me, go back over to the Department of Justice. There already is a weaponization working group that's already been at a bunch of the tasks. Jack Smith and his weaponization of government. Why do we target the Catholics? Why do we target school board families? We've already been working on getting to the bottom of this.
But he also said to me, go back over to the Department of Justice. There already is a weaponization working group that's already been at a bunch of the tasks. Jack Smith and his weaponization of government. Why do we target the Catholics? Why do we target school board families? We've already been working on getting to the bottom of this.
And the president kind of said, go be the captain of that ship and fight that fight. And I'm excited to do that. He also made me, Charlie, the pardon attorney for the United States. And you know, because you know him pretty well, he really has loved politics. Being able to not pardon the flashy ones that people know, but people that need a chance.
And the president kind of said, go be the captain of that ship and fight that fight. And I'm excited to do that. He also made me, Charlie, the pardon attorney for the United States. And you know, because you know him pretty well, he really has loved politics. Being able to not pardon the flashy ones that people know, but people that need a chance.
Alice Johnson is the pardon czar in the White House. She has this extraordinary life. President Trump has a heart for that kind of kindness. So he made me the head of that. And I tell people, we're going to go find the weaponization. We're going to expose it. We're going to hold people accountable. But we're also going to heal people.
Alice Johnson is the pardon czar in the White House. She has this extraordinary life. President Trump has a heart for that kind of kindness. So he made me the head of that. And I tell people, we're going to go find the weaponization. We're going to expose it. We're going to hold people accountable. But we're also going to heal people.
And one of the ways you heal people is get them out of jail, which is a pardon. And maybe there's other ways you can do that. So it's a great thrill. And, you know, you probably have experiences, Charlie. I never did. President Trump texted me and he said, keep fighting and keep fighting. And I thought, man, if that guy, they shot him. If he's saying keep fighting, that's the least I can do.
And one of the ways you heal people is get them out of jail, which is a pardon. And maybe there's other ways you can do that. So it's a great thrill. And, you know, you probably have experiences, Charlie. I never did. President Trump texted me and he said, keep fighting and keep fighting. And I thought, man, if that guy, they shot him. If he's saying keep fighting, that's the least I can do.
So I'm excited to to be in the fray where we are.
So I'm excited to to be in the fray where we are.
Exactly. No more. I don't have to pull punches at all, right? So my positions are all non-confirmed. I'm not worried about the senators if they have problems with me. It's, as you say, all speed, no brakes. And look, the great thing is it's nationwide. I mean, I loved the U.S. Attorney's Office because it's extraordinary and it's important. But it's an office focused on this work.
Exactly. No more. I don't have to pull punches at all, right? So my positions are all non-confirmed. I'm not worried about the senators if they have problems with me. It's, as you say, all speed, no brakes. And look, the great thing is it's nationwide. I mean, I loved the U.S. Attorney's Office because it's extraordinary and it's important. But it's an office focused on this work.
Now we got this whole nation. And again, one of the things the president does so well is he is about getting the right things done. But he's also about telling us, you know, we need the truth as well as the accountability. What Biden did was he weaponized government against individuals and he lied.
Now we got this whole nation. And again, one of the things the president does so well is he is about getting the right things done. But he's also about telling us, you know, we need the truth as well as the accountability. What Biden did was he weaponized government against individuals and he lied.
We need to tell the truth and hold accountable because people, well, they don't trust us if we don't explain what's going on. And that's one of the reasons why, you know, I got a question about Joe Biden's pardons. They said, you're going to look at it. I said, of course, we're going to look at it. It's an unprecedented act, unprecedented scope, unprecedented in every way.
We need to tell the truth and hold accountable because people, well, they don't trust us if we don't explain what's going on. And that's one of the reasons why, you know, I got a question about Joe Biden's pardons. They said, you're going to look at it. I said, of course, we're going to look at it. It's an unprecedented act, unprecedented scope, unprecedented in every way.
This has never happened what he did. When you see that, you have to say, what's going on here? And people said, what are you talking about? And I said, I'm talking about the truth. That's the truth. Don't lie about it. Don't think we're going to fake it. Don't fake it till you make it. Tell the truth and see.
This has never happened what he did. When you see that, you have to say, what's going on here? And people said, what are you talking about? And I said, I'm talking about the truth. That's the truth. Don't lie about it. Don't think we're going to fake it. Don't fake it till you make it. Tell the truth and see.
By the way, it may be true that pardons are plenary in such a way that even Joe Biden's unprecedented, you know, really unseemly, Ugly pardons might be legal. There might be nothing that is illegal. But let's find out and see for sure, because if it was done by his aide or the auto pen without his knowledge, that's a problem because what else has gone on?
By the way, it may be true that pardons are plenary in such a way that even Joe Biden's unprecedented, you know, really unseemly, Ugly pardons might be legal. There might be nothing that is illegal. But let's find out and see for sure, because if it was done by his aide or the auto pen without his knowledge, that's a problem because what else has gone on?
And again, got to speak the truth, got to keep smiling and got to keep going forward.
And again, got to speak the truth, got to keep smiling and got to keep going forward.
Exactly. Exactly. When I became the U.S. attorney, Charlie, of this office in D.C., Washington, D.C., the prosecutors who destroyed lives of January 6th folks were in the office. Right. So we've been investigating sort of the office and in fact, the horrendous use of the 1512 charge, which was completely made up by Andrew Weissman, Lisa Monaco and others. Why was that used?
Exactly. Exactly. When I became the U.S. attorney, Charlie, of this office in D.C., Washington, D.C., the prosecutors who destroyed lives of January 6th folks were in the office. Right. So we've been investigating sort of the office and in fact, the horrendous use of the 1512 charge, which was completely made up by Andrew Weissman, Lisa Monaco and others. Why was that used?
You know, it was the worst failure of American law and law enforcement in our history, probably at least since FDR put the Japanese Americans in internment camps during World War Two is about the same level. And so who did that? Well, Lisa Monaco did it and Merrick Garland did it. And when we did the investigation and we're still in the middle of it,
You know, it was the worst failure of American law and law enforcement in our history, probably at least since FDR put the Japanese Americans in internment camps during World War Two is about the same level. And so who did that? Well, Lisa Monaco did it and Merrick Garland did it. And when we did the investigation and we're still in the middle of it,
You can see right away, it wasn't being done by line attorneys. I'm not giving them an excuse. I'm not giving, I'm taking away blame. I'm just saying it was being done by the top people as a strategy to get Trump. But let me make sure to go back to your question. This is very important for your listeners and your viewers to know. Our scope is weaponization.
You can see right away, it wasn't being done by line attorneys. I'm not giving them an excuse. I'm not giving, I'm taking away blame. I'm just saying it was being done by the top people as a strategy to get Trump. But let me make sure to go back to your question. This is very important for your listeners and your viewers to know. Our scope is weaponization.
When government became, you know, government used to be politicized. And that's one thing. And, you know, I might not like it maybe back in the days, but when it was weaponized and in the Biden years, they weaponized it. That's to destroy people, to target people and to destroy them, take away their rights, sometimes take away their life, I fear.
When government became, you know, government used to be politicized. And that's one thing. And, you know, I might not like it maybe back in the days, but when it was weaponized and in the Biden years, they weaponized it. That's to destroy people, to target people and to destroy them, take away their rights, sometimes take away their life, I fear.
And so, but Donald Trump said on day one, I want you to get weaponization under control so people can trust the government. On Pam Bondi's day one as attorney general, she gave us a memo and she said, start here. And she gave us a list. She said, you know, I want to know about when the school board parents were targeted. I want you to get to the bottom of that. Right. That happened.
And so, but Donald Trump said on day one, I want you to get weaponization under control so people can trust the government. On Pam Bondi's day one as attorney general, she gave us a memo and she said, start here. And she gave us a list. She said, you know, I want to know about when the school board parents were targeted. I want you to get to the bottom of that. Right. That happened.
I want you to get to the bottom of the Catholics being targeted by the FBI. I want you to get to the bottom of whistleblowers that were being targeted and abused by the Biden administration. Jack Smith and how Jack Smith was working with Letitia James and Alvin Bragg. What was the federal component? It's publicly known that there were federal prosecutors working with them.
I want you to get to the bottom of the Catholics being targeted by the FBI. I want you to get to the bottom of whistleblowers that were being targeted and abused by the Biden administration. Jack Smith and how Jack Smith was working with Letitia James and Alvin Bragg. What was the federal component? It's publicly known that there were federal prosecutors working with them.
What is that to find out how government was weaponized? So we started with a list and we're taking that list up. It will expand. I have personally come to this with a real sense that The attack on lawyers and on the legal system by the bar associations is one that is being used weaponized against the citizens to the detriment of our justice system. So we will expand from that.
What is that to find out how government was weaponized? So we started with a list and we're taking that list up. It will expand. I have personally come to this with a real sense that The attack on lawyers and on the legal system by the bar associations is one that is being used weaponized against the citizens to the detriment of our justice system. So we will expand from that.
But we start with Pam Bondi's list that the president...
But we start with Pam Bondi's list that the president...
fed to her you know gave us through that she gave us through him and we'll go there one quick thing though charlie as the partner attorney i will advocate for people that were wronged and uh there's people already that have come to us and said hey i was targeted by the government they did this to me and and you know what can you do and i want to be an advocate and the president wants this for the people that had uh their their their their rights taken away maybe take it liberty taken away uh we have a whole bunch of people charlie that lost their right for example to have the second amendment
fed to her you know gave us through that she gave us through him and we'll go there one quick thing though charlie as the partner attorney i will advocate for people that were wronged and uh there's people already that have come to us and said hey i was targeted by the government they did this to me and and you know what can you do and i want to be an advocate and the president wants this for the people that had uh their their their their rights taken away maybe take it liberty taken away uh we have a whole bunch of people charlie that lost their right for example to have the second amendment
Based on nonviolent, non-gun related crimes, they lost their Second Amendment rights. The pardon attorney can give them back their rights. It's a project that Donald Trump has sponsored. And so we've got a lot of work to do, again, to tell the truth, hold people accountable and heal those that have been damaged by the weaponization.
Based on nonviolent, non-gun related crimes, they lost their Second Amendment rights. The pardon attorney can give them back their rights. It's a project that Donald Trump has sponsored. And so we've got a lot of work to do, again, to tell the truth, hold people accountable and heal those that have been damaged by the weaponization.
And Harmeet Dhillon on the Civil Rights Division reached out to me actually about this and other topics because her division, Civil Rights Division, has a lot of investigatory power and has a lot of ways to hold accountable. So, yes, it's on the table. I think one thing, Charlie, that I feel really blessed to get this chance is I think thinking creatively to see where this happened.
And Harmeet Dhillon on the Civil Rights Division reached out to me actually about this and other topics because her division, Civil Rights Division, has a lot of investigatory power and has a lot of ways to hold accountable. So, yes, it's on the table. I think one thing, Charlie, that I feel really blessed to get this chance is I think thinking creatively to see where this happened.
Some people don't even believe it. You just put your finger on it. There's ways that the federal government was weaponized against our citizens that you don't even really notice. You kind of have to peel back the layers and get to it. So definitely that. And I think that will be a big one. You know, there's a lot of coverage.
Some people don't even believe it. You just put your finger on it. There's ways that the federal government was weaponized against our citizens that you don't even really notice. You kind of have to peel back the layers and get to it. So definitely that. And I think that will be a big one. You know, there's a lot of coverage.
When I came into this office, the Metropolitan Police Department, the cops, the rank and file cops were on their heels. Because the prosecutors, my predecessor, wouldn't pursue assault on police officer charges if they were too complicated. The courts with liberal judges would attack the cops and say that if you didn't remember everything exactly, then you were not credible and couldn't be a cop.
When I came into this office, the Metropolitan Police Department, the cops, the rank and file cops were on their heels. Because the prosecutors, my predecessor, wouldn't pursue assault on police officer charges if they were too complicated. The courts with liberal judges would attack the cops and say that if you didn't remember everything exactly, then you were not credible and couldn't be a cop.
I mean, we had to push back and we have to push back because, again, that's weaponization against our system and our citizens. So all that's on the table. One of the hardest jobs of a prosecutor, as well as a weaponization working group leader, is to decide what to take in what order. And that's where the president and Attorney General Bondi have given us some guidance to start.
I mean, we had to push back and we have to push back because, again, that's weaponization against our system and our citizens. So all that's on the table. One of the hardest jobs of a prosecutor, as well as a weaponization working group leader, is to decide what to take in what order. And that's where the president and Attorney General Bondi have given us some guidance to start.
But we'll be pursuing as much of it as we can. And, you know, we know, I know we have limited time. You know, we know we're fighting against the courts that want to stop us and the press that wants to stop us. And the clock is running. And so we've got to move fast. We've got to move quickly. We got to move fast and with dispatch, with focus. And we're going to do that.
But we'll be pursuing as much of it as we can. And, you know, we know, I know we have limited time. You know, we know we're fighting against the courts that want to stop us and the press that wants to stop us. And the clock is running. And so we've got to move fast. We've got to move quickly. We got to move fast and with dispatch, with focus. And we're going to do that.
of positions are not yet filled yeah and just to say it emphasize what you just said uh donald trump put me in on day one as your attorney because he didn't want to wait to have to deal with this nonsense these delays and and that that's why i was on 120 day term because in order to put you on day one the law says he has to only have a term and then we had to deal with this too many of these things are vacant and what happens is you get people in the office who are acting and they may be directionally with you on the issue but they're not fearless because it's not their job
of positions are not yet filled yeah and just to say it emphasize what you just said uh donald trump put me in on day one as your attorney because he didn't want to wait to have to deal with this nonsense these delays and and that that's why i was on 120 day term because in order to put you on day one the law says he has to only have a term and then we had to deal with this too many of these things are vacant and what happens is you get people in the office who are acting and they may be directionally with you on the issue but they're not fearless because it's not their job
And or they want to get confirmed. And so they can't be fearless. And so the system really of this advice and consent, which I took part in, I respect the Senate. The Constitution has been there. The system is not working well enough.
And or they want to get confirmed. And so they can't be fearless. And so the system really of this advice and consent, which I took part in, I respect the Senate. The Constitution has been there. The system is not working well enough.
Well, first of all, Charlie, you know, you've traveled the whole country and the world. And one of the things I've heard you talk about is everywhere you go, one thing is the same. People are great, right? People are really great in D.C.,
Well, first of all, Charlie, you know, you've traveled the whole country and the world. And one of the things I've heard you talk about is everywhere you go, one thing is the same. People are great, right? People are really great in D.C.,
uh a little bit over 700 000 citizens i did ride-alongs to every corner of this other district i met cops i met some business owners citizens seniors and it's just great great place uh and they deserve better than what they've had and we we've delivered that and the president
uh a little bit over 700 000 citizens i did ride-alongs to every corner of this other district i met cops i met some business owners citizens seniors and it's just great great place uh and they deserve better than what they've had and we we've delivered that and the president
focused us on that by saying he wanted the city safe so we initiated something called make dc safe again where we focused on violent crime and especially on bad guys who use guns if you take the bad guys who are using guns off the streets and hold them try them put them away You're going to change the trajectory of the whole community. And it made a huge difference.
focused us on that by saying he wanted the city safe so we initiated something called make dc safe again where we focused on violent crime and especially on bad guys who use guns if you take the bad guys who are using guns off the streets and hold them try them put them away You're going to change the trajectory of the whole community. And it made a huge difference.
And the psychology of doing that was as important. It's again, it's a Trump lesson. If you lead in the direction of the right things and the right kinds of policies, the whole mindset changes. So people started to believe in what we were doing. They believed in the cops differently. We had partners. We have partnerships with police.
And the psychology of doing that was as important. It's again, it's a Trump lesson. If you lead in the direction of the right things and the right kinds of policies, the whole mindset changes. So people started to believe in what we were doing. They believed in the cops differently. We had partners. We have partnerships with police.
with all sorts of law enforcement, all building towards, Charlie, the America 250 celebration that President Trump talks so often about, which is our 250th anniversary. And so what I learned is you can fight crime step by step, and you can do it together if you pay attention and you go and work together and you focus on the right things and not, again, politicize the office. I will say...
with all sorts of law enforcement, all building towards, Charlie, the America 250 celebration that President Trump talks so often about, which is our 250th anniversary. And so what I learned is you can fight crime step by step, and you can do it together if you pay attention and you go and work together and you focus on the right things and not, again, politicize the office. I will say...
just to give you a insight which you and i've talked about offline this is a big office uh the u.s attorney's office is one of the largest uh in the world it's the largest in the country it's very smart lawyers very sophisticated it's kind of uh major league baseball and i tell you major league baseball in terms of some of the opposition to progress and the trump vision you are playing with
just to give you a insight which you and i've talked about offline this is a big office uh the u.s attorney's office is one of the largest uh in the world it's the largest in the country it's very smart lawyers very sophisticated it's kind of uh major league baseball and i tell you major league baseball in terms of some of the opposition to progress and the trump vision you are playing with
very high level people who know how to play the game and misdirect and all the rest. So it's good we've got Judge Jeanine Perrault in here because she's tough and smart and experienced. But it's a challenge. And I will say, I will acknowledge that the kind of insider, call them deep state if you want, but insider players, They're not without talent and experience and know-how. It's a battle.
very high level people who know how to play the game and misdirect and all the rest. So it's good we've got Judge Jeanine Perrault in here because she's tough and smart and experienced. But it's a challenge. And I will say, I will acknowledge that the kind of insider, call them deep state if you want, but insider players, They're not without talent and experience and know-how. It's a battle.
It's a fight. And you've got to be willing to engage in that and keep going. I got smeared in the paper. Charlie, every email that I sent to the whole office, nearly 900 people are on our staff budget. We've got about 800 total. Every email I sent to the whole office was leaked immediately to the press.
It's a fight. And you've got to be willing to engage in that and keep going. I got smeared in the paper. Charlie, every email that I sent to the whole office, nearly 900 people are on our staff budget. We've got about 800 total. Every email I sent to the whole office was leaked immediately to the press.
The last one, which I sent a couple of days ago, I think Reuters had it 11 minutes after I sent it. So that's the kind of treachery you've got within your ranks. But you have to know how to use it. I use my email to the whole staff as kind of a press release because I know it's going right out to the press. And so you've got to adjust your game plan and your tactics.
The last one, which I sent a couple of days ago, I think Reuters had it 11 minutes after I sent it. So that's the kind of treachery you've got within your ranks. But you have to know how to use it. I use my email to the whole staff as kind of a press release because I know it's going right out to the press. And so you've got to adjust your game plan and your tactics.
But it is an impressive strategy.
But it is an impressive strategy.
I get it all the time, Charlie, because you and I are among the grassroots ourselves. We like to think we're something more, but we're just all grassroots guys. And here's the thing. You cannot do what they've done for years. You cannot do it overnight. I know people wish you could roll somebody out with cuffs, but we're not them. They roll people out with cuffs on a lie. We can't be liars.
I get it all the time, Charlie, because you and I are among the grassroots ourselves. We like to think we're something more, but we're just all grassroots guys. And here's the thing. You cannot do what they've done for years. You cannot do it overnight. I know people wish you could roll somebody out with cuffs, but we're not them. They roll people out with cuffs on a lie. We can't be liars.
If you make yourself into liars, you're turning into something worse. I'm not saying trust me. I'm saying beat the heck out of me to get more, but look for two things. One is the truth being exposed all the time. We've got to get more sunlight on it. And two, look for how we can hold them accountable. I said the other day in an interview, some of it is just shame. You should be ashamed.
If you make yourself into liars, you're turning into something worse. I'm not saying trust me. I'm saying beat the heck out of me to get more, but look for two things. One is the truth being exposed all the time. We've got to get more sunlight on it. And two, look for how we can hold them accountable. I said the other day in an interview, some of it is just shame. You should be ashamed.
Guys like Schiff should be ashamed. Brennan should be ashamed. Shame matters too. But also how we hold them accountable with prosecutions. Look for them both and demand it. Push. Don't give up on us. But trust me, we're fighting for this future. And we're led by Trump. And it's awesome. And it's, hey, look, Charlie, it's now or never. You can wish it was like, ah, it's now or never.
Guys like Schiff should be ashamed. Brennan should be ashamed. Shame matters too. But also how we hold them accountable with prosecutions. Look for them both and demand it. Push. Don't give up on us. But trust me, we're fighting for this future. And we're led by Trump. And it's awesome. And it's, hey, look, Charlie, it's now or never. You can wish it was like, ah, it's now or never.
This is the moment. Let's go.
This is the moment. Let's go.
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I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
This woman came up to me screeching in a way, I mean, she can't know me. She didn't know me. I never met her. A screeching, screeching, screeching, swearing, and then spitting.
This woman came up to me screeching in a way, I mean, she can't know me. She didn't know me. I never met her. A screeching, screeching, screeching, swearing, and then spitting.
Well... I think it's worse than incompetence. But I think the only way forward is to not describe what I think of the motives, but to expose over and over again what's happened. If you expose what's happened and the truth gets out, then accountability is possible. If you don't expose what's happened, the accountability looks like targeting. Right. So you got to do this one to get to this one.
Well... I think it's worse than incompetence. But I think the only way forward is to not describe what I think of the motives, but to expose over and over again what's happened. If you expose what's happened and the truth gets out, then accountability is possible. If you don't expose what's happened, the accountability looks like targeting. Right. So you got to do this one to get to this one.
And the other side just does this. And then they count on the media to tell us it's OK. We have to do this and this. And that's my answer to some people that say, what's Dan doing, Bunge? You know, I talk to him every week or so. He's going hammer and tongs at this stuff right here. You can't arrest everybody the first month, but you've got to get this going. And it's a challenge.
And the other side just does this. And then they count on the media to tell us it's OK. We have to do this and this. And that's my answer to some people that say, what's Dan doing, Bunge? You know, I talk to him every week or so. He's going hammer and tongs at this stuff right here. You can't arrest everybody the first month, but you've got to get this going. And it's a challenge.
But I'm glad people are holding us, you know, pushing everybody. It's good, but it's it's harder than it looks. Yeah. It really is.
But I'm glad people are holding us, you know, pushing everybody. It's good, but it's it's harder than it looks. Yeah. It really is.
I would say that, look— FBI specifically. Yeah, look, I worked for the Catholic Church, right? I worked for the Catholic Church. I'm pretty attuned to bureaucracies, right? And I've seen the scope of them and see the institutional inertia, like the momentum that they get. And I think my office was—my U.S.
I would say that, look— FBI specifically. Yeah, look, I worked for the Catholic Church, right? I worked for the Catholic Church. I'm pretty attuned to bureaucracies, right? And I've seen the scope of them and see the institutional inertia, like the momentum that they get. And I think my office was—my U.S.
attorney's office was about this big, Tucker, and it took me 120 days to get this much of my arms wrapped around this much because this is how big it was. You know, Cash's job is this big, and DOJ's is this big, and the President's is this big. So my answer is, the scope is bigger, and it is, therefore, much, much worse than people think.
attorney's office was about this big, Tucker, and it took me 120 days to get this much of my arms wrapped around this much because this is how big it was. You know, Cash's job is this big, and DOJ's is this big, and the President's is this big. So my answer is, the scope is bigger, and it is, therefore, much, much worse than people think.
Well, first, I'd like to point out, Tucker, because I've been accused of having a signature piece of clothing now, like in the old days, the bow tie. You know, the jacket that I wear, the sort of raincoat? Yeah. The New York Times called it my signature. I like it. It was very effective because the spit went on the raincoat. It was able to be cleaned off.
Well, first, I'd like to point out, Tucker, because I've been accused of having a signature piece of clothing now, like in the old days, the bow tie. You know, the jacket that I wear, the sort of raincoat? Yeah. The New York Times called it my signature. I like it. It was very effective because the spit went on the raincoat. It was able to be cleaned off.
And I just think it's a—and by the way, one of the reasons I say information is so key, you can't—we can't win the Article III battle fast enough, right? We can fight it and we can eventually win lots of them. You can't win it fast enough to get the progress we need in terms of our... So you've got to be doing the information... For people watching, what's the Article 3 battle?
And I just think it's a—and by the way, one of the reasons I say information is so key, you can't—we can't win the Article III battle fast enough, right? We can fight it and we can eventually win lots of them. You can't win it fast enough to get the progress we need in terms of our... So you've got to be doing the information... For people watching, what's the Article 3 battle?
Yeah, the Article 3 means like the federal courts. We're in federal courts. The president says you can't let people come into the country and then the courts say...
Yeah, the Article 3 means like the federal courts. We're in federal courts. The president says you can't let people come into the country and then the courts say...
nationwide injunction and you know you're not allowed to do that and you're you're constantly in court uh you know the u.s attorney's office for dc has all of the cases uh of when they when the government is sued you know president sues they all come into our office on the civil side and so you see all that stuff coming in you know in in the uh during the biden administration the conservatives were suing in texas it was friendlier judges now it's in dc so you're in the in the courts for
nationwide injunction and you know you're not allowed to do that and you're you're constantly in court uh you know the u.s attorney's office for dc has all of the cases uh of when they when the government is sued you know president sues they all come into our office on the civil side and so you see all that stuff coming in you know in in the uh during the biden administration the conservatives were suing in texas it was friendlier judges now it's in dc so you're in the in the courts for
fighting to get the truth out, fighting to make these things, prosecutions and all, but they take a longer time than just getting the word out, right? Getting the information out. I just, I feel like it's a different moment in history. And that's how I was U.S. attorney. That's why you saw, people saw so much outfacing action because I wasn't just looking at courts.
fighting to get the truth out, fighting to make these things, prosecutions and all, but they take a longer time than just getting the word out, right? Getting the information out. I just, I feel like it's a different moment in history. And that's how I was U.S. attorney. That's why you saw, people saw so much outfacing action because I wasn't just looking at courts.
I was looking at making an argument for the public so they could see the policies.
I was looking at making an argument for the public so they could see the policies.
Columbo. I'm going Columbo, not, as my kids said, Inspector Gadget. I thought that was degrading, and I've indicted all three of the four of them now. All right, so... Look, I did the job. President Trump gave me this incredible privilege. Usually a U.S. attorney is nominated and then they get confirmed and then they come into office, right?
Columbo. I'm going Columbo, not, as my kids said, Inspector Gadget. I thought that was degrading, and I've indicted all three of the four of them now. All right, so... Look, I did the job. President Trump gave me this incredible privilege. Usually a U.S. attorney is nominated and then they get confirmed and then they come into office, right?
So it's usually like October and you finally get somebody in office. And that whole time you have the Sally Yates problem. Remember Sally Yates who was acting? You have some acting person that's either undermining you or is not totally into the job.
So it's usually like October and you finally get somebody in office. And that whole time you have the Sally Yates problem. Remember Sally Yates who was acting? You have some acting person that's either undermining you or is not totally into the job.
Well, you know, I worked for Phyllis Schlafly, right? And so when she wrote A Choice Not an Echo in 1964 and all the way through her career and then the last 10 years of her life when I worked with her, you come to know about the party, right? The Republican Party is probably more problematic in certain ways than the Democrat Party is obvious opponents, right? I agree with that.
Well, you know, I worked for Phyllis Schlafly, right? And so when she wrote A Choice Not an Echo in 1964 and all the way through her career and then the last 10 years of her life when I worked with her, you come to know about the party, right? The Republican Party is probably more problematic in certain ways than the Democrat Party is obvious opponents, right? I agree with that.
So when Phyllis writes about 1964, what they did to, you know, Goldwater at that fight, or she writes in—she wrote about 1980 when they, you know, forced H.W. Bush on Reagan. I mean, she wrote about—but she also wrote about, by the way, about the Bilderbergs. She's the first one to use the word Bilderbergs, about the globalists when they were meeting.
So when Phyllis writes about 1964, what they did to, you know, Goldwater at that fight, or she writes in—she wrote about 1980 when they, you know, forced H.W. Bush on Reagan. I mean, she wrote about—but she also wrote about, by the way, about the Bilderbergs. She's the first one to use the word Bilderbergs, about the globalists when they were meeting.
But Phyllis would say, you know, and Todd, look, she backed Trump. She backed Trump early. And it basically— Well, it caused a rift in her family. One of her children was a cruise person, was against her. It caused a rift in her organization. And I remember asking her, I'm like, kind of seriously, is this worth it? And she said, of course it's worth it.
But Phyllis would say, you know, and Todd, look, she backed Trump. She backed Trump early. And it basically— Well, it caused a rift in her family. One of her children was a cruise person, was against her. It caused a rift in her organization. And I remember asking her, I'm like, kind of seriously, is this worth it? And she said, of course it's worth it.
She said, you know, this is, and so that was on our side. That was on the sort of conservative side. So I'm not surprised by any of it. I was on the RNC when they did the autopsy. Remember? Very well. Romney loses and they spend nine or $10 million. And the same people got paid, go back and look who got paid $9 million for the autopsy on the Republican party.
She said, you know, this is, and so that was on our side. That was on the sort of conservative side. So I'm not surprised by any of it. I was on the RNC when they did the autopsy. Remember? Very well. Romney loses and they spend nine or $10 million. And the same people got paid, go back and look who got paid $9 million for the autopsy on the Republican party.
And it said, speak in Spanish and don't talk about social issues. And we're just going to win everything. And they, and they made the mistake. They asked me, That microphone in my first meeting of the RNC, what do you think of that? And I said, what do you think of your report? And I said, it's not my report. I didn't go for that. That's crazy. Then we'll lose every election.
And it said, speak in Spanish and don't talk about social issues. And we're just going to win everything. And they, and they made the mistake. They asked me, That microphone in my first meeting of the RNC, what do you think of that? And I said, what do you think of your report? And I said, it's not my report. I didn't go for that. That's crazy. Then we'll lose every election.
So the Republican Party has always been that way. It's just better than the other one. And the question is right now.
So the Republican Party has always been that way. It's just better than the other one. And the question is right now.
Okay, so I said to the president a while ago, if you want me to do this job, can I have it on day one? And he agreed, and he put me on day one. And so day one, we started swinging right away at all the things that we needed to swing at, right? First of all, day one, we had the pardons, 1,600 pardons. Day two or three, we had two pardons of cops. Day three or four, we had all the FACE Act pardons.
Okay, so I said to the president a while ago, if you want me to do this job, can I have it on day one? And he agreed, and he put me on day one. And so day one, we started swinging right away at all the things that we needed to swing at, right? First of all, day one, we had the pardons, 1,600 pardons. Day two or three, we had two pardons of cops. Day three or four, we had all the FACE Act pardons.
Well, it's the same thing Phyllis talked about, you know, back in the day. It was the establishment on the Eastern establishment, Eastern elites who were trying to control the party and did a lot. Look, right now it's Trump's party. It's just that some of the elites don't want to let go.
Well, it's the same thing Phyllis talked about, you know, back in the day. It was the establishment on the Eastern establishment, Eastern elites who were trying to control the party and did a lot. Look, right now it's Trump's party. It's just that some of the elites don't want to let go.
And so the question is, will they be able to hold on? And when you heard the president say he didn't say Ed wouldn't get confirmed, he said, that's not worth the fight right now. We got other things to do. And, you know, we knew we knew we'd get somebody good in that spot, to your point. And we knew there's a place for me to play a role. So, you know, I but the Republican Party is Trump's party.
And so the question is, will they be able to hold on? And when you heard the president say he didn't say Ed wouldn't get confirmed, he said, that's not worth the fight right now. We got other things to do. And, you know, we knew we knew we'd get somebody good in that spot, to your point. And we knew there's a place for me to play a role. So, you know, I but the Republican Party is Trump's party.
It's just some people aren't ready for it.
It's just some people aren't ready for it.
Well, if I can, I'd say two things about it. One thing I think, as you've talked about before in lots of issues, President Trump represents a different view of America first is the way it's characterized. But this notion of of believing in ourselves, our citizens more than other things, including wars and globalists. And I think that I think that's a big pivot.
Well, if I can, I'd say two things about it. One thing I think, as you've talked about before in lots of issues, President Trump represents a different view of America first is the way it's characterized. But this notion of of believing in ourselves, our citizens more than other things, including wars and globalists. And I think that I think that's a big pivot.
And people feel that as voters obviously did. But I will agree with you on this. The corruption is not one party. I mean, trust me, I'm the prosecutor.
And people feel that as voters obviously did. But I will agree with you on this. The corruption is not one party. I mean, trust me, I'm the prosecutor.
It's not one party. You know that. But your viewers, it's not one party. When you see six point seven billion dollars transferred from the EPA to an organization set up a year before, set up by the same leftists, left leaning Democrats supporting folks that ran the housing tax credit boondoggle from the 90s. It's the same people. Six point seven billion.
It's not one party. You know that. But your viewers, it's not one party. When you see six point seven billion dollars transferred from the EPA to an organization set up a year before, set up by the same leftists, left leaning Democrats supporting folks that ran the housing tax credit boondoggle from the 90s. It's the same people. Six point seven billion.
When you see that transfer of money, it's this is this is not one party. Both parties are at the trough, and the question is, who gives us the best chance to try to take this country back and to fight for it? And it's clearly been Trump, but it's an everyday battle.
When you see that transfer of money, it's this is this is not one party. Both parties are at the trough, and the question is, who gives us the best chance to try to take this country back and to fight for it? And it's clearly been Trump, but it's an everyday battle.
Well, it's funny. As soon as Tillis blocked it, then a guy like Senator Cornyn said, I'm for him. Did he really? We weren't sure until then. And then I think Collins said, I'm looking at it. I'm thinking about it. So I will say that— Like Collins says she was thinking?
Well, it's funny. As soon as Tillis blocked it, then a guy like Senator Cornyn said, I'm for him. Did he really? We weren't sure until then. And then I think Collins said, I'm looking at it. I'm thinking about it. So I will say that— Like Collins says she was thinking?
Well, actually, I had an issue up here. You know, the U.S. attorney has so much interesting— role for the D.C. U.S. Attorney. I went to the DEA and I said, hey guys, what are we not doing? I would go to all these law enforcement and say, what is somebody not doing that I could do to help you guys? And the DEA guy said, we got all these marijuana farms in Maine.
Well, actually, I had an issue up here. You know, the U.S. attorney has so much interesting— role for the D.C. U.S. Attorney. I went to the DEA and I said, hey guys, what are we not doing? I would go to all these law enforcement and say, what is somebody not doing that I could do to help you guys? And the DEA guy said, we got all these marijuana farms in Maine.
And so they said, we can't get it under control and the U.S. Attorney up there won't do anything. And I said, I'll take it. I'll take the cases. I said, let's figure it out. So I wrote a letter to the Maine Governor and I said, what are you doing about these pod farms that the Chinese are running? We got to take a look at this because it's impacting what's going on. And so
And so they said, we can't get it under control and the U.S. Attorney up there won't do anything. And I said, I'll take it. I'll take the cases. I said, let's figure it out. So I wrote a letter to the Maine Governor and I said, what are you doing about these pod farms that the Chinese are running? We got to take a look at this because it's impacting what's going on. And so
Nothing's progressed yet.
Nothing's progressed yet.
She had some milquetoast response about something, but... Now we're looking into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, you know, when you look close, it's a disaster. And she and her administration is really not just looking the other way. They're allowing chaos...
She had some milquetoast response about something, but... Now we're looking into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, you know, when you look close, it's a disaster. And she and her administration is really not just looking the other way. They're allowing chaos...
It was a busy first week. But more importantly, as we were talking about, a fair— I started swinging. We started actually going for it. We said, okay, we're going to weaponization, you know, Chuck Schumer's a bully. And we went at this fight, uh, hammer and tongs and everybody noticed, everybody noticed Chuck Schumer noticed Dick Durbin starts firing off letters of complaint, all kinds of things.
It was a busy first week. But more importantly, as we were talking about, a fair— I started swinging. We started actually going for it. We said, okay, we're going to weaponization, you know, Chuck Schumer's a bully. And we went at this fight, uh, hammer and tongs and everybody noticed, everybody noticed Chuck Schumer noticed Dick Durbin starts firing off letters of complaint, all kinds of things.
No, no, they were doing a dance. Look, I mean, McConnell is... In fact, McConnell's staff was talking to me about pitching him on the... They weren't a no, a hard no at the beginning. But at that level, in that process, they're all playing a game, right? Until they have to... Look, Senator Hawley, I'm from Missouri. Senator Hawley said... if you get to the floor, you'll definitely get the votes.
No, no, they were doing a dance. Look, I mean, McConnell is... In fact, McConnell's staff was talking to me about pitching him on the... They weren't a no, a hard no at the beginning. But at that level, in that process, they're all playing a game, right? Until they have to... Look, Senator Hawley, I'm from Missouri. Senator Hawley said... if you get to the floor, you'll definitely get the votes.
But he said there are going to be all kinds of machinations beforehand. So to your point, I don't know if Senator Tillis was taking one for the team, if he was, you know, killing me to help other people or what, but he was the obvious one that decided.
But he said there are going to be all kinds of machinations beforehand. So to your point, I don't know if Senator Tillis was taking one for the team, if he was, you know, killing me to help other people or what, but he was the obvious one that decided.
that made them you know 9-11 you said I mean rather 9-11 January 6th I would say that a number of times it was clear that I was not going to be sort of controllable that I was going to do exactly what I thought and what the president let me loose to do. And I think that that's for the sort of ruling class, that's the wildest of wild cards.
that made them you know 9-11 you said I mean rather 9-11 January 6th I would say that a number of times it was clear that I was not going to be sort of controllable that I was going to do exactly what I thought and what the president let me loose to do. And I think that that's for the sort of ruling class, that's the wildest of wild cards.
Some people would say, what's Dan doing, Bungie? You know, he's going hammer and tongs at this stuff right here. The scope is bigger and it is therefore much, much worse than people think.
Some people would say, what's Dan doing, Bungie? You know, he's going hammer and tongs at this stuff right here. The scope is bigger and it is therefore much, much worse than people think.
Right. So, you know, yeah, but I don't really know. I mean, I, you know, I would have bet that I would have gotten through because President Trump wanted me. So, you know, it's hard to know. I thought some of the other guys that got confirmed had a lot more checkered past, but I don't know.
Right. So, you know, yeah, but I don't really know. I mean, I, you know, I would have bet that I would have gotten through because President Trump wanted me. So, you know, it's hard to know. I thought some of the other guys that got confirmed had a lot more checkered past, but I don't know.
Yes. I mean, it's, I hate to say I got a promotion. I don't want to be too Pollyannish, but I kind of got a promotion. I mean, U.S. Attorney's Office, to be clear, it's the greatest prosecutor's office in the world, really. It's got all of the city level crime. It's like a DA. It's a great DA office. And then a huge U.S.
Yes. I mean, it's, I hate to say I got a promotion. I don't want to be too Pollyannish, but I kind of got a promotion. I mean, U.S. Attorney's Office, to be clear, it's the greatest prosecutor's office in the world, really. It's got all of the city level crime. It's like a DA. It's a great DA office. And then a huge U.S.
Attorney's Office with cases all over the world and all sorts of complicated, interesting stuff and a huge docket. I can get to all USAID, all the USAID falls within us. So when you see the fraud that's going on in Europe and this is all, Stuff that the U.S. attorney and trust me, the U.S. attorney is already looking at it. And you can look at this stuff and say because of the jurisdiction.
Attorney's Office with cases all over the world and all sorts of complicated, interesting stuff and a huge docket. I can get to all USAID, all the USAID falls within us. So when you see the fraud that's going on in Europe and this is all, Stuff that the U.S. attorney and trust me, the U.S. attorney is already looking at it. And you can look at this stuff and say because of the jurisdiction.
So but it's a big office with a lot of bureaucracy. And so what I basically my new job is focused on weaponization. The docket is the whole world and the country to say, where have they done wrong and how do we go and get to the bottom of it? And so, look, I'm the president. It's a key moment. It's a key moment in the present. Trust me to do this.
So but it's a big office with a lot of bureaucracy. And so what I basically my new job is focused on weaponization. The docket is the whole world and the country to say, where have they done wrong and how do we go and get to the bottom of it? And so, look, I'm the president. It's a key moment. It's a key moment in the present. Trust me to do this.
And so and Pam Bondi has been great about directing us on this. So I'm excited to go over there and and fight.
And so and Pam Bondi has been great about directing us on this. So I'm excited to go over there and and fight.
And that's how you're supposed to do the job. Uh,
And that's how you're supposed to do the job. Uh,
That's right. Well, I want to brag for a minute. We shifted a lot of our resources to fight crime. You know this, but 720,000 people live in D.C. Yeah. Six hundred and fifty thousand live in poverty and a tough set. And frankly, they've been getting they've been getting stuck by both parties forever.
That's right. Well, I want to brag for a minute. We shifted a lot of our resources to fight crime. You know this, but 720,000 people live in D.C. Yeah. Six hundred and fifty thousand live in poverty and a tough set. And frankly, they've been getting they've been getting stuck by both parties forever.
So you walk down the street in Anacostia and you're like, I want to do an interview in Anacostia. And we pulled up and there's an ambulance and all. And I said, what is that? And I said, somebody was shot there laying there. And we went in to do the interview. It was like, oh, yeah, so he's not going to die. He's going to be fine.
So you walk down the street in Anacostia and you're like, I want to do an interview in Anacostia. And we pulled up and there's an ambulance and all. And I said, what is that? And I said, somebody was shot there laying there. And we went in to do the interview. It was like, oh, yeah, so he's not going to die. He's going to be fine.
So what we did was we turned all of our resources on that side to getting rid of the guys with guns, the bad guys with guns, and we dragged them to federal court. Now, that sounds like it's not that revolutionary, but you start to get—in March, we got 18, and in April, 24— arrested with guns and off the streets.
So what we did was we turned all of our resources on that side to getting rid of the guys with guns, the bad guys with guns, and we dragged them to federal court. Now, that sounds like it's not that revolutionary, but you start to get—in March, we got 18, and in April, 24— arrested with guns and off the streets.
For 700,000 people, what they mostly need to know is somebody's trying to help them make it better, right? And trying to make life better. And crime is down 25% and the basics are going the right direction.
For 700,000 people, what they mostly need to know is somebody's trying to help them make it better, right? And trying to make life better. And crime is down 25% and the basics are going the right direction.
But no, that woman screeching at me and spitting on me, that's a fruit of the environment that says, make anyone who's doing something important into someone toxic and we'll get people to be agitated. But it works. It works. Oh, it works completely. The only problem is our side, meaning I think God-fearing Americans need to understand. I just told you, we've got to get the truth out.
But no, that woman screeching at me and spitting on me, that's a fruit of the environment that says, make anyone who's doing something important into someone toxic and we'll get people to be agitated. But it works. It works. Oh, it works completely. The only problem is our side, meaning I think God-fearing Americans need to understand. I just told you, we've got to get the truth out.
You can't sit back and say, we're right. That doesn't matter. No, I know. Your neighbor is still being inundated by the Washington Post, right? They're still being told by the Washington Post that somehow it's problematic that I was on RT. I did interviews on RT and that, oh, this is the end of the world. Well, I mean, Swalwell's kind of- You went on RT? Yeah, I went on RT. I did interviews on RT.
You can't sit back and say, we're right. That doesn't matter. No, I know. Your neighbor is still being inundated by the Washington Post, right? They're still being told by the Washington Post that somehow it's problematic that I was on RT. I did interviews on RT and that, oh, this is the end of the world. Well, I mean, Swalwell's kind of- You went on RT? Yeah, I went on RT. I did interviews on RT.
It's called democracy. And he actually put some, you know, he put he signed orders. He signed what he gave us the direction he wanted us to do. Executive orders said, stop the weaponization. Go look at this. And then, by the way, Attorney General Bondi got in. She gave us an even more specific list. Right. So but more importantly, Tucker, if it was.
It's called democracy. And he actually put some, you know, he put he signed orders. He signed what he gave us the direction he wanted us to do. Executive orders said, stop the weaponization. Go look at this. And then, by the way, Attorney General Bondi got in. She gave us an even more specific list. Right. So but more importantly, Tucker, if it was.
I was just going to say, no, I did not. I wanted to make clear that.
I was just going to say, no, I did not. I wanted to make clear that.
I've only been told what to say on one network, and that was the communist CNN. They told me I had to say that. But my point is, to your point, we can't rely on the truth. We are right. We have to, though, and this is where I think there's responsibility in government. We have to expose the truth. We have to expose it. And if they're not shamed, at least Andrew Weissman can hear his name.
I've only been told what to say on one network, and that was the communist CNN. They told me I had to say that. But my point is, to your point, we can't rely on the truth. We are right. We have to, though, and this is where I think there's responsibility in government. We have to expose the truth. We have to expose it. And if they're not shamed, at least Andrew Weissman can hear his name.
Andrew Weissman is truly one of the more despicable figures in modern American life. Mary McCord, Georgetown University. I got in a fight with Georgetown. You know, Georgetown University is mad at me.
Andrew Weissman is truly one of the more despicable figures in modern American life. Mary McCord, Georgetown University. I got in a fight with Georgetown. You know, Georgetown University is mad at me.
I wrote Georgetown Law and I said to the dean, we're not going to hire your people either for jobs or internships because you're doing DEI after the president said stop.
I wrote Georgetown Law and I said to the dean, we're not going to hire your people either for jobs or internships because you're doing DEI after the president said stop.
He wrote back and lectured me on Jesuit ideals and freedom. Now, he went to Yale and Harvard. I don't think those are religious, but I went to Holy Cross, slightly Jesuit the whole time, St. Louis U, Jesuit, on and on and on. And he lectured me. But here's what happened quickly.
He wrote back and lectured me on Jesuit ideals and freedom. Now, he went to Yale and Harvard. I don't think those are religious, but I went to Holy Cross, slightly Jesuit the whole time, St. Louis U, Jesuit, on and on and on. And he lectured me. But here's what happened quickly.
No, no, of course not. He's not even Catholic. Well, maybe he's Catholic. I don't know. But he's lecturing me. And bar complaints are coming in from people saying Georgetown is great. All I'm saying is this, Tucker.
No, no, of course not. He's not even Catholic. Well, maybe he's Catholic. I don't know. But he's lecturing me. And bar complaints are coming in from people saying Georgetown is great. All I'm saying is this, Tucker.
Well, but more importantly, you talk about weaponizing government. You got this Rosa Brooks, Mary McCord. These are the people coming out of Obama land and they're taking the transition integrity project. Remember this, the transition integrity project. And they're saying, how would we do an American color revolution? Right. How would we do that? And they're laying it out.
Well, but more importantly, you talk about weaponizing government. You got this Rosa Brooks, Mary McCord. These are the people coming out of Obama land and they're taking the transition integrity project. Remember this, the transition integrity project. And they're saying, how would we do an American color revolution? Right. How would we do that? And they're laying it out.
Remember game planning, they were doing this tabletop and they're looking at and participating are all kinds of Americans with security clearances and, you
Remember game planning, they were doing this tabletop and they're looking at and participating are all kinds of Americans with security clearances and, you
know military background and terrifying and we're supposed to sit here and say oh isn't this great you guys do all of that and we say nothing and meanwhile you get hundreds of millions of dollars in american tax dollars to do it to us so i asked them a question they got upset but the point here is and rosa i know rosa brooks well she did that out of georgetown of course that's what i'm saying is an institute still she's still doing georgetown is um
know military background and terrifying and we're supposed to sit here and say oh isn't this great you guys do all of that and we say nothing and meanwhile you get hundreds of millions of dollars in american tax dollars to do it to us so i asked them a question they got upset but the point here is and rosa i know rosa brooks well she did that out of georgetown of course that's what i'm saying is an institute still she's still doing georgetown is um
A hundred years ago, maybe you could just be genteel and prosecute the cases as they came along. Right. You could sit around and say sooner or later it'll all work out. It's not a hundred years ago. And the fight right now is a fight over everything from information to accountability to healing. Right. So that's the fight. and a U.S.
A hundred years ago, maybe you could just be genteel and prosecute the cases as they came along. Right. You could sit around and say sooner or later it'll all work out. It's not a hundred years ago. And the fight right now is a fight over everything from information to accountability to healing. Right. So that's the fight. and a U.S.
It's way more than that. People just have no idea. Well, and my point to you is. I agree. And we have to name it. Yes. It's not enough to us to know. We have to say Mary McCord and Rosa Brooks at Georgetown Law. Oh, I know what they're doing is destructive to the country and people should know it. They're planning insurrection, actually.
It's way more than that. People just have no idea. Well, and my point to you is. I agree. And we have to name it. Yes. It's not enough to us to know. We have to say Mary McCord and Rosa Brooks at Georgetown Law. Oh, I know what they're doing is destructive to the country and people should know it. They're planning insurrection, actually.
But fake would be bad enough. It's destructive.
But fake would be bad enough. It's destructive.
It's destructive. And again, if you think it's a debate, if it's a debating moment, then you're in one spot. If you think it's a battle for the future of the country and the world, then you're in a different moment. And that's how I look at what we're seeing going on. And that's why I think some people probably realized he knows how this goes a little more. And so they didn't want me in that spot.
It's destructive. And again, if you think it's a debate, if it's a debating moment, then you're in one spot. If you think it's a battle for the future of the country and the world, then you're in a different moment. And that's how I look at what we're seeing going on. And that's why I think some people probably realized he knows how this goes a little more. And so they didn't want me in that spot.
But I got another spot, so it'll work out.
But I got another spot, so it'll work out.
No, I, you know, my, my wife, who's like you, smarter than me. And so she said the other day, why can't we go back to term limits? You know, I mean, it's this instinct of, there's something, there's something about when they're in, in for a while, they seem to have figured out for, they think they figured out what's better for everyone. I don't really know.
No, I, you know, my, my wife, who's like you, smarter than me. And so she said the other day, why can't we go back to term limits? You know, I mean, it's this instinct of, there's something, there's something about when they're in, in for a while, they seem to have figured out for, they think they figured out what's better for everyone. I don't really know.
Look, I, one of the problems I hate is I know you do is tell, just tell me the truth to my face. If this is what you're doing. Well, that's what I respect about Tillis. At least he lectured you in private. That's right. He did. And he unloaded on me in private.
Look, I, one of the problems I hate is I know you do is tell, just tell me the truth to my face. If this is what you're doing. Well, that's what I respect about Tillis. At least he lectured you in private. That's right. He did. And he unloaded on me in private.
Yeah. So, but I don't know what gets the, well, I do know the system is so powerful and so alluring and seductive that after a while, you know, I think it's inevitable that even good people are tempted to a worldview that's not as good, even if they're not tempted to pure straight on corruption. So it is a problem.
Yeah. So, but I don't know what gets the, well, I do know the system is so powerful and so alluring and seductive that after a while, you know, I think it's inevitable that even good people are tempted to a worldview that's not as good, even if they're not tempted to pure straight on corruption. So it is a problem.
That's right. That's it. It's not power, right? It's money. It's all money.
That's right. That's it. It's not power, right? It's money. It's all money.
Well, this is really important, and I hope I was actually speaking.
Well, this is really important, and I hope I was actually speaking.
attorney is on the front lines in Washington, D.C., when they're going after Elon Musk or Judge Boasberg. They went after both, and I gave both of them a letter that said, hey, I got your back. If you even threaten these people in a way that goes over the line, we're going to indict you.
attorney is on the front lines in Washington, D.C., when they're going after Elon Musk or Judge Boasberg. They went after both, and I gave both of them a letter that said, hey, I got your back. If you even threaten these people in a way that goes over the line, we're going to indict you.
They don't seem to. I agree with you.
They don't seem to. I agree with you.
All right. So there's a couple of things. One is and I was just telling Judge Jeanine Pirro. She's really she's really kind of.
All right. So there's a couple of things. One is and I was just telling Judge Jeanine Pirro. She's really she's really kind of.
Yeah, she's kind of into it. She's kind of she's really into it. And she's asking me all these questions. And I'm thinking she was.
Yeah, she's kind of into it. She's kind of she's really into it. And she's asking me all these questions. And I'm thinking she was.
Yeah, she's going to be well, she's going to come in and serve like I did. She's going to serve right away. So she's not waiting. And and that's very cool. But I'm a fan of that because why have this, you know, inter. So DC is awesome. I mean, it's awesome places, you know, history on every corner, you know, the background of everybody.
Yeah, she's going to be well, she's going to come in and serve like I did. She's going to serve right away. So she's not waiting. And and that's very cool. But I'm a fan of that because why have this, you know, inter. So DC is awesome. I mean, it's awesome places, you know, history on every corner, you know, the background of everybody.
I did these ride alongs with detectives and I'd still go every corner of the place and you see all these different things and and and the people people are people right of course they want what they want more for their kids and more for themselves and I lived I'm from St. Louis and in St. Louis always lived in the city itself and it feels the same way um A couple of things.
I did these ride alongs with detectives and I'd still go every corner of the place and you see all these different things and and and the people people are people right of course they want what they want more for their kids and more for themselves and I lived I'm from St. Louis and in St. Louis always lived in the city itself and it feels the same way um A couple of things.
One is the violent crime, right? The guns are because Virginia's hard on guns and Maryland and D.C. are soft. Then you can get away with having guns.
One is the violent crime, right? The guns are because Virginia's hard on guns and Maryland and D.C. are soft. Then you can get away with having guns.
Misuse of guns. Right. So all sorts of people with all sorts of guns.
Misuse of guns. Right. So all sorts of people with all sorts of guns.
Well, I mean, that's the whole thing, right? That's the game. You can barely get your concealed carry in D.C. It takes months and months and months. I got one. I know. It takes forever, though. I brought somebody in the other day. I said, tell me how the concealed carry process is going. They said it takes six months to get an appointment. To even get your stuff.
Well, I mean, that's the whole thing, right? That's the game. You can barely get your concealed carry in D.C. It takes months and months and months. I got one. I know. It takes forever, though. I brought somebody in the other day. I said, tell me how the concealed carry process is going. They said it takes six months to get an appointment. To even get your stuff.
I don't know what to say to that.
I don't know what to say to that.
Let me go back to what they need. They need to stay focused on the violence, right? So the violence is guns. And, you know, look, cash has given us support to try to do some cold case stuff. The FBI has the ability to do more DNA testing to try to get, you know, a lot of cold case stuff is DNA. And if you can go back and look at stuff, rapes especially, and you can do it.
Let me go back to what they need. They need to stay focused on the violence, right? So the violence is guns. And, you know, look, cash has given us support to try to do some cold case stuff. The FBI has the ability to do more DNA testing to try to get, you know, a lot of cold case stuff is DNA. And if you can go back and look at stuff, rapes especially, and you can do it.
So there's lots you can do.
So there's lots you can do.
Yeah, the mob threatened Elon and the Doge guys. The mob threatened my prosecutors. The mob threatened Boasberg. And I said, any of these things, we're going to put a stop to it. But what happens is, I've not been able to try this out. I'll try to see if you like it. The Schumer smear. Schumer was so mad that I got into office and I said, hold on a second.
Yeah, the mob threatened Elon and the Doge guys. The mob threatened my prosecutors. The mob threatened Boasberg. And I said, any of these things, we're going to put a stop to it. But what happens is, I've not been able to try this out. I'll try to see if you like it. The Schumer smear. Schumer was so mad that I got into office and I said, hold on a second.
Well, I got briefed on it. It's now a while ago time-wise, but there's not a statute of limitations on it. But it's cold. To your point, it's a cold case.
Well, I got briefed on it. It's now a while ago time-wise, but there's not a statute of limitations on it. But it's cold. To your point, it's a cold case.
Well, there's evidence that there was a killing in such a way that, yeah, I mean, that you could say you can't know sort of why the killing happened. Right.
Well, there's evidence that there was a killing in such a way that, yeah, I mean, that you could say you can't know sort of why the killing happened. Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right. Why? I don't know the answer. It's a good question.
Right. Why? I don't know the answer. It's a good question.
How many days do I have left on the job? I'll go find out. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Things I should have asked. But the one I want to tell you about, this is important because you're going to see it nationwide this summer, and that's the problem of juveniles. In all these cities where you have Democrats and liberals in charge, they're soft on juveniles.
How many days do I have left on the job? I'll go find out. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Things I should have asked. But the one I want to tell you about, this is important because you're going to see it nationwide this summer, and that's the problem of juveniles. In all these cities where you have Democrats and liberals in charge, they're soft on juveniles.
So the juveniles get away with crimes and tougher and tougher, harder and harder crimes.
So the juveniles get away with crimes and tougher and tougher, harder and harder crimes.
Carjackings, you know, and worse. And so if that's the system, it's happened over and over now. And of course, the community that they are in has a lot of, you know, the schools are bad. There's not a lot of role models, right? Life is not in a good spot. And you churn this. You've got this situation. I said to someone, there was an incident down at the Navy Pier.
Carjackings, you know, and worse. And so if that's the system, it's happened over and over now. And of course, the community that they are in has a lot of, you know, the schools are bad. There's not a lot of role models, right? Life is not in a good spot. And you churn this. You've got this situation. I said to someone, there was an incident down at the Navy Pier.
A Navy yard where someone was a bunch of kids, juveniles come in these gangs and they and they steal wallets and they get around people. And I said to a friend of mine, he said, oh, yeah, the Navy peers like that. And I said, what are you talking about? It's Navy yard. He said the same thing happens in Chicago. In other words, every urban city has this problem of juveniles.
A Navy yard where someone was a bunch of kids, juveniles come in these gangs and they and they steal wallets and they get around people. And I said to a friend of mine, he said, oh, yeah, the Navy peers like that. And I said, what are you talking about? It's Navy yard. He said the same thing happens in Chicago. In other words, every urban city has this problem of juveniles.
And the reason why is because we continue to send them back and to keep them in this system that's just so broken.
And the reason why is because we continue to send them back and to keep them in this system that's just so broken.
No, no, of course. That's right. Exactly. No, it's a disaster.
No, no, of course. That's right. Exactly. No, it's a disaster.
Right. It's a disaster. But I think one of the things that that juvenile question is one that D.C. has to face because it's really and the older kids, if it were if they were girls, they'd be calling it trafficking because the older boys are trafficking the younger boys because they know they won't get into trouble the same way because they're underage.
Right. It's a disaster. But I think one of the things that that juvenile question is one that D.C. has to face because it's really and the older kids, if it were if they were girls, they'd be calling it trafficking because the older boys are trafficking the younger boys because they know they won't get into trouble the same way because they're underage.
So that part of it is a disaster, and that falls right on the D.C. City Council and the mayor and the current administration there that hasn't taken it seriously because you just need to lock them up. You need to get them out of D.C., put them in some place. You could pay to put them in another reform school or whatever to get them out of town. Instead, they let them loose. They don't detain them.
So that part of it is a disaster, and that falls right on the D.C. City Council and the mayor and the current administration there that hasn't taken it seriously because you just need to lock them up. You need to get them out of D.C., put them in some place. You could pay to put them in another reform school or whatever to get them out of town. Instead, they let them loose. They don't detain them.
If they wanted to.
If they wanted to.
Right. That's right.
Right. That's right.
Look, I mean, you're asking too many questions about the Republican Party. I mean, you're right. And the president, I think, is frustrated by the dynamic. I think he wishes that there was more action in terms of taking it over. But that's not been a priority.
Look, I mean, you're asking too many questions about the Republican Party. I mean, you're right. And the president, I think, is frustrated by the dynamic. I think he wishes that there was more action in terms of taking it over. But that's not been a priority.
You're not allowed to say the whirlwind is coming for Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. And then a month later, Kavanaugh's got a guy with zip ties and a gun. Remember this? Very well. And so I said, hold on. The statute of limitations is coming, five years. I'm going to investigate this, and I'm going to ask Chuck Schumer, what did you mean?
You're not allowed to say the whirlwind is coming for Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. And then a month later, Kavanaugh's got a guy with zip ties and a gun. Remember this? Very well. And so I said, hold on. The statute of limitations is coming, five years. I'm going to investigate this, and I'm going to ask Chuck Schumer, what did you mean?
Well, I mean, part of me wants to engage in some philosophical argument with you about what they think, but I mostly think it's what you said earlier. So this is a trend that you noticed. Yeah, they don't really care about these people. I mean, I'm the Republican. I'm the conservative. I'm supposed to not care. They say, you don't care about these people.
Well, I mean, part of me wants to engage in some philosophical argument with you about what they think, but I mostly think it's what you said earlier. So this is a trend that you noticed. Yeah, they don't really care about these people. I mean, I'm the Republican. I'm the conservative. I'm supposed to not care. They say, you don't care about these people.
When I get in this job, I look at it and say – Poor people, mostly black and brown, are living through hell because of the policies that you have, which is to let bad guys go with guns. You and I both would agree. If you do something with a gun badly, then you should be incarcerated.
When I get in this job, I look at it and say – Poor people, mostly black and brown, are living through hell because of the policies that you have, which is to let bad guys go with guns. You and I both would agree. If you do something with a gun badly, then you should be incarcerated.
No problem.
No problem.
I wish I could say it was a philosophical thing. It's that they really don't care about these people. They don't mind letting the people suffer and letting their communities get destroyed. And the rest of it is just window dressing. There's no other trying to read people's minds. It doesn't work.
I wish I could say it was a philosophical thing. It's that they really don't care about these people. They don't mind letting the people suffer and letting their communities get destroyed. And the rest of it is just window dressing. There's no other trying to read people's minds. It doesn't work.
You cannot mean that you're allowed to stand and threaten justices, right? And so I put that out. He refused to answer. He said it's offensive, all that stuff. And then he went on a jihad inside the Senate. He got opposition research, and he went – member to member and said, this guy, Martin, you can't vote for him. This guy, Martin, you can't. And so it's the Schumer smear.
You cannot mean that you're allowed to stand and threaten justices, right? And so I put that out. He refused to answer. He said it's offensive, all that stuff. And then he went on a jihad inside the Senate. He got opposition research, and he went – member to member and said, this guy, Martin, you can't vote for him. This guy, Martin, you can't. And so it's the Schumer smear.
In D.C.? Well, we started on guns.
In D.C.? Well, we started on guns.
And then we're going to switch, we're going to switch, keeps moving towards other violent crime. Now, the key pivot in this, again, it's down in the weeds a little bit, is to take these gun crimes and then down to rape and assault and go down even to property crimes because you You can't have CVS have everything behind lock and key. Right.
And then we're going to switch, we're going to switch, keeps moving towards other violent crime. Now, the key pivot in this, again, it's down in the weeds a little bit, is to take these gun crimes and then down to rape and assault and go down even to property crimes because you You can't have CVS have everything behind lock and key. Right.
But the two things that we're doing is dragging these cases to federal court because the local court is so bad. The juries are bad. The judges are bad. The system is bad. So you get them to federal court. You got a better chance to have real penalties and a bit more stability.
But the two things that we're doing is dragging these cases to federal court because the local court is so bad. The juries are bad. The judges are bad. The system is bad. So you get them to federal court. You got a better chance to have real penalties and a bit more stability.
But the problem really is going to be whether you can have the will of the judges to hold these people to the laws and to put them away. But you move along that continuum every single day in terms of addressing crime. The last thing I'd say is that a lot of talk about money. The mayor wants to build a stadium and all these things. They need more cops. And cops cost money.
But the problem really is going to be whether you can have the will of the judges to hold these people to the laws and to put them away. But you move along that continuum every single day in terms of addressing crime. The last thing I'd say is that a lot of talk about money. The mayor wants to build a stadium and all these things. They need more cops. And cops cost money.
He railed on J6. He said, how could you represent J6 people? How stupid do people have to be to go into the Capitol and blah, blah, blah?
He railed on J6. He said, how could you represent J6 people? How stupid do people have to be to go into the Capitol and blah, blah, blah?
But cops also require that you be on their side. Remember when we were kids, being an FBI agent was a big deal. Being a cop was a big deal. Oh, for sure. And now... young people don't feel drawn to those jobs, right? So it is hard to get cops. MPD is down probably, I think their ideal is 3,800 cops. They're at about 3,300. You can say you're going to get all these crimes.
But cops also require that you be on their side. Remember when we were kids, being an FBI agent was a big deal. Being a cop was a big deal. Oh, for sure. And now... young people don't feel drawn to those jobs, right? So it is hard to get cops. MPD is down probably, I think their ideal is 3,800 cops. They're at about 3,300. You can say you're going to get all these crimes.
You still got to go get cops and you got to find a way to get people into the system that can be on the streets and doing it. So if you give me my wishlist for DC to make it better in the next two or three years, it's continue to actually take real crimes and put them in federal court and then bolster the number of cops. And you can bolster the number of cops as a U.S.
You still got to go get cops and you got to find a way to get people into the system that can be on the streets and doing it. So if you give me my wishlist for DC to make it better in the next two or three years, it's continue to actually take real crimes and put them in federal court and then bolster the number of cops. And you can bolster the number of cops as a U.S.
attorney just by having their back, right? There's something called the Lewis list, which is what happens if you go to court and you're a cop and somebody claims you lied. They can put you on what's called a Lewis list, which is a requirement that the prosecutors tell a defendant that this guy testifying has had a problem in the past of credibility.
attorney just by having their back, right? There's something called the Lewis list, which is what happens if you go to court and you're a cop and somebody claims you lied. They can put you on what's called a Lewis list, which is a requirement that the prosecutors tell a defendant that this guy testifying has had a problem in the past of credibility.
But it's abused by the judges and the public defenders to hurt the cops. Well, I said, we're going to stick up for the cops and we're going to try to change that. So you got to stick up for the cops in lots of concrete ways that make the system work. But you've mostly just got to get after the crime systematically. Not hard. You know, Rudy and these famous prosecutors, they did one thing well.
But it's abused by the judges and the public defenders to hurt the cops. Well, I said, we're going to stick up for the cops and we're going to try to change that. So you got to stick up for the cops in lots of concrete ways that make the system work. But you've mostly just got to get after the crime systematically. Not hard. You know, Rudy and these famous prosecutors, they did one thing well.
They consistently prosecuted crime. They didn't come up with social plans. They didn't come just get a crime, put him in jail, get a crime, put him in jail. Metro just changed their rules in the district, both the buses and the metro, the trains, that you can get banned from the trains. Because once you get banned from the trains or banned from metro, I can then arrest you for a different charge.
They consistently prosecuted crime. They didn't come up with social plans. They didn't come just get a crime, put him in jail, get a crime, put him in jail. Metro just changed their rules in the district, both the buses and the metro, the trains, that you can get banned from the trains. Because once you get banned from the trains or banned from metro, I can then arrest you for a different charge.
It could be a felony for coming back in on a ban before that. You could go every day, could do three felonies, three misdemeanors a day. You could expose yourself in the morning, jump a fair thing in the afternoon and and, you know, whatever. And so Metro got serious and they were changing the dynamic. That's just plain getting the crimes down and focused on it. And but you got to want to do it.
It could be a felony for coming back in on a ban before that. You could go every day, could do three felonies, three misdemeanors a day. You could expose yourself in the morning, jump a fair thing in the afternoon and and, you know, whatever. And so Metro got serious and they were changing the dynamic. That's just plain getting the crimes down and focused on it. And but you got to want to do it.
You got to want to do it every day.
You got to want to do it every day.
Then they call me names in the Washington Post. You know, the Washington Post bid something they've never done before, Tucker. Underneath the line, Spencer Hsu, he put a thing that said, if you have any tips on Martin, send them to us. They've never done this before. It's like, we want to get Martin, send us the tips. I sent a letter to Bezos.
Then they call me names in the Washington Post. You know, the Washington Post bid something they've never done before, Tucker. Underneath the line, Spencer Hsu, he put a thing that said, if you have any tips on Martin, send them to us. They've never done this before. It's like, we want to get Martin, send us the tips. I sent a letter to Bezos.
Well, that's the word. The same thing.
Well, that's the word. The same thing.
Well, the big one that I was interested in is the number of times you can take DNA that was left behind. Those are a lot of sexual assault, rape and sexual assault. So those are the most obvious ones. There's some DNA cases on guns. If a weapon on a crime has some DNA on it, as the technology's gotten more sophisticated.
Well, the big one that I was interested in is the number of times you can take DNA that was left behind. Those are a lot of sexual assault, rape and sexual assault. So those are the most obvious ones. There's some DNA cases on guns. If a weapon on a crime has some DNA on it, as the technology's gotten more sophisticated.
But you can instantly go and using the databases now and technology, get a check on DNA from a lot of... Why has no one done that? Well, they are. It's just it's a process. It takes a lot of it takes a lot of time. I mean, one of the things you're doing is not everybody's in the database. So you're trying to track back through. But we are doing it.
But you can instantly go and using the databases now and technology, get a check on DNA from a lot of... Why has no one done that? Well, they are. It's just it's a process. It takes a lot of it takes a lot of time. I mean, one of the things you're doing is not everybody's in the database. So you're trying to track back through. But we are doing it.
A lot of people are in the database, but not not everybody. I mean, and so one of the well, and so the FBI has been good about I don't know why they were doing it, weren't doing it before. But the FBI has been great about letting us do it. And so we're you know, we're tracking that down.
A lot of people are in the database, but not not everybody. I mean, and so one of the well, and so the FBI has been good about I don't know why they were doing it, weren't doing it before. But the FBI has been great about letting us do it. And so we're you know, we're tracking that down.
Well, again, you know, Tucker, and look, I think President Trump is like this, how he approaches everything. And, I mean, that's how I wanted to serve, and I do. We did exactly what you're saying. We said to everybody on the Hill— come to a briefing on safety. We want to keep you safe because the staffers care, right? The staffers are getting assaulted and all.
Well, again, you know, Tucker, and look, I think President Trump is like this, how he approaches everything. And, I mean, that's how I wanted to serve, and I do. We did exactly what you're saying. We said to everybody on the Hill— come to a briefing on safety. We want to keep you safe because the staffers care, right? The staffers are getting assaulted and all.
And people came to that and people want to hear how we're going to do that, how we can prosecute, because law enforcement, again, is partly prosecuting, but it's a lot of showing up and showing force so people know you're safer. And yeah, I mean, look, I think they care. The question is whether it leads to policy, you know, and...
And people came to that and people want to hear how we're going to do that, how we can prosecute, because law enforcement, again, is partly prosecuting, but it's a lot of showing up and showing force so people know you're safer. And yeah, I mean, look, I think they care. The question is whether it leads to policy, you know, and...
Again, my job as prosecutor in that office is to get after the crimes as I've got them. And if they're not going to adjust their policies, I can't worry about that on the days, you know, day to day of getting after crime. But I'll tell you what, when I go to, you know, Anacostia or I go to these neighborhoods, they care and they know the U.S. attorney is paying attention to that.
Again, my job as prosecutor in that office is to get after the crimes as I've got them. And if they're not going to adjust their policies, I can't worry about that on the days, you know, day to day of getting after crime. But I'll tell you what, when I go to, you know, Anacostia or I go to these neighborhoods, they care and they know the U.S. attorney is paying attention to that.
And that's probably more important than the folks up on the Hill.
And that's probably more important than the folks up on the Hill.
Well, you know, one of the aspects of, you know, weaponization is what I've been talking about with the new role. I've been on this weaponization working group.
Well, you know, one of the aspects of, you know, weaponization is what I've been talking about with the new role. I've been on this weaponization working group.
I said, hey, I'm not sure this is how the newspaper is supposed to run. He hasn't responded yet. But my point is, President Trump said fight for the future of the country. And that fight can't be trapped in the article three gentility of a hundred years ago. It's the fight we got right now. And that's what we're doing. So I think they hated me. And this woman came up to me screeching in a way.
I said, hey, I'm not sure this is how the newspaper is supposed to run. He hasn't responded yet. But my point is, President Trump said fight for the future of the country. And that fight can't be trapped in the article three gentility of a hundred years ago. It's the fight we got right now. And that's what we're doing. So I think they hated me. And this woman came up to me screeching in a way.
Yeah, weaponization of the legal system, but really the weaponization of the law, the use of the law to hide and operate. So Wikipedia has this incredible, So 501c3, right, gets a tax benefit from We The People. It's a public benefit corporation.
Yeah, weaponization of the legal system, but really the weaponization of the law, the use of the law to hide and operate. So Wikipedia has this incredible, So 501c3, right, gets a tax benefit from We The People. It's a public benefit corporation.
You know, in the 1950s, they looked at this closely because the Rockefeller Foundation, the Carnegie Foundation had been using their foundations and abusing it. And that's when the law first changed to have 501c3 become a tax code. It was part of the— shift, right? So the Cox report or the Reese committee or whatever it was.
You know, in the 1950s, they looked at this closely because the Rockefeller Foundation, the Carnegie Foundation had been using their foundations and abusing it. And that's when the law first changed to have 501c3 become a tax code. It was part of the— shift, right? So the Cox report or the Reese committee or whatever it was.
But so we have this problem where these Wikipedia has all this money that they use because they're a 501c3, a nonprofit that's supposed to be for the public benefit.
But so we have this problem where these Wikipedia has all this money that they use because they're a 501c3, a nonprofit that's supposed to be for the public benefit.
I don't even know. I don't know the numbers. They pay no taxes, right? I'm not sure if they pay zero, but they probably say they pay payroll and other things. They have an answer to that, but they would be tax exempt under the code. But more importantly, they're obviously biased. They're obviously – and they're anti-Semitic is the big one, but they're obviously biased in all sorts of other ways.
I don't even know. I don't know the numbers. They pay no taxes, right? I'm not sure if they pay zero, but they probably say they pay payroll and other things. They have an answer to that, but they would be tax exempt under the code. But more importantly, they're obviously biased. They're obviously – and they're anti-Semitic is the big one, but they're obviously biased in all sorts of other ways.
In fact, as soon as I started taking them on, my Wikipedia page went even worse to hell in terms of people coming on and editing it, supposedly citizen editors. So there's bias – again, information war, right? There's bias here that is against – We the people, in my opinion, but certainly it's bias that's hidden from us because they're hiding behind the law.
In fact, as soon as I started taking them on, my Wikipedia page went even worse to hell in terms of people coming on and editing it, supposedly citizen editors. So there's bias – again, information war, right? There's bias here that is against – We the people, in my opinion, but certainly it's bias that's hidden from us because they're hiding behind the law.
In other words, they're using the law in a way that is weaponized against certain groups and individuals. And so that's what we basically said to Wikipedia is, hey, let's look closely at what you're doing and how it's operating and see who's benefiting or not benefiting and paying a price. And by the way, as soon as this happens, they get panicked because they know. We know.
In other words, they're using the law in a way that is weaponized against certain groups and individuals. And so that's what we basically said to Wikipedia is, hey, let's look closely at what you're doing and how it's operating and see who's benefiting or not benefiting and paying a price. And by the way, as soon as this happens, they get panicked because they know. We know.
There's another reason. I wrote to a number of the medical journals and I said, you guys are all 501c3. You get big benefits from tax exempt status. How are you balancing, you know, the partisan nature of the work you're doing?
There's another reason. I wrote to a number of the medical journals and I said, you guys are all 501c3. You get big benefits from tax exempt status. How are you balancing, you know, the partisan nature of the work you're doing?
How are you abiding by the laws that say that you're not supposed to be picking sides or paid for by one donor or the other and that they lose their mind because no one's supposed to ask? You know, you're not supposed to ask. It's like USAID. We weren't supposed to ask until this last six months. Why are we spending $400 million in wherever? Right. Why is this? We're not allowed to ask.
How are you abiding by the laws that say that you're not supposed to be picking sides or paid for by one donor or the other and that they lose their mind because no one's supposed to ask? You know, you're not supposed to ask. It's like USAID. We weren't supposed to ask until this last six months. Why are we spending $400 million in wherever? Right. Why is this? We're not allowed to ask.
So that's a part of this weaponization thing that I think is underrated. And with Wikipedia got a huge reaction.
So that's a part of this weaponization thing that I think is underrated. And with Wikipedia got a huge reaction.
That's right.
That's right.
I know, but we're back right again. We started—we're back to the information war, right? It's a war over information. And if nobody—you tell me who— Well, let me say it this way. A prosecutor saying that about Wikipedia is vastly different than Tucker Carlson saying it.
I know, but we're back right again. We started—we're back to the information war, right? It's a war over information. And if nobody—you tell me who— Well, let me say it this way. A prosecutor saying that about Wikipedia is vastly different than Tucker Carlson saying it.
And that's the point of the job.
And that's the point of the job.
Well, right, exactly. And that's why Donald Trump, in my estimation, said to guys like me, go and do this because the role is not just to find the right guy to prosecute. We got to do that too if it rises to that. It's to make clear how off...
Well, right, exactly. And that's why Donald Trump, in my estimation, said to guys like me, go and do this because the role is not just to find the right guy to prosecute. We got to do that too if it rises to that. It's to make clear how off...
I mean, she can't know me. She didn't know me. I never met her as screeching, screeching, screeching, swearing, and then spitting, you know, I don't know. I just, uh, who was she? What happened to her? Well, they've identified her and I guess they've they've I don't know if they've picked her up yet, but they know exactly who it is and all that.
I mean, she can't know me. She didn't know me. I never met her as screeching, screeching, screeching, swearing, and then spitting, you know, I don't know. I just, uh, who was she? What happened to her? Well, they've identified her and I guess they've they've I don't know if they've picked her up yet, but they know exactly who it is and all that.
Not yet, but that just started. And that sort of opening salvo was about three weeks ago. So Judge Jeanine will have that one on her plate. But, you know, where I'm going, the job I'm going to, I don't have to leave any of that stuff behind. So I can tell you, I thought you were going to go a different direction.
Not yet, but that just started. And that sort of opening salvo was about three weeks ago. So Judge Jeanine will have that one on her plate. But, you know, where I'm going, the job I'm going to, I don't have to leave any of that stuff behind. So I can tell you, I thought you were going to go a different direction.
And I'll say on the weaponization working group, as it's described by Attorney General Bondi and the president's direction. The intelligence community is one of the groups that was weaponized against the people, obviously. It's obvious. The question is, how are we going to get to the bottom of it, right?
And I'll say on the weaponization working group, as it's described by Attorney General Bondi and the president's direction. The intelligence community is one of the groups that was weaponized against the people, obviously. It's obvious. The question is, how are we going to get to the bottom of it, right?
How are we going to get to the bottom of some of the weaponization of the government, intelligence community, against the citizens? And that's where I'm going now.
How are we going to get to the bottom of some of the weaponization of the government, intelligence community, against the citizens? And that's where I'm going now.
Well, they can tell me. I'm now in the system. Well, we'll see if I can get it. But again, the point of getting— See if you can get what? Well, the point of getting into these positions as a prosecutor is I'm now getting the clearances to be able to get to the level where you can look at.
Well, they can tell me. I'm now in the system. Well, we'll see if I can get it. But again, the point of getting— See if you can get what? Well, the point of getting into these positions as a prosecutor is I'm now getting the clearances to be able to get to the level where you can look at.
So I know that still try not to tell you, but that's the point of this fight is you cannot win the information battle based on what they let you see. It's what you have to find, even in our government.
So I know that still try not to tell you, but that's the point of this fight is you cannot win the information battle based on what they let you see. It's what you have to find, even in our government.
At all. Right, exactly. Back to weaponization. The 51 guys that signed the letter on the Hunter Biden laptop, you'd have to be a fool to think that's an isolated incident. In other words, if they're willing to misuse and mischaracterize a letter based on their status and the advantage that they have as insiders, that's not the only time they did it. No, exactly.
At all. Right, exactly. Back to weaponization. The 51 guys that signed the letter on the Hunter Biden laptop, you'd have to be a fool to think that's an isolated incident. In other words, if they're willing to misuse and mischaracterize a letter based on their status and the advantage that they have as insiders, that's not the only time they did it. No, exactly.
And so the question is, how endemic is the weaponization? Right. And we both know the answer. This is back to your point. It's much, much worse than we think. The question is, how do we continually go about getting to the bottom of it? I'll probably get myself in trouble. You intro. Who knows? One of the ways I ran elections.
And so the question is, how endemic is the weaponization? Right. And we both know the answer. This is back to your point. It's much, much worse than we think. The question is, how do we continually go about getting to the bottom of it? I'll probably get myself in trouble. You intro. Who knows? One of the ways I ran elections.
One of the places I think that is really problematic that nobody has looked at is the certification of systems. Right. Certification of election systems. Right. For the record, not saying there's any fraud. But how do you certify?
One of the places I think that is really problematic that nobody has looked at is the certification of systems. Right. Certification of election systems. Right. For the record, not saying there's any fraud. But how do you certify?
Well, I know, but the election. Look at what's at stake. Exactly. Well, no, no, but even better. Look at how much money it is. That's what I'm saying. Right. Well, okay. But even just the Election Assistance Commission is the entity that certifies machines. Okay.
Well, I know, but the election. Look at what's at stake. Exactly. Well, no, no, but even better. Look at how much money it is. That's what I'm saying. Right. Well, okay. But even just the Election Assistance Commission is the entity that certifies machines. Okay.
And so, as you might imagine, I'm not involved in the case because, you know, I'm the victim in this case. So that's got to be processed. But I think that, you know, marshals and FBI were right on it and they they've got to figure it out.
And so, as you might imagine, I'm not involved in the case because, you know, I'm the victim in this case. So that's got to be processed. But I think that, you know, marshals and FBI were right on it and they they've got to figure it out.
It has no real teeth, but it controls who's certified or not, which means it controls who has the good housekeeping stamp of approval worth hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. What are the chances that that has been done? Everything else we've seen in government is broken, corrupt, messy, incompetent or something. Right.
It has no real teeth, but it controls who's certified or not, which means it controls who has the good housekeeping stamp of approval worth hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. What are the chances that that has been done? Everything else we've seen in government is broken, corrupt, messy, incompetent or something. Right.
What are the chances that's the one place where it's totally competent and totally without any flaws? I'm just saying, let's go look. Right. And that's what we've got to do to get to the bottom of this.
What are the chances that's the one place where it's totally competent and totally without any flaws? I'm just saying, let's go look. Right. And that's what we've got to do to get to the bottom of this.
I love when you do this Tucker move. It's weird. It's weird only if you impute good intentions to these people. It is weird then. No, you're right. It's totally predictable. I mean, and all around the world, by the way, they're watching this happening. Poland right now, they're in the midst of, they're trying to take Poland out. Obama is in Poland. There's an election in a week. Of course.
I love when you do this Tucker move. It's weird. It's weird only if you impute good intentions to these people. It is weird then. No, you're right. It's totally predictable. I mean, and all around the world, by the way, they're watching this happening. Poland right now, they're in the midst of, they're trying to take Poland out. Obama is in Poland. There's an election in a week. Of course.
Obama's in Poland. I had a whistleblower.
Obama's in Poland. I had a whistleblower.
I had a whistleblower come into my office, and they were telling me the story that every couple of months, Samantha Powers would arrive with USAID money to this country. I won't say which one. And I said, you guys know who Samantha Powers is? Of course we do. She was arriving with the money, and they knew it was sort of the beginnings of a color revolution. It's not lost on the world, right?
I had a whistleblower come into my office, and they were telling me the story that every couple of months, Samantha Powers would arrive with USAID money to this country. I won't say which one. And I said, you guys know who Samantha Powers is? Of course we do. She was arriving with the money, and they knew it was sort of the beginnings of a color revolution. It's not lost on the world, right?
It's not at all lost. Again, the question is... Are we going to get all of it out? Are we going to name it and then hold some people accountable? People say, are you going to walk people out in cuffs? Right now, I'd be happy to have just people know their names, right? I'd like the cuffs later if they commit a crime. But right now, people don't even know their names.
It's not at all lost. Again, the question is... Are we going to get all of it out? Are we going to name it and then hold some people accountable? People say, are you going to walk people out in cuffs? Right now, I'd be happy to have just people know their names, right? I'd like the cuffs later if they commit a crime. But right now, people don't even know their names.
And the question is whether we can even get through the information storm that we're in to get that out.
And the question is whether we can even get through the information storm that we're in to get that out.
Well, that's not on my docket.
Well, that's not on my docket.
But it's like... I know.
But it's like... I know.
Well, and back to say it again, that's the big one you can see. How many are you not seeing?
Well, and back to say it again, that's the big one you can see. How many are you not seeing?
That's exactly right. That's right. That's what I'm saying. This is still David versus Goliath.
That's exactly right. That's right. That's what I'm saying. This is still David versus Goliath.
Yeah, it's not a crossfire hurricane, which, you know... No, it's not 9-11.
Yeah, it's not a crossfire hurricane, which, you know... No, it's not 9-11.
Well, I think that the role I played is epitomized by that, right? Public and willing to fight for the right things. And Schumer certainly took it to heart and made a big deal out of it. And then they just made me into somebody who's... The Washington Post had me on the front page of A1 or B1 every day for three or four weeks. Wild. A U.S. attorney. Dick Durbin sent me 561 questions.
Well, I think that the role I played is epitomized by that, right? Public and willing to fight for the right things. And Schumer certainly took it to heart and made a big deal out of it. And then they just made me into somebody who's... The Washington Post had me on the front page of A1 or B1 every day for three or four weeks. Wild. A U.S. attorney. Dick Durbin sent me 561 questions.
COVID, right. I was just going to say, right.
COVID, right. I was just going to say, right.
Well, most of the ones I work with. I mostly work with DAG's office. You know, that's Blanche and Emil Bove and some of those guys. Those guys, when they turned the lights on on the inauguration day, there was only a handful of us there. And those folks are in the mindset we're talking about.
Well, most of the ones I work with. I mostly work with DAG's office. You know, that's Blanche and Emil Bove and some of those guys. Those guys, when they turned the lights on on the inauguration day, there was only a handful of us there. And those folks are in the mindset we're talking about.
Oh, no, no. They're mostly scared. I mean, they're mostly scared and nervous. And If they're left-leaning or establishment and don't want a part of it, that's one thing. But most of them are just, you know, they've seen this go on too long, right? Our side doesn't win ever. So you're not going to have people betting with the side that never wins, right?
Oh, no, no. They're mostly scared. I mean, they're mostly scared and nervous. And If they're left-leaning or establishment and don't want a part of it, that's one thing. But most of them are just, you know, they've seen this go on too long, right? Our side doesn't win ever. So you're not going to have people betting with the side that never wins, right?
They're not like, oh, my career will be better if I go with those guys. This time they're like, I did that for a minute back in, you know, 1985 and it didn't work out well, right? So that's the problem with that.
They're not like, oh, my career will be better if I go with those guys. This time they're like, I did that for a minute back in, you know, 1985 and it didn't work out well, right? So that's the problem with that.
Oh, I mean, the only thing that makes me think it wasn't worse than you can even imagine is he has a bit of a Biden, Joe Biden kind of mentality. There was everything going around him and he wasn't checked in. It seems like to me, you know, I'm not saying he was mentally off. I'm saying he was he was a caretaker and Lisa Monaco and others were running everything.
Oh, I mean, the only thing that makes me think it wasn't worse than you can even imagine is he has a bit of a Biden, Joe Biden kind of mentality. There was everything going around him and he wasn't checked in. It seems like to me, you know, I'm not saying he was mentally off. I'm saying he was he was a caretaker and Lisa Monaco and others were running everything.
So when you know, he was more maybe maybe I'm being too generous. He may have been more clueless than that.
So when you know, he was more maybe maybe I'm being too generous. He may have been more clueless than that.
than uh willful i'm not surprised yeah but um like like muller was that way too i think oh 100 guaranteed yeah and when history is written you know and i intend to write a whole bunch of it tucker so uh when it's written you know you watch this it'll accelerate under obama right it used to be politicized i think And now it's weaponized. That's the pivot that went on. Right.
than uh willful i'm not surprised yeah but um like like muller was that way too i think oh 100 guaranteed yeah and when history is written you know and i intend to write a whole bunch of it tucker so uh when it's written you know you watch this it'll accelerate under obama right it used to be politicized i think And now it's weaponized. That's the pivot that went on. Right.
It used to be politicized. Somebody's advantage or not. Bill Clinton, I think maybe I'm being too generous. He was sort of politicizing things. It got weaponized where they're destroying people, putting people in jail, trying to kill them. Remember Obama joking about I'm good at killing people. Right. There was a there was a sense of sort of of of real disrespect for humanity that kicked in.
It used to be politicized. Somebody's advantage or not. Bill Clinton, I think maybe I'm being too generous. He was sort of politicizing things. It got weaponized where they're destroying people, putting people in jail, trying to kill them. Remember Obama joking about I'm good at killing people. Right. There was a there was a sense of sort of of of real disrespect for humanity that kicked in.
And it kicked in and drove through that. That's what Biden, the Biden term is something we barely escaped, in my opinion, in terms of that idea and that destruction of citizens.
And it kicked in and drove through that. That's what Biden, the Biden term is something we barely escaped, in my opinion, in terms of that idea and that destruction of citizens.
Well, I think she's at a big law firm. I wrote to her. I wrote to her letter and said, what's going on? We want to check on things. Yeah, she's at a big law firm. She's cycling out. It's all the same. Andrew Weissman, Lisa Monaco, they all go. Lisa Monaco went to NYU recently, gave a speech, probably got paid for it. Remember the Vindmans? Vindman got a job, the one in Congress.
Well, I think she's at a big law firm. I wrote to her. I wrote to her letter and said, what's going on? We want to check on things. Yeah, she's at a big law firm. She's cycling out. It's all the same. Andrew Weissman, Lisa Monaco, they all go. Lisa Monaco went to NYU recently, gave a speech, probably got paid for it. Remember the Vindmans? Vindman got a job, the one in Congress.
He got a job at Georgetown for 100 grand. He didn't teach, but he was some sort of fellow or something. Again, back to Georgetown. It's just a cycle there where they're all very well paid and they talk to each other and then they get ready for the next... You know, I've heard Norm Eisen or whoever tells him this is the next way we're going.
He got a job at Georgetown for 100 grand. He didn't teach, but he was some sort of fellow or something. Again, back to Georgetown. It's just a cycle there where they're all very well paid and they talk to each other and then they get ready for the next... You know, I've heard Norm Eisen or whoever tells him this is the next way we're going.
And so, you know, I think the good news is we do have on our side the truth and we just got to keep fighting for it.
And so, you know, I think the good news is we do have on our side the truth and we just got to keep fighting for it.
Well, Attorney General Bondi, when we started the group, she was, she gave us some real straight marching on. Jack Smith, what he did, which is unbelievable. Unbelievable. Anyway, the Catholics that were targeted, remember the Richmond memo? How did that happen? J6 is another one. One of her charges on the working group was whistleblowers, the whistleblowers that were targeted.
Well, Attorney General Bondi, when we started the group, she was, she gave us some real straight marching on. Jack Smith, what he did, which is unbelievable. Unbelievable. Anyway, the Catholics that were targeted, remember the Richmond memo? How did that happen? J6 is another one. One of her charges on the working group was whistleblowers, the whistleblowers that were targeted.
District court judges don't get that many. You know, no U.S. attorney's ever gotten that many question after question accusing me of this and that and the other thing. So they obviously knew they didn't like something about what I was doing. And the public picks up on it. Right.
District court judges don't get that many. You know, no U.S. attorney's ever gotten that many question after question accusing me of this and that and the other thing. So they obviously knew they didn't like something about what I was doing. And the public picks up on it. Right.
You talk about weaponization, Tucker. Remember the guy that's in jail up in, I think, West Virginia? Yeah. He supposedly Lone Ranger. He stole all the tax returns and he leaked Trump's. Remember, he leaked Trump's, but nobody paid attention. He also leaked four or five or 600 or maybe a little more of the wealthiest people in America, mostly conservatives. You know, it's funny how that happened.
You talk about weaponization, Tucker. Remember the guy that's in jail up in, I think, West Virginia? Yeah. He supposedly Lone Ranger. He stole all the tax returns and he leaked Trump's. Remember, he leaked Trump's, but nobody paid attention. He also leaked four or five or 600 or maybe a little more of the wealthiest people in America, mostly conservatives. You know, it's funny how that happened.
And then a whole bunch of small businesses, mostly conservative. And I got a briefing on that. And I said, this guy acted alone. He didn't tell anyone. And they're like, oh, yeah, he's like Snowden. I'm like, are you joking? Are you really telling me he's like somehow he's like the Snowden of IRS tax? You know, because this was weaponized.
And then a whole bunch of small businesses, mostly conservative. And I got a briefing on that. And I said, this guy acted alone. He didn't tell anyone. And they're like, oh, yeah, he's like Snowden. I'm like, are you joking? Are you really telling me he's like somehow he's like the Snowden of IRS tax? You know, because this was weaponized.
Right now, it's Trump's party. It's just that some of the elites don't want to let go.
Right now, it's Trump's party. It's just that some of the elites don't want to let go.
Remember, it was it was ProPublica that first he went to New York Times. Then he went to ProPublica, which was going hammer and tongs one after another against all these people. Again, weaponizing American law against citizens. So it's that's a bit of a digression. But to say the whistleblowers in the IRS and other places that came forward have been targeted under the Biden administration.
Remember, it was it was ProPublica that first he went to New York Times. Then he went to ProPublica, which was going hammer and tongs one after another against all these people. Again, weaponizing American law against citizens. So it's that's a bit of a digression. But to say the whistleblowers in the IRS and other places that came forward have been targeted under the Biden administration.
So that's another thing that Bondi says do school boards all across the country when they targeted school board parents. That's another focus for us to look at. So. But we'll also be looking at, as I said, the intelligence community and broader, right? We've got Crossfire Hurricane is still a big deal, obviously getting to the bottom of that. They end up overlapping a lot, as you know.
So that's another thing that Bondi says do school boards all across the country when they targeted school board parents. That's another focus for us to look at. So. But we'll also be looking at, as I said, the intelligence community and broader, right? We've got Crossfire Hurricane is still a big deal, obviously getting to the bottom of that. They end up overlapping a lot, as you know.
But there's a lot to do, a lot to do.
But there's a lot to do, a lot to do.
That's another one where I am right now.
That's another one where I am right now.
Well, no, I'm happy to help in any way I can. I haven't been in on that. I've not been on that matter now.
Well, no, I'm happy to help in any way I can. I haven't been in on that. I've not been on that matter now.
I don't think there's a way for the public to petition, but I think as you ask about it, people will respond. I guess I don't—I never saw that if there was a— No, it was never—they never did the investigation.
I don't think there's a way for the public to petition, but I think as you ask about it, people will respond. I guess I don't—I never saw that if there was a— No, it was never—they never did the investigation.
Well, that's I think that's fair.
Well, that's I think that's fair.
Oh, that's the first I've heard of it. I don't know. Again, I know that when I got into office, I wanted to talk about the pipe bomb. and find out more about the pipe. I also want somebody to, I'm going to get to the bottom of some of the January 6th, remember the gallows, the fake gallows that were built? They're built by five guys who, you can see them on video all over the place.
Oh, that's the first I've heard of it. I don't know. Again, I know that when I got into office, I wanted to talk about the pipe bomb. and find out more about the pipe. I also want somebody to, I'm going to get to the bottom of some of the January 6th, remember the gallows, the fake gallows that were built? They're built by five guys who, you can see them on video all over the place.
Iconic image used to destroy America around the world, that somehow this was a gallows with a noose, total fraud, total fraud. What happened to those guys? I don't know, we never found them. We never found them.
Iconic image used to destroy America around the world, that somehow this was a gallows with a noose, total fraud, total fraud. What happened to those guys? I don't know, we never found them. We never found them.
Can't find those guys.
Can't find those guys.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
And I'm with Darren. I mean, before I was in office, I kept saying, how can this possibly be? If you go to any other part of the world and you say the two major political parties had bombs put by their front door, it'd be the story forever. Right. Sounds like, you know, just before World War Two started, there were bombs placed somewhere. Right. I mean, in front of the parties.
And I'm with Darren. I mean, before I was in office, I kept saying, how can this possibly be? If you go to any other part of the world and you say the two major political parties had bombs put by their front door, it'd be the story forever. Right. Sounds like, you know, just before World War Two started, there were bombs placed somewhere. Right. I mean, in front of the parties.
So I never understood either. And the bombs were, you know, they were sort of rudimentary, but they clearly were somebody knew what they were doing for the look. I mean, again, it's information. It was an information. Whatever it is, it became a piece of information or a play over information that we haven't gotten to the bottom of.
So I never understood either. And the bombs were, you know, they were sort of rudimentary, but they clearly were somebody knew what they were doing for the look. I mean, again, it's information. It was an information. Whatever it is, it became a piece of information or a play over information that we haven't gotten to the bottom of.
Yeah. Yeah. We'll get there.
Yeah. Yeah. We'll get there.
Something like that, yeah.
Something like that, yeah.
Well, not just the numbers, everything about characteristics of all of the election, and then... There was the admissions that the election was fortified. It was intentionally planned to do that in such a way to get results that looked off. Now, does that mean they cheated?
Well, not just the numbers, everything about characteristics of all of the election, and then... There was the admissions that the election was fortified. It was intentionally planned to do that in such a way to get results that looked off. Now, does that mean they cheated?
We don't have that smoking gun, but we certainly have over and over and over again aspects of things that didn't look right, and we've never had the answers on it. So, yes, we will get to the bottom of it again. This is the point about information. You cannot move ahead if you don't actually know what happened, and clearly...
We don't have that smoking gun, but we certainly have over and over and over again aspects of things that didn't look right, and we've never had the answers on it. So, yes, we will get to the bottom of it again. This is the point about information. You cannot move ahead if you don't actually know what happened, and clearly...
Yeah, no, no, that's not quite true. No, look, I would have won on the floor, but the Judiciary Committee, Tillis, Tom Tillis decided to block it in the Judiciary Committee.
Yeah, no, no, that's not quite true. No, look, I would have won on the floor, but the Judiciary Committee, Tillis, Tom Tillis decided to block it in the Judiciary Committee.
Clearly, the mainstream media and the elites told us you have to shut up. You're not allowed to talk about that. It's insane.
Clearly, the mainstream media and the elites told us you have to shut up. You're not allowed to talk about that. It's insane.
We all remember it well. And then January 6th was used, in my opinion, to try to shut off the conversation even more. Oh, I know. But I do think we'll get to the bottom of it.
We all remember it well. And then January 6th was used, in my opinion, to try to shut off the conversation even more. Oh, I know. But I do think we'll get to the bottom of it.
Yes. Yes. Yes. I mean, I wish it was faster. I feel the same frustration, right? Getting people arrested faster and prosecuted faster. You know, I wish it was fast. We're 120 days in, 115 days in. And where I sit, I can tell you, I was there pushing on key issues. I'm in the middle of a bunch of them. Judge Jeanine will keep them going. It's harder than you think to move fast enough.
Yes. Yes. Yes. I mean, I wish it was faster. I feel the same frustration, right? Getting people arrested faster and prosecuted faster. You know, I wish it was fast. We're 120 days in, 115 days in. And where I sit, I can tell you, I was there pushing on key issues. I'm in the middle of a bunch of them. Judge Jeanine will keep them going. It's harder than you think to move fast enough.
I agree with all that. But there will be accountability. The truth will be known. People will be accountable. And as importantly, by the way, people that have been damaged will be healed. They will be given either pardons like the president's done for a lot of people or other things. I think, you know, we have a set of people that have been targeted by the government that deserve to be helped.
I agree with all that. But there will be accountability. The truth will be known. People will be accountable. And as importantly, by the way, people that have been damaged will be healed. They will be given either pardons like the president's done for a lot of people or other things. I think, you know, we have a set of people that have been targeted by the government that deserve to be helped.
Yeah, well, something like that, yeah.
Yeah, well, something like that, yeah.
And that's going to be part of this, guaranteed.
And that's going to be part of this, guaranteed.
By the way, that did make a man. I will say this. People ask me in all my interviews that Senate, they said, are you for reparations? So that's a stupid term that was used about. But I am for when somebody gets wronged and destroyed by their government, that they be taken care of, that they they try to make them whole insofar as they can. That's only fair.
By the way, that did make a man. I will say this. People ask me in all my interviews that Senate, they said, are you for reparations? So that's a stupid term that was used about. But I am for when somebody gets wronged and destroyed by their government, that they be taken care of, that they they try to make them whole insofar as they can. That's only fair.
Right, right.
Right, right.
By the way, that's not Strzok and and Page getting a million dollar payout, which is what they got. By the way, that's another form of weaponization of government when you have Biden administration and Strzok and Page transferring wealth to each other based on an agreement. That's completely inappropriate.
By the way, that's not Strzok and and Page getting a million dollar payout, which is what they got. By the way, that's another form of weaponization of government when you have Biden administration and Strzok and Page transferring wealth to each other based on an agreement. That's completely inappropriate.
They sued because they were heard about how their texts were released to the public.
They sued because they were heard about how their texts were released to the public.
No one gave me a million dollars. Maybe give me a call. No, give us a call. But but so so getting to the bottom of that kind of stuff, that kind of conduct is another part of this thing. So it's but it will it almost feels like it can never end because it's so, you know, the weaponization against the citizens began a long time ago.
No one gave me a million dollars. Maybe give me a call. No, give us a call. But but so so getting to the bottom of that kind of stuff, that kind of conduct is another part of this thing. So it's but it will it almost feels like it can never end because it's so, you know, the weaponization against the citizens began a long time ago.
But we really started to see it under Biden and they they accelerated the conduct. As you can see it, you can see the memos. Merrick Garland and all, target the Catholics, right? And go after the school boards and Jack Smith. Jack Smith took, he used a grand jury in DC, which is famously favorable to the Democrats to do almost all of his work.
But we really started to see it under Biden and they they accelerated the conduct. As you can see it, you can see the memos. Merrick Garland and all, target the Catholics, right? And go after the school boards and Jack Smith. Jack Smith took, he used a grand jury in DC, which is famously favorable to the Democrats to do almost all of his work.
And then he flew down to Florida and basically transferred it down there. The For lawyers, this is like unheard of stuff. And everybody goes, oh, yeah, you know, Letitia James. And the way the conduct happens and people go, oh, yeah, you know. By the way, one thing too, Tucker, to preview.
And then he flew down to Florida and basically transferred it down there. The For lawyers, this is like unheard of stuff. And everybody goes, oh, yeah, you know, Letitia James. And the way the conduct happens and people go, oh, yeah, you know. By the way, one thing too, Tucker, to preview.
The lawyers, the bar associations and the targeting of lawyers is another way that they've weaponized government against people. You know, you can say what you want about Rudy or something publicly.
The lawyers, the bar associations and the targeting of lawyers is another way that they've weaponized government against people. You know, you can say what you want about Rudy or something publicly.
we've never had the system weaponized against lawyers for doing their jobs right it's never been like that again it's it's indication of something wrong with why are you so upset about the election there's a reason exactly but also it's it's also inappropriate uh as a matter of public policy those organizations are all 501c3s they're all protected by law they're all basically monopolies right so they're so you're sitting here where you got the dc bar disciplinary council is basically doing dick durbin's bidding
we've never had the system weaponized against lawyers for doing their jobs right it's never been like that again it's it's indication of something wrong with why are you so upset about the election there's a reason exactly but also it's it's also inappropriate uh as a matter of public policy those organizations are all 501c3s they're all protected by law they're all basically monopolies right so they're so you're sitting here where you got the dc bar disciplinary council is basically doing dick durbin's bidding
Every time Dick Durbin says something, he'll make a complaint against me. He'll do it against Judge Jeanine. And you're like, wait a second. This is not the system that we're supposed to have. So it's another one that's the weaponization of the law against the citizens to the detriment of the country.
Every time Dick Durbin says something, he'll make a complaint against me. He'll do it against Judge Jeanine. And you're like, wait a second. This is not the system that we're supposed to have. So it's another one that's the weaponization of the law against the citizens to the detriment of the country.
Well, you've been reading the Washington Post. I haven't been.
Well, you've been reading the Washington Post. I haven't been.
It's been going on, though, for a while. I mean, maybe. I mean, look, Phyllis Schlafly, for whom I worked, there's this famous exchange where she's given a speech, and she says, Clarence Thomas said to her, how do you keep going, Phyllis? You know, she said, how do you keep—he said, and she said, there's a prayer, she says, you know, that she would always say, from the malignant enemy, defend me.
It's been going on, though, for a while. I mean, maybe. I mean, look, Phyllis Schlafly, for whom I worked, there's this famous exchange where she's given a speech, and she says, Clarence Thomas said to her, how do you keep going, Phyllis? You know, she said, how do you keep—he said, and she said, there's a prayer, she says, you know, that she would always say, from the malignant enemy, defend me.
It's one of the Catholic prayers, you know. Yes. You know, look, we're so blessed. You know, you have the same attitude to be in this country, to have so many opportunities. And people deserve, our families deserve to have a future. And so this is the fight that we're in. And, you know, they've said terrible things for about a month. My wife doesn't watch TV, which is great.
It's one of the Catholic prayers, you know. Yes. You know, look, we're so blessed. You know, you have the same attitude to be in this country, to have so many opportunities. And people deserve, our families deserve to have a future. And so this is the fight that we're in. And, you know, they've said terrible things for about a month. My wife doesn't watch TV, which is great.
Doesn't read the papers, thank God. My kids do a little bit now, and they're not quite as convinced that I'm as good a guy as I told them I was before. But no, no, it's a... It's a battle. It's a fight for the future. And so some of us are going to take a bit of a beating and we'll keep going.
Doesn't read the papers, thank God. My kids do a little bit now, and they're not quite as convinced that I'm as good a guy as I told them I was before. But no, no, it's a... It's a battle. It's a fight for the future. And so some of us are going to take a bit of a beating and we'll keep going.
Well, look, I think, you know, I got to say, the Senate's got to process, respect the process, all that stuff, right? So check the box. I did that with you. So I met with the guy for 90 minutes, you know, for, by the way, for about a decade, I've done work when Phyllis Schlafly, the late Phyllis Schlafly, from whom I worked, one of the things she cared a lot about was patents.
Well, look, I think, you know, I got to say, the Senate's got to process, respect the process, all that stuff, right? So check the box. I did that with you. So I met with the guy for 90 minutes, you know, for, by the way, for about a decade, I've done work when Phyllis Schlafly, the late Phyllis Schlafly, from whom I worked, one of the things she cared a lot about was patents.
Well, that's fair. I thought you were going to say something different. You know, the one thing I tell people all the time is one of the reasons you have to care to de-escalate the rhetoric is it is leading. You can see it's leading to it. I mean, people are spitting on me on the sidewalk, right? This is not normal behavior. Mr. May, she knew who you were.
Well, that's fair. I thought you were going to say something different. You know, the one thing I tell people all the time is one of the reasons you have to care to de-escalate the rhetoric is it is leading. You can see it's leading to it. I mean, people are spitting on me on the sidewalk, right? This is not normal behavior. Mr. May, she knew who you were.
Well, that's a—yes. I mean, I knew who you were because I follow this stuff, but like— But I think that the— It can lead to—when people start to lose power, you see the desperation, right? You see the—and to me, that's the one thing you start to notice. And so, yes, it could be really terrible on a Democrat administration.
Well, that's a—yes. I mean, I knew who you were because I follow this stuff, but like— But I think that the— It can lead to—when people start to lose power, you see the desperation, right? You see the—and to me, that's the one thing you start to notice. And so, yes, it could be really terrible on a Democrat administration.
Imagine, you know, what it's like for, you know, President Rahm Emanuel when he puts in, you know, Attorney General, I don't know, Adam Schiff and what the heck that's like. It feels like we've gone to the bottom and maybe—
Imagine, you know, what it's like for, you know, President Rahm Emanuel when he puts in, you know, Attorney General, I don't know, Adam Schiff and what the heck that's like. It feels like we've gone to the bottom and maybe—
you know, finish a thought that I had earlier that I didn't get to finish, which is, it feels like a lot of people that were good people before, you know, a hundred years ago, again, back to the a hundred years ago, good people just had good morals, cared about each other, fight, fight, fight, but be honorable on the same side. That doesn't seem as common right now, right?
you know, finish a thought that I had earlier that I didn't get to finish, which is, it feels like a lot of people that were good people before, you know, a hundred years ago, again, back to the a hundred years ago, good people just had good morals, cared about each other, fight, fight, fight, but be honorable on the same side. That doesn't seem as common right now, right?
That there's some people that really are not good people that are just disagreeing. They're really not good people. And that's dangerous, right? you can feel that sometimes. And I think that's a worry, but it's something that we have to live with and work through and pray about and try to build the community about to see.
That there's some people that really are not good people that are just disagreeing. They're really not good people. And that's dangerous, right? you can feel that sometimes. And I think that's a worry, but it's something that we have to live with and work through and pray about and try to build the community about to see.
Thank you.
Thank you.
and protecting individual patent holders and inventors. So for years, we've had patent events. One of the participants in the patent events is Tom Tillis all the time because he's good on that issue and we would work with him. So not a stranger in terms of policy stuff to me. So when I met with him, 90 minutes, he railed on J6. He said, how could you represent J6 people?
and protecting individual patent holders and inventors. So for years, we've had patent events. One of the participants in the patent events is Tom Tillis all the time because he's good on that issue and we would work with him. So not a stranger in terms of policy stuff to me. So when I met with him, 90 minutes, he railed on J6. He said, how could you represent J6 people?
How stupid do people have to be to go into the Capitol and blah, blah, blah? And I said, sir, you know, look, I've looked at this closely. It feels like you're not quite paying attention to what happened, right?
How stupid do people have to be to go into the Capitol and blah, blah, blah? And I said, sir, you know, look, I've looked at this closely. It feels like you're not quite paying attention to what happened, right?
And look, here's the thing. You know, Tucker, this is what I mean by this is the fight we're in, this fight for the future of our country. Millions of Americans fall victim to the hoaxes one after another. And if you fall victim to the J6 hoax that it was an insurrection armed and this close to the end, then you might act like Tom Tillis and you might rant and rave and say things like that.
And look, here's the thing. You know, Tucker, this is what I mean by this is the fight we're in, this fight for the future of our country. Millions of Americans fall victim to the hoaxes one after another. And if you fall victim to the J6 hoax that it was an insurrection armed and this close to the end, then you might act like Tom Tillis and you might rant and rave and say things like that.
And that's what he did. But if you're I think if you're not under the spell of the hoax, you say, oh, wait a second. Lots of people were waived into the Capitol. And maybe you could charge him with trespass, but you can't throw him in jail for three years, four years, three and a half years. Right. Because of and then the Supreme Court, bipartisan Supreme Court throws out the charge that was used.
And that's what he did. But if you're I think if you're not under the spell of the hoax, you say, oh, wait a second. Lots of people were waived into the Capitol. And maybe you could charge him with trespass, but you can't throw him in jail for three years, four years, three and a half years. Right. Because of and then the Supreme Court, bipartisan Supreme Court throws out the charge that was used.
It's called the 1512 charge. When I got in my office as U.S. attorney, I said first week, we're going to look at the 1512. Who charged it? And of course, it was charged by Merrick Garland and Lisa Monaco right across. It wasn't it wasn't the guy in my chair. He's he was an empty suit there to just, you know, carry water as they went.
It's called the 1512 charge. When I got in my office as U.S. attorney, I said first week, we're going to look at the 1512. Who charged it? And of course, it was charged by Merrick Garland and Lisa Monaco right across. It wasn't it wasn't the guy in my chair. He's he was an empty suit there to just, you know, carry water as they went.
Right up. Right up. Of course. I mean, look, 1512 is an Andrew Weissman creation, right? This was Andrew Weissman advocated for 1512 charge.
Right up. Right up. Of course. I mean, look, 1512 is an Andrew Weissman creation, right? This was Andrew Weissman advocated for 1512 charge.
In the Mueller investigation and the Mueller investigation. Andrew Weissman is one of these lawyers who is at NYU right now. He goes in and out of government and he's basically at the center. There's about six or seven of these people that are at the center of coordinating the weaponization of government against the people right now.
In the Mueller investigation and the Mueller investigation. Andrew Weissman is one of these lawyers who is at NYU right now. He goes in and out of government and he's basically at the center. There's about six or seven of these people that are at the center of coordinating the weaponization of government against the people right now.
And every time you turn around, you know, I love I'll give it to you. The guy that was the prosecutor in Kosovo before Jack Smith, you know, a special prosecutor. Forget his name right now. He left. So Jack Smith could come in. Where'd he go? One guess, NYU to Andrew Weissman's shop.
And every time you turn around, you know, I love I'll give it to you. The guy that was the prosecutor in Kosovo before Jack Smith, you know, a special prosecutor. Forget his name right now. He left. So Jack Smith could come in. Where'd he go? One guess, NYU to Andrew Weissman's shop.
So when you watch Andrew Weissman's at Mueller, he says in Mueller, we need 1512. We can charge Trump in the, watch this. We can use 1512. We're making it up, but we can get away with it if we build it out this way and just get everybody to go along. He fails at that, Mueller. You know, Barr says, and Jeff Jensen, no, Barr says, you can't do that, right? You can't do, we're not going to do that.
So when you watch Andrew Weissman's at Mueller, he says in Mueller, we need 1512. We can charge Trump in the, watch this. We can use 1512. We're making it up, but we can get away with it if we build it out this way and just get everybody to go along. He fails at that, Mueller. You know, Barr says, and Jeff Jensen, no, Barr says, you can't do that, right? You can't do, we're not going to do that.
Shuts it down. And then along comes Andrew Weissman, Lisa Monaco, all these same people. They say, charge the 1512. Tucker, the 1512 charge, right? Viewers may not track it well enough, but 1512 was an addition to the law about 20 years ago after Enron, because Arthur Anderson, the accounting firm, was destroying documents everywhere. Enron was the target of the investigation.
Shuts it down. And then along comes Andrew Weissman, Lisa Monaco, all these same people. They say, charge the 1512. Tucker, the 1512 charge, right? Viewers may not track it well enough, but 1512 was an addition to the law about 20 years ago after Enron, because Arthur Anderson, the accounting firm, was destroying documents everywhere. Enron was the target of the investigation.
Arthur Anderson was destroying documents, wasn't the target. And there was no law to say if you knew there was an investigation, you shouldn't destroy documents. So they passed this law. OK, 1512. It said, if you know there's an official proceeding, you're not allowed to destroy documents.
Arthur Anderson was destroying documents, wasn't the target. And there was no law to say if you knew there was an investigation, you shouldn't destroy documents. So they passed this law. OK, 1512. It said, if you know there's an official proceeding, you're not allowed to destroy documents.
Yeah. OK, that's it. All these years later, Weissman is saying we'll use obstruction of official proceeding. We'll expand official proceeding. We'll call it. Oh, yeah, we'll call it the Electoral College count and we'll go after everybody. But first, before we go for Trump, let's drag a couple of hundred people into jail. We'll make them plead guilty. We'll try them with a bad jury.
Yeah. OK, that's it. All these years later, Weissman is saying we'll use obstruction of official proceeding. We'll expand official proceeding. We'll call it. Oh, yeah, we'll call it the Electoral College count and we'll go after everybody. But first, before we go for Trump, let's drag a couple of hundred people into jail. We'll make them plead guilty. We'll try them with a bad jury.
We'll make the judges roll along and we'll make sure we put them in one after another. We'll say, see, 15, 12. It's a good charge. Judges went for it. Everybody went for it. And then we'll get Trump. And one judge said no. Then it went up to the Supreme Court and the bipartisan Supreme Court said, hell no, and threw it all out.
We'll make the judges roll along and we'll make sure we put them in one after another. We'll say, see, 15, 12. It's a good charge. Judges went for it. Everybody went for it. And then we'll get Trump. And one judge said no. Then it went up to the Supreme Court and the bipartisan Supreme Court said, hell no, and threw it all out.
So we watched American citizens rotting in jail for years for walking through the Capitol and 1512. And Tillis is okay with that. Well, Tillis is saying, oh, my gosh. He said anyone who's dumb enough to go into the Capitol should be charged with everything under the sun. I said, well, if a cop opens the door and you walk in and you walk out, you're going to charge him?
So we watched American citizens rotting in jail for years for walking through the Capitol and 1512. And Tillis is okay with that. Well, Tillis is saying, oh, my gosh. He said anyone who's dumb enough to go into the Capitol should be charged with everything under the sun. I said, well, if a cop opens the door and you walk in and you walk out, you're going to charge him?
And anyway, so— What did he say when you asked that?
And anyway, so— What did he say when you asked that?
It was an insight into the mind of people that are trapped in that understanding. The other thing they all said to me is, oh, you must like people that hit cops because you defended people that hit cops. Who said that? Everybody. The Washington Post, all these people. Because lawyers are supposed to defend. We defend the sort of worst of the worst. Always. That's the system.
It was an insight into the mind of people that are trapped in that understanding. The other thing they all said to me is, oh, you must like people that hit cops because you defended people that hit cops. Who said that? Everybody. The Washington Post, all these people. Because lawyers are supposed to defend. We defend the sort of worst of the worst. Always. That's the system.
For people who've been charged with crimes. Exactly. Isn't that the way it works? Isn't that the way it works? So I say, look. Nobody's for hitting cops, right? Nobody's for hitting cops. My office, my predecessor, did not charge cops—did not charge assaults on police officers because they're only misdemeanors in the stupid D.C. laws.
For people who've been charged with crimes. Exactly. Isn't that the way it works? Isn't that the way it works? So I say, look. Nobody's for hitting cops, right? Nobody's for hitting cops. My office, my predecessor, did not charge cops—did not charge assaults on police officers because they're only misdemeanors in the stupid D.C. laws.
And I said, new law, new rule, touch a cop getting charged with assault, right? So— stipulate we're all against hitting cops. After that, what happened on January 6th, forget about even the day of it. Watch what happens. Liz Cheney and Bennie Thompson run a $50 million misinformation campaign to tell the world this is what was going on. And that's what Tom Tillis is believing, I guess.
And I said, new law, new rule, touch a cop getting charged with assault, right? So— stipulate we're all against hitting cops. After that, what happened on January 6th, forget about even the day of it. Watch what happens. Liz Cheney and Bennie Thompson run a $50 million misinformation campaign to tell the world this is what was going on. And that's what Tom Tillis is believing, I guess.
Yeah, right. And I look, I'm I'm past it now, except to say this. The weaponization of government against the people. is what we see over and over and over again. And when the leaders either acquiesce to it or fall for the hoax of it, we see it over and over and over again. Whether you pick a FISA court, we just watch this over and over. And you don't have time to say, was your heart in it?
Yeah, right. And I look, I'm I'm past it now, except to say this. The weaponization of government against the people. is what we see over and over and over again. And when the leaders either acquiesce to it or fall for the hoax of it, we see it over and over and over again. Whether you pick a FISA court, we just watch this over and over. And you don't have time to say, was your heart in it?
Are you lying? It's just, you're willing to buy into that worldview.
Are you lying? It's just, you're willing to buy into that worldview.
Yeah.
Yeah.
did any members of the senate i mean in my in my um probably not in the conversations i had but but that you do bring us to does anyone care well you bring us to a point where as i started this out is uh we're in a fight for about information right and we're told get over it and move on it's like the 2020 election yeah the people say to me they say i was a stop the steel organizer
did any members of the senate i mean in my in my um probably not in the conversations i had but but that you do bring us to does anyone care well you bring us to a point where as i started this out is uh we're in a fight for about information right and we're told get over it and move on it's like the 2020 election yeah the people say to me they say i was a stop the steel organizer
Well, I ran the election board in St. Louis, back in St. Louis. You know, I ran the election board. I know how elections work. The 2020 election, there were lots of things that were really off base. That's why I've always said it. I maintain it today. It doesn't mean that I've proven the election was stolen. No, but I know there's things that were off. Well, you weren't allowed to say that.
Well, I ran the election board in St. Louis, back in St. Louis. You know, I ran the election board. I know how elections work. The 2020 election, there were lots of things that were really off base. That's why I've always said it. I maintain it today. It doesn't mean that I've proven the election was stolen. No, but I know there's things that were off. Well, you weren't allowed to say that.
Remember, you're not even allowed to say that out loud and you go forward. And so they say, oh, you were stopped to steal. So I said, wait, isn't that the system we're supposed to have? And we keep seeing information online. government weaponized to stop information flow. And most of us move on, right? You move on to the next thing because the way the world is moving.
Remember, you're not even allowed to say that out loud and you go forward. And so they say, oh, you were stopped to steal. So I said, wait, isn't that the system we're supposed to have? And we keep seeing information online. government weaponized to stop information flow. And most of us move on, right? You move on to the next thing because the way the world is moving.
And one of the things this effort to do to focus on weaponization is to get the truth out. So to your point, we still don't know the answer to that. We do not know how many ages. How can we not know? I mean, I'm going to get it out or I'm going to die trying. Pipe bomber. As a prosecutor, I've got the pipe bomber case in my office. The FBI, Bongino said to the FBI, change all the agents.
And one of the things this effort to do to focus on weaponization is to get the truth out. So to your point, we still don't know the answer to that. We do not know how many ages. How can we not know? I mean, I'm going to get it out or I'm going to die trying. Pipe bomber. As a prosecutor, I've got the pipe bomber case in my office. The FBI, Bongino said to the FBI, change all the agents.
Everybody look at it again. It's been going on for about five weeks. It's like Keystone Cops, you know? They didn't interview some of the people that you would have said, that might be a suspect, that hadn't interviewed him. I mean, so the question becomes, what's happening here? Is it incompetence? It feels worse than incompetence, right? And so that information... It does, it does.
Everybody look at it again. It's been going on for about five weeks. It's like Keystone Cops, you know? They didn't interview some of the people that you would have said, that might be a suspect, that hadn't interviewed him. I mean, so the question becomes, what's happening here? Is it incompetence? It feels worse than incompetence, right? And so that information... It does, it does.
This woman came up to me screeching in a way, I mean, she can't know me. She didn't know me. I never met her. A screeching, screeching, screeching, swearing, and then spitting.
Well... I think it's worse than incompetence. But I think the only way forward is to not describe what I think of the motives, but to expose over and over again what's happened. If you expose what's happened and the truth gets out, then accountability is possible. If you don't expose what's happened, the accountability looks like targeting. Right. So you got to do this one to get to this one.
And the other side just does this. And then they count on the media to tell us it's OK. We have to do this and this. And that's my answer to some people that say, what's Dan doing, Bunge? You know, I talk to him every week or so. He's going hammer and tongs at this stuff right here. You can't arrest everybody the first month, but you've got to get this going. And it's a challenge.
But I'm glad people are holding us, you know, pushing everybody. It's good, but it's it's harder than it looks. Yeah. It really is.
I would say that, look— FBI specifically. Yeah, look, I worked for the Catholic Church, right? I worked for the Catholic Church. I'm pretty attuned to bureaucracies, right? And I've seen the scope of them and see the institutional inertia, like the momentum that they get. And I think my office was—my U.S.
attorney's office was about this big, Tucker, and it took me 120 days to get this much of my arms wrapped around this much because this is how big it was. You know, Cash's job is this big, and DOJ's is this big, and the President's is this big. So my answer is, the scope is bigger, and it is, therefore, much, much worse than people think.
Well, first, I'd like to point out, Tucker, because I've been accused of having a signature piece of clothing now, like in the old days, the bow tie. You know, the jacket that I wear, the sort of raincoat? Yeah. The New York Times called it my signature. I like it. It was very effective because the spit went on the raincoat. It was able to be cleaned off.
And I just think it's a—and by the way, one of the reasons I say information is so key, you can't—we can't win the Article III battle fast enough, right? We can fight it and we can eventually win lots of them. You can't win it fast enough to get the progress we need in terms of our... So you've got to be doing the information... For people watching, what's the Article 3 battle?
Yeah, the Article 3 means like the federal courts. We're in federal courts. The president says you can't let people come into the country and then the courts say...
nationwide injunction and you know you're not allowed to do that and you're you're constantly in court uh you know the u.s attorney's office for dc has all of the cases uh of when they when the government is sued you know president sues they all come into our office on the civil side and so you see all that stuff coming in you know in in the uh during the biden administration the conservatives were suing in texas it was friendlier judges now it's in dc so you're in the in the courts for
fighting to get the truth out, fighting to make these things, prosecutions and all, but they take a longer time than just getting the word out, right? Getting the information out. I just, I feel like it's a different moment in history. And that's how I was U.S. attorney. That's why you saw, people saw so much outfacing action because I wasn't just looking at courts.
I was looking at making an argument for the public so they could see the policies.
Columbo. I'm going Columbo, not, as my kids said, Inspector Gadget. I thought that was degrading, and I've indicted all three of the four of them now. All right, so... Look, I did the job. President Trump gave me this incredible privilege. Usually a U.S. attorney is nominated and then they get confirmed and then they come into office, right?
So it's usually like October and you finally get somebody in office. And that whole time you have the Sally Yates problem. Remember Sally Yates who was acting? You have some acting person that's either undermining you or is not totally into the job.
Well, you know, I worked for Phyllis Schlafly, right? And so when she wrote A Choice Not an Echo in 1964 and all the way through her career and then the last 10 years of her life when I worked with her, you come to know about the party, right? The Republican Party is probably more problematic in certain ways than the Democrat Party is obvious opponents, right? I agree with that.
So when Phyllis writes about 1964, what they did to, you know, Goldwater at that fight, or she writes in—she wrote about 1980 when they, you know, forced H.W. Bush on Reagan. I mean, she wrote about—but she also wrote about, by the way, about the Bilderbergs. She's the first one to use the word Bilderbergs, about the globalists when they were meeting.
But Phyllis would say, you know, and Todd, look, she backed Trump. She backed Trump early. And it basically— Well, it caused a rift in her family. One of her children was a cruise person, was against her. It caused a rift in her organization. And I remember asking her, I'm like, kind of seriously, is this worth it? And she said, of course it's worth it.
She said, you know, this is, and so that was on our side. That was on the sort of conservative side. So I'm not surprised by any of it. I was on the RNC when they did the autopsy. Remember? Very well. Romney loses and they spend nine or $10 million. And the same people got paid, go back and look who got paid $9 million for the autopsy on the Republican party.
And it said, speak in Spanish and don't talk about social issues. And we're just going to win everything. And they, and they made the mistake. They asked me, That microphone in my first meeting of the RNC, what do you think of that? And I said, what do you think of your report? And I said, it's not my report. I didn't go for that. That's crazy. Then we'll lose every election.
So the Republican Party has always been that way. It's just better than the other one. And the question is right now.
Okay, so I said to the president a while ago, if you want me to do this job, can I have it on day one? And he agreed, and he put me on day one. And so day one, we started swinging right away at all the things that we needed to swing at, right? First of all, day one, we had the pardons, 1,600 pardons. Day two or three, we had two pardons of cops. Day three or four, we had all the FACE Act pardons.
Well, it's the same thing Phyllis talked about, you know, back in the day. It was the establishment on the Eastern establishment, Eastern elites who were trying to control the party and did a lot. Look, right now it's Trump's party. It's just that some of the elites don't want to let go.
And so the question is, will they be able to hold on? And when you heard the president say he didn't say Ed wouldn't get confirmed, he said, that's not worth the fight right now. We got other things to do. And, you know, we knew we knew we'd get somebody good in that spot, to your point. And we knew there's a place for me to play a role. So, you know, I but the Republican Party is Trump's party.
It's just some people aren't ready for it.
Well, if I can, I'd say two things about it. One thing I think, as you've talked about before in lots of issues, President Trump represents a different view of America first is the way it's characterized. But this notion of of believing in ourselves, our citizens more than other things, including wars and globalists. And I think that I think that's a big pivot.
And people feel that as voters obviously did. But I will agree with you on this. The corruption is not one party. I mean, trust me, I'm the prosecutor.
It's not one party. You know that. But your viewers, it's not one party. When you see six point seven billion dollars transferred from the EPA to an organization set up a year before, set up by the same leftists, left leaning Democrats supporting folks that ran the housing tax credit boondoggle from the 90s. It's the same people. Six point seven billion.
When you see that transfer of money, it's this is this is not one party. Both parties are at the trough, and the question is, who gives us the best chance to try to take this country back and to fight for it? And it's clearly been Trump, but it's an everyday battle.
Well, it's funny. As soon as Tillis blocked it, then a guy like Senator Cornyn said, I'm for him. Did he really? We weren't sure until then. And then I think Collins said, I'm looking at it. I'm thinking about it. So I will say that— Like Collins says she was thinking?
Well, actually, I had an issue up here. You know, the U.S. attorney has so much interesting— role for the D.C. U.S. Attorney. I went to the DEA and I said, hey guys, what are we not doing? I would go to all these law enforcement and say, what is somebody not doing that I could do to help you guys? And the DEA guy said, we got all these marijuana farms in Maine.
And so they said, we can't get it under control and the U.S. Attorney up there won't do anything. And I said, I'll take it. I'll take the cases. I said, let's figure it out. So I wrote a letter to the Maine Governor and I said, what are you doing about these pod farms that the Chinese are running? We got to take a look at this because it's impacting what's going on. And so
Nothing's progressed yet.
She had some milquetoast response about something, but... Now we're looking into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, you know, when you look close, it's a disaster. And she and her administration is really not just looking the other way. They're allowing chaos...
It was a busy first week. But more importantly, as we were talking about, a fair— I started swinging. We started actually going for it. We said, okay, we're going to weaponization, you know, Chuck Schumer's a bully. And we went at this fight, uh, hammer and tongs and everybody noticed, everybody noticed Chuck Schumer noticed Dick Durbin starts firing off letters of complaint, all kinds of things.
No, no, they were doing a dance. Look, I mean, McConnell is... In fact, McConnell's staff was talking to me about pitching him on the... They weren't a no, a hard no at the beginning. But at that level, in that process, they're all playing a game, right? Until they have to... Look, Senator Hawley, I'm from Missouri. Senator Hawley said... if you get to the floor, you'll definitely get the votes.
But he said there are going to be all kinds of machinations beforehand. So to your point, I don't know if Senator Tillis was taking one for the team, if he was, you know, killing me to help other people or what, but he was the obvious one that decided.
that made them you know 9-11 you said I mean rather 9-11 January 6th I would say that a number of times it was clear that I was not going to be sort of controllable that I was going to do exactly what I thought and what the president let me loose to do. And I think that that's for the sort of ruling class, that's the wildest of wild cards.
Some people would say, what's Dan doing, Bungie? You know, he's going hammer and tongs at this stuff right here. The scope is bigger and it is therefore much, much worse than people think.
Right. So, you know, yeah, but I don't really know. I mean, I, you know, I would have bet that I would have gotten through because President Trump wanted me. So, you know, it's hard to know. I thought some of the other guys that got confirmed had a lot more checkered past, but I don't know.
Yes. I mean, it's, I hate to say I got a promotion. I don't want to be too Pollyannish, but I kind of got a promotion. I mean, U.S. Attorney's Office, to be clear, it's the greatest prosecutor's office in the world, really. It's got all of the city level crime. It's like a DA. It's a great DA office. And then a huge U.S.
Attorney's Office with cases all over the world and all sorts of complicated, interesting stuff and a huge docket. I can get to all USAID, all the USAID falls within us. So when you see the fraud that's going on in Europe and this is all, Stuff that the U.S. attorney and trust me, the U.S. attorney is already looking at it. And you can look at this stuff and say because of the jurisdiction.
So but it's a big office with a lot of bureaucracy. And so what I basically my new job is focused on weaponization. The docket is the whole world and the country to say, where have they done wrong and how do we go and get to the bottom of it? And so, look, I'm the president. It's a key moment. It's a key moment in the present. Trust me to do this.
And so and Pam Bondi has been great about directing us on this. So I'm excited to go over there and and fight.
And that's how you're supposed to do the job. Uh,
That's right. Well, I want to brag for a minute. We shifted a lot of our resources to fight crime. You know this, but 720,000 people live in D.C. Yeah. Six hundred and fifty thousand live in poverty and a tough set. And frankly, they've been getting they've been getting stuck by both parties forever.
So you walk down the street in Anacostia and you're like, I want to do an interview in Anacostia. And we pulled up and there's an ambulance and all. And I said, what is that? And I said, somebody was shot there laying there. And we went in to do the interview. It was like, oh, yeah, so he's not going to die. He's going to be fine.
So what we did was we turned all of our resources on that side to getting rid of the guys with guns, the bad guys with guns, and we dragged them to federal court. Now, that sounds like it's not that revolutionary, but you start to get—in March, we got 18, and in April, 24— arrested with guns and off the streets.
For 700,000 people, what they mostly need to know is somebody's trying to help them make it better, right? And trying to make life better. And crime is down 25% and the basics are going the right direction.
But no, that woman screeching at me and spitting on me, that's a fruit of the environment that says, make anyone who's doing something important into someone toxic and we'll get people to be agitated. But it works. It works. Oh, it works completely. The only problem is our side, meaning I think God-fearing Americans need to understand. I just told you, we've got to get the truth out.
You can't sit back and say, we're right. That doesn't matter. No, I know. Your neighbor is still being inundated by the Washington Post, right? They're still being told by the Washington Post that somehow it's problematic that I was on RT. I did interviews on RT and that, oh, this is the end of the world. Well, I mean, Swalwell's kind of- You went on RT? Yeah, I went on RT. I did interviews on RT.
It's called democracy. And he actually put some, you know, he put he signed orders. He signed what he gave us the direction he wanted us to do. Executive orders said, stop the weaponization. Go look at this. And then, by the way, Attorney General Bondi got in. She gave us an even more specific list. Right. So but more importantly, Tucker, if it was.
I was just going to say, no, I did not. I wanted to make clear that.
I've only been told what to say on one network, and that was the communist CNN. They told me I had to say that. But my point is, to your point, we can't rely on the truth. We are right. We have to, though, and this is where I think there's responsibility in government. We have to expose the truth. We have to expose it. And if they're not shamed, at least Andrew Weissman can hear his name.
Andrew Weissman is truly one of the more despicable figures in modern American life. Mary McCord, Georgetown University. I got in a fight with Georgetown. You know, Georgetown University is mad at me.
I wrote Georgetown Law and I said to the dean, we're not going to hire your people either for jobs or internships because you're doing DEI after the president said stop.
He wrote back and lectured me on Jesuit ideals and freedom. Now, he went to Yale and Harvard. I don't think those are religious, but I went to Holy Cross, slightly Jesuit the whole time, St. Louis U, Jesuit, on and on and on. And he lectured me. But here's what happened quickly.
No, no, of course not. He's not even Catholic. Well, maybe he's Catholic. I don't know. But he's lecturing me. And bar complaints are coming in from people saying Georgetown is great. All I'm saying is this, Tucker.
Well, but more importantly, you talk about weaponizing government. You got this Rosa Brooks, Mary McCord. These are the people coming out of Obama land and they're taking the transition integrity project. Remember this, the transition integrity project. And they're saying, how would we do an American color revolution? Right. How would we do that? And they're laying it out.
Remember game planning, they were doing this tabletop and they're looking at and participating are all kinds of Americans with security clearances and, you
know military background and terrifying and we're supposed to sit here and say oh isn't this great you guys do all of that and we say nothing and meanwhile you get hundreds of millions of dollars in american tax dollars to do it to us so i asked them a question they got upset but the point here is and rosa i know rosa brooks well she did that out of georgetown of course that's what i'm saying is an institute still she's still doing georgetown is um
A hundred years ago, maybe you could just be genteel and prosecute the cases as they came along. Right. You could sit around and say sooner or later it'll all work out. It's not a hundred years ago. And the fight right now is a fight over everything from information to accountability to healing. Right. So that's the fight. and a U.S.
It's way more than that. People just have no idea. Well, and my point to you is. I agree. And we have to name it. Yes. It's not enough to us to know. We have to say Mary McCord and Rosa Brooks at Georgetown Law. Oh, I know what they're doing is destructive to the country and people should know it. They're planning insurrection, actually.
But fake would be bad enough. It's destructive.
It's destructive. And again, if you think it's a debate, if it's a debating moment, then you're in one spot. If you think it's a battle for the future of the country and the world, then you're in a different moment. And that's how I look at what we're seeing going on. And that's why I think some people probably realized he knows how this goes a little more. And so they didn't want me in that spot.
But I got another spot, so it'll work out.
No, I, you know, my, my wife, who's like you, smarter than me. And so she said the other day, why can't we go back to term limits? You know, I mean, it's this instinct of, there's something, there's something about when they're in, in for a while, they seem to have figured out for, they think they figured out what's better for everyone. I don't really know.
Look, I, one of the problems I hate is I know you do is tell, just tell me the truth to my face. If this is what you're doing. Well, that's what I respect about Tillis. At least he lectured you in private. That's right. He did. And he unloaded on me in private.
Yeah. So, but I don't know what gets the, well, I do know the system is so powerful and so alluring and seductive that after a while, you know, I think it's inevitable that even good people are tempted to a worldview that's not as good, even if they're not tempted to pure straight on corruption. So it is a problem.
That's right. That's it. It's not power, right? It's money. It's all money.
Well, this is really important, and I hope I was actually speaking.
attorney is on the front lines in Washington, D.C., when they're going after Elon Musk or Judge Boasberg. They went after both, and I gave both of them a letter that said, hey, I got your back. If you even threaten these people in a way that goes over the line, we're going to indict you.
They don't seem to. I agree with you.
All right. So there's a couple of things. One is and I was just telling Judge Jeanine Pirro. She's really she's really kind of.
Yeah, she's kind of into it. She's kind of she's really into it. And she's asking me all these questions. And I'm thinking she was.
Yeah, she's going to be well, she's going to come in and serve like I did. She's going to serve right away. So she's not waiting. And and that's very cool. But I'm a fan of that because why have this, you know, inter. So DC is awesome. I mean, it's awesome places, you know, history on every corner, you know, the background of everybody.
I did these ride alongs with detectives and I'd still go every corner of the place and you see all these different things and and and the people people are people right of course they want what they want more for their kids and more for themselves and I lived I'm from St. Louis and in St. Louis always lived in the city itself and it feels the same way um A couple of things.
One is the violent crime, right? The guns are because Virginia's hard on guns and Maryland and D.C. are soft. Then you can get away with having guns.
Misuse of guns. Right. So all sorts of people with all sorts of guns.
Well, I mean, that's the whole thing, right? That's the game. You can barely get your concealed carry in D.C. It takes months and months and months. I got one. I know. It takes forever, though. I brought somebody in the other day. I said, tell me how the concealed carry process is going. They said it takes six months to get an appointment. To even get your stuff.
I don't know what to say to that.
Let me go back to what they need. They need to stay focused on the violence, right? So the violence is guns. And, you know, look, cash has given us support to try to do some cold case stuff. The FBI has the ability to do more DNA testing to try to get, you know, a lot of cold case stuff is DNA. And if you can go back and look at stuff, rapes especially, and you can do it.
So there's lots you can do.
Yeah, the mob threatened Elon and the Doge guys. The mob threatened my prosecutors. The mob threatened Boasberg. And I said, any of these things, we're going to put a stop to it. But what happens is, I've not been able to try this out. I'll try to see if you like it. The Schumer smear. Schumer was so mad that I got into office and I said, hold on a second.
Well, I got briefed on it. It's now a while ago time-wise, but there's not a statute of limitations on it. But it's cold. To your point, it's a cold case.
Well, there's evidence that there was a killing in such a way that, yeah, I mean, that you could say you can't know sort of why the killing happened. Right.
Yeah.
Right. Why? I don't know the answer. It's a good question.
How many days do I have left on the job? I'll go find out. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Things I should have asked. But the one I want to tell you about, this is important because you're going to see it nationwide this summer, and that's the problem of juveniles. In all these cities where you have Democrats and liberals in charge, they're soft on juveniles.
So the juveniles get away with crimes and tougher and tougher, harder and harder crimes.
Carjackings, you know, and worse. And so if that's the system, it's happened over and over now. And of course, the community that they are in has a lot of, you know, the schools are bad. There's not a lot of role models, right? Life is not in a good spot. And you churn this. You've got this situation. I said to someone, there was an incident down at the Navy Pier.
A Navy yard where someone was a bunch of kids, juveniles come in these gangs and they and they steal wallets and they get around people. And I said to a friend of mine, he said, oh, yeah, the Navy peers like that. And I said, what are you talking about? It's Navy yard. He said the same thing happens in Chicago. In other words, every urban city has this problem of juveniles.
And the reason why is because we continue to send them back and to keep them in this system that's just so broken.
No, no, of course. That's right. Exactly. No, it's a disaster.
Right. It's a disaster. But I think one of the things that that juvenile question is one that D.C. has to face because it's really and the older kids, if it were if they were girls, they'd be calling it trafficking because the older boys are trafficking the younger boys because they know they won't get into trouble the same way because they're underage.
So that part of it is a disaster, and that falls right on the D.C. City Council and the mayor and the current administration there that hasn't taken it seriously because you just need to lock them up. You need to get them out of D.C., put them in some place. You could pay to put them in another reform school or whatever to get them out of town. Instead, they let them loose. They don't detain them.
If they wanted to.
Right. That's right.
Look, I mean, you're asking too many questions about the Republican Party. I mean, you're right. And the president, I think, is frustrated by the dynamic. I think he wishes that there was more action in terms of taking it over. But that's not been a priority.
You're not allowed to say the whirlwind is coming for Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. And then a month later, Kavanaugh's got a guy with zip ties and a gun. Remember this? Very well. And so I said, hold on. The statute of limitations is coming, five years. I'm going to investigate this, and I'm going to ask Chuck Schumer, what did you mean?
Well, I mean, part of me wants to engage in some philosophical argument with you about what they think, but I mostly think it's what you said earlier. So this is a trend that you noticed. Yeah, they don't really care about these people. I mean, I'm the Republican. I'm the conservative. I'm supposed to not care. They say, you don't care about these people.
When I get in this job, I look at it and say – Poor people, mostly black and brown, are living through hell because of the policies that you have, which is to let bad guys go with guns. You and I both would agree. If you do something with a gun badly, then you should be incarcerated.
No problem.
I wish I could say it was a philosophical thing. It's that they really don't care about these people. They don't mind letting the people suffer and letting their communities get destroyed. And the rest of it is just window dressing. There's no other trying to read people's minds. It doesn't work.
You cannot mean that you're allowed to stand and threaten justices, right? And so I put that out. He refused to answer. He said it's offensive, all that stuff. And then he went on a jihad inside the Senate. He got opposition research, and he went – member to member and said, this guy, Martin, you can't vote for him. This guy, Martin, you can't. And so it's the Schumer smear.
In D.C.? Well, we started on guns.
And then we're going to switch, we're going to switch, keeps moving towards other violent crime. Now, the key pivot in this, again, it's down in the weeds a little bit, is to take these gun crimes and then down to rape and assault and go down even to property crimes because you You can't have CVS have everything behind lock and key. Right.
But the two things that we're doing is dragging these cases to federal court because the local court is so bad. The juries are bad. The judges are bad. The system is bad. So you get them to federal court. You got a better chance to have real penalties and a bit more stability.
But the problem really is going to be whether you can have the will of the judges to hold these people to the laws and to put them away. But you move along that continuum every single day in terms of addressing crime. The last thing I'd say is that a lot of talk about money. The mayor wants to build a stadium and all these things. They need more cops. And cops cost money.
He railed on J6. He said, how could you represent J6 people? How stupid do people have to be to go into the Capitol and blah, blah, blah?
But cops also require that you be on their side. Remember when we were kids, being an FBI agent was a big deal. Being a cop was a big deal. Oh, for sure. And now... young people don't feel drawn to those jobs, right? So it is hard to get cops. MPD is down probably, I think their ideal is 3,800 cops. They're at about 3,300. You can say you're going to get all these crimes.
You still got to go get cops and you got to find a way to get people into the system that can be on the streets and doing it. So if you give me my wishlist for DC to make it better in the next two or three years, it's continue to actually take real crimes and put them in federal court and then bolster the number of cops. And you can bolster the number of cops as a U.S.
attorney just by having their back, right? There's something called the Lewis list, which is what happens if you go to court and you're a cop and somebody claims you lied. They can put you on what's called a Lewis list, which is a requirement that the prosecutors tell a defendant that this guy testifying has had a problem in the past of credibility.
But it's abused by the judges and the public defenders to hurt the cops. Well, I said, we're going to stick up for the cops and we're going to try to change that. So you got to stick up for the cops in lots of concrete ways that make the system work. But you've mostly just got to get after the crime systematically. Not hard. You know, Rudy and these famous prosecutors, they did one thing well.
They consistently prosecuted crime. They didn't come up with social plans. They didn't come just get a crime, put him in jail, get a crime, put him in jail. Metro just changed their rules in the district, both the buses and the metro, the trains, that you can get banned from the trains. Because once you get banned from the trains or banned from metro, I can then arrest you for a different charge.
It could be a felony for coming back in on a ban before that. You could go every day, could do three felonies, three misdemeanors a day. You could expose yourself in the morning, jump a fair thing in the afternoon and and, you know, whatever. And so Metro got serious and they were changing the dynamic. That's just plain getting the crimes down and focused on it. And but you got to want to do it.
You got to want to do it every day.
Then they call me names in the Washington Post. You know, the Washington Post bid something they've never done before, Tucker. Underneath the line, Spencer Hsu, he put a thing that said, if you have any tips on Martin, send them to us. They've never done this before. It's like, we want to get Martin, send us the tips. I sent a letter to Bezos.
Well, that's the word. The same thing.
Well, the big one that I was interested in is the number of times you can take DNA that was left behind. Those are a lot of sexual assault, rape and sexual assault. So those are the most obvious ones. There's some DNA cases on guns. If a weapon on a crime has some DNA on it, as the technology's gotten more sophisticated.
But you can instantly go and using the databases now and technology, get a check on DNA from a lot of... Why has no one done that? Well, they are. It's just it's a process. It takes a lot of it takes a lot of time. I mean, one of the things you're doing is not everybody's in the database. So you're trying to track back through. But we are doing it.
A lot of people are in the database, but not not everybody. I mean, and so one of the well, and so the FBI has been good about I don't know why they were doing it, weren't doing it before. But the FBI has been great about letting us do it. And so we're you know, we're tracking that down.
Well, again, you know, Tucker, and look, I think President Trump is like this, how he approaches everything. And, I mean, that's how I wanted to serve, and I do. We did exactly what you're saying. We said to everybody on the Hill— come to a briefing on safety. We want to keep you safe because the staffers care, right? The staffers are getting assaulted and all.
And people came to that and people want to hear how we're going to do that, how we can prosecute, because law enforcement, again, is partly prosecuting, but it's a lot of showing up and showing force so people know you're safer. And yeah, I mean, look, I think they care. The question is whether it leads to policy, you know, and...
Again, my job as prosecutor in that office is to get after the crimes as I've got them. And if they're not going to adjust their policies, I can't worry about that on the days, you know, day to day of getting after crime. But I'll tell you what, when I go to, you know, Anacostia or I go to these neighborhoods, they care and they know the U.S. attorney is paying attention to that.
And that's probably more important than the folks up on the Hill.
Well, you know, one of the aspects of, you know, weaponization is what I've been talking about with the new role. I've been on this weaponization working group.
I said, hey, I'm not sure this is how the newspaper is supposed to run. He hasn't responded yet. But my point is, President Trump said fight for the future of the country. And that fight can't be trapped in the article three gentility of a hundred years ago. It's the fight we got right now. And that's what we're doing. So I think they hated me. And this woman came up to me screeching in a way.
Yeah, weaponization of the legal system, but really the weaponization of the law, the use of the law to hide and operate. So Wikipedia has this incredible, So 501c3, right, gets a tax benefit from We The People. It's a public benefit corporation.
You know, in the 1950s, they looked at this closely because the Rockefeller Foundation, the Carnegie Foundation had been using their foundations and abusing it. And that's when the law first changed to have 501c3 become a tax code. It was part of the— shift, right? So the Cox report or the Reese committee or whatever it was.
But so we have this problem where these Wikipedia has all this money that they use because they're a 501c3, a nonprofit that's supposed to be for the public benefit.
I don't even know. I don't know the numbers. They pay no taxes, right? I'm not sure if they pay zero, but they probably say they pay payroll and other things. They have an answer to that, but they would be tax exempt under the code. But more importantly, they're obviously biased. They're obviously – and they're anti-Semitic is the big one, but they're obviously biased in all sorts of other ways.
In fact, as soon as I started taking them on, my Wikipedia page went even worse to hell in terms of people coming on and editing it, supposedly citizen editors. So there's bias – again, information war, right? There's bias here that is against – We the people, in my opinion, but certainly it's bias that's hidden from us because they're hiding behind the law.
In other words, they're using the law in a way that is weaponized against certain groups and individuals. And so that's what we basically said to Wikipedia is, hey, let's look closely at what you're doing and how it's operating and see who's benefiting or not benefiting and paying a price. And by the way, as soon as this happens, they get panicked because they know. We know.
There's another reason. I wrote to a number of the medical journals and I said, you guys are all 501c3. You get big benefits from tax exempt status. How are you balancing, you know, the partisan nature of the work you're doing?
How are you abiding by the laws that say that you're not supposed to be picking sides or paid for by one donor or the other and that they lose their mind because no one's supposed to ask? You know, you're not supposed to ask. It's like USAID. We weren't supposed to ask until this last six months. Why are we spending $400 million in wherever? Right. Why is this? We're not allowed to ask.
So that's a part of this weaponization thing that I think is underrated. And with Wikipedia got a huge reaction.
That's right.
I know, but we're back right again. We started—we're back to the information war, right? It's a war over information. And if nobody—you tell me who— Well, let me say it this way. A prosecutor saying that about Wikipedia is vastly different than Tucker Carlson saying it.
And that's the point of the job.
Well, right, exactly. And that's why Donald Trump, in my estimation, said to guys like me, go and do this because the role is not just to find the right guy to prosecute. We got to do that too if it rises to that. It's to make clear how off...
I mean, she can't know me. She didn't know me. I never met her as screeching, screeching, screeching, swearing, and then spitting, you know, I don't know. I just, uh, who was she? What happened to her? Well, they've identified her and I guess they've they've I don't know if they've picked her up yet, but they know exactly who it is and all that.
Not yet, but that just started. And that sort of opening salvo was about three weeks ago. So Judge Jeanine will have that one on her plate. But, you know, where I'm going, the job I'm going to, I don't have to leave any of that stuff behind. So I can tell you, I thought you were going to go a different direction.
And I'll say on the weaponization working group, as it's described by Attorney General Bondi and the president's direction. The intelligence community is one of the groups that was weaponized against the people, obviously. It's obvious. The question is, how are we going to get to the bottom of it, right?
How are we going to get to the bottom of some of the weaponization of the government, intelligence community, against the citizens? And that's where I'm going now.
Well, they can tell me. I'm now in the system. Well, we'll see if I can get it. But again, the point of getting— See if you can get what? Well, the point of getting into these positions as a prosecutor is I'm now getting the clearances to be able to get to the level where you can look at.
So I know that still try not to tell you, but that's the point of this fight is you cannot win the information battle based on what they let you see. It's what you have to find, even in our government.
At all. Right, exactly. Back to weaponization. The 51 guys that signed the letter on the Hunter Biden laptop, you'd have to be a fool to think that's an isolated incident. In other words, if they're willing to misuse and mischaracterize a letter based on their status and the advantage that they have as insiders, that's not the only time they did it. No, exactly.
And so the question is, how endemic is the weaponization? Right. And we both know the answer. This is back to your point. It's much, much worse than we think. The question is, how do we continually go about getting to the bottom of it? I'll probably get myself in trouble. You intro. Who knows? One of the ways I ran elections.
One of the places I think that is really problematic that nobody has looked at is the certification of systems. Right. Certification of election systems. Right. For the record, not saying there's any fraud. But how do you certify?
Well, I know, but the election. Look at what's at stake. Exactly. Well, no, no, but even better. Look at how much money it is. That's what I'm saying. Right. Well, okay. But even just the Election Assistance Commission is the entity that certifies machines. Okay.
And so, as you might imagine, I'm not involved in the case because, you know, I'm the victim in this case. So that's got to be processed. But I think that, you know, marshals and FBI were right on it and they they've got to figure it out.
It has no real teeth, but it controls who's certified or not, which means it controls who has the good housekeeping stamp of approval worth hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. What are the chances that that has been done? Everything else we've seen in government is broken, corrupt, messy, incompetent or something. Right.
What are the chances that's the one place where it's totally competent and totally without any flaws? I'm just saying, let's go look. Right. And that's what we've got to do to get to the bottom of this.
I love when you do this Tucker move. It's weird. It's weird only if you impute good intentions to these people. It is weird then. No, you're right. It's totally predictable. I mean, and all around the world, by the way, they're watching this happening. Poland right now, they're in the midst of, they're trying to take Poland out. Obama is in Poland. There's an election in a week. Of course.
Obama's in Poland. I had a whistleblower.
I had a whistleblower come into my office, and they were telling me the story that every couple of months, Samantha Powers would arrive with USAID money to this country. I won't say which one. And I said, you guys know who Samantha Powers is? Of course we do. She was arriving with the money, and they knew it was sort of the beginnings of a color revolution. It's not lost on the world, right?
It's not at all lost. Again, the question is... Are we going to get all of it out? Are we going to name it and then hold some people accountable? People say, are you going to walk people out in cuffs? Right now, I'd be happy to have just people know their names, right? I'd like the cuffs later if they commit a crime. But right now, people don't even know their names.
And the question is whether we can even get through the information storm that we're in to get that out.
Well, that's not on my docket.
But it's like... I know.
Well, and back to say it again, that's the big one you can see. How many are you not seeing?
That's exactly right. That's right. That's what I'm saying. This is still David versus Goliath.
Yeah, it's not a crossfire hurricane, which, you know... No, it's not 9-11.
Well, I think that the role I played is epitomized by that, right? Public and willing to fight for the right things. And Schumer certainly took it to heart and made a big deal out of it. And then they just made me into somebody who's... The Washington Post had me on the front page of A1 or B1 every day for three or four weeks. Wild. A U.S. attorney. Dick Durbin sent me 561 questions.
COVID, right. I was just going to say, right.
Well, most of the ones I work with. I mostly work with DAG's office. You know, that's Blanche and Emil Bove and some of those guys. Those guys, when they turned the lights on on the inauguration day, there was only a handful of us there. And those folks are in the mindset we're talking about.
Oh, no, no. They're mostly scared. I mean, they're mostly scared and nervous. And If they're left-leaning or establishment and don't want a part of it, that's one thing. But most of them are just, you know, they've seen this go on too long, right? Our side doesn't win ever. So you're not going to have people betting with the side that never wins, right?
They're not like, oh, my career will be better if I go with those guys. This time they're like, I did that for a minute back in, you know, 1985 and it didn't work out well, right? So that's the problem with that.
Oh, I mean, the only thing that makes me think it wasn't worse than you can even imagine is he has a bit of a Biden, Joe Biden kind of mentality. There was everything going around him and he wasn't checked in. It seems like to me, you know, I'm not saying he was mentally off. I'm saying he was he was a caretaker and Lisa Monaco and others were running everything.
So when you know, he was more maybe maybe I'm being too generous. He may have been more clueless than that.
than uh willful i'm not surprised yeah but um like like muller was that way too i think oh 100 guaranteed yeah and when history is written you know and i intend to write a whole bunch of it tucker so uh when it's written you know you watch this it'll accelerate under obama right it used to be politicized i think And now it's weaponized. That's the pivot that went on. Right.
It used to be politicized. Somebody's advantage or not. Bill Clinton, I think maybe I'm being too generous. He was sort of politicizing things. It got weaponized where they're destroying people, putting people in jail, trying to kill them. Remember Obama joking about I'm good at killing people. Right. There was a there was a sense of sort of of of real disrespect for humanity that kicked in.
And it kicked in and drove through that. That's what Biden, the Biden term is something we barely escaped, in my opinion, in terms of that idea and that destruction of citizens.
Well, I think she's at a big law firm. I wrote to her. I wrote to her letter and said, what's going on? We want to check on things. Yeah, she's at a big law firm. She's cycling out. It's all the same. Andrew Weissman, Lisa Monaco, they all go. Lisa Monaco went to NYU recently, gave a speech, probably got paid for it. Remember the Vindmans? Vindman got a job, the one in Congress.
He got a job at Georgetown for 100 grand. He didn't teach, but he was some sort of fellow or something. Again, back to Georgetown. It's just a cycle there where they're all very well paid and they talk to each other and then they get ready for the next... You know, I've heard Norm Eisen or whoever tells him this is the next way we're going.
And so, you know, I think the good news is we do have on our side the truth and we just got to keep fighting for it.
Well, Attorney General Bondi, when we started the group, she was, she gave us some real straight marching on. Jack Smith, what he did, which is unbelievable. Unbelievable. Anyway, the Catholics that were targeted, remember the Richmond memo? How did that happen? J6 is another one. One of her charges on the working group was whistleblowers, the whistleblowers that were targeted.
District court judges don't get that many. You know, no U.S. attorney's ever gotten that many question after question accusing me of this and that and the other thing. So they obviously knew they didn't like something about what I was doing. And the public picks up on it. Right.
You talk about weaponization, Tucker. Remember the guy that's in jail up in, I think, West Virginia? Yeah. He supposedly Lone Ranger. He stole all the tax returns and he leaked Trump's. Remember, he leaked Trump's, but nobody paid attention. He also leaked four or five or 600 or maybe a little more of the wealthiest people in America, mostly conservatives. You know, it's funny how that happened.
And then a whole bunch of small businesses, mostly conservative. And I got a briefing on that. And I said, this guy acted alone. He didn't tell anyone. And they're like, oh, yeah, he's like Snowden. I'm like, are you joking? Are you really telling me he's like somehow he's like the Snowden of IRS tax? You know, because this was weaponized.
Right now, it's Trump's party. It's just that some of the elites don't want to let go.
Remember, it was it was ProPublica that first he went to New York Times. Then he went to ProPublica, which was going hammer and tongs one after another against all these people. Again, weaponizing American law against citizens. So it's that's a bit of a digression. But to say the whistleblowers in the IRS and other places that came forward have been targeted under the Biden administration.
So that's another thing that Bondi says do school boards all across the country when they targeted school board parents. That's another focus for us to look at. So. But we'll also be looking at, as I said, the intelligence community and broader, right? We've got Crossfire Hurricane is still a big deal, obviously getting to the bottom of that. They end up overlapping a lot, as you know.
But there's a lot to do, a lot to do.
That's another one where I am right now.
Well, no, I'm happy to help in any way I can. I haven't been in on that. I've not been on that matter now.
I don't think there's a way for the public to petition, but I think as you ask about it, people will respond. I guess I don't—I never saw that if there was a— No, it was never—they never did the investigation.
Well, that's I think that's fair.
Oh, that's the first I've heard of it. I don't know. Again, I know that when I got into office, I wanted to talk about the pipe bomb. and find out more about the pipe. I also want somebody to, I'm going to get to the bottom of some of the January 6th, remember the gallows, the fake gallows that were built? They're built by five guys who, you can see them on video all over the place.
Iconic image used to destroy America around the world, that somehow this was a gallows with a noose, total fraud, total fraud. What happened to those guys? I don't know, we never found them. We never found them.
Can't find those guys.
Mm hmm.
And I'm with Darren. I mean, before I was in office, I kept saying, how can this possibly be? If you go to any other part of the world and you say the two major political parties had bombs put by their front door, it'd be the story forever. Right. Sounds like, you know, just before World War Two started, there were bombs placed somewhere. Right. I mean, in front of the parties.
So I never understood either. And the bombs were, you know, they were sort of rudimentary, but they clearly were somebody knew what they were doing for the look. I mean, again, it's information. It was an information. Whatever it is, it became a piece of information or a play over information that we haven't gotten to the bottom of.
Yeah. Yeah. We'll get there.
Something like that, yeah.
Well, not just the numbers, everything about characteristics of all of the election, and then... There was the admissions that the election was fortified. It was intentionally planned to do that in such a way to get results that looked off. Now, does that mean they cheated?
We don't have that smoking gun, but we certainly have over and over and over again aspects of things that didn't look right, and we've never had the answers on it. So, yes, we will get to the bottom of it again. This is the point about information. You cannot move ahead if you don't actually know what happened, and clearly...
Yeah, no, no, that's not quite true. No, look, I would have won on the floor, but the Judiciary Committee, Tillis, Tom Tillis decided to block it in the Judiciary Committee.
Clearly, the mainstream media and the elites told us you have to shut up. You're not allowed to talk about that. It's insane.
We all remember it well. And then January 6th was used, in my opinion, to try to shut off the conversation even more. Oh, I know. But I do think we'll get to the bottom of it.
Yes. Yes. Yes. I mean, I wish it was faster. I feel the same frustration, right? Getting people arrested faster and prosecuted faster. You know, I wish it was fast. We're 120 days in, 115 days in. And where I sit, I can tell you, I was there pushing on key issues. I'm in the middle of a bunch of them. Judge Jeanine will keep them going. It's harder than you think to move fast enough.
I agree with all that. But there will be accountability. The truth will be known. People will be accountable. And as importantly, by the way, people that have been damaged will be healed. They will be given either pardons like the president's done for a lot of people or other things. I think, you know, we have a set of people that have been targeted by the government that deserve to be helped.
Yeah, well, something like that, yeah.
And that's going to be part of this, guaranteed.
By the way, that did make a man. I will say this. People ask me in all my interviews that Senate, they said, are you for reparations? So that's a stupid term that was used about. But I am for when somebody gets wronged and destroyed by their government, that they be taken care of, that they they try to make them whole insofar as they can. That's only fair.
Right, right.
By the way, that's not Strzok and and Page getting a million dollar payout, which is what they got. By the way, that's another form of weaponization of government when you have Biden administration and Strzok and Page transferring wealth to each other based on an agreement. That's completely inappropriate.
They sued because they were heard about how their texts were released to the public.
No one gave me a million dollars. Maybe give me a call. No, give us a call. But but so so getting to the bottom of that kind of stuff, that kind of conduct is another part of this thing. So it's but it will it almost feels like it can never end because it's so, you know, the weaponization against the citizens began a long time ago.
But we really started to see it under Biden and they they accelerated the conduct. As you can see it, you can see the memos. Merrick Garland and all, target the Catholics, right? And go after the school boards and Jack Smith. Jack Smith took, he used a grand jury in DC, which is famously favorable to the Democrats to do almost all of his work.
And then he flew down to Florida and basically transferred it down there. The For lawyers, this is like unheard of stuff. And everybody goes, oh, yeah, you know, Letitia James. And the way the conduct happens and people go, oh, yeah, you know. By the way, one thing too, Tucker, to preview.
The lawyers, the bar associations and the targeting of lawyers is another way that they've weaponized government against people. You know, you can say what you want about Rudy or something publicly.
we've never had the system weaponized against lawyers for doing their jobs right it's never been like that again it's it's indication of something wrong with why are you so upset about the election there's a reason exactly but also it's it's also inappropriate uh as a matter of public policy those organizations are all 501c3s they're all protected by law they're all basically monopolies right so they're so you're sitting here where you got the dc bar disciplinary council is basically doing dick durbin's bidding
Every time Dick Durbin says something, he'll make a complaint against me. He'll do it against Judge Jeanine. And you're like, wait a second. This is not the system that we're supposed to have. So it's another one that's the weaponization of the law against the citizens to the detriment of the country.
Well, you've been reading the Washington Post. I haven't been.
It's been going on, though, for a while. I mean, maybe. I mean, look, Phyllis Schlafly, for whom I worked, there's this famous exchange where she's given a speech, and she says, Clarence Thomas said to her, how do you keep going, Phyllis? You know, she said, how do you keep—he said, and she said, there's a prayer, she says, you know, that she would always say, from the malignant enemy, defend me.
It's one of the Catholic prayers, you know. Yes. You know, look, we're so blessed. You know, you have the same attitude to be in this country, to have so many opportunities. And people deserve, our families deserve to have a future. And so this is the fight that we're in. And, you know, they've said terrible things for about a month. My wife doesn't watch TV, which is great.
Doesn't read the papers, thank God. My kids do a little bit now, and they're not quite as convinced that I'm as good a guy as I told them I was before. But no, no, it's a... It's a battle. It's a fight for the future. And so some of us are going to take a bit of a beating and we'll keep going.
Well, look, I think, you know, I got to say, the Senate's got to process, respect the process, all that stuff, right? So check the box. I did that with you. So I met with the guy for 90 minutes, you know, for, by the way, for about a decade, I've done work when Phyllis Schlafly, the late Phyllis Schlafly, from whom I worked, one of the things she cared a lot about was patents.
Well, that's fair. I thought you were going to say something different. You know, the one thing I tell people all the time is one of the reasons you have to care to de-escalate the rhetoric is it is leading. You can see it's leading to it. I mean, people are spitting on me on the sidewalk, right? This is not normal behavior. Mr. May, she knew who you were.
Well, that's a—yes. I mean, I knew who you were because I follow this stuff, but like— But I think that the— It can lead to—when people start to lose power, you see the desperation, right? You see the—and to me, that's the one thing you start to notice. And so, yes, it could be really terrible on a Democrat administration.
Imagine, you know, what it's like for, you know, President Rahm Emanuel when he puts in, you know, Attorney General, I don't know, Adam Schiff and what the heck that's like. It feels like we've gone to the bottom and maybe—
you know, finish a thought that I had earlier that I didn't get to finish, which is, it feels like a lot of people that were good people before, you know, a hundred years ago, again, back to the a hundred years ago, good people just had good morals, cared about each other, fight, fight, fight, but be honorable on the same side. That doesn't seem as common right now, right?
That there's some people that really are not good people that are just disagreeing. They're really not good people. And that's dangerous, right? you can feel that sometimes. And I think that's a worry, but it's something that we have to live with and work through and pray about and try to build the community about to see.
Thank you.
and protecting individual patent holders and inventors. So for years, we've had patent events. One of the participants in the patent events is Tom Tillis all the time because he's good on that issue and we would work with him. So not a stranger in terms of policy stuff to me. So when I met with him, 90 minutes, he railed on J6. He said, how could you represent J6 people?
How stupid do people have to be to go into the Capitol and blah, blah, blah? And I said, sir, you know, look, I've looked at this closely. It feels like you're not quite paying attention to what happened, right?
And look, here's the thing. You know, Tucker, this is what I mean by this is the fight we're in, this fight for the future of our country. Millions of Americans fall victim to the hoaxes one after another. And if you fall victim to the J6 hoax that it was an insurrection armed and this close to the end, then you might act like Tom Tillis and you might rant and rave and say things like that.
And that's what he did. But if you're I think if you're not under the spell of the hoax, you say, oh, wait a second. Lots of people were waived into the Capitol. And maybe you could charge him with trespass, but you can't throw him in jail for three years, four years, three and a half years. Right. Because of and then the Supreme Court, bipartisan Supreme Court throws out the charge that was used.
It's called the 1512 charge. When I got in my office as U.S. attorney, I said first week, we're going to look at the 1512. Who charged it? And of course, it was charged by Merrick Garland and Lisa Monaco right across. It wasn't it wasn't the guy in my chair. He's he was an empty suit there to just, you know, carry water as they went.
Right up. Right up. Of course. I mean, look, 1512 is an Andrew Weissman creation, right? This was Andrew Weissman advocated for 1512 charge.
In the Mueller investigation and the Mueller investigation. Andrew Weissman is one of these lawyers who is at NYU right now. He goes in and out of government and he's basically at the center. There's about six or seven of these people that are at the center of coordinating the weaponization of government against the people right now.
And every time you turn around, you know, I love I'll give it to you. The guy that was the prosecutor in Kosovo before Jack Smith, you know, a special prosecutor. Forget his name right now. He left. So Jack Smith could come in. Where'd he go? One guess, NYU to Andrew Weissman's shop.
So when you watch Andrew Weissman's at Mueller, he says in Mueller, we need 1512. We can charge Trump in the, watch this. We can use 1512. We're making it up, but we can get away with it if we build it out this way and just get everybody to go along. He fails at that, Mueller. You know, Barr says, and Jeff Jensen, no, Barr says, you can't do that, right? You can't do, we're not going to do that.
Shuts it down. And then along comes Andrew Weissman, Lisa Monaco, all these same people. They say, charge the 1512. Tucker, the 1512 charge, right? Viewers may not track it well enough, but 1512 was an addition to the law about 20 years ago after Enron, because Arthur Anderson, the accounting firm, was destroying documents everywhere. Enron was the target of the investigation.
Arthur Anderson was destroying documents, wasn't the target. And there was no law to say if you knew there was an investigation, you shouldn't destroy documents. So they passed this law. OK, 1512. It said, if you know there's an official proceeding, you're not allowed to destroy documents.
Yeah. OK, that's it. All these years later, Weissman is saying we'll use obstruction of official proceeding. We'll expand official proceeding. We'll call it. Oh, yeah, we'll call it the Electoral College count and we'll go after everybody. But first, before we go for Trump, let's drag a couple of hundred people into jail. We'll make them plead guilty. We'll try them with a bad jury.
We'll make the judges roll along and we'll make sure we put them in one after another. We'll say, see, 15, 12. It's a good charge. Judges went for it. Everybody went for it. And then we'll get Trump. And one judge said no. Then it went up to the Supreme Court and the bipartisan Supreme Court said, hell no, and threw it all out.
So we watched American citizens rotting in jail for years for walking through the Capitol and 1512. And Tillis is okay with that. Well, Tillis is saying, oh, my gosh. He said anyone who's dumb enough to go into the Capitol should be charged with everything under the sun. I said, well, if a cop opens the door and you walk in and you walk out, you're going to charge him?
And anyway, so— What did he say when you asked that?
It was an insight into the mind of people that are trapped in that understanding. The other thing they all said to me is, oh, you must like people that hit cops because you defended people that hit cops. Who said that? Everybody. The Washington Post, all these people. Because lawyers are supposed to defend. We defend the sort of worst of the worst. Always. That's the system.
For people who've been charged with crimes. Exactly. Isn't that the way it works? Isn't that the way it works? So I say, look. Nobody's for hitting cops, right? Nobody's for hitting cops. My office, my predecessor, did not charge cops—did not charge assaults on police officers because they're only misdemeanors in the stupid D.C. laws.
And I said, new law, new rule, touch a cop getting charged with assault, right? So— stipulate we're all against hitting cops. After that, what happened on January 6th, forget about even the day of it. Watch what happens. Liz Cheney and Bennie Thompson run a $50 million misinformation campaign to tell the world this is what was going on. And that's what Tom Tillis is believing, I guess.
Yeah, right. And I look, I'm I'm past it now, except to say this. The weaponization of government against the people. is what we see over and over and over again. And when the leaders either acquiesce to it or fall for the hoax of it, we see it over and over and over again. Whether you pick a FISA court, we just watch this over and over. And you don't have time to say, was your heart in it?
Are you lying? It's just, you're willing to buy into that worldview.
Yeah.
did any members of the senate i mean in my in my um probably not in the conversations i had but but that you do bring us to does anyone care well you bring us to a point where as i started this out is uh we're in a fight for about information right and we're told get over it and move on it's like the 2020 election yeah the people say to me they say i was a stop the steel organizer
Well, I ran the election board in St. Louis, back in St. Louis. You know, I ran the election board. I know how elections work. The 2020 election, there were lots of things that were really off base. That's why I've always said it. I maintain it today. It doesn't mean that I've proven the election was stolen. No, but I know there's things that were off. Well, you weren't allowed to say that.
Remember, you're not even allowed to say that out loud and you go forward. And so they say, oh, you were stopped to steal. So I said, wait, isn't that the system we're supposed to have? And we keep seeing information online. government weaponized to stop information flow. And most of us move on, right? You move on to the next thing because the way the world is moving.
And one of the things this effort to do to focus on weaponization is to get the truth out. So to your point, we still don't know the answer to that. We do not know how many ages. How can we not know? I mean, I'm going to get it out or I'm going to die trying. Pipe bomber. As a prosecutor, I've got the pipe bomber case in my office. The FBI, Bongino said to the FBI, change all the agents.
Everybody look at it again. It's been going on for about five weeks. It's like Keystone Cops, you know? They didn't interview some of the people that you would have said, that might be a suspect, that hadn't interviewed him. I mean, so the question becomes, what's happening here? Is it incompetence? It feels worse than incompetence, right? And so that information... It does, it does.
With a great friend of ours too, Tim Hale, the only thing you did that was really egregious to me was at one point on camera, you were sort of dancing in one of the areas as celebrating America. It wasn't your best dance moves.
With a great friend of ours too, Tim Hale, the only thing you did that was really egregious to me was at one point on camera, you were sort of dancing in one of the areas as celebrating America. It wasn't your best dance moves.
So much happening. I think the title we put on this program is Trump's winning. Trump's winning. America's winning. It's unbelievable, really.
So much happening. I think the title we put on this program is Trump's winning. Trump's winning. America's winning. It's unbelievable, really.
And people feel great. The market's way up. There's talk of deals. There's talk of peace in the world. There's talk of progress. Trump is winning over and over again.
And people feel great. The market's way up. There's talk of deals. There's talk of peace in the world. There's talk of progress. Trump is winning over and over again.
Who's got the power to use the woke movement and the cancel culture to damage how we're living together? That's what's happening in America.
Who's got the power to use the woke movement and the cancel culture to damage how we're living together? That's what's happening in America.
I'm a member of the 74 million club. 74 million Americans voted for this guy, Donald Trump. And they didn't vote, as you point out, for all of his policies in office. They voted for a personality who was fighting on their side, who believed that we could be America first.
I'm a member of the 74 million club. 74 million Americans voted for this guy, Donald Trump. And they didn't vote, as you point out, for all of his policies in office. They voted for a personality who was fighting on their side, who believed that we could be America first.
With a great friend of ours too, Tim Hale, the only thing you did that was really egregious to me was at one point on camera, you were sort of dancing in one of the areas as celebrating America. It wasn't your best dance moves.
So much happening. I think the title we put on this program is Trump's winning. Trump's winning. America's winning. It's unbelievable, really.
And people feel great. The market's way up. There's talk of deals. There's talk of peace in the world. There's talk of progress. Trump is winning over and over again.
Who's got the power to use the woke movement and the cancel culture to damage how we're living together? That's what's happening in America.
I'm a member of the 74 million club. 74 million Americans voted for this guy, Donald Trump. And they didn't vote, as you point out, for all of his policies in office. They voted for a personality who was fighting on their side, who believed that we could be America first.
Well, let me say it carefully. The gatekeepers, different characterization of who was using the access, but the gatekeepers were Klain and Anita Dunn and Bob Bauer. And those three were really dominant characters in the White House. Rick Keddie a little bit and obviously Jill, but I think that was the three. Bob? I was with this person and I said, what about Susan Rice?
Well, let me say it carefully. The gatekeepers, different characterization of who was using the access, but the gatekeepers were Klain and Anita Dunn and Bob Bauer. And those three were really dominant characters in the White House. Rick Keddie a little bit and obviously Jill, but I think that was the three. Bob? I was with this person and I said, what about Susan Rice?
What about some of these others? And they said, no, this was these were the ones.
What about some of these others? And they said, no, this was these were the ones.
It's not been charged.
It's not been charged.
This is there is a path. The U.S. House could use its power. They could grant immunity to witnesses to bring them in. They could redo the select committee's fake hearings, fake report. All the fake that they did, they could do now and bring it flooding forth. They could find out who the pipe bomber really is. That's known by somebody.
This is there is a path. The U.S. House could use its power. They could grant immunity to witnesses to bring them in. They could redo the select committee's fake hearings, fake report. All the fake that they did, they could do now and bring it flooding forth. They could find out who the pipe bomber really is. That's known by somebody.
The pipe bomber who left a bomb in front of the Democrat headquarters and the Republican headquarters at 6 o'clock on January 5th. And at 1 o'clock on January 6th, the two pipe bombs were discovered and became a predicate for locking down everything. Here's my point. The Democrats are doing something systematically. It's not accidental. Byron Donalds, the congressman, is right.
The pipe bomber who left a bomb in front of the Democrat headquarters and the Republican headquarters at 6 o'clock on January 5th. And at 1 o'clock on January 6th, the two pipe bombs were discovered and became a predicate for locking down everything. Here's my point. The Democrats are doing something systematically. It's not accidental. Byron Donalds, the congressman, is right.
It should be charged under RICO. It's a conspiracy. But the Republicans, in order to prove that, they have to go back and break down January 6th. And they have the power to do it.
It should be charged under RICO. It's a conspiracy. But the Republicans, in order to prove that, they have to go back and break down January 6th. And they have the power to do it.
Here's that they're telling us the truth. But here's what I'd say. If the FBI really can't find out what happened, it's because somebody more power, either the FBI is corrupt, which I'm not willing to say yet, or someone bigger than the FBI has made it so they can't figure it out. Think about that.
Here's that they're telling us the truth. But here's what I'd say. If the FBI really can't find out what happened, it's because somebody more power, either the FBI is corrupt, which I'm not willing to say yet, or someone bigger than the FBI has made it so they can't figure it out. Think about that.
or I'm gonna die trying, pipe bomber. As a prosecutor, I've got the pipe bomber case in my office. The FBI, Bongino said to the FBI, change all the agents. Everybody look at it again. It's been going on for about five weeks. It's like Keystone Cops, you know? They didn't interview some of the people that you would have said, that might be a suspect, that hadn't interviewed him.
or I'm gonna die trying, pipe bomber. As a prosecutor, I've got the pipe bomber case in my office. The FBI, Bongino said to the FBI, change all the agents. Everybody look at it again. It's been going on for about five weeks. It's like Keystone Cops, you know? They didn't interview some of the people that you would have said, that might be a suspect, that hadn't interviewed him.
I mean, so the question becomes, what's happening here? Is it incompetence? It feels worse than incompetence, right? And so that information- It does, it does. What do you think? Well- I think it's worse than incompetence. But I think the only way forward is to not describe what I think of the motives, but to expose over and over again what's happened.
I mean, so the question becomes, what's happening here? Is it incompetence? It feels worse than incompetence, right? And so that information- It does, it does. What do you think? Well- I think it's worse than incompetence. But I think the only way forward is to not describe what I think of the motives, but to expose over and over again what's happened.
If you expose what's happened and the truth gets out, then accountability is possible. If you don't expose what's happened, the accountability looks like targeting. Right. So you got to do this one to get to this one. And the other side just does this. And then they count on the media to tell us it's OK. We have to do this and this.
If you expose what's happened and the truth gets out, then accountability is possible. If you don't expose what's happened, the accountability looks like targeting. Right. So you got to do this one to get to this one. And the other side just does this. And then they count on the media to tell us it's OK. We have to do this and this.
And that's my answer to some people that say, what's Dan doing, Bungie? You know, I talk to him every week or so. He's going hammer and tongs at this stuff right here. You can't arrest everybody the first month, but you've got to get this going. And it's a challenge. But I'm glad people are holding us, you know, pushing everybody. It's good, but it's it's harder than it looks. It really is.
And that's my answer to some people that say, what's Dan doing, Bungie? You know, I talk to him every week or so. He's going hammer and tongs at this stuff right here. You can't arrest everybody the first month, but you've got to get this going. And it's a challenge. But I'm glad people are holding us, you know, pushing everybody. It's good, but it's it's harder than it looks. It really is.
Always a pleasure. Great to be with you, Vince. Thanks.
Always a pleasure. Great to be with you, Vince. Thanks.
Well, look, I tell people I respect the process, right? The Senate has a particular role. You know, I was appointed by President Trump for 120 day term. It's called at the beginning of the administration. I was for that, by the way. A lot of times a U.S. attorney is nominated and it takes two or three or four months to get in office.
Well, look, I tell people I respect the process, right? The Senate has a particular role. You know, I was appointed by President Trump for 120 day term. It's called at the beginning of the administration. I was for that, by the way. A lot of times a U.S. attorney is nominated and it takes two or three or four months to get in office.
And during that two or three or four months, it's the beginning of a presidency, especially in D.C., And so I said, look, put me in for the 120 day one and I'll either earn the confirmation from the Senate or I'll, you know, find something else to do. And in this case, the president liked what we were doing, the direction he gave us. We were doing well.
And during that two or three or four months, it's the beginning of a presidency, especially in D.C., And so I said, look, put me in for the 120 day one and I'll either earn the confirmation from the Senate or I'll, you know, find something else to do. And in this case, the president liked what we were doing, the direction he gave us. We were doing well.
And I was nominated and went up to the Senate. Went through the process. You know, Senator Tillis expressed a bunch of reservations during a meeting with me, an hour and a half meeting. Most of the reservations were about January 6th. But I don't really have to I can say I really don't understand substantively why he was, you know, decided he wasn't going to support moving forward.
And I was nominated and went up to the Senate. Went through the process. You know, Senator Tillis expressed a bunch of reservations during a meeting with me, an hour and a half meeting. Most of the reservations were about January 6th. But I don't really have to I can say I really don't understand substantively why he was, you know, decided he wasn't going to support moving forward.
But that's what he said. And more importantly, I think I could have won nomination. Actually, I could have gone and continued to fight. But President Trump said, hey, look, we got other things we're doing.
But that's what he said. And more importantly, I think I could have won nomination. Actually, I could have gone and continued to fight. But President Trump said, hey, look, we got other things we're doing.
Well, I certainly don't understand it. Let's say it that way. I'm not sure I'll characterize it as bizarre, but I didn't understand it. I mean, I spent 90 minutes with him. We talked a lot about January 6th. He was very, very energetic. He had a lot of opinions and I explained mine. I think the job that the president nominated me to do, U.S.
Well, I certainly don't understand it. Let's say it that way. I'm not sure I'll characterize it as bizarre, but I didn't understand it. I mean, I spent 90 minutes with him. We talked a lot about January 6th. He was very, very energetic. He had a lot of opinions and I explained mine. I think the job that the president nominated me to do, U.S.
attorney, requires a certain amount of character, a certain amount of ability. I think I have both of those. So Look, at a certain point, you know, Vince, I have the distinction of being like you. I did a lot of talk radio. I said a lot of things about a lot of people, including senators. And for some reason, they didn't want to move forward. And Tom Tillis was the lead guy.
attorney, requires a certain amount of character, a certain amount of ability. I think I have both of those. So Look, at a certain point, you know, Vince, I have the distinction of being like you. I did a lot of talk radio. I said a lot of things about a lot of people, including senators. And for some reason, they didn't want to move forward. And Tom Tillis was the lead guy.
At the end of the day, I'm not going to spend much time worrying about it. We got work to do.
At the end of the day, I'm not going to spend much time worrying about it. We got work to do.
Well, I was surprised in the sense that, you know, my name is Ed Martin and suddenly all these people are putting my name on social media, other places to support me. I wasn't surprised because people believe in Donald Trump. And so they were saying Donald Trump should have his pick for the U.S. attorney in D.C. And so that was gratifying. And I was glad my name was on it.
Well, I was surprised in the sense that, you know, my name is Ed Martin and suddenly all these people are putting my name on social media, other places to support me. I wasn't surprised because people believe in Donald Trump. And so they were saying Donald Trump should have his pick for the U.S. attorney in D.C. And so that was gratifying. And I was glad my name was on it.
But it's a little bit like when President Trump said in the Oval Office as he was talking about this, he said, I I like Ed Martin. He's a good guy, all that stuff, which is nice. But he said Ed Martin drove down crime 25%. Well, I didn't really drive down crime. Donald Trump put me in charge and gave us a vision, gave us the resources, and we got it done.
But it's a little bit like when President Trump said in the Oval Office as he was talking about this, he said, I I like Ed Martin. He's a good guy, all that stuff, which is nice. But he said Ed Martin drove down crime 25%. Well, I didn't really drive down crime. Donald Trump put me in charge and gave us a vision, gave us the resources, and we got it done.
So that's really on him, and it's his deal. So I was excited that people were supporting me because I was with President Trump on these issues and this job, and that was kind of cool.
So that's really on him, and it's his deal. So I was excited that people were supporting me because I was with President Trump on these issues and this job, and that was kind of cool.
Yeah, and it was even better than that, to be honest. I mean, what happened, these are nuts and bolts of an office, but, you know, a prosecutor's office, the D.C. office is the greatest in the country because half of it is the local crime. The other half is a big federal district, you know, federal U.S. attorney's office. As to the local crime, we flipped everything on its head.
Yeah, and it was even better than that, to be honest. I mean, what happened, these are nuts and bolts of an office, but, you know, a prosecutor's office, the D.C. office is the greatest in the country because half of it is the local crime. The other half is a big federal district, you know, federal U.S. attorney's office. As to the local crime, we flipped everything on its head.
My predecessor did everything by email. We asked the cops and the prosecutors to get face to face. And when you're face to face, you figure out how to charge these things. You figure out how to manage a case. And so we changed our papering rules. They call it how you charge cases. As you said, we told our prosecutors, you don't get to turn down misdemeanors because you don't like them.
My predecessor did everything by email. We asked the cops and the prosecutors to get face to face. And when you're face to face, you figure out how to charge these things. You figure out how to manage a case. And so we changed our papering rules. They call it how you charge cases. As you said, we told our prosecutors, you don't get to turn down misdemeanors because you don't like them.
A lot of times prosecutors don't want to be bothered. A misdemeanor is hard to do. You don't get much of a penalty. The juries are hard. No. If somebody breaks a rule, we're going to charge them. We're going to charge them. As John Ashcroft, famous memo, he said, we're going to charge with the most readily provable crime you charge. And so we were doing that. We also changed the rules.
A lot of times prosecutors don't want to be bothered. A misdemeanor is hard to do. You don't get much of a penalty. The juries are hard. No. If somebody breaks a rule, we're going to charge them. We're going to charge them. As John Ashcroft, famous memo, he said, we're going to charge with the most readily provable crime you charge. And so we were doing that. We also changed the rules.
My predecessor did not fight to get assaults on police officers. A lot of times those are misdemeanors. And they say, well, it's too much trouble. No, if you touch a cop in the district, you know, if you spit on a cop, I have some experience now of that. If you do any of those things, you should be charged no matter what the charge is.
My predecessor did not fight to get assaults on police officers. A lot of times those are misdemeanors. And they say, well, it's too much trouble. No, if you touch a cop in the district, you know, if you spit on a cop, I have some experience now of that. If you do any of those things, you should be charged no matter what the charge is.
And the law officers, the cops said, hey, we can feel you're on our side. So, again, that was the vision the president had. Last one, by the way, if you want to stop violent crime, you can run around and have conversations about lots of things. But the most likely way to slow it is to get people, men mostly, with guns off the streets.
And the law officers, the cops said, hey, we can feel you're on our side. So, again, that was the vision the president had. Last one, by the way, if you want to stop violent crime, you can run around and have conversations about lots of things. But the most likely way to slow it is to get people, men mostly, with guns off the streets.
And we targeted the people with guns and we got them off the street. And in two months, and that was March and April, and May's numbers are still climbing, we charged almost as many gun crimes in March and April as my predecessor did all last year, okay? So that's the difference.
And we targeted the people with guns and we got them off the street. And in two months, and that was March and April, and May's numbers are still climbing, we charged almost as many gun crimes in March and April as my predecessor did all last year, okay? So that's the difference.
And look, if you get a guy with a gun off the streets in D.C., you get somebody off the streets who's probably not going to Boy Scouts, probably not going to be part of the Rotary Club, right? He's doing other things. And so the cascading effect is... is very, very effective. And we were doing that and we'll continue to do it.
And look, if you get a guy with a gun off the streets in D.C., you get somebody off the streets who's probably not going to Boy Scouts, probably not going to be part of the Rotary Club, right? He's doing other things. And so the cascading effect is... is very, very effective. And we were doing that and we'll continue to do it.
Yeah, law enforcement's awesome, right? So very quickly, the Marshal Service as well as the FBI, they got a track of her. And I think if she hasn't been arrested yet, it's any time. I think they know who she is. They know where she lives, what she's about. So, yeah, look, I mean, here's the thing. You know, being spit on is not nice, right?
Yeah, law enforcement's awesome, right? So very quickly, the Marshal Service as well as the FBI, they got a track of her. And I think if she hasn't been arrested yet, it's any time. I think they know who she is. They know where she lives, what she's about. So, yeah, look, I mean, here's the thing. You know, being spit on is not nice, right?
When she was charging towards me, I thought we were about to have a full-on assault. But I just would say this. She said, are you Ed Martin? And I turned and she said, oh, you are Ed Martin. Now, she wasn't targeting me because I wasn't, you know, kind to her in shop class in high school. I never saw her before. I don't know her. She did it because I was the U.S. attorney. If you hit the U.S.
When she was charging towards me, I thought we were about to have a full-on assault. But I just would say this. She said, are you Ed Martin? And I turned and she said, oh, you are Ed Martin. Now, she wasn't targeting me because I wasn't, you know, kind to her in shop class in high school. I never saw her before. I don't know her. She did it because I was the U.S. attorney. If you hit the U.S.
attorney, if you attack him, if you assault him, just like Judge Boasberg, you know, the conservatives are frustrated with Judge Boasberg, but... I sent Judge Boasberg a letter soon after a lot of the attention. I said, if anyone threatens you or your family, we want to prosecute them to the fullest, not to the most interesting.
attorney, if you attack him, if you assault him, just like Judge Boasberg, you know, the conservatives are frustrated with Judge Boasberg, but... I sent Judge Boasberg a letter soon after a lot of the attention. I said, if anyone threatens you or your family, we want to prosecute them to the fullest, not to the most interesting.
No, anything you do because you cannot, you have to raise the cost of being a jerk, even if you think, oh, well, it's not that threatening. Somebody's spitting on me. I didn't feel, well, I did feel like I was being threatened, but maybe, you know, it turned out fine, but you can't allow that. And so they'll get her and she'll be charged.
No, anything you do because you cannot, you have to raise the cost of being a jerk, even if you think, oh, well, it's not that threatening. Somebody's spitting on me. I didn't feel, well, I did feel like I was being threatened, but maybe, you know, it turned out fine, but you can't allow that. And so they'll get her and she'll be charged.
I answer the second question first by saying I have – well, let me say this. As U.S. attorney, my job is to look at what is going on and to try to assess how we can make things better and enforce the law, but also the policy preferences of this president. President Trump talked about weaponization, talked about anti-Semitism. He has banned DEI, which is really racist and hateful.
I answer the second question first by saying I have – well, let me say this. As U.S. attorney, my job is to look at what is going on and to try to assess how we can make things better and enforce the law, but also the policy preferences of this president. President Trump talked about weaponization, talked about anti-Semitism. He has banned DEI, which is really racist and hateful.
So all these preferences as prosecutor, I have an obligation in my mind, but to ask questions when you see these things. Look, Chuck Schumer stood on the steps of the Supreme Court and he said, we will release the whirlwind on you, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh by name. Now, I looked at that and I thought that sounds like a threat. Pretty direct, pretty narrow, pretty clear.
So all these preferences as prosecutor, I have an obligation in my mind, but to ask questions when you see these things. Look, Chuck Schumer stood on the steps of the Supreme Court and he said, we will release the whirlwind on you, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh by name. Now, I looked at that and I thought that sounds like a threat. Pretty direct, pretty narrow, pretty clear.
A month later, Kavanaugh's got somebody in front of his house with a gun and zip ties. So you can say, well, what are we doing here? My letter to Schumer was clarify what you're saying, because if you're saying I think you deserve to clarify. And I wanted the public to know I was asking.
A month later, Kavanaugh's got somebody in front of his house with a gun and zip ties. So you can say, well, what are we doing here? My letter to Schumer was clarify what you're saying, because if you're saying I think you deserve to clarify. And I wanted the public to know I was asking.
And by the way, Schumer did clarify on the floor of the Senate and he backed off and he apologized and all the rest. And he probably didn't. Oh, he didn't, in my estimation, commit a crime. That's why I didn't charge him. But the fact is we have to have public conversations about these horrendous things.
And by the way, Schumer did clarify on the floor of the Senate and he backed off and he apologized and all the rest. And he probably didn't. Oh, he didn't, in my estimation, commit a crime. That's why I didn't charge him. But the fact is we have to have public conversations about these horrendous things.
DEI, Georgetown University School of Law, someone came to me and they said they're still pushing the DEI stuff. Georgetown, by the way, the silly dean wrote me back and he said, oh, First Amendment, First Amendment. I didn't say he couldn't do it. Do whatever you want, but don't take federal tax dollars.
DEI, Georgetown University School of Law, someone came to me and they said they're still pushing the DEI stuff. Georgetown, by the way, the silly dean wrote me back and he said, oh, First Amendment, First Amendment. I didn't say he couldn't do it. Do whatever you want, but don't take federal tax dollars.
If you're going to put it publicly out there that you're doing DEI and doing hate, just like if you're doing anti-Semitism, we're going to say we're not going to send tax dollars your way and we don't have to. So that's what the letters were about. I tell people it's like an iceberg. You're seeing the top third. About two thirds of it was below. Nobody's seen most of the letters I wrote.
If you're going to put it publicly out there that you're doing DEI and doing hate, just like if you're doing anti-Semitism, we're going to say we're not going to send tax dollars your way and we don't have to. So that's what the letters were about. I tell people it's like an iceberg. You're seeing the top third. About two thirds of it was below. Nobody's seen most of the letters I wrote.
As to the Biden letters about the pardon, the question was about the pardons. And to be fair, it wasn't about the auto pen necessarily. It was about we've never seen pardons of the scope. And it looks at least like something that you could be corrupt.
As to the Biden letters about the pardon, the question was about the pardons. And to be fair, it wasn't about the auto pen necessarily. It was about we've never seen pardons of the scope. And it looks at least like something that you could be corrupt.
When Bill Clinton pardoned Mark Rich and it turns out that Mark Rich had paid a boatload of money to one of Clinton's friends, the lawyers, that's not corrupt. It's not criminal because the plenary power of the pardon. But in the case of Joe Biden and his pardons, they were so specific. Back 14 years, covering everything you've ever done.
When Bill Clinton pardoned Mark Rich and it turns out that Mark Rich had paid a boatload of money to one of Clinton's friends, the lawyers, that's not corrupt. It's not criminal because the plenary power of the pardon. But in the case of Joe Biden and his pardons, they were so specific. Back 14 years, covering everything you've ever done.
I mean, when I say specific, they were broad, but they had time stuff on them. It was very – and that – Least leads to questions because the plenary power is true, but the question is what was going on here? And I did get responses from some of them, and those things are ongoing.
I mean, when I say specific, they were broad, but they had time stuff on them. It was very – and that – Least leads to questions because the plenary power is true, but the question is what was going on here? And I did get responses from some of them, and those things are ongoing.
Well, first of all, the most glaring example of weaponization of government that we've probably ever seen is, at least in terms of numbers, is the January 6th use of the 1512 charge. The 1512 charge was written 20 years ago to deal with evidence, destruction of evidence, physical evidence,
Well, first of all, the most glaring example of weaponization of government that we've probably ever seen is, at least in terms of numbers, is the January 6th use of the 1512 charge. The 1512 charge was written 20 years ago to deal with evidence, destruction of evidence, physical evidence,
A guy named Andrew Weissman tried to use the 1512 during the Mueller investigation on Donald Trump to claim that the 1512 charge, which refers to obstruction of an official proceeding, but it refers to evidence destruction.
A guy named Andrew Weissman tried to use the 1512 during the Mueller investigation on Donald Trump to claim that the 1512 charge, which refers to obstruction of an official proceeding, but it refers to evidence destruction.
In other words, the official proceeding ongoing at the time the law was written was when they had Arthur Anderson was destroying documents because there was an investigation at Enron. And the idea was, wait a second, if you know there's an investigation, official proceeding, you shouldn't be destroying things, Arthur Anderson. That's why it was written.
In other words, the official proceeding ongoing at the time the law was written was when they had Arthur Anderson was destroying documents because there was an investigation at Enron. And the idea was, wait a second, if you know there's an investigation, official proceeding, you shouldn't be destroying things, Arthur Anderson. That's why it was written.
Well, the 1512 charge was then used against hundreds and hundreds of Americans, and a bipartisan Supreme Court threw it out. People spent years in jail, some of them over a year in solitary confinement, having walked through the Capitol because of the 1512. That's weaponization. That's the use of the law against individuals in a very specific way.
Well, the 1512 charge was then used against hundreds and hundreds of Americans, and a bipartisan Supreme Court threw it out. People spent years in jail, some of them over a year in solitary confinement, having walked through the Capitol because of the 1512. That's weaponization. That's the use of the law against individuals in a very specific way.
And my office, where I am, is the one that did that. So I've been investigating why they do that. Who made the 1512 call? You know, how did you make that decision? That's an example. You can't really weaponize the law only by the FBI. When the FBI was abusing the Catholics, they made a list, you know, target the Catholics. That's the beginning of the abuse.
And my office, where I am, is the one that did that. So I've been investigating why they do that. Who made the 1512 call? You know, how did you make that decision? That's an example. You can't really weaponize the law only by the FBI. When the FBI was abusing the Catholics, they made a list, you know, target the Catholics. That's the beginning of the abuse.
The further abuse is when you use the prosecutor because you got to. grand jury and you subpoena people and you look at their records. And that's in, again, a prosecutor's office. The surveillance of people under FISA, the FISA is, of course, secret and it's in D.C. But our office is butting up against that. And some of that's classified.
The further abuse is when you use the prosecutor because you got to. grand jury and you subpoena people and you look at their records. And that's in, again, a prosecutor's office. The surveillance of people under FISA, the FISA is, of course, secret and it's in D.C. But our office is butting up against that. And some of that's classified.
So it's hard to talk about to you on the on the on the TV right now. But this is all the use of government against individuals and discovering how they're doing it. is an ongoing process. And again, this office is one of the places where you needed the tool, meaning the prosecutor's office, to abuse people. And so that's why we're digging into it.
So it's hard to talk about to you on the on the on the TV right now. But this is all the use of government against individuals and discovering how they're doing it. is an ongoing process. And again, this office is one of the places where you needed the tool, meaning the prosecutor's office, to abuse people. And so that's why we're digging into it.
And I think we're going to see more and more, well, I'm going to be a part of it, uncovering broadly how the weaponization has impacted people. You know, Jack Smith, how he was using, Jack Smith used the grand jury in D.C., friendly grand jury, to get lots of information. And then he went down to Florida and, to move the case against Trump. That's weaponization.
And I think we're going to see more and more, well, I'm going to be a part of it, uncovering broadly how the weaponization has impacted people. You know, Jack Smith, how he was using, Jack Smith used the grand jury in D.C., friendly grand jury, to get lots of information. And then he went down to Florida and, to move the case against Trump. That's weaponization.
That's the use of the government, the law against individuals in ways that we haven't seen done before. And again, maybe it's not criminal. I don't know, but we're going to find out.
That's the use of the government, the law against individuals in ways that we haven't seen done before. And again, maybe it's not criminal. I don't know, but we're going to find out.
Yes. Yes, it could. Yes, it could. Certainly could. Look, Vince, I'll tell you something I've talked a lot about recently, and I want to say to your viewers. Justice right now requires two things. It requires the truth, transparency, and then accountability by prosecution, in my opinion. In other words, right now, all of us in this country do not trust the government so much.
Yes. Yes, it could. Yes, it could. Certainly could. Look, Vince, I'll tell you something I've talked a lot about recently, and I want to say to your viewers. Justice right now requires two things. It requires the truth, transparency, and then accountability by prosecution, in my opinion. In other words, right now, all of us in this country do not trust the government so much.
We're in the opposite. We're in the anti-Reagan moment. When Reagan said trust and verify, we're in the distrust and verify. Starting point is I distrust the government. And so if I said tomorrow, hey, Vince, I'm going to prosecute so-and-so, you should say, I don't trust you. I don't trust anybody. Is that weaponization?
We're in the opposite. We're in the anti-Reagan moment. When Reagan said trust and verify, we're in the distrust and verify. Starting point is I distrust the government. And so if I said tomorrow, hey, Vince, I'm going to prosecute so-and-so, you should say, I don't trust you. I don't trust anybody. Is that weaponization?
So what you have to do first to get real justice right now is be transparent. Get the truth out. Tell me what actually happened. What was Jack Smith doing when he shopped the grand jury to go to Florida? Tell me those facts so I can trust when you say next he's going to held accountable this way. And let me tell you something. Like, for example, Fauci.
So what you have to do first to get real justice right now is be transparent. Get the truth out. Tell me what actually happened. What was Jack Smith doing when he shopped the grand jury to go to Florida? Tell me those facts so I can trust when you say next he's going to held accountable this way. And let me tell you something. Like, for example, Fauci.
What Fauci looks like he was doing, maybe it was legal. But he got a pardon. So I'm going to ask. I can ask him, what'd you do? And he has to answer. But even more importantly, maybe his chief of staff or one of his lawyers is sitting at home saying we were doing some stuff that wasn't really copacetic. Now a prosecutor can say, look, if I want to get to the truth, I want to know what happened.
What Fauci looks like he was doing, maybe it was legal. But he got a pardon. So I'm going to ask. I can ask him, what'd you do? And he has to answer. But even more importantly, maybe his chief of staff or one of his lawyers is sitting at home saying we were doing some stuff that wasn't really copacetic. Now a prosecutor can say, look, if I want to get to the truth, I want to know what happened.
Maybe I've got to take off the table prosecuting you. So maybe I give immunity to one of those guys and say now, you know, tell me the truth of what's going on. So you're protected. And I think more and more right now, we can't win the fight in the courts fast enough if we are not advocating on the truth. And that's what it means to be focused on weaponization.
Maybe I've got to take off the table prosecuting you. So maybe I give immunity to one of those guys and say now, you know, tell me the truth of what's going on. So you're protected. And I think more and more right now, we can't win the fight in the courts fast enough if we are not advocating on the truth. And that's what it means to be focused on weaponization.
And that's why I'm so excited about what the president wants me to do next.
And that's why I'm so excited about what the president wants me to do next.
Well, it's funny. She's a TV personality, so people may know her on TV, but she had a long career as a lawyer. I mean, she was a prosecutor. She was a judge. I mean, she's somebody who's top shelf. She's a few years older than me, so a little bit more experience, but experience in that field. She's also tough, and she's a great communicator. So I think it's – look –
Well, it's funny. She's a TV personality, so people may know her on TV, but she had a long career as a lawyer. I mean, she was a prosecutor. She was a judge. I mean, she's somebody who's top shelf. She's a few years older than me, so a little bit more experience, but experience in that field. She's also tough, and she's a great communicator. So I think it's – look –
I was worried that the person after me wouldn't be tough enough to keep doing the things I was doing. And then the president told me it's Judge Jeanine Pirro. And I thought, OK, I think they even maybe went above and beyond Ed Martin. So I think she'll be great. I think here's the thing. It's a. It's a huge, huge honor that she would take this position at the point in her life.
I was worried that the person after me wouldn't be tough enough to keep doing the things I was doing. And then the president told me it's Judge Jeanine Pirro. And I thought, OK, I think they even maybe went above and beyond Ed Martin. So I think she'll be great. I think here's the thing. It's a. It's a huge, huge honor that she would take this position at the point in her life.
She's so accomplished. She's so successful. She doesn't need to get down into the nitty-gritty with us, and she's doing it. It's spectacular for America. She'll be awesome.
She's so accomplished. She's so successful. She doesn't need to get down into the nitty-gritty with us, and she's doing it. It's spectacular for America. She'll be awesome.
Well, we've already been working on it. There's something called the Weaponization Working Group that Attorney General Bondi put us on. There's about 15 of us on there. I've been on there with folks working on it. The idea is to look closely at a number of specific instances that we all know about, and then we can look at and say, like, targeting the Catholics, you know, out of Richmond.
Well, we've already been working on it. There's something called the Weaponization Working Group that Attorney General Bondi put us on. There's about 15 of us on there. I've been on there with folks working on it. The idea is to look closely at a number of specific instances that we all know about, and then we can look at and say, like, targeting the Catholics, you know, out of Richmond.
You know, they did that in... And but also saying to the public, where else can we go? And it's so big already. I mean, the work is so big that I think the reason the president said get in charge of that is because we need somebody to actually start to drive this agenda. But look, everywhere you go in this country, if the if the government has weaponized the law against the people, we care.
You know, they did that in... And but also saying to the public, where else can we go? And it's so big already. I mean, the work is so big that I think the reason the president said get in charge of that is because we need somebody to actually start to drive this agenda. But look, everywhere you go in this country, if the if the government has weaponized the law against the people, we care.
It's not just going after Trump. They did go after Trump, right? They did. But they also go after little guys all around the country. And I got somebody that came to me and said, hey, when they leaked Donald Trump's tax returns, they also leaked a bunch of businesses. And it really impacted this guy. Well, that was weaponization. And somebody needs to be held accountable for that.
It's not just going after Trump. They did go after Trump, right? They did. But they also go after little guys all around the country. And I got somebody that came to me and said, hey, when they leaked Donald Trump's tax returns, they also leaked a bunch of businesses. And it really impacted this guy. Well, that was weaponization. And somebody needs to be held accountable for that.
And so we're going to be the place, the tip of the spear for getting clear on what was done to the American people. And then what are we going to do to fix it? So sometimes we're going to fix it by helping people get back up. Other times, hold them accountable by the law.
And so we're going to be the place, the tip of the spear for getting clear on what was done to the American people. And then what are we going to do to fix it? So sometimes we're going to fix it by helping people get back up. Other times, hold them accountable by the law.
Vince, it's a little bit of the same answer earlier. First of all, I'll tell you, as a prosecutor and U.S. attorney, things didn't move fast enough for me, too. Like, I wanted things to move faster, right? We opened an investigation. It seems to take forever. You know, one of the investigations we've reopened and put energy into is the pipe bomber. You know, a pipe bomber, it's insane.
Vince, it's a little bit of the same answer earlier. First of all, I'll tell you, as a prosecutor and U.S. attorney, things didn't move fast enough for me, too. Like, I wanted things to move faster, right? We opened an investigation. It seems to take forever. You know, one of the investigations we've reopened and put energy into is the pipe bomber. You know, a pipe bomber, it's insane.
It's insane that in the greatest country in the world, we have two pipe bombs at our two largest political parties. We don't know who it is. It's insane. And I will say, Bongino and I
It's insane that in the greatest country in the world, we have two pipe bombs at our two largest political parties. We don't know who it is. It's insane. And I will say, Bongino and I
have hyper you know put focus and resources on this and they got a bunch going on but it's insane to me i'm like make it faster fix it tomorrow i'll tell you a quick story when i got in the job i got briefed on something they said we have a spy for china at the fed and i said is this a joke that sounds like i have a movie there's a there's a spy for china at the fed leaking stuff to him and they said we think we might arrest him like six weeks from monday and i was like really can we get him like tomorrow why are we waiting
have hyper you know put focus and resources on this and they got a bunch going on but it's insane to me i'm like make it faster fix it tomorrow i'll tell you a quick story when i got in the job i got briefed on something they said we have a spy for china at the fed and i said is this a joke that sounds like i have a movie there's a there's a spy for china at the fed leaking stuff to him and they said we think we might arrest him like six weeks from monday and i was like really can we get him like tomorrow why are we waiting
Like, isn't there a chance he gets on a plane and goes back to China or goes to China? He wasn't. He's American. And so they arrested him a couple of days later. So one thing we can do is demand speed and we're trying, but it's frustrating. But I'll go back to this. You can only have we we will get beat. by the system that wants us to only litigate and play ball in Article III courts, right?
Like, isn't there a chance he gets on a plane and goes back to China or goes to China? He wasn't. He's American. And so they arrested him a couple of days later. So one thing we can do is demand speed and we're trying, but it's frustrating. But I'll go back to this. You can only have we we will get beat. by the system that wants us to only litigate and play ball in Article III courts, right?
You gotta deal with all these judges and appeals and up and the president, and the president's been clear. He always says we're gonna abide by the rulings and all that. He doesn't. I mean, I might be more frustrated than he was if I was him, but here's the thing. What we got to do is start showing, showing and holding.
You gotta deal with all these judges and appeals and up and the president, and the president's been clear. He always says we're gonna abide by the rulings and all that. He doesn't. I mean, I might be more frustrated than he was if I was him, but here's the thing. What we got to do is start showing, showing and holding.
In other words, I'm going to tell you right now, I'm going to be on your show 20 times and I'm going to say, yeah, we're asking about weaponization because we found this. And I don't care when a prosecutor says, oh, you might be endangering a prosecution. No, that's making me hold the truth. for a time where it won't matter because three and a half years from now, the truth won't matter.
In other words, I'm going to tell you right now, I'm going to be on your show 20 times and I'm going to say, yeah, we're asking about weaponization because we found this. And I don't care when a prosecutor says, oh, you might be endangering a prosecution. No, that's making me hold the truth. for a time where it won't matter because three and a half years from now, the truth won't matter.
You need to know now. You need to know why and now. So I think, again, we're back to this thing. Get the truth, transparency, and then hold accountable prosecutions. But you can't just do prosecutions and wait to tell me the truth because time is passing and people are distrusting and it's not fair. So I know people are frustrated. There will be more.
You need to know now. You need to know why and now. So I think, again, we're back to this thing. Get the truth, transparency, and then hold accountable prosecutions. But you can't just do prosecutions and wait to tell me the truth because time is passing and people are distrusting and it's not fair. So I know people are frustrated. There will be more.
But more importantly, you're going to know more really quickly because I start a week from Monday.
But more importantly, you're going to know more really quickly because I start a week from Monday.
Yeah, when I got this position, I was told by the White House, they said, and you can be out communicating about this in a way that we really need because the weaponization is such a big priority. We've got to get confidence in our system. People got to know. So, yeah, I look forward to it.
Yeah, when I got this position, I was told by the White House, they said, and you can be out communicating about this in a way that we really need because the weaponization is such a big priority. We've got to get confidence in our system. People got to know. So, yeah, I look forward to it.
Thank you, Vince.
Thank you, Vince.
Well, let me say it carefully. The gatekeepers, different characterization of who was using the access, but the gatekeepers were Klain and Anita Dunn and Bob Bauer. And those three were really dominant characters in the White House. Rick Keddie a little bit and obviously Jill, but I think that was the three. Bob? I was with this person and I said, what about Susan Rice?
What about some of these others? And they said, no, this was these were the ones.
or I'm gonna die trying, pipe bomber. As a prosecutor, I've got the pipe bomber case in my office. The FBI, Bongino said to the FBI, change all the agents. Everybody look at it again. It's been going on for about five weeks. It's like Keystone Cops, you know? They didn't interview some of the people that you would have said, that might be a suspect, that hadn't interviewed him.
I mean, so the question becomes, what's happening here? Is it incompetence? It feels worse than incompetence, right? And so that information- It does, it does. What do you think? Well- I think it's worse than incompetence. But I think the only way forward is to not describe what I think of the motives, but to expose over and over again what's happened.
If you expose what's happened and the truth gets out, then accountability is possible. If you don't expose what's happened, the accountability looks like targeting. Right. So you got to do this one to get to this one. And the other side just does this. And then they count on the media to tell us it's OK. We have to do this and this.
And that's my answer to some people that say, what's Dan doing, Bungie? You know, I talk to him every week or so. He's going hammer and tongs at this stuff right here. You can't arrest everybody the first month, but you've got to get this going. And it's a challenge. But I'm glad people are holding us, you know, pushing everybody. It's good, but it's it's harder than it looks. It really is.
Always a pleasure. Great to be with you, Vince. Thanks.
Well, look, I tell people I respect the process, right? The Senate has a particular role. You know, I was appointed by President Trump for 120 day term. It's called at the beginning of the administration. I was for that, by the way. A lot of times a U.S. attorney is nominated and it takes two or three or four months to get in office.
And during that two or three or four months, it's the beginning of a presidency, especially in D.C., And so I said, look, put me in for the 120 day one and I'll either earn the confirmation from the Senate or I'll, you know, find something else to do. And in this case, the president liked what we were doing, the direction he gave us. We were doing well.
And I was nominated and went up to the Senate. Went through the process. You know, Senator Tillis expressed a bunch of reservations during a meeting with me, an hour and a half meeting. Most of the reservations were about January 6th. But I don't really have to I can say I really don't understand substantively why he was, you know, decided he wasn't going to support moving forward.
But that's what he said. And more importantly, I think I could have won nomination. Actually, I could have gone and continued to fight. But President Trump said, hey, look, we got other things we're doing.
Well, I certainly don't understand it. Let's say it that way. I'm not sure I'll characterize it as bizarre, but I didn't understand it. I mean, I spent 90 minutes with him. We talked a lot about January 6th. He was very, very energetic. He had a lot of opinions and I explained mine. I think the job that the president nominated me to do, U.S.
attorney, requires a certain amount of character, a certain amount of ability. I think I have both of those. So Look, at a certain point, you know, Vince, I have the distinction of being like you. I did a lot of talk radio. I said a lot of things about a lot of people, including senators. And for some reason, they didn't want to move forward. And Tom Tillis was the lead guy.
At the end of the day, I'm not going to spend much time worrying about it. We got work to do.
Well, I was surprised in the sense that, you know, my name is Ed Martin and suddenly all these people are putting my name on social media, other places to support me. I wasn't surprised because people believe in Donald Trump. And so they were saying Donald Trump should have his pick for the U.S. attorney in D.C. And so that was gratifying. And I was glad my name was on it.
But it's a little bit like when President Trump said in the Oval Office as he was talking about this, he said, I I like Ed Martin. He's a good guy, all that stuff, which is nice. But he said Ed Martin drove down crime 25%. Well, I didn't really drive down crime. Donald Trump put me in charge and gave us a vision, gave us the resources, and we got it done.
So that's really on him, and it's his deal. So I was excited that people were supporting me because I was with President Trump on these issues and this job, and that was kind of cool.
Yeah, and it was even better than that, to be honest. I mean, what happened, these are nuts and bolts of an office, but, you know, a prosecutor's office, the D.C. office is the greatest in the country because half of it is the local crime. The other half is a big federal district, you know, federal U.S. attorney's office. As to the local crime, we flipped everything on its head.
My predecessor did everything by email. We asked the cops and the prosecutors to get face to face. And when you're face to face, you figure out how to charge these things. You figure out how to manage a case. And so we changed our papering rules. They call it how you charge cases. As you said, we told our prosecutors, you don't get to turn down misdemeanors because you don't like them.
A lot of times prosecutors don't want to be bothered. A misdemeanor is hard to do. You don't get much of a penalty. The juries are hard. No. If somebody breaks a rule, we're going to charge them. We're going to charge them. As John Ashcroft, famous memo, he said, we're going to charge with the most readily provable crime you charge. And so we were doing that. We also changed the rules.
My predecessor did not fight to get assaults on police officers. A lot of times those are misdemeanors. And they say, well, it's too much trouble. No, if you touch a cop in the district, you know, if you spit on a cop, I have some experience now of that. If you do any of those things, you should be charged no matter what the charge is.
And the law officers, the cops said, hey, we can feel you're on our side. So, again, that was the vision the president had. Last one, by the way, if you want to stop violent crime, you can run around and have conversations about lots of things. But the most likely way to slow it is to get people, men mostly, with guns off the streets.
And we targeted the people with guns and we got them off the street. And in two months, and that was March and April, and May's numbers are still climbing, we charged almost as many gun crimes in March and April as my predecessor did all last year, okay? So that's the difference.
And look, if you get a guy with a gun off the streets in D.C., you get somebody off the streets who's probably not going to Boy Scouts, probably not going to be part of the Rotary Club, right? He's doing other things. And so the cascading effect is... is very, very effective. And we were doing that and we'll continue to do it.
Yeah, law enforcement's awesome, right? So very quickly, the Marshal Service as well as the FBI, they got a track of her. And I think if she hasn't been arrested yet, it's any time. I think they know who she is. They know where she lives, what she's about. So, yeah, look, I mean, here's the thing. You know, being spit on is not nice, right?
When she was charging towards me, I thought we were about to have a full-on assault. But I just would say this. She said, are you Ed Martin? And I turned and she said, oh, you are Ed Martin. Now, she wasn't targeting me because I wasn't, you know, kind to her in shop class in high school. I never saw her before. I don't know her. She did it because I was the U.S. attorney. If you hit the U.S.
attorney, if you attack him, if you assault him, just like Judge Boasberg, you know, the conservatives are frustrated with Judge Boasberg, but... I sent Judge Boasberg a letter soon after a lot of the attention. I said, if anyone threatens you or your family, we want to prosecute them to the fullest, not to the most interesting.
No, anything you do because you cannot, you have to raise the cost of being a jerk, even if you think, oh, well, it's not that threatening. Somebody's spitting on me. I didn't feel, well, I did feel like I was being threatened, but maybe, you know, it turned out fine, but you can't allow that. And so they'll get her and she'll be charged.
I answer the second question first by saying I have – well, let me say this. As U.S. attorney, my job is to look at what is going on and to try to assess how we can make things better and enforce the law, but also the policy preferences of this president. President Trump talked about weaponization, talked about anti-Semitism. He has banned DEI, which is really racist and hateful.
So all these preferences as prosecutor, I have an obligation in my mind, but to ask questions when you see these things. Look, Chuck Schumer stood on the steps of the Supreme Court and he said, we will release the whirlwind on you, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh by name. Now, I looked at that and I thought that sounds like a threat. Pretty direct, pretty narrow, pretty clear.
A month later, Kavanaugh's got somebody in front of his house with a gun and zip ties. So you can say, well, what are we doing here? My letter to Schumer was clarify what you're saying, because if you're saying I think you deserve to clarify. And I wanted the public to know I was asking.
And by the way, Schumer did clarify on the floor of the Senate and he backed off and he apologized and all the rest. And he probably didn't. Oh, he didn't, in my estimation, commit a crime. That's why I didn't charge him. But the fact is we have to have public conversations about these horrendous things.
DEI, Georgetown University School of Law, someone came to me and they said they're still pushing the DEI stuff. Georgetown, by the way, the silly dean wrote me back and he said, oh, First Amendment, First Amendment. I didn't say he couldn't do it. Do whatever you want, but don't take federal tax dollars.
If you're going to put it publicly out there that you're doing DEI and doing hate, just like if you're doing anti-Semitism, we're going to say we're not going to send tax dollars your way and we don't have to. So that's what the letters were about. I tell people it's like an iceberg. You're seeing the top third. About two thirds of it was below. Nobody's seen most of the letters I wrote.
As to the Biden letters about the pardon, the question was about the pardons. And to be fair, it wasn't about the auto pen necessarily. It was about we've never seen pardons of the scope. And it looks at least like something that you could be corrupt.
When Bill Clinton pardoned Mark Rich and it turns out that Mark Rich had paid a boatload of money to one of Clinton's friends, the lawyers, that's not corrupt. It's not criminal because the plenary power of the pardon. But in the case of Joe Biden and his pardons, they were so specific. Back 14 years, covering everything you've ever done.
I mean, when I say specific, they were broad, but they had time stuff on them. It was very – and that – Least leads to questions because the plenary power is true, but the question is what was going on here? And I did get responses from some of them, and those things are ongoing.
Well, first of all, the most glaring example of weaponization of government that we've probably ever seen is, at least in terms of numbers, is the January 6th use of the 1512 charge. The 1512 charge was written 20 years ago to deal with evidence, destruction of evidence, physical evidence,
A guy named Andrew Weissman tried to use the 1512 during the Mueller investigation on Donald Trump to claim that the 1512 charge, which refers to obstruction of an official proceeding, but it refers to evidence destruction.
In other words, the official proceeding ongoing at the time the law was written was when they had Arthur Anderson was destroying documents because there was an investigation at Enron. And the idea was, wait a second, if you know there's an investigation, official proceeding, you shouldn't be destroying things, Arthur Anderson. That's why it was written.
Well, the 1512 charge was then used against hundreds and hundreds of Americans, and a bipartisan Supreme Court threw it out. People spent years in jail, some of them over a year in solitary confinement, having walked through the Capitol because of the 1512. That's weaponization. That's the use of the law against individuals in a very specific way.
And my office, where I am, is the one that did that. So I've been investigating why they do that. Who made the 1512 call? You know, how did you make that decision? That's an example. You can't really weaponize the law only by the FBI. When the FBI was abusing the Catholics, they made a list, you know, target the Catholics. That's the beginning of the abuse.
The further abuse is when you use the prosecutor because you got to. grand jury and you subpoena people and you look at their records. And that's in, again, a prosecutor's office. The surveillance of people under FISA, the FISA is, of course, secret and it's in D.C. But our office is butting up against that. And some of that's classified.
So it's hard to talk about to you on the on the on the TV right now. But this is all the use of government against individuals and discovering how they're doing it. is an ongoing process. And again, this office is one of the places where you needed the tool, meaning the prosecutor's office, to abuse people. And so that's why we're digging into it.
And I think we're going to see more and more, well, I'm going to be a part of it, uncovering broadly how the weaponization has impacted people. You know, Jack Smith, how he was using, Jack Smith used the grand jury in D.C., friendly grand jury, to get lots of information. And then he went down to Florida and, to move the case against Trump. That's weaponization.
That's the use of the government, the law against individuals in ways that we haven't seen done before. And again, maybe it's not criminal. I don't know, but we're going to find out.
Yes. Yes, it could. Yes, it could. Certainly could. Look, Vince, I'll tell you something I've talked a lot about recently, and I want to say to your viewers. Justice right now requires two things. It requires the truth, transparency, and then accountability by prosecution, in my opinion. In other words, right now, all of us in this country do not trust the government so much.
We're in the opposite. We're in the anti-Reagan moment. When Reagan said trust and verify, we're in the distrust and verify. Starting point is I distrust the government. And so if I said tomorrow, hey, Vince, I'm going to prosecute so-and-so, you should say, I don't trust you. I don't trust anybody. Is that weaponization?
So what you have to do first to get real justice right now is be transparent. Get the truth out. Tell me what actually happened. What was Jack Smith doing when he shopped the grand jury to go to Florida? Tell me those facts so I can trust when you say next he's going to held accountable this way. And let me tell you something. Like, for example, Fauci.
What Fauci looks like he was doing, maybe it was legal. But he got a pardon. So I'm going to ask. I can ask him, what'd you do? And he has to answer. But even more importantly, maybe his chief of staff or one of his lawyers is sitting at home saying we were doing some stuff that wasn't really copacetic. Now a prosecutor can say, look, if I want to get to the truth, I want to know what happened.
Maybe I've got to take off the table prosecuting you. So maybe I give immunity to one of those guys and say now, you know, tell me the truth of what's going on. So you're protected. And I think more and more right now, we can't win the fight in the courts fast enough if we are not advocating on the truth. And that's what it means to be focused on weaponization.
And that's why I'm so excited about what the president wants me to do next.
Well, it's funny. She's a TV personality, so people may know her on TV, but she had a long career as a lawyer. I mean, she was a prosecutor. She was a judge. I mean, she's somebody who's top shelf. She's a few years older than me, so a little bit more experience, but experience in that field. She's also tough, and she's a great communicator. So I think it's – look –
I was worried that the person after me wouldn't be tough enough to keep doing the things I was doing. And then the president told me it's Judge Jeanine Pirro. And I thought, OK, I think they even maybe went above and beyond Ed Martin. So I think she'll be great. I think here's the thing. It's a. It's a huge, huge honor that she would take this position at the point in her life.
She's so accomplished. She's so successful. She doesn't need to get down into the nitty-gritty with us, and she's doing it. It's spectacular for America. She'll be awesome.
Well, we've already been working on it. There's something called the Weaponization Working Group that Attorney General Bondi put us on. There's about 15 of us on there. I've been on there with folks working on it. The idea is to look closely at a number of specific instances that we all know about, and then we can look at and say, like, targeting the Catholics, you know, out of Richmond.
You know, they did that in... And but also saying to the public, where else can we go? And it's so big already. I mean, the work is so big that I think the reason the president said get in charge of that is because we need somebody to actually start to drive this agenda. But look, everywhere you go in this country, if the if the government has weaponized the law against the people, we care.
It's not just going after Trump. They did go after Trump, right? They did. But they also go after little guys all around the country. And I got somebody that came to me and said, hey, when they leaked Donald Trump's tax returns, they also leaked a bunch of businesses. And it really impacted this guy. Well, that was weaponization. And somebody needs to be held accountable for that.
And so we're going to be the place, the tip of the spear for getting clear on what was done to the American people. And then what are we going to do to fix it? So sometimes we're going to fix it by helping people get back up. Other times, hold them accountable by the law.
Vince, it's a little bit of the same answer earlier. First of all, I'll tell you, as a prosecutor and U.S. attorney, things didn't move fast enough for me, too. Like, I wanted things to move faster, right? We opened an investigation. It seems to take forever. You know, one of the investigations we've reopened and put energy into is the pipe bomber. You know, a pipe bomber, it's insane.
It's insane that in the greatest country in the world, we have two pipe bombs at our two largest political parties. We don't know who it is. It's insane. And I will say, Bongino and I
have hyper you know put focus and resources on this and they got a bunch going on but it's insane to me i'm like make it faster fix it tomorrow i'll tell you a quick story when i got in the job i got briefed on something they said we have a spy for china at the fed and i said is this a joke that sounds like i have a movie there's a there's a spy for china at the fed leaking stuff to him and they said we think we might arrest him like six weeks from monday and i was like really can we get him like tomorrow why are we waiting
Like, isn't there a chance he gets on a plane and goes back to China or goes to China? He wasn't. He's American. And so they arrested him a couple of days later. So one thing we can do is demand speed and we're trying, but it's frustrating. But I'll go back to this. You can only have we we will get beat. by the system that wants us to only litigate and play ball in Article III courts, right?
You gotta deal with all these judges and appeals and up and the president, and the president's been clear. He always says we're gonna abide by the rulings and all that. He doesn't. I mean, I might be more frustrated than he was if I was him, but here's the thing. What we got to do is start showing, showing and holding.
In other words, I'm going to tell you right now, I'm going to be on your show 20 times and I'm going to say, yeah, we're asking about weaponization because we found this. And I don't care when a prosecutor says, oh, you might be endangering a prosecution. No, that's making me hold the truth. for a time where it won't matter because three and a half years from now, the truth won't matter.
You need to know now. You need to know why and now. So I think, again, we're back to this thing. Get the truth, transparency, and then hold accountable prosecutions. But you can't just do prosecutions and wait to tell me the truth because time is passing and people are distrusting and it's not fair. So I know people are frustrated. There will be more.
But more importantly, you're going to know more really quickly because I start a week from Monday.
Yeah, when I got this position, I was told by the White House, they said, and you can be out communicating about this in a way that we really need because the weaponization is such a big priority. We've got to get confidence in our system. People got to know. So, yeah, I look forward to it.
Thank you, Vince.
It's not been charged.
This is there is a path. The U.S. House could use its power. They could grant immunity to witnesses to bring them in. They could redo the select committee's fake hearings, fake report. All the fake that they did, they could do now and bring it flooding forth. They could find out who the pipe bomber really is. That's known by somebody.
The pipe bomber who left a bomb in front of the Democrat headquarters and the Republican headquarters at 6 o'clock on January 5th. And at 1 o'clock on January 6th, the two pipe bombs were discovered and became a predicate for locking down everything. Here's my point. The Democrats are doing something systematically. It's not accidental. Byron Donalds, the congressman, is right.
It should be charged under RICO. It's a conspiracy. But the Republicans, in order to prove that, they have to go back and break down January 6th. And they have the power to do it.
Here's that they're telling us the truth. But here's what I'd say. If the FBI really can't find out what happened, it's because somebody more power, either the FBI is corrupt, which I'm not willing to say yet, or someone bigger than the FBI has made it so they can't figure it out. Think about that.